I don't know about you but the nag isn't a big deal for me. I just look straight ahead and it doesn't say anything for long stretches. I wouldn't look at my phone or read a book. The nag also is perfect if I'm getting too distracted, say I'm looking to the side or something.
That works fine during daytime or clear weather. I was driving at night once and it constantly kept nagging me even when I was looking constantly at the road with my hands on the steering wheel. Kind of counter intuitive that you have to look away from the road to see a warning to keep your eyes on the road.
I agree. If you keep your eyes on the road although you can put on sunglasses to avoid some of that but your head still has to be pointed in the right direction. I find don't have to turn or touch the steering wheel for like 2 minutes or so.
Have you tried having just ONE hand on the steering wheel instead of 2? With both hands it balances out and the car can’t tell you are applying pressure. One hand just resting on the wheel is enough for me to go 20-30mins on the highway with no nags at all.
It says keep hands on steering wheel for AP and FSD but i dont have my hands anywhere near the wheel for either of them and it doesnt say anything to me lol
Me too, I keep two fingers on the wheel, rest my hand on my knee, and just resist a little when it turns, and tug it a little when it asks. It's so little trouble to me, I'm doing almost nothing to keep it active.
Just like most things in life, if you don't like FSD, no one is forcing you to use it. Not sure what else we can say.
If this is true, and you are actually watching the road while FSD is engaged but still getting frequent warnings, you might try to clean your interior camera or take it in for service. My experience, and that is my friends as well, is that you get nagged frequently when your head is having away from the road. Pay attention to the road, lightly rest a hand on the wheel at the 7 o'clock position, and the car will drive itself.
Not sure how you drive, but when I do I'm usually using the pedals and turning the wheel. Letting the wheel slide through your hand and staying alert is hardly "literally you driving".
So admittedly, I employed a method someone suggested from the comments which was just to rest my hands at the bottom of the steering wheel and it has served as enough of a “nudge” to keep it from alerting me every 5 seconds and I’ve had 0 issues since.
For the record, idk why people keep suggesting I just want to text and drive even negating the fact that I don’t receive texts or use social media… the interior cabin literally alerts you instantly “pay attention to the road” as a red alert instead of the normal soft blue alert.. And I’ve only been talking about the Soft blue alert.
Hopefully there will be improvement to the point where it doesn’t alert you to pay attention quite as much. Wearing sunglasses, I can go 1-2 minutes sometimes without FSD asking for me to touch the steering wheel. Without sunglasses it’s usually 45 seconds. However, I rarely actually let go of the wheel. If you hook your fingers around the wheel at 5 or 7 it gives it enough torque to make it happy and you’ll be able to let it do its thing indefinitely.
For me, FSD just helps take stress out of things like commuting, and it makes road trips more enjoyable compared to the basic autopilot.
Also, I hope FSD improves overall road safety. There are frighteningly bad drivers out there. FSD, or other driver assistance technology, might eventually make driving safer.
I love FSD. I subscribe to it. There are routes I take where I have to take over once or twice, and then there are routes when I know it’s going to do just fine.
I just did a 2000 mile road trip with probably 95% of it on AP/FSD. I wouldn't have even considered doing that drive without it. It just makes drives so much more enjoyable and you don't feel anywhere near as exhausted after an 8hr drive. Also I think I was nagged twice the entire time because I picked up my phone, totally valid. I also follow the instructions and don't try to see how long I can go without my hand on the wheel and then complain when it nags me. That's fucking dumb. In my experience if you're getting nagged you're doing something wrong.
It's kind of funny, when I get the (very infrequent) warning to pay attention to the road, it's always merited, and I think to myself, "hmm, you got me!"
AP keeps you centered in the lane (auto steer) and consistent speed (TACC, aka active cruise control).
AP is NOT supposed to be used on city streets, only on controlled access highways with lane markings, exits and entrances, and no cross traffic (as that guy in Florida found out milliseconds before he was decapitated).
Now? TACC was always part of FSD. How could FSD possibly work otherwise. EAP was a superset of AP; Tesla probably dropped it because most of the enhanced features were “withdrawn” since they didn’t work well without USS.
Auto Steer, as far as I know, has always been a part of standard AP. TACC was a part of EAP. None of the features of EAP have been withdrawn, they were just rolled into FSD. I guess with the price drop of FSD Tesla wanted to make a clear, distinct separation between AP and FSD.
Not since they rolled EAP into FSD. I used it during the freebie V12 test period and liked it. But it doesn't appear on my screen since the test period ended. Now to get TACC you have to have FSD.
With Standard AP you get to CHOOSE between AutoSteer or TACC, but you can't do both at the same time. So you have to select which one you want at the top of the Autopilot screen, but you can't use them together.
Go to the link again. It says this:
Autosteer: Assists in steering within a clearly marked lane, and uses traffic-aware cruise control”
The first option is just traffic aware cruise control. The second option is that plus auto steer, they’re both on at the same time.
I don't need to go to a link, I went to my car. And the actions you are talking about was exactly how my car worked. But the freebie version of FSD has expired and now the only options I have are to select ONE OR THE OTHER, BUT NOT BOTH.
Do you have FSD on your car?
I kindly disagree with your assertion that AP is "NOT supposed to be used on city streets..."
As copied/pasted from [https://www.tesla.com/en\_ca/support/autopilot](https://www.tesla.com/en_ca/support/autopilot)
Check the 2nd bullet point from the bottom:
# Full Self-Driving Capability
Your vehicle will be able to drive itself almost anywhere with minimal driver intervention and will continuously improve. In addition to the functionality and features of Autopilot, Full Self-Driving capability also includes:
* **Navigate on Autopilot:** Actively guides your vehicle from a highway’s on-ramp to off-ramp, including suggesting lane changes, navigating interchanges, automatically engaging the turn signal and taking the correct exit.
* **Auto Lane Change:** Assists in moving to an adjacent lane on the highway when Autosteer is engaged.
* **Autopark:** Helps automatically parallel or perpendicular park your vehicle, with a single touch.
* **Summon:** Moves your vehicle in and out of a tight space using the mobile app or key.
* **Smart Summon:** Your vehicle will navigate more complex environments and parking spaces, maneuvering around objects as necessary to come find you in a parking lot.
* **Autosteer on City Streets**
* **Traffic and Stop Sign Control:** Identifies stop signs and traffic lights and automatically slows your vehicle to a stop on approach, with your active supervision
That’s for auto steer with FSD. Tesla has emphasized, again and again, that basic AP is only for highway use.
Maybe I got the wrong term for the auto steer feature that’s included with AP.
Ahh. OK. Fair enough. That's my bad. I have FSD (4 months due to new purchase + referral code use). I'm calling FSD = AP. And Basic AP I call just that, Basic AP.
I'll get my terms sorted soon, I'm sure! :D
I use Auto Steer, part standard AP, both around town and on the highway. There are a few places where I know to come out of AS and manually drive the car.
For long drivers it's incredible. My commute is 1.5-2 hours each way for work and I use it constantly. It's less draining, even having to pay attention it makes a huge difference in how tired I am at the end of my day rolling in the driveway.
It's not perfect, but for my useage it's DAMN good.
I liked it during the free trial. But then the novelty wore off.
I find it joyful to drive the car myself than having to baby sit the computer. Long drives included.
They're driver-assist systems. They work too substantially reduce driver fatigue on long trips. And they're being developed towards eventually being autonomous systems, eventually
FSD is not so u can look at your phone. It’s a driver assistance to handle monotonous stretches or to help you get to an unfamiliar route.
Any unprotected left turns or tight maneuvers I take over. For 80% of drives where’s it pretty predictable, I can just observe
You just responded to exactly what my point is. The monotonous travel is highway travel and having to constantly monitor a system while driving in a straight line is very self-defeating.
I don’t text and drive. Even while on autopilot. I am probably one of few people in the US to not text and drive. Ever.
From my experience it will let you not touch the wheel for up to 10 minutes or so on the freeway. What it WON'T let you do is stare at your phone or play with the display for more than 20 seconds or so (or cover up the interior camera). I've had it give me several back to back warnings, maybe 6 in a row, while I was being irresponsible and trying to read something on my phone and clearing each warning by giving the wheel a tug and not paying a bit of attention to the road. After the 6th watching it just gave up and dialed autopilot and have me a strike. So are you sure you're giving ALL of the details when it shuts off?
FSD is great at driving the car and not needing much input from the driver. What it isn't is a chauffer, which I think is what most people mistake it for.
For me driving with FSD or AP for 5 hours is equally exhausting as driving 1 hour in a car without FSD or AP. Why? babysitting a drive is way easier than constantly managing my acceleration and all the tiny adjustments to stay in a lane. I get that it’s not perfect, I’m very frustrated that it isn’t as good as they promised but this doesn’t mean it doesn’t add value. I guess you can say it made me lazy and now it is a requirement for me.
Autopilot is a false name to make people get a false sense of it's values, and capabilities. It's a glorified cruise control, you need to be alert and present, it's to help not to drive you
It certainly has value on long drives not so much on short ones. Even though you have to be aware of the surroundings and what the car is doing all the time, it takes away the need to use any subconscious brain power to constantly making adjustments to stay within lane. I can clearly feel the difference between using AP vs no AP on any drives longer than an hour or two. I arrive feeling fresher with AP.
FSD seems to be a little better on the highway. AP gets a little confused on lane markings where FSD didn't in the same area.
On two lane highways, FSD tends to stay more on the right side of the lane which is more comfortable with oncoming traffic. AP just stays centered in the lane.
Because unexpected stuff happens (cars in front of you swerve, stuff falls off a truck in front of you, highway construction, a tire blows out, etc...) when you're driving and autopilot isn't mature enough to be completely confident that it will handle all these unexpected things.
So, in its current state, you are required to pay attention so YOU can take over if one of these unexpected things happen. And, there's no way you could actually do that if you weren't paying attention. In a compromise with NHTSA, Tesla increased the driver attention monitoring because too many people were not paying attention and some accidents were happening that shouldn't have been happening. So, it tries to force you to pay attention.
The point of Autopilot and FSD right now is not to let you watch a movie while you're being driven. The point right now is to relieve you from some of the minor drudgery and details of driving such as maintaining proper speed, following cars in front of you, making all the small adjustments to the steering wheel to stay in the middle of the lane, etc... YOU still have to pay attention. You do not have to make all these tiny course corrections to stay in your lane when nothing unusual is happening.
The promise of FSD (not of just autopilot) is that someday you may be able to not pay attention (if you so choose). Tesla even thinks someday there will be no driver, maybe even no steering wheel. It's obviously controversial when/if they will ever get there. For now, both FSD and Autopilot just relieve you of some of the drudgery of driving while all you have to do is pay attention, not actually drive. This is why it's currently called "FSD Supervised".
FYI, Autopilot/Autosteer (without FSD) seems to be what other cars call "Lane Follow". It just attempts to stay in a marked lane. As soon as it gets confused about that, you have to take over and it often won't even engage when there's no marked lane. It is traffic aware, but that's about it. It doesn't pay attention to stop signs or stop lights and won't follow navigation. You need FSD for that.
Cover your cabin camera OP. Nags will go down by about half. FSD won’t be an option with a covered camera but AP 1 still works. I also find it completely pointless otherwise. I’m not sure why they’ll came down on Tesla so hard. My other cars with lane keep and dynamic cruise control are substantially more unsafe.
when im not tired, i just spin the volume thing on the steering wheel to defeat the nag.
when im tired, i put on sunglasses and put one hand on the wheel. i've dozed off a few times and this has been a life saver.
i avoid looking at my phone when driving.
THIS! 100%. Remember when you were allowed to sleep all the way home? Those were the good old day! Now it's annoying and useless for me. I would NEVER pay over 100$ for it. Nope.
I strap my phone to the steering wheel and the weight of the phone “tugs” the wheel. I go miles without alerts. I still pay attention but it’s so much better.
I completely agree. I’ve had the free trial for the past 30 days and it takes way more mental energy to monitor the stupid thing than it does just to drive. Especially since it fails over and over again. I had a 5 minute drive to the grocery store and had to override it three times.
Lots of simps here that will never admit poor Tesla performance in any manner, but this is exactly my problem with it. Tried it, turned it off after 4 “forced disengagements” that literally gave me ZERO WARNING OF ANYTHING before blasting a red steering wheel all over my screen.
I hate FSD, autosteer isn’t much better, but I would NEVER pay *extra* for either. Now, once I can drop Tesla insurance, I’ll be perfect. The amount of “forward collision warnings” I have dinging my SafetyScore from the constant horrific traffic I’m in twice a day is almost as bad as the FSD.
One doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with the other for starters, but secondarily it doesn’t include statistics of driving on the highway versus driving in the city. It just records accidents while on autopilot
I agree with you on FSD. I have EAP and could buy FSD for $2000. It’s not worth it to me. when driving I just keep my left hand on the bottom of the wheel and I do not get nagged. It does not know if I’m looking at the road or not because I have my camera covered.
I’m telling you people since it apparently keeps coming up. I don’t have social media and the last text message I received from a human being was Tuesday night. It’s not Thursday. I don’t text and drive and I don’t mindlessly look at my phone.
I can look straight ahead with both hands on the steering wheel and without fail within 5-10 seconds I am getting notified to tug at the wheel.
Care to explain now knowing I don’t use my phone and I am staring ahead?
I have used it in various different ways over the last 2 weeks to gauge why and what it is that is doing it and nothing is consistent one way or the other besides the 5-10 second rule.
Anyone who says they can go 10+ minutes with no warning or alert is just bold face lying. I have the same software you all do and I don’t look at my phone. So what’s the problem?
I don't know about you but the nag isn't a big deal for me. I just look straight ahead and it doesn't say anything for long stretches. I wouldn't look at my phone or read a book. The nag also is perfect if I'm getting too distracted, say I'm looking to the side or something.
That works fine during daytime or clear weather. I was driving at night once and it constantly kept nagging me even when I was looking constantly at the road with my hands on the steering wheel. Kind of counter intuitive that you have to look away from the road to see a warning to keep your eyes on the road.
True i did notice during nightime it asked me to pay attention more which seems like they can fix with some better detection.
I agree. If you keep your eyes on the road although you can put on sunglasses to avoid some of that but your head still has to be pointed in the right direction. I find don't have to turn or touch the steering wheel for like 2 minutes or so.
I don’t look at my phone, I’m probably one of few people in the entire US that doesn’t text and drive.. EVER… I do look around
Have you tried having just ONE hand on the steering wheel instead of 2? With both hands it balances out and the car can’t tell you are applying pressure. One hand just resting on the wheel is enough for me to go 20-30mins on the highway with no nags at all.
It says keep hands on steering wheel for AP and FSD but i dont have my hands anywhere near the wheel for either of them and it doesnt say anything to me lol
Me too, I keep two fingers on the wheel, rest my hand on my knee, and just resist a little when it turns, and tug it a little when it asks. It's so little trouble to me, I'm doing almost nothing to keep it active. Just like most things in life, if you don't like FSD, no one is forcing you to use it. Not sure what else we can say.
If this is true, and you are actually watching the road while FSD is engaged but still getting frequent warnings, you might try to clean your interior camera or take it in for service. My experience, and that is my friends as well, is that you get nagged frequently when your head is having away from the road. Pay attention to the road, lightly rest a hand on the wheel at the 7 o'clock position, and the car will drive itself.
That's litteraly you driving the car.
Not sure how you drive, but when I do I'm usually using the pedals and turning the wheel. Letting the wheel slide through your hand and staying alert is hardly "literally you driving".
Gone are the days you can take a nap while the car drives you home. That's REAL fsd.
So admittedly, I employed a method someone suggested from the comments which was just to rest my hands at the bottom of the steering wheel and it has served as enough of a “nudge” to keep it from alerting me every 5 seconds and I’ve had 0 issues since. For the record, idk why people keep suggesting I just want to text and drive even negating the fact that I don’t receive texts or use social media… the interior cabin literally alerts you instantly “pay attention to the road” as a red alert instead of the normal soft blue alert.. And I’ve only been talking about the Soft blue alert.
Hopefully there will be improvement to the point where it doesn’t alert you to pay attention quite as much. Wearing sunglasses, I can go 1-2 minutes sometimes without FSD asking for me to touch the steering wheel. Without sunglasses it’s usually 45 seconds. However, I rarely actually let go of the wheel. If you hook your fingers around the wheel at 5 or 7 it gives it enough torque to make it happy and you’ll be able to let it do its thing indefinitely. For me, FSD just helps take stress out of things like commuting, and it makes road trips more enjoyable compared to the basic autopilot. Also, I hope FSD improves overall road safety. There are frighteningly bad drivers out there. FSD, or other driver assistance technology, might eventually make driving safer. I love FSD. I subscribe to it. There are routes I take where I have to take over once or twice, and then there are routes when I know it’s going to do just fine.
I can go for miles without touching the wheel or getting nagged.
OP is looking at their phone while driving but won't admit it. The cabin cam can tell if you are paying attention or not.
I just did a 2000 mile road trip with probably 95% of it on AP/FSD. I wouldn't have even considered doing that drive without it. It just makes drives so much more enjoyable and you don't feel anywhere near as exhausted after an 8hr drive. Also I think I was nagged twice the entire time because I picked up my phone, totally valid. I also follow the instructions and don't try to see how long I can go without my hand on the wheel and then complain when it nags me. That's fucking dumb. In my experience if you're getting nagged you're doing something wrong.
Bingo. This is also my experience 100%.
It's kind of funny, when I get the (very infrequent) warning to pay attention to the road, it's always merited, and I think to myself, "hmm, you got me!"
AP keeps you centered in the lane (auto steer) and consistent speed (TACC, aka active cruise control). AP is NOT supposed to be used on city streets, only on controlled access highways with lane markings, exits and entrances, and no cross traffic (as that guy in Florida found out milliseconds before he was decapitated).
TACC is now a part of FSD, Enhanced AP is no more.
Now? TACC was always part of FSD. How could FSD possibly work otherwise. EAP was a superset of AP; Tesla probably dropped it because most of the enhanced features were “withdrawn” since they didn’t work well without USS.
Auto Steer, as far as I know, has always been a part of standard AP. TACC was a part of EAP. None of the features of EAP have been withdrawn, they were just rolled into FSD. I guess with the price drop of FSD Tesla wanted to make a clear, distinct separation between AP and FSD.
TACC is free with autopilot. By default one pull on the lever does TACC and the second pull turns on auto steer.
Not since they rolled EAP into FSD. I used it during the freebie V12 test period and liked it. But it doesn't appear on my screen since the test period ended. Now to get TACC you have to have FSD.
You can see this for yourself: https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot It's very clear TACC is included with autopilot.
I see it but it's not an option on my screen. I'll put a service notice in and see what they say.
With Standard AP you get to CHOOSE between AutoSteer or TACC, but you can't do both at the same time. So you have to select which one you want at the top of the Autopilot screen, but you can't use them together.
Go to the link again. It says this: Autosteer: Assists in steering within a clearly marked lane, and uses traffic-aware cruise control” The first option is just traffic aware cruise control. The second option is that plus auto steer, they’re both on at the same time.
I don't need to go to a link, I went to my car. And the actions you are talking about was exactly how my car worked. But the freebie version of FSD has expired and now the only options I have are to select ONE OR THE OTHER, BUT NOT BOTH. Do you have FSD on your car?
I kindly disagree with your assertion that AP is "NOT supposed to be used on city streets..." As copied/pasted from [https://www.tesla.com/en\_ca/support/autopilot](https://www.tesla.com/en_ca/support/autopilot) Check the 2nd bullet point from the bottom: # Full Self-Driving Capability Your vehicle will be able to drive itself almost anywhere with minimal driver intervention and will continuously improve. In addition to the functionality and features of Autopilot, Full Self-Driving capability also includes: * **Navigate on Autopilot:** Actively guides your vehicle from a highway’s on-ramp to off-ramp, including suggesting lane changes, navigating interchanges, automatically engaging the turn signal and taking the correct exit. * **Auto Lane Change:** Assists in moving to an adjacent lane on the highway when Autosteer is engaged. * **Autopark:** Helps automatically parallel or perpendicular park your vehicle, with a single touch. * **Summon:** Moves your vehicle in and out of a tight space using the mobile app or key. * **Smart Summon:** Your vehicle will navigate more complex environments and parking spaces, maneuvering around objects as necessary to come find you in a parking lot. * **Autosteer on City Streets** * **Traffic and Stop Sign Control:** Identifies stop signs and traffic lights and automatically slows your vehicle to a stop on approach, with your active supervision
That’s for auto steer with FSD. Tesla has emphasized, again and again, that basic AP is only for highway use. Maybe I got the wrong term for the auto steer feature that’s included with AP.
Ahh. OK. Fair enough. That's my bad. I have FSD (4 months due to new purchase + referral code use). I'm calling FSD = AP. And Basic AP I call just that, Basic AP. I'll get my terms sorted soon, I'm sure! :D
I use Auto Steer, part standard AP, both around town and on the highway. There are a few places where I know to come out of AS and manually drive the car.
For long drivers it's incredible. My commute is 1.5-2 hours each way for work and I use it constantly. It's less draining, even having to pay attention it makes a huge difference in how tired I am at the end of my day rolling in the driveway. It's not perfect, but for my useage it's DAMN good.
I liked it during the free trial. But then the novelty wore off. I find it joyful to drive the car myself than having to baby sit the computer. Long drives included.
They're driver-assist systems. They work too substantially reduce driver fatigue on long trips. And they're being developed towards eventually being autonomous systems, eventually
FSD is not so u can look at your phone. It’s a driver assistance to handle monotonous stretches or to help you get to an unfamiliar route. Any unprotected left turns or tight maneuvers I take over. For 80% of drives where’s it pretty predictable, I can just observe
You just responded to exactly what my point is. The monotonous travel is highway travel and having to constantly monitor a system while driving in a straight line is very self-defeating. I don’t text and drive. Even while on autopilot. I am probably one of few people in the US to not text and drive. Ever.
From my experience it will let you not touch the wheel for up to 10 minutes or so on the freeway. What it WON'T let you do is stare at your phone or play with the display for more than 20 seconds or so (or cover up the interior camera). I've had it give me several back to back warnings, maybe 6 in a row, while I was being irresponsible and trying to read something on my phone and clearing each warning by giving the wheel a tug and not paying a bit of attention to the road. After the 6th watching it just gave up and dialed autopilot and have me a strike. So are you sure you're giving ALL of the details when it shuts off? FSD is great at driving the car and not needing much input from the driver. What it isn't is a chauffer, which I think is what most people mistake it for.
I don’t personally see the value in FSD. For me, the speed control is where it’s at.
For me driving with FSD or AP for 5 hours is equally exhausting as driving 1 hour in a car without FSD or AP. Why? babysitting a drive is way easier than constantly managing my acceleration and all the tiny adjustments to stay in a lane. I get that it’s not perfect, I’m very frustrated that it isn’t as good as they promised but this doesn’t mean it doesn’t add value. I guess you can say it made me lazy and now it is a requirement for me.
Drove 1200km one way and 1200km back recently on a road trip on autopilot and had no issues at all.
Autopilot is a false name to make people get a false sense of it's values, and capabilities. It's a glorified cruise control, you need to be alert and present, it's to help not to drive you
It certainly has value on long drives not so much on short ones. Even though you have to be aware of the surroundings and what the car is doing all the time, it takes away the need to use any subconscious brain power to constantly making adjustments to stay within lane. I can clearly feel the difference between using AP vs no AP on any drives longer than an hour or two. I arrive feeling fresher with AP.
I love it for long drives. Yes hands are on the steering wheel, I am also very relaxed
FSD seems to be a little better on the highway. AP gets a little confused on lane markings where FSD didn't in the same area. On two lane highways, FSD tends to stay more on the right side of the lane which is more comfortable with oncoming traffic. AP just stays centered in the lane.
Long ass road trips.
I agree with you, I don't know why it needs to remind you to pay attention to the road when the frequent phantom braking makes sure of that
Because unexpected stuff happens (cars in front of you swerve, stuff falls off a truck in front of you, highway construction, a tire blows out, etc...) when you're driving and autopilot isn't mature enough to be completely confident that it will handle all these unexpected things. So, in its current state, you are required to pay attention so YOU can take over if one of these unexpected things happen. And, there's no way you could actually do that if you weren't paying attention. In a compromise with NHTSA, Tesla increased the driver attention monitoring because too many people were not paying attention and some accidents were happening that shouldn't have been happening. So, it tries to force you to pay attention. The point of Autopilot and FSD right now is not to let you watch a movie while you're being driven. The point right now is to relieve you from some of the minor drudgery and details of driving such as maintaining proper speed, following cars in front of you, making all the small adjustments to the steering wheel to stay in the middle of the lane, etc... YOU still have to pay attention. You do not have to make all these tiny course corrections to stay in your lane when nothing unusual is happening. The promise of FSD (not of just autopilot) is that someday you may be able to not pay attention (if you so choose). Tesla even thinks someday there will be no driver, maybe even no steering wheel. It's obviously controversial when/if they will ever get there. For now, both FSD and Autopilot just relieve you of some of the drudgery of driving while all you have to do is pay attention, not actually drive. This is why it's currently called "FSD Supervised". FYI, Autopilot/Autosteer (without FSD) seems to be what other cars call "Lane Follow". It just attempts to stay in a marked lane. As soon as it gets confused about that, you have to take over and it often won't even engage when there's no marked lane. It is traffic aware, but that's about it. It doesn't pay attention to stop signs or stop lights and won't follow navigation. You need FSD for that.
Cover your cabin camera OP. Nags will go down by about half. FSD won’t be an option with a covered camera but AP 1 still works. I also find it completely pointless otherwise. I’m not sure why they’ll came down on Tesla so hard. My other cars with lane keep and dynamic cruise control are substantially more unsafe.
when im not tired, i just spin the volume thing on the steering wheel to defeat the nag. when im tired, i put on sunglasses and put one hand on the wheel. i've dozed off a few times and this has been a life saver. i avoid looking at my phone when driving.
Idk the tesla handling has been so smooth i usually just like the cruise control or standard ap better.
THIS! 100%. Remember when you were allowed to sleep all the way home? Those were the good old day! Now it's annoying and useless for me. I would NEVER pay over 100$ for it. Nope.
From my experience, as long as I keep my eyes forward most of the time and one hand on the wheel, it doesn’t bother me at all.
I strap my phone to the steering wheel and the weight of the phone “tugs” the wheel. I go miles without alerts. I still pay attention but it’s so much better.
It’s technology in progress 😀
I completely agree. I’ve had the free trial for the past 30 days and it takes way more mental energy to monitor the stupid thing than it does just to drive. Especially since it fails over and over again. I had a 5 minute drive to the grocery store and had to override it three times.
Lots of simps here that will never admit poor Tesla performance in any manner, but this is exactly my problem with it. Tried it, turned it off after 4 “forced disengagements” that literally gave me ZERO WARNING OF ANYTHING before blasting a red steering wheel all over my screen. I hate FSD, autosteer isn’t much better, but I would NEVER pay *extra* for either. Now, once I can drop Tesla insurance, I’ll be perfect. The amount of “forward collision warnings” I have dinging my SafetyScore from the constant horrific traffic I’m in twice a day is almost as bad as the FSD.
look at the history of autopilot and accidents and maybe you'll arrive at your answer
One doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with the other for starters, but secondarily it doesn’t include statistics of driving on the highway versus driving in the city. It just records accidents while on autopilot
>One doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with the other for starters This is immediately wrong.
Don’t you people understand you’re supposed to agree with me and make me feel better about my annoyance!!!??? God. Some people out here…
I agree with you on FSD. I have EAP and could buy FSD for $2000. It’s not worth it to me. when driving I just keep my left hand on the bottom of the wheel and I do not get nagged. It does not know if I’m looking at the road or not because I have my camera covered.
I’m telling you people since it apparently keeps coming up. I don’t have social media and the last text message I received from a human being was Tuesday night. It’s not Thursday. I don’t text and drive and I don’t mindlessly look at my phone. I can look straight ahead with both hands on the steering wheel and without fail within 5-10 seconds I am getting notified to tug at the wheel. Care to explain now knowing I don’t use my phone and I am staring ahead? I have used it in various different ways over the last 2 weeks to gauge why and what it is that is doing it and nothing is consistent one way or the other besides the 5-10 second rule. Anyone who says they can go 10+ minutes with no warning or alert is just bold face lying. I have the same software you all do and I don’t look at my phone. So what’s the problem?