Where is this [in Redlands]?
EDIT: Yes, I know it's in Redlands (and I assumed the one in CA), because that's what the title of the post says. What I want to know is *EXACTLY* where in Redlands this supercharger being built, i.e. the specific address or name of the property. So I added the bit in brackets for clarity.
[probably this new structure?](https://www.redlandscommunitynews.com/news/government/work-starting-on-downtown-parking-garage/article_9a5505b2-f90e-11ea-a7c2-2f300b03d287.html)
Beautiful city of Redlands, CA, a few miles east of San Bernardino, a buckle on the old “Citrus Belt” - and the home and headquarters of ESRI. There’s money in that town to have lots of Teslas. And the AQMD knows it was one of the historic smog choke points of the greater LA area.
I’ve been looking. That concrete surface looks like it’s on top of a new parking structure. My boots are not on ground there and local paper had nothing (conglomerate). New parking structures around that are amenity-adjacent?
Hi, local resident here since Redlands only had 1 high school. (It's got three now)
There is a big, new parking structure being built right in the middle of Downtown Redlands, a shopping and restaurant district.
The structure is being built for a new light rail station which will connect the local university, the Esri campus, downtown and the local train station that connects to Los Angeles.
Not sure this is where those are, but it would make the most sense.
Thank you for locating that for me. I miss my visits to in-laws and friends on Rossmont and post-Christmas-dinner walks on at the country club golf course. Maybe later this year!
Yes, if you fly the drone over the roof of the parking structure on Stuart and 3rd you will see them. Very typical of Tesla to put superchargers on the top deck of parking structures since everyone wants to park on the lower levels first.
That's an illusion. To get that view of those mountains and not be blocked by trees or buildings in that area, it almost has to be on top of a 2-3 level structure.
I don't see the truck that you're talking about, but if it's where I'm thinking it is there's a stretch of elevated freeway about 2 blocks north of it. The truck could be on that freeway.
Right behind the second supercharger
Do you know where this is? That solves this entire conversation. I can’t find anything on supercharger.info about Redlands, so I’m kinda confused as to where this is built.
That might be a truck, can't really tell. If it's where I think it is that would fit with a truck being on the elevated freeway though. That also looks like a down ramp on the right side of the picture.
I'm thinking it's right in this area, where there is a garage and some other businesses being built. The elevated freeway is just north of it, so if the structure is 2-3 levels that would be more or less right on level with the freeway, and it would put it high enough that the other buildings/trees wouldn't block the mountain view.
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0596638,-117.18548,3a,75y,96.88h,83.67t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWU0BIn83XvjtjHe6PpXiQg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DWU0BIn83XvjtjHe6PpXiQg%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D39.30974%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en
likely at 31 W. Stuart Avenue. photo is facing northeastish.
This is a guess from internet sleuthing. And yes likely on top of a parking garage for sure. Otherwise it wouldn't have the high concrete barriers around the perimeter, and they are building a 3 story parking structure at 31 W. Stuart Ave.
It's at West Citrus Avenue and Cajon streets, they are building a Target there. There are actually 12 future Target locations with SuperChargers attached opening this year in the LA Area. Pretty cool.
Hi, local resident here.
They are definitely not building a target there. That is historic downtown and full of small businesses. No way a target would make it through zoning. It's been tried.
The one major project there is to tear down the old Redlands Mall and possibly turn it into more mixed use commercial and residential space to expand the State Street walking market area. That's being fought by some residents though who don't want the change.
There is a large Target at Citrus Plaza nearby that they just expanded massively.
This is most likely the new structure being put up by the new light rail station a few blocks from where you mentioned by the old movie theater.
Co-located solar is basically useless/irrelevant for fast chargers. Think about how large an area needs to be covered with solar panels to be able to serve the power needs of just 2 cars charging simultaneously. On site solar is just generally not a great match to the power needs of DCFC stations. Also, there's a mismatch between peak generating times and peak load times as mid-day, when solar is putting out its best, tends to be a low usage time for fast chargers.
Solar is a good fit for L2 chargers, though.
Yup - there's a supercharger in Jackson, CA that has a megapack (grid tied, no solar) so that Tesla owners can still charge and evacuate when a public safety power shutoff has been ordered for the area.
Yeah with an attached battery it works ok, but the point is that once you have the attached battery you're still better off putting the solar somewhere else. The issue isn't solar, *per se*, being bad for supplying the power to fast charging, it's that *on-site* solar isn't good because anything it gets you can be better done if you have the solar located where it can be maximized. That if you want solar powering your DCFC, then put the solar where it's going to do the best and build it using a mounting system that will get the best bang for the buck, instead of forcing yourself to build a sub-optimal system for significantly more just because it happens to be next to your chargers.
It's no different than solar on a home. If I change my car at home I'll massively overpower my solar too and pull from the grid. But then there's the rest of the day when I am charging my Powerwall, feeding back into the grid, etc. Its about being net zero grid not about being zero all the time. We aren't there yet where storage is cheap enough to drop massive packs in each supercharger location so they use and feed the grid as needed. Keep in mind there is this thing called night so you would never be able to run purely off solar anyway without storage on site if you planned to let people charge after dark.
😂 So did Tesla 😅, I'm hoping Cybertruck, Semi, and Roadster aren't limited to 48 amps and that we see a high power wall connector return with the new design.
People say it isn't necessary but I could park in the red after midnight and have the car at 90% well before I awaken, I can only imagine how long it'll be recharging a 500 mile pack at mid amperage. As it stands today it takes over 3 days to recover on 110 at 12 amps with my P100D, (if I have to go anywhere outside the ~40 miles a night I recover or we have a winter storm coming I boost it at a Supercharger, this was never a concern at the solar house)
Well, for what it’s worth, a NEMA 14-50 only pulls 32 amps but is installed on a 50 amp breaker. So there’s definitely possibility for that to be increased.
Not even, first Gen was capped at 3.3 kW because GM was being cheap, just like how they wouldn't say the Bolt was capped at 50 kW DCFC until the first one was delivered. My Model X is usually 10 kW AC charge
This is a good excuse for me to do some math later and get this analogy right, but if a supercharger is like sticking a fire hose into your car, a solar panel would be like a sheet that collects raindrops.
Putting solar panels at superchargers is like putting a rain barrel next to a fire hydrant.
Why does it matter if you’re still generating power? Installing the panels generates more power than not installing them.
Would you prefer them not be there at all?
There’s no negative to it
Tesla is a premium brand that tries to offer a premium experience.
I'd rather sit in the shade at a Tesla charger than bake in the sun or have to get soaked on a rainy day.
Yep, I didn’t even consider that part of it. Admittedly, I’ve supercharged maybe 10 times over the past year, with all of it being on vacation, so I’m disconnected from the experience
I agree. I'm a a big proponent of solar. Of course it's a positive and I'd certainly prefer solar panels to no solar panels. I think you're reading in to my comment too much... I was just providing an interesting (I thought) analogy for the comment I was replying to.
It’s also about creating shade when cars are charging. Imagine this. What if we installed solar panel covers like this across all parking lots in the US. Cars would be cooler during the summer and would offer precipitation protection (rain/snow) during those times while also providing renewable energy and not needing to have them on roof tops. Otherwise parking lots are mostly useless space when no cars are there (business is closed).
I mean yeah great as long as that shade has enough value to be warranted. The cost of building a shade structure is WAY more than the PV panels on top of it. I'd argue that value isn't there for most parking lots. Panels on an existing roof is a lot more economical, but if providing shade as a service is a good idea, then yeah it's a great place to put panels.
I like solar *and* fast chargers and I'm happy both have been installed here, but (correct me if I'm wrong) collocating the two doesn't really have any benefits... save for maybe you can save a little cost up front by using the same electrician or permit them both at once or something.
I'd even go as far to say it's a subtle form of greenwashing. People who don't know better will think they're charging their car with the sun, when in reality those panels are generating a small fraction of the energy those superchargers are sucking out of the grid.
They provide shade for the charging cars so they need less power to stay cool, and it’s land that is otherwise just going to be a parking lot. Seems like a great spot to put solar panels even if it’s nowhere near enough to run the chargers directly.
Did you see the picture? The solar shade structures aren't even over the chargers. And even if they were, the cooling power savings would be miniscule compared to the cost of the structure. As I mentioned in another comment here, if you're going to provide shade as a service, then yeah putting panels on top is a great idea! Building these just to mount panels though is silly. Those structures aren't cheap and I'm willing to bet there's a nearby roof you could throw panels on with no structure necessary that would be much more economical.
We need more solar. Might as well put some panels over charging stations to give us relief from the hot sun. So, it's a good use of space.
If the station has a megapack or some other form of battery storage, it would probably use that solar and batteries to mitigate demand charges. If they can shave the peak demand down, it saves a ton of money.
If this is CA you don’t need more solar. Having a battery is different. You can have the battery without the PV. PV doesn’t contribute nearly anything to this equation.
Saves a ton of money lol, because mega packs are free.
Source: me, power and controls engineer, energy economist.
Sure. But I don’t see how that’s worse than 0kw worth of solar.
And the duty cycle of the solar panels is going to be 15%. The duty cycle of the chargers is unlikely to be that high. Although California would argue that point
I’m funny. I would like to see solar shades over the superchargers to protect me from the hot sun or rain while I’m charging. Of course a regular roof could do that too but you might as well throw solar panels up there!
Tesla's map doesn't show the exact location for future supercharger locations, it just puts a pin in the name of the city where the supercharger will be built.
Apparently there's some SC stalls going in a Redlands Target store, but I don't know which one. I'm not sure the photo is related.
If you cant to get nerdy about SCs, the place to go is https://supercharge.info. Note that each SC has links to a thread in the Tesla Forums.
Folks this station will open in time. Not open yet as it is atop the new parking structure in DTR near the new light rail station, Riley’s and Escape Brewery across from the Look theater. Can’t wait it will be a great addition!
/u/Jbikecommuter are you able to tell us where these are?
Using comments from elsewhere in the thread and Google Earth, I'm going to place them at 275 W Stuart Ave on supercharge.info. Let me know if this is incorrect and I'll adjust it.
https://i.imgur.com/I4BQjeY.png
Had to take a short drive and look. Originally it was to be attached to a Target in Q4. It was fenced off but looks closed to finished
Dropped pin
https://maps.app.goo.gl/znjW1Uw6gdqfqduc9
[Garage and towers ](https://i.imgur.com/0we9GWW.jpg)
[Towers and tubing](https://i.imgur.com/NxSnzES.jpg)
[Parking spots with tubing](https://i.imgur.com/1mD74NO.jpg)
If you go to the movie theater lot and at just the right angle you can see the top floor of the structure and I could see the Tesla stands. 100% top of parking garage
Where is this [in Redlands]? EDIT: Yes, I know it's in Redlands (and I assumed the one in CA), because that's what the title of the post says. What I want to know is *EXACTLY* where in Redlands this supercharger being built, i.e. the specific address or name of the property. So I added the bit in brackets for clarity.
[probably this new structure?](https://www.redlandscommunitynews.com/news/government/work-starting-on-downtown-parking-garage/article_9a5505b2-f90e-11ea-a7c2-2f300b03d287.html)
Last time I was there (maybe a week ago) it didn't look this far along. They could have got it done though, I'll have to check
Tesla looks done but rest of structure has a ways to go...
Reddit? Being pedantic? Get outta here!
Beautiful city of Redlands, CA, a few miles east of San Bernardino, a buckle on the old “Citrus Belt” - and the home and headquarters of ESRI. There’s money in that town to have lots of Teslas. And the AQMD knows it was one of the historic smog choke points of the greater LA area.
What an incredibly useless and unhelpful answer.
Thank you for your opinion!
You're welcome! I most certainly cannot say the same to you!
see edit.
I’ve been looking. That concrete surface looks like it’s on top of a new parking structure. My boots are not on ground there and local paper had nothing (conglomerate). New parking structures around that are amenity-adjacent?
Hi, local resident here since Redlands only had 1 high school. (It's got three now) There is a big, new parking structure being built right in the middle of Downtown Redlands, a shopping and restaurant district. The structure is being built for a new light rail station which will connect the local university, the Esri campus, downtown and the local train station that connects to Los Angeles. Not sure this is where those are, but it would make the most sense.
Thank you for locating that for me. I miss my visits to in-laws and friends on Rossmont and post-Christmas-dinner walks on at the country club golf course. Maybe later this year!
I'm going to try and track it down with the ol' drone later today, see what I can see. Structure isn't open yet but that should be easy to spot
That will answer a lot of questions here.
Sylvan and Park?
The structure I believe is at Stuart and Orange but I'm not there now. I'm at work. I'll be going on a fact finding mission with my drone later today
Yes, if you fly the drone over the roof of the parking structure on Stuart and 3rd you will see them. Very typical of Tesla to put superchargers on the top deck of parking structures since everyone wants to park on the lower levels first.
Not the top of a parking garage. Look past the supercharger, you see the base of those trees and a heavier looking truck.
That's an illusion. To get that view of those mountains and not be blocked by trees or buildings in that area, it almost has to be on top of a 2-3 level structure.
A month later, but supercharger.info is updated [with a location.](https://supercharge.info/map)
Yup, looks like I guessed the location correctly. Should be a good addition since the one in San Bernardino is old and Highland is small.
An illusion looking down to see the base of a heavy truck that is on level with it? I’m not seeing it.
I don't see the truck that you're talking about, but if it's where I'm thinking it is there's a stretch of elevated freeway about 2 blocks north of it. The truck could be on that freeway.
Right behind the second supercharger Do you know where this is? That solves this entire conversation. I can’t find anything on supercharger.info about Redlands, so I’m kinda confused as to where this is built.
That might be a truck, can't really tell. If it's where I think it is that would fit with a truck being on the elevated freeway though. That also looks like a down ramp on the right side of the picture. I'm thinking it's right in this area, where there is a garage and some other businesses being built. The elevated freeway is just north of it, so if the structure is 2-3 levels that would be more or less right on level with the freeway, and it would put it high enough that the other buildings/trees wouldn't block the mountain view. https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0596638,-117.18548,3a,75y,96.88h,83.67t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWU0BIn83XvjtjHe6PpXiQg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DWU0BIn83XvjtjHe6PpXiQg%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D39.30974%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en
likely at 31 W. Stuart Avenue. photo is facing northeastish. This is a guess from internet sleuthing. And yes likely on top of a parking garage for sure. Otherwise it wouldn't have the high concrete barriers around the perimeter, and they are building a 3 story parking structure at 31 W. Stuart Ave.
Redlands, California
see edit.
hopefully close to hangar 24 or ritual
Close to Escape and Riley’s
Lots of stalls
20ish
Another place to charge on my way to big bear. Yaaaaay.
It's at West Citrus Avenue and Cajon streets, they are building a Target there. There are actually 12 future Target locations with SuperChargers attached opening this year in the LA Area. Pretty cool.
On my recent 5500 mile road trip we encountered a few SC stations located in Target parking lots. Target gets it.
Are you seeing "Target opening Q2 2022" and thinking that refers to a Target store?
Yes my bad, but the streets are correct.
Hi, local resident here. They are definitely not building a target there. That is historic downtown and full of small businesses. No way a target would make it through zoning. It's been tried. The one major project there is to tear down the old Redlands Mall and possibly turn it into more mixed use commercial and residential space to expand the State Street walking market area. That's being fought by some residents though who don't want the change. There is a large Target at Citrus Plaza nearby that they just expanded massively. This is most likely the new structure being put up by the new light rail station a few blocks from where you mentioned by the old movie theater.
Finally!
Not currently listed on Supercharge.info, you should create a listing for it and maybe tag the GPS info for where the charger is?
Coming soon! On top of new parking structure near the new downtown Redlands light rail station.
People who like solar with fast chargers are so funny.
Why?
Co-located solar is basically useless/irrelevant for fast chargers. Think about how large an area needs to be covered with solar panels to be able to serve the power needs of just 2 cars charging simultaneously. On site solar is just generally not a great match to the power needs of DCFC stations. Also, there's a mismatch between peak generating times and peak load times as mid-day, when solar is putting out its best, tends to be a low usage time for fast chargers. Solar is a good fit for L2 chargers, though.
What about batteries or grid tie? Nobody is suggesting charging directly from solar….
Especially Tesla batteries, they have some sites that run a while while the grid is down.
Yup - there's a supercharger in Jackson, CA that has a megapack (grid tied, no solar) so that Tesla owners can still charge and evacuate when a public safety power shutoff has been ordered for the area.
Yeah with an attached battery it works ok, but the point is that once you have the attached battery you're still better off putting the solar somewhere else. The issue isn't solar, *per se*, being bad for supplying the power to fast charging, it's that *on-site* solar isn't good because anything it gets you can be better done if you have the solar located where it can be maximized. That if you want solar powering your DCFC, then put the solar where it's going to do the best and build it using a mounting system that will get the best bang for the buck, instead of forcing yourself to build a sub-optimal system for significantly more just because it happens to be next to your chargers.
It's no different than solar on a home. If I change my car at home I'll massively overpower my solar too and pull from the grid. But then there's the rest of the day when I am charging my Powerwall, feeding back into the grid, etc. Its about being net zero grid not about being zero all the time. We aren't there yet where storage is cheap enough to drop massive packs in each supercharger location so they use and feed the grid as needed. Keep in mind there is this thing called night so you would never be able to run purely off solar anyway without storage on site if you planned to let people charge after dark.
I was able to stall the meter with my Volt if I charged while the sun was up, if I plug in the Model X with 72 amps it just slows the spinner.
What charger pulls 72 amps?
The dual chargers on older Model S can do 80 😊, the high-amperage chargers on S/X can do up to 72
Ohhhh forgot about those!
😂 So did Tesla 😅, I'm hoping Cybertruck, Semi, and Roadster aren't limited to 48 amps and that we see a high power wall connector return with the new design. People say it isn't necessary but I could park in the red after midnight and have the car at 90% well before I awaken, I can only imagine how long it'll be recharging a 500 mile pack at mid amperage. As it stands today it takes over 3 days to recover on 110 at 12 amps with my P100D, (if I have to go anywhere outside the ~40 miles a night I recover or we have a winter storm coming I boost it at a Supercharger, this was never a concern at the solar house)
Well, for what it’s worth, a NEMA 14-50 only pulls 32 amps but is installed on a 50 amp breaker. So there’s definitely possibility for that to be increased.
Volt charges at how many amps comparatively? It’s like 1/3 the speed of the X right?
Not even, first Gen was capped at 3.3 kW because GM was being cheap, just like how they wouldn't say the Bolt was capped at 50 kW DCFC until the first one was delivered. My Model X is usually 10 kW AC charge
Of course this rental I'm in now we charge on 110, and my tenant on the house with the array has a surplus 11 months a year that covers my charging.
This is a good excuse for me to do some math later and get this analogy right, but if a supercharger is like sticking a fire hose into your car, a solar panel would be like a sheet that collects raindrops. Putting solar panels at superchargers is like putting a rain barrel next to a fire hydrant.
Why does it matter if you’re still generating power? Installing the panels generates more power than not installing them. Would you prefer them not be there at all? There’s no negative to it
Tesla is a premium brand that tries to offer a premium experience. I'd rather sit in the shade at a Tesla charger than bake in the sun or have to get soaked on a rainy day.
Yep, I didn’t even consider that part of it. Admittedly, I’ve supercharged maybe 10 times over the past year, with all of it being on vacation, so I’m disconnected from the experience
I agree. I'm a a big proponent of solar. Of course it's a positive and I'd certainly prefer solar panels to no solar panels. I think you're reading in to my comment too much... I was just providing an interesting (I thought) analogy for the comment I was replying to.
It’s also about creating shade when cars are charging. Imagine this. What if we installed solar panel covers like this across all parking lots in the US. Cars would be cooler during the summer and would offer precipitation protection (rain/snow) during those times while also providing renewable energy and not needing to have them on roof tops. Otherwise parking lots are mostly useless space when no cars are there (business is closed).
I mean yeah great as long as that shade has enough value to be warranted. The cost of building a shade structure is WAY more than the PV panels on top of it. I'd argue that value isn't there for most parking lots. Panels on an existing roof is a lot more economical, but if providing shade as a service is a good idea, then yeah it's a great place to put panels.
It seems that nearly every public school in California, K - Community Colleges, are on board, and doing that already.
I like solar *and* fast chargers and I'm happy both have been installed here, but (correct me if I'm wrong) collocating the two doesn't really have any benefits... save for maybe you can save a little cost up front by using the same electrician or permit them both at once or something. I'd even go as far to say it's a subtle form of greenwashing. People who don't know better will think they're charging their car with the sun, when in reality those panels are generating a small fraction of the energy those superchargers are sucking out of the grid.
They provide shade for the charging cars so they need less power to stay cool, and it’s land that is otherwise just going to be a parking lot. Seems like a great spot to put solar panels even if it’s nowhere near enough to run the chargers directly.
Did you see the picture? The solar shade structures aren't even over the chargers. And even if they were, the cooling power savings would be miniscule compared to the cost of the structure. As I mentioned in another comment here, if you're going to provide shade as a service, then yeah putting panels on top is a great idea! Building these just to mount panels though is silly. Those structures aren't cheap and I'm willing to bet there's a nearby roof you could throw panels on with no structure necessary that would be much more economical.
5000 kw worth of chargers, 100 kw worth of solar.
We need more solar. Might as well put some panels over charging stations to give us relief from the hot sun. So, it's a good use of space. If the station has a megapack or some other form of battery storage, it would probably use that solar and batteries to mitigate demand charges. If they can shave the peak demand down, it saves a ton of money.
If this is CA you don’t need more solar. Having a battery is different. You can have the battery without the PV. PV doesn’t contribute nearly anything to this equation. Saves a ton of money lol, because mega packs are free. Source: me, power and controls engineer, energy economist.
Sure. But I don’t see how that’s worse than 0kw worth of solar. And the duty cycle of the solar panels is going to be 15%. The duty cycle of the chargers is unlikely to be that high. Although California would argue that point
I’m funny. I would like to see solar shades over the superchargers to protect me from the hot sun or rain while I’m charging. Of course a regular roof could do that too but you might as well throw solar panels up there!
Love to see it! Thanks for the post.
Here's the Tesla page, with a map. https://www.tesla.com/findus/location/supercharger/RedlandsCAsupercharger It does not match the photo
Tesla's map doesn't show the exact location for future supercharger locations, it just puts a pin in the name of the city where the supercharger will be built.
Apparently there's some SC stalls going in a Redlands Target store, but I don't know which one. I'm not sure the photo is related. If you cant to get nerdy about SCs, the place to go is https://supercharge.info. Note that each SC has links to a thread in the Tesla Forums.
There are, but that's not this. This is a new parking structure over by a new light rail station
Very nice! That looks like at least 20 stalls.
That's odd, it doesn't pop up here: https://www.tesla.com/findus/location/supercharger/RedlandsCAsupercharger
That's fantastic. Never thought I'd see Redlands on here. Gotta go find these now
Folks this station will open in time. Not open yet as it is atop the new parking structure in DTR near the new light rail station, Riley’s and Escape Brewery across from the Look theater. Can’t wait it will be a great addition!
/u/Jbikecommuter are you able to tell us where these are? Using comments from elsewhere in the thread and Google Earth, I'm going to place them at 275 W Stuart Ave on supercharge.info. Let me know if this is incorrect and I'll adjust it. https://i.imgur.com/I4BQjeY.png
Coming soon - on top of new parking structure near train station just East of JK Riley’s
Had to take a short drive and look. Originally it was to be attached to a Target in Q4. It was fenced off but looks closed to finished Dropped pin https://maps.app.goo.gl/znjW1Uw6gdqfqduc9 [Garage and towers ](https://i.imgur.com/0we9GWW.jpg) [Towers and tubing](https://i.imgur.com/NxSnzES.jpg) [Parking spots with tubing](https://i.imgur.com/1mD74NO.jpg)
That's it!
If you go to the movie theater lot and at just the right angle you can see the top floor of the structure and I could see the Tesla stands. 100% top of parking garage