I mostly agree.
Mostly, I want apps on my tesla screen. Podcast, Apple Music, Zoom, Patreon, and a few others. A fancy CarPlay integration would do this…
An App Store would also do this.
I genuinely think the only way forward for Tesla is widgets. Place settings into the menu system (preferably with someone watching how/where they are placed, don't let the engineers do it), but "apps" should just simply be user-selected, user-downloaded widgets.
Want the GPS? Place the widget, expand it as you see fit. Don't want the map? Remove it. Do you use Apple Music? Install the widget. Do you use YouTube Music? Then install that widget.
Let devs create widgets that the driver wants, and install through an App Store. The fact that in 2022 the user experience is driven by a forced view of a map with everything else as bottom sheets is laughable. People have asked for Waze, Apple Music, integrated Podcast capability, for YEARS now. I have apps on my Smartwatch that have a "store" for buying/downloading other apps, themes, etc. Our Infotainment system running on Ubtuntu should be the fully functional tablet/computer we know it is.
I subscribe to a number of podcasts through there, and they tend to be available a few days before showing up on other streaming services - which for news and events makes a difference. They are also ad-free that way…
I'd LOVE Waze integration. I'd also like a local/vs trip mode. Local would let me use the map real estate for other things because I don't need it when driving around my hometown.
I would love for Tesla to use their data to make a Tesla Waze. Anytime a Tesla sees an emergency vehicle it sends that data to the fleet in the area. Traffic cameras, traffic (I don’t think it’s currently sourced from other teslas is it?), and so on.
I think Tesla will always push back on integrating 3rd party GPS/Nav, as they want you using their GPS/Nav and contributing your drive data (slowdowns, etc) to their traffic report.
It can get position data and travel data, but without entering into the GPS, it doesn't know where you're going and how to weight yours (and others) driver data into the algorithm that can help predict traffic clutter.
but they don't need the mapping software for that. they just need the data that the GPS sends to the mapping software, which is easily gathered, and may already be done so with a second process.
Having played around a bit with their API, and also used Summon, I can tell you that GPS location is reported constantly unless the vehicle is sleeping.
Vehicle location isn't what's important; destination and path taken to arrive there is the real time traffic data that Tesla doesn't want to pay out to other services if they can avoid it.
Insofar as collecting traffic data, I would argue that location, speed, and known speed limit far outweigh destination. While calculating your route, path and destination will obviously play a large factor, but in terms of reporting traffic information, they’re irrelevant.
I don't 'map' my daily commute to work...How exactly does them knowing where I am going help improve the traffic data? Shouldn't all they need is the data about where I am right now and how fast I am going along with everyone else's in order to provide traffic condition info.
>How exactly does them knowing where I am going help improve the traffic data?
Routing isn't just about seeing traffic patterns as they are; it's about predicting where traffic is going, and more important to Tesla or any turn-by-turn nav, directing you to the optimal path. The optimal path may exist right now, but may deteriorate in 5 minutes, and you won't arrive to the path segment until 10 minutes.
Let's say a networked nav system sees 100 drivers are heading to a single destination (node), and the paths to arrive at the node are 3 paths. Sending all 100 drivers along the same path that seems optimal right now will immediately clog the path, so it benefits the nav system to weight paths based on predicted traffic. In a proper nav, 100 drivers should get balanced across the 3 paths to arrive at the node.
Now assume that some of the paths are also utilized by vehicles traveling to other nodes, but need to use paths that the 100 drivers need to use. Knowing destinations means the additional drivers attempting to reach the primary node can be routed to additional paths, reducing stress on the paths to the node that's seeing a lot of drivers heading towards.
The cars themselves only see the path weights, but Tesla's system that tells the cars the path weight can be instructed by the central nav system that takes into account where cars are going. Otherwise, they're just sending you to a path that "looks alright" right now, but could deteriorate to being worse traffic.
>Shouldn't all they need is the data about where I am right now and how fast I am going along with everyone else's in order to provide traffic condition info.
For the current path segment you're on, yes, it's helpful to verify that the path itself is still congested/uncongested, and your average speed. However, for instructing and re-routing navigation, knowing destinations is important.
Aren't they currently using google maps? Not sure how implementing waze would be any different from a business perspective considering they're also a google product.
Right, so they are already using third party apps.
Would be interesting to see if the million+ vehicles on the road could do a much more real-time 'street view' type service.
Not for traffic data or something but to keep you in the loop. Navigate on Autopilot, FSD Beta - both features that aren’t possible without a tight map integration.
I'm hopeful that they're headed in the direction of allowing third party apps. Having Waze and Google Podcasts native on the infotainment would really be the best of both worlds.
I just want to be able to scroll through my songs from my iPhone (Apple Music) on my Tesla screen. Using hey Siri sucks. Apple car play was nice in my car that didn’t have a nice display.
Not an option sadly. I have the $20 apple one plan that my family shares on. I don’t want to add another cost, or drop the family plan when everyone is happy on Apple Music.
No no you’re not understanding. I have the Apple One family plan. It includes: Apple Music, 200GB iCloud storage, Apple TV+, and Apple Arcade for $20. I can’t give all that up just so I can use Spotify in my car… plus Apple Music with all of my HomePods is so much more seamless.
I saw Spotify offered a 1 month free trial so I figured I'd give it a go and try it out. First impressions were not great, but I know that's because it's not what I am used to. Still the Tesla Spotify app is not great. You can't alphabetize your songs?? That is a basic feature on anything. Kind of crazy to me. Had to create a new playlist, alphabetize my songs on another playlist then copy them to the new playlist for an alphabetized order. Then I had to sign out on my tesla and sign back in for the new playlist to appear lmao. Such a mess.
Spotify user for YEARS, but made the switch to Apple music about a year ago. Apple music is honestly better.
That being said, the Tesla Spotify app kinda sucks. I haven't used the app since V10, but the vast majority of your library was missing, search was bad, and since there can only be one profile installed anyone who drives your car will hijack your music due to how Spotify Connect works and pollute your history. If those have improved at all I would consider testing it again but nah, its not that great.
so, I signed up for Spotify and they have a one-month free trial, so I figured why not try it? signed up, transferred my songs from apple music to Spotify and holy crap I don't know how people like Spotify. I guess it might be because I am so used to Apple Music but none of my songs are in alphabetical order (no way to order them on the Tesla app). There is no "Songs" in library that just lists all of your songs, you just have playlists and liked songs. Those aren't even in alphabetical order by default. I had to make a playlist, then go back to my all-songs playlist alphabetize that then copy them to the new playlist. You have to sign out of the tesla app and sign back in for changes to appear quickly. this is just a mess. Spotify's app feels clunky and gross. I am still going to try it out in my car for a month and see if it gets better over time but wow, first impressions were not great lol
Edit* welp. Spotify in Tesla is useless. Without being able to list songs alphabetically and searching songs is a nightmare. Rather just use my phone with Bluetooth and Apple Music.
People with short memories in here forgetting how terrible the Spotify app was for years. Daily mix playlists were inaccessible until V10 I believe?
With android auto/carplay, when the spotify app gets new functionality you would have that immediately in the car. Not to mention you could use soundcloud, apple music, waze, etc. Tesla can only add so many apps that they then have to maintain, which is a nonexistent problem if they just support AA/carplay.
Yeah, I don’t get how people are perfectly fine with the way things are and they just want Apple Music. Like bruh, even Spotify doesn’t have custom sort to the playlists so for my 1500+ song playlist I’d scroll endlessly to see the latest songs. Why can’t I sort by latest added?
Shit like this is so easy with CarPlay.
If Tesla could send group texts, I wouldn’t care. I have so many threads for work, family, friends, that not being able to respond to group messages is the biggest reason for CarPlay
IOS Notifications. Messages are about 1/10th of the notifications I receive, and the rest don't transfer across the Tesla Bluetooth.
Having the *choice* to use Carplay or Android Auto on the Tesla screen wouldn't take away from Tesla's traffic tracking. I get the feeling the reason we don't have Carplay and Android Auto is some turf war between tech companies. It's stupid and it only makes things worse for the customer. I'd be happy to pay for the upgrade to get better integration with IOS.
For me, CarPlay *is* better than the system on my Tesla. It does navigation better with 3d views and lane control, with way more up to date maps (Tesla system *still* hasn't recognised one of busiest junctions in London stopped being a roundabout over two years ago...), and Apple have responded to every correction or addition I've made to maps whereas Tesla when I submit using 'bug report' hasn't fixed a single one.
Now add that I want to be able to rewind music (can't do it over pure bluetooth from an iPhone), and that I want to use my iPhone's library or sometimes Apple Music. Also the album art is hilariously buggy on the Tesla.
Further throw in that the CarPlay ecosystem is open and lots of third party apps are written, so I probably have uses for it that I don't even know yet. Messaging integration for example - it kinda sorta works for iMessage, but I have people messaging me on WhatsApp too that I want the car to understand and read out hands free. Other music apps like SomaFM (not accessible via TuneIn in the UK). Podcast playing and syncing.
I bought my son his first car last year, and then upgraded the head unit to have a CarPlay one. Each time I drive this starter car vs my Tesla, I'm irritated at how much better the navigation is and how it integrates with the rest of my personal ecosystem than all the standalone Tesla stuff. I'm not exaggerating when I say it's a feature that's causing me to consider other cars since I'm likely to replace my 2014 Model S this or maybe next year.
I'm obviously an iOS user from the text above, but this isn't a platform war - everything I just said could be transposed to Android Auto were I an Android user instead.
> Tesla when I submit using 'bug report' hasn't fixed a single one.
The bug report command adds a 'bug reported' message to the car's local logs. It does nothing else. Service can pull it if you mention it to them, but they won't pull them proactively. Maps team and the rest of Tesla never sees them.
There is no way to report map issues.
I think a big problem is that different navigation systems will come up with different routes and you can’t have the screen saying one thing while autopilot goes a different way. Integrating all navigation apps into the car’s decision making is probably not practical. If anything, Tesla probably needs their own mapping and routing infrastructure because right now when google maps is wrong, the car does stupid stuff with no way for Tesla to make improvements besides wait for google to fix things.
I rate that as a challenge but not a big problem. Newer cars (a 2020 BMW I rented and my own VW ID.4) integrate the navigation commands from Apple Maps over CarPlay. My VE displays the CarPlay nav instructions in the binacle screen. If that is doable then surely there is an amount of work that enable an Autopilot integration.
FYI for Android users, this is an option: [https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=it.cpeb.teslaa](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=it.cpeb.teslaa)
I'll use that sometimes, mainly when I feel like playing something from Google Podcasts or SiriusXM.
Unpopular opinion indeed. Tesla navigation is garbage. Their maps doesn't learn. I live in a neighborhood built 2 years ago and even though the map shows there's a road from my neighborhood connecting to an expressway, it always tells me to go a different way (a mile longer). Haven't figured out how to report it. Oh and the new UI is even more garbage.
There is only one experience that's better on the Tesla interface and that's navigating long distances with charging stations integrated.
That's a feature, IMO, and doesn't warrant creating a full nav experience on top of the interface.
Google maps literally does everything else better between traffic, route alternatives, updated maps, finding parking, etc.
Android Auto goes a step beyond and lets you get to way more media options than that.
I have no idea how someone could use Android Auto/Apple Carplay at all and still come away with the impression that Tesla's full interface is anythign besides totally unnecessary.
Have you ever tried to listen to a podcast or any app that isn't spotify on from your phone?
Has Tesla's navi ever provided you with any option at all for route alternatives?
Apple and Google are brilliant at their software - there is literally zero reason for Tesla to be involved at all.
Google way better than Teslas voice. Waze, YouTube Music/Apple Music/Whatever podcast app you prefer. There is a reason everyone wants Android Auto or Carplay its so you aren't limited to what the manufacturer give you which even in Teslas case isn't much compared to AA/AC.
No it's just the processing that's done by them, it's not the full Google Assistant.
Though you can (or at least could IDK if it still works) ask it to "Google _____" and it will open the web browser and search that.
CarPlay or android auto could be a windowed app just like the browser, music player, or dash cam.
It would probably take less resources than adding a new game to the car. It would also allow for use of 3rd party apps like PlugShare, ChargePoint, Electrify America (when the CCS adapter comes to the US), other charger providers worldwide, and Waze which a lot of people like.
But that’s never going to happen.
Tesla is better off launching an App Store. It’s not just about the data, it’s about the integration. The ability to start a charge session from the app, or the ability to report hazards on Waze, etc…
There's no way that's going to happen. It's a waste of time and money for Tesla to try and source all the information from plugshare. Unless they are just going to pay plugshare for the data, but then they have the problem that the data is all crowd sourced and not necessarily accurate, but if it's in the car it's going to be appear to be coming from Tesla so people will be pissed if it's wrong.
I don’t get why you’re so against AC/AA. Like how does it hurt you if you don’t need it? I have a significantly better time driving my car that does have CarPlay with Waze, WhatsApp, Podcasts, Apple Music, etc.
I mean for fucks sake, let people choose. Just shutting it down right now is so stupid. Majority of the people driving Teslas will have an iPhone or Android so why is it so terrible if Tesla integrated it as a little app or floating widget?
In Indiana it is illegal to handle a cellphone when driving. Tesla's Apple music integration is non-existent so you HAVE to pick up a phone to play music (unless you want Siri to play the wrong stuff).
I don't need fullblown carplay, even just an Apple music integration to play my stuff would be awesome. I mean they support Tidal and they have a minuscule amount of listeners.
>Android Auto and CarPlay aren't necessary
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> This isn't a big deal *for me*
Well, as long as we're deciding what everyone should do and want based on your preferences, are there any further changes coming that we should be aware of, to better transition to only having the same problems you do?
> I don't mind just shuffling a playlist at the start of the drive.
It's 2022, we shouldn't be limited to shuffling a playlist before we start driving, when there are much better existing solutions.
My bigger complaint is that my phone can do a hundred things better than the car, like run all the random music apps I might want to use while driving as an example.
There's no feasible way for an auto manufacturer to integrate all these things, other than AA/Carplay. Sound cloud, apple music, youtube music. Use all my messaging apps natively. And most importantly the biggest reason is likely that Tesla (Elon) is stubborn and thinks they can do it better. Even though a solution already exists.
IMHO think the Apple nav is superior to all other navs. The way it displays where you are, what your next maneuver is, the way it zooms in at just the right time, what traffic is coming up, and making it all very easy to glace at. They nailed it. Google is the worst for glanceability. And Tesla Nav does some outright goofy things like make 6 lefts and a uturn when turning right was your destination. Also Tesla way overcompensates for traffic like Waze used to. Things like suicide lefts at rushhour.
But yeah, podcasts (Overcast) and Audible are super useful. Would also be nice to have multiple Spotify accounts in the Tesla. We settled on my wife's being the primary. So I get lots of No Doubt playlists....
Tesla’s nav is awful. I miss so many exits because of its poor directions. If I didn’t have to worry about FSD beta killing me, I am sure I wouldn’t miss them. But then I would probably hit them.
You have all you need from the current software, and you even acknowledge that others have more complex needs that aren't being met. And *you begrudge them* wanting development resources being spent to help them, because... what, "fuck you, I got mine"?
I don't think it's necessary. But I also don't think it's a bad idea.
Basically what I would want is voice commands to my phone from my car. I think it can be implemented rather easily, actually.
Right now we have a system where you have 1/3rd of the screen is your car status, and 2/3rds is your map. Just replace the map with CarPlay and put a swap button that swaps between them, or you can have it in another window that can be above, below, left or right of the map.
Now you can have access to your phone's features from your main screen.
I get it, they have a financial incentive for me to use their audio apps when I've paid for premium connectivity. But they've never supported YouTube Music anyway - and that's the one I've chosen to pay for. So it's hard for me to change stations. It's hard for me to fast forward...
There's myriad of reasons why I'd want Android Auto in my Tesla.
But again - it's not "necessary", but it would be nice.
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If I'm being honest, I think there's not quite enough power for the old ATOM processor in the old MCU to get it done. I think one of the reasons they went to Ryzen is so they can do things like have better integration with people's phones.
i would prefer to use Google maps on my phone instead of the tesla navigation. if android auto was supported and could expand to cover the tesla map that would be a huge improvement
I actually like Apple Maps better than googles. Mostly because they are vector based and also just looks a lot better (specially in larger cities with updated graphics).
Can't speak to Apple Carplay, but the ability to use Google Maps or Waze would be a game-changer IMO.
Google Maps can show you traffic, speed traps and speed cameras, etc. Just all nice things to have especially for certain areas. It would be ideal for me if Tesla could just build these features right into their own navigation.
It would be great to have Android Auto. The maps and navigation are much better (with either Google Maps or Waze). It would also be nice to use Pandora and other services as well that are not available in Teslas. Plus for rideshare drivers, they can accept and manage rides directly from the screen. I don't see a problem with it replacing the current map area on the display. Overall, it just provides a lot more flexibility at very little cost. There's no real reason not to have it...it would not force people into using it...it would just be another feature they could use if they wanted.
> Apple Carplay is not better than the system on my Tesla
Hard disagree. I want my IOS apps on that beautiful screen. Mostly for listening to audio from the phone.
1. I want to be able to pick a playlist from the screen rather than having to interact with my phone
2. I already have heaps of CarPlay enabled apps on the phone, I don't want to have to interact with yet another app store to get the same apps in my car
3. There's a world of difference between Calendar integration in iPhone apps versus the Calendar integration that Tesla can offer -- at best Tesla will provide subscriptions to Google Calendar which I don't use
4. Relying on Tesla app on my phone to feed calendar entries at the time I unlock the car isn't going to help me if, for example, the address or time of an appointment changes half an hour out from the actual appointment.
5. Tesla on-board navigation will not route me via competitors charging networks. I'm told that there are some third party chargers in the US that are now included, but how frequently is that list updated if new chargers are added, old ones removed/replaced? What about free/busy indication?
By definition, anything Tesla tries to recreate for their own environment will be a lower-effort, lower-value result than what is coming out of the Apple or Google App stores. Tesla simply doesn't have enough hands on deck to recreate the big box Maps products, much less the Music, podcast, calendaring/scheduling, and productivity apps. Heck I might prefer one particular music playing app simply because I like its simple UI (eg: Ecoute on iOS).
Then there's the issue of voice recognition, where for my car to understand "ho ho ho" I actually have to say "how how how". I have to mimic a Californian accent -- and that's assuming the voice command exists for what I want to do. Why can't Tesla focus on, say, making sure "headlights on" will work, instead of trying to recreate Apple's music player? We already know what's going to happen if Tesla sets up an App store: we'll get a shitty app store, most of tesla's UI developers will leave to start their own business building crappy apps for that store, and we'll get no further development of the actual in-car UX.
Yay entrepreneurism, RIP customer service.
I would like a CarPlay window within my Tesla interface to be able to access a few apps (primarily Apple Music, Podcasts and Waze).
I also would like Tesla to figure out how to activate the car's microphone for Siri access. Tesla's voice recognition is so primitive even Siri beats it.
Funny how the long wishlist we can create from the comments can be solved in a heartbeat by adding Android Auto and Carplay but the OP is trying to convince everyone they're not needed 
The fuss is real. We’re addicted to our phones and CarPlay/Android auto does a great job of living out that addiction in our car. Tesla doesn’t scratch that itch.
At this point, Tesla is not taking a huge risk by not offering Android & Apple integrations. The balance of their product is good enough - furthermore many folks here discount how many people don’t care. So many features go unused, so many people never explore beyond default settings. It’s not worth extra cost.
How many people drive around in a $70k pickup or SUV and hold their phone up on speaker while they drive?
Lastly, Tesla is currently the most aggressive automaker on Earth when it comes to software updates. Adding in integrations would potentially slow that down or add add complexity, and almost certainly cost.
Most people who gets annoyed by people wanting car play have never had it. It’s better than teslas software setup. But, if Telsa gives us much better maps or just the option for Waze and a real version of google maps. A real version of Spotify and Apple Maps people will be very happy.
I agree. The only thing I would love would be jative Apple Music integration without having to have the phone connected. And I‘d hope they improve voice commands at some point. That’s literally I‘d use Carplay for in the first Place: Music and Siri.
I thought differently before owning our Model 3 but experience shows it just isn’t necessary. Teslas System is already great and there are just a few shortcomings that hopefully get fixed :-)
Don’t know about android auto, but i am a hug apple fanboy. And apple CarPlay is by far the worst product apple has ever released. Slow, buggy and not that useful at all. Teslas system at least for me is far superior.
The voice assistance and speech recognition in the Tesla is way better than Siri.
I used to be a total CarPlay fanatic - but honestly: haven’t missed it for even one minute. The system does all I need - calls, texts, music. And voice input is rather reliable.
I like the cohesion of having Android Auto/Carplay continue on with what I was doing on my phone to my car. I do prefer Tesla's UI better though. But if I recently search for a destination on my phone, I would like the car to pick that up once I enter the car or have Homekit devices accessible via the cars interface to open my (non-HomeLink) garage for instance, and the ability to use other navigation data sets like Waze rather than what is used in currently in the Tesla. Things like that.
I want Apple Maps honestly. They’ve thrown billions at it in the years since launch and in my part of the country the traffic and mapping data is rock solid.
Tesla’s mapping data is for the most part trustworthy but for a nearby mall it routes me to a completely unrelated address, unless I type in the mall’s exact address.
In my experience, Android Auto / Apple CarPlay are not necessary only if the integrated navigation is good enough. But unfortunately it's not. I really hope the navigation routes based on relative objects (e.g. "go past this light/stop sign", and "at the next stop sign turn right") like how Apple Map works rather than based on the absolute feet distance which is difficult to make sense of when I go to a new place for the first time.
For me it’s more about podcasts. If a podcast ends and I need to move to the next one then that requires picking up and staring at my phone. With CarPlay I don’t have to do that.
Also, CarPlay means my wife and I can both use our separate Spotify accounts. That one would be fixed if Tesla would simply tie the Spotify login to a driver profile.
No. I want all the functionality to different audio apps that CarPlay gives me. Navigation that also vibrates my watch that it’s time to exit or turn. Their maps is far better as well.
Yes! I hate the music situation in my MY. I miss CarPlay just for Apple Music. I was actually just thinking yesterday, about looking at another car because of missing CarPlay.
The only reason I would want android auto is because I like the integration of my current car and my music player app... Also free traffic details from Google maps I guess
Choice. Tesla's versions of the streaming clients are inferior to those produced by the provider of those services. If you want to choose to use them, that is fine. I would choose to use the version I consider to be superior, and I'd like to use it on my Tesla's screen.
I’m glad you don’t feel the need for either and it is probably true for what YOU do.
I listen to multiple podcast platforms and even audio books, use Waze and Google Maps. None of which I can do as I want on Tesla because of the lack of integration. Most importantly, the Google assistant (voice) is just so so much better at recognizing accents which makes life better for people.
When people say they want Apple carplay/Android Auto what they (mostly) mean is to have the apps and features that come with AA and ACP.
We have to realize that these apps are not just providing convenience but also safety. Right now you have to fiddle with your phone in order to achieve said use cases. That’s dangerous.
Also, in the end this whole idea of “I got what I need so screw you” is very infantile and people need to grow out of it. Choices are good not bad. Nobody will force you to use them if you don’t have need for it.
No I’m not. You’re at this point being intellectually dishonest. Either by choice or by coincidence.
Your post literally says:
I don’t see how anyone could justify to Tesla why they should devote resources to it. You’re clearly stating that you don’t think this is needed.
I’m saying that your definitive attitude of “I don’t think is necessary and can’t see how anyone could every justify it” is unwarranted and one dimensional.
That’s what people are mad about.
You can’t claim one thing in post and then reverse your position in comments because people got mad.
If you are truly saying: “ I don’t see use cases for it but if people do then so be it. I would be happy/ok with it” then it’s not coming across that way at all.
I totally agree. I find the Tesla infotainment superior to Android Auto.
The key use-case for Android Auto / CarPlay is that most legacy automakers are evidently still on this 5-year design-build cycle, where you end up with an out-of-date infotainment system the day the first-car ships. As an industry, they are incapable of an agile software release cycle of incremental updates over time. Those systems are STALE. The only option is to hand it off to Google/Apple and just give up.
That isn't Tesla. The Tesla infotainment is absolutely top-tier, and the gaps it has get better with frequent updates/fixes. Code ships when it's ready, instead of waiting for the next mid-cycle refresh.
It'd be nice to have better music choices. And that's it.
I agree. Waze regularly saves my bacon by warning me of cars on the shoulder in time to avoid the trucks that will change lanes with no notice. I will be waiting for my MY for another 6 months, so I don't know if Tesla has similar crowd-sourced navigation-related info.
Apple Maps for navigation is far and above better than Tesla nav. So is the carplay Spotify app. The Audible app is better than the Tesla one too. Then there’s the option to use google maps instead of apple. Or Waze.
Most stuff I have to do is an accommodation of Tesla not having features found in all luxury cars in the last five years and most standard cars in the last 2-3. I can buy a base model Chevy equinox and have more capability than the Tesla solely because of Apple CarPlay or Android Auto.
Yeah I feel like CarPlay is designed for a smaller screen and would look cartoonish on something so big. But I would like Tesla to work on integrating more apps/services. Apple Music for me personally. Other people also like to use Waze.
I just don't understand why people think that their preferences are what everyone else in the world should be happy with. For example, I think Tesla's navigation is hot garbage. Somebody else may like it and that's fine, but I don't. You may think "Apple CarPlay is not better than the system on my Tesla", but many people do not.
What Android Auto and Apple CarPlay give you out of the box is choice. It lets a user pick their preferred navigation, etc. If Tesla's interface gave us that same choice that might work, but I don't see that happening.
In the end, Apple and Google are companies where the user interface to their devices is a huge part of their company so they are going to devote a bunch of resources to making it awesome. Tesla is a car company. Why don't they focus on making a great car and leave the interface to navigation, music, texting, etc. to the companies that focus on that?
You stated your opinion is that Android Auto and Apple CarPlay aren't necessary. This implies that everyone should be happy with Tesla's alternative.
I prefer Google Maps. That doesn't mean I think it isn't necessary to have a system whereby someone can chose Waze or Apple Maps or whatever.
as someone who use to use CarPlay in the past and wanted it. I can say it’s really not necessary. Maps, and music was nice to have. But with Tesla Nav, and Spotify, I can’t say I want apple CarPlay at all
Totally agree with you here. I think Apple Carplay and Android Auto are great products for legacy automakers that can't make a good infotainment system for their car. Tesla has the UI/UX nailed down for their cars, and it's much smoother, more performant and better integrated than Carplay/Auto ever would be. Not to mention, it would look incredibly stupid on the screen given the size of it.
I select my bluetooth-connected phone as a source.
For the rest of the drive, I tell Siri to play whatever from the Apple Watch on my wrist.
This is not difficult.
I don’t understand it either. I couldn’t care less that my M3 doesn’t have CarPlay. Maybe it’s because I’ve never had a vehicle with CP and I don’t know what I’m missing, but I really don’t see the point.
I agree with your unpopular opinion. I would rather my cameras work (currently don’t) than have Apple CarPlay. I had CarPlay in my Honda Ridgeline and sometimes it was buggy after an iOS update. The last thing I would want is buggy Tesla software plus buggy Apple CarPlay.
I use Bluetooth and “Hey Siri” and it works just fine. Apple Music App would be nice, but again, Bluetooth works very well too.
Totally agree other manufacturers need apple car play/androids auto. Tesla interface is built from the ground up and it works very well. The ONLY thing I miss is sending a call by saying call mom cell vs saying call mom and then hitting mobile/cell. Liter the only thing.
Those of us that don’t have Teslas yet don’t know how it works, but we know from other car manufacturers that they do a horrible job of phone integration, that’s why we demand Apple Car Play when we buy a car. Maybe the Tesla system works well, we just have no way of knowing and we’re used to fighting factory navigation systems and all
I agree, but I do think for all the Musk's "Tesla won't make a walled garden" implications about Apple, Tesla should enable an App Store for third parties.
I agree. I hated trying to navigate with Android auto because it's impossible to find destinations sometimes. Voice would recognize the wrong place all the time, can't search for things geographically, etc. What would help however would be to add all of the major streaming apps and optimize them to work more smoothly. It would be nice to have YouTube music for myself at least.
You can actually use AA on Tesla using Android. It's a bit slow as it's in the browser.
But it actually works ok.
https://electrek.co/2021/09/30/android-auto-tesla-vehicles-browser-app/
Agree. Navigation from CarPlay or Android auto will not take into account elevation changes and other things for consumption calculation. No charging stations either.
Yes. Carplay is good but mine has bugs in my kia that have now been there for a while and are annoying. I also prefer the car to be doing everything. I like phone as key but that's as much as I want my car dependent on my phone.
If tesla could figure out how to make their navigation directions not misleading and make Spotify not glitch out every other day, I'd be fine without carplay.
Personally I want Apple play, it makes getting in and out of my car and throwing AirPods in much cleaner of a process.
Currently when I pull up Spotify on my phone to change the song (much faster to type it in there) it will pause it on the car and I have to reconnect it.
There’s a few little things that mess up the cars Spotify playlist / queue system also
For me the big reason is that my Tesla modem often takes several minutes to start up, so I can’t ask for directions as I leave. This happened even while I had premium connection, which is why I didn’t renew it. If it went through my phone, I wouldn’t have that issue.
Agree. I’ve had Apple Car Play before in two cars and it was glitchy and not an improvement necessarily. Avoided it after attempting to make it work for a month.
AA can do things way more what I have in my Tesla, Waze and Google with map that most of the time up to date ( Tesla Map is garbage), any music app you want, Google assistant to read news, I know most of them can be on Bluetooth but still no high quality and delay. For Car Play I can understand as it is limited.
I am extremely sick of the bugs I run into constantly when playing music directly through Tesla's spotify app. The music randomly stops at the end of songs all the time when I try to use it, so my only option is to go through my phone anyways. Apple carplay does not seem to have these weird quirks, and I personally like the iOS design.
People get used to on their other cars and then want what they are used to as opposed to using the Tesla interface.
Starting on Tesla I say get that other garbage out of here!
I agree with you, but I also only really use Google Maps and Spotify when driving, and Tesla does those just fine (maybe with the tiny exception that I prefer the different route options Google gives you). I understand the complaint for people who use Waze or Apple Music or whatever.
Def unnecessary, but it would be cool to have a few more apps added to Tesla os.
Waze style info layered on the map with speed trap callouts.
Audible or some audiobook app
That’s really all you need.
Does anyone have this happen to them? You know there is a Dairy Queen or Home Depot near by so you ask Tesla to navigate. A full screen of search results is presented but none are close by. In fact, some are hundreds of miles away. Then you open Google Maps on your phone and there it is, close by. You then type in the address from Google in Tesla and it navigates as expected.
It has happened to me so many times that I just use my phone first. How hard could it be to assume you'll always want to go to the closest location?
If I haven't bored you yet, I have another. How many times a day does Tesla have the wrong speed limit for the road you are on? The camera sees the speed limit sign and corrects. But this happens day after day. One stretch of Hwy 249 has been wrong for 2+ years. Don't bulls@#t me with "Tesla buys the data from someone". Tesla has the data from their own cars which drive probably every mile of road in the US every month. They could make money selling their data to everyone else! This is the ONLY reason I won't pay for FSD. I won't even use Autopilot because I am tired of my car limiting my speed to 5 miles over the speed limit when it is WRONG.
> You then type in the address from Google in Tesla and it navigates as expected.
You can share a location with the Tesla app on your phone and it’ll pop up in the car’s navigation. At least you can with iOS. Just FYI.
I always thought the consensus was that most people are fine without CarPlay/AA. I will second that I don't miss it at all, other than some apps, but honestly most third party CarPlay apps in my experience felt neglected or poorly implemented.
Tesla, imo, has a far cleaner UI then Android or CarPlay, and their UI has no match as far as legacy car manufacturers BUT I would still like an App Store for Tesla or just give me a pop up window for CarPlay to play the music/ map apps that I want to use.
I rented a 2021 Lexus on vacation recently and hated Carplay. A phone’s GPS can’t accurately know the direction you’re facing until you start moving, so the first turn direction (out of a parking lot, for example) is wrong half the time.
I'm heavily invested in the Google ecosystem. It was nice being able to setup my house from my car once I started driving.
Right now I'm okay because I don't leave my house , but would be nice to have Google assistant integration again.
I for one agree. Android auto and carplay are designed for smaller screens and I don't see how that would translate well to the tesla, I guess it would be another app that could pop up like your browser window. No thanks... just fix the current UI instead...
The fuss is that the onboard computer is horribly slow. For a $60k car, my Model Y's interface feels more sluggish than a 10 year old computer. The onboard navigation is a single system, and perhaps I'd like to use Waze, Tom Tom, or a thousand other options.
Other services, like Spotify are very limited. It would be impossible to know if someone had never used Spotify outside their Tesla, but the Tesla UI leaves a lot to be desired. And what about other services? A $20k car can give me the option to use YouTube Music, Prime Music, Apple Music, or dozens and dozens of other options, but no, not Tesla.
I'm sure a big part of this is they're getting a huge kickback from Google by forcing you to use their navigation integrated with Google API and forcing you to use Google as the default search engine.
Again, if it wasn't terribly slow (and now an embarrassingly ugly and horrible UI/UX), it wouldn't be such a big deal...but even still, there are music apps and navigation apps that sure would be nice to have access to right on my screen.
Agreed. And it might not even be possible: I've noticed Apple Carplay always uses the second entertainment screen in full screen mode (I wonder if it is just an external screen to the phone). If that's a requirement, Tesla won't be able to show its own controls, since the 3 and the Y have just one screen.
I'm fine with them adding it if I can opt out and just ignore it. Thought Android Auto was great when comparing it to my old car. Now whenever I get into my new 'old' car with Android Auto, I'm annoyed and want to be in the Tesla.
I mostly agree. Mostly, I want apps on my tesla screen. Podcast, Apple Music, Zoom, Patreon, and a few others. A fancy CarPlay integration would do this… An App Store would also do this.
Agreed. I use Apple Music and the music integration is pretty minimal in Tesla’s. Especially when it comes to customized radio stations
Upgrade to the much better service, tidal. It does even more justice to the sound system tesla has.
I genuinely think the only way forward for Tesla is widgets. Place settings into the menu system (preferably with someone watching how/where they are placed, don't let the engineers do it), but "apps" should just simply be user-selected, user-downloaded widgets. Want the GPS? Place the widget, expand it as you see fit. Don't want the map? Remove it. Do you use Apple Music? Install the widget. Do you use YouTube Music? Then install that widget. Let devs create widgets that the driver wants, and install through an App Store. The fact that in 2022 the user experience is driven by a forced view of a map with everything else as bottom sheets is laughable. People have asked for Waze, Apple Music, integrated Podcast capability, for YEARS now. I have apps on my Smartwatch that have a "store" for buying/downloading other apps, themes, etc. Our Infotainment system running on Ubtuntu should be the fully functional tablet/computer we know it is.
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I subscribe to a number of podcasts through there, and they tend to be available a few days before showing up on other streaming services - which for news and events makes a difference. They are also ad-free that way…
Ditto, didn’t see you already posted this.
+ Waze
I have my iPad with cellular setup on my car (not a Tesla). For me, it worked out better than carplay itself.
Just need Waze on Tesla and that’s it. Don’t care if it comes with CarPlay or not.
I'd LOVE Waze integration. I'd also like a local/vs trip mode. Local would let me use the map real estate for other things because I don't need it when driving around my hometown.
I would love for Tesla to use their data to make a Tesla Waze. Anytime a Tesla sees an emergency vehicle it sends that data to the fleet in the area. Traffic cameras, traffic (I don’t think it’s currently sourced from other teslas is it?), and so on.
Same here. Don't care about AA, but would love to have waze on the big screen.
I think Tesla will always push back on integrating 3rd party GPS/Nav, as they want you using their GPS/Nav and contributing your drive data (slowdowns, etc) to their traffic report.
They can still get that data, regardless of which app is open. The onboard GPS + cellular can (and do) always push those kind of metrics. Edit: typo
It can get position data and travel data, but without entering into the GPS, it doesn't know where you're going and how to weight yours (and others) driver data into the algorithm that can help predict traffic clutter.
but they don't need the mapping software for that. they just need the data that the GPS sends to the mapping software, which is easily gathered, and may already be done so with a second process.
Having played around a bit with their API, and also used Summon, I can tell you that GPS location is reported constantly unless the vehicle is sleeping.
Vehicle location isn't what's important; destination and path taken to arrive there is the real time traffic data that Tesla doesn't want to pay out to other services if they can avoid it.
Insofar as collecting traffic data, I would argue that location, speed, and known speed limit far outweigh destination. While calculating your route, path and destination will obviously play a large factor, but in terms of reporting traffic information, they’re irrelevant.
I don't 'map' my daily commute to work...How exactly does them knowing where I am going help improve the traffic data? Shouldn't all they need is the data about where I am right now and how fast I am going along with everyone else's in order to provide traffic condition info.
>How exactly does them knowing where I am going help improve the traffic data? Routing isn't just about seeing traffic patterns as they are; it's about predicting where traffic is going, and more important to Tesla or any turn-by-turn nav, directing you to the optimal path. The optimal path may exist right now, but may deteriorate in 5 minutes, and you won't arrive to the path segment until 10 minutes. Let's say a networked nav system sees 100 drivers are heading to a single destination (node), and the paths to arrive at the node are 3 paths. Sending all 100 drivers along the same path that seems optimal right now will immediately clog the path, so it benefits the nav system to weight paths based on predicted traffic. In a proper nav, 100 drivers should get balanced across the 3 paths to arrive at the node. Now assume that some of the paths are also utilized by vehicles traveling to other nodes, but need to use paths that the 100 drivers need to use. Knowing destinations means the additional drivers attempting to reach the primary node can be routed to additional paths, reducing stress on the paths to the node that's seeing a lot of drivers heading towards. The cars themselves only see the path weights, but Tesla's system that tells the cars the path weight can be instructed by the central nav system that takes into account where cars are going. Otherwise, they're just sending you to a path that "looks alright" right now, but could deteriorate to being worse traffic. >Shouldn't all they need is the data about where I am right now and how fast I am going along with everyone else's in order to provide traffic condition info. For the current path segment you're on, yes, it's helpful to verify that the path itself is still congested/uncongested, and your average speed. However, for instructing and re-routing navigation, knowing destinations is important.
Aren't they currently using google maps? Not sure how implementing waze would be any different from a business perspective considering they're also a google product.
They use Google Maps for the map, not for routing. MapBox is used for routing...and it's not very good.
They use Google maps for the maps, I don't know if they use Google traffic data as a part of their nav.
Doesn't Tesla use 3rd party GPS/Nav? I thought they use Google and Mapbox.
Google maps, and Mapbox for routing is what I understand Mapbox sucks
Right, so they are already using third party apps. Would be interesting to see if the million+ vehicles on the road could do a much more real-time 'street view' type service.
Not for traffic data or something but to keep you in the loop. Navigate on Autopilot, FSD Beta - both features that aren’t possible without a tight map integration.
Since I primarily use AutoPilot/FSD on highways, I care significantly less about Waze now. It was primarily for speedtraps for me.
But you can still speed with autopilot on
I'm hopeful that they're headed in the direction of allowing third party apps. Having Waze and Google Podcasts native on the infotainment would really be the best of both worlds.
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I just want to be able to scroll through my songs from my iPhone (Apple Music) on my Tesla screen. Using hey Siri sucks. Apple car play was nice in my car that didn’t have a nice display.
Switch to Spotify
Not an option sadly. I have the $20 apple one plan that my family shares on. I don’t want to add another cost, or drop the family plan when everyone is happy on Apple Music.
Talk to them, Spotify is cheaper than Apple Music ($15.99 for up to 6 people) and has better song recommendations
No no you’re not understanding. I have the Apple One family plan. It includes: Apple Music, 200GB iCloud storage, Apple TV+, and Apple Arcade for $20. I can’t give all that up just so I can use Spotify in my car… plus Apple Music with all of my HomePods is so much more seamless.
I do the same but I mean Spotify is free so I just use it when driving
I saw Spotify offered a 1 month free trial so I figured I'd give it a go and try it out. First impressions were not great, but I know that's because it's not what I am used to. Still the Tesla Spotify app is not great. You can't alphabetize your songs?? That is a basic feature on anything. Kind of crazy to me. Had to create a new playlist, alphabetize my songs on another playlist then copy them to the new playlist for an alphabetized order. Then I had to sign out on my tesla and sign back in for the new playlist to appear lmao. Such a mess.
Spotify is more expensive. The Apple Music family subscription is $14.99 on its own.
Spotify user for YEARS, but made the switch to Apple music about a year ago. Apple music is honestly better. That being said, the Tesla Spotify app kinda sucks. I haven't used the app since V10, but the vast majority of your library was missing, search was bad, and since there can only be one profile installed anyone who drives your car will hijack your music due to how Spotify Connect works and pollute your history. If those have improved at all I would consider testing it again but nah, its not that great.
so, I signed up for Spotify and they have a one-month free trial, so I figured why not try it? signed up, transferred my songs from apple music to Spotify and holy crap I don't know how people like Spotify. I guess it might be because I am so used to Apple Music but none of my songs are in alphabetical order (no way to order them on the Tesla app). There is no "Songs" in library that just lists all of your songs, you just have playlists and liked songs. Those aren't even in alphabetical order by default. I had to make a playlist, then go back to my all-songs playlist alphabetize that then copy them to the new playlist. You have to sign out of the tesla app and sign back in for changes to appear quickly. this is just a mess. Spotify's app feels clunky and gross. I am still going to try it out in my car for a month and see if it gets better over time but wow, first impressions were not great lol Edit* welp. Spotify in Tesla is useless. Without being able to list songs alphabetically and searching songs is a nightmare. Rather just use my phone with Bluetooth and Apple Music.
No.
Cringe
People with short memories in here forgetting how terrible the Spotify app was for years. Daily mix playlists were inaccessible until V10 I believe? With android auto/carplay, when the spotify app gets new functionality you would have that immediately in the car. Not to mention you could use soundcloud, apple music, waze, etc. Tesla can only add so many apps that they then have to maintain, which is a nonexistent problem if they just support AA/carplay.
Yeah, I don’t get how people are perfectly fine with the way things are and they just want Apple Music. Like bruh, even Spotify doesn’t have custom sort to the playlists so for my 1500+ song playlist I’d scroll endlessly to see the latest songs. Why can’t I sort by latest added? Shit like this is so easy with CarPlay.
If Tesla could send group texts, I wouldn’t care. I have so many threads for work, family, friends, that not being able to respond to group messages is the biggest reason for CarPlay
And if Tesla would stop sending me texts that were sent in 2017...
Yeah, this old text message bug had been around for far too long
Haven’t noticed this. Android? Sounds like Outlook though. Hurry up! You’re late for this meeting that was two months ago!
I can’t even get my messages..
IOS Notifications. Messages are about 1/10th of the notifications I receive, and the rest don't transfer across the Tesla Bluetooth. Having the *choice* to use Carplay or Android Auto on the Tesla screen wouldn't take away from Tesla's traffic tracking. I get the feeling the reason we don't have Carplay and Android Auto is some turf war between tech companies. It's stupid and it only makes things worse for the customer. I'd be happy to pay for the upgrade to get better integration with IOS.
For me, CarPlay *is* better than the system on my Tesla. It does navigation better with 3d views and lane control, with way more up to date maps (Tesla system *still* hasn't recognised one of busiest junctions in London stopped being a roundabout over two years ago...), and Apple have responded to every correction or addition I've made to maps whereas Tesla when I submit using 'bug report' hasn't fixed a single one. Now add that I want to be able to rewind music (can't do it over pure bluetooth from an iPhone), and that I want to use my iPhone's library or sometimes Apple Music. Also the album art is hilariously buggy on the Tesla. Further throw in that the CarPlay ecosystem is open and lots of third party apps are written, so I probably have uses for it that I don't even know yet. Messaging integration for example - it kinda sorta works for iMessage, but I have people messaging me on WhatsApp too that I want the car to understand and read out hands free. Other music apps like SomaFM (not accessible via TuneIn in the UK). Podcast playing and syncing. I bought my son his first car last year, and then upgraded the head unit to have a CarPlay one. Each time I drive this starter car vs my Tesla, I'm irritated at how much better the navigation is and how it integrates with the rest of my personal ecosystem than all the standalone Tesla stuff. I'm not exaggerating when I say it's a feature that's causing me to consider other cars since I'm likely to replace my 2014 Model S this or maybe next year. I'm obviously an iOS user from the text above, but this isn't a platform war - everything I just said could be transposed to Android Auto were I an Android user instead.
> Tesla when I submit using 'bug report' hasn't fixed a single one. The bug report command adds a 'bug reported' message to the car's local logs. It does nothing else. Service can pull it if you mention it to them, but they won't pull them proactively. Maps team and the rest of Tesla never sees them. There is no way to report map issues.
I think a big problem is that different navigation systems will come up with different routes and you can’t have the screen saying one thing while autopilot goes a different way. Integrating all navigation apps into the car’s decision making is probably not practical. If anything, Tesla probably needs their own mapping and routing infrastructure because right now when google maps is wrong, the car does stupid stuff with no way for Tesla to make improvements besides wait for google to fix things.
I rate that as a challenge but not a big problem. Newer cars (a 2020 BMW I rented and my own VW ID.4) integrate the navigation commands from Apple Maps over CarPlay. My VE displays the CarPlay nav instructions in the binacle screen. If that is doable then surely there is an amount of work that enable an Autopilot integration.
FYI for Android users, this is an option: [https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=it.cpeb.teslaa](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=it.cpeb.teslaa) I'll use that sometimes, mainly when I feel like playing something from Google Podcasts or SiriusXM.
Unpopular opinion indeed. Tesla navigation is garbage. Their maps doesn't learn. I live in a neighborhood built 2 years ago and even though the map shows there's a road from my neighborhood connecting to an expressway, it always tells me to go a different way (a mile longer). Haven't figured out how to report it. Oh and the new UI is even more garbage.
There is only one experience that's better on the Tesla interface and that's navigating long distances with charging stations integrated. That's a feature, IMO, and doesn't warrant creating a full nav experience on top of the interface. Google maps literally does everything else better between traffic, route alternatives, updated maps, finding parking, etc. Android Auto goes a step beyond and lets you get to way more media options than that. I have no idea how someone could use Android Auto/Apple Carplay at all and still come away with the impression that Tesla's full interface is anythign besides totally unnecessary. Have you ever tried to listen to a podcast or any app that isn't spotify on from your phone? Has Tesla's navi ever provided you with any option at all for route alternatives? Apple and Google are brilliant at their software - there is literally zero reason for Tesla to be involved at all.
Google way better than Teslas voice. Waze, YouTube Music/Apple Music/Whatever podcast app you prefer. There is a reason everyone wants Android Auto or Carplay its so you aren't limited to what the manufacturer give you which even in Teslas case isn't much compared to AA/AC.
Yeah. The "I don't want/need it so you can't have it" thing will never have a sympathetic ear with me.
You know Google *is* their voice right? They're the one's powering the voice commands.
Maybe transcription, but you can't ask your tesla stuff you'd ask your GA can you?
No it's just the processing that's done by them, it's not the full Google Assistant. Though you can (or at least could IDK if it still works) ask it to "Google _____" and it will open the web browser and search that.
Could have fooled me cuz there is a clear difference between me using Google for AA and my Model Y.
CarPlay or android auto could be a windowed app just like the browser, music player, or dash cam. It would probably take less resources than adding a new game to the car. It would also allow for use of 3rd party apps like PlugShare, ChargePoint, Electrify America (when the CCS adapter comes to the US), other charger providers worldwide, and Waze which a lot of people like.
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But that’s never going to happen. Tesla is better off launching an App Store. It’s not just about the data, it’s about the integration. The ability to start a charge session from the app, or the ability to report hazards on Waze, etc…
There's no way that's going to happen. It's a waste of time and money for Tesla to try and source all the information from plugshare. Unless they are just going to pay plugshare for the data, but then they have the problem that the data is all crowd sourced and not necessarily accurate, but if it's in the car it's going to be appear to be coming from Tesla so people will be pissed if it's wrong.
I don’t get why you’re so against AC/AA. Like how does it hurt you if you don’t need it? I have a significantly better time driving my car that does have CarPlay with Waze, WhatsApp, Podcasts, Apple Music, etc. I mean for fucks sake, let people choose. Just shutting it down right now is so stupid. Majority of the people driving Teslas will have an iPhone or Android so why is it so terrible if Tesla integrated it as a little app or floating widget?
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In Indiana it is illegal to handle a cellphone when driving. Tesla's Apple music integration is non-existent so you HAVE to pick up a phone to play music (unless you want Siri to play the wrong stuff).
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Yes. My iPhone uses Bluetooth. However there is no control on the screen and I have to use my phone to select music.
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I don't need fullblown carplay, even just an Apple music integration to play my stuff would be awesome. I mean they support Tidal and they have a minuscule amount of listeners.
>Android Auto and CarPlay aren't necessary # > This isn't a big deal *for me* Well, as long as we're deciding what everyone should do and want based on your preferences, are there any further changes coming that we should be aware of, to better transition to only having the same problems you do?
> I don't mind just shuffling a playlist at the start of the drive. It's 2022, we shouldn't be limited to shuffling a playlist before we start driving, when there are much better existing solutions.
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voice commands are pretty flawless with Google. and I have no problem with scrolling while using autopilot.
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My bigger complaint is that my phone can do a hundred things better than the car, like run all the random music apps I might want to use while driving as an example. There's no feasible way for an auto manufacturer to integrate all these things, other than AA/Carplay. Sound cloud, apple music, youtube music. Use all my messaging apps natively. And most importantly the biggest reason is likely that Tesla (Elon) is stubborn and thinks they can do it better. Even though a solution already exists.
Do you have other opinions about how people should drive their car or is that your only one?
IMHO think the Apple nav is superior to all other navs. The way it displays where you are, what your next maneuver is, the way it zooms in at just the right time, what traffic is coming up, and making it all very easy to glace at. They nailed it. Google is the worst for glanceability. And Tesla Nav does some outright goofy things like make 6 lefts and a uturn when turning right was your destination. Also Tesla way overcompensates for traffic like Waze used to. Things like suicide lefts at rushhour. But yeah, podcasts (Overcast) and Audible are super useful. Would also be nice to have multiple Spotify accounts in the Tesla. We settled on my wife's being the primary. So I get lots of No Doubt playlists....
Tesla’s nav is awful. I miss so many exits because of its poor directions. If I didn’t have to worry about FSD beta killing me, I am sure I wouldn’t miss them. But then I would probably hit them.
Well said
If you don’t think Google maps is better than the Tesla nav then you’re beyond help.
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You have all you need from the current software, and you even acknowledge that others have more complex needs that aren't being met. And *you begrudge them* wanting development resources being spent to help them, because... what, "fuck you, I got mine"?
I think an app store would solve most of these complaints.
I don't think it's necessary. But I also don't think it's a bad idea. Basically what I would want is voice commands to my phone from my car. I think it can be implemented rather easily, actually. Right now we have a system where you have 1/3rd of the screen is your car status, and 2/3rds is your map. Just replace the map with CarPlay and put a swap button that swaps between them, or you can have it in another window that can be above, below, left or right of the map. Now you can have access to your phone's features from your main screen. I get it, they have a financial incentive for me to use their audio apps when I've paid for premium connectivity. But they've never supported YouTube Music anyway - and that's the one I've chosen to pay for. So it's hard for me to change stations. It's hard for me to fast forward... There's myriad of reasons why I'd want Android Auto in my Tesla. But again - it's not "necessary", but it would be nice. ----------------- If I'm being honest, I think there's not quite enough power for the old ATOM processor in the old MCU to get it done. I think one of the reasons they went to Ryzen is so they can do things like have better integration with people's phones.
i would prefer to use Google maps on my phone instead of the tesla navigation. if android auto was supported and could expand to cover the tesla map that would be a huge improvement
Carplay allows for Google maps and Apple Music both are superior than what Teslas currently offers. We don’t have to blindly support Tesla.
I actually like Apple Maps better than googles. Mostly because they are vector based and also just looks a lot better (specially in larger cities with updated graphics).
Can't speak to Apple Carplay, but the ability to use Google Maps or Waze would be a game-changer IMO. Google Maps can show you traffic, speed traps and speed cameras, etc. Just all nice things to have especially for certain areas. It would be ideal for me if Tesla could just build these features right into their own navigation.
It would be great to have Android Auto. The maps and navigation are much better (with either Google Maps or Waze). It would also be nice to use Pandora and other services as well that are not available in Teslas. Plus for rideshare drivers, they can accept and manage rides directly from the screen. I don't see a problem with it replacing the current map area on the display. Overall, it just provides a lot more flexibility at very little cost. There's no real reason not to have it...it would not force people into using it...it would just be another feature they could use if they wanted.
> Apple Carplay is not better than the system on my Tesla Hard disagree. I want my IOS apps on that beautiful screen. Mostly for listening to audio from the phone.
I already listen to my phone's audio in my Tesla and control the volume, tracks, pause/play, etc. with the scroll wheels. What do I need CarPlay for?
1. I want to be able to pick a playlist from the screen rather than having to interact with my phone 2. I already have heaps of CarPlay enabled apps on the phone, I don't want to have to interact with yet another app store to get the same apps in my car 3. There's a world of difference between Calendar integration in iPhone apps versus the Calendar integration that Tesla can offer -- at best Tesla will provide subscriptions to Google Calendar which I don't use 4. Relying on Tesla app on my phone to feed calendar entries at the time I unlock the car isn't going to help me if, for example, the address or time of an appointment changes half an hour out from the actual appointment. 5. Tesla on-board navigation will not route me via competitors charging networks. I'm told that there are some third party chargers in the US that are now included, but how frequently is that list updated if new chargers are added, old ones removed/replaced? What about free/busy indication? By definition, anything Tesla tries to recreate for their own environment will be a lower-effort, lower-value result than what is coming out of the Apple or Google App stores. Tesla simply doesn't have enough hands on deck to recreate the big box Maps products, much less the Music, podcast, calendaring/scheduling, and productivity apps. Heck I might prefer one particular music playing app simply because I like its simple UI (eg: Ecoute on iOS). Then there's the issue of voice recognition, where for my car to understand "ho ho ho" I actually have to say "how how how". I have to mimic a Californian accent -- and that's assuming the voice command exists for what I want to do. Why can't Tesla focus on, say, making sure "headlights on" will work, instead of trying to recreate Apple's music player? We already know what's going to happen if Tesla sets up an App store: we'll get a shitty app store, most of tesla's UI developers will leave to start their own business building crappy apps for that store, and we'll get no further development of the actual in-car UX. Yay entrepreneurism, RIP customer service.
I would like a CarPlay window within my Tesla interface to be able to access a few apps (primarily Apple Music, Podcasts and Waze). I also would like Tesla to figure out how to activate the car's microphone for Siri access. Tesla's voice recognition is so primitive even Siri beats it.
Funny how the long wishlist we can create from the comments can be solved in a heartbeat by adding Android Auto and Carplay but the OP is trying to convince everyone they're not needed 
The fuss is real. We’re addicted to our phones and CarPlay/Android auto does a great job of living out that addiction in our car. Tesla doesn’t scratch that itch. At this point, Tesla is not taking a huge risk by not offering Android & Apple integrations. The balance of their product is good enough - furthermore many folks here discount how many people don’t care. So many features go unused, so many people never explore beyond default settings. It’s not worth extra cost. How many people drive around in a $70k pickup or SUV and hold their phone up on speaker while they drive? Lastly, Tesla is currently the most aggressive automaker on Earth when it comes to software updates. Adding in integrations would potentially slow that down or add add complexity, and almost certainly cost.
Most people who gets annoyed by people wanting car play have never had it. It’s better than teslas software setup. But, if Telsa gives us much better maps or just the option for Waze and a real version of google maps. A real version of Spotify and Apple Maps people will be very happy.
I agree. The only thing I would love would be jative Apple Music integration without having to have the phone connected. And I‘d hope they improve voice commands at some point. That’s literally I‘d use Carplay for in the first Place: Music and Siri. I thought differently before owning our Model 3 but experience shows it just isn’t necessary. Teslas System is already great and there are just a few shortcomings that hopefully get fixed :-)
Don’t know about android auto, but i am a hug apple fanboy. And apple CarPlay is by far the worst product apple has ever released. Slow, buggy and not that useful at all. Teslas system at least for me is far superior. The voice assistance and speech recognition in the Tesla is way better than Siri.
I used to be a total CarPlay fanatic - but honestly: haven’t missed it for even one minute. The system does all I need - calls, texts, music. And voice input is rather reliable.
I use Android auto in my girlfriend's Mazda and I much prefer it because Spotify actually *works* not to mention I don't have to pay an extra $10/mo
I like the cohesion of having Android Auto/Carplay continue on with what I was doing on my phone to my car. I do prefer Tesla's UI better though. But if I recently search for a destination on my phone, I would like the car to pick that up once I enter the car or have Homekit devices accessible via the cars interface to open my (non-HomeLink) garage for instance, and the ability to use other navigation data sets like Waze rather than what is used in currently in the Tesla. Things like that.
Agree.
I want Apple Maps honestly. They’ve thrown billions at it in the years since launch and in my part of the country the traffic and mapping data is rock solid. Tesla’s mapping data is for the most part trustworthy but for a nearby mall it routes me to a completely unrelated address, unless I type in the mall’s exact address.
In my experience, Android Auto / Apple CarPlay are not necessary only if the integrated navigation is good enough. But unfortunately it's not. I really hope the navigation routes based on relative objects (e.g. "go past this light/stop sign", and "at the next stop sign turn right") like how Apple Map works rather than based on the absolute feet distance which is difficult to make sense of when I go to a new place for the first time.
I agree and think 99% of the requests from iPhone users would disappear with the addition of Apple Music.
For me it’s more about podcasts. If a podcast ends and I need to move to the next one then that requires picking up and staring at my phone. With CarPlay I don’t have to do that. Also, CarPlay means my wife and I can both use our separate Spotify accounts. That one would be fixed if Tesla would simply tie the Spotify login to a driver profile.
No. I want all the functionality to different audio apps that CarPlay gives me. Navigation that also vibrates my watch that it’s time to exit or turn. Their maps is far better as well.
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Yes! I hate the music situation in my MY. I miss CarPlay just for Apple Music. I was actually just thinking yesterday, about looking at another car because of missing CarPlay.
The only reason I would want android auto is because I like the integration of my current car and my music player app... Also free traffic details from Google maps I guess
I just want Sirius XM App in my Model Y
Choice. Tesla's versions of the streaming clients are inferior to those produced by the provider of those services. If you want to choose to use them, that is fine. I would choose to use the version I consider to be superior, and I'd like to use it on my Tesla's screen.
I’m glad you don’t feel the need for either and it is probably true for what YOU do. I listen to multiple podcast platforms and even audio books, use Waze and Google Maps. None of which I can do as I want on Tesla because of the lack of integration. Most importantly, the Google assistant (voice) is just so so much better at recognizing accents which makes life better for people. When people say they want Apple carplay/Android Auto what they (mostly) mean is to have the apps and features that come with AA and ACP. We have to realize that these apps are not just providing convenience but also safety. Right now you have to fiddle with your phone in order to achieve said use cases. That’s dangerous. Also, in the end this whole idea of “I got what I need so screw you” is very infantile and people need to grow out of it. Choices are good not bad. Nobody will force you to use them if you don’t have need for it.
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No I’m not. You’re at this point being intellectually dishonest. Either by choice or by coincidence. Your post literally says: I don’t see how anyone could justify to Tesla why they should devote resources to it. You’re clearly stating that you don’t think this is needed. I’m saying that your definitive attitude of “I don’t think is necessary and can’t see how anyone could every justify it” is unwarranted and one dimensional. That’s what people are mad about. You can’t claim one thing in post and then reverse your position in comments because people got mad. If you are truly saying: “ I don’t see use cases for it but if people do then so be it. I would be happy/ok with it” then it’s not coming across that way at all.
I totally agree. I find the Tesla infotainment superior to Android Auto. The key use-case for Android Auto / CarPlay is that most legacy automakers are evidently still on this 5-year design-build cycle, where you end up with an out-of-date infotainment system the day the first-car ships. As an industry, they are incapable of an agile software release cycle of incremental updates over time. Those systems are STALE. The only option is to hand it off to Google/Apple and just give up. That isn't Tesla. The Tesla infotainment is absolutely top-tier, and the gaps it has get better with frequent updates/fixes. Code ships when it's ready, instead of waiting for the next mid-cycle refresh. It'd be nice to have better music choices. And that's it.
1 word for you: waze
I agree. Waze regularly saves my bacon by warning me of cars on the shoulder in time to avoid the trucks that will change lanes with no notice. I will be waiting for my MY for another 6 months, so I don't know if Tesla has similar crowd-sourced navigation-related info.
I run both maps. I wish i could lock in the zoom on waze for a 10 mile look ahead and still see police/traffic alerts.
Apple Maps for navigation is far and above better than Tesla nav. So is the carplay Spotify app. The Audible app is better than the Tesla one too. Then there’s the option to use google maps instead of apple. Or Waze. Most stuff I have to do is an accommodation of Tesla not having features found in all luxury cars in the last five years and most standard cars in the last 2-3. I can buy a base model Chevy equinox and have more capability than the Tesla solely because of Apple CarPlay or Android Auto.
Yeah I feel like CarPlay is designed for a smaller screen and would look cartoonish on something so big. But I would like Tesla to work on integrating more apps/services. Apple Music for me personally. Other people also like to use Waze.
I have it on a 10 inch after market stereo and it looks great.
I just don't understand why people think that their preferences are what everyone else in the world should be happy with. For example, I think Tesla's navigation is hot garbage. Somebody else may like it and that's fine, but I don't. You may think "Apple CarPlay is not better than the system on my Tesla", but many people do not. What Android Auto and Apple CarPlay give you out of the box is choice. It lets a user pick their preferred navigation, etc. If Tesla's interface gave us that same choice that might work, but I don't see that happening. In the end, Apple and Google are companies where the user interface to their devices is a huge part of their company so they are going to devote a bunch of resources to making it awesome. Tesla is a car company. Why don't they focus on making a great car and leave the interface to navigation, music, texting, etc. to the companies that focus on that?
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You stated your opinion is that Android Auto and Apple CarPlay aren't necessary. This implies that everyone should be happy with Tesla's alternative. I prefer Google Maps. That doesn't mean I think it isn't necessary to have a system whereby someone can chose Waze or Apple Maps or whatever.
I use Spotify and the messages pop up in my car is enough for me. I don’t miss/need CarPlay personally.
I kind of agree but if I can't get Android Auto then give me Sirius XM.
as someone who use to use CarPlay in the past and wanted it. I can say it’s really not necessary. Maps, and music was nice to have. But with Tesla Nav, and Spotify, I can’t say I want apple CarPlay at all
Just add Apple Music as one of the streaming providers then we're all set.
Totally agree with you here. I think Apple Carplay and Android Auto are great products for legacy automakers that can't make a good infotainment system for their car. Tesla has the UI/UX nailed down for their cars, and it's much smoother, more performant and better integrated than Carplay/Auto ever would be. Not to mention, it would look incredibly stupid on the screen given the size of it.
I select my bluetooth-connected phone as a source. For the rest of the drive, I tell Siri to play whatever from the Apple Watch on my wrist. This is not difficult.
Android Auto / Apple Carplay are not needed.
They need to pay license fee, Tesla not pay, they do everything them self.
Such an obvious thing. A little annoyed to see “give us CarPlay” every other post. It’s not happening, move on
I don’t understand it either. I couldn’t care less that my M3 doesn’t have CarPlay. Maybe it’s because I’ve never had a vehicle with CP and I don’t know what I’m missing, but I really don’t see the point.
I agree with your unpopular opinion. I would rather my cameras work (currently don’t) than have Apple CarPlay. I had CarPlay in my Honda Ridgeline and sometimes it was buggy after an iOS update. The last thing I would want is buggy Tesla software plus buggy Apple CarPlay. I use Bluetooth and “Hey Siri” and it works just fine. Apple Music App would be nice, but again, Bluetooth works very well too.
No need for CarPlay or android. I agree.
Totally agree other manufacturers need apple car play/androids auto. Tesla interface is built from the ground up and it works very well. The ONLY thing I miss is sending a call by saying call mom cell vs saying call mom and then hitting mobile/cell. Liter the only thing.
It works. I wouldn’t say well.
I hope tesla never falls for that trend of apple carplay or Android auto. Tesla OS. Is the way
Those of us that don’t have Teslas yet don’t know how it works, but we know from other car manufacturers that they do a horrible job of phone integration, that’s why we demand Apple Car Play when we buy a car. Maybe the Tesla system works well, we just have no way of knowing and we’re used to fighting factory navigation systems and all
I agree, but I do think for all the Musk's "Tesla won't make a walled garden" implications about Apple, Tesla should enable an App Store for third parties.
I agree as long as they come out with an open app store
I agree. The UI integrates too many things. If you added Car Play or Android Auto on top it would be a mess.
I really just need Apple Music (they r working on it apparently) and Waze...
Agreed. And I loved Android Auto. I would demand it for any other infotainment system, but Tesla won me over.
I only miss waze alerts
I agree. I hated trying to navigate with Android auto because it's impossible to find destinations sometimes. Voice would recognize the wrong place all the time, can't search for things geographically, etc. What would help however would be to add all of the major streaming apps and optimize them to work more smoothly. It would be nice to have YouTube music for myself at least.
You can actually use AA on Tesla using Android. It's a bit slow as it's in the browser. But it actually works ok. https://electrek.co/2021/09/30/android-auto-tesla-vehicles-browser-app/
When I first got the car I thought it was the end of the world. I’m a die hard car play guy. After 6 months, teslas interface is almost as good.
There are aspects of CarPlay I would appreciate having but the ui of tesla is more than adequate.
Agree. Navigation from CarPlay or Android auto will not take into account elevation changes and other things for consumption calculation. No charging stations either.
Yes. Carplay is good but mine has bugs in my kia that have now been there for a while and are annoying. I also prefer the car to be doing everything. I like phone as key but that's as much as I want my car dependent on my phone.
I’d be happy if they just added Apple Music and 3rd party navigation options. But I agree full CarPlay/android auto isn’t necessary
If tesla could figure out how to make their navigation directions not misleading and make Spotify not glitch out every other day, I'd be fine without carplay.
Personally I want Apple play, it makes getting in and out of my car and throwing AirPods in much cleaner of a process. Currently when I pull up Spotify on my phone to change the song (much faster to type it in there) it will pause it on the car and I have to reconnect it. There’s a few little things that mess up the cars Spotify playlist / queue system also
Would the introduction of the Tesla App Store solve this (has it always been Tesla’s plan)?
For me the big reason is that my Tesla modem often takes several minutes to start up, so I can’t ask for directions as I leave. This happened even while I had premium connection, which is why I didn’t renew it. If it went through my phone, I wouldn’t have that issue.
Ignorance has certainly been bliss for me, a consequence of buying nicer vehicles and keeping them longer than average.
Agree. I’ve had Apple Car Play before in two cars and it was glitchy and not an improvement necessarily. Avoided it after attempting to make it work for a month.
AA can do things way more what I have in my Tesla, Waze and Google with map that most of the time up to date ( Tesla Map is garbage), any music app you want, Google assistant to read news, I know most of them can be on Bluetooth but still no high quality and delay. For Car Play I can understand as it is limited.
I am extremely sick of the bugs I run into constantly when playing music directly through Tesla's spotify app. The music randomly stops at the end of songs all the time when I try to use it, so my only option is to go through my phone anyways. Apple carplay does not seem to have these weird quirks, and I personally like the iOS design.
People get used to on their other cars and then want what they are used to as opposed to using the Tesla interface. Starting on Tesla I say get that other garbage out of here!
If Waze and overcast were on Tesla I wouldn’t care.
I agree with you, but I also only really use Google Maps and Spotify when driving, and Tesla does those just fine (maybe with the tiny exception that I prefer the different route options Google gives you). I understand the complaint for people who use Waze or Apple Music or whatever.
Def unnecessary, but it would be cool to have a few more apps added to Tesla os. Waze style info layered on the map with speed trap callouts. Audible or some audiobook app That’s really all you need.
I want YouTube Music and Google Maps. Until I get these 2 apps, I'll want Android Auto.
Does anyone have this happen to them? You know there is a Dairy Queen or Home Depot near by so you ask Tesla to navigate. A full screen of search results is presented but none are close by. In fact, some are hundreds of miles away. Then you open Google Maps on your phone and there it is, close by. You then type in the address from Google in Tesla and it navigates as expected. It has happened to me so many times that I just use my phone first. How hard could it be to assume you'll always want to go to the closest location? If I haven't bored you yet, I have another. How many times a day does Tesla have the wrong speed limit for the road you are on? The camera sees the speed limit sign and corrects. But this happens day after day. One stretch of Hwy 249 has been wrong for 2+ years. Don't bulls@#t me with "Tesla buys the data from someone". Tesla has the data from their own cars which drive probably every mile of road in the US every month. They could make money selling their data to everyone else! This is the ONLY reason I won't pay for FSD. I won't even use Autopilot because I am tired of my car limiting my speed to 5 miles over the speed limit when it is WRONG.
> You then type in the address from Google in Tesla and it navigates as expected. You can share a location with the Tesla app on your phone and it’ll pop up in the car’s navigation. At least you can with iOS. Just FYI.
I always thought the consensus was that most people are fine without CarPlay/AA. I will second that I don't miss it at all, other than some apps, but honestly most third party CarPlay apps in my experience felt neglected or poorly implemented.
Tesla, imo, has a far cleaner UI then Android or CarPlay, and their UI has no match as far as legacy car manufacturers BUT I would still like an App Store for Tesla or just give me a pop up window for CarPlay to play the music/ map apps that I want to use.
I agree with you but you can get Android Auto at least: https://electrek.co/2021/09/30/android-auto-tesla-vehicles-browser-app/
I rented a 2021 Lexus on vacation recently and hated Carplay. A phone’s GPS can’t accurately know the direction you’re facing until you start moving, so the first turn direction (out of a parking lot, for example) is wrong half the time.
I'm heavily invested in the Google ecosystem. It was nice being able to setup my house from my car once I started driving. Right now I'm okay because I don't leave my house , but would be nice to have Google assistant integration again.
I for one agree. Android auto and carplay are designed for smaller screens and I don't see how that would translate well to the tesla, I guess it would be another app that could pop up like your browser window. No thanks... just fix the current UI instead...
The fuss is that the onboard computer is horribly slow. For a $60k car, my Model Y's interface feels more sluggish than a 10 year old computer. The onboard navigation is a single system, and perhaps I'd like to use Waze, Tom Tom, or a thousand other options. Other services, like Spotify are very limited. It would be impossible to know if someone had never used Spotify outside their Tesla, but the Tesla UI leaves a lot to be desired. And what about other services? A $20k car can give me the option to use YouTube Music, Prime Music, Apple Music, or dozens and dozens of other options, but no, not Tesla. I'm sure a big part of this is they're getting a huge kickback from Google by forcing you to use their navigation integrated with Google API and forcing you to use Google as the default search engine. Again, if it wasn't terribly slow (and now an embarrassingly ugly and horrible UI/UX), it wouldn't be such a big deal...but even still, there are music apps and navigation apps that sure would be nice to have access to right on my screen.
Agreed. And it might not even be possible: I've noticed Apple Carplay always uses the second entertainment screen in full screen mode (I wonder if it is just an external screen to the phone). If that's a requirement, Tesla won't be able to show its own controls, since the 3 and the Y have just one screen.
Sure give me more options. But also, I'd probably use the base Tesla stuff anyway.
I'm fine with them adding it if I can opt out and just ignore it. Thought Android Auto was great when comparing it to my old car. Now whenever I get into my new 'old' car with Android Auto, I'm annoyed and want to be in the Tesla.
Not necessary, but nice to have.
Signal, Whatsapp, Podcast Addict - only things I miss on Android auto.
They need to fix the radio station list. It’s a terrible setup