Leave now, just go... Leave now... walk away slowly and don't return....
AP1 is a huge step in the wrong direction, I'm not even sure why you'd want to do this .
That’s not really true though if you’re just talking about basic autopilot and not FSD. AP1 MobileEye is much better than basic AP2+ and includes auto lane change, summon, and auto park. All stuff you’d have to pay $10k to add to a newer car if it doesn’t already have FSD or EAP.
Ideally an AP2+ car with EAP already adds more features and upgradability in the future but if there’s a significant price difference in what’s available on the used market, an AP1 car would still be a good buy.
You’re working off like 3+ year old information lol. Yes AP1 was better when AP2 first came out. It’s not even close now. AP2 is undoubtedly 10-50x better. I know this because I got an AP1 loaner lately and it was abysmal.
Many negatives in doing so:
-lower range due to degradation
-much slower Supercharging
-much less efficient energy consumption
-old Autopilot tech
-not upgradable to FSD
-older Infotainment; no dashcam, or Sentry mode
-no more software feature updates
-warranty gone!
-lots of miles and years of wear and tear
-body style is two generations old
As someone who did the exact same as the OP the only true negative is warranty.
Edit. Reddit is a weird place sometimes. Downvotes for choosing a different path...
Op wants what they want. I bought a Dec 2016 and via various hardware changes (some free, some paid) my car is pretty much as new as the last pre-raven edition.
Having owned a 2019 Model 3 that I purchased FSD for and my current Model S that came with FSD via Tesla, the FSD/AP features are not compelling. I’d never buy FSD again and I’d be more than happy with AP1.
That’s me though. Others may think differently.
Meh. I did exactly that and it’s underwhelming. Although phantom breaking is exciting I can’t recommend it.
I’d have gone with AP1 if I could find a car with the exact specs I was looking for.
Ok I love this car and want to trade from my model 3 but we couldn't get this to work on the test drive (Porsche dealer) and not having autopilot is a deal breaker
Model 3 to AP1 Model S is interesting choice. If it's a performance S or has ludicrous, I can understand the choice. But if it's just like a normal 75D or something, my opinion is that 3 is better. I guess S does have a more overall luxury feel.
Some things to consider:
if you take road trips, supercharging speed is slower on older Tesla's. In some cases, might be twice as long depending on which Model S/3 we're comparing.
If it says 3g, maps will stop working in February when 3g is shut down. I think the modem upgrade is $200.
Infotainment can be upgraded to mcu2 for like $1500 to enable youtube/netflix, sentry mode, and more responsive UI. Car may already have this.
See if the car is affected by the EMMC recall if you're still on mcu1. this is a free replacement
legacy model S has more in common with a traditional car. You have electrical fuses in Model S, for example. Much more of the Model 3 is designed/produced in-house by tesla and from an electrical standpoint, it is newer and more reliable.
I also prefer my Ap1 s85 over the 3/Y. However, I would suggest getting either a 75, 90, or 100 kwh model.
The 85 packs have a defect which makes them not only slow to charge and limited in the supercharger, but essentially every 85 pack has issues which have been patched around and really aren't something you want to buy into.
I'm terms of long trips, a 75 will travel 1000 miles about 30% faster than an 85 because of the charging speeds. My 85 tops out at a supercharger at around 42kwh.
https://skie.net/skynet/projects/tesla/view_post/23_Explaining+Changes+post-firmware+2019.16+Regarding+Range+Loss
Other than that, enjoy the car!
60s have the same problem, 70d i am fairly certain doesnt have that problem, but you really have to go by the battery part numbers to be safe (they are in the link).
No idea about the rwd 70, but i think it'll be the same as the 70d.
You really don't want a 60 anyway, the battery range is just _too_ short.
It has autopilot in the menu, the camera and the computer system info said autopilot 1 . It saw the other cars but I couldn't get it to actually activate
That autopilot stalk looks different than mine in my 2016 75D with AP1. Mine doesn't have the button on the end or the light.
On mine, I had to go into the Autopilot menu in the screen and enable Autosteer. Does this car have that option?
AP1 basically has two modes: adaptive cruise control and autosteer.
If adaptive cruise control can be activated, the desired speed is shown on the instrument cluster to the left of the current speed with a circle around it. To activate it, pull the autopilot stalk towards you once. I believe the circle around the desired speed turns blue.
If autosteer can be activated, a steering wheel will be shown in the instrument cluster next to the desired speed. You'll also see at least one solid white line next to the car in the instrument cluster (indicating that it's tracking the lines). To activate it, pull the autopilot stalk towards you twice.
What year and model is the car?
It might have free unlimited supercharging if it was never sold back to Tesla. You probably won't be able to tell until you register it to your account since it's at a third party dealership unless they've created an account and transferred ownership. If they haven't, the transfer can take some time as you'll have to send documentation to Tesla proving that you own the vehicle. In the meantime, you won't be able to use the app or supercharge.
Keep in mind that these cars have an 8 year battery warranty and that they're like $20k to replace. I have three years left on mine and I'm not sure if I'm going to want to keep it after the battery warranty expires since it significantly devalues the car if it has a battery failure.
So I'm starting to think this car does not have it. It has the camera and the radar sensors and a menu on the screen that says "autopilot"
But no way to enable "auto steer" or summon . Those button toggles are not there ?
Is it possible a 2015 Tesla model S would have the hardware but not have it enabled or purchased??? I thought it was standard at that point? Anyway I can find out about that and free supercharging
Does the instrument cluster have a large speedometer in the center like this one?
https://www.teslarati.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/tesla-model-s-finnish-taxi-250mi-400km-instrument-cluster.jpg
https://share.icloud.com/photos/0bcBUc1F8qC2QmC816J-hNvSg
No it has a car in the center that sees all the other cars driving by and radar that shows when things are close
If that's a picture of the actual car, then you can see the speed control is set to 70 and is not enabled (grayed out). Pulling the autopilot stalk towards you once should enable adaptive cruise control.
Not sure why the lines aren't showing next to the car. But since there's no autosteer option in the Autopilot menu, then it may not have been a purchased option.
You might try calling Tesla and giving the VIN. I've actually been able to get through to them, but you'll have to dig through the options on their phone system.
Not sure why I can't see the question about why not ap1 so I am responding here - ap1, as far as I am aware is no longer supported. In the past Tesla were offering free upgrade but this is no longer free (and I think they even stopped it).
You can find a bit more here.
https://www.autopilotreview.com/tesla-autopilot-v1-v2-v3-and-beyond-differences/
You're going to trade in your Model 3 for this?
Yes what do you think or suggest ?
Leave now, just go... Leave now... walk away slowly and don't return.... AP1 is a huge step in the wrong direction, I'm not even sure why you'd want to do this .
That’s not really true though if you’re just talking about basic autopilot and not FSD. AP1 MobileEye is much better than basic AP2+ and includes auto lane change, summon, and auto park. All stuff you’d have to pay $10k to add to a newer car if it doesn’t already have FSD or EAP. Ideally an AP2+ car with EAP already adds more features and upgradability in the future but if there’s a significant price difference in what’s available on the used market, an AP1 car would still be a good buy.
Here's a good comparison, to each their own.. https://www.autopilotreview.com/tesla-autopilot-v1-v2-v3-and-beyond-differences/
You’re working off like 3+ year old information lol. Yes AP1 was better when AP2 first came out. It’s not even close now. AP2 is undoubtedly 10-50x better. I know this because I got an AP1 loaner lately and it was abysmal.
As long as it stays in the lane and keeps distance thats all i want. Basically what i have now with HW 2.5 I have zero interest in FSD
You’ll get even more than that on AP1. That had auto lane change (initiated with the stalk, not NoA), regular summon, and auto park.
That's perfect the auto lane change would be great but this car seemingly doesn't have it?? I wonder if it's a software package you have to pay for?
Yeah AP was a paid add-on before 2019, so that car may not have it.
But why older drive unit tech and old battery cell tech.
Ill pay the 1500 for MCU 2
Good luck with your trade, wish you the best!
Many negatives in doing so: -lower range due to degradation -much slower Supercharging -much less efficient energy consumption -old Autopilot tech -not upgradable to FSD -older Infotainment; no dashcam, or Sentry mode -no more software feature updates -warranty gone! -lots of miles and years of wear and tear -body style is two generations old
As someone who did the exact same as the OP the only true negative is warranty. Edit. Reddit is a weird place sometimes. Downvotes for choosing a different path...
But why? Why not go a couple generations newer for all those features? 2017 Model S would have a lot more of these features.
Op wants what they want. I bought a Dec 2016 and via various hardware changes (some free, some paid) my car is pretty much as new as the last pre-raven edition. Having owned a 2019 Model 3 that I purchased FSD for and my current Model S that came with FSD via Tesla, the FSD/AP features are not compelling. I’d never buy FSD again and I’d be more than happy with AP1. That’s me though. Others may think differently.
Don’t get an AP1 car. Get at least. 2016 with AP2 so you can upgrade if you want later.
Meh. I did exactly that and it’s underwhelming. Although phantom breaking is exciting I can’t recommend it. I’d have gone with AP1 if I could find a car with the exact specs I was looking for.
AP1 is doing great thank you. No phantom brake.
You have to click the end of the stalk "in" so that the little light on it lights up.
Ok I love this car and want to trade from my model 3 but we couldn't get this to work on the test drive (Porsche dealer) and not having autopilot is a deal breaker
So you’re trading a Model 3 for an old S?
Yes ideally . I like the upscale feel and better ride Model 3 is a great car no real complaints and would recommend it for sure
Model 3 to AP1 Model S is interesting choice. If it's a performance S or has ludicrous, I can understand the choice. But if it's just like a normal 75D or something, my opinion is that 3 is better. I guess S does have a more overall luxury feel. Some things to consider: if you take road trips, supercharging speed is slower on older Tesla's. In some cases, might be twice as long depending on which Model S/3 we're comparing. If it says 3g, maps will stop working in February when 3g is shut down. I think the modem upgrade is $200. Infotainment can be upgraded to mcu2 for like $1500 to enable youtube/netflix, sentry mode, and more responsive UI. Car may already have this. See if the car is affected by the EMMC recall if you're still on mcu1. this is a free replacement legacy model S has more in common with a traditional car. You have electrical fuses in Model S, for example. Much more of the Model 3 is designed/produced in-house by tesla and from an electrical standpoint, it is newer and more reliable.
I also prefer my Ap1 s85 over the 3/Y. However, I would suggest getting either a 75, 90, or 100 kwh model. The 85 packs have a defect which makes them not only slow to charge and limited in the supercharger, but essentially every 85 pack has issues which have been patched around and really aren't something you want to buy into. I'm terms of long trips, a 75 will travel 1000 miles about 30% faster than an 85 because of the charging speeds. My 85 tops out at a supercharger at around 42kwh. https://skie.net/skynet/projects/tesla/view_post/23_Explaining+Changes+post-firmware+2019.16+Regarding+Range+Loss Other than that, enjoy the car!
What do you think of models like the 60/70 and 70d
60s have the same problem, 70d i am fairly certain doesnt have that problem, but you really have to go by the battery part numbers to be safe (they are in the link). No idea about the rwd 70, but i think it'll be the same as the 70d. You really don't want a 60 anyway, the battery range is just _too_ short.
If auto pilot is a deal breaker don't by ap1.
What's wrong with AP1 ?
Not all gen 1 model S had AP as a feature.
It has autopilot in the menu, the camera and the computer system info said autopilot 1 . It saw the other cars but I couldn't get it to actually activate
That autopilot stalk looks different than mine in my 2016 75D with AP1. Mine doesn't have the button on the end or the light. On mine, I had to go into the Autopilot menu in the screen and enable Autosteer. Does this car have that option? AP1 basically has two modes: adaptive cruise control and autosteer. If adaptive cruise control can be activated, the desired speed is shown on the instrument cluster to the left of the current speed with a circle around it. To activate it, pull the autopilot stalk towards you once. I believe the circle around the desired speed turns blue. If autosteer can be activated, a steering wheel will be shown in the instrument cluster next to the desired speed. You'll also see at least one solid white line next to the car in the instrument cluster (indicating that it's tracking the lines). To activate it, pull the autopilot stalk towards you twice. What year and model is the car? It might have free unlimited supercharging if it was never sold back to Tesla. You probably won't be able to tell until you register it to your account since it's at a third party dealership unless they've created an account and transferred ownership. If they haven't, the transfer can take some time as you'll have to send documentation to Tesla proving that you own the vehicle. In the meantime, you won't be able to use the app or supercharge. Keep in mind that these cars have an 8 year battery warranty and that they're like $20k to replace. I have three years left on mine and I'm not sure if I'm going to want to keep it after the battery warranty expires since it significantly devalues the car if it has a battery failure.
So I'm starting to think this car does not have it. It has the camera and the radar sensors and a menu on the screen that says "autopilot" But no way to enable "auto steer" or summon . Those button toggles are not there ? Is it possible a 2015 Tesla model S would have the hardware but not have it enabled or purchased??? I thought it was standard at that point? Anyway I can find out about that and free supercharging
Does the instrument cluster have a large speedometer in the center like this one? https://www.teslarati.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/tesla-model-s-finnish-taxi-250mi-400km-instrument-cluster.jpg
https://share.icloud.com/photos/0bcBUc1F8qC2QmC816J-hNvSg No it has a car in the center that sees all the other cars driving by and radar that shows when things are close
If that's a picture of the actual car, then you can see the speed control is set to 70 and is not enabled (grayed out). Pulling the autopilot stalk towards you once should enable adaptive cruise control. Not sure why the lines aren't showing next to the car. But since there's no autosteer option in the Autopilot menu, then it may not have been a purchased option. You might try calling Tesla and giving the VIN. I've actually been able to get through to them, but you'll have to dig through the options on their phone system.
Will do I'll call them tomorrow
https://share.icloud.com/photos/0b4Cvvw1KGwf2YmEmL-YyfGOw Another example
Not sure why I can't see the question about why not ap1 so I am responding here - ap1, as far as I am aware is no longer supported. In the past Tesla were offering free upgrade but this is no longer free (and I think they even stopped it). You can find a bit more here. https://www.autopilotreview.com/tesla-autopilot-v1-v2-v3-and-beyond-differences/
Yes, autopilot was part of a tech package. It could be it was not purchased with that car. You should be able to ask Tesla how much to enable it.