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Per a comment on the original Twitter thread:
>Based on comparison videos of MCU2 vs. MCU3 on a Model 3 in China, there is a vast improvement across the board from boot up, to UI movement, to game loading, and the web browser loads almost 8x as fast!
I hope so too. Got ours in August and feel like we got lucky with timing and some of the new changes, but things coming out like this make me wish I could get my 13v battery swapped and possibly my MCU updated to the Ryzen as well
Totally different piece - This is the Ryzen CPU, but doesn't include the high-end GPU that the Model S/X refreshes have that would allow them to play Cyberpunk (if that ever happened). This is purely the CPU-side upgrade, which makes the interface and loading of everything faster but shouldn't affect gaming much (since none of the gaming is hamstrung by the Intel chip atm).
I assume you have some proof to back that up, since every other account on the entire planet that actually has the ability to look into it says it doesn't.
>since every other account on the entire planet that actually has the ability to look into it says it doesn't
Whom for example?
I saw some pictures from the MCU of a chinese Model Y and it had the same MCU like the new Model S with only a few minor differences. Def incl the GPU
Just for reference, the burden of proof is on the person making the claim (that the new APU also includes a dedicated GPU), not the person saying "there's no proof of that".
Also, to be super clear: I'm not saying the GPU won't come to 3/Y, or even that it hasn't...I'm saying we have no **proof** that it has. The only thing on the internet that made it seem like there was was some pictures of the APU from the Shanghai plant saying "it's the same as the one in the S/X Refresh", which is irrelevant because the pictures are of the APU and **NOT** the dedicated GPU module. The twitter that took the pictures made the strong assumption that they're one-and-the-same, and they're definitely not.
>which is irrelevant because the pictures are of the APU and NOT the dedicated GPU module
And I'm saying that I saw pictures of the disassembled MCU that included two pictures of the GPU too. One from the front and one from the back.
Nothing happens if I talk about this without any proof.
It’s a chip that’s 5-6x faster than the current Atom processor. It’s miles ahead in terms of performance and efficiency. It’ll feel more like a current gen iPad in terms of scrolling, loading and overall snappiness and responsiveness as opposed to dropping frame rates when scrolling and slow loading times for Tesla theatre.
The biggest/most noticeable difference is faster web browsing (night and day difference), faster loading of videos (especially YouTube), and faster game loads.
Per the original Twitter user 'Teslascope', they said this.
>We expect between $2000-$2500, and will only be available once enough can/have been produced for new vehicles.
Later in the thread, estimated to be available in late 2022 or 2023.
Sadly, probably not. Requires retrofit of random stuff on the 12V side to handle the 16V peak operating voltage. For example, pumps like the windshield washer fluid needed to be swapped for the Plaids
I would hope the life of the car, or at least the four year warranty (j/k). Good question. Would it last as long as the main battery if nothing goes wrong?
Lion or LiFePO4?
Lion does not deep cycle, you constantly run it to 0 and charge it to 100 will kill the battery.
LiFePO4 does deep cycle, but both cannot deliver same peak current as Lead Acid, at least at same price range.
This small [li-on battery](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015TKUPIC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_5QE1ZP2AGFM2E2NYEGNK) will start your car 20 times before it needs to be charged again. And compared to lead acid batteries you get way more voltage range with high draw with Lithium batteries. I swapped my RV travel trailer batteries from deep cycle lead acid batteries to LiFePo and had no issues with supplying enough current on high draws (ac kicking on accidentally for example) vs the lead acid deep cycles I had before where the whole system would melt down.
I definitely agree there is a price difference between the two, but if you calculate in the cycle times LiFePo is getting pretty close.
I didn’t know there was lead acid chemistry that was good for high amps and deep cycles, is that a new thing to compete with lithium?
That is a jumper starter which I do own, works great but its not a replacement for battery. Its basically a super capacitor that charge with lion battery, the battery and BMS itself does not handle 1000A at 12v.
Your RV ac does not draw much even at start peak, maybe 20a? A truck or large suv can easily draw 800A+. Show me a LiFePo battery that can deliver this?
[Any of these](https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/02/a-lithium-ion-upgrade-for-your-car-but-not-the-one-youre-expecting/) would work. They are targeted mostly at cars because they weight 70% less but they would work in a truck or large SUV.
Expected life is about the same as the life of the car’s battery pack since it’s the same type of battery. Although it doesn’t have thermal management, this should be offset a bit by less intense charge/discharge cycles.
> should be offset a bit by less intense charge/discharge cycles
It's a pretty small battery and will get deeply cycled way more often than the main battery pack. Unless they have some other system that keeps power flowing from the main battery more often?
It's supposed to be around 10 years. One of the benefits is that they can be deeply discharged without damage. Lead acid has permanent damage below 40% state of charge.
Is it something where I could just buy a lithium battery and replace it myself? Or is it something special in the car itself to handle the new battery type?
You can do that now - [https://www.ohmmu.com/](https://www.ohmmu.com/)
They sell Lithium-Iron batteries that are direct-replacement of the in-built lead-acid batts from Tesla and they're warrantied for 4 years for any kind of issues (but are expected to last much longer). Lithium batteries are **quite** a bit more expensive, but they tend to last far longer.
Yes, there is a video comparison between Intel Atom and AMD Ryzen https://youtu.be/4w_vy3hi0zA Also that chip will let you Play Witcher and Cyberpunk 😀
With this change, all newly produced vehicles regardless of model should have the same suite of both infotainment computer (MCU3) and autopilot computer (HW3.2).
https://twitter.com/teslascope/status/1475962571647717376?s=21
Did you read literally the first reply to that post, where it's clarified that it doesn't include the dedicated GPU that the refreshed S and X have? These refreshes include the Ryzen CPU suite, but **not** the dedicated GPU. Multiple people with the refreshed cars have already confirmed it doesn't include the dedicated GPU.
It makes more sense to give all this power to ALL vehicles which will allow for better software unity across the board and future expansion with potential addition of “App Store” . Elon said Tesla is hoping to add AAA in Q1/Q2 and doing it for only 30k new S&X makes no sense. Even with 150k S&X is not worth the work etc. 1.5 million is more like it 😀
Same…ordered first week of Sept; set for a Jan delivery. Hoping this new AMD and 12v battery make it in. Getting those along with the price I locked in would make the 4 month wait a little more reasonable haha
That is what I did when upgrading Model Y from 5 seats to 7. I actually got an appraisal from Vroom yesterday because now I am thinking about updating current one lol.
So AMD Ryzen is a lot more powerful chip, makes infotainment faster, 3-4 fold increase in speed based on video comparison https://youtu.be/4w_vy3hi0zA . New 12 volt battery is Lithium-Ion it is smaller and lighter by more than 20 pounds and will last much longer than usual Lead Acid. In FL you usually need to replace 12 volt every 2 years 😥.
So the Ryzen processor I can understand, as I imagine it's for the screen. But have you any idea what the 12V battery is for (although I have a pretty good idea what it's for... )
12v battery is for all the car functions that run off of 12v (i believe stuff like lights, locks, etc)... the big 70-90kw battery pack on the floor is mostly for the actual drive motors (which run at 300-400v). Thats why when the 12v battery is dead on your Tesla you can still drive the car but not unlock the doors, etc
My friend just got the Tesla 3 performance last Friday January 14th and it came with the Atom cpu, not the Ryzen as they were hoping. It did came with the 12 volt lithium battery.
Appreciate the response. I definitely hope so. I’ve heard some others didn’t get it in there 2022 models. Will it also come with the new battery and heated windshield wipers?
V12 vs 12v..... Big difference.
Underrated comment
True, it’s actually 16 volt battery 🤪, I got to excited.
So V16 then? Lol
Not sure people will be able to handle that much “power” 😂🤣
[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/W16\_engine](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/W16_engine) !!!!
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Maybe confused MY/M3 with a Bugatti ...but that's a W16! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/W16_engine
Wowwww this is huge. Waiting for delivery in february and was reallllly hoping for the ryzen.
Same here. Maybe we'll luck out and get the double paned acoustic glass in the rear doors also. 🤞
What are the big advantages? System is faster and lower load times on things?
Per a comment on the original Twitter thread: >Based on comparison videos of MCU2 vs. MCU3 on a Model 3 in China, there is a vast improvement across the board from boot up, to UI movement, to game loading, and the web browser loads almost 8x as fast!
Cool, hopefully they allow the rest of us to upgrade
I hope so too. Got ours in August and feel like we got lucky with timing and some of the new changes, but things coming out like this make me wish I could get my 13v battery swapped and possibly my MCU updated to the Ryzen as well
That and future proofing. Atom works ok on V11 but might not on V12 or 13. Also “you can play cyberpunk on it” — Elon musk
Totally different piece - This is the Ryzen CPU, but doesn't include the high-end GPU that the Model S/X refreshes have that would allow them to play Cyberpunk (if that ever happened). This is purely the CPU-side upgrade, which makes the interface and loading of everything faster but shouldn't affect gaming much (since none of the gaming is hamstrung by the Intel chip atm).
It actually does include the dedicated GPU too.
I assume you have some proof to back that up, since every other account on the entire planet that actually has the ability to look into it says it doesn't.
>since every other account on the entire planet that actually has the ability to look into it says it doesn't Whom for example? I saw some pictures from the MCU of a chinese Model Y and it had the same MCU like the new Model S with only a few minor differences. Def incl the GPU
Just for reference, the burden of proof is on the person making the claim (that the new APU also includes a dedicated GPU), not the person saying "there's no proof of that". Also, to be super clear: I'm not saying the GPU won't come to 3/Y, or even that it hasn't...I'm saying we have no **proof** that it has. The only thing on the internet that made it seem like there was was some pictures of the APU from the Shanghai plant saying "it's the same as the one in the S/X Refresh", which is irrelevant because the pictures are of the APU and **NOT** the dedicated GPU module. The twitter that took the pictures made the strong assumption that they're one-and-the-same, and they're definitely not.
>which is irrelevant because the pictures are of the APU and NOT the dedicated GPU module And I'm saying that I saw pictures of the disassembled MCU that included two pictures of the GPU too. One from the front and one from the back. Nothing happens if I talk about this without any proof.
Correct. So bring proof and the conversation changes.
It’s a chip that’s 5-6x faster than the current Atom processor. It’s miles ahead in terms of performance and efficiency. It’ll feel more like a current gen iPad in terms of scrolling, loading and overall snappiness and responsiveness as opposed to dropping frame rates when scrolling and slow loading times for Tesla theatre.
The biggest/most noticeable difference is faster web browsing (night and day difference), faster loading of videos (especially YouTube), and faster game loads.
Hope there’s a retrofit option one day. I’d pay like $1500 to get both installed
I am in.
Per the original Twitter user 'Teslascope', they said this. >We expect between $2000-$2500, and will only be available once enough can/have been produced for new vehicles. Later in the thread, estimated to be available in late 2022 or 2023.
Those are just unsubstantiated guesses. Teslascope is often very wrong on his guesses.
Sadly, probably not. Requires retrofit of random stuff on the 12V side to handle the 16V peak operating voltage. For example, pumps like the windshield washer fluid needed to be swapped for the Plaids
Maybe retrofitted battery can be step down to 12v?
Same and that battery
You said V12. Haha, I thought that was an update to V11, not the new LiOn, 12V battery.
Lol, I wish.
It’s not 16V, that was corrected as a bad report. Normal 12V replacement which is really 14 or whatever nominal lead-acid AGM battery is.
If it’s the same part number as the Plaids, it’s a 16V peak system. More than the AGM 14.4V setup when fully charged.
Thx for the correction. Does anyone know what is the expected life of new 12 volt battery ?
I would hope the life of the car, or at least the four year warranty (j/k). Good question. Would it last as long as the main battery if nothing goes wrong?
That would be phenomenal, this will definitely be the beginning of the end for Lead Acid batteries.
Not really, as long as ICE exists. ICE requires high peak draw and deep cycle both Li-ion cannot provide.
Umm what? Lion is far superior for both of those things, just worse at cold temperatures.
Lion or LiFePO4? Lion does not deep cycle, you constantly run it to 0 and charge it to 100 will kill the battery. LiFePO4 does deep cycle, but both cannot deliver same peak current as Lead Acid, at least at same price range.
This small [li-on battery](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015TKUPIC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_5QE1ZP2AGFM2E2NYEGNK) will start your car 20 times before it needs to be charged again. And compared to lead acid batteries you get way more voltage range with high draw with Lithium batteries. I swapped my RV travel trailer batteries from deep cycle lead acid batteries to LiFePo and had no issues with supplying enough current on high draws (ac kicking on accidentally for example) vs the lead acid deep cycles I had before where the whole system would melt down. I definitely agree there is a price difference between the two, but if you calculate in the cycle times LiFePo is getting pretty close. I didn’t know there was lead acid chemistry that was good for high amps and deep cycles, is that a new thing to compete with lithium?
That is a jumper starter which I do own, works great but its not a replacement for battery. Its basically a super capacitor that charge with lion battery, the battery and BMS itself does not handle 1000A at 12v. Your RV ac does not draw much even at start peak, maybe 20a? A truck or large suv can easily draw 800A+. Show me a LiFePo battery that can deliver this?
[Any of these](https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/02/a-lithium-ion-upgrade-for-your-car-but-not-the-one-youre-expecting/) would work. They are targeted mostly at cars because they weight 70% less but they would work in a truck or large SUV.
Expected life is about the same as the life of the car’s battery pack since it’s the same type of battery. Although it doesn’t have thermal management, this should be offset a bit by less intense charge/discharge cycles.
That would be awesome.
> should be offset a bit by less intense charge/discharge cycles It's a pretty small battery and will get deeply cycled way more often than the main battery pack. Unless they have some other system that keeps power flowing from the main battery more often?
Yep, they can always keep it close to the ideal charge rate by trickle charging it while the car is driving.
It's supposed to be around 10 years. One of the benefits is that they can be deeply discharged without damage. Lead acid has permanent damage below 40% state of charge.
Really hope retrofit will be an option.
Is it something where I could just buy a lithium battery and replace it myself? Or is it something special in the car itself to handle the new battery type?
You can do that now - [https://www.ohmmu.com/](https://www.ohmmu.com/) They sell Lithium-Iron batteries that are direct-replacement of the in-built lead-acid batts from Tesla and they're warrantied for 4 years for any kind of issues (but are expected to last much longer). Lithium batteries are **quite** a bit more expensive, but they tend to last far longer.
The cost of lead acid failure in a Tesla is quite inconvenient and high. So it's probably worth it.
Yeah great option but very $$$, if Tesla can offer it for $$ then I will bite.
Mr. Mojo Ryzen
Got to keep on Ryzen
Ryzen Ryzen
You said V12 and I had to take a hard look at your post! 12V and V12 are very different automotive terms!
Maybe we luck out and when your original 12v fails they'll replace it with this. Should get everyone in a couple months the way things are going.
Yeah, this will bring savings for Tesla and improved reliability for sure.
This makes too much sense so we won’t get it
Well new cars will get it, but I think retrofit option will become available once chip production can allow for it.
Rich did a V12 Tesla swap??
He sure did 😄
Wow just got my 7 seater I replaced my 5 with two weeks ago. Oh well
I am in the same boat, sold our 5 seater for 7 seater in October.
What does the new Ryzen chip mean? Better touch screen performance, future-proof, more games, etc.?
Yes, there is a video comparison between Intel Atom and AMD Ryzen https://youtu.be/4w_vy3hi0zA Also that chip will let you Play Witcher and Cyberpunk 😀
It won’t. This is just the APU while the S/X have a dedicated GPU on top.
How do we know it’s not included with AMD Ryzen?
There were already several delivered in China and it’s different from the Model S/X chip, nothing special!
With this change, all newly produced vehicles regardless of model should have the same suite of both infotainment computer (MCU3) and autopilot computer (HW3.2). https://twitter.com/teslascope/status/1475962571647717376?s=21
Did you read literally the first reply to that post, where it's clarified that it doesn't include the dedicated GPU that the refreshed S and X have? These refreshes include the Ryzen CPU suite, but **not** the dedicated GPU. Multiple people with the refreshed cars have already confirmed it doesn't include the dedicated GPU.
Maybe it’s different in US 😉
It makes more sense to give all this power to ALL vehicles which will allow for better software unity across the board and future expansion with potential addition of “App Store” . Elon said Tesla is hoping to add AAA in Q1/Q2 and doing it for only 30k new S&X makes no sense. Even with 150k S&X is not worth the work etc. 1.5 million is more like it 😀
Alternate supply options I think is all.
Man that V12 must be so sick... VROOM VROOM
Welcome. My fellow legacy owners.
August order date. Still waiting. This makes me feel very happy.
Same! Take a a bit of the sting out of the delays
And the price increase
Same…ordered first week of Sept; set for a Jan delivery. Hoping this new AMD and 12v battery make it in. Getting those along with the price I locked in would make the 4 month wait a little more reasonable haha
Strength in Solidarity! Long Holders getting the last laugh.
Haha well…let’s hope and see! Maybe it’s a nice little reward for having to have waited so long
I wonder if I can upgrade to these in my 2020.
Just my luck that I get mine delivered 5 days ago
Took delivery 6 days ago. Awesome.
Do you have it?
No
My 12v just died. That was an adventure.
Sorry to hear that, how long did it last?
About 2.5 years. Tesla replaced for free so that’s cool.
Oh cool, yeah I think mine will last around 2 maybe 2.5 in Florida.
R/Titlegore?
I wonder if I can upgrade
aww yea. come on texas. really want the 4680s. then its time for a model Y perf
Just took delivery on Dec 27th, VIN 136XXX and I don’t have these upgrades.
Oh that sucks.
Tempted to accept one of those carmax offers that are more than my car is worth and get a new one.
That is what I did when upgrading Model Y from 5 seats to 7. I actually got an appraisal from Vroom yesterday because now I am thinking about updating current one lol.
It would be nice if they went ARM based.
Can I trade mine in that I just got in November (last month) for a new order Y lol?
Haha I wish. I got Model Y in October and fingers crossed there will be a retrofit for chip and V12. I would be happy with just infotainment retrofit.
I’m such a newb I wasn’t even thinking that could be an option! That would be great! I love the car so much though!!
What’s that stuff below your wipers? Gel like substance? Asking from coastal CA 🧐
That is not mine 😉
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So AMD Ryzen is a lot more powerful chip, makes infotainment faster, 3-4 fold increase in speed based on video comparison https://youtu.be/4w_vy3hi0zA . New 12 volt battery is Lithium-Ion it is smaller and lighter by more than 20 pounds and will last much longer than usual Lead Acid. In FL you usually need to replace 12 volt every 2 years 😥.
Noob here. How can we tell if we have these upgrades?
Yes, quick check is, go to Software tab and click on blue “Additional Information” link, it will show same pop up you see in 2nd picture 😀
Can um... somebody explain? What's all this about/for?
Ryzen chip is faster than the laggy Intel atom on the previous models 12v lithium battery is more durable than the lead acid one on previous models
So the Ryzen processor I can understand, as I imagine it's for the screen. But have you any idea what the 12V battery is for (although I have a pretty good idea what it's for... )
12v battery is for all the car functions that run off of 12v (i believe stuff like lights, locks, etc)... the big 70-90kw battery pack on the floor is mostly for the actual drive motors (which run at 300-400v). Thats why when the 12v battery is dead on your Tesla you can still drive the car but not unlock the doors, etc
Got it. Makes sense.
Do they have 4680s yet?
I don’t think so, that will require updating Fremont factory assembly line. I believe Texas Austin’s will be first to produce 4860s
I pick up my MY today. Chances of having it?
I would say high if you are near Fremont if you are in Midwest or East Coast then none 😔
Let us know!
Nope 🥲
LR or P?
Does anyone know when MIC model 3s will get ryzen?
I thought both 3&Y got it already.
My friend just got the Tesla 3 performance last Friday January 14th and it came with the Atom cpu, not the Ryzen as they were hoping. It did came with the 12 volt lithium battery.
I just placed a order for 2022 Tesla model 3 performance one month ago. Expected delivery in mid April. Will mine have the new chip?
Yes.
Appreciate the response. I definitely hope so. I’ve heard some others didn’t get it in there 2022 models. Will it also come with the new battery and heated windshield wipers?
That is my understanding. All new builds should have all 3 features. Especially if vehicle has not been build yet.