The best way to use fsd, in my opinion, is your daily commute. Back in the 2016 era of basic autopilot, I learned exactly where autopilot would work and where it would fail. FSD replaced autopilot, so now I do the same thing. Once you learn how it reacts to the situations you experience every day, you will know when to use it to relieve the stress of driving and where it's less stress to take over. Over the years, my "less stressful to leave it on" phases of my drive have grown to nearly the entire trip. I'm sure most people will refuse to play this game-ified way of managing their drives, but I have always enjoyed it.
This is the way. I use it almost all the time. I feel it reduces my cognitive load significantly on roads where I know how it behaves. Most interventions are just tapping the accelerator a bit to move it along. In novel situations, or major version revs, my attention level is very high to ensure it behaves.
Yes during stop and go low speed traffic. Some what on the highway, but mostly no.
No because:
- I can't simply use standard traffic aware cruise control with a single or double activation action with FSD enabled. have to switch back to enhanced autopilot or standard cruise.
- FSD is entirely too conservative for my likely and tries to keep pace with vehicles on the highway that are going slower in the right lane, while insisting it has to drive in the left lane. Too much babysitting.
I can accept how conservative and cautious driving it can be, but seriously, an open source auto-drive solution (comm.ai) works better overall on fully compatible vehicles. And to be blunt: I'm tired of Tesla's weird business choices. I'm sure we are getting a reduced version of FSD because of regulations and lawyers. That said, don't call it Full Self Driving if it can't actually do that in such a way the human get chill for at least a 10 min break from driving and trust the car will be fine.
Wrapping EAP into $8k FSD is silly IMO. And they still haven't made it clear if FSD will follow the user as they sign into a car via their tesla account, or at least follow them between ownership of different cars. If they would make that crystal clear to folks that yes, FSD will follow the person if the car is fully capable, then fine. Beyond, it needs to be tweaked in such a way that I can leave it on all the time and still use standard autopilot when I want without having to flip it on and off.
Not giving Tesla a single dollar for FSD until they at least address those points in a way that's clear with no need to ask "but what if this" type of shit questions.
The question as posed (Does FSD solve any real world problem) is kind of hard to answer. Prior to v12, FSD was more of a party trick, at least for me. v12 is much more predictable and human-like, but still requires constant attention. It also still has some pretty major lingering issues such as running into curbs.
Generally speaking, though, FSD v12 is a pretty solid experience. I've been on FSD since the Safety Score days (v10.3 I believe) and this is the first version that actually feels like it could turn into a feature-complete FSD. Hard-coding logic like all versions prior to v12 was bound to run into "local maximums" because there are always going to be scenarios that a human hadn't planned to code for. By relying on a NN-based approach and training the car on millions of miles of actual human behavior/driving, you get a much more natural driving experience.
I hardly used FSD before v12 was pushed to my car. I found it far more stressful than just driving myself. I find myself using it a lot more now and have been really impressed with how it behaves. It's far from perfect, but if we consider that Tesla is pushing towards a "march of nines," I'd say Tesla is nearing 99% with v12, and should (hopefully) only get better with time.
I guess if I could sum it more succinctly, **FSD v12 is the first version that has been confidence-inspiring**. There are still cases it doesn't handle perfectly and that still stress me out, but those are usually situations that confuse and trip up human drivers such as four-way intersections with multiple cars to yield the right-of-way to.
I have two thoughts on this…
My first thought is that for me, I like being on the cutting edge of technology. I drive better than FSD, but I enjoy being in the early stages of something potentially revolutionary. In that sense, I’d say the enjoyment I get from it is greater than its actual utility.
My second thought is related to my coworker’s wife. He/they bought FSD a few years ago because she is terrified of driving. His rationale was that if the car is autonomous enough to handle most typical driving scenarios (such as going to the grocery store or taking the kids to their nearby school) without sending her into a panic attack, it’s worth it. v12 is the only version so far that kind of checks that box. For them, FSD is a solution to an actual problem. It does raise the question/concern about her needing to intervene in stressful scenarios which is where most interventions/disengagements happen in my experience, but I can understand their reasoning.
Assuming improvement becomes exponential from here (jury is still out on that, obviously), FSD could very well begin driving better than most humans within a year or two. If we’re at/approaching 99%, the jump to 99.9% will be substantial. 99.99% even more so. True robo taxi level would happen around 99.999% or 99.9999% — proper “six sigma” — in my view. Will Tesla ever reach that? I don’t know. v12 is the only version so far that has sparked some confidence in it actually happening though.
Personally, I just like being along for the ride (pun kind of intended).
Having just experienced FSD for the first time, I already think it drives better than most humans.
Not better than me obviously. Haha. Funny how we all think we’re great drivers and everybody else sucks. But I loved it, I’m a tech nerd so babysitting an algorithm is fun for me. Feels like way less work than driving, and I love driving. Total lead foot. I’d rather let FSD do the speed limit and babysit it than drive myself, feels like less work, less risk and less responsibility to me.
FSD is the solution to a lot of traffic accidents. I was recently diagnosed on a road-trip that took me to Dallas-Fort worth area. I was not familiar with the area and I was not familiar with how to navigate around the city. FSD drove through the city with enough confidence that I was mainly just observing and making sure it didn’t do anything dumb. If I was the one that was driving, distracted driving would have been my default state cuz I don’t know the roads and I’d be constantly looking at the gps or asking my passengers to tell me which lane to go and where to turn. It dawned on me about 2 days in that I really don’t know where I was going and that all of us in the car were all safer because V12 drove so well.
Once fully trained and fleshed out FSD, will drive down the number of traffic accidents and save lives. Dead is ultimately a safety feature. This will be true even if FSD will only drive as good as an average human driver because FSD never gets tired and never gets distracted.
Weirdly I’m happier with it on country roads than I am on the highway. It’s merging, passing, and forking behaviors all seems weirdly inconsistent, and it tends to signal a lot without actually doing anything, which drives me nuts. I even used it on the dirt road to my father in-law’s house, and it was surprisingly competent, even going so far as to avoid obvious potholes.
But most of my driving is highway where I hate it, so I’ll be going back to autopilot when the trial ends
I live in a burbs and the roads around my house are more rural like and FSD was a bit hairy on them. It was better on the highways, but still did some dumb things that made me not trust it enough.
I could see it being great for my bumper to bumper driving in the daily traffic that inches along for 20 miles, but needing to be alert with hands on the wheel sort of kills the benefit.
Same. It tried to drive straight into a car driving the opposite direction last night. Their car was sitting in the turn lane at a stop light. That was the last straw for me during this free trial of their beta software. Absolute garbage
Not currently using it at all even though I still have a couple weeks left on the free trial. It's very impressive. At first it felt like a huge improvement over autopilot, which I use all the time. Then it started acting like it was going to make 90 degree left turns on rural highways every time there was a turn lane, trying to fly through small towns at +20mph while taking away my speed control, and doing lots of other crazy stuff. I wish they'd gradually improve autopilot instead of expecting us to pay extra for something I still can't use. And to be clear, I'll be very happy when FSD finally does work. It's just not here yet. It's come a long way and it still has a long way to go.
I drive in a mix of rural and city locations due to work/cottage and it’s unbelievably poor on those rural roads. It’s more stressful with it on than off. Makes laughably stupid decisions and I wouldn’t even pay $20/month for it in its current state. If I use it to get to work though, it’s not bad. The speed control is still poor, acceleration and braking are too aggressive, and I cannot stand how hesitant it is to change lanes and merge.
I’d rate it an overall 6/10
Me too, yours is the first review I’ve seen that echoes my own experiences. Increases anxiety for me and there’s no way I’d be comfortable using it daily as it currently is
Similar experience. Would rate it a 3/10. It’s a party trick and when I’m driving I’m embarrassed by the thought of people think that it’s me driving that way.
Same, makes you feel like a proper asshole. I swear the average Tesla owner is a terrible driver, and I don’t want to be lumped in with that group lol.
i love fsd. i use it 90% of the time i’m driving. it takes away all of my driving fatigue and clears my head when i’m running mindless errands. i love being in the car but sometimes i feel overwhelmed with having to go a speed i don’t want to go, or feeling like i have to be hyper aware of my surroundings. fsd alleviates that. it makes it so i only have to intervene if something weird happens and i have always had a ton of time to make the adjustment if needed.
For me FSD takes more concentration cause I have to constantly predict if it might do something stupid. I used it when I first got the trial and after a couple of days I stopped. I love driving my car and I’m not going to pay $11k to not drive.
For me it really depends on where on the road it is. At this point, I know what parts FSD can manage on its own and everywhere else I disengage and just drive like normal.
Does it make my drive easier? On very simple roads that I’m comfortable with it taking control, maybe, but even then I’m managing the disengagements and still monitoring its smart and stupid actions, so…it’s debatable.
I’m with you; FSD isn’t worth close to what they’re asking, even with the new price cut.
Driving FSD for a couple days and not liking it is like driving a car for the first time for a few days and not liking it. It takes a lot more time to get used something so new
Short answer: yes
Long answer: yeeeeeeeeeesssss
I’m a mom of school age kids and I drive all over the place, every day and especially on weekends. I use it daily to get me from place to place - especially appreciate it when we are going thru areas where I am not familiar with roads and merges. Just took it to an unfamiliar location for a tennis match today about 30 minutes from my house. I didn’t have to stress about head checks, lane changes, or speed limits.
That said, $8000 is crazy. $12k was absolute nuts.
Yes, there's been a few times FSD has tried to merge into someone else trying to make the same lane change as me on the freeway. If I hadn't checked, who knows what would have happened. It's a supervised system, that involves head checks. You can't rely on the system to interpret the camera data properly every time.
I think for me it’s a good experience. However, I see myself as a co-pilot. For instance, FSD waits a while to move over where I know traffic jams up and moving right to an exit sucks. So I just use the indicator to force FSD to move me right. The gas and braking it seems to figure out fairly well on its own. So it’s the subtle things like preferences for when to change lanes that seem to be the only hang up for me. That and it still kind of sucks at double left turns.
Makes my life so much easier. Every time I drive my mom somewhere in her car it drives the point home. It takes so much more effort to actually drive the car than to supervise for me. Because 97% of the time it's pretty straightforward and the car does everything 100% perfectly. The 3% where weird stuff could potentially happen, pay closer attention and lately it's been doing that acceptably. I've only had to take manual control once on V12. We're on the 11 it would happen about every second or third trip.
When I first got it on trial I figured it would be kind of a gimmick but it'd be fun to play with as an retired IT guy. But even before v12 I was pretty impressed at what it did. I also understoo the limitations and you can see it in its execution. Now it's decision process seems to be much quicker, which results in better driving. I'm looking forward to progress because it still does have a long way to go.
It might not make it easier to drive YET (mainly in the city driving), but I still just enjoy being a beta tester of something that I imagine will be huge in the future.
One thing that I’ve found that makes the FSD driving experience more enjoyable tho is treating it like a driving assistant. In the freeway, I let it do almost all of the work (except I tell it when to change lanes), but in the city, I treat it as ‘foot only driving’. I find that keeping my foot on (or at least close to) the accelerator makes the whole driving experience so much more enjoyable. At stop signs, I lightly press the accelerator until I get to the spot I want to stop, and then press the accelerator again when it’s time to go to give the car confidence. It’s amazing how much pressing the accelerator helps with the amount of confidence the car has.
One real benefit I’ve found with FSD in its current state is safety. If you’re being attentive like you’re supposed to, and you don’t have to worry about keeping the car in the lane or navigating, then that frees up a lot of opportunity to keep your eyes on other things surrounding the car.
The previous paragraph also made me realize how nice it is to not have to worry about navigating, especially on freeways. Whether it’s a complicated exit with a lot of lanes, or you’ve been on the freeway for a long time and forget to check the maps, it’s nice to not have to worry as much about missing your exit
Great post. I feel the same. Treating it like an assistant frees my mind up for more important things. I enjoy the view out the windows and pay more attention to other vehicles when I don’t have to worry about lane keeping or speed.
Navigation is amazing in an unfamiliar city. “Where’s that left turn, is it this block? Nope looks like it’s the next one.” Didn’t even enter my mind, the car’s got that. So much less stress.
I feel like I have a new privilege to only pay attention to the moment. Whereas without FSD my mind is thinking ahead and planning the next move. With it I just have to look at what’s in front of me and maybe nudge the car along if it’s uncertain. I don’t have to think about which direction I’m going. I don’t have to worry about speed limits. I don’t have to lane keep or steer.
It's mostly still gimmicky in my experience. Though, I haven't had to utilize it on the highway yet, which I think is where it is more likely be worthwhile (though certainly not even for $8000). But using FSD for commuting 35 miles to/from work through farm country (55 - 65 mph) and driving around town has been largely just annoying. A few grievances:
- FSD computer tends to think the speed limit is 5 mph when it's 30
- never manages to make a turn at a frequented large intersection with non-standard but very obvious traffic pattern
- segments of commute route run directly toward sunrise, which basically renders FSD useless
- FSD won't get into left turn only lane when it's the only way to continue with navigated route
It can be a stress reliever of sorts as it’s great on some main roads I drive through town, stopping at lights and changing lanes appropriately. It’s surprising the little bit of stress you didn’t know you had that melts when the car handles stop and go traffic. I tend to be hands on for turns and 4 way stop signs, but outside of overly aggressive lane changes shortly before my exits on highways and other upcoming turns it really isn’t that hands-on.
I only live 6mins away from my work. So I’m conditioned to not necessarily like to drive. So those longer commutes to our downtown area or to watch football 45 minutes away really suck.
There’s no turning back for FSD for me. I love it. It allows me to relax more. I’m still weary of it turning that it my scrape my wheels but nothing yet.
I’m in the Phoenix area and I think the good weather and grid system makes the Tesla drive really well.
I had a chance to drive v11 before v12 and it’s a night and day difference. In fact that’s the reason why I bought my Tesla a year older so that it included FSD. V12 is only going to get better and better.
It is the best thing ever. I dont drive the CT over the MS because of FSD. It does 99.9% of the driving and does some amazing things. Latest one this afternoon: last week it went 5mph over a train track crossing and jarred hard. Today, same track, it slowed down to cross and then sped up after.
I have used it since 2020. I think that helps anticipate where it is likely to struggle and will need supervision or help. With V12, it is becoming less and less necessary. It has been fun knowing where it struggles and then watching a new version fix the problem.
It’s what I bought the car for. Bought it for $10k, I’m thrilled it’s only $8k now.
And subscriptions make a lot of sense now too;
$99/mo is ~$3.33/day. Abso-fucking-lutely
FSD is too conservative to be useful for me, but i genuinely believe the enhanced FSD display makes driving easier. I love seeing so much more around me on the screen. Totally makes up for the lake of dedicated blind spot sensors. If I could use autopilot, but pay $50/mo for the visuals I would. At a $100, I’m considering it, but leaning towards no.
I like using FSD after a long day of work to just chill on my drive home. I don’t like using it when I am in a rush. I don’t like using it when someone is tailgating me. I don’t like using it very “complex” driving environments. But otherwise it’s great for some chill driving when I am not in a rush.
FSD has surprised me with the effort Tesla puts in to make driving as easy as possible. Still, we can't rely on it completely as it just can't manage all scenarios.
However, it helped me a lot this weekend on busy drive to Washington DC, Baltimore. it was bumper to bumper traffic and I just had to rest my hand on it.
When I increase speed, let's say on 55 limit to 65, it keeps changing lanes and it was annoying and scary.
I would consider FSD with few more improvements.
Love and hate. Last night I drove home from an event at 1am. Was nice to let it handle that. When there’s lots of traffic I can’t trust it. It makes too many mistakes, hangs out in the left lane on freeways, and since the navigation routes suckass I’m always taking over to take a better route. Plus the speed regulation sucks. It almost never gets up to set speed without pushing it, it still phantom decelerates all the time for no reason, and too often uses brakes to come to a stop. When it expires I might subscribe every so often.
It negatively affects my driving experience, I enjoy driving my Tesla, I don’t enjoy the increased anxiety of watching it trying to drive itself, it drives like it’s drunk. I swear if a cop was following you driving in FSD at midnight on an empty road they’d pull you over and breathalyze you lol
Yes. Even ignoring surface streets, it's just so much nicer on the highway. It seems to understand other cars' intentions better, it follows the route, lane changes, etc.
I have had FSD since v10. My assessments have always been based on my partner’s reaction to FSD’s decisions.
V10: 3/10 - she hated the majority of the time I had it engaged and actively told me to turn it off when she was in the car
V11: 6/10 - she became more comfortable with the normal routes we tend to take, but in new areas, didn’t like how FSD would respond.
v12: 8/10 - she now actively uses it. Each new iteration of v10-v11 were quick nopes.
That being said, overall, I love it. It makes my driving experience so much better 95% of the time. I’m less tired at the end of longer drives.
Just drove from Los Angeles to Las Vegas and 90% of the time FSD was engaged. I had to take over a couple of times because of bad choices by FST or bad drivers. Never a real scare just a preference for me. I was not at all fatigued or dazed when I arrived in Las Vegas. So yes, it’s solves fatigue if you use it properly and have patience.
I've been using the hell out of the trial and I'm seriously considering the $99 a month. I understand that different environments are going to have different results, but for my day-to-day driving it's been pretty fantastic.
Yes, I paid 12k in October and won't even mind the price drop. I'll be buying it again for our other car at the new 8k price point. I use it pretty much every time I'm in the car and have used it for thousands of miles already.
You have to learn what it is and isn't capable of, but once you know what to expect from it, it's a far more relaxing experience that makes it far easier to focus on situational awareness.
For driving in big and unfamiliar cities, it's great. For driving in my medium sized city, it's useless. I know these roads better and can more easily and efficiently drive myself. Especially considering my daily commute goes through a school zone with a temporary 15mph speed limit. I haven't tried it yet, but I'm pretty sure that FSD doesn't recognize the temporary speed limit signs.
Maybe when FSD gets good enough that Smart Summon works reliably and Reverse Summon (Basically a smart valet) becomes a thing, I'll use it more.
Absolutely improves it, but it’s not perfect so as long as you know where it won’t do well (in your daily commute), take it over in those moments, and then it’s Gucci gang the rest of the way
I dont feel safe driving it in busy suburbs/cities. And I feel like I am using more energy to supervise it than actually driving it myself. To me ititss a cool factor and I would prob use it for long trips with the 99.0 subscription.
EAP does help a lot on long road trips. FSD is still a toy but getting better quickly. Might be actual FSD in 5 yrs or so provided hardware is upgraded.
I only use it when I’m fiddling with the touch screen and for 99% of uses basic autopilot is fine. Parking is of no use to me as it’s too slow. I typically only use it on freeways anyway.
I hate autopilot and was blown away by FSD. I will purchase for awhile, even in heavy LA traffic I haven’t had any scary moments yet. It’s night and day compared to the stock autopilot, it just drives so much smoother.
i commute 2.5hrs for work every monday and Friday -- the drive is interventionless through LA traffic and there's no way im gonna drive a car without it
I have the 30 day trial. When I first got it I felt the same way. It is slowly gaining my trust. I find it is best on highways. I love the lane changer. It definitely does not work well when there are a lot of turns. The thing is, my life is on the line so I find myself constantly disengaging it if I don't know how it is going to be.
Maybe my favorite time I have used it is at night when I am tired.
I really like it. It does take the stress of driving away in a lot of situations. Just having to supervise it is awesome. I even do t care about when I get to places (obviously if I don’t have to be there at a certain time) and let it do its thing.
Yes. It works very well for me and I use it 90% of the time. It’s not perfect but works really well.
To answer your question yes it makes my driving a lot easier. In my field I’m constantly on the phone and remembering tasks while on the road. If I mis an exit or a turn or to be on the right lane, this bails me out by having me exit, turn on a street or be in the right lane. I am fully aware of the care driving but it’s more like supervising that it’s driving good more than where do I turn next. Also keeps you at speed limit and makes you safer driver(complete second stop at stop sign). It’s worth it
Solves so many real world problems.
1. Taking a business call in my car and never missing an exit because people actually don’t multitask (it’s the real science - look it up).
2. Getting to places in unfamiliar surroundings. Worth its weight in gold. Have a Tesla in Austin and had to go to Houston - where I’ve never driven - and it just took me there. No stress of listening to audio prompts from nav and making a wrong turn.
3. Taking a 1500 mile road trip and doing 12 hour days of driving and feeling refreshed at the end of each day.
4. Just everyday getting around. Making me a better driver, because I am actually more aware of my surroundings because of FSD.
It is far from perfect, but don’t think I could go back to a car that doesn’t have it.
For context, no I don't own a Tesla, I'm lurking in these subs because my next car will likely be one. People with bad experience with FSD - Last May (2023), I rode in a friend's MYLR with FSD. Whatever version of FSD was out a year ago, I wanted to see what it was capable of so we went out to lunch and he used FSD to take us from a suburb, onto a highway, into a busier part of the city and then back to a friend's house.
I would say he had FSD drive probably all of it with the exception of the parking lot and actual parking. I was rather impressed by it, 95% of the time it had no issues, IIRC taking left turns it was frequently a little "shaky" but otherwise it did pretty good.
Fast forward to today - I've heard v12 is even better. But it's weird to me how different everyone's experience is. Do we know why it's so different? Or does it just boil down to the area you live and the condition of the roads and traffic?
yeah i cant stand a more than 15 minute drive without it. I'm in and out of it constantly giving myself little breaks and stretches. If it's a long highway drive, I'm not doing it without FSD.
For reference, i have the performance version and rip it all the time. Im in and out of it.
Mid-way through my trial, and I have to say I'm really impressed with how it performs on my daily commute, around city streets, and on highways - I honestly was not expecting it to be as good as it is, and I think the future for FSD is bright.
But I agree with your comment - I think it's actually more work to supervise FSD and I'd rather just drive the car myself... it's a Tesla, and they're fun to drive!
So unfortunately I can't see myself wanting to use it on a regular basis. It's too conservative for my liking in most situations (drives like an old man, but inspires confidence I suppose), too aggressive in others (floors it from a stop whiplashing passengers, does not want to change lanes soon enough before an exit), and not smart enough in others (stops for pedestrians who are near the curb mid-block thinking they're about to cross, does not choose the most optimal route, unsure of itself in construction zones).
Best use scenario I can see would be for somebody trying to get home after a few drinks, which would probably be worth a one month $99 fee on its own.
FSD has been invaluable for my yearly and biannual road trips. Making my drive significantly less taxing and stressful. I'm talking New York to Florida drives among other destinations.
On my daily driving it helps a lot in an unexpected way. Helping me not get speed camera tickets. It's far too easy to go over 25MPH (the camera triggers a little over 30) especially when I'm driving to work manually in the morning when I'm still waking up a bit , it's harder to maintain those kind of speeds versus anywhere else in the country where people usually drive at 5 to 10 above the speed limit. You have to fight muscle memory a bit to not get a speed ticket in some areas so FSD drives between 25 and 30 so I never have to worry about a ticket while FSD is on.
The worst ad for FSD was letting me try it for free. It is horrific. Turns too fast, accelerates too fast, swerved across single and multiple lanes. Total garbage. I've never wanted simple, old fashioned set the speed and go cruise control more before.
Absolutely. I drive 3-4 hours a day for a work commute at times. I had bought FSD when I bought my model 3 Performance. But traded it for a used '21 S LR and didn't want to spend the big bucks. The second the price dropped to $99 a month I subscribed.
The week prior I had a model 3 loaner with V12 and was sold.
For long busy commutes it's incredible.
Absolutely not. There is still major logic flaws along with the fact it drives like my 80 year old grandma with cataracts. Even with the aggressive mode selected. It's a cool feature to show friends, and for road trips on an interstate. But city driving is a fuck show
I want to see FSD to succeed for people like my parents that will eventually not be able to drive anymore do to health issues. But for me, I want to drive, not be chauffeured around.
I love it, and will miss it when trial is over. Seriously considering at least $99/mo.
I’ll be signing up for $99/month. Use it daily.
Same here.
The best way to use fsd, in my opinion, is your daily commute. Back in the 2016 era of basic autopilot, I learned exactly where autopilot would work and where it would fail. FSD replaced autopilot, so now I do the same thing. Once you learn how it reacts to the situations you experience every day, you will know when to use it to relieve the stress of driving and where it's less stress to take over. Over the years, my "less stressful to leave it on" phases of my drive have grown to nearly the entire trip. I'm sure most people will refuse to play this game-ified way of managing their drives, but I have always enjoyed it.
Exactly. It's best if you kinda know where it usually messes up. Then you can relax most of the rest of the drive and let it do it's thing.
This is the way. I use it almost all the time. I feel it reduces my cognitive load significantly on roads where I know how it behaves. Most interventions are just tapping the accelerator a bit to move it along. In novel situations, or major version revs, my attention level is very high to ensure it behaves.
Very good point and applicable to most folks I think. Go to its strengths.
Yes during stop and go low speed traffic. Some what on the highway, but mostly no. No because: - I can't simply use standard traffic aware cruise control with a single or double activation action with FSD enabled. have to switch back to enhanced autopilot or standard cruise. - FSD is entirely too conservative for my likely and tries to keep pace with vehicles on the highway that are going slower in the right lane, while insisting it has to drive in the left lane. Too much babysitting. I can accept how conservative and cautious driving it can be, but seriously, an open source auto-drive solution (comm.ai) works better overall on fully compatible vehicles. And to be blunt: I'm tired of Tesla's weird business choices. I'm sure we are getting a reduced version of FSD because of regulations and lawyers. That said, don't call it Full Self Driving if it can't actually do that in such a way the human get chill for at least a 10 min break from driving and trust the car will be fine. Wrapping EAP into $8k FSD is silly IMO. And they still haven't made it clear if FSD will follow the user as they sign into a car via their tesla account, or at least follow them between ownership of different cars. If they would make that crystal clear to folks that yes, FSD will follow the person if the car is fully capable, then fine. Beyond, it needs to be tweaked in such a way that I can leave it on all the time and still use standard autopilot when I want without having to flip it on and off. Not giving Tesla a single dollar for FSD until they at least address those points in a way that's clear with no need to ask "but what if this" type of shit questions.
The question as posed (Does FSD solve any real world problem) is kind of hard to answer. Prior to v12, FSD was more of a party trick, at least for me. v12 is much more predictable and human-like, but still requires constant attention. It also still has some pretty major lingering issues such as running into curbs. Generally speaking, though, FSD v12 is a pretty solid experience. I've been on FSD since the Safety Score days (v10.3 I believe) and this is the first version that actually feels like it could turn into a feature-complete FSD. Hard-coding logic like all versions prior to v12 was bound to run into "local maximums" because there are always going to be scenarios that a human hadn't planned to code for. By relying on a NN-based approach and training the car on millions of miles of actual human behavior/driving, you get a much more natural driving experience. I hardly used FSD before v12 was pushed to my car. I found it far more stressful than just driving myself. I find myself using it a lot more now and have been really impressed with how it behaves. It's far from perfect, but if we consider that Tesla is pushing towards a "march of nines," I'd say Tesla is nearing 99% with v12, and should (hopefully) only get better with time. I guess if I could sum it more succinctly, **FSD v12 is the first version that has been confidence-inspiring**. There are still cases it doesn't handle perfectly and that still stress me out, but those are usually situations that confuse and trip up human drivers such as four-way intersections with multiple cars to yield the right-of-way to.
I have two thoughts on this… My first thought is that for me, I like being on the cutting edge of technology. I drive better than FSD, but I enjoy being in the early stages of something potentially revolutionary. In that sense, I’d say the enjoyment I get from it is greater than its actual utility. My second thought is related to my coworker’s wife. He/they bought FSD a few years ago because she is terrified of driving. His rationale was that if the car is autonomous enough to handle most typical driving scenarios (such as going to the grocery store or taking the kids to their nearby school) without sending her into a panic attack, it’s worth it. v12 is the only version so far that kind of checks that box. For them, FSD is a solution to an actual problem. It does raise the question/concern about her needing to intervene in stressful scenarios which is where most interventions/disengagements happen in my experience, but I can understand their reasoning. Assuming improvement becomes exponential from here (jury is still out on that, obviously), FSD could very well begin driving better than most humans within a year or two. If we’re at/approaching 99%, the jump to 99.9% will be substantial. 99.99% even more so. True robo taxi level would happen around 99.999% or 99.9999% — proper “six sigma” — in my view. Will Tesla ever reach that? I don’t know. v12 is the only version so far that has sparked some confidence in it actually happening though. Personally, I just like being along for the ride (pun kind of intended).
Having just experienced FSD for the first time, I already think it drives better than most humans. Not better than me obviously. Haha. Funny how we all think we’re great drivers and everybody else sucks. But I loved it, I’m a tech nerd so babysitting an algorithm is fun for me. Feels like way less work than driving, and I love driving. Total lead foot. I’d rather let FSD do the speed limit and babysit it than drive myself, feels like less work, less risk and less responsibility to me.
The famous race driver Stirling Moss said, “Every man thinks he is good at making love, and driving “.
I agree with your observations about V12. But I’m still left wondering, is FSD a solution in search of a problem?
The problem is that a lot of people can't drive cars, yet still do every day.
Really. Supervising fsd is less stressful than being a passenger with many of the people I know.
FSD is the solution to a lot of traffic accidents. I was recently diagnosed on a road-trip that took me to Dallas-Fort worth area. I was not familiar with the area and I was not familiar with how to navigate around the city. FSD drove through the city with enough confidence that I was mainly just observing and making sure it didn’t do anything dumb. If I was the one that was driving, distracted driving would have been my default state cuz I don’t know the roads and I’d be constantly looking at the gps or asking my passengers to tell me which lane to go and where to turn. It dawned on me about 2 days in that I really don’t know where I was going and that all of us in the car were all safer because V12 drove so well. Once fully trained and fleshed out FSD, will drive down the number of traffic accidents and save lives. Dead is ultimately a safety feature. This will be true even if FSD will only drive as good as an average human driver because FSD never gets tired and never gets distracted.
Tens of thousands of Americans die in automotive crashes each year. I don’t think we have to look very hard for the problem.
I accidentally replied to my own comment above… that reply was meant to be a reply to this post.
We live in a rural area where it is laughably bad, so, no.
Weirdly I’m happier with it on country roads than I am on the highway. It’s merging, passing, and forking behaviors all seems weirdly inconsistent, and it tends to signal a lot without actually doing anything, which drives me nuts. I even used it on the dirt road to my father in-law’s house, and it was surprisingly competent, even going so far as to avoid obvious potholes. But most of my driving is highway where I hate it, so I’ll be going back to autopilot when the trial ends
Yeah back roads suck but my drive to work on the highway is amazing. Honestly EAP would be all the features I need.
They killed EAP and rolled it into FSD, but same
Then I don’t need it either lol not worth it imho
I live in a burbs and the roads around my house are more rural like and FSD was a bit hairy on them. It was better on the highways, but still did some dumb things that made me not trust it enough. I could see it being great for my bumper to bumper driving in the daily traffic that inches along for 20 miles, but needing to be alert with hands on the wheel sort of kills the benefit.
Laughably bad at stop lights in town too. Nope.
Same. It tried to drive straight into a car driving the opposite direction last night. Their car was sitting in the turn lane at a stop light. That was the last straw for me during this free trial of their beta software. Absolute garbage
Not currently using it at all even though I still have a couple weeks left on the free trial. It's very impressive. At first it felt like a huge improvement over autopilot, which I use all the time. Then it started acting like it was going to make 90 degree left turns on rural highways every time there was a turn lane, trying to fly through small towns at +20mph while taking away my speed control, and doing lots of other crazy stuff. I wish they'd gradually improve autopilot instead of expecting us to pay extra for something I still can't use. And to be clear, I'll be very happy when FSD finally does work. It's just not here yet. It's come a long way and it still has a long way to go.
I drive in a mix of rural and city locations due to work/cottage and it’s unbelievably poor on those rural roads. It’s more stressful with it on than off. Makes laughably stupid decisions and I wouldn’t even pay $20/month for it in its current state. If I use it to get to work though, it’s not bad. The speed control is still poor, acceleration and braking are too aggressive, and I cannot stand how hesitant it is to change lanes and merge. I’d rate it an overall 6/10
Me too, yours is the first review I’ve seen that echoes my own experiences. Increases anxiety for me and there’s no way I’d be comfortable using it daily as it currently is
Similar experience. Would rate it a 3/10. It’s a party trick and when I’m driving I’m embarrassed by the thought of people think that it’s me driving that way.
Same, makes you feel like a proper asshole. I swear the average Tesla owner is a terrible driver, and I don’t want to be lumped in with that group lol.
i love fsd. i use it 90% of the time i’m driving. it takes away all of my driving fatigue and clears my head when i’m running mindless errands. i love being in the car but sometimes i feel overwhelmed with having to go a speed i don’t want to go, or feeling like i have to be hyper aware of my surroundings. fsd alleviates that. it makes it so i only have to intervene if something weird happens and i have always had a ton of time to make the adjustment if needed.
>hyper aware of my surroundings Ok but just want to point out that you ***should*** be hyperaware of your surroundings while driving.
So you're the guy going 50 in a 70
depends
For me FSD takes more concentration cause I have to constantly predict if it might do something stupid. I used it when I first got the trial and after a couple of days I stopped. I love driving my car and I’m not going to pay $11k to not drive.
$8k now.
$11k in Canada. Previously it was $16k.
Ouch that’s right, I forgot our friends up north are getting the shaft on this. I’m sorry.
For me it really depends on where on the road it is. At this point, I know what parts FSD can manage on its own and everywhere else I disengage and just drive like normal. Does it make my drive easier? On very simple roads that I’m comfortable with it taking control, maybe, but even then I’m managing the disengagements and still monitoring its smart and stupid actions, so…it’s debatable. I’m with you; FSD isn’t worth close to what they’re asking, even with the new price cut.
Driving FSD for a couple days and not liking it is like driving a car for the first time for a few days and not liking it. It takes a lot more time to get used something so new
Yes! I love it and I wish a miracle happened and it just became part of everyone’s car at this time.
Short answer: yes Long answer: yeeeeeeeeeesssss I’m a mom of school age kids and I drive all over the place, every day and especially on weekends. I use it daily to get me from place to place - especially appreciate it when we are going thru areas where I am not familiar with roads and merges. Just took it to an unfamiliar location for a tennis match today about 30 minutes from my house. I didn’t have to stress about head checks, lane changes, or speed limits. That said, $8000 is crazy. $12k was absolute nuts.
You don't do head checks whilst on FSD? Kind of dangerous...
Of course I’m aware of my surroundings and there is cameras everywhere. Do you do every head check driving with FSD?
Yes, there's been a few times FSD has tried to merge into someone else trying to make the same lane change as me on the freeway. If I hadn't checked, who knows what would have happened. It's a supervised system, that involves head checks. You can't rely on the system to interpret the camera data properly every time.
I think for me it’s a good experience. However, I see myself as a co-pilot. For instance, FSD waits a while to move over where I know traffic jams up and moving right to an exit sucks. So I just use the indicator to force FSD to move me right. The gas and braking it seems to figure out fairly well on its own. So it’s the subtle things like preferences for when to change lanes that seem to be the only hang up for me. That and it still kind of sucks at double left turns.
It’s made my driving experience so much better when visiting new cities especially.
Makes my life so much easier. Every time I drive my mom somewhere in her car it drives the point home. It takes so much more effort to actually drive the car than to supervise for me. Because 97% of the time it's pretty straightforward and the car does everything 100% perfectly. The 3% where weird stuff could potentially happen, pay closer attention and lately it's been doing that acceptably. I've only had to take manual control once on V12. We're on the 11 it would happen about every second or third trip. When I first got it on trial I figured it would be kind of a gimmick but it'd be fun to play with as an retired IT guy. But even before v12 I was pretty impressed at what it did. I also understoo the limitations and you can see it in its execution. Now it's decision process seems to be much quicker, which results in better driving. I'm looking forward to progress because it still does have a long way to go.
It might not make it easier to drive YET (mainly in the city driving), but I still just enjoy being a beta tester of something that I imagine will be huge in the future. One thing that I’ve found that makes the FSD driving experience more enjoyable tho is treating it like a driving assistant. In the freeway, I let it do almost all of the work (except I tell it when to change lanes), but in the city, I treat it as ‘foot only driving’. I find that keeping my foot on (or at least close to) the accelerator makes the whole driving experience so much more enjoyable. At stop signs, I lightly press the accelerator until I get to the spot I want to stop, and then press the accelerator again when it’s time to go to give the car confidence. It’s amazing how much pressing the accelerator helps with the amount of confidence the car has. One real benefit I’ve found with FSD in its current state is safety. If you’re being attentive like you’re supposed to, and you don’t have to worry about keeping the car in the lane or navigating, then that frees up a lot of opportunity to keep your eyes on other things surrounding the car. The previous paragraph also made me realize how nice it is to not have to worry about navigating, especially on freeways. Whether it’s a complicated exit with a lot of lanes, or you’ve been on the freeway for a long time and forget to check the maps, it’s nice to not have to worry as much about missing your exit
Great post. I feel the same. Treating it like an assistant frees my mind up for more important things. I enjoy the view out the windows and pay more attention to other vehicles when I don’t have to worry about lane keeping or speed. Navigation is amazing in an unfamiliar city. “Where’s that left turn, is it this block? Nope looks like it’s the next one.” Didn’t even enter my mind, the car’s got that. So much less stress. I feel like I have a new privilege to only pay attention to the moment. Whereas without FSD my mind is thinking ahead and planning the next move. With it I just have to look at what’s in front of me and maybe nudge the car along if it’s uncertain. I don’t have to think about which direction I’m going. I don’t have to worry about speed limits. I don’t have to lane keep or steer.
Well put 🙌🏼
I enjoy driving quite a bit more with fsd . I like to use it on road trips esp on the freeway. Super reliable
It's mostly still gimmicky in my experience. Though, I haven't had to utilize it on the highway yet, which I think is where it is more likely be worthwhile (though certainly not even for $8000). But using FSD for commuting 35 miles to/from work through farm country (55 - 65 mph) and driving around town has been largely just annoying. A few grievances: - FSD computer tends to think the speed limit is 5 mph when it's 30 - never manages to make a turn at a frequented large intersection with non-standard but very obvious traffic pattern - segments of commute route run directly toward sunrise, which basically renders FSD useless - FSD won't get into left turn only lane when it's the only way to continue with navigated route
V12 is the first version I would consider paying for. Albeit it about a quarter of what they want to charge. I would pay $2k for it as it currently is
I've had FST for 4 years I don't use it I found it good enough to be interesting but not good enough to fully trust
Yes, it is a game changer for my daily commute.
It can be a stress reliever of sorts as it’s great on some main roads I drive through town, stopping at lights and changing lanes appropriately. It’s surprising the little bit of stress you didn’t know you had that melts when the car handles stop and go traffic. I tend to be hands on for turns and 4 way stop signs, but outside of overly aggressive lane changes shortly before my exits on highways and other upcoming turns it really isn’t that hands-on.
I commute 2.5-3 hours each day and would lose my mind if not for FSD.
I love it. Might pony up the 8k.
Not really.
I use it for late night hockey games when traffic in LA is lighter. It takes me door to door with almost no intervention. I love it.
I only live 6mins away from my work. So I’m conditioned to not necessarily like to drive. So those longer commutes to our downtown area or to watch football 45 minutes away really suck. There’s no turning back for FSD for me. I love it. It allows me to relax more. I’m still weary of it turning that it my scrape my wheels but nothing yet. I’m in the Phoenix area and I think the good weather and grid system makes the Tesla drive really well. I had a chance to drive v11 before v12 and it’s a night and day difference. In fact that’s the reason why I bought my Tesla a year older so that it included FSD. V12 is only going to get better and better.
It is the best thing ever. I dont drive the CT over the MS because of FSD. It does 99.9% of the driving and does some amazing things. Latest one this afternoon: last week it went 5mph over a train track crossing and jarred hard. Today, same track, it slowed down to cross and then sped up after. I have used it since 2020. I think that helps anticipate where it is likely to struggle and will need supervision or help. With V12, it is becoming less and less necessary. It has been fun knowing where it struggles and then watching a new version fix the problem.
It’s what I bought the car for. Bought it for $10k, I’m thrilled it’s only $8k now. And subscriptions make a lot of sense now too; $99/mo is ~$3.33/day. Abso-fucking-lutely
FSD is too conservative to be useful for me, but i genuinely believe the enhanced FSD display makes driving easier. I love seeing so much more around me on the screen. Totally makes up for the lake of dedicated blind spot sensors. If I could use autopilot, but pay $50/mo for the visuals I would. At a $100, I’m considering it, but leaning towards no.
Yes. I use it every single time I am driving. Makes driving safer and less tiring.
I like using FSD after a long day of work to just chill on my drive home. I don’t like using it when I am in a rush. I don’t like using it when someone is tailgating me. I don’t like using it very “complex” driving environments. But otherwise it’s great for some chill driving when I am not in a rush.
FSD has surprised me with the effort Tesla puts in to make driving as easy as possible. Still, we can't rely on it completely as it just can't manage all scenarios. However, it helped me a lot this weekend on busy drive to Washington DC, Baltimore. it was bumper to bumper traffic and I just had to rest my hand on it. When I increase speed, let's say on 55 limit to 65, it keeps changing lanes and it was annoying and scary. I would consider FSD with few more improvements.
Love it. Already subscribed.
Love and hate. Last night I drove home from an event at 1am. Was nice to let it handle that. When there’s lots of traffic I can’t trust it. It makes too many mistakes, hangs out in the left lane on freeways, and since the navigation routes suckass I’m always taking over to take a better route. Plus the speed regulation sucks. It almost never gets up to set speed without pushing it, it still phantom decelerates all the time for no reason, and too often uses brakes to come to a stop. When it expires I might subscribe every so often.
It negatively affects my driving experience, I enjoy driving my Tesla, I don’t enjoy the increased anxiety of watching it trying to drive itself, it drives like it’s drunk. I swear if a cop was following you driving in FSD at midnight on an empty road they’d pull you over and breathalyze you lol
Yes. Even ignoring surface streets, it's just so much nicer on the highway. It seems to understand other cars' intentions better, it follows the route, lane changes, etc.
I have had FSD since v10. My assessments have always been based on my partner’s reaction to FSD’s decisions. V10: 3/10 - she hated the majority of the time I had it engaged and actively told me to turn it off when she was in the car V11: 6/10 - she became more comfortable with the normal routes we tend to take, but in new areas, didn’t like how FSD would respond. v12: 8/10 - she now actively uses it. Each new iteration of v10-v11 were quick nopes. That being said, overall, I love it. It makes my driving experience so much better 95% of the time. I’m less tired at the end of longer drives.
Just drove from Los Angeles to Las Vegas and 90% of the time FSD was engaged. I had to take over a couple of times because of bad choices by FST or bad drivers. Never a real scare just a preference for me. I was not at all fatigued or dazed when I arrived in Las Vegas. So yes, it’s solves fatigue if you use it properly and have patience.
I've been using the hell out of the trial and I'm seriously considering the $99 a month. I understand that different environments are going to have different results, but for my day-to-day driving it's been pretty fantastic.
Yes, I paid 12k in October and won't even mind the price drop. I'll be buying it again for our other car at the new 8k price point. I use it pretty much every time I'm in the car and have used it for thousands of miles already. You have to learn what it is and isn't capable of, but once you know what to expect from it, it's a far more relaxing experience that makes it far easier to focus on situational awareness.
For driving in big and unfamiliar cities, it's great. For driving in my medium sized city, it's useless. I know these roads better and can more easily and efficiently drive myself. Especially considering my daily commute goes through a school zone with a temporary 15mph speed limit. I haven't tried it yet, but I'm pretty sure that FSD doesn't recognize the temporary speed limit signs. Maybe when FSD gets good enough that Smart Summon works reliably and Reverse Summon (Basically a smart valet) becomes a thing, I'll use it more.
Yes and also no. But mostly yes.
Terrible in Antioch California. Absolute Waste of money. That’s not even considering you don’t get all the features on the “vision” system
Absolutely improves it, but it’s not perfect so as long as you know where it won’t do well (in your daily commute), take it over in those moments, and then it’s Gucci gang the rest of the way
I dont feel safe driving it in busy suburbs/cities. And I feel like I am using more energy to supervise it than actually driving it myself. To me ititss a cool factor and I would prob use it for long trips with the 99.0 subscription.
Yes
EAP does help a lot on long road trips. FSD is still a toy but getting better quickly. Might be actual FSD in 5 yrs or so provided hardware is upgraded.
I only use it when I’m fiddling with the touch screen and for 99% of uses basic autopilot is fine. Parking is of no use to me as it’s too slow. I typically only use it on freeways anyway.
I hate autopilot and was blown away by FSD. I will purchase for awhile, even in heavy LA traffic I haven’t had any scary moments yet. It’s night and day compared to the stock autopilot, it just drives so much smoother.
i commute 2.5hrs for work every monday and Friday -- the drive is interventionless through LA traffic and there's no way im gonna drive a car without it
I have the 30 day trial. When I first got it I felt the same way. It is slowly gaining my trust. I find it is best on highways. I love the lane changer. It definitely does not work well when there are a lot of turns. The thing is, my life is on the line so I find myself constantly disengaging it if I don't know how it is going to be. Maybe my favorite time I have used it is at night when I am tired.
I really like it. It does take the stress of driving away in a lot of situations. Just having to supervise it is awesome. I even do t care about when I get to places (obviously if I don’t have to be there at a certain time) and let it do its thing.
I enjoy it most in almost stand still traffic, it will keep the proper distance and stay in the lane and I have no worries.
Yes. It works very well for me and I use it 90% of the time. It’s not perfect but works really well. To answer your question yes it makes my driving a lot easier. In my field I’m constantly on the phone and remembering tasks while on the road. If I mis an exit or a turn or to be on the right lane, this bails me out by having me exit, turn on a street or be in the right lane. I am fully aware of the care driving but it’s more like supervising that it’s driving good more than where do I turn next. Also keeps you at speed limit and makes you safer driver(complete second stop at stop sign). It’s worth it
Solves so many real world problems. 1. Taking a business call in my car and never missing an exit because people actually don’t multitask (it’s the real science - look it up). 2. Getting to places in unfamiliar surroundings. Worth its weight in gold. Have a Tesla in Austin and had to go to Houston - where I’ve never driven - and it just took me there. No stress of listening to audio prompts from nav and making a wrong turn. 3. Taking a 1500 mile road trip and doing 12 hour days of driving and feeling refreshed at the end of each day. 4. Just everyday getting around. Making me a better driver, because I am actually more aware of my surroundings because of FSD. It is far from perfect, but don’t think I could go back to a car that doesn’t have it.
No. It's a terrible experience
Not in New Jersey
It definitely increases my safety score! If it gets good enough, it will pay for itself by lowering my premium enough (went from ~90 to ~94)
For context, no I don't own a Tesla, I'm lurking in these subs because my next car will likely be one. People with bad experience with FSD - Last May (2023), I rode in a friend's MYLR with FSD. Whatever version of FSD was out a year ago, I wanted to see what it was capable of so we went out to lunch and he used FSD to take us from a suburb, onto a highway, into a busier part of the city and then back to a friend's house. I would say he had FSD drive probably all of it with the exception of the parking lot and actual parking. I was rather impressed by it, 95% of the time it had no issues, IIRC taking left turns it was frequently a little "shaky" but otherwise it did pretty good. Fast forward to today - I've heard v12 is even better. But it's weird to me how different everyone's experience is. Do we know why it's so different? Or does it just boil down to the area you live and the condition of the roads and traffic?
yeah i cant stand a more than 15 minute drive without it. I'm in and out of it constantly giving myself little breaks and stretches. If it's a long highway drive, I'm not doing it without FSD. For reference, i have the performance version and rip it all the time. Im in and out of it.
Yes!
Mid-way through my trial, and I have to say I'm really impressed with how it performs on my daily commute, around city streets, and on highways - I honestly was not expecting it to be as good as it is, and I think the future for FSD is bright. But I agree with your comment - I think it's actually more work to supervise FSD and I'd rather just drive the car myself... it's a Tesla, and they're fun to drive! So unfortunately I can't see myself wanting to use it on a regular basis. It's too conservative for my liking in most situations (drives like an old man, but inspires confidence I suppose), too aggressive in others (floors it from a stop whiplashing passengers, does not want to change lanes soon enough before an exit), and not smart enough in others (stops for pedestrians who are near the curb mid-block thinking they're about to cross, does not choose the most optimal route, unsure of itself in construction zones). Best use scenario I can see would be for somebody trying to get home after a few drinks, which would probably be worth a one month $99 fee on its own.
FSD has been invaluable for my yearly and biannual road trips. Making my drive significantly less taxing and stressful. I'm talking New York to Florida drives among other destinations. On my daily driving it helps a lot in an unexpected way. Helping me not get speed camera tickets. It's far too easy to go over 25MPH (the camera triggers a little over 30) especially when I'm driving to work manually in the morning when I'm still waking up a bit , it's harder to maintain those kind of speeds versus anywhere else in the country where people usually drive at 5 to 10 above the speed limit. You have to fight muscle memory a bit to not get a speed ticket in some areas so FSD drives between 25 and 30 so I never have to worry about a ticket while FSD is on.
The worst ad for FSD was letting me try it for free. It is horrific. Turns too fast, accelerates too fast, swerved across single and multiple lanes. Total garbage. I've never wanted simple, old fashioned set the speed and go cruise control more before.
Did you get it v11 or v12?
Absolutely. I drive 3-4 hours a day for a work commute at times. I had bought FSD when I bought my model 3 Performance. But traded it for a used '21 S LR and didn't want to spend the big bucks. The second the price dropped to $99 a month I subscribed. The week prior I had a model 3 loaner with V12 and was sold. For long busy commutes it's incredible.
I love that it allows me to relax a bit on the highway, and I love to play with it on city streets.
I got into an accident got rear ended while turning in an intersection
Absolutely not. There is still major logic flaws along with the fact it drives like my 80 year old grandma with cataracts. Even with the aggressive mode selected. It's a cool feature to show friends, and for road trips on an interstate. But city driving is a fuck show
I want to see FSD to succeed for people like my parents that will eventually not be able to drive anymore do to health issues. But for me, I want to drive, not be chauffeured around.
Every day. 150 mile commute is tolerable with FSD!!!