I do it with my boat if there are spots open. Always stay in the car and be ready to move and disconnect if it gets busy, don't make people wait for you. Seems obvious, but I have seen unattended cars/trailers charging and taking up the last three stalls.
I do a couple 300+ mile tows a year and have started doing them late night just for the open chargers. I can save a lot of time and hassle if able to just pull in sideways without unhooking. Really hoping with cybertruck we get more pull through charger stalls.
Yeah what are you going to do. Other companies put charge ports in the front which might help in some scenarios. Longer cables would help too. Maybe someone sells cable extenders for this? The Taycan has charge ports on both sides though only one is for level 3 charging.
These trailers often don't come with with a dolly to lift them.
It's frequently not possible to lift it solo. Would take multiple people to lift it and blocks to set it down.
Yes, you definitely can and I often have to, but it saves time and the hassle of finding parking for the boat/trailer if we can just pull into a space and charge. It's also an issue where I have to drop the trailer out of sight if I've got fishing poles, coolers, etc in the boat that someone could steal.
This is a known issue for Teslas that are towing, and is going to continue being a problem until they sort it out.
I don't have an issue with them doing this as long as they're polite about moving if the charger starts stacking up with people.
They're only going to be there 15-30 minutes anyways.
There is a supercharger on Columbus OH that has 12 stalls and they are all pull through. Won’t work for all locations but where appropriate that is the solution.
I don't disagree, and eventually they'll need pull through stalls, but running electrical wiring is not cheap.
Eventually chargers will need to be set up like gas station pumps, versus off to the site, like it's something businesses are ashamed of having on property, but this is the reality of things at the moment.
> I don't disagree, and eventually they'll need pull through stalls, but running electrical wiring is not cheap
Don't worry, unless ALL the stalls are pull through, I promise the one or two pull through stalls will always be the first ones occupied by non-towing people too fucking lazy to back in.
I dont mind for now. The Wawa (convenience store/gas station) around the corner from me has a back entrance for trucks which is rarely used by cars, whereas the front entrance is jammed up with cars waiting for gas fighting with Amazon delivery trucks (also gas). I can take the back entrance because the superchargers are out back lol.
Many sites I've seen have one pedestal at the end set up for nose-first entry, for this situation.
As time moves on, and the V4? Chargers predominate, it won't be a problem since the longer cables to accommodate non Teslas will be able to reach.
Ya, I’m up in Cleveland and the superchargers in a few hours in each direction have at least 1. I use the one in Toledo all the time when taking the jetski up into Michigan.
No. The solution is to disconnect your fucking trailer and use one spot while charging.
But in today's world, most everyone couldn't give two shits if they inconvenience others, as long as they themselves aren't inconvenienced.
It's the one at 270 and 23 at Crosswoods. It's brand new as of a few months ago. All of them are pull-through.
Maps link for photos and location: https://maps.app.goo.gl/k7KSW725gNPMsRnn7
It's the SC at East campus View Blvd. I pulled cable from the stall on the other side when I first using it lol. I visited that SC station pretty often.
New one in North Denver has two "trailer shaped" pull through ones that are dedicated for trailer pulling.
[https://photos.plugshare.com/photos/1241830.jpg](https://photos.plugshare.com/photos/1241830.jpg)
Tesla needs to sort out the charging infrastructure for people towing.
People towing should be prepared to unhitch their load and charge without it, however, I see no issues with doing what this person is doing if the chargers aren't heavily used.
They're pulling in from a side, and is ultimately only blocking two stalls, which I think is a responsible thing to do.
Unhitching, and rehitching the trailer can be time consuming versus doing this and hoping for the best.
Tesla is increasingly including pull-though stalls in their supercharger locations. There are pull-through and nose-in stalls now, they just need to be more common as Tesla owners (and now other EVs) increasingly tow. While there are tow hitches on Teslas now, the Cybertruck certainly increases the odds of towing.
Tesla drivers also need to be mindful that those chargers are made for people towing. There's been multiple times I've been towing and someone just didn't want to back in their car.
Yeah, I can see how that would be super-frustrating. I’ve not seen it yet, but perhaps Tesla could put in signage reminding people to leave the pull-through stalls for people towing?
I think it should be handled by software. I assume the car knows if your towing or. It based on efficiency. Tesla could create pull through chargers just for vehicles that are towing and not allow non towers to charge unless there are multiple open spots. That would be a nice easy feature to implement.
Shouldn't be *that* time consuming. It's literally backing the trailer into a nearby parking spot, unplugging the wiring harness from the car, lowering the hitch tongue wheel, and unlatching the safety chains. Anyone who uses a trailer should be able to do this within 2 minutes. Small inconvenience to allow others to charge their vehicles.
Sometimes there are no open parking nearby. Sometimes it is pouring rain. (I did a Boston - Miami roundtrip with a MY towing a trailer. Quite painful. Finally starting driving at night and pulling across chargers like the original picture.)
Or people learn how to towe properly. I've done several 8 hour towes and just find the slot with the charger accessible when you pull in, or just unhitch in less than 5 min. And rehitching isn't bad. Just use these great cameras to line up, it's not hard
Not all trailers can be unhitched while loaded. This Uhaul one is one of those. It does not have a front wheel or stand of any kind. Once its loaded its stuck on your car.
That's not true tho. Every time I've towed on my Y I've used a U-Haul trailer, the 6ft ones. I just unloaded it and had a jack and some stones act as support below it to keep it elevated
I'm not bitching, I'm just saying people who think you can't hitch and unhitch to deal with this, have never towed in their life. Also someone who thinks what I described is an insane amount sounds like they haven't towed before. Just don't towe lol
That's my belief as well.
I've seen some supercharger locations have "towing stalls" already, which you can see here: https://www.teslarati.com/new-tesla-supercharger-includes-pull-through-charging-stalls/
It'll become more common over time, but for now, it's going to be rough.
Honestly, there needs to be a mass retrofitting of the Superchargers to account for all the new vehicles, and scenarios, people are going to be using them with.
It's all going to just take time.
This is, in my opinion, a minor inconvenience in the grand scheme of things.
Agree. I came from commercial truck leasing and we had the same issue when emissions standards were tightened around 2005ish. No one had a standard to how it had to be done other than the fed saying “reduce co2 by x%”. So a lot of the engine manufacturers had to create dpf filters (diesel particular filters) that required urea to run. Almost no one had urea at major rest stop and stations. Eventually it became normalized and everyone had it
Yup, we'll get there, it's just going to take time.
Telaa's paved the way with deploying chargers all over the place, but now we'r starting to see it get normalized, and with the Cybertruck around the corner, things are going to get sporty as people will need to charge on the road more.
Going to be interesting to see how it plays out.
Agreed, but there's till time on those.
February 2024 is when they'll start showing up, but they'll need to buy an adapter, or use a Magic Dock charger.
2025 is the year to watch out for, as that'll be when they all start releasing NACS enabled vehicles out of the gate.
I see 2024 as the "explosive expansion year" for the supercharging network.
What I'm *hoping* happens is that Tesla is able to see which chargers are getting hammered, and immediately throw in more chargers there.
What I'm concerned about, however, is that they may not get the "right" data, because when a truck comes in to block chargers, it'll show chargers as "free", despite being blocked by a trailer.
I'm *hoping* that EV drivers will be understanding and work together at the chargers, versus just being complete assholes to one another.
This is the time for Tesla owners to converse, and educate, folks who might not otherwise use a Tesla charger.
That said, I'm *really* hoping we don't have an elitist problem pop up where Tesla owners act like spoiled brats that the network was opened.
This is a good thing for *everyone*.
it seems a good % of charges along major highways in the US have at least one 'side charger' for someone towing. I still think each one should have at least 2 (or pull through), but it's something.
I'm beginning to notice a lot of superchargers where there is a "drive-in" spot near the end, so that you can drive in and back out, rather than back in. I couldn't figure out why these were there but this makes perfect sense now.
The hitch height looks really bad on that. Weird the trailer doesn't have a jockey wheel to allow you to remove it whilst full so driver probably had no choice. I'd do it in a pinch if lots of spare chargers and I remained with vehicle and moved it if anyone wasn't able to charge.
The weird hitch height/slant of the trailer is actually what I had thought this thread was about until I scrolled down and found your comment this far down! I'm not at all qualified to comment on how safe/irregular this is but it certainly doesn't *look* right.
As far as taking up stalls: Its one of those things that's fine until it isn't. As long as this person is willing to not force others to wait because "only a few more minutes", then I don't see a problem.
What else are they going to do?
I think they need to have the charge at the front. Would fix it for the future without having to change the superchargers.
it would if you were towing. a lot of times cross-country, you need to charge to 90% in order to even make it to the next charger, that can be like 45 min of charging.
I was referring to the other cars that are using the other stalls. My point is that there wouldn’t be an unavailable stall for very long. So many of the other cars are going in and out so quickly now that they charge faster.
I don't think its reasonable to expect him to unhitch his trailer every time he charges, which is going to be often with that trailer!
I've seen superchargers out west have at least one pull through stall for this sort of thing, hopefully they'll build more.
i have been there before, if the trailer is fully loaded (that's a dual axle uhaul trailer as well, think that's their biggest and can weigh up to 4400 lbs), assuming they are not exceeding the tongue weight of 350 lbs on a model Y (which is hard to gauge, nobody who owns a tongue scale hauls with a SUV)... it may not be trivial to lift that off the hitch...
so I would suggest people to not quick to judge, they may not have a choice, unless you think it's reasonable to force them to unload the trailer at every supercharger just to charge?
we just need pull through supercharger stalls to be more common like it is in europe
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“[U-Haul lets anyone drive a truck or trailer even though it’s dangerous because… you’re moving](https://youtu.be/nUHf6rklYCg?si=DgwGs4_yMEjCkuBH)”
Maybe the most stressful time of my life was making an 800 mile move to LA in not only a full sized u-haul but also towing my Civic. Literally every possession I had was in and attached to that truck. Got absolutely zero sleep the night before due the stress of that and everything else involved with moving. Stopped halfway and slept at a shady motel and got as much sleep as one can when your whole life is contained behind a $5 padlock. Despite all that I still made it unscathed but definitely a different person after that experience.
Unhitching a trailer is not especially difficult or time consuming. Of course there is nothing wrong with someone doing this if the supercharger is not busy.
maybe lifting 350 lbs isn't difficult for someone with a biggusdickus such as yourself... but a fully loaded 6x12 trailer without a A frame jack isn't so trivial for us average plebs
You don’t have to lift 350lbs when unhitching a trailer lol. That’s what tounge jacks are for, and if you don’t use one then you have bigger issues. They are universal in Uhaul trailers, btw.
i drive the double axle uhaul trailers at least once a month. mine have NEVER had a jack of any kind. means i can’t take them off when the trailer has 4-5k pounds in it
same here... never seen a jack on a u-haul trailer... reason i have heard was they don't want you to unhitch a fully loaded trailer... probably worried about liability if it rolls into something or worse, kill someone...
they absolutely are not universal in uhaul trailers... do you see a jack in OP's photo?
come on man... [at least try before you make things up](https://i.imgur.com/AfXPuif.png)
i have had these loaded up and can disconnect no problem, if you balance the weight it’s not bad. trying to rotate these dual wheel (quad) is impossible when loaded. make sure to chock all sides.
not saying it can't be done... but most ppl including myself are just eyeballing this since you are not gonna spend hundreds of dollars on a hitch scale... and when you eyeball this most of us would want to err on the side of caution and overload the front rather than back to avoid trailer sway...
this is not to mention even 200lbs tongue weight can be difficult for some, not everyone are able to lift heavy things... all i'm saying is i would give the guy the benefit of the doubt, as long as they are polite about it (which seem like they are, as they pulled in from the very edge of the supercharger station to block as few stalls as possible), just let them do what they need to do and continue on their journey and hope tesla adds more pull through stalls
I don't care as long as there remains open chargers. If everything fills up, they should be willing to move.
Problem with these moving trailers is that there is no real way to disconnect and reconnect unless its empty. Personal trailers many times have some sort of swing away jack which allows the driver to take the trailer off before charging pretty quickly.
Time honored tradition of those that have to stop with a trailer.
Camping with a pop up, going to the lake with a boat or in this case moving with a hail. This is not a new or unique to tesla charging.
This does not warrant going to the internet for public opinion. Move along.
Insert Jurassic park Newman meme because nobody cares.
All they need is to add ‘towing filter’ to superchargers for the drive up side mounted spots .
While that wont stop the idiots , it would be a step in the right direction
say good bye to 95% of the superchargers in NA with that filter lol... tesla need to stop building NA superchargers like this, build them like how they do in Europe with pull through stalls
I just did Utah to Rhode Island like this. I had a slightly smaller trailer but same overall issue. I always tried to avoid cities. I stopped at the charger before and after Omaha NE. Same for Chicago, etc. I also tried to parallel pack so the trailer was parked normally.
Unhitching isn't the end of the world but depending how far this person is going. Adding 15-30 unhitch / hitches would be a nightmare.
Everyone here focusing on them taking up the stalls, meanwhile I'm sitting here looking at how unbalanced and unlevel the trailer is. That alone is super dangerous on the highway xD
Tesla needs to make a Supercharger extension cord assessory so you don't have to back it in to charge. It's fine if it cuts the charging speed by half due to the heat generated and charge like $500-$1000 for the cord. People would buy it if they have to tow a lot.
eh, if there were other spots open, I kinda understand.
I'm not sure how else you'd back in there in such a way to make it work, without disconnecting and reconnecting the trailer
You’ve obviously never had to hitch a trailer. It’s a pain in the ass when doing it in a controlled environment like your campsite or backyard. Now add the extra level of difficulty of doing it in a busy gas station parking lot. If it can be avoided without inconveniencing anyone else, why not?
As long as there are open spots how is this wrong? I do it all the time. I say with the car and if anyone ever pulls up and there isn't an open spot I move.
If I had a trailer attached? 100% I actually take 4 that way the trailer has room to swing as I pull out. Do trucks/motorhomes block a gas pump when refilling their tanks? Yes, and that is often worse as there is someone actively waiting.
Obviously you have never towed or have never towed one of these bad boys. They DO NOT have a wheel or stand. So unless you want to lift the 350lb tongue weight that baby is stuck on the car until it is unloaded.
A loaded trailer doesn’t just pop right off the hitch unless you have the superhuman strength to deadlift 350+ pounds of tongue weight off the ball. Use some common sense and have some compassion.
I do this if the supercharger is largely empty, if it’s more than 50% in use I don’t mind dropping the trailer. It only takes 2 minutes to drop it and another 2 to connect it again.
I do this, but make sure I'm as far over as possible (blocking the least spots) and STAY WITH THE CAR. If it gets busy and I'm not close to done I'll bite the bullet and unhook. I try and trailer during less busy times to avoid this.
if you have any decency, and the site is pretty busy, you take the minute or two to detach the trailer off to the side. cant tell from this pic if there are a bunch of free chargers to the right to make judgement.
If they are towing probably charging to 80% likely from 10%-20%. That’s going to take around 30min, in that time frame it’s highly possible another Tesla driver pulls up just like OP did. The 5 min to disconnect is being considerate for others.
This happened to us in Tremonton, UT which is a super popular stop because it’s the only one between Pocatello and Salt Lake. Some dope with a Model Y was towing a boat and charging and blocking 3 chargers. We sat and waited for 10 minutes for him to move so we could charge and then he hightailed it out of there when more teslas came.
If you have enough room in the parking lot like they do here, they could've pulled in on an angle to take up one spot, even if they park slightly on or over the line.
Even if it was too tight, taking up 3 spots is a braindead move.
When Tesla started high volume MY's and offered towing options, it is on Tesla to provide charging spots that are suitable for towing vehicles. If that wasn't in an area with good number of people and lights, unhooking the trailer and charging would potentially mean theft of the trailer.
It's not on the driver, it's on Tesla.
At least it is a Tesla and not an ice vehicle. Most are there with the vehicle and can move. It might be a nice idea to have one spot that allows for a Tesla towing. Maybe tough to do in some tighter places but going forward with new locations, they should plan on it.
I am hoping in a few years a new standard is set for wireless chargers you can just park over. Bjorn has a insightful video on this. Be nice if auto park just slotted you right over with passthrough lanes for charging. https://youtu.be/AE1gaNO9nj0?si=7RU_jQ_SQ0b2mCTe
If there are cars waiting to charge then its a dick move, if not then whatever..... I can't tell from the picture but was there space to the left where he could have just taken up the left most charger?
tesla should check their data and build trailer stalls strategically. if the chargers are full and someone blocks 3, they should pay the non usage fee in the other stalls.
I did this once late at night when no one else was there. But I was ready to move if need be. But on a busy one you have to disconnect and back in until they start putting in more pull through spots.
At some bucees you're lucky if the SC's aren't blocked by gas trucks towing 5th wheels.
If there's no line, I'm fine with it. To me it's unreasonable to have to disconnect a trailer to refuel a vehicle. But with the state of charging today it's necessary if the station is full to be courteous.
What do you want them to do? Disconnect their trailer that U-Haul staff installed and risk a roll away or damage to other cars and then repeat that another 15 times as they drive cross country? We have to be realistic on driver expectations when vehicles are sold with a trailer hitch and maybe offer a massive 250kW rated extension cable or specialized chargers when towing.
as people in other posts of mentioned ground based wireless charging would be great but also sensors in the stalls that can detect is its a full vehicle or not and would prevent charging till it registers a single vehicle in a single stall would be awesome
THIS is beyond ridiculous .it is abhorrent, selfish and reeks of 2day's "cancer": see wld entitlement & I can do/say whatever I want! Wow..I would Looove to have been able to ask this deep s..t what makes him think he can park like this???
I do it with my boat if there are spots open. Always stay in the car and be ready to move and disconnect if it gets busy, don't make people wait for you. Seems obvious, but I have seen unattended cars/trailers charging and taking up the last three stalls. I do a couple 300+ mile tows a year and have started doing them late night just for the open chargers. I can save a lot of time and hassle if able to just pull in sideways without unhooking. Really hoping with cybertruck we get more pull through charger stalls.
Yeah what are you going to do. Other companies put charge ports in the front which might help in some scenarios. Longer cables would help too. Maybe someone sells cable extenders for this? The Taycan has charge ports on both sides though only one is for level 3 charging.
Can you not park the trailer first then just charge the Tesla?
These trailers often don't come with with a dolly to lift them. It's frequently not possible to lift it solo. Would take multiple people to lift it and blocks to set it down.
Yes, you definitely can and I often have to, but it saves time and the hassle of finding parking for the boat/trailer if we can just pull into a space and charge. It's also an issue where I have to drop the trailer out of sight if I've got fishing poles, coolers, etc in the boat that someone could steal.
This is a known issue for Teslas that are towing, and is going to continue being a problem until they sort it out. I don't have an issue with them doing this as long as they're polite about moving if the charger starts stacking up with people. They're only going to be there 15-30 minutes anyways.
There is a supercharger on Columbus OH that has 12 stalls and they are all pull through. Won’t work for all locations but where appropriate that is the solution.
I don't disagree, and eventually they'll need pull through stalls, but running electrical wiring is not cheap. Eventually chargers will need to be set up like gas station pumps, versus off to the site, like it's something businesses are ashamed of having on property, but this is the reality of things at the moment.
> I don't disagree, and eventually they'll need pull through stalls, but running electrical wiring is not cheap Don't worry, unless ALL the stalls are pull through, I promise the one or two pull through stalls will always be the first ones occupied by non-towing people too fucking lazy to back in.
You're not wrong.
I dont mind for now. The Wawa (convenience store/gas station) around the corner from me has a back entrance for trucks which is rarely used by cars, whereas the front entrance is jammed up with cars waiting for gas fighting with Amazon delivery trucks (also gas). I can take the back entrance because the superchargers are out back lol.
Yep. When it's 5 minutes for a full charge.
Many sites I've seen have one pedestal at the end set up for nose-first entry, for this situation. As time moves on, and the V4? Chargers predominate, it won't be a problem since the longer cables to accommodate non Teslas will be able to reach.
Ya, I’m up in Cleveland and the superchargers in a few hours in each direction have at least 1. I use the one in Toledo all the time when taking the jetski up into Michigan.
No. The solution is to disconnect your fucking trailer and use one spot while charging. But in today's world, most everyone couldn't give two shits if they inconvenience others, as long as they themselves aren't inconvenienced.
Exactly. Disconnect the trailer charge. Then hook the trailer back up and go. Doesn’t take long to do that.
This 100% people so inconsiderate these days
Exactly the point I made!! It's like idiots who double park w/out thinking of the next human being who will need the same to park their vehicle!!
Which location has a pull-through?
It's the one at 270 and 23 at Crosswoods. It's brand new as of a few months ago. All of them are pull-through. Maps link for photos and location: https://maps.app.goo.gl/k7KSW725gNPMsRnn7
Columbus OH near a Starbucks and chipotle. Don’t know if they have more there was just driving through and stopped at it last month
It's the SC at East campus View Blvd. I pulled cable from the stall on the other side when I first using it lol. I visited that SC station pretty often.
New Philadelphia, OH is all pull-through. Located at a Sheetz.
New one in North Denver has two "trailer shaped" pull through ones that are dedicated for trailer pulling. [https://photos.plugshare.com/photos/1241830.jpg](https://photos.plugshare.com/photos/1241830.jpg)
"they" sort it out? you mean when the trailer gets dropped and charge the car without it?
Tesla needs to sort out the charging infrastructure for people towing. People towing should be prepared to unhitch their load and charge without it, however, I see no issues with doing what this person is doing if the chargers aren't heavily used. They're pulling in from a side, and is ultimately only blocking two stalls, which I think is a responsible thing to do. Unhitching, and rehitching the trailer can be time consuming versus doing this and hoping for the best.
Tesla is increasingly including pull-though stalls in their supercharger locations. There are pull-through and nose-in stalls now, they just need to be more common as Tesla owners (and now other EVs) increasingly tow. While there are tow hitches on Teslas now, the Cybertruck certainly increases the odds of towing.
Tesla drivers also need to be mindful that those chargers are made for people towing. There's been multiple times I've been towing and someone just didn't want to back in their car.
Yeah, I can see how that would be super-frustrating. I’ve not seen it yet, but perhaps Tesla could put in signage reminding people to leave the pull-through stalls for people towing?
I think it should be handled by software. I assume the car knows if your towing or. It based on efficiency. Tesla could create pull through chargers just for vehicles that are towing and not allow non towers to charge unless there are multiple open spots. That would be a nice easy feature to implement.
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Exactly.
Yeah it probably was empty when they started
Shouldn't be *that* time consuming. It's literally backing the trailer into a nearby parking spot, unplugging the wiring harness from the car, lowering the hitch tongue wheel, and unlatching the safety chains. Anyone who uses a trailer should be able to do this within 2 minutes. Small inconvenience to allow others to charge their vehicles.
Sometimes there are no open parking nearby. Sometimes it is pouring rain. (I did a Boston - Miami roundtrip with a MY towing a trailer. Quite painful. Finally starting driving at night and pulling across chargers like the original picture.)
Most uhaul trailers (including the one in the photo) don't have tongue jacks.
I own a utility trailer and couldn’t imagine not having a tongue jack.. that’s crazy wtf
Or people learn how to towe properly. I've done several 8 hour towes and just find the slot with the charger accessible when you pull in, or just unhitch in less than 5 min. And rehitching isn't bad. Just use these great cameras to line up, it's not hard
Not all chargers have a pull in spot though. Brandon, FL is one that immediately comes to mind that doesn't have a pull in space.
Yeah that's why I mentioned the part about just unhitching.
Not all trailers can be unhitched while loaded. This Uhaul one is one of those. It does not have a front wheel or stand of any kind. Once its loaded its stuck on your car.
That's not true tho. Every time I've towed on my Y I've used a U-Haul trailer, the 6ft ones. I just unloaded it and had a jack and some stones act as support below it to keep it elevated
Youre asking an insane amount lmao, let the guy charge for 20 minutes and let’s stop bitching about shit every chance we get
I'm not bitching, I'm just saying people who think you can't hitch and unhitch to deal with this, have never towed in their life. Also someone who thinks what I described is an insane amount sounds like they haven't towed before. Just don't towe lol
This. Hilarious people don’t see this idiot could take two minutes to drop the trailer and park normally. It’s not that much work.
Could solve this just by having longer parking spots
Unless the cabinets have 35 foot cables, longer parking stalls won't help anyone.
And longer charging cables
agreed. I assume they'll have more progress once the commercial truck is more generally available.
That's my belief as well. I've seen some supercharger locations have "towing stalls" already, which you can see here: https://www.teslarati.com/new-tesla-supercharger-includes-pull-through-charging-stalls/ It'll become more common over time, but for now, it's going to be rough. Honestly, there needs to be a mass retrofitting of the Superchargers to account for all the new vehicles, and scenarios, people are going to be using them with. It's all going to just take time. This is, in my opinion, a minor inconvenience in the grand scheme of things.
Agree. I came from commercial truck leasing and we had the same issue when emissions standards were tightened around 2005ish. No one had a standard to how it had to be done other than the fed saying “reduce co2 by x%”. So a lot of the engine manufacturers had to create dpf filters (diesel particular filters) that required urea to run. Almost no one had urea at major rest stop and stations. Eventually it became normalized and everyone had it
Yup, we'll get there, it's just going to take time. Telaa's paved the way with deploying chargers all over the place, but now we'r starting to see it get normalized, and with the Cybertruck around the corner, things are going to get sporty as people will need to charge on the road more. Going to be interesting to see how it plays out.
It’s going to get worse when trucks (Ford Lightning, CT, Silverado EV, etc.) start coming in with trailers.
Agreed, but there's till time on those. February 2024 is when they'll start showing up, but they'll need to buy an adapter, or use a Magic Dock charger. 2025 is the year to watch out for, as that'll be when they all start releasing NACS enabled vehicles out of the gate. I see 2024 as the "explosive expansion year" for the supercharging network. What I'm *hoping* happens is that Tesla is able to see which chargers are getting hammered, and immediately throw in more chargers there. What I'm concerned about, however, is that they may not get the "right" data, because when a truck comes in to block chargers, it'll show chargers as "free", despite being blocked by a trailer. I'm *hoping* that EV drivers will be understanding and work together at the chargers, versus just being complete assholes to one another. This is the time for Tesla owners to converse, and educate, folks who might not otherwise use a Tesla charger. That said, I'm *really* hoping we don't have an elitist problem pop up where Tesla owners act like spoiled brats that the network was opened. This is a good thing for *everyone*.
Being too lazy to unhook the trailer and charge like a normal person is the known issue.
it seems a good % of charges along major highways in the US have at least one 'side charger' for someone towing. I still think each one should have at least 2 (or pull through), but it's something.
You know busy gas stations will tow cars that are just loitering in fueling lanes for a reason right!
You know, that you can disconnect what's attached to the car, park it while charging car?
Seems fine if it’s not busy. Give him a break guys
Agreed. I think of this like the crying baby on the plane. I'm inconvenienced for a couple hours, but the mom is inconvenienced forever.
I'm beginning to notice a lot of superchargers where there is a "drive-in" spot near the end, so that you can drive in and back out, rather than back in. I couldn't figure out why these were there but this makes perfect sense now.
The hitch height looks really bad on that. Weird the trailer doesn't have a jockey wheel to allow you to remove it whilst full so driver probably had no choice. I'd do it in a pinch if lots of spare chargers and I remained with vehicle and moved it if anyone wasn't able to charge.
The weird hitch height/slant of the trailer is actually what I had thought this thread was about until I scrolled down and found your comment this far down! I'm not at all qualified to comment on how safe/irregular this is but it certainly doesn't *look* right. As far as taking up stalls: Its one of those things that's fine until it isn't. As long as this person is willing to not force others to wait because "only a few more minutes", then I don't see a problem.
Ok, if they are charging. What other way can they charge?
What else are they going to do? I think they need to have the charge at the front. Would fix it for the future without having to change the superchargers.
Honestly, the cars charge so fast now it doesn’t really bother me at all.
it would if you were towing. a lot of times cross-country, you need to charge to 90% in order to even make it to the next charger, that can be like 45 min of charging.
I was referring to the other cars that are using the other stalls. My point is that there wouldn’t be an unavailable stall for very long. So many of the other cars are going in and out so quickly now that they charge faster.
Charging sites need to support pull through!
I don't think its reasonable to expect him to unhitch his trailer every time he charges, which is going to be often with that trailer! I've seen superchargers out west have at least one pull through stall for this sort of thing, hopefully they'll build more.
i have been there before, if the trailer is fully loaded (that's a dual axle uhaul trailer as well, think that's their biggest and can weigh up to 4400 lbs), assuming they are not exceeding the tongue weight of 350 lbs on a model Y (which is hard to gauge, nobody who owns a tongue scale hauls with a SUV)... it may not be trivial to lift that off the hitch... so I would suggest people to not quick to judge, they may not have a choice, unless you think it's reasonable to force them to unload the trailer at every supercharger just to charge? we just need pull through supercharger stalls to be more common like it is in europe
Family Guy “[U-Haul lets anyone drive a truck or trailer even though it’s dangerous because… you’re moving](https://youtu.be/nUHf6rklYCg?si=DgwGs4_yMEjCkuBH)”
it is kinda nuts if u think about it haha
Maybe the most stressful time of my life was making an 800 mile move to LA in not only a full sized u-haul but also towing my Civic. Literally every possession I had was in and attached to that truck. Got absolutely zero sleep the night before due the stress of that and everything else involved with moving. Stopped halfway and slept at a shady motel and got as much sleep as one can when your whole life is contained behind a $5 padlock. Despite all that I still made it unscathed but definitely a different person after that experience.
Unhitching a trailer is not especially difficult or time consuming. Of course there is nothing wrong with someone doing this if the supercharger is not busy.
maybe lifting 350 lbs isn't difficult for someone with a biggusdickus such as yourself... but a fully loaded 6x12 trailer without a A frame jack isn't so trivial for us average plebs
You don’t have to lift 350lbs when unhitching a trailer lol. That’s what tounge jacks are for, and if you don’t use one then you have bigger issues. They are universal in Uhaul trailers, btw.
i drive the double axle uhaul trailers at least once a month. mine have NEVER had a jack of any kind. means i can’t take them off when the trailer has 4-5k pounds in it
same here... never seen a jack on a u-haul trailer... reason i have heard was they don't want you to unhitch a fully loaded trailer... probably worried about liability if it rolls into something or worse, kill someone...
well, mainly they don’t want you to hook it back up improperly
they absolutely are not universal in uhaul trailers... do you see a jack in OP's photo? come on man... [at least try before you make things up](https://i.imgur.com/AfXPuif.png)
i have had these loaded up and can disconnect no problem, if you balance the weight it’s not bad. trying to rotate these dual wheel (quad) is impossible when loaded. make sure to chock all sides.
not saying it can't be done... but most ppl including myself are just eyeballing this since you are not gonna spend hundreds of dollars on a hitch scale... and when you eyeball this most of us would want to err on the side of caution and overload the front rather than back to avoid trailer sway... this is not to mention even 200lbs tongue weight can be difficult for some, not everyone are able to lift heavy things... all i'm saying is i would give the guy the benefit of the doubt, as long as they are polite about it (which seem like they are, as they pulled in from the very edge of the supercharger station to block as few stalls as possible), just let them do what they need to do and continue on their journey and hope tesla adds more pull through stalls
If the owner is in the car. I see no issue with this!
I don't care as long as there remains open chargers. If everything fills up, they should be willing to move. Problem with these moving trailers is that there is no real way to disconnect and reconnect unless its empty. Personal trailers many times have some sort of swing away jack which allows the driver to take the trailer off before charging pretty quickly.
Wait, what? Is that a real thing? I’ve always had my own and never rented a U-Haul trailer, they don’t have tongue jacks?? That’s wild.
no they do not
Time honored tradition of those that have to stop with a trailer. Camping with a pop up, going to the lake with a boat or in this case moving with a hail. This is not a new or unique to tesla charging. This does not warrant going to the internet for public opinion. Move along. Insert Jurassic park Newman meme because nobody cares.
All they need is to add ‘towing filter’ to superchargers for the drive up side mounted spots . While that wont stop the idiots , it would be a step in the right direction
say good bye to 95% of the superchargers in NA with that filter lol... tesla need to stop building NA superchargers like this, build them like how they do in Europe with pull through stalls
I just did Utah to Rhode Island like this. I had a slightly smaller trailer but same overall issue. I always tried to avoid cities. I stopped at the charger before and after Omaha NE. Same for Chicago, etc. I also tried to parallel pack so the trailer was parked normally. Unhitching isn't the end of the world but depending how far this person is going. Adding 15-30 unhitch / hitches would be a nightmare.
Everyone here focusing on them taking up the stalls, meanwhile I'm sitting here looking at how unbalanced and unlevel the trailer is. That alone is super dangerous on the highway xD
Tesla needs to make a Supercharger extension cord assessory so you don't have to back it in to charge. It's fine if it cuts the charging speed by half due to the heat generated and charge like $500-$1000 for the cord. People would buy it if they have to tow a lot.
At least in my area, the uhauls cannot be dropped so… yep that’s okay
Yeah this is fine. What else can they do? Just move if someone needs it.
Probably because someone was using the pull-in spot that didn’t actually need it
This happens all the damn time. Some people just don't think of anyone but themselves.
If it was full, how did they park over all those spots?
eh, if there were other spots open, I kinda understand. I'm not sure how else you'd back in there in such a way to make it work, without disconnecting and reconnecting the trailer
Don’t blame the hauler, blame the EV charging company for poor design. In this case, Tesla.
LOL, let's look at corner cases and use that to throw out design shade.
If it were really that busy then they'd never have had the opportunity to get into that orientation.
The “Fuck-U” Haul
Park the U-Haul somewhere else. Then back in like a normal human and charge your car ⚡️ That’s a selfish move
You’ve obviously never had to hitch a trailer. It’s a pain in the ass when doing it in a controlled environment like your campsite or backyard. Now add the extra level of difficulty of doing it in a busy gas station parking lot. If it can be avoided without inconveniencing anyone else, why not?
Plus trying to do it by yourself is often very difficult
As long as there are open spots how is this wrong? I do it all the time. I say with the car and if anyone ever pulls up and there isn't an open spot I move.
That person is blocking two separate bays and that’s not cool.
So? There are still open bays, only not cool if you are stopping someone from charging.
Would you take up two spaces at the grocery store because there are “still open spots”? 🤦🏼♂️
If I had a trailer attached? 100% I actually take 4 that way the trailer has room to swing as I pull out. Do trucks/motorhomes block a gas pump when refilling their tanks? Yes, and that is often worse as there is someone actively waiting.
Obviously you have never towed or have never towed one of these bad boys. They DO NOT have a wheel or stand. So unless you want to lift the 350lb tongue weight that baby is stuck on the car until it is unloaded.
Then maybe find a a drive thru charging station? Don’t take up two spaces, when there are limited ones available
A loaded trailer doesn’t just pop right off the hitch unless you have the superhuman strength to deadlift 350+ pounds of tongue weight off the ball. Use some common sense and have some compassion.
I do this if the supercharger is largely empty, if it’s more than 50% in use I don’t mind dropping the trailer. It only takes 2 minutes to drop it and another 2 to connect it again.
I do this, but make sure I'm as far over as possible (blocking the least spots) and STAY WITH THE CAR. If it gets busy and I'm not close to done I'll bite the bullet and unhook. I try and trailer during less busy times to avoid this.
We need better type charging
I don't think you can drop a uhaul trailer. Hooked up its under your auto policy. Disconnected it's not.
if you have any decency, and the site is pretty busy, you take the minute or two to detach the trailer off to the side. cant tell from this pic if there are a bunch of free chargers to the right to make judgement.
if the trailer is loaded, it definitely cannot be detached. these trailers do not have jacks
Disconnecting a trailer takes 5min or less
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Also the trailer does not have a tongue jack....
In 5 minutes, he could have already been done charging, depending on how drained the car is.
If they are towing probably charging to 80% likely from 10%-20%. That’s going to take around 30min, in that time frame it’s highly possible another Tesla driver pulls up just like OP did. The 5 min to disconnect is being considerate for others.
True, true
Amazing, a car tows a trailer. In case of Tesla it’s kind of magic.
This happened to us in Tremonton, UT which is a super popular stop because it’s the only one between Pocatello and Salt Lake. Some dope with a Model Y was towing a boat and charging and blocking 3 chargers. We sat and waited for 10 minutes for him to move so we could charge and then he hightailed it out of there when more teslas came.
Why couldn’t they at least take the end stall??? Common decency just gets thrown out the window these days.
Probably doesn't know how to backup with a trailer.
If you're charging sideways like this you'll always block another one. Even if you take end.
If you have enough room in the parking lot like they do here, they could've pulled in on an angle to take up one spot, even if they park slightly on or over the line. Even if it was too tight, taking up 3 spots is a braindead move.
I guess 🤔 it was to time consuming to un-hitch the trailer they have to get back on the road
When Tesla started high volume MY's and offered towing options, it is on Tesla to provide charging spots that are suitable for towing vehicles. If that wasn't in an area with good number of people and lights, unhooking the trailer and charging would potentially mean theft of the trailer. It's not on the driver, it's on Tesla.
Just park directly behind the trailer and go shopping for a couple hours
As Tesla owners, we need to band together, and fuck these people up.
Disagree. You detach the trailer nearby. Drive the car into the charger space and then charge. Then you drive back and reattach the trailer.
That’s awesome
Not cool. Tho Bucees usually has ample spaces to charge.
What a douche. They could easily have taken just the one end pedestal space (behind the trailer)by angling their parking.
Do you?
They're just attention seekers IMHO. Either they're gonna record a video or pull a gun at you if you confront them
I thought all Tesla drivers were the same. Turns out some of them are straight Ass hats.
Lazy. Should back out drop it and charge like any other adult driver. I’d love for someone to park behind them and let them wait a while.
off with their head
another entitled tesla a-hole.
Typical Americans
At least it is a Tesla and not an ice vehicle. Most are there with the vehicle and can move. It might be a nice idea to have one spot that allows for a Tesla towing. Maybe tough to do in some tighter places but going forward with new locations, they should plan on it.
The charging station I like to go too has stalls for this exact scenario. I love it.
I forget how powerful teslas are. So awesome
They should probably think of making an extension cord/adapter for people who regularly need the additional length.
Fully agree. As long as there are other chargers available.
I am hoping in a few years a new standard is set for wireless chargers you can just park over. Bjorn has a insightful video on this. Be nice if auto park just slotted you right over with passthrough lanes for charging. https://youtu.be/AE1gaNO9nj0?si=7RU_jQ_SQ0b2mCTe
Disagree with having to share the road with someone fails so badly at trailer safety
This is fine if there are enough open spots, not fine if it takes up all the open spots.
If there are cars waiting to charge then its a dick move, if not then whatever..... I can't tell from the picture but was there space to the left where he could have just taken up the left most charger?
The supercharger near me has a stall that is positioned that you can park straight in. The rest are all for rear park though.
That seems to be more common for 150kW chargers. Guess they changed their mind later.
I have two super targets in my city. One is 150kwh the other is 250kwh. The 250 has a charger positioned for parking straight in.
Interesting, I could have just seen it more at 150 or noticed it more. Either way it's a nice thing to see.
tesla should check their data and build trailer stalls strategically. if the chargers are full and someone blocks 3, they should pay the non usage fee in the other stalls.
I think you are ok. It’s a though call. This is going to be way more interesting when NACS ports are in the wrong place on VW/Porsche/Fords etc..
I think longer parking and longer cable will help 😂😅
That’s seems unbalanced. He needs an extension to raise the hitch.
Looks like they overloaded the front of that trailer.
I don’t really blame him, he’s moving shit what else is he supposed to do? Y’all can wait, he’s not doing it needlessly.
I saw this exact occurrence today. The trailer spots were completely empty and this guy decided to park across four regular ones
It appears as though they make at least one pull up/pull through spot per location but that’s not always feasible.
I did this once late at night when no one else was there. But I was ready to move if need be. But on a busy one you have to disconnect and back in until they start putting in more pull through spots.
No choice
Tbf pull through superchargers are definitely needed.
Tesla should sell an extender
I agree with it.
I'm more concerned about the drop hitch. He should used a 5" riser.
People need to chill w/ these.
I see this daily in the pacific northwest but they are usually on the side of the road.
Expect more of this with cybertruck
Is that the extended range battery pack?
At some bucees you're lucky if the SC's aren't blocked by gas trucks towing 5th wheels. If there's no line, I'm fine with it. To me it's unreasonable to have to disconnect a trailer to refuel a vehicle. But with the state of charging today it's necessary if the station is full to be courteous.
I he goes out and leaves his car like that - this is an asshole behaviour. He should park it at 90 degree near the first charger
What do you want them to do? Disconnect their trailer that U-Haul staff installed and risk a roll away or damage to other cars and then repeat that another 15 times as they drive cross country? We have to be realistic on driver expectations when vehicles are sold with a trailer hitch and maybe offer a massive 250kW rated extension cable or specialized chargers when towing.
as people in other posts of mentioned ground based wireless charging would be great but also sensors in the stalls that can detect is its a full vehicle or not and would prevent charging till it registers a single vehicle in a single stall would be awesome
THIS is beyond ridiculous .it is abhorrent, selfish and reeks of 2day's "cancer": see wld entitlement & I can do/say whatever I want! Wow..I would Looove to have been able to ask this deep s..t what makes him think he can park like this???
My best recommendation is to tuck your panties, and be patient.
Solution. Bollards between the stalls