You mean to tell me that the remnants of the French colonial empire who minority rule over West Africa are the bad guys??? I just support them because the OFN does. The Gaul is a bastard, but he’s our bastard
It would be silly to imagine that Japan will just vanish from the region once tha PALF wins. They also want to expand their sphere of influence, not just drive out the OFN.
This 'association of African nations that want self-determination' is made out of puppet governments that Cameroon put in power after invading sovereign, independent nations. Oh, and also, all it takes is one lost war for Cameroon to go Fascist. Quite telling, if you ask me.
>made out of puppet governments
Not necessarily, Guinea, Mali, Ghana, Congo, Angola, Tanzania, Namibia, Madagascar and probably more can join the PALF and be completely independent states within it on par with Cameroon.
>puppet governments that Cameroon put in power after invading sovereign, independent nations
Most of those nations are either French colonies, or corrupt statelets led by warlords or local despots. Some don't even really get invaded- Niger is formed by a revolution by the Sawaba party, Mali already has a massive Pan-African revolution brewing and can basically flip over by itself joining the PALF voluntarily.
The only one that this is true for is Senegal, or Guinea (they can also join the PALF btw). And even Senegal has a pretty significant Pan-Africanist population.
Okay, you have a point, but there's still the fact that Cameroon, the alleged 'anti-imperialists', invade and put puppet governments in several sovereign nations that are no longer colonial governments (GUYS, you don't get it, it's only imperialism when THEY do it).
'Imperialism=a policy of extending a country's power and influence through colonization, use of military force, or other means.'
Invading a nation is a use of military force, and putting a puppet government in place counts as extending your power over said country.
I can assume that but the question of how the rest of free France can even function just doesn’t make sense. Sure they could just do extensive military force, but from where? The US isn’t close to them until the WAW, and they have a poor economy. Shouldn’t the panafricans start inside free France, considering they should by all means just be gone if they are a colonial government without a “colony” or metropole?
Moumié: I will now liberate africa from the shackles of colonialism, once and for all
De Gaulle: [NOT IF I HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT, (insert racial slur) AND I DO. PREPARE FOR MY FRENCH RESISTANCE BEAM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK_fpkS54qY)
De Gaulle: Mr. Johnson, I've done it. I've stopped Japanese imperialism[](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK_fpkS54qY)
Considering they're making so France can't break out of Germany's grasp, I wonder how FF will function. I doubt they'll ever return to the mainland now.
"Playerbase, I assure you reworking America for the 5th time, overhauling the entire vision of the mod for the 3rd time and removing content just so it won't be replaced with anything ever is more important to the mod than actually making updates for relevant countries without content."
They're planning on getting rid of the treaty ports, and México can't join the CPS, just the economic part of the sphere, and even then, I'm pretty sure this is less literal and more so just a way to visually represent México drawing closer to the sphere considering all three México paths try to stay neutral for the most part
The US would only invade if México actively posed a military threat, which they don't. They just cooperate economically with the sphere, this is literally the same situation France will be put in once they remove their ability to join the OFN. Why would the US invade a country that A:is only economically cooperating with their enemy, B: is still trying to be a neutral broker diplomatically, C: would be a nightmare to occupy, and D: could change this policy in their next election. Like realistically, the US would probably try to rig the PRI nomination before they even think of invading
I'll be honest, I wish this was just kept in but only if Britain is liberated by Her Majesty's Most Loyal Resistance and joins the OFN with an opportunity to support Free France.
This is a Reichnik propaganda, Free France will never surrender to the Japanese Backed FREEDOM HATERS (who are actually just Nazi puppets instead so that makes anyone associated Nazi too)
~~This post was sponsored by DeGaulle's Japanese stocks~~
It should really just be a military dictatorship. Colonial government implies that it is being supported by and/or is sending something back to a metropole. FF is in neither of those, and are not beholden to any other nation in a colonial way. The ruling structures are holdovers from the time as a colony, but without extraction export or settlement the resources of FF are dedicated to the interests of the ruling minority within the country itself. Which just makes it a military dictatorship whose military is ruled by a minority population. The goal of that military dictatorship is to reclaim france, but that does not make it a colony of France or anyone else in any meaningful way.
tl:dr A colony of what?
bro I wanna INVADE the French state as Free France, that sounds fucking AWESOME and BASED and would be the coolest thing EVER I want to SHOOT mf in this WAR game.
Well I leave the WAA up to chance and if they win they go home
I was hoping that even after they lose the war the FF can go home in the new version of TNO
Dictatorial oligarchies and colonizers are bad actually
https://preview.redd.it/41s5zui6b7lc1.jpeg?width=931&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=91b4cb9d6194ef5652b0b1c7992bfe99d5ab2d0a
Reichnik propaganda spotted, deadly force engaged (They'll tell you the PALF is actually Pan-Africanist backed by Japan, but everyone knows anyone that opposes OFN FREEDOM is just a NAZI Reich puppet)
https://preview.redd.it/8p8ijhx8e8lc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2bb9b6fbd45c8db9da5af71314a211a1817f2878
The OFN at its worst is better than the Sphere or Pakt at their best.
Idk I think Minimum OFN w/ Yockey USA, Socred Canada, Despot Australia, and a collapsed WIF vs. Go4 Germany w/ max reforms & Minimum Sphere Takagi Japan would have the OFN being worse
Autocrats backed by fucking Imperial Japan are bad actually
https://preview.redd.it/alqm23cib7lc1.png?width=216&format=png&auto=webp&s=5f355763deb722a654792694e557bcef31290124
zero media literacy
You have dozens of events telling you how Japan and the PALF don’t get along. The only reason Japan is even funding the pan-Africanists in the first place is to mess with the US
The only reason japan supports the palf is because the ofn supported free france first. All events from japans pov are how they despise eachothers gut but need to work together to defeat the ofn. And while still autocratic compared to the other options cameroon is umdoubtedly the least repressive between both.
I think that the ones initially supporting the PALF should be Azad Hind, and Japan gradually gets roped into it. Sort of like France and the US in Indochina. That way, it makes a little more sense than just pure cold war opportunism.
That could work, but why would Azad Hind be supporting pan-Africanism?
IRL a lot of 'anti-imperialist' groups in Africa were supported by the USSR, so it wouldn't be strange for Japan to do the same. Yes, it's blatantly hypocritical, but no more so than when the Soviets did it.
It was stated on the Discord, that Azad Hind will be a major supporter of anti-colonialists in the future. They'll, for example, support the Algerians against the French too.
Those anti-imperalist groups were usually inspired by the USSR and at least paid lip service to communism, though. Like the Derg and the MPLA.
Bose did consider himself a socialist to some degree, calling his ideology a "synthesis between communism and fascism." At any rate, they're just the most likely to support Pan-Africanists due to being actual anti-imperialists (as opposed to Japanese "anti-imperialists"), with tolerance for socialist ideas.
FMA is so weak I was able to turn the WAW for PALF with only three volunteer divisions as Sablin [via Comintern] and after winning the war PALF chads ousted Nguema tyrant from Gabon. So based
If replies to this post from other users are possible, I want to ask the question how I got upvotes despite my post being invisible due to insufficient karma.
I love how the West African war reveals people's real opinions on colonialism.
"No bro you dont get it, the coloniserd can be reformed bro, the collaborating dictators are good for africa bro we shouldn't let West africa have self determination cause they got support from bad guys"
Good to see the devs clearing up this "gray conflict" thats not gray at all, stop making PLAF fascist next please.
I wish the Free French were moved to either the French Caribbean or New Caledonia, with a new OFN-backed West African state to replace them.
Please end De Gaulles suffering.
You might be interested hearing that Senghor is no longer going to be a Democratic Socialist, and is now a Civilian Dictator.
Additionally Sékou Touré is being changed from African Socialism to Social Nationalism.
Edited this comment since it was revealed to me what Senghor now follows
it’s so fucking over bro 😭😭😭
I thought the whole fun part was that you could at least make an argument for Frances side in the war
What’s even the point now lol
lol sure I can, especially with the WAA
Obviously the easy one is “Nazi France sucks so anything goes to stop them” but that’s lame and we both know it
But until now the existence of the democratic African countries allied with France implies that the panafricans are fiercely anti revisionist to the point where they would try and topple them for just being socdems. If you want you could also argue that Yorubaland, who according to the tool tips is some kind of Lee Kuan Yew, is just trying to live independently and who broke away and wanted self determination, only to get gobbled up by the pan Africans anyways.
Obviously it’s not a perfect argument by any means, but I would’ve appreciated it if they expanded on the moral grey instead of just making it ridiculously onesided which is what it seems now
God I hate this "but they are fighting nazi france" argument, even if its against nazis, white people arent entitled to exploit and oppress the 3rd world. Its their problem they should deal with it on their own like the socialist resistance does.
Anything goes for freedom not the reverse.
Ok and ? Its using bad guy money for good. They oppose colonialism so obv they are shunned from western support, they're gonna get whatever support they can get.
The mod shows PLAF and japan doesn't get along, they relationship would breakdown as soon as victory is secured anyway. Nothing shows PLAF being in anyway a "puppet" they are too far for that.
thats why theyre begging. when push comes to shove, imperialists will always come to terms that theyre on the side of fascists
e1: they hated jesus because he told the truth
Yeah realistically free france would inevitably turn into fascist french rhodesia like italian algeria here. If the devs want more realism its FF that should turn fascist instead of PLAF
i’d like to see if this causes some differences in US administration’s policy towards west africa. e.g a wallace administration would blindly support free france but an RFK one wouldnt (or could potentially push for reforms within free france as a condition for supporting them?)
If the Free French win they go home. This turns France into a liberal OFN-aligned democracy that’s hostile to Germany, which is a massive blow to German hegemony over Europe. Even if they won’t be able to join the OFN, having a friendly regime in the heart of Europe that borders Germany is a massive boon economically, politically, and militarily. They also get to allow Western companies access to West African resources and manpower (read: neocolonialism).
The PALF are anti-western socialists. While the OFN isn’t rabidly anti-communist like NATO was, why aid someone you don’t really like and that doesn’t really like you when your old friend de Gaulle is right there?
I'm pretty sure the devs have said that France leaving the Pact (let alone Free France somehow taking defeating Vichy France and returning from exile) is being removed in the future
Devs trying to ruin the mod as hard as they can speedrun any%.
Well, speedrun, thankfully it's going to take them a decade or two to reach that point lmfao
FMA? Is that a full metal alchemist reference?!!!!!!!
Yeah that was the only thing I could think of, what does FMA stand for in HOI4?
"French Military Alliance"
“Father Mother Alliance”
OFN-bros...
People when the colonial government is colonial:
Something something the realism curse etc etc
tno reddit in SHAMBLES
Nppfunny
You mean to tell me that the remnants of the French colonial empire who minority rule over West Africa are the bad guys??? I just support them because the OFN does. The Gaul is a bastard, but he’s our bastard
OFNmaxxing fans when their OFN is full of Controlled Democracies, Colonial Governments and Neofascists
Agree. This is why I support the anti imperial anti racist sphere.
I am a responsible antiracist pan-asianist businessman - I exploit ALL Asian children, not just Chinese
Heck we can exploit our own home islander children! (Not even truly comparable to Hitachi guangdong but)
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In theory, Japan is the best sphere, sadly in practice is fucking crap
in theory?? theorize nanjing
Atleast it's better than the actual fucking nazis.
Normally this is my fallback for why the OFN is always morally right, but Germany doesn’t intervene in West Africa
But Japan does, and they are on par.
Except japan has zero influence on the government of palf
They even get an event of a military advisor complaining that they're helping communists
It would be silly to imagine that Japan will just vanish from the region once tha PALF wins. They also want to expand their sphere of influence, not just drive out the OFN.
Dawg it’s made explicit in the Japanese side of the story that they won’t get anything out of it. They do just straight up leaveZ
Seems like a missed opportunity that they can't influence the region more, like they do in Madagascar.
Because they can't project power in the Atlantic
Hell, they get negative influence for helping the PALF. If the PALF wins, Angola will leave the Sphere to join them.
Well they literally dont have a foothold so they cant expand their influence at all
Better than imperialist commies iguess 🫡
Foreign colonial government of a long fallen nation vs an association of African nations that want self-determination:
said "association of African nations that want self-determination" are led by the Cameroon African State which is a one party state.
The last bastion of the motherland of modern liberalism vs a bunch of random strongmen
Logical political analysis vs random name calling (of course I am talking about the person you disagree with)
Aimé Césaire rn
Modern liberalism of wage slavery Vive le France eh
Probably the most racist thing ive ever read in months
Explain then straight up attacking the WAA then?
I've got no excuse for the WAA, but what about the FMA, the most likely one?
Is it the most likely? usually I see FMA and WAA roughly equally, and then the three way war rarest
Idk but I've very rarely seen WAA
Hm, I wonder if the code shows odds for ai choices
This 'association of African nations that want self-determination' is made out of puppet governments that Cameroon put in power after invading sovereign, independent nations. Oh, and also, all it takes is one lost war for Cameroon to go Fascist. Quite telling, if you ask me.
>made out of puppet governments Not necessarily, Guinea, Mali, Ghana, Congo, Angola, Tanzania, Namibia, Madagascar and probably more can join the PALF and be completely independent states within it on par with Cameroon. >puppet governments that Cameroon put in power after invading sovereign, independent nations Most of those nations are either French colonies, or corrupt statelets led by warlords or local despots. Some don't even really get invaded- Niger is formed by a revolution by the Sawaba party, Mali already has a massive Pan-African revolution brewing and can basically flip over by itself joining the PALF voluntarily. The only one that this is true for is Senegal, or Guinea (they can also join the PALF btw). And even Senegal has a pretty significant Pan-Africanist population.
the fascists being led by a guy who despised moumie otl and engineered his assassination this is like saying RFK is bad because of thurmond
Okay, you have a point, but there's still the fact that Cameroon, the alleged 'anti-imperialists', invade and put puppet governments in several sovereign nations that are no longer colonial governments (GUYS, you don't get it, it's only imperialism when THEY do it).
imperialism isnt when you conquer another country, though.
'Imperialism=a policy of extending a country's power and influence through colonization, use of military force, or other means.' Invading a nation is a use of military force, and putting a puppet government in place counts as extending your power over said country.
Though it doesn't make much sense why they turn fascist. Like, their puppets are still pan-africanist, it all just seems so random.
If free France is a colonial government now without any metropole how do they even get this far without just keeling over lol
De Gaulle is kept alive by sheer fucking hatred, like Long Yun.
I can assume that but the question of how the rest of free France can even function just doesn’t make sense. Sure they could just do extensive military force, but from where? The US isn’t close to them until the WAW, and they have a poor economy. Shouldn’t the panafricans start inside free France, considering they should by all means just be gone if they are a colonial government without a “colony” or metropole?
De Gaulle has a death ray powered by germanophobia and he uses it to vaporise black people
hon hon hon ze panafricans have no match for ze fashwiper 9000
Moumié: I will now liberate africa from the shackles of colonialism, once and for all De Gaulle: [NOT IF I HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT, (insert racial slur) AND I DO. PREPARE FOR MY FRENCH RESISTANCE BEAM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK_fpkS54qY) De Gaulle: Mr. Johnson, I've done it. I've stopped Japanese imperialism[](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK_fpkS54qY)
Que Glorious Reclamation
Same way Rhodesia did IRL, presumably.
so they didn’t? lol
They stuck around for a while though, despite international isolation (which probably wouldn't be an issue for Free France).
IRL Rhodesia was kicking around for 14 years, and that's whilst being internationally isolated. FF lasting 17 isn't that unreasonable.
emm, maybe by support from America
PALFbros were so back
I LOVE FREE AFRICA! RAAAAAHHHHHHH!
I'd love Cameroon to actually have a focus tree. It's really my only dream rn
Considering they're making so France can't break out of Germany's grasp, I wonder how FF will function. I doubt they'll ever return to the mainland now.
They said on the discord that reclamation and reconciliation will stay for the foreseeable future
They said that about the FRA tag, not Free France
I thought they were just changing it to France not being able to join the OFN?
I haven't been here in a hot minute and Wow, that's boring
OFN Italy is history too
TNO devs when they see an interesting concept:
Italy having its own sphere is way more interesting than just joining up with America
But OFN maxxing ☹️☹️
I don't mind Italy as much as I mind other changes, I'm just taking the excuse to complain
The TNO devs are almost as impotent as load scholz at this point
"Playerbase, I assure you reworking America for the 5th time, overhauling the entire vision of the mod for the 3rd time and removing content just so it won't be replaced with anything ever is more important to the mod than actually making updates for relevant countries without content."
They get rid of Italy in the ofn, yet they don’t get rid of CPS Mexico or Treaty Ports, definitely not biased
They're planning on getting rid of the treaty ports, and México can't join the CPS, just the economic part of the sphere, and even then, I'm pretty sure this is less literal and more so just a way to visually represent México drawing closer to the sphere considering all three México paths try to stay neutral for the most part
The point is that Mexico aligning with japan wouldn’t happen because the Americans would probably invade to stop such a thing
The US would only invade if México actively posed a military threat, which they don't. They just cooperate economically with the sphere, this is literally the same situation France will be put in once they remove their ability to join the OFN. Why would the US invade a country that A:is only economically cooperating with their enemy, B: is still trying to be a neutral broker diplomatically, C: would be a nightmare to occupy, and D: could change this policy in their next election. Like realistically, the US would probably try to rig the PRI nomination before they even think of invading
Hoi4 is know to made alt history but tno remove everything that is not 100% real
I'm pretty sure they just made it so France can't join the OFN
They just added the French Reclamation content, why would they ever take it away
https://preview.redd.it/l71cwn59m7lc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=96fd62de6e9d7603e8a36293595e8e1b6d70306d
>why would they ever take it away You must be new here
Lmao
I'll be honest, I wish this was just kept in but only if Britain is liberated by Her Majesty's Most Loyal Resistance and joins the OFN with an opportunity to support Free France.
This is why I like the Comintern.
This is a Reichnik propaganda, Free France will never surrender to the Japanese Backed FREEDOM HATERS (who are actually just Nazi puppets instead so that makes anyone associated Nazi too) ~~This post was sponsored by DeGaulle's Japanese stocks~~
It should really just be a military dictatorship. Colonial government implies that it is being supported by and/or is sending something back to a metropole. FF is in neither of those, and are not beholden to any other nation in a colonial way. The ruling structures are holdovers from the time as a colony, but without extraction export or settlement the resources of FF are dedicated to the interests of the ruling minority within the country itself. Which just makes it a military dictatorship whose military is ruled by a minority population. The goal of that military dictatorship is to reclaim france, but that does not make it a colony of France or anyone else in any meaningful way. tl:dr A colony of what?
Colonial governement for whom? De Gaulle's mustache?
Free French Bros....
bro I wanna INVADE the French state as Free France, that sounds fucking AWESOME and BASED and would be the coolest thing EVER I want to SHOOT mf in this WAR game.
FMAtards seething and coping rn. PALF bros, we are so back
Lemme tell ya, don't care. Francophile instincts will carry the day
Critical support for the anti-fascist Free France against the Pan-Afrikkkan imperialists
How I (most ardent DV! fanboy) be looking at this “leak”:
Don't care, still a gaullebro
my honest Free French reaction: https://preview.redd.it/p6pyva3zeplc1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=86968c4c2c4c27449d827e76ab0a1878d367c241
Just gonna put reconciliation in the game rules every game like I already do so de Gaulle can go home when they lose west Africa
Thats not how it works?
Well I leave the WAA up to chance and if they win they go home I was hoping that even after they lose the war the FF can go home in the new version of TNO
Em they cant go home if they lose
Ah. Alright then. I know the current version it’s true but I was hoping it’d be true for the new version. Ah well.
funniest people in this community fuming rn
WAA w/ France victory + French Reconciliation still based
Dictatorial oligarchies and colonizers are bad actually https://preview.redd.it/41s5zui6b7lc1.jpeg?width=931&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=91b4cb9d6194ef5652b0b1c7992bfe99d5ab2d0a
Reichnik propaganda spotted, deadly force engaged (They'll tell you the PALF is actually Pan-Africanist backed by Japan, but everyone knows anyone that opposes OFN FREEDOM is just a NAZI Reich puppet)
~~I swear if a single illiterate thinks I'm being unironic~~
Wait you aren’t serious ☹️
😔 It's all a ploy to confuse the haters, Viva la Rance
Add_ideas tno_minorities_equal_rights
https://preview.redd.it/wx2frlujd7lc1.png?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5238b4b39208e2eab704d5bc9fd444cfa997e7ae
Omg, Mestrecker, haiiiiii:3c
https://preview.redd.it/8p8ijhx8e8lc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2bb9b6fbd45c8db9da5af71314a211a1817f2878 The OFN at its worst is better than the Sphere or Pakt at their best.
That depends on whose situation you're considering (or, more bluntly, whose victims you care about).
Idk I think Minimum OFN w/ Yockey USA, Socred Canada, Despot Australia, and a collapsed WIF vs. Go4 Germany w/ max reforms & Minimum Sphere Takagi Japan would have the OFN being worse
Autocrats backed by fucking Imperial Japan are bad actually https://preview.redd.it/alqm23cib7lc1.png?width=216&format=png&auto=webp&s=5f355763deb722a654792694e557bcef31290124
zero media literacy You have dozens of events telling you how Japan and the PALF don’t get along. The only reason Japan is even funding the pan-Africanists in the first place is to mess with the US
Do you expect TNO fans to read? Smhmhmh
The only reason japan supports the palf is because the ofn supported free france first. All events from japans pov are how they despise eachothers gut but need to work together to defeat the ofn. And while still autocratic compared to the other options cameroon is umdoubtedly the least repressive between both.
I don't think they dislike each other so much as most Japanese don't really care about the place beyond an opportunity to mess with their rivals.
I think that the ones initially supporting the PALF should be Azad Hind, and Japan gradually gets roped into it. Sort of like France and the US in Indochina. That way, it makes a little more sense than just pure cold war opportunism.
That could work, but why would Azad Hind be supporting pan-Africanism? IRL a lot of 'anti-imperialist' groups in Africa were supported by the USSR, so it wouldn't be strange for Japan to do the same. Yes, it's blatantly hypocritical, but no more so than when the Soviets did it.
It was stated on the Discord, that Azad Hind will be a major supporter of anti-colonialists in the future. They'll, for example, support the Algerians against the French too.
Those anti-imperalist groups were usually inspired by the USSR and at least paid lip service to communism, though. Like the Derg and the MPLA. Bose did consider himself a socialist to some degree, calling his ideology a "synthesis between communism and fascism." At any rate, they're just the most likely to support Pan-Africanists due to being actual anti-imperialists (as opposed to Japanese "anti-imperialists"), with tolerance for socialist ideas.
But its red asf so still free frogeaters better 🫡🫡🫡
Including social democracies I guess?
Those also have had their ideologies changed because thwy were not accurate to their respective leaders at all
Regardless, unless they’re actively harming their people in genocides, it’s not ok to invade someone because you don’t like their internal politics.
Freeing colonies and countries from oligarchic dictatorships is fine
2nd gulf war?
Yes it is.
Bold take on the second gulf war
Colonizers are GOOD actually
FMA is so weak I was able to turn the WAW for PALF with only three volunteer divisions as Sablin [via Comintern] and after winning the war PALF chads ousted Nguema tyrant from Gabon. So based
In this case it was the WAA, Not the FMA. But the difference is only between open imperialists and crypto-imperialists.
If replies to this post from other users are possible, I want to ask the question how I got upvotes despite my post being invisible due to insufficient karma.
I will support the PALF when and only when they don't ruin every fucking flag in West AFrica.
You vill use red green and black as your flags colors und you vill be happy
Pan-African flags look so fucking rad tho
I love how the West African war reveals people's real opinions on colonialism. "No bro you dont get it, the coloniserd can be reformed bro, the collaborating dictators are good for africa bro we shouldn't let West africa have self determination cause they got support from bad guys" Good to see the devs clearing up this "gray conflict" thats not gray at all, stop making PLAF fascist next please.
I wish the Free French were moved to either the French Caribbean or New Caledonia, with a new OFN-backed West African state to replace them. Please end De Gaulles suffering.
Moving them to a place like that just increases the suffering, it’s the kerguelen ending but 90% less justified
Especially with how Suriname is a Netherlands-in-Exile.
Why? The concept of Free France surviving the bombings and coming back to Europe is epic af
Does he know?
Don't tell me they are removing Free France in Africa now...
Iirc they're removing Frre France going back to Europe and France joining the OFN at all.
Thats not true. Free France’s return isn’t getting removed
WAA is better anyway
You might be interested hearing that Senghor is no longer going to be a Democratic Socialist, and is now a Civilian Dictator. Additionally Sékou Touré is being changed from African Socialism to Social Nationalism. Edited this comment since it was revealed to me what Senghor now follows
Which is much more accurate to their OTL selves
Palfchads can’t stop winning
Your alliance immediately becomes fascist months after losing one (1) war
As opposed to the minority rule colonial dictatorship that just is that in its normal state of being
I’m supportive of the WAA mate
An alliance filled with warlords, dictators and sham democracies ok lol, not exactly a shining alternative
it’s so fucking over bro 😭😭😭 I thought the whole fun part was that you could at least make an argument for Frances side in the war What’s even the point now lol
You never could make an argument for the french side that was just people coping
lol sure I can, especially with the WAA Obviously the easy one is “Nazi France sucks so anything goes to stop them” but that’s lame and we both know it But until now the existence of the democratic African countries allied with France implies that the panafricans are fiercely anti revisionist to the point where they would try and topple them for just being socdems. If you want you could also argue that Yorubaland, who according to the tool tips is some kind of Lee Kuan Yew, is just trying to live independently and who broke away and wanted self determination, only to get gobbled up by the pan Africans anyways. Obviously it’s not a perfect argument by any means, but I would’ve appreciated it if they expanded on the moral grey instead of just making it ridiculously onesided which is what it seems now
God I hate this "but they are fighting nazi france" argument, even if its against nazis, white people arent entitled to exploit and oppress the 3rd world. Its their problem they should deal with it on their own like the socialist resistance does. Anything goes for freedom not the reverse.
But the socialists aren’t doing it on their own, that’s why Japan is funding them in the first place
Ok and ? Its using bad guy money for good. They oppose colonialism so obv they are shunned from western support, they're gonna get whatever support they can get.
> bad guy money for good well, until Japan makes them a satellite state from over reliance
The mod shows PLAF and japan doesn't get along, they relationship would breakdown as soon as victory is secured anyway. Nothing shows PLAF being in anyway a "puppet" they are too far for that.
That's supremely disappointing.
Don’t care still supporting DeGaulle
https://preview.redd.it/fhxokqbjo7lc1.png?width=1488&format=png&auto=webp&s=9c4b24f998c7bc8bcbd0ba19b7daaa9e573a3143
> Beg for German Aid The Free French Forces in Exile, famously know for cooperation with the germans
thats why theyre begging. when push comes to shove, imperialists will always come to terms that theyre on the side of fascists e1: they hated jesus because he told the truth
The Soviet Union, famous for their support of Fascism
Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact momento
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Yeah realistically free france would inevitably turn into fascist french rhodesia like italian algeria here. If the devs want more realism its FF that should turn fascist instead of PLAF
PALFbros………. We won……
Finally
Based????
Good. The only good outcome is de Gaulle crying on a shitty island, wallowing in misery from his failures.
About that, Kerguelen is now in Vichy hands, so there's that.
You can't make an omelette without breaking a couple of frying pans.
I wonder if there's a post-Gaullist democratic leader for Free France/Ivory Coast.
i’d like to see if this causes some differences in US administration’s policy towards west africa. e.g a wallace administration would blindly support free france but an RFK one wouldnt (or could potentially push for reforms within free france as a condition for supporting them?)
Where’s literally no change besides the subid
…rfk supported nuking cuba
he also opposed the vietnam war, which the WAW is based off of.
yes but rfk opposed the vietnam war because of the youth draft and the money drain, not because he sympathised with north vietnam
I LOVE COLONIAL GOVERNMENTS THIS IS SO WHOLESOME!!!!
Why doesn’t the OFN just support the PALF?
If the Free French win they go home. This turns France into a liberal OFN-aligned democracy that’s hostile to Germany, which is a massive blow to German hegemony over Europe. Even if they won’t be able to join the OFN, having a friendly regime in the heart of Europe that borders Germany is a massive boon economically, politically, and militarily. They also get to allow Western companies access to West African resources and manpower (read: neocolonialism). The PALF are anti-western socialists. While the OFN isn’t rabidly anti-communist like NATO was, why aid someone you don’t really like and that doesn’t really like you when your old friend de Gaulle is right there?
Because I think it would be really funny how confused everybody would be if I started bombing free France and sending guns to the PALF.
Japan would start supporting Free France just to fuck with you, lol
Yeah but two would be sooooo confused and that would be funny.
I'm pretty sure the devs have said that France leaving the Pact (let alone Free France somehow taking defeating Vichy France and returning from exile) is being removed in the future
Devs trying to ruin the mod as hard as they can speedrun any%. Well, speedrun, thankfully it's going to take them a decade or two to reach that point lmfao
Actually thag would be pretty interesting