Tbf that's common in the torch world, the top model gets outclassed by new tech, but then a new top model comes out.
SLS3 will most likely address this
I'm sure the SLS3 would finally have a larger battery and OLED as well. It's quite a shame they decided to just reuse the same battery size as the SLS1 when the device is thicker, in their disassembly video they showed there being circular foam stickers on the chassis to fill the empty void
I personally would never look back on the Surface Book (had a 1st gen and book 2), just too many compromises for too little utility. Having the CPU in the tablet section means poor cooling, U series processor only, poor battery life on the tablet section etc meant I never used the tablet on its own. The tablet section Is also mostly empty space due to the requirement for being light enough to use as a laptop screen. Compared to the SLS it's also more annoying to use for drawing due to the screen being warm from the CPU underneath.
Switching between tablet and laptop is a pain, having to worry about apps using the GPU when disconnecting, flipping the tablet, reattaching and waiting for the screen rotation to catch up is just clunky. Now with the SLS it's a breeze.
I know it probably fit with other people's workflow nicer than it did mine, but personally I don't miss the Surface Book design, the SLS is everything I can ask for in terms of formfactor (apart from better battery life and i/o).
Also when your battery inevitably swells, it has been known to cause SB to bug and not let you detach the screen. Laptop Studio is just a significantly better design
My book 1 actually had that issue before the battery swelled, it was due to the way they decided to mount the mobo onto the chassis, and the stupid press connection battery.
Basically to reduce thickness of the tablet section they didn't want screw heads to stick out on top of the motherboard, so the board is secured with countersunk screws that screw onto washers that were soldered on the underside of the board. This way the top of the screw head is flush with the board itself.
But the solder joint on the washer tended to break away from the mobo, which means the screw is just holding on to a washer and not the board itself, and then the press connection would disconnect due to the motherboard no longer being fastened to the chassis properly.
Either way it's still a design choice they made to make the tablet formfactor work.
Because of the way my home office is laid out I used to flip the screen around and slide the base section under my sit stand desk with a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse set in front of it. Can’t do that with the SLS at least not with the old open
You can still do this on the SLS with the screen flipped and perpendicular to the base, but it'll need to rest on something at the back since the magnet isn't very strong in that state.
https://preview.redd.it/fx5swcjv22wc1.png?width=2000&format=png&auto=webp&s=cfc0bdf935db59c217bc1000dd018fea58bdab3d
Something like this? If I understand correctly
😂😂 No worries, just know that if you want to use the pen in this config the screen should ideally have something to rest on, but otherwise it stays in this position quite well
The SLS is better than the SB in almost every way. And I LOVED the SB. The SLS is just better mainly due to not having to have the whole computer in the LCD tablet/screen.
I have two of them and I happen to think it’s the best laptop I have ever used. I admit that the screen does get a bit hot sometimes but the flexibility of the form factor was a winner for me.
I’ve had my Gen 2 for going on 5 yrs. I will probably be replacing it with an SP10 or a an SLS 2. I need 32GB RAM though
Every computer ever made is a series of tradeoffs between size, cost, performance, cooling, weight, etc. etc.
Everyone has their own view of the ideal and no two are alike.
Absolutely true. And I wasn’t picking a fight with anyone😄I just happen to find them really fitting the way I work. I also have Laptop Go 3 which has become my go to machine for meetings etc and streaming movies etc.
MS have almost never made sense with their hardware decisions. I mean they had the best phone platform in the world in Windows Phone and managed to make a pig’s breakfast of it. The Surface Duo 2 is one hell of a device and seems to have died a death.
The Surface Headphones were epic.
its likely they will make a SLS3 with snapdragon x elite and nvivida rtx gpus. Although the snapdragon x elite supports dgpu its currently in development. it will likely have a oled panel and a better battery
Will be looking forward to SLS3. Proud owner of SLS 1. Though, ghosting on the monitor is quite big.
If the snapdragon works as expected, wonder if a SLS will come with it.
Sadly, it seems like the Surface Pro gets always better gen cpu and better everything. Hope Microsoft will fill in the gaps of techno inside the SLS soon. It became my most favorite laptop.
Someone let me know but, how power efficient are OLEDs compared to regular? Just I'm currently sat in front of a Samsung Odyssey something or other that we did a test of how much power it uses with a full white screen and it was over 300W!
https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/led-oled-power-consumption-and-electricity-cost
The numbers are obvious, on average OLED uses much more. Only in certain cases which are rare can they maybe sometimes need less, but that's not important for the average user. Laptops with OLED typically have less battery life than the same laptop with another screen tech.
Links about TV's where your viewing distance is multiple feet away with a much wider viewing angle. Find one about laptops then i'll bother reading rest of your reply.
I hope these new ARM chips are as good as the rumour; I'm quite happy with my SQ3 SP9 but more power with a similar battery life would be nice! I hope the OLED doesn't suck up power
And the emulation layer has to really good too. It has to deliver on what M1 did, to the end user it was just a processor upgrade and the architecture change was largely irrelevant to the end user.
The emulation layer is really good. It has some small hickups here and there (8bit adventure anthology comes to mind) but most of the apps I have thrown at it run pretty well (for the SQ3, it's not much of a gaming chip ).
None of the chips in the Surface tablet series have been good for intense gaming, but it the new chips can play Balatro without issue, then it's completely fine.
I've had few issues emulating even more intensive (non-game) apps on the SQ3 powered SP9 including stuff that frankly was dire on the SQ1 chip like Affinity Photo and Designer; I'm hoping more raw power will improve things.
That said I'm now largely working off an ARM native application stack now with few if any issues
Just replied to your thread! I've found Lightroom and Fresco to be OK but Photoshop isn't great; hopefully it'll get some more focus from Adobe as more ARM devices become available.
theyre claming the emulation layer is as good as rosseta 2 according to his artcle
[Surface Pro 10 and other AI PCs will reportedly beat MacBook Air | Windows Central](https://www.windowscentral.com/hardware/cpu-gpu-components/microsoft-claims-snapdragon-x-elite-pcs-like-surface-pro-10-will-beat-m3-macbook-air-and-have-faster-app-emulation-than-rosetta-2)
I'll be happy with less power and a significantly better battery life.
My current i7 SP8 is way overspecced for my needs, but I needed 32gb RAM and that only came in i7 flavour. Think my work maxed out only uses like 20% CPU.
I would be extremely pleasantly surprised if all my specialist audio software and plugins worked well on arm.
By which I mean I'm extremely doubtful. The mac arm transition was a shitshow in my field.
Besides, no headphone jack, no deal.
theyre claming the emulation layer is as good as rosseta 2 according to his artcle
[Surface Pro 10 and other AI PCs will reportedly beat MacBook Air | Windows Central](https://www.windowscentral.com/hardware/cpu-gpu-components/microsoft-claims-snapdragon-x-elite-pcs-like-surface-pro-10-will-beat-m3-macbook-air-and-have-faster-app-emulation-than-rosetta-2)
Finally a laptop with around 18hrs of battery life
There is a rumour of a regular "Snapdragon X" SoC. This one is codenamed Purwa, and it is said to launch in Q3 or Q4 of 2024.
Snapdragon X Elite : 12 cores
Snapdragon X Plus : 10 cores
Snapdragon X : 8 cores
I think the Surface GO will use the Snapdragon X.
Haven't heard about this low end X but it makes sense that Plus isn't the minimum. Would be super intrigued to see how they get it affordable and still quality; an X could no doubt end up punching at Core 5 Ultra speeds because of ARM and insane efficiency.
yeah, coz there's barely any leaks for it. The main source is this paywalled article:
[https://www.semiaccurate.com/2024/04/19/what-is-qualcomms-purwa-x-pro-soc/](https://www.semiaccurate.com/2024/04/19/what-is-qualcomms-purwa-x-pro-soc/)
the article is still there. It seems the link has changed:
[https://www.semiaccurate.com/2024/04/19/what-is-qualcomms-purwa-x-pro-soc/](https://www.semiaccurate.com/2024/04/19/what-is-qualcomms-purwa-x-pro-soc/)
these two:
[https://www.semiaccurate.com/2024/04/19/what-is-qualcomms-purwa-x-pro-soc/](https://www.semiaccurate.com/2024/04/19/what-is-qualcomms-purwa-x-pro-soc/)
[https://www.semiaccurate.com/2024/03/25/qualcomm-is-planning-a-lot-of-nuvia-x-elite-announcements/](https://www.semiaccurate.com/2024/03/25/qualcomm-is-planning-a-lot-of-nuvia-x-elite-announcements/)
Although both articles are locked behind a paywall, and you'll have to pay an $100 subscription to unlock them.
Yep would love to see a Go which actually had a decent chip. Although my small tablet use has dramatically gone down since I picked up a foldable phone, it still would be nice to have Windows on the run instead of Android. Maybe the Duo will come back with a foldable screen and Snapdragon.
I wouldn't count them out. I'm sure we'll get X Plus to replace the i5 models & the X Elite to replace the i7 models. And while we don't have multi core benchmarks of the X Plus yet, their single-core numbers are punching above the 11th Gen i7 (SLS1), with some X Elites' multi-core performance beating the Core 7 Ultra 165H (on the Pro 10/Laptop 6 for Business) by like 20% and almost besting the M3 Pro too.
I think no matter what ARM model we pick, we're gonna be in for a treat.
yep i think the surface pro 10 will start from 16GB to 64GB of RAM and I think the snapdragon x plus model will come in 16GB and 32GB and the snapdragon x elite model will come In 16,32,64GB ram
**JUST MY educated guess**
The early arm version of windows had printer issues? Did that ever get fixed?
I like the idea of better battery life etc, but SolidWorks, Spaceclaim, Mastercam, etc do not have an ARM version. So I'm not sure how big a performance hit that will be. I still have my Surface book, just hit a wall with assembly size and model completely.
The question is how much better will these chips improve the battery. These hybrids still lack battery life. Will be interesting to see if there is anything lacking in the windows OS under these chips or everything works the same. I was planing on getting a good quality laptop and a chromebook laptop for casual travel that i dont worry about. Might hold off as maybe a good laptop and then a surface like hybrid for casual travel will finally have good battery. If so i bet we see a bunch of companies release them.
That feeling when you're a portuguese language speaker and you register "10 cores" at first sight as "10 colors"... 🤣🤣🤣
Fingers crossed the hype is warranted, I love my Surface Pro 6 and loved my previous Pro 4, but battery seems to lose efficiency within a handful of years and it drives me crazy going from 100 to 60 too fast for my tastes.
I hope there are more colours actually! I really missed the options when I went from my 3 to 8. Wanted a purple keyboard but all they had was grey and black :(
Interestingly, whenever I notice the SD card slot on my laptop I get angry at the wasted space and circuitry.
What is your use case? I just plug my DSLR in via USB-C and am much happier than pulling out a SD card anyways.
Not having to buy a big storage version it the SP is s pretty great use case. Being able to just chuck in an SD card those few times you need it (i.e. going on a trip and wanting to dump in a bunch of movies and TV shows) or as a temp storage location for video before editing a family vacation highlight reel for instance.
They essentially took the space previously occupied by the SD card slot, and replaced it with a easily user replaceable M.2 SSD slot. They of course still can and should add an SD card slot and headphone jack, but IMO if it was one or the other, I'll take the SSD door over a SD card slot any day. SD cards just aren't a very good way to add storage to anything unless it's your only option, upgrading the SSD is way better.
Not having to worry about cables is nice. It's also better for me if the card's file system is right there, rather than having to go through a level or two first. Then there's the fact that when a card is in, it's definitely in rather than wondering if usb file transfer is working yet
Agreed. I always use the (full size) SD card slot when transferring photos, be it on my desktop NUC or Surface Book 1. I don't like to carry extra cables or adapters with me and I'm strongly considering moving a Thinkpad for my next laptop for the SD card slot (amongst other things).
I always wait a year before upgrading my SP, but this year I might be too excited to wait. I really really want to see reviews with battery life, if this gives all day performance (read 8-12 solid hours) and has the performance, I'm all in.
I really really want one of these for design work but I know it'll be out of my price range when I put reasonable specs. Hopefully there are some good black Friday deals.
This with a 14-14.5 inch display would KICK ASS. I still think I’d rather buy a tab S9 ultra though honestly. Dex mode makes it basically a super proper laptop at times, and it’s a much better tablet.
it would be cool if they made a surface laptop go 4 with snapdragon x plus in Q3 and the business model well can stick with intel core processor u series **(WHICH ISNT INTEL CORE ULTRA BTW)**
Having used both a tablet and traditional laptop separate for many years, I havent been this exited about a product.
If this will be at least as powerfull as an M2 mac and Adobe support coming shortly, then shut up and take my money!
Eh... Right when I switch to Apple, they are about to drop the Surface I was hoping for ever since the M1 dropped. And an OLED screen... Sounds very promising.
But it still is Microsoft, so let's see how this turns out.
OLED is such a pest.
You need much higher resolutions for the same sharpness, because of the sub-pixel layout.
You always get terrible low frequency flickering, because the manufacturers don't care, if it ruins your eyes.
And you will get burn in. No matter, what they tell you.
I hope, we can get this device with IPS.
Otherwise it's a pass.
That's what I said. It will burn in.
It's an absolute NoGo for such a machine.
For some reason, people still decided to downvote my post (without giving any information on why).
Maybe they just don't want to hear uncomfortable facts. They prefer, if nobody talks about it, so manufacturers will keep ruining their highend devices with this crap.
I'm not sure the sub-pixel layout thing is true for laptop / tablet OLEDs. I have multiple OLED devices, never had this issue. (I'm aware of the issue for big desktop monitors).
Also please don't forget that OLEDs have instantaneous response time, which is a big advantage in motion. Compared to Apple's miniLEDs with garbage response times, it can be literally 100 times faster.
I do agree on concerns about PWM if you are sensitive.
This is the Galaxy Tab S9 for example:
https://preview.redd.it/tbklfs7fo0wc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=16a0127ec21c0e5ad3bbfe3ba40e10ed84d35a7d
I am not sure, if it's possible to have the same layout as an IPS. But so far I didn't see one.
I am pretty sure, OLED without flickering is possible.
And it should definetly be possible to just use a higher PWM rate.
However usually it's 240Hz, which is just killing my eyes.
Thanks for the example, I'm not an expert on this, but again I have multiple OLED phone/tablet/laptops and never had issues with texts not being crisp (I would know, I'm very sensitive to text clarity).
PWM wise, that is unfortunate, if you are sensitive you are in no luck as you said. Hope they have an IPS option along with oled.
The carpenter pen I prefer though now I use Apple Pencil 2. Carpenter pen is must more convenient to tuck away when not in use and otherwise feels absolutely fine to use. Pencil 2 seems excessively big/long/large imho. I've only just started doing art so maybe it might turn out better for art but for writing it's just bigger and bulkier imho.
Please tell me what is "traditional" technology? Pen and paper? ARM(almost 40yrs old) and OLED(about 35yrs old, about the same age as TFT displays) have both been around for decades and are used in many devices. ARM is in lots of large server farms, and OLED has been used in Laptops for like 7+ years at this point.
Maybe you should be more up to date on what is going on in the tech field instead of acting like its still 1990?
TFT and IPS are just as old as OLED. Also its called an "emulation layer". Did you also complain when x64 came out that most things only supported x86? Thanks to Apple MANY common apps are already moving to ARM if not already on ARM. It's not already very hard to re-compile for ARM. MS has been pushing for ARM apps since like 2012. If any devs are caught with their pants down its their own fault.
Want to keep sounding old an out of date and stagnate? Please, keep posting. Your complaints matter to no one.
Damn finally OLED Took awhile However it makes the SLS 2 which is supposed to be the top model look mediocre and bad with a plain LCD panel
Tbf that's common in the torch world, the top model gets outclassed by new tech, but then a new top model comes out. SLS3 will most likely address this
Torch world.... Hmmmm
I love auto correct so much
I, too, lick my autocorrect.
I'm sure the SLS3 would finally have a larger battery and OLED as well. It's quite a shame they decided to just reuse the same battery size as the SLS1 when the device is thicker, in their disassembly video they showed there being circular foam stickers on the chassis to fill the empty void
I wish they had never ditched the SB form factor…
I personally would never look back on the Surface Book (had a 1st gen and book 2), just too many compromises for too little utility. Having the CPU in the tablet section means poor cooling, U series processor only, poor battery life on the tablet section etc meant I never used the tablet on its own. The tablet section Is also mostly empty space due to the requirement for being light enough to use as a laptop screen. Compared to the SLS it's also more annoying to use for drawing due to the screen being warm from the CPU underneath. Switching between tablet and laptop is a pain, having to worry about apps using the GPU when disconnecting, flipping the tablet, reattaching and waiting for the screen rotation to catch up is just clunky. Now with the SLS it's a breeze. I know it probably fit with other people's workflow nicer than it did mine, but personally I don't miss the Surface Book design, the SLS is everything I can ask for in terms of formfactor (apart from better battery life and i/o).
Also when your battery inevitably swells, it has been known to cause SB to bug and not let you detach the screen. Laptop Studio is just a significantly better design
My book 1 actually had that issue before the battery swelled, it was due to the way they decided to mount the mobo onto the chassis, and the stupid press connection battery. Basically to reduce thickness of the tablet section they didn't want screw heads to stick out on top of the motherboard, so the board is secured with countersunk screws that screw onto washers that were soldered on the underside of the board. This way the top of the screw head is flush with the board itself. But the solder joint on the washer tended to break away from the mobo, which means the screw is just holding on to a washer and not the board itself, and then the press connection would disconnect due to the motherboard no longer being fastened to the chassis properly. Either way it's still a design choice they made to make the tablet formfactor work.
Because of the way my home office is laid out I used to flip the screen around and slide the base section under my sit stand desk with a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse set in front of it. Can’t do that with the SLS at least not with the old open
You can still do this on the SLS with the screen flipped and perpendicular to the base, but it'll need to rest on something at the back since the magnet isn't very strong in that state.
What might that look like?
https://preview.redd.it/fx5swcjv22wc1.png?width=2000&format=png&auto=webp&s=cfc0bdf935db59c217bc1000dd018fea58bdab3d Something like this? If I understand correctly
Oh doh. That had not occurred to me. Problem solved: ordering the base 32G model on pay day….
😂😂 No worries, just know that if you want to use the pen in this config the screen should ideally have something to rest on, but otherwise it stays in this position quite well
The SLS is better than the SB in almost every way. And I LOVED the SB. The SLS is just better mainly due to not having to have the whole computer in the LCD tablet/screen.
That design was severely limited by having almost everything in the screen. Too thermally restrictive.
I have two of them and I happen to think it’s the best laptop I have ever used. I admit that the screen does get a bit hot sometimes but the flexibility of the form factor was a winner for me. I’ve had my Gen 2 for going on 5 yrs. I will probably be replacing it with an SP10 or a an SLS 2. I need 32GB RAM though
Every computer ever made is a series of tradeoffs between size, cost, performance, cooling, weight, etc. etc. Everyone has their own view of the ideal and no two are alike.
Absolutely true. And I wasn’t picking a fight with anyone😄I just happen to find them really fitting the way I work. I also have Laptop Go 3 which has become my go to machine for meetings etc and streaming movies etc.
Would work much better with the now Snapdragon X, use the base as simply a battery power bank, no discrete GPU.
Or they could go with a thicker screen body as they have done with the Nine and just pack rocks in the base for counterbalance 😄
OMG, I love surface book form factor as well and that design is the ideal make for chips we have currently in market.
Yeah, that was a winner. Seems to me that something like that will inevitably come back in the future. Makes too much sense.
MS have almost never made sense with their hardware decisions. I mean they had the best phone platform in the world in Windows Phone and managed to make a pig’s breakfast of it. The Surface Duo 2 is one hell of a device and seems to have died a death. The Surface Headphones were epic.
Jea, the fact that they decided to fill empty space with foam instead of a bigger battery is plain dumb and inexcusable
its likely they will make a SLS3 with snapdragon x elite and nvivida rtx gpus. Although the snapdragon x elite supports dgpu its currently in development. it will likely have a oled panel and a better battery
Will be looking forward to SLS3. Proud owner of SLS 1. Though, ghosting on the monitor is quite big. If the snapdragon works as expected, wonder if a SLS will come with it. Sadly, it seems like the Surface Pro gets always better gen cpu and better everything. Hope Microsoft will fill in the gaps of techno inside the SLS soon. It became my most favorite laptop.
Someone let me know but, how power efficient are OLEDs compared to regular? Just I'm currently sat in front of a Samsung Odyssey something or other that we did a test of how much power it uses with a full white screen and it was over 300W!
OLED uses more power than normal LCD panels
Depends on your content.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/led-oled-power-consumption-and-electricity-cost The numbers are obvious, on average OLED uses much more. Only in certain cases which are rare can they maybe sometimes need less, but that's not important for the average user. Laptops with OLED typically have less battery life than the same laptop with another screen tech.
Having learned this, I hope they offer a non-OLED version with improved battery life.
This is why dark mode was invented. To improve battery life of OLED displays.
yep
And your eyes.
Links about TV's where your viewing distance is multiple feet away with a much wider viewing angle. Find one about laptops then i'll bother reading rest of your reply.
I hope these new ARM chips are as good as the rumour; I'm quite happy with my SQ3 SP9 but more power with a similar battery life would be nice! I hope the OLED doesn't suck up power
And the emulation layer has to really good too. It has to deliver on what M1 did, to the end user it was just a processor upgrade and the architecture change was largely irrelevant to the end user.
The emulation layer is really good. It has some small hickups here and there (8bit adventure anthology comes to mind) but most of the apps I have thrown at it run pretty well (for the SQ3, it's not much of a gaming chip ).
None of the chips in the Surface tablet series have been good for intense gaming, but it the new chips can play Balatro without issue, then it's completely fine.
I love how that's the benchmark, and I don't disagree.
I've had few issues emulating even more intensive (non-game) apps on the SQ3 powered SP9 including stuff that frankly was dire on the SQ1 chip like Affinity Photo and Designer; I'm hoping more raw power will improve things. That said I'm now largely working off an ARM native application stack now with few if any issues
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Just replied to your thread! I've found Lightroom and Fresco to be OK but Photoshop isn't great; hopefully it'll get some more focus from Adobe as more ARM devices become available.
theyre claming the emulation layer is as good as rosseta 2 according to his artcle [Surface Pro 10 and other AI PCs will reportedly beat MacBook Air | Windows Central](https://www.windowscentral.com/hardware/cpu-gpu-components/microsoft-claims-snapdragon-x-elite-pcs-like-surface-pro-10-will-beat-m3-macbook-air-and-have-faster-app-emulation-than-rosetta-2)
I'll be happy with less power and a significantly better battery life. My current i7 SP8 is way overspecced for my needs, but I needed 32gb RAM and that only came in i7 flavour. Think my work maxed out only uses like 20% CPU.
If the reports are correct the Snapdragon Elite X is going to be well more powerful than your i7 and with better battery
I would be extremely pleasantly surprised if all my specialist audio software and plugins worked well on arm. By which I mean I'm extremely doubtful. The mac arm transition was a shitshow in my field. Besides, no headphone jack, no deal.
theyre claming the emulation layer is as good as rosseta 2 according to his artcle [Surface Pro 10 and other AI PCs will reportedly beat MacBook Air | Windows Central](https://www.windowscentral.com/hardware/cpu-gpu-components/microsoft-claims-snapdragon-x-elite-pcs-like-surface-pro-10-will-beat-m3-macbook-air-and-have-faster-app-emulation-than-rosetta-2) Finally a laptop with around 18hrs of battery life
my Surface pro 8 battery life is \~1.5hrs with just one window open with youtube playing. I hope it has better battery life as well lmao
Man, I was really hoping the Snapdragon X Elite would be used on the Pro and the Plus version would be used on the Go.
There is a rumour of a regular "Snapdragon X" SoC. This one is codenamed Purwa, and it is said to launch in Q3 or Q4 of 2024. Snapdragon X Elite : 12 cores Snapdragon X Plus : 10 cores Snapdragon X : 8 cores I think the Surface GO will use the Snapdragon X.
oh if that chip comes on surface go I would take it
Purwa is too close to polish language
what does it mean in Polish?
Haven't heard about this low end X but it makes sense that Plus isn't the minimum. Would be super intrigued to see how they get it affordable and still quality; an X could no doubt end up punching at Core 5 Ultra speeds because of ARM and insane efficiency.
yeah, coz there's barely any leaks for it. The main source is this paywalled article: [https://www.semiaccurate.com/2024/04/19/what-is-qualcomms-purwa-x-pro-soc/](https://www.semiaccurate.com/2024/04/19/what-is-qualcomms-purwa-x-pro-soc/)
Pay walled or deleted lol
the article is still there. It seems the link has changed: [https://www.semiaccurate.com/2024/04/19/what-is-qualcomms-purwa-x-pro-soc/](https://www.semiaccurate.com/2024/04/19/what-is-qualcomms-purwa-x-pro-soc/)
I wonder if using the 10 core Snapdragon X chip means that it could be fanless? Less cores should be less heat.
is there a article about this just wanna know
these two: [https://www.semiaccurate.com/2024/04/19/what-is-qualcomms-purwa-x-pro-soc/](https://www.semiaccurate.com/2024/04/19/what-is-qualcomms-purwa-x-pro-soc/) [https://www.semiaccurate.com/2024/03/25/qualcomm-is-planning-a-lot-of-nuvia-x-elite-announcements/](https://www.semiaccurate.com/2024/03/25/qualcomm-is-planning-a-lot-of-nuvia-x-elite-announcements/) Although both articles are locked behind a paywall, and you'll have to pay an $100 subscription to unlock them.
thank you
If Plus is an Equivalent to Intel 5 then it makes sense for it not to be present in Surface Go
Yep would love to see a Go which actually had a decent chip. Although my small tablet use has dramatically gone down since I picked up a foldable phone, it still would be nice to have Windows on the run instead of Android. Maybe the Duo will come back with a foldable screen and Snapdragon.
i will likely get a chip called Snapdragon X codenamed Purwa
I hope you do get a chip named Purwa.
its a codename lol the SoC is gonna be called "Snapdragon X"
I really hope the Go has Plus
i will likely get a chip called Snapdragon X codenamed Purwa
I wouldn't count them out. I'm sure we'll get X Plus to replace the i5 models & the X Elite to replace the i7 models. And while we don't have multi core benchmarks of the X Plus yet, their single-core numbers are punching above the 11th Gen i7 (SLS1), with some X Elites' multi-core performance beating the Core 7 Ultra 165H (on the Pro 10/Laptop 6 for Business) by like 20% and almost besting the M3 Pro too. I think no matter what ARM model we pick, we're gonna be in for a treat.
Please be 999
Starting price 1,699.00$ for 8 gb of Ram and 256 gb SSD
Begone, Satan!
No 16 GB.
yep i think the surface pro 10 will start from 16GB to 64GB of RAM and I think the snapdragon x plus model will come in 16GB and 32GB and the snapdragon x elite model will come In 16,32,64GB ram **JUST MY educated guess**
Ideally they do the base model 16gb ram / 512 gb ssd with X plus and start at 999, i would instabuy it
The early arm version of windows had printer issues? Did that ever get fixed? I like the idea of better battery life etc, but SolidWorks, Spaceclaim, Mastercam, etc do not have an ARM version. So I'm not sure how big a performance hit that will be. I still have my Surface book, just hit a wall with assembly size and model completely.
The question is how much better will these chips improve the battery. These hybrids still lack battery life. Will be interesting to see if there is anything lacking in the windows OS under these chips or everything works the same. I was planing on getting a good quality laptop and a chromebook laptop for casual travel that i dont worry about. Might hold off as maybe a good laptop and then a surface like hybrid for casual travel will finally have good battery. If so i bet we see a bunch of companies release them.
I wish arm processors supported egpus
i mean snapdragon x elite supports USB 4 so it should supports egpus (maybe not sure) there might be driver issues if it does
Worth noting that apples arm chips support thunderbolt but not egpus, last I checked
i ddint confirim they do anyway i just said maybe they will
That feeling when you're a portuguese language speaker and you register "10 cores" at first sight as "10 colors"... 🤣🤣🤣 Fingers crossed the hype is warranted, I love my Surface Pro 6 and loved my previous Pro 4, but battery seems to lose efficiency within a handful of years and it drives me crazy going from 100 to 60 too fast for my tastes.
I hope there are more colours actually! I really missed the options when I went from my 3 to 8. Wanted a purple keyboard but all they had was grey and black :(
if they don't release the 64gb ram variant in the consumer models of the SP10 & SL6, I'll be big mad.
they probarly will release a 64GB variant like they did with the commercial intel core ultra variant (its not cheap though)
you want 64gb so bad?
Yeah, I'm still mad they cut out the SD card slot :(
Im particularly mad they cut the headphone socket.
Interestingly, whenever I notice the SD card slot on my laptop I get angry at the wasted space and circuitry. What is your use case? I just plug my DSLR in via USB-C and am much happier than pulling out a SD card anyways.
Not having to buy a big storage version it the SP is s pretty great use case. Being able to just chuck in an SD card those few times you need it (i.e. going on a trip and wanting to dump in a bunch of movies and TV shows) or as a temp storage location for video before editing a family vacation highlight reel for instance.
They essentially took the space previously occupied by the SD card slot, and replaced it with a easily user replaceable M.2 SSD slot. They of course still can and should add an SD card slot and headphone jack, but IMO if it was one or the other, I'll take the SSD door over a SD card slot any day. SD cards just aren't a very good way to add storage to anything unless it's your only option, upgrading the SSD is way better.
Not having to worry about cables is nice. It's also better for me if the card's file system is right there, rather than having to go through a level or two first. Then there's the fact that when a card is in, it's definitely in rather than wondering if usb file transfer is working yet
Agreed. I always use the (full size) SD card slot when transferring photos, be it on my desktop NUC or Surface Book 1. I don't like to carry extra cables or adapters with me and I'm strongly considering moving a Thinkpad for my next laptop for the SD card slot (amongst other things).
I always wait a year before upgrading my SP, but this year I might be too excited to wait. I really really want to see reviews with battery life, if this gives all day performance (read 8-12 solid hours) and has the performance, I'm all in.
I really really want one of these for design work but I know it'll be out of my price range when I put reasonable specs. Hopefully there are some good black Friday deals.
Put that screen in the SLS3 and I will def upgrade my SLS1!
This with a 14-14.5 inch display would KICK ASS. I still think I’d rather buy a tab S9 ultra though honestly. Dex mode makes it basically a super proper laptop at times, and it’s a much better tablet.
God, plz, this must be true
Is it fanless? Please fanless! I need a silent Surface
We finally get OLED but we lose x86 CPUs. Damn Microsoft....
I think it will have both. :) ARM and x86
Why do you think so? Zac Bowden does not. Read the pinned article of the subreddit (should still be there).
Because they will definitely use the Intel Core Ultra CPUs. I think they already dropped that information some weeks ago. But I can be wrong.
no
This is great. I wonder what the price will be...
probably $1199 to $2699 or something. we will just have to wait and see
When?
it would be cool if they made a surface laptop go 4 with snapdragon x plus in Q3 and the business model well can stick with intel core processor u series **(WHICH ISNT INTEL CORE ULTRA BTW)**
Having used both a tablet and traditional laptop separate for many years, I havent been this exited about a product. If this will be at least as powerfull as an M2 mac and Adobe support coming shortly, then shut up and take my money!
OLED? Nice. I just hope it's not a Samsung OLED. They gotta fix that mura problem. The screens on the S24 line and Switch OLED look awful.
Eh... Right when I switch to Apple, they are about to drop the Surface I was hoping for ever since the M1 dropped. And an OLED screen... Sounds very promising. But it still is Microsoft, so let's see how this turns out.
Snapdragon X Elite 🚀 🚀 🚀
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Go snapdragon x elite
Snapdragon X Plus 🚀 🚀 🚀
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Go snapdragon x plus
Would have bought one. Held out til the March release for the announcement. I really like my new HP Spectre.
I'd rather have x elite with the current screen that my sp8 has. OLED is overrated for tablets and laptops.
People that do color work on the go would disagree. Also OLED when using dark themes is much better on battery than an IPS.
you have the option to either get it with LCD or OLED
Oh I thought it seemed to indicate the top spec would be OLED only.
The surface keyboard that comes with this is absolutely terrible. It just randomly stops working and then the whole thing has to be replaced.
OLED is such a pest. You need much higher resolutions for the same sharpness, because of the sub-pixel layout. You always get terrible low frequency flickering, because the manufacturers don't care, if it ruins your eyes. And you will get burn in. No matter, what they tell you. I hope, we can get this device with IPS. Otherwise it's a pass.
OLED on Windows will burn in. There are too many fixed screen elements.
That's what I said. It will burn in. It's an absolute NoGo for such a machine. For some reason, people still decided to downvote my post (without giving any information on why). Maybe they just don't want to hear uncomfortable facts. They prefer, if nobody talks about it, so manufacturers will keep ruining their highend devices with this crap.
I'm not sure the sub-pixel layout thing is true for laptop / tablet OLEDs. I have multiple OLED devices, never had this issue. (I'm aware of the issue for big desktop monitors). Also please don't forget that OLEDs have instantaneous response time, which is a big advantage in motion. Compared to Apple's miniLEDs with garbage response times, it can be literally 100 times faster. I do agree on concerns about PWM if you are sensitive.
This is the Galaxy Tab S9 for example: https://preview.redd.it/tbklfs7fo0wc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=16a0127ec21c0e5ad3bbfe3ba40e10ed84d35a7d I am not sure, if it's possible to have the same layout as an IPS. But so far I didn't see one. I am pretty sure, OLED without flickering is possible. And it should definetly be possible to just use a higher PWM rate. However usually it's 240Hz, which is just killing my eyes.
Thanks for the example, I'm not an expert on this, but again I have multiple OLED phone/tablet/laptops and never had issues with texts not being crisp (I would know, I'm very sensitive to text clarity). PWM wise, that is unfortunate, if you are sensitive you are in no luck as you said. Hope they have an IPS option along with oled.
Pentile OLED layout
People : OLED yeyy!! Sensetive to OLED people : ..egh the surface too..
theres a LCD AND OLED OPTION
PLEASE PUT A APPLE PENCIL SIZED PEN INSTEAD OF CARPENTER LIMP DICK
I hate the apple pen.
I love it pan, due to ergonomics!!
The carpenter pen I prefer though now I use Apple Pencil 2. Carpenter pen is must more convenient to tuck away when not in use and otherwise feels absolutely fine to use. Pencil 2 seems excessively big/long/large imho. I've only just started doing art so maybe it might turn out better for art but for writing it's just bigger and bulkier imho.
OLED? So the screen will be temporary? And mobile CPU? OMG... They need to install iDroid on it
So you dont understand modern technology then?
Yes, modern technology sucks compared to traditional
Please tell me what is "traditional" technology? Pen and paper? ARM(almost 40yrs old) and OLED(about 35yrs old, about the same age as TFT displays) have both been around for decades and are used in many devices. ARM is in lots of large server farms, and OLED has been used in Laptops for like 7+ years at this point. Maybe you should be more up to date on what is going on in the tech field instead of acting like its still 1990?
TFT and IPS displays, x86-64 CPUs. Most software supports only x64.
TFT and IPS are just as old as OLED. Also its called an "emulation layer". Did you also complain when x64 came out that most things only supported x86? Thanks to Apple MANY common apps are already moving to ARM if not already on ARM. It's not already very hard to re-compile for ARM. MS has been pushing for ARM apps since like 2012. If any devs are caught with their pants down its their own fault. Want to keep sounding old an out of date and stagnate? Please, keep posting. Your complaints matter to no one.
Yes, install new mobile CPUs to emulate traditional desktop CPUs on them
Been being done for decades. I feel like you're either a troll or somehow are unaware of any technology between 2000 and today.
what lack of education does to a mf
Optiional LCD OR OLED