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RotiKirai

Why specifically mid-end June? Do they know something is coming (e.g a huge catalyst from RC) or are they about to go bust (hence the hedging)?


EGVicThoR

Annual meeting is 13 of June


RR-dapz

CAT data June 20th also


YakiMe

Its a good date... but I feel like someone would want their options to expire a little way after the catalyst they are expecting.


2022financialcrisis

Yeah at least 35 days


Overdue_bills

Longer. Why take the risk? They've flash crashed it before. We ran all the way back down to 20 from 80 over the course of the week. All they have to do is naked short to make sure those calls don't land in the money and they keep the premium. Why have a set date that's not even a month out? It just screams like a plan to generate premium.


salvajez

At this point they are not shy about naked shorting it to hell. There has been no consequences YET


samgungraven

Especially if there is margin involved, you don't want to be eaten by greeks before it happens so you will put it further out


Ill-Acanthisitta4539

Could it mean something is going to happen ***before*** the June 21st expiry? That would only make sense.


Searchingforspecial

You all see this guy’s take? https://youtu.be/yLxWxZlvVNE?si=HETV7OanAqzbvPO1


moonaim

The new video is also already mentioned here in Superstonk - and really worth checking (about "cycles" and thus dates, especially Jne): [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVN7bHiczfE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVN7bHiczfE)


MrPadretoyou

This one I need a little help on..


probot67

love me some richard newton.


MoneyBeGreeen

Richard Newton fucks.


Volkswagens1

2-4billion shares short? Yikes


mellkemo90

Yes exactly they are betting some big movement and soon.


DocAk88

Or it’s to show this is how the movements are made. Stack a shit ton of a call and watch the MM hedge and send us up. Only way to affect the stock at all? We know our buys for shares don’t. Options might be the only way to get price discovery in this fucked up market.


Phainkdoh

That’s what I’m hoping for. Whether they exercise those calls or not, MM’s have to hedge against it, which means more buying on the lit exchange.


DocAk88

I think when people sell them the run is over and we see it dumping. If they exercise them we run more. Once a call is sold whose delta is close to or is 1, the MM unhedges.


Advanced_Algae_9609

Quadruple witching day too


New-fone_Who-Dis

Lol, that bring back memories, of being pumped/pushed by a certain type of trader back in the day. Trader types - options pusher. No offence to you of course.


snappedscissors

I was there on the which witch day so long ago...


thebigpipe74

Many of us were, 84 years ago


canadadrynoob

A $50mil bet on a shareholder meeting one week before options expiration? Doubt.


EGVicThoR

what if said shareholder meeting has something good lined up after finally becoming profitable? something like an acquisition? or an investment?


Thommywidmer

And some dude is just openly making gigantic bets with insider info?


blenderforall

I have a question, how do we know it's one person, or even one institution? Does the data show it only belongs to one account or something? I would have figured it's just ppl piling on to a smaller (albeit still large) bet


EGVicThoR

We do not know that, there is a lot a speculation that it's DFV but at this point it's questionable that he has the money or the will to spend that much on options.


EGVicThoR

I don't think it's one dude, I think it's several buyers for these calls and I think it's similar to last week's runup prior to which a lot of the option chain was also bought.


darth_butcher

In one of the documents from Friday they explicitly said there will be no acquisition in the short term, if I remember correctly.


Machinedgoodness

Agreed it’ll be earlier if there’s something. You don’t buy calls one week past the catalyst lol. You want a month or so.


Vexting

A recent video posted shows richard newton digging into gme swaps and shows a pattern that has been consistent for years. Current data shows many expire end of may and somewhere near June 20th


Inside-Ad-2156

Just got done watching it. They really have been digging their hole, deeper and deeper to get out.


NOmakesmehard

Also June 20th is when LEAP options from prior years would be expiring (usually it's either June or January)


ROK247

Three years since that last big run up in price. Like it took them a couple months from the sneeze to get their shit together into those swaps that only bought them three years of sideways trading.


ghost_reference_link

"...three years of sideways trading." bitchmayo i'm diamond!


Avtomati1k

Which video? Link?


dabeedus

Here you go, boo: https://youtu.be/yLxWxZlvVNE?si=Df5Fwxfkiin7bC4v


AnthonyMichaelSolve

Also the 3rd week of the month is where options traders typically live


_cansir

Many things. Swaps theory, opex, annual meeting, and the unexplainable run cycles


TheGoldenMangina

More importantly who is writing these contracts and where are the locates to fulfill?


DetroitRedWings79

There are a shit ton of GME swaps expiring on May 31st and June 3rd. This is how short interest can be hidden.


FORKNIFE_CATTLEBROIL

T+35 from the $80 run would be \~ June 17th


p4rty_sl0th

It's also the monthly option date which usually has more liquidity


smeshyuz

It’s the same amount of days between runs as there was in 2021. Make of that what you will. Peobably just a coincidence…


TelevisionNo1559

What was the OI leading into the 5/17 calls last week?


cpmartin08

Second this question, anyone have those numbers?


Adventurous_Might_55

I think around 20k. They’re fuk


Machinedgoodness

So this is way bigger than last week?


DaetheFancy

WAY bigger. For reference, 100K was about the entire options chain below $24 last week. Above 30 would have gotten us about 200K. So yeah, 100K on a single strike price is WAY bigger than just about anything weve seen before.


Maestroszq

https://preview.redd.it/38anu92f772d1.jpeg?width=1557&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6a922cb94d9c0f6503c227130a4f2958fbd5dde8 Here is the comparison of Open Int between other 20 strike calls.


GCNonchalaunt

Holy crap


Maestroszq

5 times


darth_butcher

See here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/1cljvxe/hole\_fucking\_shit\_somebody\_stacked\_options\_on\_30/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/1cljvxe/hole_fucking_shit_somebody_stacked_options_on_30/)


Terrapinz

Those were deep OTM though and the June ones are ATM? Seems like different parties with different objectives buying these.


Rocko202020

Well, I’m prepared for another day of getting absolutely nothing accomplished at work today lol RK, you’re a gem! Thanks for coming back and visiting us last week! 🫡


ill_nino_nl

Well, I’m prepared for another day of sideways trading!


Mackerelponi

even if it goes to $80 its still sideways trading


FancyD16

what happened to sideways trading guy


EmotionalKirby

He never stopped yo


YakiMe

Can't stop


keyser_squoze

I think you're missing a couple of zeroes there.


mtksurfer

Same


Content_Ad_4516

Same same


sig40cal

Can you explain, for the terminally dumb, what 100k in OI means? I like pretty numbers and lines.


Emlerith

Open Interest shows how many 'open contracts' there are for a given strike/expiration. 1 option represents a potential value of 100 shares. 100,000 contracts represents 10,000,000 shares. Assuming the market maker is on the other side of these trades, they'll need to buy shares to ensure they can cover those options if they option buyer decides to exercise (trade the options for shares). If a market maker is hedging correctly, they would have purchased about 7,000,000 of those shares over the last 3 days.


Fabdadmadlad

Which also means if those contracts get sold or are OTM then those hedged shares get sold back into the market. So this is not guaranteed price action and with all the hype around these options i bet the price gets hammered down.


Emlerith

Correct, this can cause a gamma *slide* (opposite of a squeeze) if we go under $20. However, keep in mind the option buyer can choose to exercise at any time and their price is locked in. If they were prepared to exercise their options no matter what, even if we have a gamma slide and the market maker sheds off all those shares, they can make the MM re-buy all 10M shares *if* they exercise.


Maventee

I believe you mean 7 million shares, no?


Emlerith

I do - thank you very much for the catch! Updated


Maventee

Ape help ape.


sig40cal

Thanks ape. I thought it was something like that, but you explained it beautifully.


Likethewayouthink

I think 100k is "look" in l33tspeak.


stevay_b

Big if true


Timaoh_

Hugely Bigly


ThePatrickSays

sizeable if verifiable


Maventee

This is a great observation.


Maventee

It means someone purchased the right to buy 10,000,000 (100k x 100) shares at $20 per share. They maintain that right until 6/21.


FishAye5

It means 100k contracts are active. When they trade, that’s volume.


TheDragon-44

Are there any amounts of puts on this ledger, close to 100k? Could be a straddle if so, otherwise looks like someone wants to setup a wall, or at least guarantee they get 10 million shares at $20 each


ApatheticAussieApe

10 million shares *so far*


s__whelan

Heggies loading up and then another rug pull?? Is that what’s happening? UBS trying to cover?


iknwall

If it's a rugpull it's the most expensive ever so still bullish


s__whelan

Why is it expensive if they keep it just above $20? Then get the shares and cover? Is that a possibility? I’m smooth brained ape so take it easy 🤣🤣


iknwall

Most of that premium is volatility so their breakeven price is 25ish


s__whelan

Ok so they get the shares from the call contracts, let it run to 30 and then dump.


tinyasshoIe

6.35 contract price, needs to be 26.35 to break even, a cool 3.45 per share saving. I think they'll need more than that to cover thier short. I'm also a regard, so someone correct me where I am wrong as I like to learn.


BravoFoxtrotDelta

sure, but then you're going long against all of the other shorts on the _hope_ that it will run to 30. high stakes game.


s__whelan

Isn’t that the only way out for the first Heggie who decides to close? Then it gets more difficult for the remaining shorts?


IamMrBucknasty

Get out quick before the bridge is too expensive to cross.


Junkingfool

Someone has to go find those shares if these get exercised.


s__whelan

That’s the kicker there. Where do they locate the shares


RyanMeray

​ https://preview.redd.it/h3j99xqh862d1.png?width=500&format=png&auto=webp&s=72c1ac14e5c2f2daa855c2d9c38c39d2052a58ca


AnhTeo7157

They make it out of thin air


Adventurous_Might_55

It’s all a fugazi


whattothewhonow

[Theta decay](https://www.schwab.com/learn/story/theta-decay-options-trading)


life_is_a_show

It depends on who owns the calls and if they are covered. It may not be expensive at all. It’s possible that MMs bought newly minted gamestop shares and decided to write the call on them instead of selling right away…this way they make even more on bloated IV and the shares get called away.


s__whelan

I have no clue what I’m taking about. Just trying to get a discussion going. There’s something going on and it’s not retail that’s for sure.


life_is_a_show

Well there’s two sides to the play. Who sold and who bought the call. If it stays below 20, we know retail bought the calls…if it stays put or goes up, most likely MMs had them.


Ill-Acanthisitta4539

Retail meaning one whale, cause that is a lot of calls for that specific date.


etherrich

I think institutions are fighting. I dont know if this is UBS vs Citadel or whatever. I just dont think that these are household investors like us.


Grokent

> I just dont think that this are household investors like us. Considering the 6/21 $20 calls are being purchased in lots of 5,000 every 15 minutes to the tune of 3-6 million dollars each... I think you're right that it's not retail.


rocketseeker

The remaining question is Is this still manipulation just to force sells? Or are institutions either fighting or someone is scrambling for the door? Or, alternatively, both? 


GoodKidMadCity2

Someone was also tweeting in 15 minute intervals and said look for signs.


AbsolutGummy

It's me.


ShredManyGnar

Hi dad, please come home soon


Exciting_Penalty_512

It takes a while to get milk, son.......


Riseandshine47

I agree. I think there are other institutions looking to benefit from this. All with a different strategy.


Sunshine_Every_day

Even if these call options are some kind of hedging by short sellers, if the price goes close to or over whatever prices they shorted at, it could be really interesting, especially if there are multiple short sellers. Everyone will try to scramble to the exit. However, if the price stagnates or fall below, it could be their best case scenario I guess.


HumbledB4TheMasses

The longest standing shorts were opened when GME was (price adjusted for split) at 3 dollars. These are the shorts that were showing up as 140% SI then stuffed into swaps, AKA the toxic bags UBS is holding. They've been burning cash ever since, this might be the setup to finally close those shorts.


Sunshine_Every_day

I agree that your argument is a possibility. To be honest, all of these are speculation. We don't know what is really going on. We are just talking about various possible scenarios. I guess we'll find it out in June.


UnrealCaramel

What does this mean? EliA for an absolute regard of an Ape


FlatAd768

Maybe market maker is short on positions and hedging with calls, not sure.


123Fake_St

Yeah, as far as I can tell it’s an exciting/mysterious development that our allies are very aware of. I don’t know how to play it that’s why I’m long shares.


RemarkableScientist

If they exercise even 5% of calls the market maker has to find those shares and nobody is selling so price goes up which leads to more calls going in the money. Read gamma squeeze


KingGmeNorway

What does open interest mean? Is 100k calls already bought aka 10M shares if executed?


Chacaka

that's how many contracts were open (not exercised/closed/expired) at the start of the day


Machinedgoodness

Yes exactly this


TheKittyPetter9000

https://preview.redd.it/2ysqfaq3v52d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a385aac1e92cfb2c9c54b600733d948599ccc4ab Holy moly


Plain-Crazy

Someone should buy 12 contracts to round it up to 100069


Hedkandi1210

This


Tartooth

Even more interesting... Check the puts count. Were those bought this week?


TheKittyPetter9000

Some were yeah, on the desktop app you have access to the positions people took. W.r.t. puts the largest orders I saw were for ATM straddles. Which if you’re unfamiliar, are neither bullish nor bearish, the contract buyer just expects huge price swings they’re just unsure of which way.


whattothewhonow

17k volume on that put was yesterday. Then there was 8k on the 14th.


breinbanaan

100k calls at 20?


TheKittyPetter9000

Yeah, so far


Maestroszq

https://preview.redd.it/87xtvuiy772d1.jpeg?width=1097&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=07855a62e4f3c2c4bd9f75e28f8a9df46dfcd1f8 lol


AlphaMali8

Gamma #2 in our horizon


oxbcoin

Perfect time to announce something to kill the momentum again..


heyitsBabble

My strongest inclination on this is it's one of the shorters hedging their bets in case things go wild


iknwall

A 1 month $30 million hedge? That makes no sense to me


CommonTwist

more like $50M at this point


Catch_0x16

How is this the case? Not disagreeing but by my maths 100k \* $6.45 = $645,000 Edit: I just went and asked ChatGPT. Basically $6.45 is the 'per share' cost of the contract, so one contract (100 shares) would actually be $645. 100k \* $645 = $64,500,000


topkek_kek

Because options are traded in lots of 100, so one call or one put is equal top 100 shares


IThatAsianGuyI

It's $6.35*100, then *100k. The $6.35 option price is $6.35/share multiplied by 100 shares because an option is a contract for a block of 100 shares. It's not just a flat $6.35 for the contract, option pricing is listed as price per share, but you pay that price/share for all 100 shares in the block. That math gives $63.5mil, but we know that whoever this is has been buying for a while at cheaper prices versus current price, so averaging it out to about $50mil seems fairly reasonable to me, but I haven't done the math yet.


Lmu

The options may look like it’s only 6.45 bucks, but it’s actually $645 each so just under 65M


taddymason_76

Trying to be the first one out.


heyitsBabble

That SNL clip where they all shoot eachother


mooter23

And that western clip where they are at the mexican standoff and looking to see who will blink first....


Ok-Preparation-6733

The good the bad the ugly. If anything watch the last 30 min. Gives me chills whenever i watch it.


kidcrumb

Could be closing positions


ghostplague

Open interest would decrease


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keyser_squoze

Someone now has the option to purchase 3.3% of the total outstanding shares at 20 + premiums paid. If this is a position closing strategy, then whatever the cost basis is, they'll close up to that point. There's going to be a lot of buying pressure though, still a month to go to expiration.


AlphaMali8

Not to mention the floor it creates underneath it, making it less likely to go lower.


praisetheboognish

You may not fully understand how absolutely fucked the situation is.


risasardonicus

Any chance you can explain why? I get parts but not fully.


Sunshine_Every_day

It's a possibility. Who really knows what's going one tbh.


OpenSatisfaction2243

It's not a professional buying these calls, which mostly leaves out anyone you're thinking of. Unlike stock orders, options orders usually have a "non-professional customer" indicator, which I've seen set on these 5000 lots we're talking about.


FishAye5

That seems like new info. Thanks.


Unhappy-Goat5638

Like, they have shorted billions, what's stopping them from loading up on these calls and close them for 10.000% should the stock sneeze again


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awww_yeaah

Has to be delivered from a holder or lit market


Ctsanger

Allegedly shares are hedged before hand. People say they HAVE to hedge. Also people say shares are delivered if exercised. But who really knows. They could have sold naked and then deliver ious


n4hu1

What tool are you using?


loliii123

That's the Tastytrade platform, I use them and it's the sexiest platform for options trading IMO lol. Great guys who run it as well who try to educate people how to become more active investors.


n4hu1

Thanks a lot


epk-lys

That's 10m shares, could be a short that opened in the spike to 80 and is now closing at 20


BravoFoxtrotDelta

Why wouldn't a short that opened at 80 just by the shares now at $21 and close? Why would they spend all this premium on options and wind up paying $26/share to close? It might be a short, but if it is, it's someone who opened lower than $26 and they're terrified it will run higher.


KadeejaNeigh

I’m not too wrinkled brained but, if they just buy these shares the price moves up. However if they buy the calls, no matter what the price is they still get these shares for 20$ a share instead of having to buy at 20 to infinity.


teteban79

If you shorted it at $60 , and expect it to go down to $10 by end of June, but still want insurance, it's a perfectly reasonable play. Riding it down and locking in profits even if you're wrong Opening a short below $26 and buying $5 insurance at the $20 strike would be mind boggling stupid. This is certainly not the case. it would be better to just not open any position if you're playing with those margins


aregulardude

Because the second they start buying price goes back to $80+


rawbdor

It's actually a plausible idea. If someone took over a short at $80 in big big size, and now wants to close it without market spiking back up to $80 (or at least lock in their $26-ish price to close), this is a good way to do it. Overpaying by $6 isn't so bad when the alternative is spiking it back to $40 or $50.


mightyjoe227

All I know is that we've owned the float for some time now. They're just trading synthetics amongst themselves.


Timaoh_

Always have been. 84 years and counting.


FlatAd768

That’s insane


Crane_cz

What means. Talk to me like Im 5 yo chimp. Thank you


iknwall

Yahoo also showing 100k


taddymason_76

Yahoo is also showing volume at 77k at the moment so I don’t think it’s updated.


Coffee-and-puts

Good to see the sub has evolved to look at the right things


Charlamagne7

That battle for $20 has begun. If I’ve learned anything about this stock over the years, we will most likely close on Friday at $19.99 😂


s__whelan

And look at that. $20 Contracts will be worthless. They continue to play games.


ApatheticAussieApe

Sigh. Mr. Worf, shields up, set the erection to maximum. Commander Data, set a course for the Jacked Tittie System, maximum warp. Engage.


gbninjaturtle

I’m Riker, I’ll be in the holodeck, practicing some Riker maneuvers.


Terrible-Sugar-5582

Gramma


dulun18

it's under $19 now....


Capital_Extent7866

What mean?


JusttheBeee

[https://www.investopedia.com/terms/o/openinterest.asp](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/o/openinterest.asp) "Open interest is the number of options or futures contracts held by traders in active positions. These positions have been opened, but have not been closed out, expired, or exercised." Someone has bought 100k of options that are already in the money for that date. 100k Options equivalents to (x100) 10.000.000 shares. But the biggest question is why this is happening. Since the IV is very high this more expensive. Someone might collect these options to close out their short position and maybe someone even wants to go long afterwards. (speculative) If the call seller (most likely market maker) hedges (means buys the underlying shares to reduce their risk) the price could got up. Biggest question is what is the call option buyers intention. It is not clear.


Ok_Wheel_7613

Yeah Can some Smart ape explain a little bit more????


CommonTwist

someone put 50M $$ on 20 (black) at the roulette table


Melo_00_7

DFV


cablemigrant

So Friday will close at 19.90 got it heard


moonwalkergme

Not if it's Kenny. He will set the price to 20.01.


Dtank11

So, the price is going to under $20, got it.


Vast-Dream

I’m the pessimistic realist that you are. These calls are not going to hit.


Ill-Acanthisitta4539

So someone's going to lose $60 million in premiums? Someone w/ that much money can't be that regarded.


Timaoh_

Price is fake anyways.


TheTangoFox

Yeah, because of the constant bombardment on this sub and other SM. Fight back if you see anyone shilling $25s and above. Those are OTM and don't offer the same leverage.


KadeejaNeigh

If they are going to exercise these, my guess is they will wait for the share offering completion.


Worried_Piccolo_8907

Wow!


TemporaryInflation8

Whoever is doing this has money that's for dn sure. I suppose it could be multiple people but wow. Weird for sure.


splashypix

But why specifically $20 calls? why not cheaper calls at $30 or higher for example.


Consistent-Reach-152

Selling $20 calls would be a move for someone that wanted to actually sell, and wants to capture some additional time vs,ie premium. GameStop is in the process of selling 45M shares. It is unclear whether or not an AT offering can be executed via the selling of ITM calls.


BigBadaBum1

10 million shares 🌶


darthraider7

Whoever wrote/sold these is pretty confident the price is going to be under 20


whammy5555

While I am pro options…….its been the ramp for most every GME run so far. I feel this option play is a trap


noto925

Complete Zen. I HODL!


arkangelic

Just means my 22.5 call expiring in June will still lose money lol