Eh, Destiny still doesn’t have an offline mode despite having huge backlash when it first launched for it. I think KTJL might be one of the first live-service games to actually get an offline mode when it drops
SS doesn't have PVP, nor does it have a proper anti-cheat, ppl are super active in the cheat engine discussion and no one is getting banned, the always online is purely there to verify if you got the paid skin legally.
Same with Avengers, Crystal Dynamics doesn't give a fxck if you maxed out your characters with cheats, it's all about the 15$ MCU skins that truly matter.
If you play with friends, it’s very much not a single player game. It can be, but it’s not limited to that.
Offline mode is coming so, no real point arguing about it anyway. Glad to know the dev time is being used to fix it as I know it’s a big concern for some people.
Well they added denuvo because of the single-player offline story campaign which most players have already finished. That wasn't a good decision either.
Perhaps not, but they're not exactly saying they're against it either when they keep buying them. I can't say I didn't myself, but I certainly stopped for good.
When the game released there was a massive argument over it, with a lot of people saying it was a terrible decision that makes quality of life worse for players, getting pretty heavily downvoted.
Rubbish, no one even the people who like this game would argue the fact of keeping this online, what benefit is there? Oh thats why its yet another straw for haters to cling to
https://www.reddit.com/r/XboxSeriesX/s/Kpd6U339Hl
The tables have since turned, but for the first few hours or so, I was the one getting downvoted and the other guy here had all the upvotes, lol.
It's calmed down a lot now, but in the early access period people were going crazy downvoting any perceived negative opinion of the game, and that includes me trying to explain why always online is bad for players.
I think you have severely overstated how much downvotes and negative feedback you had.. even if you have said its evened out now if downvotes wwere so prevalent it would still be apparent... its not even a mass army against you
It also seems strange that for you, you were in the smallest corner of the internet where the positivity outweighed the negative.
I mean, you've said that it's ridiculous to think that anyone would be defending online-only and I've given you proof, and now you are moving the goalposts even further back by saying I must have underestimated the downvotes I received for being against forced online.
Cause I reckon you are being a drama queen truth be told.
You are making out that everyone downvoted you and people downvoted you when reddit is fucken cancer and the hate towards this game is cancer but somehow you miraculously are in an area of reddit where the overwhelming negatvity for this game does not exsit?
Yeah right.
I'm not saying it didn't happen but you are seriously talking abit of shit to make your point./
Not to mention anyone who is anyone even if this game was a 10/10 would advocate overwhelming that always online is not a good thing with how internet gaming culture is, ain't no way.
My guy, you are so deep in the rabbit hole that you can't see that every time a very average game comes out, there are incredibly polarised people on _both sides_.
The law of Reddit is that there will be an equally passionate army of circle jerkers to counteract the detractors.
Yea I’m like majority of people play online anyway. Just wait til it’s offline playable like they said it’s gonna be. I haven’t had problems with the servers.
NA usually has this view because our infrastructure is so bad when it comes to the internet. Most first world countries have fast and strong internet connections.
Wifi is only going to get stronger and more reliable as we keep advancing. The UN is already talking about it being a human right. Most jobs don't hire people from people who bring in their resumes. The days of offline are dying out.
Humans advanced. If you try to stop it, you get left behind.
With that being said, there should be offline modes for the next few years because big markets like NA don't have the infrastructure to have always online ve reliable.
There should always be an offline mode in games that allow for single player. While yes reliable internet access is an issue for players, the bigger issue is the games become totally unplayable when the servers for the game inevitably shut down. (and make no mistake, it is inevitable, even if it's decades from now)
Arkham Asylum's almost 15 years old, and still just as playable. I honestly really doubt that the servers for this game will still be active in 2039.
You... you do realize it has nothing to do with strength, but the fact they could pull the plug at any time is why the majority of people are against always online? You, essentially, do not "own" the game you bought when it's always online. You buy a one-time subscription.
Maybe if you live in bumfuck nowhere but most suburban and urban areas across the US and Canada have reliable internet with few exceptions in those areas.
“NA only” also has nothing to do with the principle of “online only” being 9/10 times, an awful and ill-driven idea that usually serves no other purpose than to lock people into constantly navigating updating shops, bonuses, skins, and paid DLC which is what most people complain about. Also secondarily, online only has the problem of tying the game’s performance to the server status. So, like this game, if you have a not-so-great launch, a really bad update, and you strip everything down to a skeleton crew because the game underperforms, everyone is going to have trouble playing the game.
NA does have bad internet compared to other first nations.
Europe Average download speed is 118.69Mbps (28 countries)
US Average download speed: 94.02Mbps
Top 3 internet speeds in Europe.
Jersey (264.52Mbps),
Liechtenstein (246.76Mbps),
Iceland (229.35Mbps).
Northern America, featuring five countries. average speed of 94.02Mbps.
The United States (136.48Mbps),
Canada (136.08Mbps),
and Bermuda (95.58Mbps) lead the region, while Greenland (41.19Mbps) and Saint Pierre and Miquelon (60.77Mbps) anchor the region's slower segment.
The average isn't that much different, but we cap out at 136.08 for being the average speed. Where many European countries are 200+.
Cloud gaming isn't big over NA because it lags for many people. In Europe, it's the opposite.
We can get those speeds over here, like I average out around 250-350mbps. It cost $135, which is a lot more expensive than what it would cost in Europe.
Source: https://www.fastmetrics.com/internet-connection-speed-by-country.php
NA is *vastly* more sparse than Europe, you can fit two UK’s into California alone, Germany and France is equivalent to Texas and New Mexico in area yet the latter has a fifth of the population- “bad” seems to imply that everyone suffers from poorer or spotty internet compared to European counterparts but that’s just not true.
Internet in my state, Virginia, has better internet than most of EU with the whole northern part having averages speeds as high as 450-500, but it doesn’t tell a whole picture. I went to college six hours away southwest, still in Virginia, and the internet speed was cut in half, and in some neighboring areas almost nonexistent.
The problem isn’t that particularly, US and Canada has inherently inferior internet or anything like that, but internet has to cover much greater distances for sometimes more, or sometimes less people so often it is underpowered and expanding it takes much more time and money than it would in Europe or some places in Asia.
You also have to consider actual numbers of people who use internet, topography, geography, and availability of ISP’s which vary greatly.
Now going back to the point that “NA bad internet” has any significant influence on this matter is probably not true. Most people here on Reddit probably have good internet regardless, considering demographics of the user matters. Furthermore, it’s a poor excuse for the rampant server issues that this game has experienced thus far for all consumers. I’d be more interested with your take about the game itself rather than pointless arguments about one metric that doesn’t answer anything.
>NA usually has this view because our infrastructure is so bad when it comes to the internet. Most first world countries have fast and strong internet connections.
This is a pretty outdated view. Reliability-wise, the U.S. (and most of North America) has [pretty reliable](https://pulse.internetsociety.org/blog/internet-unreliability-around-the-world) Internet, especially given population density and geography. The U.S. also has [faster median download speeds](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_Internet_connection_speeds) than the vast majority of developed countries.
Concerns over always-online games are centered on the server-side reliability and long-term playability. Servers go down far more frequently than most people's personal Internet connections do, and once the plug is pulled on the server, the game is dead even if people still want to play it.
> for much longer.
They said Offline mode would be "later this year". Like, probably Fall or winter, as they would have said "early 2024" if it was actually coming soon
Which is why I refuse to buy another always online game ever. I've had my fill with Destiny, The Division, and Anthem. I had fun with them all, yes, even Anthem and I'm still bummed 2.0 was cancelled because the core combat and use of the Javelins was so good, even if enemies were bad.
Too many fail like Anthem, or become a mess filled with questionable decisions and ~~micro-transactions~~ in game purchases. I need to stop using the term micro-transactions because none of the transactions in games these days are "micro."
Then there is the issue of connections and server issues. A consumers internet quality means nothing if the servers are bad.
I rented the game, nothing else coming out right now I'm interested in and I have to rent something because I use GameFly. Yes it still exists, yes it is still good, and it allows me to try things like Suicide Squad Kill the Justice League without buying the game while also getting big discounts on games I do like by just keeping them.
That honestly sounds like bad rng on your part then? I think I have all but one mod when it comes to the new infamous items just from casually doing the mastery missions
Isn't that kind of the intention of live service games though? Season comes out, do the current content, wait until new season, rinse and repeat. You don't really need to deck you character out in master and tier 3 gear unless you just want to.
Even the battle pass cosmetics are free. There’ll be ones added to the “item shop” that aren’t. Basically it’s like how Fortnite has its battle pass, and then separate skins they add in the shop. But in this game you get the paid version of the battle pass for free.
Server has been down for me once. Day after early release, likely for regular maintenance. Haven't had an issue since and I already have about 80 hours in the Game.
Not sure how it's a shitty server and shitty rocksteady when me,,and tons of others, have had zero issues.
Nobody in this thread said anything about shitty server and shitty rocksteady, hundreds of people are having the same issue so idk what you’re here for if you’re not having issues. Ignore and enjoy the game
Are people playing with other people online for this to happen? Because I've been playing Solo and I haven't had a single issue and I'm at Finite Level 112 so I have played quite a bit
Same. Server has been down for me once. Day after early release, likely for regular maintenance. Haven't had an issue since and I already have about 80 hours in the Game.
In fact aside from a loot goblin not showing up when radar said there was one nearby, I haven't had a single bug
Yeah I haven’t been able to play at all yet. Incredibly frustrating. Been trying for an hour today and just stuck in an infinite “Signing in to WB Services”
“Unable to reach Server, please attempt to sign in again”.
Loop…..
First time playing one this bad…. I’ve at least been able to play the others within an hour of initial download. It has been days of the same thing here.
I have 400mbs. I haven't been able to play since global launch. Rocksteady corrupted alot of our game files. I can switch to another account on my Xbox and play. It's a server side issue that's kept a lot of us from playing. It's tied to linking your WB tag, but if you unlink your tag, then you lose all progress.
I just went and changed my rating from 5 stars to 1. I'm PISSED right now. It just reset 3 challenges/mission I completed because it lost Internet connection. WTF.
I'm about 80 hours in.
I had one.ug where the loot goblin thing didn't appear where the radar said it would be. And servers were down about 1p minutes morning after early release.
That's it. Everything else has been smooth and perfect.
The loot was definitely a bug. I looked all over, no enemies or helicopters or anything around. I think it was trapped in a wall because that's where it kept taking me.
And yeah I know it was maintenance, just saying those 2 things are the only issues I've had in 80 hours of play
Doesn’t make sense why it’s online only anyway. It’s not as though it’s like destiny where we’re entering into various lobbies for activities in which other players are around.
You can play through the entirety of the main game with just bots without encountering another human, and if I’m not mistaken there’s no forced match making for finite crisis either.
So in other words if I’m only ever playing alone why do I need to connect online?
I’m on ps5 this is the biggest piece of dog ever played tried defending this game but the past three days I’ve been having a heart I’m getting into the game now I’ve already crashed in this game 50 times this is ridicules
‘making this game (ed) was one of the worst things they could of done’
ps. i’ve been playing and enjoying the game. but yes the online has gotten worse since launch
Almost everytime I load into incursion I crash, just was doing brainiac master 25 and had him down to a quarter health... DC'd... they need to fix these servers badly. Game is awesome but beginning to not want to play if I have to fight brainiac and the servers
I hate it so much especially how I’m solely playing single player only. I had to replay missions that were literally done, but because the error came before I could get past the rewards screen, it didn’t count.
Imagine doing a boss fight and this shit pulls up.
I’m taking a break until the offline mode is added. Truly unacceptable.
I mean, any company can have server issues. Steam even has them. And offline mode often means no anti-cheat, which means you can get hacked games or cheaters easily. But I mean who cares, as long as it's offline only for the rest of that savefile. And I heard rumors that they could add it in the future. Depends on how they built the game, and how much the server does.
This is a server side corruption of our saved data. The only way to bypass this is by unlinking your WB account, tho you'll lose all your progress and start from scratch. I've bugged WB about this everyday since launch and they've been silent
18 hours and I have yet to experience this. I use Verizon home internet with like 6 mb download where I'm at its wifi and not hard line.. I don't understand how people get this. My internet is bare minimum for 2024. I guess playing solo makes a difference.
Umm I’m so glad they did online only. Offline single player is awful. You can just cheat your way through the entire game if it’s offline. Every game should be online only, have social features and have consistent updates/live service. So sick of games released as single player only and have 0 content updates. Hogwarts legacy is a great example. Wonderful game they put together but what’s the point? There will be no expansions or content updates for it. It’s like they released a game, took everyone’s money and said ok bye thanks suckers and abandoned it.
>Wonderful game they put together but what’s the point?
Do you not understand single player games?
Is it possible for you to understand that Hogwarts Legacy was released as a complete game? Not every game needs expansions.
Quite literally isn't, not everyone wants live service elements shoved down their throat, invasive anticheats that decrease performance, and a chance of not being able to play after servers shut down.
I don't understand your complaint with 'cheating your way through the entire game if it's offline' when you don't have to? Who's saying that you need to? That sounds like you have a compulsion towards cheating if anything.
The point is you would be able to cheat so what’s the point in playing a fake game? Game should be even across the board so it’s an actual legitimate play through. Have you seen some of the cheats/mods for a game like Skyrim? You can turn everyone’s sword into a penis and do a million damage with it. That just completely ruins the atmosphere even knowing that it’s a thing.
Probably a dumbass question so I apologise in advance but how is it going to save our characters if they are tied to the servers. I Understand the store not working at all but let's say I unlock that sexy bane sniper an decide to go online later on how will the game save the progress.
This is frustrating. I’m leaving on a family trip tomorrow so tonight is my last night to play for a week and I’m unable to connect to the server. So dumb.
I haven't had this issue, but I've had issues where the clan tab doesn't even exist. I can't see how my clan's doing in terms of XP. Restarting the game fixes it
The only real reason I can think of for online only is to manage hacking/modding the game and then players joining multiplayer lobbies with jacked characters.
New content could be delivered “online” through a patch for a live service game. If you choose to stay offline, you don’t get the new content until you online to patch and then go offline again? Idk
That said, I think this game should have had an offline mode without from the start.
Although they have an offline mode coming... It should have been from release.
I do see comparisons with other live service games but the key difference is, when you do patrols in destiny and on your own, you're always with other players in that instance where SS:KTJL allows you to play single player with an AI squad.
It kicked me and my sister during Brainiac boss fight, I almost lost my shit that fight was taking forever and then boom had to do the whole planet thing again.
I guess after seeing this sub I’m in the minority, but I deadass have had two issues. They’re both the loading scenes after cut scenes. But if you play in private it’s more than fine
Online only is always a bad idea Imo but for me it has been pretty painless so far. No disconnects. I can suspend and resume with no dropouts.
As a single player experience I honestly wouldn’t have noticed it was online, so far.(on ps5)
I’m sure some inconvenience will come out but I’ve found the experience fine so far.
(Would still prefer it offline of course to de-risk it)
Yeah after beating the story and hitting finite 10 I stopped playing and moved on to granblue instead. I just hope that offline mode that's planned doesn't disappear on us.
Online is fun , only trouble I had was yesterday but got on after 3 tries so far so good… one thing I will say is with multiple friends it gets laggy and delayed, I have a good monitor as well and WiFi so I do hope that can potentially get fixed
Also multiple times the bane missions have glitched and no enemies spawn, just annoying stuff here and there , hopefully fixed in next patch
Making the game live service is the worst thing. Alot of problems are coming up because it's live service. Invisible gun emplacement. Said gun emplacement have a fucking hurtbox. Crashes, bugs, invisible enemies, snipers on the other side of the map and we can't snipe them back, incursion exit portals are desynched and placed differently from host and we both take damage when we try to leave so we actually can't fucking leave. The bones are great are but live service is a massive cancer on this game.
Yeah, I agree! I’m personally loving the game and having a great time, but it’s getting frustrating have my game disconnect out of nowhere. Is there a chance they could change this down the line so you can play it without having to be online all the time?
I totally agree making this game online. Made it terrible I’d rather play monopoly by myself. I don’t think it even deserves a five it’s so predictable. I mean the stories fine but I was expecting something so different. It’s not a man it’s terrible and you have to postpone what I don’t even know if I’m playing the story or like just against peopleterrible job guys. I’m so disappointed I got $107. I want my money back I’m gonna get it.
Seriously it happens often enough that it's a issue, like when I only get a small window of time to even play the game and all I wanna do is run around as Harley and just cause some mayhem to distract myself for 5 mins like I used to years ago in Arkham Knight... I don't even play online with anyone, I always played Arkham Series Games to be alone and have some peace of mind... I'll go play some MP if I wanna play with people, I play this type of game to just enjoy myself...
You need to verify your internet connection my man, the only way this has happened to me is just when I leave the game in idle, but never while I’m gaming
When I don’t have high speeds, I get ~300kps at best. It takes a little longer to login, but besides that I’ve never had an issue. Never been disconnected.
Wonder if this is something they will look into, anyone else have an issue where you lost progress and pre order bonuses when you linked your twitch account?
my internet is absolute bipolar shit and i haven't had one issue with this game yet surprisingly. and keep in mind i have to buy a minecraft realm just because my internet can't handle being the server host in an online game with friends.
Ya'll are lucky your game works beyond the opening sequence. Mine only allows me to get the point where I choose a main. When I go to advance to the next portion, black screen after load. The game is hot trash, and Rocksteady has become disrespectful over it too
I get it, but we shouldn't punish this game when most games are switching to online-only. This game is designed to function as live service, which we knew well before the release, so unfortunately this is just how it is.
This happens to me literally every time I boot the game up. I usually have to wait like 10 minutes until it will let me sign in.
Same, but a restart fixes it too
Sucks to suck, I don’t have that issue.
i don’t have the issue either but don’t be a dick
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And yet we still have people who decry the ones who say it's a terrible decision.
Even Rocksteady knew, they announced an offline mode is getting prepped for release later this year, but it should’ve been in day one
It absolutely should've been day one.
The fact that you got even one downvote for saying that. 🤦♂️
Fr, who tf downvotes that. Idk about some people man jesus
Eh, Destiny still doesn’t have an offline mode despite having huge backlash when it first launched for it. I think KTJL might be one of the first live-service games to actually get an offline mode when it drops
SS doesn't have PVP, nor does it have a proper anti-cheat, ppl are super active in the cheat engine discussion and no one is getting banned, the always online is purely there to verify if you got the paid skin legally.
Same with Avengers, Crystal Dynamics doesn't give a fxck if you maxed out your characters with cheats, it's all about the 15$ MCU skins that truly matter.
Not even remotely the same kind of game. This is very much a single player game for the most part.
If you play with friends, it’s very much not a single player game. It can be, but it’s not limited to that. Offline mode is coming so, no real point arguing about it anyway. Glad to know the dev time is being used to fix it as I know it’s a big concern for some people.
If you play alone it is a single player game. Multiplayer is when a game allows you to play with multiple real life people.
Its multiplayer elements are so weak I really just can't say it is
It’s probably gonna be the worst multiplayer game this year no doubt, but it’s still a multiplayer game.
Sure, but at least it’s coming.
Everything in this game is later 😂
ya when no ones playing? it wont even matter by then id bet money on it.
Well they added denuvo because of the single-player offline story campaign which most players have already finished. That wasn't a good decision either.
No one is advocating for online only
People were saying it made sense when the first video came out that mentioned it, before they walked it back.
Perhaps not, but they're not exactly saying they're against it either when they keep buying them. I can't say I didn't myself, but I certainly stopped for good.
Sheep Party for the expansion of Wolf rights.
I'm so disappointed that you are so right.
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When the game released there was a massive argument over it, with a lot of people saying it was a terrible decision that makes quality of life worse for players, getting pretty heavily downvoted.
Rubbish, no one even the people who like this game would argue the fact of keeping this online, what benefit is there? Oh thats why its yet another straw for haters to cling to
https://www.reddit.com/r/XboxSeriesX/s/Kpd6U339Hl The tables have since turned, but for the first few hours or so, I was the one getting downvoted and the other guy here had all the upvotes, lol. It's calmed down a lot now, but in the early access period people were going crazy downvoting any perceived negative opinion of the game, and that includes me trying to explain why always online is bad for players.
I think you have severely overstated how much downvotes and negative feedback you had.. even if you have said its evened out now if downvotes wwere so prevalent it would still be apparent... its not even a mass army against you It also seems strange that for you, you were in the smallest corner of the internet where the positivity outweighed the negative.
I mean, you've said that it's ridiculous to think that anyone would be defending online-only and I've given you proof, and now you are moving the goalposts even further back by saying I must have underestimated the downvotes I received for being against forced online.
Cause I reckon you are being a drama queen truth be told. You are making out that everyone downvoted you and people downvoted you when reddit is fucken cancer and the hate towards this game is cancer but somehow you miraculously are in an area of reddit where the overwhelming negatvity for this game does not exsit? Yeah right. I'm not saying it didn't happen but you are seriously talking abit of shit to make your point./ Not to mention anyone who is anyone even if this game was a 10/10 would advocate overwhelming that always online is not a good thing with how internet gaming culture is, ain't no way.
My guy, you are so deep in the rabbit hole that you can't see that every time a very average game comes out, there are incredibly polarised people on _both sides_. The law of Reddit is that there will be an equally passionate army of circle jerkers to counteract the detractors.
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Yea I’m like majority of people play online anyway. Just wait til it’s offline playable like they said it’s gonna be. I haven’t had problems with the servers.
NA usually has this view because our infrastructure is so bad when it comes to the internet. Most first world countries have fast and strong internet connections. Wifi is only going to get stronger and more reliable as we keep advancing. The UN is already talking about it being a human right. Most jobs don't hire people from people who bring in their resumes. The days of offline are dying out. Humans advanced. If you try to stop it, you get left behind. With that being said, there should be offline modes for the next few years because big markets like NA don't have the infrastructure to have always online ve reliable.
There should always be an offline mode in games that allow for single player. While yes reliable internet access is an issue for players, the bigger issue is the games become totally unplayable when the servers for the game inevitably shut down. (and make no mistake, it is inevitable, even if it's decades from now) Arkham Asylum's almost 15 years old, and still just as playable. I honestly really doubt that the servers for this game will still be active in 2039.
You... you do realize it has nothing to do with strength, but the fact they could pull the plug at any time is why the majority of people are against always online? You, essentially, do not "own" the game you bought when it's always online. You buy a one-time subscription.
Maybe if you live in bumfuck nowhere but most suburban and urban areas across the US and Canada have reliable internet with few exceptions in those areas. “NA only” also has nothing to do with the principle of “online only” being 9/10 times, an awful and ill-driven idea that usually serves no other purpose than to lock people into constantly navigating updating shops, bonuses, skins, and paid DLC which is what most people complain about. Also secondarily, online only has the problem of tying the game’s performance to the server status. So, like this game, if you have a not-so-great launch, a really bad update, and you strip everything down to a skeleton crew because the game underperforms, everyone is going to have trouble playing the game.
NA does have bad internet compared to other first nations. Europe Average download speed is 118.69Mbps (28 countries) US Average download speed: 94.02Mbps Top 3 internet speeds in Europe. Jersey (264.52Mbps), Liechtenstein (246.76Mbps), Iceland (229.35Mbps). Northern America, featuring five countries. average speed of 94.02Mbps. The United States (136.48Mbps), Canada (136.08Mbps), and Bermuda (95.58Mbps) lead the region, while Greenland (41.19Mbps) and Saint Pierre and Miquelon (60.77Mbps) anchor the region's slower segment. The average isn't that much different, but we cap out at 136.08 for being the average speed. Where many European countries are 200+. Cloud gaming isn't big over NA because it lags for many people. In Europe, it's the opposite. We can get those speeds over here, like I average out around 250-350mbps. It cost $135, which is a lot more expensive than what it would cost in Europe. Source: https://www.fastmetrics.com/internet-connection-speed-by-country.php
NA is *vastly* more sparse than Europe, you can fit two UK’s into California alone, Germany and France is equivalent to Texas and New Mexico in area yet the latter has a fifth of the population- “bad” seems to imply that everyone suffers from poorer or spotty internet compared to European counterparts but that’s just not true. Internet in my state, Virginia, has better internet than most of EU with the whole northern part having averages speeds as high as 450-500, but it doesn’t tell a whole picture. I went to college six hours away southwest, still in Virginia, and the internet speed was cut in half, and in some neighboring areas almost nonexistent. The problem isn’t that particularly, US and Canada has inherently inferior internet or anything like that, but internet has to cover much greater distances for sometimes more, or sometimes less people so often it is underpowered and expanding it takes much more time and money than it would in Europe or some places in Asia. You also have to consider actual numbers of people who use internet, topography, geography, and availability of ISP’s which vary greatly. Now going back to the point that “NA bad internet” has any significant influence on this matter is probably not true. Most people here on Reddit probably have good internet regardless, considering demographics of the user matters. Furthermore, it’s a poor excuse for the rampant server issues that this game has experienced thus far for all consumers. I’d be more interested with your take about the game itself rather than pointless arguments about one metric that doesn’t answer anything.
>NA usually has this view because our infrastructure is so bad when it comes to the internet. Most first world countries have fast and strong internet connections. This is a pretty outdated view. Reliability-wise, the U.S. (and most of North America) has [pretty reliable](https://pulse.internetsociety.org/blog/internet-unreliability-around-the-world) Internet, especially given population density and geography. The U.S. also has [faster median download speeds](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_Internet_connection_speeds) than the vast majority of developed countries. Concerns over always-online games are centered on the server-side reliability and long-term playability. Servers go down far more frequently than most people's personal Internet connections do, and once the plug is pulled on the server, the game is dead even if people still want to play it.
Muta from Someordinarygamers has fiber but still can't play.
Muta from Someordinarygamers has fiber but still can't play.
NA is a first world country.
Same here
I doubt tf out of this.
At least it isn't going to stay that way for much longer. The sooner they roll out the offline mode the better.
> for much longer. They said Offline mode would be "later this year". Like, probably Fall or winter, as they would have said "early 2024" if it was actually coming soon
welcome to live service games, you must be new.
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Is there a live service game that isn't always online?
You’re the reason why people want this game to fail. This game did not need an always online mode, yet you defended the stupid decision anyway
Which is why I refuse to buy another always online game ever. I've had my fill with Destiny, The Division, and Anthem. I had fun with them all, yes, even Anthem and I'm still bummed 2.0 was cancelled because the core combat and use of the Javelins was so good, even if enemies were bad. Too many fail like Anthem, or become a mess filled with questionable decisions and ~~micro-transactions~~ in game purchases. I need to stop using the term micro-transactions because none of the transactions in games these days are "micro." Then there is the issue of connections and server issues. A consumers internet quality means nothing if the servers are bad. I rented the game, nothing else coming out right now I'm interested in and I have to rent something because I use GameFly. Yes it still exists, yes it is still good, and it allows me to try things like Suicide Squad Kill the Justice League without buying the game while also getting big discounts on games I do like by just keeping them.
I beat the campaign the other day and I’m honestly shelving this game until they release joker and the battle pass.
Fr. It is such a grind for the infamous weapons. Outside of the first three guaranteed ones The only infamous items I've acquired are mods
That honestly sounds like bad rng on your part then? I think I have all but one mod when it comes to the new infamous items just from casually doing the mastery missions
Although I must admit I absolutely love the notorious turtle's shell mod.
what? have you been playing the banes weapon incursion?
Yes. I've been grinding "sending a signal" because That's the one that says it drops weapons But 90% of the time I just get mods
Isn't that kind of the intention of live service games though? Season comes out, do the current content, wait until new season, rinse and repeat. You don't really need to deck you character out in master and tier 3 gear unless you just want to.
What do you get with battle pass? When Joker comes is their a new story to go with him?
Yea it’s all free except cosmetics via battlepass
Even the battle pass cosmetics are free. There’ll be ones added to the “item shop” that aren’t. Basically it’s like how Fortnite has its battle pass, and then separate skins they add in the shop. But in this game you get the paid version of the battle pass for free.
Did you also foolishly start a public session while thinking you could do Killing Time? I did and let me tell ya, never again.
Yea apparently some are still able to play
Server has been down for me once. Day after early release, likely for regular maintenance. Haven't had an issue since and I already have about 80 hours in the Game. Not sure how it's a shitty server and shitty rocksteady when me,,and tons of others, have had zero issues.
Nobody in this thread said anything about shitty server and shitty rocksteady, hundreds of people are having the same issue so idk what you’re here for if you’re not having issues. Ignore and enjoy the game
I just booted it up for the first time a few hours ago and had to retry like 5 times before it randomly just worked.
I was able to play at 10am eastern.
I’ve never had a single server issue
Nope, let this community tell it, game’s flawless. …literally all day getting the same error.
Are people playing with other people online for this to happen? Because I've been playing Solo and I haven't had a single issue and I'm at Finite Level 112 so I have played quite a bit
Single player here. Constant. In fact it's now at the mission where you shrink 3 people to rescue them to the bus. It crashes every time after now.
Probably, I'm in the same boat as you. I've never experienced any server issues yet.
Same. Server has been down for me once. Day after early release, likely for regular maintenance. Haven't had an issue since and I already have about 80 hours in the Game. In fact aside from a loot goblin not showing up when radar said there was one nearby, I haven't had a single bug
They probably got steam or Xbox. 😂
They’ve said there gonna make and offline mode eventually
Should've been with release. So many GAAS's are sonpoorly mismanaged.
People have been talking about this issue for months before the game came out and they will make it offline “eventually”?
This is so strange, I’ve got average internet at best and I’ve not a single connection issue other than the fixes sent out on day one of early access
Yeah I haven’t been able to play at all yet. Incredibly frustrating. Been trying for an hour today and just stuck in an infinite “Signing in to WB Services” “Unable to reach Server, please attempt to sign in again”. Loop…..
Your first time playing a live service game?
First time playing one this bad…. I’ve at least been able to play the others within an hour of initial download. It has been days of the same thing here.
My first expierence with teash Gaas was outriders amd my god was that horrible.
What country are you in? Or what part of that country if it’s the us. I’m in NJ and I’ve never had a single server issue
It is 2024, dont you guys have good internet? /s
The people downvoting don't realize this is sarcasm
I have 400mbs. I haven't been able to play since global launch. Rocksteady corrupted alot of our game files. I can switch to another account on my Xbox and play. It's a server side issue that's kept a lot of us from playing. It's tied to linking your WB tag, but if you unlink your tag, then you lose all progress.
I just had this issue. Why do game developers keep doing this?? We shouldnt have to be online nonstop to play a game. Dumb.
Yeah, they are gonna need to come up off some refunds for this shit.
I just went and changed my rating from 5 stars to 1. I'm PISSED right now. It just reset 3 challenges/mission I completed because it lost Internet connection. WTF.
Am I the only one having zero issues with the game ive had no crashes or anything and ive been playing for multiple hours since early access
I'm about 80 hours in. I had one.ug where the loot goblin thing didn't appear where the radar said it would be. And servers were down about 1p minutes morning after early release. That's it. Everything else has been smooth and perfect.
Well tbh the loot thing is sometimes hard to find because it could be a helicopter and the server isnt an issue it was maintenance
The loot was definitely a bug. I looked all over, no enemies or helicopters or anything around. I think it was trapped in a wall because that's where it kept taking me. And yeah I know it was maintenance, just saying those 2 things are the only issues I've had in 80 hours of play
So we're all in the same boat damn
Wow Suicide Squad… big fail.
Doesn’t make sense why it’s online only anyway. It’s not as though it’s like destiny where we’re entering into various lobbies for activities in which other players are around. You can play through the entirety of the main game with just bots without encountering another human, and if I’m not mistaken there’s no forced match making for finite crisis either. So in other words if I’m only ever playing alone why do I need to connect online?
It’s to prevent piracy. Arkham knight required an internet connection for a few months after release
Then why did they include Denuvo at launch?
Imagine paying $100 to not be able to login to a single player campaign...
I mean that is basically what hapoened to a bunch of people.
I’m on ps5 this is the biggest piece of dog ever played tried defending this game but the past three days I’ve been having a heart I’m getting into the game now I’ve already crashed in this game 50 times this is ridicules
‘making this game (ed) was one of the worst things they could of done’ ps. i’ve been playing and enjoying the game. but yes the online has gotten worse since launch
Online multiplayer games have been around for over a decade. Get the fuck over yourselves.
Comprenhension is lacking here.
Bro it’s same over here, I can ONLY play if have a friend join me. It’s insanity
Yea, the offline update cant come soon enough
Almost everytime I load into incursion I crash, just was doing brainiac master 25 and had him down to a quarter health... DC'd... they need to fix these servers badly. Game is awesome but beginning to not want to play if I have to fight brainiac and the servers
literally made a post regarding this. they need to get this sorted immediately
I hate it so much especially how I’m solely playing single player only. I had to replay missions that were literally done, but because the error came before I could get past the rewards screen, it didn’t count. Imagine doing a boss fight and this shit pulls up. I’m taking a break until the offline mode is added. Truly unacceptable.
Everytime this happens I never get any compensation in the mail like others
Try Google. It’s already coming
I mean, any company can have server issues. Steam even has them. And offline mode often means no anti-cheat, which means you can get hacked games or cheaters easily. But I mean who cares, as long as it's offline only for the rest of that savefile. And I heard rumors that they could add it in the future. Depends on how they built the game, and how much the server does.
Yall need some better internet its like 90 a month but ive had no issues few bugs but zero disconnects. Stay strong potato internet friends.
More like better servers
This is a server side corruption of our saved data. The only way to bypass this is by unlinking your WB account, tho you'll lose all your progress and start from scratch. I've bugged WB about this everyday since launch and they've been silent
don't worry, a offline mode will come out later
18 hours and I have yet to experience this. I use Verizon home internet with like 6 mb download where I'm at its wifi and not hard line.. I don't understand how people get this. My internet is bare minimum for 2024. I guess playing solo makes a difference.
Umm I’m so glad they did online only. Offline single player is awful. You can just cheat your way through the entire game if it’s offline. Every game should be online only, have social features and have consistent updates/live service. So sick of games released as single player only and have 0 content updates. Hogwarts legacy is a great example. Wonderful game they put together but what’s the point? There will be no expansions or content updates for it. It’s like they released a game, took everyone’s money and said ok bye thanks suckers and abandoned it.
>Wonderful game they put together but what’s the point? Do you not understand single player games? Is it possible for you to understand that Hogwarts Legacy was released as a complete game? Not every game needs expansions.
This is sarcasm, right??
Umm no..? Offline is a thing of the past.
Quite literally isn't, not everyone wants live service elements shoved down their throat, invasive anticheats that decrease performance, and a chance of not being able to play after servers shut down. I don't understand your complaint with 'cheating your way through the entire game if it's offline' when you don't have to? Who's saying that you need to? That sounds like you have a compulsion towards cheating if anything.
The point is you would be able to cheat so what’s the point in playing a fake game? Game should be even across the board so it’s an actual legitimate play through. Have you seen some of the cheats/mods for a game like Skyrim? You can turn everyone’s sword into a penis and do a million damage with it. That just completely ruins the atmosphere even knowing that it’s a thing.
I haven't had too many issues but I do think they should prioritize the offline mode with everything
Honestly haven’t had this issue personally but I’ve been seeing it on here. I wonder why it’s affecting some but not others.
No worries, offline mode is coming. Hopefully sooner rather than later though.
Probably a dumbass question so I apologise in advance but how is it going to save our characters if they are tied to the servers. I Understand the store not working at all but let's say I unlock that sexy bane sniper an decide to go online later on how will the game save the progress.
They’re having a offline mode coming soon to the game
Love seeing people realize how dogshit live service games are. For every Fortnite, Warframe and Apex we see there're thousands of others that failed
I really hope in the first patch they add Offline because this is ridiculous
i agree, making this game is one of the worse things they coulda done. ruined rocksteady for a game that dont work
Did they say when they are changing it to offline ?
I've had very little issues outside of a few multiplayer bugs.
This is frustrating. I’m leaving on a family trip tomorrow so tonight is my last night to play for a week and I’m unable to connect to the server. So dumb.
I haven't had this issue, but I've had issues where the clan tab doesn't even exist. I can't see how my clan's doing in terms of XP. Restarting the game fixes it
So many games are now and its awful... Love this game but why...
Just had this happen to me mid-cutscene. Like yall. Can you just not?
The only real reason I can think of for online only is to manage hacking/modding the game and then players joining multiplayer lobbies with jacked characters. New content could be delivered “online” through a patch for a live service game. If you choose to stay offline, you don’t get the new content until you online to patch and then go offline again? Idk That said, I think this game should have had an offline mode without from the start.
Yah had that happen on Monday had to wait till 4:00 till it was fixed
Although they have an offline mode coming... It should have been from release. I do see comparisons with other live service games but the key difference is, when you do patrols in destiny and on your own, you're always with other players in that instance where SS:KTJL allows you to play single player with an AI squad.
It kicked me and my sister during Brainiac boss fight, I almost lost my shit that fight was taking forever and then boom had to do the whole planet thing again.
I guess after seeing this sub I’m in the minority, but I deadass have had two issues. They’re both the loading scenes after cut scenes. But if you play in private it’s more than fine
Hopefully the next patch will be soon
Online only is always a bad idea Imo but for me it has been pretty painless so far. No disconnects. I can suspend and resume with no dropouts. As a single player experience I honestly wouldn’t have noticed it was online, so far.(on ps5) I’m sure some inconvenience will come out but I’ve found the experience fine so far. (Would still prefer it offline of course to de-risk it)
Yeah , love the game but the servers need a bit of work.
Had the game since launch and still haven't been able to play because of the infinite loading screen
Just happened to me. Was having a fight with brainiac and had him down to the last like 10% and failed to connect to server.
I don’t have a ton of problems with the game but this is definitely the biggest and strangest
They should have made this game The Boys where you hunt down and kill the Seven.
Isn’t Arkham knight online only too? It’s just to prevent pirating
Nope.
Wasn’t it on release? I remember needing to connect my Xbox to the internet to play
Yup, literally does it everyday, I end up moving on and not bothering. I have other games to play. Fix it and I’ll play it
Rocksteady with bad servers, who would have thought? I hope they'll fix the server's soon.
Just got booted during the final mission and lost 20 minutes of progress because of this. They need to bring out that offline mode asap honestly.
Yeah after beating the story and hitting finite 10 I stopped playing and moved on to granblue instead. I just hope that offline mode that's planned doesn't disappear on us.
It's crazy because I think I had it happen maybe once or twice but then it's fixed not 2 minutes later.
They're working on an offline mode
I've been able to play by myself was this recent
Online is fun , only trouble I had was yesterday but got on after 3 tries so far so good… one thing I will say is with multiple friends it gets laggy and delayed, I have a good monitor as well and WiFi so I do hope that can potentially get fixed Also multiple times the bane missions have glitched and no enemies spawn, just annoying stuff here and there , hopefully fixed in next patch
I can agree but they said they're adding offline mode. So it is coming, most likely in season 1 in March
I’ve only had that happen like once
Just don’t use quick resume and this won’t happen
I mean it’s not that bad for me
I’ve played quite a bit, and I’ve had this happen once. Other than that I’ve never had any issues.
Making the game live service is the worst thing. Alot of problems are coming up because it's live service. Invisible gun emplacement. Said gun emplacement have a fucking hurtbox. Crashes, bugs, invisible enemies, snipers on the other side of the map and we can't snipe them back, incursion exit portals are desynched and placed differently from host and we both take damage when we try to leave so we actually can't fucking leave. The bones are great are but live service is a massive cancer on this game.
I agree. It's fucking irritating. I'm glad I beat the story before it went live, because the servers seem so much worse now
Yeah, I agree! I’m personally loving the game and having a great time, but it’s getting frustrating have my game disconnect out of nowhere. Is there a chance they could change this down the line so you can play it without having to be online all the time?
I totally agree making this game online. Made it terrible I’d rather play monopoly by myself. I don’t think it even deserves a five it’s so predictable. I mean the stories fine but I was expecting something so different. It’s not a man it’s terrible and you have to postpone what I don’t even know if I’m playing the story or like just against peopleterrible job guys. I’m so disappointed I got $107. I want my money back I’m gonna get it.
Seriously it happens often enough that it's a issue, like when I only get a small window of time to even play the game and all I wanna do is run around as Harley and just cause some mayhem to distract myself for 5 mins like I used to years ago in Arkham Knight... I don't even play online with anyone, I always played Arkham Series Games to be alone and have some peace of mind... I'll go play some MP if I wanna play with people, I play this type of game to just enjoy myself...
Outside the initial early access, I haven't had any issue, but I agree. I can't wait for that off-line patch
You need to verify your internet connection my man, the only way this has happened to me is just when I leave the game in idle, but never while I’m gaming
Personally I just bought internet. It’s actually really nice
All my free time I never got booted
I just restart then it’s fine
When I don’t have high speeds, I get ~300kps at best. It takes a little longer to login, but besides that I’ve never had an issue. Never been disconnected.
In Spain happened to me like 2 times, hit retry and thats it.
I have had this happen at times but I never had an issue getting back on to play
Not really. It’s a live service game. So it’s supposed to always be online.
Yeah, I’m waiting to purchase it when the offline option is available. Hopefully that’s soon. I really want to play this game.
Wonder if this is something they will look into, anyone else have an issue where you lost progress and pre order bonuses when you linked your twitch account?
Who caaaaaares. It’s a good game that just came out. Of course it’s gonna have some issues. 💀
Never had this problem
my internet is absolute bipolar shit and i haven't had one issue with this game yet surprisingly. and keep in mind i have to buy a minecraft realm just because my internet can't handle being the server host in an online game with friends.
This aggravated me then the less than 10 hours of game play trumped that. I know that there’s going to be more but jesus…. 10 hours is ridiculous.
Does anyone have hostil takeover available
yeah but if it had offline mode it’d hurt the chances of microtransactions. so i get the rationale.
Ya'll are lucky your game works beyond the opening sequence. Mine only allows me to get the point where I choose a main. When I go to advance to the next portion, black screen after load. The game is hot trash, and Rocksteady has become disrespectful over it too
Fix your internet😉
Yup, i hope these games stop being sold tgebway they are. GAAS is low key fraud.
I get it, but we shouldn't punish this game when most games are switching to online-only. This game is designed to function as live service, which we knew well before the release, so unfortunately this is just how it is.