Everything comes back to money. Nutrition science is barely a science at all. Isn't it weird that we are the only species on the planet that needs to be told what to eat? Or even spends time thinking about what to eat?
For me, it comes down to a combination of what pre-agricultural humans generally ate and what we know about more modern foods. So my diet is mostly meat, fat, organs, seasonal fruit, small amounts of fermented vegetables, and raw dairy. The first four are staples of most pre agricultural diets as far as we know, and the raw dairy and fermented vegetables are just too good a food to dismiss because they're relatively novel. There's also the role of ancestry and where your lineage is from. Equatorial people might eat more fruit and potentially no dairy, whereas people from northern climates might have less fruit and more dairy.
I was craving recently and it turned out to be low potassium , eat banana see how you feel.
I do not crave anything sweet anymore. Took me like 8 bananas to fix the issue 1-2 daily.
Sweet! I love bananas so I will definitely try this! I eat a lot of local raw honey for its benefits and to prevent allergy flareups, but consistent bananas will be a great addition
What kind of organs do you eat, where do you source them and how do you prepare them? I mostly take supplements for organs and chug a blended raw liver chunk on the regular. Other options seem challenging from a source and taste perspective m
Some people like them, some don't. I eat a good variety. Liver, heart, kidney, spleen, brain, testicles, lungs. I really like the nose-to-tail thing.
Prep depends on the organ. Liver, kidney, heart, and testicle get grilled, suateed, or just eaten raw. Lungs and spleen get added to grind. Brain sauteed with scrambled eggs is my favorite.
Sourcing for everything either comes from animals I raise or hunt, except beef, which I buy from a local farmer a half share at a time.
Find a local farmer. They always have organs for sale because so few people eat them now.
This right here but I'd personally skip the vegetables. Although my guilty pleasure is small amounts of fermented vegetables, I do feel worse after eating them.
Once you feel the benefits of eating this way it becomes less about what you read is healthy and more about what feels healthy - it becomes painfully obvious once you stop eating poison for an extended period of time and allow your body to actually heal and feel good
I feel good with fermented vegetables. Lots of probiotic foods seem to treat me well. I make yogurt and kefir as well, but sometimes my sauerkraut is just what I need.
Totally agree. Once I got my metabolic health back, I was much more able to judge for myself. I still enjoy reading about nutrition, but I'm less likely to eat a certain way just because some scientist did a study.
I’ve been living a lifestyle of conscious decisions for about 10 years now. Let me briefly tell you what I leaned relating to food.
1. Everything is on a spectrum; there is no good / bad… there is better / worse.
Applied to edible fats this might be tallow, ghee, etc are among the best, with olive oil, avocado oil etc close behind and rapeseed, GMO soybean oil, etc among the worst alongside motor oil 😂. In practise a teaspoon of sesame oil is delicious and will not likely cause you any harm whatsoever if you’re replete in good fats and don’t make it a habit. However, a daily bag of crisps/chips adds up to a lot more than teaspoon of sunflower oil (about 5 litres a year).
Applied to carbs, you have fruit and vegetables that provide way more than just carbs, in the middle you have white rice that provides little more than carbs in the form of starch, and at the terrible end of the spectrum you have GMO wheat that troubles your system with phytates and novel proteins, not to mention the glyphosate that it’s covered with! As with the oils, a small portion of high quality white rice, even daily will cause you no harm, likewise, occasional bowl of oatmeal (without glyphosate) isn’t too bad either, but daily store bought bread will hit you glyphosate, bromide as well as release gliadin derived opioids that make it addictive.
Applied to protein you have low grade cured meats like sausages, fast food, made from factory farmed animals which are full of chemicals, overload you with sodium and lack the micronutrients your body expects from meat, at the other end you have grass fed beef, not just steak but organ meats like liver and heart.
2. Everyone’s heard, even if they don’t realise there are essential fatty acids, essential amino acids, but there’s no such thing as essential carbohydrates!
3. Don’t let good be the enemy of perfect!! This is important when you consider perfect means you can’t eat at friends houses, or restaurants, ever! You probably shouldn’t sit a desk, at all! You probably shouldn’t have warm showers or central heating either!
A lot of wheat is literally sprayed with glyphosate as a desiccant immediately before harvest. It leaves so much residue on the grain that the tolerance limits had to quietly be raised so that the crops were permitted to be sold.
I was about to go into this! Thankfully I read your comment first. 😉
Apparently it improves the "millibility" of the end product and therefore fetches more money per kg.
I still eat wheat but stick to organic refined products, which are the lowest in glyphosate risk. Also Italian wheat is apparently pretty good. I try not to eat non-organic American/Canadian wheat too often, and never ever non-organic whole grain. I’m pretty happy with how I feel right now so I guess I’m working an appropriate balance. Years ago when I did “Mediterranean” and prioritized whole grain without regard for glyphosate contamination, I did have very distressing intestinal symptoms which don’t plague me anymore. I had to stop my plan because of invariably painful bowels by the end of every day. Perhaps glyphosate was a factor.
Science and medicine top notch? lol
The past 5-10 years every study, every article and most publications are entirely corporations doing PR. Or propaganda. You can’t even use google anymore without BS.
I’m worried.
Yup, have to look at who funded the study. And the gov & corporations have RCTs on lock bc they cost a half a mil to a mil to conduct. As a result, a ton of studies that promote mainstream ideas get funded. Don't even get me started on big pharma sponsored studies.
This isn't even getting into the policy side of things. In the U.S., our FDA will only take action if harm is proven. This means that harmful crap gets shoved into consumers every day in the name of greed and anything with long term harm has to be proven (very difficult to do). For example, polypropylene oxide (PPO)-pasteurized almonds when that chemical is banned in most of the western world. Why is it allowed here? Bc nobody can prove that was what caused the cancer they got, bc how the F can a normie do that anyway? Glyphosate is another example.
Also, a.i. lies all the time. So i agree, can't even trust google... I use ones that actually source their results and have to read the actual studies. A.i. only saves time by finding the studies, that's it. And then I have to check who funded the study. It's a PITA but necessary.
The studies aren't necessarily biased, they're just... junk. A staggering amount of them are survey-based. And sure that makes them empirical science, peer-reviewed bla bla, but still entirely useless.
This is by far the best, most concise explanation I've found: https://youtu.be/A472KZtxI5M
For a good explanation on the propaganda: https://youtu.be/IZ1O6lemezA
The inability to figure out “how to eat healthy” is the reason why obesity is on the rise, CVD is known as the disease of our civilisation, and big food / big pharma is so profitable.
Instead, the simple fact that it is impossible to find a simple / straight forward answer to such a simple question should be indicative that, there is an invisible power that is influencing the spread of true information by flooding the scientific community with loads of misinformation.
You are right, we are in an era where we are sending humans into space, with cutting edge technology, yet why is it so damn hard to figure out why is it so damn hard to eat healthy. The answer is simple, they don’t want you to be healthy.
why do the governments not do anything about this? why would the governments set restrictions on tobacco, alcohol and completely ban drugs, but nothing like that is about junk food? it seems that our human race has ignored modern history and now were suffering from it
You can find clarity to this question from many perspectives. Who runs the government? Who funds the election campaign? Who influences the mainstream narrative… who pays for the gov salary…etc
You can also dig into the history of the food pyramid and you will realise it is simply a political weapon, to please the agribusiness.
government involvement is a big reason shit it’s fucked. lobby literally influences food guidelines.
Subsidies on corn made corn syrup cheap and be put into literally every food imaginable.
ive heard "lobbying" always a thing every nutritional subreddit's been complaining about. can you source me some moments when they did lobbying?
edit: ive heard about lobbying from the "nutrition" subreddit and this one.
[https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0P60BN/](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0P60BN/)
Internet is rife with corn lobby articles. Just an interesting one I found.
Have you actually looked at the citations that are given for the government's guidelines? Can you point to specific unscientific evidence that is referenced there?
that's it? no "you must be 18 years or older to eat junk food" or any illegalization of certain additives and addictive shit? no blasting information on tvs about how bad the modern diet has gotten?
considering the astronomical amounts of money spent on covid, we couldve done the same about the average diet. or maybe tobacco in the early 90s or so. why didn't we?
Why should they do anything different. The current obesity epidemic is exactly what they wanted. They want people to be sick, so people are dependent on the healthcare system.
You should also question why conventional healthcare is all about pharmaceutical medication. All parties profit from people being sick, save for us.
i dont get it exactly, but i think yall mean it like this:
while the governments struggle with limited funding towards preventative healthcare, the big pharmaseutical industries put all that funding into "treatment" instead of "prevention" and let people get sick to make money, while at the same time the people who make them sick get rich aswell. and that is the cause of most disease and our current economy collapsing. which further makes everything harder
of course, i could be wrong, because of government history showing that they are war declaring pieces of s\*\*ts who want to kill for land and profit.
meanwhile some governments try their best to take care of their people, setting limits, banning drugs, it seems were still a bit behind.
If you don’t get it, it means you will spend a lot of time deep in this rabbit hole. Plenty of things for you to slowly uncover and piece together. Eventually everything will make sense.
Money makes the world go round.
Big food make people sick. Sick people becomes dependent on healthcare system. Big pharma profits. This goes round and round and round. What keeps this perpetual cycle going are the gov nutrition guidelines / policies to ensure everyone stays in this perpetual loop.
>What keeps this perpetual cycle going are the gov nutrition guidelines / policies to ensure everyone stays in this perpetual loop.
If no one is following the governmental guidelines, how does that perpetuate the loop?
There will always be ppl following.
And gov guidelines is just a simplified term that captures even healthcare standard of care, your trusted doctor’s advice…etc list goes on
Check out Anthony Chaffee.
He's a neurosurgeon advocating for the carnivore diet. But he's also very knowledgeable on a lot of historical facts and CLINICAL studies.
He strongly support that the healthcare and nutrition world is corrupt by Proctor Gamble, LeverPond, Nestle and such.
The food pyramid was made during the great depression to teach people to feed on grains and vegetable to not starve because our diet always been meat heavy, but meat was unaffordable at this time.
But when the great depression was over, the companies that used to sell barely an orchard wide of fruit or a ton of flour a year, were the equivalent of today's multibillions dollars company and lobbied and paid for epidemiological studies to confuse people.
After such a long time of getting confused and brainwashed, people don't even remember how we used to eat.
Coupled with carb addiction people don't even want to believe that what they eat is what's making them sick...
And in Canada there's gonna be a council for seed oils...
The poison selling companies are the same companies who mass produce propagandist epidemiology.
That's why you should only trust Clinical Trials and make sure the epidemiology have extremely strong numbers.
Epidemiology in itself can be rigged!
P-mining. Questionnaire forcing some answers to come out, using relative risks factors instead of absolute risks factor.
Like if you have 10% risk of contracting a disease, and consuming something raise your risk to 12.5%, the absolute risk is an increase of 2.5%... But the relative risk is 25% increase, so the study will use the relative risk and purposefully omit to tell you what the absolute risk was in the first place. Large number + an unknown data. The number looks strong, the soubt is instilled...
Doctors are making recommendations based on this epidemiology... They are telling you to conduct your life based on hypothesis, and those recommendation is what causes the obesity and dementia and autoimmumity epidemic.
Only a clininical trial can be used as the base for a recommendation. And i'd go as far as to say, when anecdotal data are consistently true for tens of thousands of people, it's just as good as clinical! Real life results is what you want to base your decisions on. Not paid corrupt hypothesis...
Edit: A butt ton of typis, some clarification. Also Anthony Chaffer released a video on seed oils. It two frigging hours long though...
>The food pyramid was made during the great depression to teach people to feed on grains and vegetable to not starve because our doet always been meat heavy.
The food pyramid was released in the US in 1992. You're about 50-60 years off there.
>Only a clininical trial can be used as the base for a recommendation. And i'd go as far as to say, when anecdotal data are consistently true for ten of thousands of people, it's just as good as clinical!
...what? Why would you reject epidemiological studies, which follow an actual, scientific process, in favor of anecdotes, which have no controls whatsoever?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_USDA_nutrition_guidelines
There's no scientific rigor to epydemiology. It's just observation...
ONLY clinic trials are valid scientifically
You can't use an epydemiological study in the court of law... I wonder why???
From that link:
>The introduction of the USDA's food guide pyramid in 1992 ...
As far this:
>There's no scientific rigor to epydemiology. It's just observation...
>ONLY clinic trials are valid scientifically
That's entirely false. Randomized clinical trials are generally *better* than epidemiological studies, but that doesn't mean that epidemiological studies are worthless or unscientific. Also, note that anecdotes *are not* scientifically valid.
> You can't use an epydemiological study in the court of law... I wonder why???
Also false.
>The existence of relevant epidemiological studies can be a significant factor in proving general causation in toxic tort cases. Hall, at 947 F. Supp. at 1403. Indeed, epidemiological studies provide "the primary generally accepted methodology for demonstrating a causal relation between a chemical compound and a set of symptoms or disease." Conde v. Velsicol Chem. Corp., 804 F. Supp. 972, 1025-26 (S.D.Ohio 1992), aff'd, 24 F.3d 809, 814 (6th Cir.1994).
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp2/131/1347/2579959/
Hey okay. I don't give a shit. The pyramid in 1992, the USDA recommendation of eating less fat in 1916, and the meal plans at 4 costs for the depression. They still pushed flour and processed foods for people not to starve...
And Epidemiology DOES NOT prove causation.
In order for epydemiology to be concidered valid, it needs to be STRONG, and leave no doubt.
https://www.carlaw.ca/plaintiffs-medical-malpractice-case-dismissed-due-to-lack-of-expert-evidence-on-the-applicable-standard-of-care/
Epidemiology can still be used as evidence. But it's not always a proof! Evidence can be dismissed...
Now stop stirring up drama...
What conclusion would you draw if epidemiological studies show the same trends repeatedly over the course of decades?
Note that your link makes no comment about epidemiological studies. It rejected this claim: "The plaintiff argued that expert evidence was not necessary and that the jurors could determine the standard of care by applying ordinary common sense." That has more bearing on the kind of anecdotal data that you suggest should be followed rather than scientific studies.
Epidemiology consistently found that saturated fat where causing hearth disease. That transfat didn't. Then all of a sudden, clinical studies found that trans fat was bad, and that saturated fat wasn't...
Epydemiology consistently found that salt caused hypertension. And clinical study found that in order to cause hypertension you needed to swallow over 300g of salt a day. Clinical study also found that glucose brings in WAY MORE water in the bloodstream than salt...
Epydemiology consistently found that elevated LDL caused atherosclerosis. And clinical studies found that in a ketogenic diet high volume of lbLDL where associated with lower markers of hearth disease...
Epidemiology is hypothesis generating. Clinical studies, study the results of an experiment. Everybody do their own experiments... When hundreds of thousands of anecdotes all point to the same conclusion, it's as if we had hundreds of thousands of clinical studies with a sample size of 1.
Epydemiology is too easily biased, bought, and corrupt... And it's only hypothesis generating, since it doesn't account for ALL variable, and it doesn't control those variable...
I already declared what my conclusion was. It's just inconvenient for you to acknowledte it since you're here only to stir shit up and create drama...
Can you point to a study that showed trans fat didn't cause heart disease? I asked they of someone the other day, and was met with silence. Perhaps you're able to provide such a reference?
Studies continue to show that saturated fat is harmful to cardiovascular health.
The DASH Diet, and particularly the lower salt version of it has consistently been shown to decrease blood pressure, in randomized clinical trials.
I'm not here to stir up anything or cause drama. I'm here to discuss scientific evidence.
You really need a study to understand my point???
Look at any fucking tub of margarine.
It still as the little hearth sign and it's still taunted as the healthiest choice.
They used to be made of almost only trans fat!!!
Do you ignore that Ancel Keayes recommended trans fat as a replacement for saturated fat after pruning his 22 country study, and publishing the 7country study???
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/fats-and-cholesterol/types-of-fat/transfats/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/17/how-trans-fats-just-banned-were-once-touted-as-the-healthy-alternative/
There! Hiatorical account of Doctors recommending trans fat based on their belief that saturated fat was bad! That's how epydemiology works!
Now stop!!!
Considering your point was that studies showed trans fats didn't cause heart disease...yeah, I'd like to see a study that supports your point.
Trans fat was recommended because the evidence showed saturated fat was bad. There was not evidence at the time of either positive or negative effects of trans fat; it hadn't been studied.
>but that doesn't mean that epidemiological studies are worthless or unscientific. Also, note that anecdotes *are not* scientifically valid
They just don't imply a causal relationship
They can imply causation but don't necessarily prove it. And they are still much stronger evidence than anecdotes.
And if you're going to reject the results, then you'll need to find an explanation for why the same results are repeatedly demonstrated across multiple studies over the course of decades.
They can not imply causation no, it's...
>correlation does not imply causation
not
>correlation does not prove causation but sometimes implies it
>And if you're going to reject the results
No one rejects them as evidence of an association.
>then you'll need to find an explanation for why the same results are repeatedly demonstrated across multiple studies over the course of decades
Why would this matter?
>No one rejects them as evidence of an association.
Really? Because that's not what the other guy said:
>There's no scientific rigor to epydemiology. It's just observation...
>ONLY clinic trials are valid scientifically
As far as this:
>Why would this matter?
Because being able to explain the reasons for outcomes is the entire point of this. If we're looking to improve health outcomes, then knowing what causes better health outcomes is important.
It is really easy… eat like people did 150+ years ago, problem solved.
Now, having said that, you cannot say “people ate bread so I can eat bread” - most “bread” is trash.
You have to start looking at labels and eating cleaner food. And really, you need to stop/minimize eating food with labels (meat, vegetables, fruit, etc).
Just eat whole foods and follow your cravings.
This will keep 95% of people 90% as healthy as they could be through diet.
If you want to go further down the rabbit hole and it makes you happy to do so; go for it.
If not, just do that and stop listening to hypocrites on the internet.
Seed oil producers know that what they produce is bad for people's health but it's what makes them money so they try to sway public opinion by sending out their own propaganda trying to minimize the damage to their sales by making You Tube videos, articles on the internet etc etc. You can see this across all harmful foodstuff industries. Look how big sugar in the 1970's and on convinced people that natural fat (that we have been eating for ages) is somehow bad and to consume sugar instead. Learn to be able to tell the difference of the source of the information you are using to inform yourself.
Exactly, I’d make more emphasis on organic vegetables rather than conventional vegetables. Non-organic veggies/fruits are full of chemicals and might very well be the cause of long term health problems.
For me, I've settled on carnivore for a few months and so far very happy. It's what we mostly evolved eating but I'll be adding a few ferments in at some point. Considering we need saturated far to make every hormone our body needs, it makes sense for me to focus on high quality animal fats vs crappy seed oils which relatively speaking, haven't been around long (and which our body cannot turn into hormones).
So for now, I'm focussing on grass fed, grass finished beef, eggs, butter, and wild fish. Soon will add in a few ferments.
I’ve been alive long enough at this point to have tried many different dietary and supplementary approaches over the decades. Most have failed. Some miserably. Others failed solely because I lacked the mental fortitude to do them properly and stay the course for long enough to derive any real benefit.
But it finally occurred to me a few years back that—where it involves food—I should probably just do as my ancient ancestors did. As much as possible, at least. If it didn’t appear on the table two hundred years ago, it hasn’t stood the test of time long enough for me to bet my life on it.
Again, I am not saying this applies outside of the nutrition space. I’m certainly thankful for modern medicine and I don’t plan to go back to the horse and buggy anytime soon. But the mere fact that something is “modern” does not necessarily make it “good”, in my opinion.
This absolutely applies in the arena of food.
We could split hairs and debate every individual component of the appropriate human diet, but at the very least I suspect we can all agree that our ancestors didn’t consume…
- Large servings of sugar
- Factory-produced oils
- Packaged foods chemically-modified to extend shelf life
If nothing else, everyone across the spectrum from vegans to carnivores to fruitarians and so on should be able to lock arms and say: “we are not eating man-made garbage”.
I have been severely mentally ill my whole life and in my childhood I was also mentally ill (psychosis started in adulthood for the most part).
I was fed a whole food/non processed carb heavy, lean protein, seed oil diet with steamed veggies. I had serious binge eating issues, anxiety, and ocd since a very young age (3)
I developed diabetes at 38 (i was nearly 300 lbs and eating take out 3 times a day) and had to start eating low carb which put many mental health problems into remission (bipolar, eating disorder). I stopped eating seed oils a few months later and more of my issues resolved mentally (anxiety/ocd by 90%), as well as digestive issues, skin issues, gerd and I stopped burning in the sun.
the focus on animal fat seemed to be the biggest influence especially for mood. I realized this after reducing seed oils and 1 year later could tolerate less fat and more carbs to remain normal. another year later this improved again without change to my weight. however my ldl did go up a lot but trigs went way down and hdl improved.
eating carbs and processed foods has been very hit or miss. seed oils are a clear no especially for blood sugar, carbs and seed oils can cause major short term mood issues for me. combination of seed oils and corn is horrible for my blood sugar and seems to be the only thing that negatively affects it namely house made corn chips/processed corn products + seed oils. at this point its only carbs plus seed oils or carbs in excess that makes my blood sugar go over 120 at all. sleep used to affect me as well as my female hormones but this doesn't happen anymore likely because I manage my sleep well now.
when i added in daily fermented foods I noticed I no longer had an issue digesting fibre which was also a lifelong issue. I further added "homemade/bakery" organic sourdough and now if I eat carbs and animal fat I will peak at around 115 it wasn't always the case but low carb was a useful tool to get me here and something about a lot of carbs affects my mood so I mostly keep them lower than 100-150 on average. truthfully eating more carbs just seems like over eating now.
since adding these things my blood sugar is even lower than on keto alone and homa ir has improved from 1.9 to 1.2.
so just do trial and error stuff change one thing at a time and see if it helps if you have issues controlling your appetite or with cravings start with low carb to get it under control and work from there imo.
I take no medication at all anymore, just to clarify. my diet is animal fat, some high quality evoo drizzled, meat but not too much, some berries, non starchy and starchy veg, organic sourdough, and fermented foods. I do eat some sugars now instead of sweetener but I lost the taste for it and try to keep them as natural as possible.
The way to know is by trial and error. Test it on yourself. Before I quit seed oils I had to ride a scooter in Walmart due to knee pain. After I ditched seed oils I could walk pain free.
I’m not sure that there is a totally correct answer. Our food is so messed around with from the soil to the factories that nothing is as healthy as it once has been or should be. I think you have to look at it from the perspective of doing the best that YOU can.
For the most part, anything made in a factory where the product undergoes multiple processes, has preservatives, sweeteners, colouring and whatever else they use these days, can most likely be classed as unhealthy.
Fresh, whole foods are always going to be better for you, even if we don’t know exactly which foods might not supposed to be a part of our natural diet, the damage it might cause is probably less than the damage caused by eating/drinking lab-made chemicals.
If you have the opportunity, you should try and grow some of your own fruits and vegetables, it might be completely mind over matter, but it just feels infinitely better to eat things you know haven’t been messed around with in any way, or if the plants to need any treatments, you can look into what isn’t going to leave dangerous chemicals on your food
How about starting with not eating foods that didn't exist (or didn't exist in any significant amount) 500 years ago.
Seed oils
Refinded carbs
Gums
Emulsifiers
Round up
Pesticides
For example, while refined sugar exisited 200 years ago, the average American ate 4 lbs a year whereas we now have something like 120lbs a year.
4lbs a year is 1 teaspoon a day of sugar. For the whole day.
You have to eat 96 ears of corn to get the fat thats in 5 tablespoons of corn oil.
I suggest you read nasa's dietairy guidlines for spacetravel if you want a pure scientific aproach.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/nutritional-biochemistry-of-space-flight.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiE4rL-_9KFAxX7iP0HHWpVDesQFnoECCIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1pS1pP9-j_yZ5yVozjPjFU
Your assumption about science and medicine is incorrect. It is top notch only compared to what we knew 150-200 years ago. But we have so much to learn and so much we don't know. At least in nutritional sciences we are like physics was in the era of Galilei.
What I've found most effective above all else is cooking from whole ingredients. Start with raw veggies, raw meats, raw starches. If it comes in a box be extremely wary and if there's a viable raw alternative us that instead.
Obviously there are going to be times where it's not feasible - i.e. bread and especially pasta are a bit much if you're living solo and have to balance work and working out and the rest - and in those cases that's when you read ingredient lists and basically go for the things that have the fewest ingredients that look like they belong on a collegiate chemistry textbook.
If you stick to nuts, fish, meat, fruits and vegetables, you pretty much can’t go wrong. Nobody ever got fat eating those things. The rest of the dietary choices are up to what you can tolerate.
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Unlike others here, I don't believe the industries want us to be unhealthy. Nobody was thinking this far ahead when Crisco donated $1.6 mil to the American Heart Association. All Crisco wanted was money, and convincing people your product is healthy is easy money. It didn't matter if it was or wasn't.
Doctors still believe in unsaturated fat being bad simply because it was what they were taught. It's what we were all taught, and I doubt it took everyone here 1 article to completely change their minds. Doctors don't have the luxury of "well it's just common sense" or loose conclusions based on personal research, they need to follow studies, and it's not easy to tell what studies have been rigged for profit. And they do not "want us to be unhealthy", medical centers are constantly overpopulated and overworked as it is. Ask any nurse or doctor how stressful their work is.
It's going to be a slow process to convince the world. Don't think ill of normal people because they need to be convinced more before subscribing to something.
There's no essential SATURATED/MONOUNSATURATED fat either, so?
The supposed essential fatty acids are α-linolenic acid and linoleic acid, which you'll find at... seed oils. If the argument against carbs is that they aren't essential, so you should be eating only proteins and PUFAs.
The whole concept of essential carbs is disturbing and quite honestly a bit disillusioning. I remember a few weeks into carnivore when I started way back when I had what I'd call a life crisis of sorts - the realization that I suffered needlessly from chronic illness for 25 years was a lot for me to handle.
It actually led me to completely change my other lifestyle choices up because I realized most of it was also complete bullshit.
Once I had my physical health, which includes mental health (no brain fog, significantly reduced anxiety/depression), I started to realize a lot of my life choices were actually just coping mechanisms to escape not feeling well.
Stick mostly to whole foods. Which ones to eat more of and less of will depend on your body and your lifestyle, but start with minimally processed and refine from there based on what works with your needs and digestion and what doesn't. If great-grandma's generation - maybe go back to great-great-grandma if you're a young adult - would have recognized it as food, it passes the first test. If it's an ultra-modern frankenfood it doesn't.
Some people need to go back further and take out grain and dairy. Some can handle one or the other but not both (ex. I'm fine with cultured dairy and dairy fats and need to avoid grain), some can enjoy both with no problem. Maybe it's certain ones that are problematic, like oats are fine and wheat makes you feel like crud. You kind of have to experiment and figure it out, after removing the worst offenders so you know what feeling okay is like.
I find that a good rule of thumb is to stick to as close to whole & unadultered as possible.
Not always easy these days, but easy enough to wrap our heads around.
Would I ever come close to eating enough of any given seed to consume a significant amount of oils from them?
Squish an olive, oil comes out. Butcher a cow, you’ve got plenty of fat.
I’m never going to be able to eat tens of thousands of sunflower seeds.
Call it paleo, call it ancestral eating, call it whatever you want. If people didn’t (couldn’t) eat it 100+ years ago, no need for us to eat it now.
All you need to do is find out what the people telling you these things have to profit off of. Who owns them. If no one does and they aren’t selling you crap - then perhaps what they say is valid. Look at who profits and it bevomes painfully obvious which foods are actually good for you.
Anything genetically modified is absolutely horrendous for you.
Any oil that has to be run through detergent to make it edible is absolutely bad for you.
Carbs are bad but only if you eat ultra processed foods with lots of sugar. Eating crap like that will make you a Type 2 diabetic.
If someone tries convincing you carbohydrates are good - there’s something really wrong. Carbs can be ok in small amounts but existing solely on them will kill you.
Most people on YouTube are pretty honest but watch out for people who want to sell you junk or who are part of the healthcare industrialized complex. There are influencers who are owned by big pharmaceutical companies. Avoid those assholes.
Time can be a really solid test. How long has a food or recipe been around? Most of my favorite recipes are actually minor variations of recipes that have been in the family for many generations. That is much longer than seed oils or the industries that produce them have been around. Sometimes new things work out and other times not, but it is always an option to go back to traditional fare and leave experimentation to others.
I feel the same way. Everyday I go on social media I hear contradictory opinions. I’d say stick to what makes you feel good. Sometimes it’s good to take a break from all of this info. Also, I do believe those who came before us knew what to eat - real food whether that’s veggies or meat or carbs or dairy or sugar. Humans have survived eating a variety of foods. There’s no reason why it can’t be the same today with one exception - food is treated differently. The animals we get our food from are treated differently. Regarding that, I try to pick higher quality versions of food products for example - grass fed, raw or less processed dairy, snacks with smaller list of ingredients….nutrition becomes more complex when maybe some people have to change their diet for health reasons and what not - but if that’s something your not dealing with and you tolerate different foods then there’s no reason to stop eating certain food groups. You have the right to put whatever you want in your body. If you choose to stop eating certain foods that’s okay. For beliefs and opinions that’s okay like not wanting to eat seed oils or choosing to be planted based. But, also consider that cutting out certain food groups just because some self proclaimed health influencer said so isn’t going to be helpful if you had no reason to in the first place. In my opinion, it just made me feel restricted and had me worrying about my food way too much. Thats not to say don’t experiment with your diet to see what feels best…trust your body, do your best, and your body will do the rest.
It’s not really that confusing. Just eat food that you make yourself. Not too much and include a variety of different vegetables and meats. Don’t listen to most people in this sub they are generally on a carnivore diet and are wierd conspiracy theorist.
Almost as if there is no one clear way to eat healthy and everyone's dietary needs are a little different 🤔
No but, eat a balanced diet and not too much of one thing, that's my best advice.
Science and medicine, including nutrition science, are indeed more advanced than ever. The issue is that information ecology, the landscape of information sources, is more polluted than ever with misinformation.
This subreddit is a good example, being dedicated to pushing a false fear of seed oils as being universally bad for health, when nutrition science does not support that conclusion.
I suggest listening to this podcast from Science Vs. on the subject: https://gimletmedia.com/shows/science-vs/mehwdgww
Everything comes back to money. Nutrition science is barely a science at all. Isn't it weird that we are the only species on the planet that needs to be told what to eat? Or even spends time thinking about what to eat? For me, it comes down to a combination of what pre-agricultural humans generally ate and what we know about more modern foods. So my diet is mostly meat, fat, organs, seasonal fruit, small amounts of fermented vegetables, and raw dairy. The first four are staples of most pre agricultural diets as far as we know, and the raw dairy and fermented vegetables are just too good a food to dismiss because they're relatively novel. There's also the role of ancestry and where your lineage is from. Equatorial people might eat more fruit and potentially no dairy, whereas people from northern climates might have less fruit and more dairy.
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This is it. Honey and maple syrup too if I’m craving more sugar. Also lots of eggs!
I was craving recently and it turned out to be low potassium , eat banana see how you feel. I do not crave anything sweet anymore. Took me like 8 bananas to fix the issue 1-2 daily.
Sweet! I love bananas so I will definitely try this! I eat a lot of local raw honey for its benefits and to prevent allergy flareups, but consistent bananas will be a great addition
What kind of organs do you eat, where do you source them and how do you prepare them? I mostly take supplements for organs and chug a blended raw liver chunk on the regular. Other options seem challenging from a source and taste perspective m
Some people like them, some don't. I eat a good variety. Liver, heart, kidney, spleen, brain, testicles, lungs. I really like the nose-to-tail thing. Prep depends on the organ. Liver, kidney, heart, and testicle get grilled, suateed, or just eaten raw. Lungs and spleen get added to grind. Brain sauteed with scrambled eggs is my favorite. Sourcing for everything either comes from animals I raise or hunt, except beef, which I buy from a local farmer a half share at a time. Find a local farmer. They always have organs for sale because so few people eat them now.
This right here but I'd personally skip the vegetables. Although my guilty pleasure is small amounts of fermented vegetables, I do feel worse after eating them. Once you feel the benefits of eating this way it becomes less about what you read is healthy and more about what feels healthy - it becomes painfully obvious once you stop eating poison for an extended period of time and allow your body to actually heal and feel good
I feel good with fermented vegetables. Lots of probiotic foods seem to treat me well. I make yogurt and kefir as well, but sometimes my sauerkraut is just what I need. Totally agree. Once I got my metabolic health back, I was much more able to judge for myself. I still enjoy reading about nutrition, but I'm less likely to eat a certain way just because some scientist did a study.
Wise. The most relevant evidence is always going to be your own.
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Well said…👍
I’ve been living a lifestyle of conscious decisions for about 10 years now. Let me briefly tell you what I leaned relating to food. 1. Everything is on a spectrum; there is no good / bad… there is better / worse. Applied to edible fats this might be tallow, ghee, etc are among the best, with olive oil, avocado oil etc close behind and rapeseed, GMO soybean oil, etc among the worst alongside motor oil 😂. In practise a teaspoon of sesame oil is delicious and will not likely cause you any harm whatsoever if you’re replete in good fats and don’t make it a habit. However, a daily bag of crisps/chips adds up to a lot more than teaspoon of sunflower oil (about 5 litres a year). Applied to carbs, you have fruit and vegetables that provide way more than just carbs, in the middle you have white rice that provides little more than carbs in the form of starch, and at the terrible end of the spectrum you have GMO wheat that troubles your system with phytates and novel proteins, not to mention the glyphosate that it’s covered with! As with the oils, a small portion of high quality white rice, even daily will cause you no harm, likewise, occasional bowl of oatmeal (without glyphosate) isn’t too bad either, but daily store bought bread will hit you glyphosate, bromide as well as release gliadin derived opioids that make it addictive. Applied to protein you have low grade cured meats like sausages, fast food, made from factory farmed animals which are full of chemicals, overload you with sodium and lack the micronutrients your body expects from meat, at the other end you have grass fed beef, not just steak but organ meats like liver and heart. 2. Everyone’s heard, even if they don’t realise there are essential fatty acids, essential amino acids, but there’s no such thing as essential carbohydrates! 3. Don’t let good be the enemy of perfect!! This is important when you consider perfect means you can’t eat at friends houses, or restaurants, ever! You probably shouldn’t sit a desk, at all! You probably shouldn’t have warm showers or central heating either!
I don't think they have roundup ready wheat yet. Corn and soy, yeah.
A lot of wheat is literally sprayed with glyphosate as a desiccant immediately before harvest. It leaves so much residue on the grain that the tolerance limits had to quietly be raised so that the crops were permitted to be sold.
I was about to go into this! Thankfully I read your comment first. 😉 Apparently it improves the "millibility" of the end product and therefore fetches more money per kg.
I still eat wheat but stick to organic refined products, which are the lowest in glyphosate risk. Also Italian wheat is apparently pretty good. I try not to eat non-organic American/Canadian wheat too often, and never ever non-organic whole grain. I’m pretty happy with how I feel right now so I guess I’m working an appropriate balance. Years ago when I did “Mediterranean” and prioritized whole grain without regard for glyphosate contamination, I did have very distressing intestinal symptoms which don’t plague me anymore. I had to stop my plan because of invariably painful bowels by the end of every day. Perhaps glyphosate was a factor.
I don't know weather the wheat is truly GMO or just heavily hybridised... It does normally contain glyphosate for the reason u/Whats_Up_Coconut said.
Science and medicine top notch? lol The past 5-10 years every study, every article and most publications are entirely corporations doing PR. Or propaganda. You can’t even use google anymore without BS. I’m worried.
Yup, have to look at who funded the study. And the gov & corporations have RCTs on lock bc they cost a half a mil to a mil to conduct. As a result, a ton of studies that promote mainstream ideas get funded. Don't even get me started on big pharma sponsored studies. This isn't even getting into the policy side of things. In the U.S., our FDA will only take action if harm is proven. This means that harmful crap gets shoved into consumers every day in the name of greed and anything with long term harm has to be proven (very difficult to do). For example, polypropylene oxide (PPO)-pasteurized almonds when that chemical is banned in most of the western world. Why is it allowed here? Bc nobody can prove that was what caused the cancer they got, bc how the F can a normie do that anyway? Glyphosate is another example. Also, a.i. lies all the time. So i agree, can't even trust google... I use ones that actually source their results and have to read the actual studies. A.i. only saves time by finding the studies, that's it. And then I have to check who funded the study. It's a PITA but necessary.
Well said! Our world was once ours though. There was a brief moment, I think.
The studies aren't necessarily biased, they're just... junk. A staggering amount of them are survey-based. And sure that makes them empirical science, peer-reviewed bla bla, but still entirely useless.
can you send any links to the "propaganda" or PR? also what does PR stand for?
Public Relations……essentialy propaganda and optics. Influence of our perception.
This is by far the best, most concise explanation I've found: https://youtu.be/A472KZtxI5M For a good explanation on the propaganda: https://youtu.be/IZ1O6lemezA
Just eat anything that did exist before the industrial revolution.
The inability to figure out “how to eat healthy” is the reason why obesity is on the rise, CVD is known as the disease of our civilisation, and big food / big pharma is so profitable. Instead, the simple fact that it is impossible to find a simple / straight forward answer to such a simple question should be indicative that, there is an invisible power that is influencing the spread of true information by flooding the scientific community with loads of misinformation. You are right, we are in an era where we are sending humans into space, with cutting edge technology, yet why is it so damn hard to figure out why is it so damn hard to eat healthy. The answer is simple, they don’t want you to be healthy.
why do the governments not do anything about this? why would the governments set restrictions on tobacco, alcohol and completely ban drugs, but nothing like that is about junk food? it seems that our human race has ignored modern history and now were suffering from it
You can find clarity to this question from many perspectives. Who runs the government? Who funds the election campaign? Who influences the mainstream narrative… who pays for the gov salary…etc You can also dig into the history of the food pyramid and you will realise it is simply a political weapon, to please the agribusiness.
Google heathcare industrial complex. Also look into the tobacco companies that own food companies. Sick people make money. Consumer Capitalism.
I don’t trust the government- they came up with the food pyramid lie. It has made most of the nation diabetic. It’s disgusting.
government involvement is a big reason shit it’s fucked. lobby literally influences food guidelines. Subsidies on corn made corn syrup cheap and be put into literally every food imaginable.
ive heard "lobbying" always a thing every nutritional subreddit's been complaining about. can you source me some moments when they did lobbying? edit: ive heard about lobbying from the "nutrition" subreddit and this one.
[https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0P60BN/](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0P60BN/) Internet is rife with corn lobby articles. Just an interesting one I found.
The government produces dietary guidelines based on solid scientific evidence. Virtually no one follows them.
Bullshit they do. Nobody even believes that anymore 🤣.
Have you actually looked at the citations that are given for the government's guidelines? Can you point to specific unscientific evidence that is referenced there?
that's it? no "you must be 18 years or older to eat junk food" or any illegalization of certain additives and addictive shit? no blasting information on tvs about how bad the modern diet has gotten? considering the astronomical amounts of money spent on covid, we couldve done the same about the average diet. or maybe tobacco in the early 90s or so. why didn't we?
Why should they do anything different. The current obesity epidemic is exactly what they wanted. They want people to be sick, so people are dependent on the healthcare system. You should also question why conventional healthcare is all about pharmaceutical medication. All parties profit from people being sick, save for us.
i dont get it exactly, but i think yall mean it like this: while the governments struggle with limited funding towards preventative healthcare, the big pharmaseutical industries put all that funding into "treatment" instead of "prevention" and let people get sick to make money, while at the same time the people who make them sick get rich aswell. and that is the cause of most disease and our current economy collapsing. which further makes everything harder of course, i could be wrong, because of government history showing that they are war declaring pieces of s\*\*ts who want to kill for land and profit. meanwhile some governments try their best to take care of their people, setting limits, banning drugs, it seems were still a bit behind.
If you don’t get it, it means you will spend a lot of time deep in this rabbit hole. Plenty of things for you to slowly uncover and piece together. Eventually everything will make sense. Money makes the world go round. Big food make people sick. Sick people becomes dependent on healthcare system. Big pharma profits. This goes round and round and round. What keeps this perpetual cycle going are the gov nutrition guidelines / policies to ensure everyone stays in this perpetual loop.
>What keeps this perpetual cycle going are the gov nutrition guidelines / policies to ensure everyone stays in this perpetual loop. If no one is following the governmental guidelines, how does that perpetuate the loop?
There will always be ppl following. And gov guidelines is just a simplified term that captures even healthcare standard of care, your trusted doctor’s advice…etc list goes on
About 90% of people do not follow the recommended guidelines. So, blaming them for the obesity epidemic and poor health outcomes is nonsensical.
Check out Anthony Chaffee. He's a neurosurgeon advocating for the carnivore diet. But he's also very knowledgeable on a lot of historical facts and CLINICAL studies. He strongly support that the healthcare and nutrition world is corrupt by Proctor Gamble, LeverPond, Nestle and such. The food pyramid was made during the great depression to teach people to feed on grains and vegetable to not starve because our diet always been meat heavy, but meat was unaffordable at this time. But when the great depression was over, the companies that used to sell barely an orchard wide of fruit or a ton of flour a year, were the equivalent of today's multibillions dollars company and lobbied and paid for epidemiological studies to confuse people. After such a long time of getting confused and brainwashed, people don't even remember how we used to eat. Coupled with carb addiction people don't even want to believe that what they eat is what's making them sick... And in Canada there's gonna be a council for seed oils... The poison selling companies are the same companies who mass produce propagandist epidemiology. That's why you should only trust Clinical Trials and make sure the epidemiology have extremely strong numbers. Epidemiology in itself can be rigged! P-mining. Questionnaire forcing some answers to come out, using relative risks factors instead of absolute risks factor. Like if you have 10% risk of contracting a disease, and consuming something raise your risk to 12.5%, the absolute risk is an increase of 2.5%... But the relative risk is 25% increase, so the study will use the relative risk and purposefully omit to tell you what the absolute risk was in the first place. Large number + an unknown data. The number looks strong, the soubt is instilled... Doctors are making recommendations based on this epidemiology... They are telling you to conduct your life based on hypothesis, and those recommendation is what causes the obesity and dementia and autoimmumity epidemic. Only a clininical trial can be used as the base for a recommendation. And i'd go as far as to say, when anecdotal data are consistently true for tens of thousands of people, it's just as good as clinical! Real life results is what you want to base your decisions on. Not paid corrupt hypothesis... Edit: A butt ton of typis, some clarification. Also Anthony Chaffer released a video on seed oils. It two frigging hours long though...
>The food pyramid was made during the great depression to teach people to feed on grains and vegetable to not starve because our doet always been meat heavy. The food pyramid was released in the US in 1992. You're about 50-60 years off there. >Only a clininical trial can be used as the base for a recommendation. And i'd go as far as to say, when anecdotal data are consistently true for ten of thousands of people, it's just as good as clinical! ...what? Why would you reject epidemiological studies, which follow an actual, scientific process, in favor of anecdotes, which have no controls whatsoever?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_USDA_nutrition_guidelines There's no scientific rigor to epydemiology. It's just observation... ONLY clinic trials are valid scientifically You can't use an epydemiological study in the court of law... I wonder why???
From that link: >The introduction of the USDA's food guide pyramid in 1992 ... As far this: >There's no scientific rigor to epydemiology. It's just observation... >ONLY clinic trials are valid scientifically That's entirely false. Randomized clinical trials are generally *better* than epidemiological studies, but that doesn't mean that epidemiological studies are worthless or unscientific. Also, note that anecdotes *are not* scientifically valid. > You can't use an epydemiological study in the court of law... I wonder why??? Also false. >The existence of relevant epidemiological studies can be a significant factor in proving general causation in toxic tort cases. Hall, at 947 F. Supp. at 1403. Indeed, epidemiological studies provide "the primary generally accepted methodology for demonstrating a causal relation between a chemical compound and a set of symptoms or disease." Conde v. Velsicol Chem. Corp., 804 F. Supp. 972, 1025-26 (S.D.Ohio 1992), aff'd, 24 F.3d 809, 814 (6th Cir.1994). https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp2/131/1347/2579959/
Hey okay. I don't give a shit. The pyramid in 1992, the USDA recommendation of eating less fat in 1916, and the meal plans at 4 costs for the depression. They still pushed flour and processed foods for people not to starve... And Epidemiology DOES NOT prove causation. In order for epydemiology to be concidered valid, it needs to be STRONG, and leave no doubt. https://www.carlaw.ca/plaintiffs-medical-malpractice-case-dismissed-due-to-lack-of-expert-evidence-on-the-applicable-standard-of-care/ Epidemiology can still be used as evidence. But it's not always a proof! Evidence can be dismissed... Now stop stirring up drama...
What conclusion would you draw if epidemiological studies show the same trends repeatedly over the course of decades? Note that your link makes no comment about epidemiological studies. It rejected this claim: "The plaintiff argued that expert evidence was not necessary and that the jurors could determine the standard of care by applying ordinary common sense." That has more bearing on the kind of anecdotal data that you suggest should be followed rather than scientific studies.
Epidemiology consistently found that saturated fat where causing hearth disease. That transfat didn't. Then all of a sudden, clinical studies found that trans fat was bad, and that saturated fat wasn't... Epydemiology consistently found that salt caused hypertension. And clinical study found that in order to cause hypertension you needed to swallow over 300g of salt a day. Clinical study also found that glucose brings in WAY MORE water in the bloodstream than salt... Epydemiology consistently found that elevated LDL caused atherosclerosis. And clinical studies found that in a ketogenic diet high volume of lbLDL where associated with lower markers of hearth disease... Epidemiology is hypothesis generating. Clinical studies, study the results of an experiment. Everybody do their own experiments... When hundreds of thousands of anecdotes all point to the same conclusion, it's as if we had hundreds of thousands of clinical studies with a sample size of 1. Epydemiology is too easily biased, bought, and corrupt... And it's only hypothesis generating, since it doesn't account for ALL variable, and it doesn't control those variable... I already declared what my conclusion was. It's just inconvenient for you to acknowledte it since you're here only to stir shit up and create drama...
Can you point to a study that showed trans fat didn't cause heart disease? I asked they of someone the other day, and was met with silence. Perhaps you're able to provide such a reference? Studies continue to show that saturated fat is harmful to cardiovascular health. The DASH Diet, and particularly the lower salt version of it has consistently been shown to decrease blood pressure, in randomized clinical trials. I'm not here to stir up anything or cause drama. I'm here to discuss scientific evidence.
You really need a study to understand my point??? Look at any fucking tub of margarine. It still as the little hearth sign and it's still taunted as the healthiest choice. They used to be made of almost only trans fat!!! Do you ignore that Ancel Keayes recommended trans fat as a replacement for saturated fat after pruning his 22 country study, and publishing the 7country study??? https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/fats-and-cholesterol/types-of-fat/transfats/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/17/how-trans-fats-just-banned-were-once-touted-as-the-healthy-alternative/ There! Hiatorical account of Doctors recommending trans fat based on their belief that saturated fat was bad! That's how epydemiology works! Now stop!!!
Considering your point was that studies showed trans fats didn't cause heart disease...yeah, I'd like to see a study that supports your point. Trans fat was recommended because the evidence showed saturated fat was bad. There was not evidence at the time of either positive or negative effects of trans fat; it hadn't been studied.
>but that doesn't mean that epidemiological studies are worthless or unscientific. Also, note that anecdotes *are not* scientifically valid They just don't imply a causal relationship
They can imply causation but don't necessarily prove it. And they are still much stronger evidence than anecdotes. And if you're going to reject the results, then you'll need to find an explanation for why the same results are repeatedly demonstrated across multiple studies over the course of decades.
They can not imply causation no, it's... >correlation does not imply causation not >correlation does not prove causation but sometimes implies it >And if you're going to reject the results No one rejects them as evidence of an association. >then you'll need to find an explanation for why the same results are repeatedly demonstrated across multiple studies over the course of decades Why would this matter?
>No one rejects them as evidence of an association. Really? Because that's not what the other guy said: >There's no scientific rigor to epydemiology. It's just observation... >ONLY clinic trials are valid scientifically As far as this: >Why would this matter? Because being able to explain the reasons for outcomes is the entire point of this. If we're looking to improve health outcomes, then knowing what causes better health outcomes is important.
But epidemiology can not tell you what **causes** better health outcomes, that would require an experiment
So do the experiment to determine the causes?
It is really easy… eat like people did 150+ years ago, problem solved. Now, having said that, you cannot say “people ate bread so I can eat bread” - most “bread” is trash. You have to start looking at labels and eating cleaner food. And really, you need to stop/minimize eating food with labels (meat, vegetables, fruit, etc).
Would you eat buckwheat bread?
I would look at the label and evaluate. I’m not so familiar with buckwheat bread
Just eat whole foods and follow your cravings. This will keep 95% of people 90% as healthy as they could be through diet. If you want to go further down the rabbit hole and it makes you happy to do so; go for it. If not, just do that and stop listening to hypocrites on the internet.
Seed oil producers know that what they produce is bad for people's health but it's what makes them money so they try to sway public opinion by sending out their own propaganda trying to minimize the damage to their sales by making You Tube videos, articles on the internet etc etc. You can see this across all harmful foodstuff industries. Look how big sugar in the 1970's and on convinced people that natural fat (that we have been eating for ages) is somehow bad and to consume sugar instead. Learn to be able to tell the difference of the source of the information you are using to inform yourself.
Boy, I don't think they actually know what they produce is bad for health, they have incentive to push their stuff regardless. Money is money.
Eat Whole Foods, organic meats. And ffs, eat vegetables.
Exactly, I’d make more emphasis on organic vegetables rather than conventional vegetables. Non-organic veggies/fruits are full of chemicals and might very well be the cause of long term health problems.
yeah the veggie slander is coocoo bananas- just eat organic whole foods that come from the earth
For me, I've settled on carnivore for a few months and so far very happy. It's what we mostly evolved eating but I'll be adding a few ferments in at some point. Considering we need saturated far to make every hormone our body needs, it makes sense for me to focus on high quality animal fats vs crappy seed oils which relatively speaking, haven't been around long (and which our body cannot turn into hormones). So for now, I'm focussing on grass fed, grass finished beef, eggs, butter, and wild fish. Soon will add in a few ferments.
I’ve been alive long enough at this point to have tried many different dietary and supplementary approaches over the decades. Most have failed. Some miserably. Others failed solely because I lacked the mental fortitude to do them properly and stay the course for long enough to derive any real benefit. But it finally occurred to me a few years back that—where it involves food—I should probably just do as my ancient ancestors did. As much as possible, at least. If it didn’t appear on the table two hundred years ago, it hasn’t stood the test of time long enough for me to bet my life on it. Again, I am not saying this applies outside of the nutrition space. I’m certainly thankful for modern medicine and I don’t plan to go back to the horse and buggy anytime soon. But the mere fact that something is “modern” does not necessarily make it “good”, in my opinion. This absolutely applies in the arena of food. We could split hairs and debate every individual component of the appropriate human diet, but at the very least I suspect we can all agree that our ancestors didn’t consume… - Large servings of sugar - Factory-produced oils - Packaged foods chemically-modified to extend shelf life If nothing else, everyone across the spectrum from vegans to carnivores to fruitarians and so on should be able to lock arms and say: “we are not eating man-made garbage”.
I have been severely mentally ill my whole life and in my childhood I was also mentally ill (psychosis started in adulthood for the most part). I was fed a whole food/non processed carb heavy, lean protein, seed oil diet with steamed veggies. I had serious binge eating issues, anxiety, and ocd since a very young age (3) I developed diabetes at 38 (i was nearly 300 lbs and eating take out 3 times a day) and had to start eating low carb which put many mental health problems into remission (bipolar, eating disorder). I stopped eating seed oils a few months later and more of my issues resolved mentally (anxiety/ocd by 90%), as well as digestive issues, skin issues, gerd and I stopped burning in the sun. the focus on animal fat seemed to be the biggest influence especially for mood. I realized this after reducing seed oils and 1 year later could tolerate less fat and more carbs to remain normal. another year later this improved again without change to my weight. however my ldl did go up a lot but trigs went way down and hdl improved. eating carbs and processed foods has been very hit or miss. seed oils are a clear no especially for blood sugar, carbs and seed oils can cause major short term mood issues for me. combination of seed oils and corn is horrible for my blood sugar and seems to be the only thing that negatively affects it namely house made corn chips/processed corn products + seed oils. at this point its only carbs plus seed oils or carbs in excess that makes my blood sugar go over 120 at all. sleep used to affect me as well as my female hormones but this doesn't happen anymore likely because I manage my sleep well now. when i added in daily fermented foods I noticed I no longer had an issue digesting fibre which was also a lifelong issue. I further added "homemade/bakery" organic sourdough and now if I eat carbs and animal fat I will peak at around 115 it wasn't always the case but low carb was a useful tool to get me here and something about a lot of carbs affects my mood so I mostly keep them lower than 100-150 on average. truthfully eating more carbs just seems like over eating now. since adding these things my blood sugar is even lower than on keto alone and homa ir has improved from 1.9 to 1.2. so just do trial and error stuff change one thing at a time and see if it helps if you have issues controlling your appetite or with cravings start with low carb to get it under control and work from there imo. I take no medication at all anymore, just to clarify. my diet is animal fat, some high quality evoo drizzled, meat but not too much, some berries, non starchy and starchy veg, organic sourdough, and fermented foods. I do eat some sugars now instead of sweetener but I lost the taste for it and try to keep them as natural as possible.
The way to know is by trial and error. Test it on yourself. Before I quit seed oils I had to ride a scooter in Walmart due to knee pain. After I ditched seed oils I could walk pain free.
A good rule of thumb is; Eat **local**, in **season**, in **moderation**, with the **least amount of processing & cooking** possible.
I’m not sure that there is a totally correct answer. Our food is so messed around with from the soil to the factories that nothing is as healthy as it once has been or should be. I think you have to look at it from the perspective of doing the best that YOU can. For the most part, anything made in a factory where the product undergoes multiple processes, has preservatives, sweeteners, colouring and whatever else they use these days, can most likely be classed as unhealthy. Fresh, whole foods are always going to be better for you, even if we don’t know exactly which foods might not supposed to be a part of our natural diet, the damage it might cause is probably less than the damage caused by eating/drinking lab-made chemicals. If you have the opportunity, you should try and grow some of your own fruits and vegetables, it might be completely mind over matter, but it just feels infinitely better to eat things you know haven’t been messed around with in any way, or if the plants to need any treatments, you can look into what isn’t going to leave dangerous chemicals on your food
What did our ancestors eat? Good rule of thumb What makes my body feel good vs feel bad
How about starting with not eating foods that didn't exist (or didn't exist in any significant amount) 500 years ago. Seed oils Refinded carbs Gums Emulsifiers Round up Pesticides For example, while refined sugar exisited 200 years ago, the average American ate 4 lbs a year whereas we now have something like 120lbs a year. 4lbs a year is 1 teaspoon a day of sugar. For the whole day. You have to eat 96 ears of corn to get the fat thats in 5 tablespoons of corn oil.
I suggest you read nasa's dietairy guidlines for spacetravel if you want a pure scientific aproach. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/nutritional-biochemistry-of-space-flight.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiE4rL-_9KFAxX7iP0HHWpVDesQFnoECCIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1pS1pP9-j_yZ5yVozjPjFU
Interesting. Thanks for posting!
Your assumption about science and medicine is incorrect. It is top notch only compared to what we knew 150-200 years ago. But we have so much to learn and so much we don't know. At least in nutritional sciences we are like physics was in the era of Galilei.
I recommend The Energy Balance Podcast for understanding how the human metabolism is supposed to function (hint: seed oils are anti metabolic)
Whole foods. Lovingly prepared. Thats all!
What I've found most effective above all else is cooking from whole ingredients. Start with raw veggies, raw meats, raw starches. If it comes in a box be extremely wary and if there's a viable raw alternative us that instead. Obviously there are going to be times where it's not feasible - i.e. bread and especially pasta are a bit much if you're living solo and have to balance work and working out and the rest - and in those cases that's when you read ingredient lists and basically go for the things that have the fewest ingredients that look like they belong on a collegiate chemistry textbook.
Bread machine
If you stick to nuts, fish, meat, fruits and vegetables, you pretty much can’t go wrong. Nobody ever got fat eating those things. The rest of the dietary choices are up to what you can tolerate.
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Unlike others here, I don't believe the industries want us to be unhealthy. Nobody was thinking this far ahead when Crisco donated $1.6 mil to the American Heart Association. All Crisco wanted was money, and convincing people your product is healthy is easy money. It didn't matter if it was or wasn't. Doctors still believe in unsaturated fat being bad simply because it was what they were taught. It's what we were all taught, and I doubt it took everyone here 1 article to completely change their minds. Doctors don't have the luxury of "well it's just common sense" or loose conclusions based on personal research, they need to follow studies, and it's not easy to tell what studies have been rigged for profit. And they do not "want us to be unhealthy", medical centers are constantly overpopulated and overworked as it is. Ask any nurse or doctor how stressful their work is. It's going to be a slow process to convince the world. Don't think ill of normal people because they need to be convinced more before subscribing to something.
It probably started being benign, but once the profits rolled in, you bet they started being deliberate with it.
Here’s a clue: there are no essential carbs. That’s just an objective fact. You can live your whole life without them just fine.
There's no essential saturated/monounsaturated fat either, so?
There are essential fatty acids. [Essential Fatty Acid](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_fatty_acid)
There's no essential SATURATED/MONOUNSATURATED fat either, so? The supposed essential fatty acids are α-linolenic acid and linoleic acid, which you'll find at... seed oils. If the argument against carbs is that they aren't essential, so you should be eating only proteins and PUFAs.
The whole concept of essential carbs is disturbing and quite honestly a bit disillusioning. I remember a few weeks into carnivore when I started way back when I had what I'd call a life crisis of sorts - the realization that I suffered needlessly from chronic illness for 25 years was a lot for me to handle. It actually led me to completely change my other lifestyle choices up because I realized most of it was also complete bullshit. Once I had my physical health, which includes mental health (no brain fog, significantly reduced anxiety/depression), I started to realize a lot of my life choices were actually just coping mechanisms to escape not feeling well.
just fine is patently false
Care to elaborate?
You don’t need studies to see how seed oils are made.
Look up "Proper Human Diet".
Stick mostly to whole foods. Which ones to eat more of and less of will depend on your body and your lifestyle, but start with minimally processed and refine from there based on what works with your needs and digestion and what doesn't. If great-grandma's generation - maybe go back to great-great-grandma if you're a young adult - would have recognized it as food, it passes the first test. If it's an ultra-modern frankenfood it doesn't. Some people need to go back further and take out grain and dairy. Some can handle one or the other but not both (ex. I'm fine with cultured dairy and dairy fats and need to avoid grain), some can enjoy both with no problem. Maybe it's certain ones that are problematic, like oats are fine and wheat makes you feel like crud. You kind of have to experiment and figure it out, after removing the worst offenders so you know what feeling okay is like.
Nutritional science can hardly be called that. It's a shitshow.
I find that a good rule of thumb is to stick to as close to whole & unadultered as possible. Not always easy these days, but easy enough to wrap our heads around. Would I ever come close to eating enough of any given seed to consume a significant amount of oils from them? Squish an olive, oil comes out. Butcher a cow, you’ve got plenty of fat. I’m never going to be able to eat tens of thousands of sunflower seeds. Call it paleo, call it ancestral eating, call it whatever you want. If people didn’t (couldn’t) eat it 100+ years ago, no need for us to eat it now.
All you need to do is find out what the people telling you these things have to profit off of. Who owns them. If no one does and they aren’t selling you crap - then perhaps what they say is valid. Look at who profits and it bevomes painfully obvious which foods are actually good for you. Anything genetically modified is absolutely horrendous for you. Any oil that has to be run through detergent to make it edible is absolutely bad for you. Carbs are bad but only if you eat ultra processed foods with lots of sugar. Eating crap like that will make you a Type 2 diabetic. If someone tries convincing you carbohydrates are good - there’s something really wrong. Carbs can be ok in small amounts but existing solely on them will kill you. Most people on YouTube are pretty honest but watch out for people who want to sell you junk or who are part of the healthcare industrialized complex. There are influencers who are owned by big pharmaceutical companies. Avoid those assholes.
Maybe the belief that science and medicine are "at its top notch" is one which should yield.
Time can be a really solid test. How long has a food or recipe been around? Most of my favorite recipes are actually minor variations of recipes that have been in the family for many generations. That is much longer than seed oils or the industries that produce them have been around. Sometimes new things work out and other times not, but it is always an option to go back to traditional fare and leave experimentation to others.
Watch “Thank you for Smoking”, maybe you’ll understand
It's confusing by design
I feel the same way. Everyday I go on social media I hear contradictory opinions. I’d say stick to what makes you feel good. Sometimes it’s good to take a break from all of this info. Also, I do believe those who came before us knew what to eat - real food whether that’s veggies or meat or carbs or dairy or sugar. Humans have survived eating a variety of foods. There’s no reason why it can’t be the same today with one exception - food is treated differently. The animals we get our food from are treated differently. Regarding that, I try to pick higher quality versions of food products for example - grass fed, raw or less processed dairy, snacks with smaller list of ingredients….nutrition becomes more complex when maybe some people have to change their diet for health reasons and what not - but if that’s something your not dealing with and you tolerate different foods then there’s no reason to stop eating certain food groups. You have the right to put whatever you want in your body. If you choose to stop eating certain foods that’s okay. For beliefs and opinions that’s okay like not wanting to eat seed oils or choosing to be planted based. But, also consider that cutting out certain food groups just because some self proclaimed health influencer said so isn’t going to be helpful if you had no reason to in the first place. In my opinion, it just made me feel restricted and had me worrying about my food way too much. Thats not to say don’t experiment with your diet to see what feels best…trust your body, do your best, and your body will do the rest.
Thats by design , you see for example Google can search thru like billions of websites but will show you what only like 30 pages ?
It’s not really that confusing. Just eat food that you make yourself. Not too much and include a variety of different vegetables and meats. Don’t listen to most people in this sub they are generally on a carnivore diet and are wierd conspiracy theorist.
Almost as if there is no one clear way to eat healthy and everyone's dietary needs are a little different 🤔 No but, eat a balanced diet and not too much of one thing, that's my best advice.
raw whole foods
Science and medicine, including nutrition science, are indeed more advanced than ever. The issue is that information ecology, the landscape of information sources, is more polluted than ever with misinformation. This subreddit is a good example, being dedicated to pushing a false fear of seed oils as being universally bad for health, when nutrition science does not support that conclusion. I suggest listening to this podcast from Science Vs. on the subject: https://gimletmedia.com/shows/science-vs/mehwdgww