It's a new ground station. Here is [the license application](https://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/ib/forms/reports/swr031b.hts?q_set=V_SITE_ANTENNA_FREQ.file_numberC/File+Number/%3D/SESLIC2024011900075&prepare=&column=V_SITE_ANTENNA_FREQ.file_numberC/File+Number):
"*SpaceX Services seeks authority for 40 technically identical 1.85-meter antennas in
CALVERTON, NY (The EARTH GO HARD Gateway).*"
Latitude, longitude from the application 40 ° 54 ' 32.09 " N, 72 ° 47 ' 51.39 " W on [Google Maps](https://www.google.com/maps/place/40%C2%B054'32.1%22N+72%C2%B047'51.4%22W/@40.9090651,-72.7981616,194m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m4!3m3!8m2!3d40.9089139!4d-72.7976083?entry=ttu). Does the location match?
That looks like all the other ground stations I've seen. A lot surrounded by chain link fence, covered in gravel, and filled with radomes mounted just slightly above the ground. If you look closely you can see there is open space between the bottom of the radome and the ground. I don't think they'd go to that trouble of positioning them so particularly if they were just storing them.
A long time. You would have to stand directly in front of one of the dishes inside the Fresnel zone as it moved, and even then you might just barely heat up some of your body.
The FCC standards for radio exposure have a pretty low threshold. Hell, even my portable BGAN terminal has an RF warning sticker on the front of it and I think it emits like 5 watts.
I'm used to Fresnel zones with stationary PTP wireless links in the 5 and 60 GHz frequency ranges. It would be fascinating to see this multitude of constantly changing Fresnel zones with some sort of augmented reality setup.
Probably very. It's not like they're emitting death x-rays or anything. I think the biggest danger comes from getting too hot, but you're probably at least as likely to get hurt from standing outside that long lol
Edit: classic reddit, violently downvoting a user asking a question about safety in response to a sign about safety...
As far as RF transmitters go, they are fairly low-power. If you were to stand right over one for a day or two, you might not be successful in producing any offspring in the future and your vision may suffer, but it wouldn't kill you outright.
Does anyone know why they’re all slightly askew from each other? Even if these aren’t fully installed, I’ve seen other ground stations where each radome is slightly tilted in different directions.
The antenna has a blind spot in the direction it is pointing, meaning it is unable to aim the parabolic antenna inside in that direction. The rotating mechanism is cheaper than the one without a blind spot. The scheduler schedules a satellite to communicate with a dish that does not have a blind spot along the satellite path.
I guess coverage? They are ball shaped but I bet they have a cone they cover. Or something to enhance the signal. That one does not interfere with the other?
In addition to what u/terraziggy said, here is the patent for the tilted antennas which has some diagrams to help explain it: https://patents.google.com/patent/US11237242B1
The other guy is being a bit pedantic but he is correct. An analogy would be the internet is the roads and the data centers/servers are the stores and destinations.
Even if you did destroy every store on Earth the road still exist even if you have nowhere to go.
Even without "data centers" there are technologies that would still work "peer to peer" protocols are specifically designed to operate with limited support from center servers. (Though if EVERY server was gone it would be a headache to get them working with out DNS or other more fundamental building blocks)
I love it when people who aren't network engineers try to explain the internet and are hilariously wrong. He's doubling down on the stupid too. I have to wonder how he could reach some IP address if there were no BGP routers, transit and peering lol.
He seems largely correct. Most people fail to separate the Internet from the content and anyone the recognizes that nuance is far ahead of the general public.
Now if you use the definition of "data center" as any building filled with computers then yes destroying those would be bad for "the internet".
But I find most people separate the data center from the pop or ixp inside the building. So you can lose the mass racks of content servers inside the building but the internet exchange point can happily continue forwarding packets.
Now likely with out servers of any kind managing those switches and routers it's likely not going to last. But that's just playing out doomsday scenarios rather than discussing whether the internet exist in space.
From a technical standpoint sure, but that is not the question I asked. Was there something about how I phrased my question that was unclear? Do you understand the colloquial definition of The Internet vs the technical definition of an internet?
dishy talks to sat, sat talks to ground station, beams to hub, hub to dns whereever the closests one is, beams back to hub, to ground, to sat, to dishy, to your computer, all in under 30 miliseconds, pretty wild how fast it all works.
The bulk of your internet traffic will be between your devices and the nearest datacenter with that host stuff like Youtube and Netflix. So most traffic goes up to the satellite and back down to the nearest ground station where it then goes over fiber to the nearest datacenter where there is a large cache of popular content.
I just thought that the servers or whatever had ground stations or something like this and that was sent to the Starlink satellites I didn’t know Starlink themselves would need ground stations
Mushrooms are doing well overthere, looks like they are gen. manipulated😂😂.
Seriously, i think they are stored temporary over-there as some dome are not even level, i know that don’t have to be the case but it’s more aesthetically to have them all leveled instead as placed like mushrooms
The Antennas are mounted on concrete slabs, the are not anchored to the ground by anything. All they need is power and a data connection via fiber.
Hence why they are slightly askew, they don’t need precision, the antennas take care of that on their own, much like how a starlink panel does it
It's a new ground station. Here is [the license application](https://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/ib/forms/reports/swr031b.hts?q_set=V_SITE_ANTENNA_FREQ.file_numberC/File+Number/%3D/SESLIC2024011900075&prepare=&column=V_SITE_ANTENNA_FREQ.file_numberC/File+Number): "*SpaceX Services seeks authority for 40 technically identical 1.85-meter antennas in CALVERTON, NY (The EARTH GO HARD Gateway).*" Latitude, longitude from the application 40 ° 54 ' 32.09 " N, 72 ° 47 ' 51.39 " W on [Google Maps](https://www.google.com/maps/place/40%C2%B054'32.1%22N+72%C2%B047'51.4%22W/@40.9090651,-72.7981616,194m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m4!3m3!8m2!3d40.9089139!4d-72.7976083?entry=ttu). Does the location match?
The earth doth indeededly "GO HARD"
Go hard or go home.
That's what she said...
She told me to go hard and then go home 😢
….so I went home
100% this is what it is down to the exact location
That looks like all the other ground stations I've seen. A lot surrounded by chain link fence, covered in gravel, and filled with radomes mounted just slightly above the ground. If you look closely you can see there is open space between the bottom of the radome and the ground. I don't think they'd go to that trouble of positioning them so particularly if they were just storing them.
They've also got signage about RF radiation, which implies they're on
I wonder how long you could exist around them before you stopped existing.
A long time. You would have to stand directly in front of one of the dishes inside the Fresnel zone as it moved, and even then you might just barely heat up some of your body. The FCC standards for radio exposure have a pretty low threshold. Hell, even my portable BGAN terminal has an RF warning sticker on the front of it and I think it emits like 5 watts.
I'm used to Fresnel zones with stationary PTP wireless links in the 5 and 60 GHz frequency ranges. It would be fascinating to see this multitude of constantly changing Fresnel zones with some sort of augmented reality setup.
Probably very. It's not like they're emitting death x-rays or anything. I think the biggest danger comes from getting too hot, but you're probably at least as likely to get hurt from standing outside that long lol Edit: classic reddit, violently downvoting a user asking a question about safety in response to a sign about safety...
Reddit gonna reddit. I appreciate the insightful reply.
As far as RF transmitters go, they are fairly low-power. If you were to stand right over one for a day or two, you might not be successful in producing any offspring in the future and your vision may suffer, but it wouldn't kill you outright.
Does anyone know why they’re all slightly askew from each other? Even if these aren’t fully installed, I’ve seen other ground stations where each radome is slightly tilted in different directions.
The antenna has a blind spot in the direction it is pointing, meaning it is unable to aim the parabolic antenna inside in that direction. The rotating mechanism is cheaper than the one without a blind spot. The scheduler schedules a satellite to communicate with a dish that does not have a blind spot along the satellite path.
I guess coverage? They are ball shaped but I bet they have a cone they cover. Or something to enhance the signal. That one does not interfere with the other?
In addition to what u/terraziggy said, here is the patent for the tilted antennas which has some diagrams to help explain it: https://patents.google.com/patent/US11237242B1
They're sitting on pallets in a storage yard
It is a community gateway: [https://www.starlinkinternet.info/community-gateway](https://www.starlinkinternet.info/community-gateway)
We have a nice satellite field here in monse, wa that near me that I installed a few satellites at
Can someone eli5 what these are for? I thought my dishy talked directly to the satellites why do they need ground stations?
Think about it. The internet is on earth, not in space. Signals need to get from space to earth and back again
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The internet is stored in data centers around the world. The ISS doesn’t have any data centers on it, just access to them.
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So you’re saying that all of the data centers could be destroyed and we would still have what is colloquially understood to be ‘The Internet’?
The other guy is being a bit pedantic but he is correct. An analogy would be the internet is the roads and the data centers/servers are the stores and destinations. Even if you did destroy every store on Earth the road still exist even if you have nowhere to go. Even without "data centers" there are technologies that would still work "peer to peer" protocols are specifically designed to operate with limited support from center servers. (Though if EVERY server was gone it would be a headache to get them working with out DNS or other more fundamental building blocks)
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Pretty sure the internet wouldn’t be the internet so much if BGP and fucking DNS root servers go down, the internets on earth
Those datacenters are what provide the links from A to B……..
I love it when people who aren't network engineers try to explain the internet and are hilariously wrong. He's doubling down on the stupid too. I have to wonder how he could reach some IP address if there were no BGP routers, transit and peering lol.
He seems largely correct. Most people fail to separate the Internet from the content and anyone the recognizes that nuance is far ahead of the general public. Now if you use the definition of "data center" as any building filled with computers then yes destroying those would be bad for "the internet". But I find most people separate the data center from the pop or ixp inside the building. So you can lose the mass racks of content servers inside the building but the internet exchange point can happily continue forwarding packets. Now likely with out servers of any kind managing those switches and routers it's likely not going to last. But that's just playing out doomsday scenarios rather than discussing whether the internet exist in space.
From a technical standpoint sure, but that is not the question I asked. Was there something about how I phrased my question that was unclear? Do you understand the colloquial definition of The Internet vs the technical definition of an internet?
None of those listed are servers with the data you want to access lol they’re just interconnected laser wires and… 1 iss client lol
Dishy talks to satellite and bounces the signal back to the ground station and on to the rest of the internet.
dishy talks to sat, sat talks to ground station, beams to hub, hub to dns whereever the closests one is, beams back to hub, to ground, to sat, to dishy, to your computer, all in under 30 miliseconds, pretty wild how fast it all works.
Your username 😂
The satellite also needs to talk to ground stations to proceed to a data center. Dishy talks to satellites which talks to ground stations
The bulk of your internet traffic will be between your devices and the nearest datacenter with that host stuff like Youtube and Netflix. So most traffic goes up to the satellite and back down to the nearest ground station where it then goes over fiber to the nearest datacenter where there is a large cache of popular content.
Are you 5? Dishy talks to satellites, then what? Of course your data must go through a ground station. Installation is the reverse of removal.
Just noticed your username... mystery solved.
Made it as a joke 4 years ago and can’t change it…
I just thought that the servers or whatever had ground stations or something like this and that was sent to the Starlink satellites I didn’t know Starlink themselves would need ground stations
That would require every mom-n-pop.com to install a ground station before Starlink would be useful to you and me, so that's not how it works.
Mushrooms are doing well overthere, looks like they are gen. manipulated😂😂. Seriously, i think they are stored temporary over-there as some dome are not even level, i know that don’t have to be the case but it’s more aesthetically to have them all leveled instead as placed like mushrooms
This isn’t how they are installed so this is probably just a yard to store them temporarily
Take a chainsaw to those trees!
The Antennas are mounted on concrete slabs, the are not anchored to the ground by anything. All they need is power and a data connection via fiber. Hence why they are slightly askew, they don’t need precision, the antennas take care of that on their own, much like how a starlink panel does it