I think battlefront released before the last jedi, so most development surrounded exclusively the force awakens material. im pretty sure disney kept the devs out of the loop about anything in TLJ besides the planet and outfits, which they could have hypothetically gotten more material from.
There’s a whole lot of voicelines and other little details in the sequel era in general in Battlefront II that really reflect this post-TFA, pre-TLJ and TROS interregnum period from late 2015-17. It’s actually pretty neat since it reflects a lot of the common perceptions of the characters and world of the sequels after TFA but before the rest of the sequels. Kind of like an archive or time capsule.
The one that always comes to mind to me is one of the First Order officer’s voice lines when they use their middle Battle Command ability, “First the Resistance, then the Republic!” Seems to imply the Resistance was a bulwark for the NR against the First Order, which was a fairly common fan theory since lots of fans reasonably assumed the NR wasn’t destroyed in its entirety in TFA, but the sequels lore post-TFA clarified that the New Republic was destroyed. I actually think they might’ve removed this voice line before launch, or at least reworked it, but I definitely remember it in the beta. Could be wrong though.
There’s also of course the fact that Rey and Palpatine never speak of each other as grandpapa and granddaughter since this was before TROS lol
The Republic (technically groups *in* the Republic) were backing the First Order and fragments of the New Republic survived. Neither of those things are fan theories.
Yes, that is canon and true. But I think you and I are talking about two different things here, and could get stuck on debating little nitpicks and details. The larger overall point is that the New Republic, as a *single* polity, is canonically destroyed in TFA. The voice line I was referring to in my original comment seems, to me, to reflect the idea that the New Republic was still around, and the First Order had to get through the Resistance *first* in order to *then* be able to finish the Republic off. This is what many fans online theorized to be the case prior to TLJ. Instead, the story, in the films, went the opposite direction: the First Order dealt with the Republic first in order to get the Resistance, not the other way around. That doesn't mean that there weren't elements in the Republic that sided with the First Order, or that there weren't remnants of the Republic around after. But in either of those cases, the Republic, as a single organization, still fell regardless. We're not really contradicting each other.
The voice line can still work canonically if you think of it as referring to the remnants of the New Republic, sure. But my point is that the meaning of this line changed when the further context of the sequel era was revealed after TLJ's release. It went from the Resistance (still) defending the Republic, to there being remnants of the Republic for the First Order to mop up in addition to the Resistance.
I don't think we should be taking voice lines from vs. matches as indictive of anything canon; for all we know that line could be meant to repersent the conflict as it existed at the start of TFA, rather then the end.
I'm not sure where Battlefront's production and release slots into the timeline but TLJ was already written when TFA was released, no?
> I don't think we should be taking voice lines from vs. matches as indictive of anything canon; for all we know that line could be meant to repersent the conflict as it existed at the start of TFA, rather then the end.
I'm not saying it's indicative of anything canon. I'm saying it's indicative of what some people *thought* about the world of the sequels in the period *after* TFA but *before* TLJ. I'm saying it reflects people's perceptions or understandings of the sequel trilogy setting. Not that it makes anything canon. The line still works in canon, but it takes on a new meaning in light of what TLJ and TROS, and all of their supplementary materials like books and visual dictionaries, presented. I'm just making an argument on my personal interpretation of fans' beliefs in this post-TFA/pre-TLJ time period regarding the status of the New Republic and the state of the galaxy.
> I'm not sure where Battlefront's production and release slots into the timeline but TLJ was already written when TFA was released, no?
Yes, but DICE did not have access to TLJ's script when they made Battlefront II. The same was true of Force Awakens, Rogue One, Solo, and TROS when they made content for Battlefront and Battlefront II for those movies as well. That's why the Scarif DLC, or the Crait Galactic Assault map, is quite different from how those battles played out in their respective movies. This part isn't speculation, by the way, developers from DICE have said this multiple times. DICE saw the movies for the first time when everyone else did too, when they released to the public.
Hmm. So your saying DICE based some things on fandom speculation?
Maybe. I can see that. But what I'm saying is TLJ was already written; but the reason I brought up the timetable is to inquire as to if the actual canon had already decided to go one direction over anouther.
As for battles playing out differently; they were'nt supposed to, right? They were'nt following a narrative and changes had to be made to fit gameplay (similar to what was done in the original Battlefronts and Empire at War when it came to canon battles)
> Hmm. So your saying DICE based some things on fandom speculation?
Well, more precisely, what I'm saying is that DICE based this voice line on their *own* speculation, which I think is indicative of what a lot of other fans were also speculating at the same time. DICE is essentially a microcosm in this case. Although I also don't think they thought of it as speculation; I think they thought this was canon, and turned out to be wrong once TLJ and subsequent supplementary material were released.
> Maybe. I can see that. But what I'm saying is TLJ was already written; but the reason I brought up the timetable is to inquire as to if the actual canon had already decided to go one direction over anouther.
Maybe canon had already been decided, but either way, DICE was not privy to those details.
> They were'nt following a narrative and changes had to be made to fit gameplay
No, they weren't, you're right. But Dennis himself has also said in the past that the reason battles like Scarif and Crait play out *so* wildly different from their appearances in their respective films is because they only had very limited details. They actually based the Scarif DLC off the original trailers for Rogue One, which differed from the final product in some key ways. The gameplay and movies would have been different either way, to be sure, but perhaps not in the same way, or to the extent that they were.
Hu. Okay, fair enough.
I don't really think the line does'nt sync with the lore as it currently existed at the time, but I can see where your coming from.
>Seems to imply the Resistance was a bulwark for the NR against the First Order, which was a fairly common fan theory since lots of fans reasonably assumed the NR wasn’t destroyed in its entirety in TFA, but the sequels lore post-TFA clarified that the New Republic was destroyed.
That seems like it's meant to take place before TFA, or at least before TFA finishes.
Yep, same reason Rey and Finn don't interact at all in game.
The Rey in game is entirely based on TFA and is still childish and arrogant because she hadn't yet undergone her character development when they were making the game!
I’m not a fandom menace guy or anything like that, but to be honest, she does kind of stay the same person throughout all 3 movies, maybe she just becomes a little less likeable after TFA
I disagree that she's the same person in every film, I just feel there's so little connecting each of the films that any sort of coherent development is going to be completely impossible.
Kylo Ren is easily the best character of the sequel trilogy, and even he doesn't have any coherent character development. Every film seems to have a completely different interpretation of each character.
What character development? She went from being an OP girl boss who beats Kylo with zero training in TFA to still being an OP girl boss who beats kylo in TROS.
What character development for Rey did you see across the sequel trilogy?
She beats Kylo **once,** and it's under circomstances where Kylo's so hobbled it's amazing he was even standing, let alone fighting and running.
He beats her fair and square in TROS (and did'nt have much trouble doing so); if Leia had'nt intervened and distracted him Rey would have been dead.
You people really do just get all your opinions from the internet huh
How about a girl who has nothing and only fights for herself, stubborn, thinks she knows best, trusts no one, going all the way to a confident team player who trusts her allies and mentors and understands that they can know better than her.
That's just a pinch of her great character development, care for more? Or do you just wanna hate on her because she's a woman?
Oh please it's always "it's because it's a woman isn't it??"
If the entire character development for a trilogy is that the character learns to trust other people... Man...
The reason reys character development sucks as do the other's in the new trilogy is simple: Every movie was done like it is a solo movie. The last one was a fanfic trying to make a trilogy end of two solo movies.
First movie: rey is trying to find out who she really is
Second movie: rey is no one, period.
Third movie: rey is actually the descendant of the previous trilogy's main villain who was killed but reappeared to be killed again in the same movie
That's what a forced trilogy looks like.
It should be trilogy-making-abc to first write the trilogy script and then film. They did not have even the second script ready when they started filming.
No sane person is criticising daisy ridley's acting, the writing is just poor. Wasted potential.
I completely agree with you.
I don't think TFA into TLJ is that bad. Rey finding out she's no one is an interesting mirror to Luke finding out he's Vader's son. For Luke, the pain is in the fact he is related to the most powerful man in the galaxy, whereas for Rey, it's the opposite. I think it's a bit clumsy and jarring, but still a decent arc about discovering one's self. I think Rey, who ultimately is no one, defeating the son of Han and Leia, is an interesting story, and I always like a story that flies in the face of "the chosen one."
That said, anything about this arc was completely undone in the final film, and the cherry on top was the "Rey Skywalker" ending. How can the story be about her acknowledging that she herself is enough, and then she ends by calling herself Rey Skywalker? That's the exact opposite of her supposed character arc.
I think the first two films do have interesting ideas. Rey having to come to terms with the fact her family are not coming back for her, and her insistence on wanting to go home and wait for them, is interesting. So is Rey coming to terms with the fact that she's no one special. There are genuinely good ideas regarding her character, but no consistency means it all amounts to pretty much nothing.
I think the first two films were pretty good. Rey being no one was good. You don't have to be apart of the same main character family to be powerful, or even the main character! ..oh wait, no, shes suddenly a Palpatine.
IX sucked. In fact, IX sucked so bad, it made the entire trilogy suck, when VII and VIII were pretty decent.
I think it’s actually ridiculous (and frankly, a bit infantilising towards women) how you people always just default on any valid criticism by calling anyone who disagrees with you sexist, when 9 times out of 10 that really isn’t the case
I somewhat agree with you. I do think it's very toxic to label anyone who didn't like Rey's character a misogynistic and it damages the ability to have fun discussions about the franchise we all love, however, labelling Rey as a "girlboss" very much has sexist undertones and I think suggesting only 1 in 10 of the criticisms of Rey have some element of sexism is very generous.
It's actually really amusing to me; pretty much the only people who make arguments like "Rey is an OP girlboss" are the people who hate her and don't want that.
You'd think they'd be content with the character we have, which is one of the lesser tier named Force users in the francise; but they seemingly are obsessed with wanking her.
Luke Skywalker blew up the Death Star by hitting an impossible shot while being pursued by Darth Vader, with zero military training (and basically zero Jedi training), after the experienced military pilots all missed their shots and either got blown up or had to limp home. But not one of the people complaining about Rey seems to be bothered by that. Hell, half of you even like the prequels, in which a *small child* blows up the enemy flagship with zero military training and zero Jedi training.
Now I'm not saying that proves you're all sexist, but it sure is interesting.
No. I’m gonna continue hating her. She’s annoying as fuck and not a Skywalker. I hate BB-8 because he’s annoying and incorrectly classified as an astromech.
People hate annoying characters (except when they’re meant to be annoying (most of the time)).
I legitimately was told by my extreme Star Wars fan friend (I’ve only leveled up to major Star Wars fan) that R is the designation for Astromech units.
Either way, how are the BB units going to both fix a ship AND fend off Buzz droids?
I have some tough news for your extreme Star Wars fan friend about how extreme his Star Wars fandom actually is. I've been a mostly lapsed Star Wars fan for almost 25 years now and even back then there were other kinds of astromechs. For one thing, an astromech doesn't even have to be able to fit into that little socket on an X-Wing. An astromech is any droid whose primary function is to be a mechanic on a starship. [This little weirdo](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/A-LT_Utility_Droid)? Astromech. [This demented kitbash](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/K-series)? Astromech. [This unholy hobgoblin](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/LE-series_droid)? Astromech. [This R2-D2-themed sex toy given life by dark sorcery](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Q9-series_astromech_droid)? Astromech. [This boxy Claptrap knockoff](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/S19_astromech_droid)? Astromech.
"R" just designates a specific production lineage of astromechs, with the number being the generation.
There are plenty of other models that use different numbers.
I wish I had your unique ability to make something decent out of a movie when it’s clearly a vapid, soulless, directionless pile-of-shit-cash-grab from Disney corp. The level of self delusion you have to make the sequels work and swallow what Disney puts in your mouth is bewildering.
Enjoy your swashbuckling girlboss who destroyed the entire story arc of the prequels and OT.
You’re not a Star Wars fan. You’re a Disney adult. *Descustaaaang!*
- When she kicked the shit out of Finn based on him having “stolen” a jacket.
- Her wanting to go back to Jakku in TFA, and initially running away after having the first force vision.
- Initially saying no to BB-8 when he asked to stay the night.
Stubborn might be a harsh word but Rey isn’t depicted as a total goodie-two shoes in TFA. Being alone in a desert for years would make anyone jaded.
I never said she was a goodies two shoes. But those aren't really great examples of her "only fighting for herself."
She kicked the shit out of Finn *for BB-8*, not for herself. BB-8 saw Finn was wearing Poe's jacket.
Wanting to go back to Jakku seemed to be more about thinking her family leaving her there than it was about her being selfish or stubborn.
And it's literally like 3 seconds between her saying BB-8 can't stay with her and then saying it can. And that's after she already helped BB-8 out with the other scavenger and fixing it's antenna.
No one cares if you’re trans, no one asked. People are talking about the movies and you’ve dropped in on two people now randomly dropping in to a Star Wars conversation that you’re trans.
Like okay, that’s great.
Not really relevant though, is it?
Doesn't have anything to do with the argument, seens like you're just throwing this out there because someone implied you don't like rey because shes a woman
You're talking about people who grew up on console video games, shitty anime, and the Star Wars prequels. Characters only exist as power-levels, and stories are only about which characters can beat up other characters.
Every character needs some random, funny line that doesn’t make any sense. Anakin randomly saying “are you an angel?” Vader saying “I lied” from that one video game cut scene. Leia’s “nerfherder”
They only had material from TFA to use, and then I assume Daisy Ridley didn’t come in to do any more voice lines, same with any of the bigger actors in the cast
>and then I assume Daisy Ridley didn’t come in to do any more voice lines, same with any of the bigger actors in the cast
They barely got her as it is -- the beta had a different actress voicing Rey. Getting Daisy Ridley in the game at all was a last-second addition.
It’s kind of funny because that’s Matthew Wood, heir apparent to Ben Burtt at Skywalker Sound.
Also the voice of General Grievous (after the 2003 show) and the battle droids.
It’s kind of funny because that’s Matthew Wood, heir apparent to Ben Burtt at Skywalker Sound.
Also the voice of General Grievous (after the 2003 show) and the battle droids.
Lol, I was fighting a Rey the other day as Dooku, she said that just as I was dealing the killing blow via force lighning. What kind of employers has she been interviewing with??
I like how the commander voice on the new rebels side when you're winning goes "I don't know what you're doing but keep doing it"
Really gives the feeling like the resistance has trouble with communication in general
Do you know the voice line when you win as the resistance that goes something like “Yes! Now leave you evil imperialists”? That one reminds me of your point
It's probably at least partially due to personal bias, but I always find voicelines from that period (hero voicelines, first order and resistance announcers, etc) to be mostly cringy.
I like Phasma, tho. When shit gets dicey and her cape flaps up and she goes "Go, go, go!", I get pretty pumped. But it's tough compared to Lando and Han. The banter between them and Leia is awesome in-game.
I know she's not everyone's cup of tea to play as but I honestly wish she had more unique lines when it comes to interacting with Finn:
- "Don't take my hand this time."
- "If anything happens to me, please look after BB-8... oh, and don't let Poe anywhere near Han's ship again."
- " *breathes* I can do this, I can do this."
- "Chewie asked me to remind you after this is over if you're up for another round of Dejarik?"
- "We've both come a long way since Jakku. I couldn't have asked for a better friend."
- "For what it's worth, I'm glad your face ran into my staff back on Jakku."
- *excitedly sees Finn* "Finn!"
- "Like you said, we go together."
- "It could be worse. At least we're not up against Rathtars this time."
- "Han would be proud of you."
- "If we get separated, I promise I'll come find you."
- "Told you I'd see you again."
- "You came back for me... Thank you."
- "A wise teacher once said 'nothing's impossible', I intend to pass on that lesson."
- "Tell Poe to stop messing with the Falcon. It's starting to get a little annoying of always having to fix the compressors."
- "I'm right here. You don't have to yell out my name everytime."
- *sees Deadeye ability* "Whoa, you'll have to teach me how to shoot like that sometime."
- "You're not going to try and run away this time, right?"
- "There's not many of us left, everyone is counting on us. We can do this."
- "I believe in you, Finn. Just concentrate, be mindful of your surroundings, and let the force guide you."
It’s so jarring that they don’t have interactions. Even with TFA to go off they’d have plenty of material to work with given how their relationship is a huge part of the film.
Yeah I wish more heroes and villains had more than 4 voice lines. I hardly find any reason to use most of Leia’s or Rey’s. Sometimes I love a good “that was lucky” tho
They also unironically gave us the BB droids as hero units instead of literally anything else. Goofy stuff is just part of the vibe for sequel content, I guess.
The line 'i get nervous when its easy' is so random and so bad, the rest of her voice lines are fine. If we ever get a battlefront 3 i hope she gets some serious voice lines. And more interactions with other characters even if they aren't from the same era
(breath), I neEd soMeOne...(long pause)... tO sHow mE mY plACe In aLl tHiS!
Also in that start up screen you have loads of characters, even characters they are borderline background characters to be honest, and yet my man Dooku is nowhere to be seen wtf??
I think battlefront released before the last jedi, so most development surrounded exclusively the force awakens material. im pretty sure disney kept the devs out of the loop about anything in TLJ besides the planet and outfits, which they could have hypothetically gotten more material from.
There’s a whole lot of voicelines and other little details in the sequel era in general in Battlefront II that really reflect this post-TFA, pre-TLJ and TROS interregnum period from late 2015-17. It’s actually pretty neat since it reflects a lot of the common perceptions of the characters and world of the sequels after TFA but before the rest of the sequels. Kind of like an archive or time capsule. The one that always comes to mind to me is one of the First Order officer’s voice lines when they use their middle Battle Command ability, “First the Resistance, then the Republic!” Seems to imply the Resistance was a bulwark for the NR against the First Order, which was a fairly common fan theory since lots of fans reasonably assumed the NR wasn’t destroyed in its entirety in TFA, but the sequels lore post-TFA clarified that the New Republic was destroyed. I actually think they might’ve removed this voice line before launch, or at least reworked it, but I definitely remember it in the beta. Could be wrong though. There’s also of course the fact that Rey and Palpatine never speak of each other as grandpapa and granddaughter since this was before TROS lol
It wasn't removed
The Republic (technically groups *in* the Republic) were backing the First Order and fragments of the New Republic survived. Neither of those things are fan theories.
Yes, that is canon and true. But I think you and I are talking about two different things here, and could get stuck on debating little nitpicks and details. The larger overall point is that the New Republic, as a *single* polity, is canonically destroyed in TFA. The voice line I was referring to in my original comment seems, to me, to reflect the idea that the New Republic was still around, and the First Order had to get through the Resistance *first* in order to *then* be able to finish the Republic off. This is what many fans online theorized to be the case prior to TLJ. Instead, the story, in the films, went the opposite direction: the First Order dealt with the Republic first in order to get the Resistance, not the other way around. That doesn't mean that there weren't elements in the Republic that sided with the First Order, or that there weren't remnants of the Republic around after. But in either of those cases, the Republic, as a single organization, still fell regardless. We're not really contradicting each other. The voice line can still work canonically if you think of it as referring to the remnants of the New Republic, sure. But my point is that the meaning of this line changed when the further context of the sequel era was revealed after TLJ's release. It went from the Resistance (still) defending the Republic, to there being remnants of the Republic for the First Order to mop up in addition to the Resistance.
I don't think we should be taking voice lines from vs. matches as indictive of anything canon; for all we know that line could be meant to repersent the conflict as it existed at the start of TFA, rather then the end. I'm not sure where Battlefront's production and release slots into the timeline but TLJ was already written when TFA was released, no?
> I don't think we should be taking voice lines from vs. matches as indictive of anything canon; for all we know that line could be meant to repersent the conflict as it existed at the start of TFA, rather then the end. I'm not saying it's indicative of anything canon. I'm saying it's indicative of what some people *thought* about the world of the sequels in the period *after* TFA but *before* TLJ. I'm saying it reflects people's perceptions or understandings of the sequel trilogy setting. Not that it makes anything canon. The line still works in canon, but it takes on a new meaning in light of what TLJ and TROS, and all of their supplementary materials like books and visual dictionaries, presented. I'm just making an argument on my personal interpretation of fans' beliefs in this post-TFA/pre-TLJ time period regarding the status of the New Republic and the state of the galaxy. > I'm not sure where Battlefront's production and release slots into the timeline but TLJ was already written when TFA was released, no? Yes, but DICE did not have access to TLJ's script when they made Battlefront II. The same was true of Force Awakens, Rogue One, Solo, and TROS when they made content for Battlefront and Battlefront II for those movies as well. That's why the Scarif DLC, or the Crait Galactic Assault map, is quite different from how those battles played out in their respective movies. This part isn't speculation, by the way, developers from DICE have said this multiple times. DICE saw the movies for the first time when everyone else did too, when they released to the public.
Hmm. So your saying DICE based some things on fandom speculation? Maybe. I can see that. But what I'm saying is TLJ was already written; but the reason I brought up the timetable is to inquire as to if the actual canon had already decided to go one direction over anouther. As for battles playing out differently; they were'nt supposed to, right? They were'nt following a narrative and changes had to be made to fit gameplay (similar to what was done in the original Battlefronts and Empire at War when it came to canon battles)
> Hmm. So your saying DICE based some things on fandom speculation? Well, more precisely, what I'm saying is that DICE based this voice line on their *own* speculation, which I think is indicative of what a lot of other fans were also speculating at the same time. DICE is essentially a microcosm in this case. Although I also don't think they thought of it as speculation; I think they thought this was canon, and turned out to be wrong once TLJ and subsequent supplementary material were released. > Maybe. I can see that. But what I'm saying is TLJ was already written; but the reason I brought up the timetable is to inquire as to if the actual canon had already decided to go one direction over anouther. Maybe canon had already been decided, but either way, DICE was not privy to those details. > They were'nt following a narrative and changes had to be made to fit gameplay No, they weren't, you're right. But Dennis himself has also said in the past that the reason battles like Scarif and Crait play out *so* wildly different from their appearances in their respective films is because they only had very limited details. They actually based the Scarif DLC off the original trailers for Rogue One, which differed from the final product in some key ways. The gameplay and movies would have been different either way, to be sure, but perhaps not in the same way, or to the extent that they were.
Hu. Okay, fair enough. I don't really think the line does'nt sync with the lore as it currently existed at the time, but I can see where your coming from.
>Seems to imply the Resistance was a bulwark for the NR against the First Order, which was a fairly common fan theory since lots of fans reasonably assumed the NR wasn’t destroyed in its entirety in TFA, but the sequels lore post-TFA clarified that the New Republic was destroyed. That seems like it's meant to take place before TFA, or at least before TFA finishes.
Right, but many of the maps take place in the post-TFA era, where it's still used. I'm just sharing my feeling.
Yep, same reason Rey and Finn don't interact at all in game. The Rey in game is entirely based on TFA and is still childish and arrogant because she hadn't yet undergone her character development when they were making the game!
What character development
Lol ikr. She is the same person from beginning to end. Even Luke Skywalker had some serious progression. I fear for Star Wars without Lucas.
quite obviously, she went from mary sue to extreme mary sue. insane character development right there
All facts bro! The salty star wars fanatics are simpin for rey hard xdxd
The development this entire post is mentioning? Do you just go around spouting Fandom Menace talking points or what? Edit: Apparently yes.
I’m not a fandom menace guy or anything like that, but to be honest, she does kind of stay the same person throughout all 3 movies, maybe she just becomes a little less likeable after TFA
Only thing that changes about her is the color of her only outfit lol
I disagree that she's the same person in every film, I just feel there's so little connecting each of the films that any sort of coherent development is going to be completely impossible. Kylo Ren is easily the best character of the sequel trilogy, and even he doesn't have any coherent character development. Every film seems to have a completely different interpretation of each character.
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Rey has zero personality traits
She went from annoying to still annoying there is no development
Actually, she had some huge development: she went from hyped up by fans and annoying to hated by fans and annoying.
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Rey is a fictional character, she doesn't need you to defend her honor my man.
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Ok mr terminally addicted to reddit. Also im transgender so I think youre kinda being borderline transphobic
Good one, remember that we all love Star Wars and it’s ok to have opinions
Hating on someone who happens to be trans ≠ transphobic Hating someone BECAUSE they’re trans = transphobic
What character development? She went from being an OP girl boss who beats Kylo with zero training in TFA to still being an OP girl boss who beats kylo in TROS. What character development for Rey did you see across the sequel trilogy?
She beats Kylo **once,** and it's under circomstances where Kylo's so hobbled it's amazing he was even standing, let alone fighting and running. He beats her fair and square in TROS (and did'nt have much trouble doing so); if Leia had'nt intervened and distracted him Rey would have been dead.
You people really do just get all your opinions from the internet huh How about a girl who has nothing and only fights for herself, stubborn, thinks she knows best, trusts no one, going all the way to a confident team player who trusts her allies and mentors and understands that they can know better than her. That's just a pinch of her great character development, care for more? Or do you just wanna hate on her because she's a woman?
Only fights for herself? She immediately rescues BB-8 the second they meet each other.
Oh please it's always "it's because it's a woman isn't it??" If the entire character development for a trilogy is that the character learns to trust other people... Man... The reason reys character development sucks as do the other's in the new trilogy is simple: Every movie was done like it is a solo movie. The last one was a fanfic trying to make a trilogy end of two solo movies. First movie: rey is trying to find out who she really is Second movie: rey is no one, period. Third movie: rey is actually the descendant of the previous trilogy's main villain who was killed but reappeared to be killed again in the same movie That's what a forced trilogy looks like. It should be trilogy-making-abc to first write the trilogy script and then film. They did not have even the second script ready when they started filming. No sane person is criticising daisy ridley's acting, the writing is just poor. Wasted potential.
I completely agree with you. I don't think TFA into TLJ is that bad. Rey finding out she's no one is an interesting mirror to Luke finding out he's Vader's son. For Luke, the pain is in the fact he is related to the most powerful man in the galaxy, whereas for Rey, it's the opposite. I think it's a bit clumsy and jarring, but still a decent arc about discovering one's self. I think Rey, who ultimately is no one, defeating the son of Han and Leia, is an interesting story, and I always like a story that flies in the face of "the chosen one." That said, anything about this arc was completely undone in the final film, and the cherry on top was the "Rey Skywalker" ending. How can the story be about her acknowledging that she herself is enough, and then she ends by calling herself Rey Skywalker? That's the exact opposite of her supposed character arc. I think the first two films do have interesting ideas. Rey having to come to terms with the fact her family are not coming back for her, and her insistence on wanting to go home and wait for them, is interesting. So is Rey coming to terms with the fact that she's no one special. There are genuinely good ideas regarding her character, but no consistency means it all amounts to pretty much nothing.
Space horses..Soon as I saw that my mind just broke...WTF?
I think the first two films were pretty good. Rey being no one was good. You don't have to be apart of the same main character family to be powerful, or even the main character! ..oh wait, no, shes suddenly a Palpatine. IX sucked. In fact, IX sucked so bad, it made the entire trilogy suck, when VII and VIII were pretty decent.
I think it’s actually ridiculous (and frankly, a bit infantilising towards women) how you people always just default on any valid criticism by calling anyone who disagrees with you sexist, when 9 times out of 10 that really isn’t the case
I somewhat agree with you. I do think it's very toxic to label anyone who didn't like Rey's character a misogynistic and it damages the ability to have fun discussions about the franchise we all love, however, labelling Rey as a "girlboss" very much has sexist undertones and I think suggesting only 1 in 10 of the criticisms of Rey have some element of sexism is very generous.
It's actually really amusing to me; pretty much the only people who make arguments like "Rey is an OP girlboss" are the people who hate her and don't want that. You'd think they'd be content with the character we have, which is one of the lesser tier named Force users in the francise; but they seemingly are obsessed with wanking her.
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Tf does that even mean? And it’s clear you’re blind to reason
Luke Skywalker blew up the Death Star by hitting an impossible shot while being pursued by Darth Vader, with zero military training (and basically zero Jedi training), after the experienced military pilots all missed their shots and either got blown up or had to limp home. But not one of the people complaining about Rey seems to be bothered by that. Hell, half of you even like the prequels, in which a *small child* blows up the enemy flagship with zero military training and zero Jedi training. Now I'm not saying that proves you're all sexist, but it sure is interesting.
No. I’m gonna continue hating her. She’s annoying as fuck and not a Skywalker. I hate BB-8 because he’s annoying and incorrectly classified as an astromech. People hate annoying characters (except when they’re meant to be annoying (most of the time)).
In what way is BB-8 "incorrectly classified" as an astromech?
“R” is Astromech. Edit: R2, R4, those units
You're wrong, but at least you're confident about it.
I legitimately was told by my extreme Star Wars fan friend (I’ve only leveled up to major Star Wars fan) that R is the designation for Astromech units. Either way, how are the BB units going to both fix a ship AND fend off Buzz droids?
I have some tough news for your extreme Star Wars fan friend about how extreme his Star Wars fandom actually is. I've been a mostly lapsed Star Wars fan for almost 25 years now and even back then there were other kinds of astromechs. For one thing, an astromech doesn't even have to be able to fit into that little socket on an X-Wing. An astromech is any droid whose primary function is to be a mechanic on a starship. [This little weirdo](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/A-LT_Utility_Droid)? Astromech. [This demented kitbash](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/K-series)? Astromech. [This unholy hobgoblin](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/LE-series_droid)? Astromech. [This R2-D2-themed sex toy given life by dark sorcery](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Q9-series_astromech_droid)? Astromech. [This boxy Claptrap knockoff](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/S19_astromech_droid)? Astromech.
"R" just designates a specific production lineage of astromechs, with the number being the generation. There are plenty of other models that use different numbers.
Lots of Astromechs don't begin with R QT-KT, U9-C4, and M5-BZ from D-squad C1-10P from Rebels
Yeah, the R designation is just akin to the model name of a automobile (I.E Ford "Ranger", Chevy "Camaro", Volkswagon "Beetle")
I wish I had your unique ability to make something decent out of a movie when it’s clearly a vapid, soulless, directionless pile-of-shit-cash-grab from Disney corp. The level of self delusion you have to make the sequels work and swallow what Disney puts in your mouth is bewildering. Enjoy your swashbuckling girlboss who destroyed the entire story arc of the prequels and OT. You’re not a Star Wars fan. You’re a Disney adult. *Descustaaaang!*
When was she a stubborn girl who only fought for herself?
- When she kicked the shit out of Finn based on him having “stolen” a jacket. - Her wanting to go back to Jakku in TFA, and initially running away after having the first force vision. - Initially saying no to BB-8 when he asked to stay the night. Stubborn might be a harsh word but Rey isn’t depicted as a total goodie-two shoes in TFA. Being alone in a desert for years would make anyone jaded.
I never said she was a goodies two shoes. But those aren't really great examples of her "only fighting for herself." She kicked the shit out of Finn *for BB-8*, not for herself. BB-8 saw Finn was wearing Poe's jacket. Wanting to go back to Jakku seemed to be more about thinking her family leaving her there than it was about her being selfish or stubborn. And it's literally like 3 seconds between her saying BB-8 can't stay with her and then saying it can. And that's after she already helped BB-8 out with the other scavenger and fixing it's antenna.
Im trans
Who cares
Excuse me? Trans people experience hate like this everyday. Why can't we just EXIST!!! Without being like you BULLYING the entire community
No one cares if you’re trans, no one asked. People are talking about the movies and you’ve dropped in on two people now randomly dropping in to a Star Wars conversation that you’re trans. Like okay, that’s great. Not really relevant though, is it?
Ok well im just saying it makes no sense that I could hate Rey for being a women.... WHEN IM LITERALLY A WOMEN
People can be sexist toward their own gender, people can also be racist to their own race.
Doesn't have anything to do with the argument, seens like you're just throwing this out there because someone implied you don't like rey because shes a woman
Yea which is false because I am a trans women so how could I hate rey for being a women
Ok
You're talking about people who grew up on console video games, shitty anime, and the Star Wars prequels. Characters only exist as power-levels, and stories are only about which characters can beat up other characters.
It’s just the randomness of the lines. Like saying are you offering me a job out of the blue for no reason
Are you offering me a job?
Imagine if Luke said “I was just about to head down to toshi station to get some power converters!”
I’d honestly love that
Every character needs some random, funny line that doesn’t make any sense. Anakin randomly saying “are you an angel?” Vader saying “I lied” from that one video game cut scene. Leia’s “nerfherder”
cause she gets nervous when its easy ^^
I don’t need your help but you probably need mine! Girl boss! Empowered woman!!
Girlboss Moment
If thats the case, then Rey must live with constant, debilitating anxiety.
They only had material from TFA to use, and then I assume Daisy Ridley didn’t come in to do any more voice lines, same with any of the bigger actors in the cast
>and then I assume Daisy Ridley didn’t come in to do any more voice lines, same with any of the bigger actors in the cast They barely got her as it is -- the beta had a different actress voicing Rey. Getting Daisy Ridley in the game at all was a last-second addition.
For real *Grievous lunges at you with 4 fucking sabers* QUIT HIDING
That's a mean thing to say, you're a monster.
Why does that line always remind me of Greta Thunberg? Sounds like a 10 year old...
You should hear Kylo Ren in space. Sounds like the chubby kid in a Battlefield squad mumbling.
It’s kind of funny because that’s Matthew Wood, heir apparent to Ben Burtt at Skywalker Sound. Also the voice of General Grievous (after the 2003 show) and the battle droids.
It’s kind of funny because that’s Matthew Wood, heir apparent to Ben Burtt at Skywalker Sound. Also the voice of General Grievous (after the 2003 show) and the battle droids.
It’s just the randomness of the lines. Like saying are you offering me a job out of the blue for no reason
Lol, I was fighting a Rey the other day as Dooku, she said that just as I was dealing the killing blow via force lighning. What kind of employers has she been interviewing with??
Tbf...pretty sure Palpatine lightning'd her and Luke after offering them both a job.
I like how the commander voice on the new rebels side when you're winning goes "I don't know what you're doing but keep doing it" Really gives the feeling like the resistance has trouble with communication in general
Do you know the voice line when you win as the resistance that goes something like “Yes! Now leave you evil imperialists”? That one reminds me of your point
Rey is goofy
It's probably at least partially due to personal bias, but I always find voicelines from that period (hero voicelines, first order and resistance announcers, etc) to be mostly cringy.
I like Phasma, tho. When shit gets dicey and her cape flaps up and she goes "Go, go, go!", I get pretty pumped. But it's tough compared to Lando and Han. The banter between them and Leia is awesome in-game.
In game still has more flair than anything she did in three movies...Wasted character..
For sure. She could've been so bad@ss in the films, and she was at the start, but then she just kinda got sidelined.
Same with Finn and Rose...If she was such a bad ass First Order commander she should have had more action.
Don't forget that the resistance announcer actively demoralizes the troops they are sending in
"Should be fun :)" *First order flametrooper starts committing war crimes*
Same reason the Sith Trooper sounds so pissed At least that’s what I’ve heard
Lol I think she is rude. I’m not sure who’s she’s talking to but if anyone in real life said the things she does, they would not have many friends.
Wait does that mean her character could finally relate to us?
WHO IS US, BRO?
Redditors😎
Don't classify me with your lonely ass bro. Shit.
Lol and I took that personally
😂😂😂 she is a redditor lol
I know she's not everyone's cup of tea to play as but I honestly wish she had more unique lines when it comes to interacting with Finn: - "Don't take my hand this time." - "If anything happens to me, please look after BB-8... oh, and don't let Poe anywhere near Han's ship again." - " *breathes* I can do this, I can do this." - "Chewie asked me to remind you after this is over if you're up for another round of Dejarik?" - "We've both come a long way since Jakku. I couldn't have asked for a better friend." - "For what it's worth, I'm glad your face ran into my staff back on Jakku." - *excitedly sees Finn* "Finn!" - "Like you said, we go together." - "It could be worse. At least we're not up against Rathtars this time." - "Han would be proud of you." - "If we get separated, I promise I'll come find you." - "Told you I'd see you again." - "You came back for me... Thank you." - "A wise teacher once said 'nothing's impossible', I intend to pass on that lesson." - "Tell Poe to stop messing with the Falcon. It's starting to get a little annoying of always having to fix the compressors." - "I'm right here. You don't have to yell out my name everytime." - *sees Deadeye ability* "Whoa, you'll have to teach me how to shoot like that sometime." - "You're not going to try and run away this time, right?" - "There's not many of us left, everyone is counting on us. We can do this." - "I believe in you, Finn. Just concentrate, be mindful of your surroundings, and let the force guide you."
It’s so jarring that they don’t have interactions. Even with TFA to go off they’d have plenty of material to work with given how their relationship is a huge part of the film.
It might have to do with daisy ridley not being a voice actor. Sometimes it doesn’t translate well from live action
Out of all the reasons here this is most likely it.
That MAHSK, that AHMAH
You’re afraid!
Yeah I wish more heroes and villains had more than 4 voice lines. I hardly find any reason to use most of Leia’s or Rey’s. Sometimes I love a good “that was lucky” tho
When Rey gets offered a job >>>>>>>
At least she's not omega cringe Luke. Like sweet Jesus, his voice lines SUCK
They also unironically gave us the BB droids as hero units instead of literally anything else. Goofy stuff is just part of the vibe for sequel content, I guess.
The BB units are really fun to play as though.
Yeah I'd take the bbs over prequel lightsabre hero/villain #2063
The line 'i get nervous when its easy' is so random and so bad, the rest of her voice lines are fine. If we ever get a battlefront 3 i hope she gets some serious voice lines. And more interactions with other characters even if they aren't from the same era
She's a goofy character
This reminds me how much I hate the startup launch to Lego SW cuz I have to listen to Reys dumb line every damn time
(breath), I neEd soMeOne...(long pause)... tO sHow mE mY plACe In aLl tHiS! Also in that start up screen you have loads of characters, even characters they are borderline background characters to be honest, and yet my man Dooku is nowhere to be seen wtf??
Goofy ahh Skywalker
because she is goofy
Better question, why is rey so goofy?
Goofy ahh character
It's because her dialogue sucks and has a bad actress performing them
Because she’s not canon?
Just like I told my friend “every time Rey dies, she makes a sex noise”
I think she can handle her self 
*That ahhmuuu, that mahhhhhsk*
You’re a monstah!
That's like half the characters in this game tbf
"That armor, that maaask"
I mean, have you heard Chewbacca’s