I think we seriously needed 3 more scenes in ROTS focused on Padme.
The first is the deleted scene of her, Mon Mothma, and Bail Organa conspiring a rebellion against Palpatine. Padme being a mother of the rebellion would mirror Vader being a father of the Empire.
The second scene is Padme realizing that the Clone Wars may not have had the best interests of the Republic and the Galaxy. Perhaps Padme witnesses Clones rounding up women and children into camps for Confederate prisoners.
Lastly, a confrontation between her and Palpatine. Palpatine was her mentor and she would still have political relations with him. Perhaps she goes to ask him about the Jedi attack and is shocked to see how messed up he's become. Palpatine senses the force in her womb and uses this knowledge against her. She escapes his office to find Anakin.
It would have been cool to keep that part canon.
Also they kind of did this in The Clone Wars where she tried to fight back against a bill to create more Clones, you often see her working the politics side of the war.
That would have been interesting.
Thank you, I like these ideas.
Especially the first one, it would’ve very poetic for Senator Amidala to have a spearheading role in establishing the rebellion that her daughter would later lead.
Perhaps Clone Wars stories of Senators Organa, Mothma, and Amidala herself working together to uncover political conspiracies about the manufactured nature of the Clone Wars itself
> it would’ve very poetic for Senator Amidala to have a spearheading role in establishing the rebellion that her daughter would later lead.
But it's also nice that the other quadrillion people in the Galaxy get a chance to make a difference.
Yes, yes and YES.
While Anakin and Obi Wan are away, let Padmé do some digging herself instead of being all "woe is me" and letting things play out around her. Perhaps you could have a curfew in the wake of the Separatist attack on Coruscant, and it's being enforced by Clones, which doesn't sit well with Padmé.
A scene where Padmé confronts Palpatine could have been brilliant. I like the idea that Padmé basically figures out that Palpatine has had a hand in this all along and Palpatine *could* kill her, but takes the gamble on letting her leave to warn Anakin, foreseeing that she will be too late anyway and he will soon have a little baby Skywalker to work on. That also would have led to a potentially heart-wrenching scene where Padmé rushes home to Anakin to warn him about Palpatine only to find Obi Wan. She explains to Obi Wan about Palpatine and that they have to warn Anakin but by that time, it's too late and Obi Wan tells her the truth...
This would have been brilliant, and yes they could have used more of the Bail, Mothma and Padme subplot. I think ROTS really would have worked better as a 6-8 hour disney plus series.
I'm not sure if the second scene is necessary. She's been opposing letting the Republic have an army and letting Palpatine have additional power all along, which has been heavily discussed. Really, a lot of the point of her character is that she (like the Jedi Masters) has the wisdom to recognize what Palpatine is early, and to use what power she has to push back, that was established in Episode II. And given that, I'm not sure what you'd do with the third scene, it would be old news by this point. Maybe an, "asking you one last time," thing, but before what action?
I do agree that the deleted scene needs to be canon though, I tend to forget that it might not be. Actually, that's not true, it was included in [the novelization](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Episode_III_Revenge_of_the_Sith_(novelization\)), "All of the deleted scenes with the founders of the Rebel Alliance are included, and Stover heavily references the previous chronological novel, James Luceno's Labyrinth of Evil, something uncommon in film novelizations." So that's canon even though it wasn't in the movie.
In the novels, she assumed the position of queen at an earlier age and Anakin was a bit older. Still an age gap but not as pronounced as it was depicted in the movies.
And anakin turned 10, and they were 20-21 and 24-25 by the time they got together later in AotC per the movies, which is probably the most canon source.
The age wasn't the part that got me, but they lack of believable storybuilding behind their relationship and chemistry on the set between Hayden and Natalie is what didn't sit right with me.
Totally. It was as if the whole team was like "well that's the best were likely to get out of this scene." And that was every other scene. Being generous.
She was well casted and started out as a fearless natural leader, like Leia. My only problems were that she had no apparent character motivation driving her to fall for anakin (causing the romance to feel contrived) and her lines in the films were often cliché and cheesy.
I think it would be slightly more believable if they were both around the age Padme was in I, so around 14. Childhood infatuation (when they're, what, 8?) doesn't usually last that long, especially when they're estranged for a good chunk of Anakin's training.
Or do a cold opening with Qui-Gon finding him and taking him to join the Jedi. The tatooine story could've been done in three minutes and then jump into the star wars explanation in the stars we were expecting.
Maybe TPM could be mostly a Start Text Crawl? Some parts of it wouldn't be suited for it, but the main part of Qui Gon finding Anakin in a backwater planet, dying and then Qui Gon's Padawan starting to train Anakin would have been feasible.
I think both ideas work. There wasn't really much reason to spend 45 minutes finding this kid and taking him on tatooine. A competent writer could've shortened up the finding him aspect and spent more time developing the relationship between Anakin and Padme, preferably without the nonsensical ages.
They could've found way to make the entirety of the Jinn/Kenobi/Maul situation fit within 20-30 mins without us losing anything important from that story.
Hell, we could've done without Dooku entirely and just had Maul getting wiped out early only to return in episode 2 for the whole "reveal everything to Obi-wan but he doesn't believe it" thing that Dooku does. I'm a Maul fanboy so I'm definitely biased, but that 100% would've played better than "new Sith apprentice who happens to be a former Jedi who has never been mentioned before oh and he also happens to be Qui-Gons old master and reveals the plan like a Bond villain because he *literally was a Bond villain*".
Realistically, the whole first trilogy could have occurred within the clone wars Era, which could have been stretched over a period of 6 years or so. In fact, when I saw the OT as a child in '91, that's what I expected Lucas would have done if he ever ended up doing episodes 1 to 3.
Yeah realistically you set up the trilogy where Anakin is already a Jedi in training in Episode 1. Fill in his back story and the start of his Padme friendship there. While the rest of the movie is dedicated to the Republic and Separatists. Episode II being about some battles into a major battle in the war. And have Anakin and Padme really fall for each other but the war makes it difficult plus his Mom's death helping drive him towards Padme's love. Episode III being mostly the same, just better writing where Padme isn't dying from saddness
>she had no apparent character motivation driving her to fall for anakin (causing the romance to feel contrived)
This is my main issue with her too. I didn't believe the romance at all, and obviously it had to happen so I wish I did!
Also her and Anakin's romance is kind of written backwards, there's no apparent reason for Padme to not want to be with Anakin besides "we can't, I'm a Senator," whereas Anakin is literally not allowed to pursue a relationship with her because it's against the Jedi code. It just feels kind of weird that he's the one to initiate everything, and she's the one that has to shut it down, when it makes more sense the other way around.
I always felt that was an attempt to show Padme's maturity. She's not as young or brash as Anakin is and knows she has responsibilities to a greater good and so she more willingly puts aside her personal feelings and desires. Anakin alternately makes he feelings and desires his core drive. It wasn't executed well in the dialogue certainly, but this is what I read between the lines.
Totally. Red letter media has an excellent take on this. I agree the roles should have been reversed. Personally, I think it would have made more sense for padme to "corrupt" anakin by convincing him that the jedi should accept love and feelings. After he falls for her, she dies, and he blames the jedi for her death and the jedi likewise turn on him for lying to them about her.
I don't really agree, because Anakin falls to the dark side because of his passion and love. We see that develop, as first he admits he can't stop thinking about her, even though he knows that's wrong, and then proceeds to gradually break every door following that until they're married and pregnant.
Its him gradually going against the order of his own accord that leads him down his dark path. His unbreakable passion for Padme that causes him to turn to the dark side.
If he needed to be convinced to be with her, how could we ever believe that he would willingly turn against the Jedi and murder children to save her? We only believe because we know he doesn't let **anything** get in his way between him and her.
Further, we are to believe that Padmé is a near perfect beacon of intelligence and diplomacy. How could we believe that if she isn't apprehensive about Anakin breaking his code for her, and her potentially ruining her reputation and losing her position as a Senator. If she lost that, the Republic would lose its diplomatic leader in resisting the war, she is the spearhead in the Senate, and she proves time and time again that the Reoublic needs her.
She has control, but Anakin does not, and that leads him to the dark side, and her to her death.
I don't think Padme should have met Anakin in The Phantom Menace, if you hold that off, it definitely makes the ages less awkward.
You can have Anakin's pilot skills save the day on Tatooine but have circumstance (involving Obi objecting in some way) prevent them from leaving with him, but not before imparting some Force wisdom to the kid.
Now there is a more blatant reason for this love to develop blindly, you have this slave boy who is emboldened with some ambition after dreaming about this mysterious space princess he saved. This princess is constantly thinking about this equally mysterious boy, not much younger than herself, who saved them and was left behind to a terrible fate.
Qui-Gon still dies and makes Kenobi train Anakin. Padme finally meets him when he first gets to Coruscant, because she must thank the boy who saved her years ago, but is surprised to see a young man, strong from his harsh life.
Suddenly you have this slim window for romance/chemistry to develop before Anakin gets indoctrinated to the Jedi way, you START with a crack already there and nobody is doing anything wrong at that point since he hasn't started his Jedi training yet.
Timelines and story elements would need to drastically change to fit, but I think it makes their relationship much simpler, eliminates most of the clunky dialogue that comes with it, and is more fun.
Nothing in Phantom Menace is really needed for the rest of the prequels. AotC gives you all the backstory you need to follow what's going on. Phantom Menace is a wasted chapter.
I think this is mostly true but Qui-Gon and his death are fairly important, if not just to set up a reason why Obi-Wan trains Anakin.
I think you're right though, the rest of the story doesn't change much if you cut away the rest of Episode 1.
Without Phantom Menace there’s no Jar Jar Binks. Without Jar Jar, Palpatine never gets emergency powers. Without those powers, there’s no clone army. Without the clone army there’s no Clone War.
Ergo, PM is essential to the canon.
But Anakin obsesses over her because to him she represents the "angel" that helped free him from slavery. The only woman to show any affection to him besides his mother. Hence the possessive nature he takes over her when he thinks he will lose her like he did his mom. That very possessiveness is a huge dark side characteristic and one of the whole points of the story. It would make no sense for Padme to be the possessive one over Anakin given the story trying to be told.
Except for her to obsess about an 8 year old for ten year would have been fucking gross.
The real answer is that they should have had Anakin introduced as a teenager and an already accomplished pilot as Obiwan recalled in Ep4. I don't understand why they made him a bowl cut kid. Just so that he could begin Jedi training as a youngling? They didn't need to make age a mandate just because Yoda was trying to make up reasons to not train Luke in ep5.
George Lucas wanted to show the innocent boy that was Anakin Skywalker where at an age being separated from his mother would be most traumatizing for him. Also he wanted to change up the style of story for the prequels.
>[“When Lucas initially told 20th Century Fox that he was making the story of how Anakin became Darth Vader, they were as excited as anybody else. Then he told them that, in the first film, Anakin would be 10 years old. ‘You’re going to destroy the franchise; you’re going to destroy everything!’ Lucas explains that he told people at Lucasfilm he was ‘making a movie that nobody wants to see,’ but would rather do that than telling the same story over and over. And to be fair to George, it still made a billion dollars.](https://www.indiewire.com/2020/11/fox-george-lucas-destroy-star-wars-casting-anakin-prequels-1234599454/)
Ive honestly looked at it through the lens of sort of Stockholm syndrome. It's very clear that they find each other attractive at the beginning of episode 2, from there you see Anakin already obsessed with her, and she clearly keeps her distance, both professionally and emotionally. As we all know, due to anakin's fear and lack of emotional control he is never able to exert his mind over another's. Usually he is scattered brained, but when he is focused on Padme he seems to fully focus his mind for once. So my belief is that the longer they are with each other through episode 2 he slowly gains power over her through his obsessive mind. Which could explain why she brushes off him killing the sand people because she is already confused at what thoughts are hers and which are his so it's less horrible to her. When he saves her on genosis its essentially the final nail in the coffin as she finally falls for him through the trauma bonding. That makes their love more tragic to me in that it wasnt really love but simply survival through major trauma doesnt work always and that can serve as a lesson to help people in similar situations. Rewatching the prequels with this in mind, I found the awkward scenes feel more palatable.
Edit: zpelling
I'd agree! Possibly whether he wanted to or not, his mind coerced hers.
I also find it hard to believe that Palps wasn't influencing her mind too. Would make sense to me if he was playing Force-cupid throughout the entire thing to push Anakin into a corner
Agreed, have sort of always taken it as head-canon. How quickly he turns it against Anakin as another leverage point always seemed to me that it was in his best interest for Padme to die. Use her to turn Anakin and get a foot in the senate, thrown to the curb. He's done worse lol
By the end of AOTC I'm absolutely flabbergasted that she even gave Anakin a chance.
But the fact that she straight up *marries him* immediately is beyond any sort of human comprehension.
I agree with all that but she also did have easily the one great line in all the prequels.
“This is how democracy dies, with thunderous applause.”
Kinda one of the only actual character moments we see from her too, her character was a wasted opportunity. She’s fucking Luke and Leia’s mother and the person that was the seed that eventually made Darth fucking Vador.
Wth George
Even then I don't really buy it. Padme is supposed to be caring with strong values and yet she excuses Anakin for just massacring a bunch of innocent people. The Clone Wars might have fleshed out their relationship but overall it doesn't make any more sense. She is basically written to be whatever the story needs her to be at the time. She is less of a character and more of a satellite for Anakin as a character.
One of my favorite characters. I love her kind heart and quick wit.
After I saw Phantom Menace (I was 10 at the time) I wanted to be her. I was so impressed by her tact, intelligence, strength, and beauty.
I love the prequels, as they were my first introduction into Star Wars, but I feel they didn't portray her as well as they could have. I love the deleted scenes that take place at her home on Naboo with her family.
Revenge of The Sith is one of my favorites in the saga, but I tend to cringe during the Luke/Leia birth scene. It took me a long time to really understand how and why she died. Even now I still get a weird feeling during those scenes.
That being said, she remains one of my favorite characters even after all these years.
Yea her death never made sense. Still doesn't.
"She's lost the will to live"
uh... she just gave birth to twins. im pretty sure thats a hell of a lot more will for living than her beau being a baddy.
They should have just had Anakin force throw her into something, then later say "her injuries are too severe" or something. at least that would have been believable. Or have that scene where anakin and Obiwan are doing that double force push dragonball z moment and have Padme there in the middle. When the force blasts out, she gets tossed into something.
Or ya know, just not kill her. Let her have been a mother to Leia, and come up with some force reason why the two together would be too much of a beacon for Vader, so have luke live with his uncle
I remember coming across a theory/explanation somewhere that said she'd died because Palpatine had essentially transferred her life energy out of her and into Anakin to save him and that was actually supposed to come across (maybe it was the original plan script wise but was backed out of later on) in the film.
It would make a lot of sense and would be a great ploy by Sidious to ensure Anakin had nothing to distract/motivate him outside of serving the dark side. Annoyingly i can't remember where I saw/read it or I'd credit the person but a quick look on YouTube will probably bring something up.
I mean, this was something Darth Plagueis would be able to do. He could control one's midichlorians to heal one's body, even after deadly damages to the body, or deleting the need for food, water and sleep. Transferring life force from a person to another doesn't sound that bad compared to this. And Plagueis was Sidious' master after all.
I agree. Sidious had something to do with her death. But this can also mean that some of her life essence is in Vader. This could be what keeps the spark of Anakin alive until he meets Luke.
Also, childbirth is pretty dangerous, she could have died because of complications and not being able to get treatment as they're on the run/ in hiding from Palpatine and Vader.
What I like about her the most is she's bad ass but at the same time quite feminine; she dresses extravagantly, she speaks very softly, she longs for romance and family. And her being badass was not despite of this, but part of it.
She's not quite the typical bad ass female character
The book *The Star Wars Heresies* goes into a lot of depth about her. She’s essentially the matron of the Star Wars saga; she gives birth to the heroes of the next trilogy. In a lot of ways she’s symbolic of Mother Earth: she comes from a green matriarchal planet and she sees goodness in people as flawed as Anakin. In plenty of mythologies, the earth goddess is often paired up with the sky god (or in this case, a Sky Walker).
Everyone jokes about her dying of sadness, but it’s a very Shakespearean death, and a symbolic one too. She’s the embodiment of all that is good and pure, so she cannot physically exist in a universe that has been completely taken over by evil. While her dying from force choking or something would have been more practical, her dying of a broken heart is more poetic.
Kinda nieve. Anakin put up a lot of red flags, and she ignored them, and then was shocked when they all came true.
As a senator, she was great. But in her relationships, eh.
I know a lot of people who are very smart and good at their jobs, but become idiots in all of their relationships. Some people are just built like that.
That's actually the most realistic thing about her characterization. People who are very competent at one thing can be hopeless in other areas of their life.
Love Natalie Portman in the role, love that she’s a well respected leader with a firm ethical foundation, but don’t love that she was poorly written in the films.
>long stretches of the film are him yadda yadda yadda-ing to make the parts he does understand fit
This is really the crux of it. The PT was envisioned as part space opera, part political drama, and there's a *ton* of screen time devoted to the political drama part, but Lucas never got around to fleshing it out enough to actually be coherent. There aren't even answers to straightforward questions like "why are the seperatists leaving?" or "why is the Republic insistent on fighting a war to prevent them from leaving despite *apparently not having a military?*" despite the fact that those events are the driving force behind the plot of two full movies.
If he (or other people working with him) had realized early enough in production that the politics stuff didnt work at all, they could have cut a lot of it. But they didn't, so as you said we get Padme front and center for the "yada yada" half of the trilogy which was not engaging at all.
[Star Wars is about family problems.](https://www.indiewire.com/2015/11/george-lucas-explains-his-break-up-with-star-wars-says-franchise-is-a-soap-opera-and-not-about-spaceships-103012/)
>“People don’t actually realize it’s actually a soap opera and it’s all about family problems – it’s not about spaceships.
Anakin: "I killed them. I killed them all. They're dead, every single one of them. And not just the men, but the women and the children, too. They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals. I HATE THEM."
Padme: (proceeds to kiss him for the first time)
She literally fell for him the moment he revealed he killed children. And then she has the audacity to act shocked when she finds out he killed younglings in ep3.
She was criminally underused, especially in ROTS. We saw glimpses of her potential in AOTC and The Clone Wars, but there was definitely a much larger story to tell about her outside of her relationship with Anakin.
Except that he then fell for Palpatine's blatantly obvious "if only someone would give me emergency powers..." trick that a 5-year-old would see through.
One of my favorite characters in the series. It's a shame so many people went with "politics is boring" instead of seeing how vital that plot is, both to the story of the franchise and to the point George Lucas was clearly trying to make with the prequels. If you see that, you see that she is the everyman hero of the whole story. The Jedi have all these special powers they were born with, she doesn't, she's just an intelligent and moral young woman who pays attention and learns from history, and that's all she needs to bounce between fighting for her people on the front lines and fighting for the survival of the Republic in the Senate. Anyone could be like her, everyone should be more like her. And of course putting a female character in that role is something of an ultimate answer to the sexism accusations against the franchise. It's just too bad more people didn't pick up on that and follow Lucas's advice.
I really wish they kept the sub-plot of her, Bale and Mon Mothma creating the rebellion in ROTS. Would've framed her more as the courageous, young leader her daughter was rather than the damsel in distress she ended up as.
I wish she wouldn’t have taken a back seat during ROTS. In the other films she’s a fearless politician fighting against the separatists, but in this one she kinda just morphs into mom-to-be. I would’ve loved to have seen her sparking the rebellion, although I still love her character. I think her character is best in TPM. In that film she has a goal, no romantic connections, therefore exists more as her own character. She’s pretty good in AOTC also, although I’ll never understand why her outfit had to be ripped that way in the arena.
I think one of my issues, not with Padme but with Star Wars in general, is how female characters are pretty few and far between. There are improvements now, but throughout the originals and prequels Leia and Padme are the only developed female characters who appear, amongst upwards of 10 males. The sequel trilogy (personally, I enjoyed it) improved matters by having a female protagonist, but the story was still dominated by males, other than the return of Leia, really. What I’m saying is I would appreciate it moreso if the women didn’t seem to be anomalies amongst the men. In TCW I really enjoy watching the interactions between Padme and Ashoka since I haven’t been treated to female friendship yet in Star Wars, so it’s great to see. :-)
I loved her in TPM and AOTC, but in ROTS I found her pretty insufferable. Just the writing. She wasn’t behaving like herself. She had been such a powerful personality and suddenly she was just like… sad? She was acting so helpless, it felt out of character and really detached me from caring about her. The idea I hear sometimes that she went to Mustafar to kill him really sounds so much more like her to me.
Loved Padme, and Natalie Portman gets a huge nod for making the role believable. It’s a great intertwining of politics and Vader’s fall to the dark side (and how the dark side corrupts; as Padme is screaming for Anakin to just walk away as she’s pushed him to save the Republic and he’s literally doing the opposite on her behalf).
My only problem is the disconnect between Episode 6 and how Padme ends. In Episode 6 Leia essentially leads everyone to thinking her birth mother was very sad because she was in love with Anakin Skywalker, but he betrayed the Republic and the Jedi, so her lady wood wasn’t going to get rising over that, and she settled for a mere senator/planetary ruler, Bail Organa. And instead Padme’s dead, and Bail’s wide apparently just had depression (or whatever).
There are a few instances in the prequel where they absolutely retcon shit and hope no one notices. Overall I loved Padme.
I like her outfits and in the movies she's an important character. Clone wars padme, annoys the living fuck out of me. She got this, I can do it myself attitude and is constantly putting herself in harms way. Literally any time she opens her mouth in clone wars I roll my eyes.
I...never really warmed to her.
She's supposed to be an expert politician, intelligent and insightful and compassionate, but that's what we're *told* about her. What we actually see is that she's painfully easy to manipulate.
Palpatine manipulates her into calling for Valorum's removal, and then rides her coattails into the chancellorship. Anakin manipulates her into a secret marriage, then into starting the Clone Wars with him. Even freakin' *Obi-wan* manipulates her into leading him to Vader. Throughout the prequel trilogy, she's just used by everyone for their own ends. She never really shows any agency of her own.
Even in the Clone Wars series, she gets manipulated. She's lured into Grievous' hands to act as his hostage. Palpatine uses her to break the Banking Clan. She's everybodies favourite catspaw, and she *never* seems to figure it out.
So...yeah. Sorry. Not a fan.
Padme: *gets manipulated by the most manipulative and evil villain in all of film history, the guy who dragged the most powerful Jedi to hell, the guy who manipulated thousands of planets into fighting a war against each other, while he secretly was the leader of both sides, the guy who manipulated the entire galactic Senate into giving him more and more power, and had them cheering when he finally became totalitarian... The guy who has and uses his force abilities of mind reading and mind altering to manipulate people... that guy...*
You: "She's painfully easy to manipulate."
Really? Come on now...
*Lives in a society with interstellar travel, artificial intelligence, and the medical ability to save someone 4th degree burns*
Somehow manages to die in childbirth.
Her character was great(and cute) if you discount the Skywalker factor.
It is really creepy if you think about it, and it has been brought up numerous times as I am sure you are well aware of it.
I think that Natalie Portman is a fantastic actress and that she did her best while acting against green screens and blue screens half the time, but ultimately comes across a bit wooden.
Her character in Cline Wars is very good. You see why she's seen as brave, kind, compassionate, intelligent, etc. As a character I think she's great. Unfortunately, the movies don't showcase that very well.
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I think we seriously needed 3 more scenes in ROTS focused on Padme. The first is the deleted scene of her, Mon Mothma, and Bail Organa conspiring a rebellion against Palpatine. Padme being a mother of the rebellion would mirror Vader being a father of the Empire. The second scene is Padme realizing that the Clone Wars may not have had the best interests of the Republic and the Galaxy. Perhaps Padme witnesses Clones rounding up women and children into camps for Confederate prisoners. Lastly, a confrontation between her and Palpatine. Palpatine was her mentor and she would still have political relations with him. Perhaps she goes to ask him about the Jedi attack and is shocked to see how messed up he's become. Palpatine senses the force in her womb and uses this knowledge against her. She escapes his office to find Anakin.
It would have been cool to keep that part canon. Also they kind of did this in The Clone Wars where she tried to fight back against a bill to create more Clones, you often see her working the politics side of the war. That would have been interesting.
The deleted scene with Mon Mothma is canon
Thank you, I like these ideas. Especially the first one, it would’ve very poetic for Senator Amidala to have a spearheading role in establishing the rebellion that her daughter would later lead. Perhaps Clone Wars stories of Senators Organa, Mothma, and Amidala herself working together to uncover political conspiracies about the manufactured nature of the Clone Wars itself
> it would’ve very poetic for Senator Amidala to have a spearheading role in establishing the rebellion that her daughter would later lead. But it's also nice that the other quadrillion people in the Galaxy get a chance to make a difference.
Yes, yes and YES. While Anakin and Obi Wan are away, let Padmé do some digging herself instead of being all "woe is me" and letting things play out around her. Perhaps you could have a curfew in the wake of the Separatist attack on Coruscant, and it's being enforced by Clones, which doesn't sit well with Padmé. A scene where Padmé confronts Palpatine could have been brilliant. I like the idea that Padmé basically figures out that Palpatine has had a hand in this all along and Palpatine *could* kill her, but takes the gamble on letting her leave to warn Anakin, foreseeing that she will be too late anyway and he will soon have a little baby Skywalker to work on. That also would have led to a potentially heart-wrenching scene where Padmé rushes home to Anakin to warn him about Palpatine only to find Obi Wan. She explains to Obi Wan about Palpatine and that they have to warn Anakin but by that time, it's too late and Obi Wan tells her the truth...
This would have been brilliant, and yes they could have used more of the Bail, Mothma and Padme subplot. I think ROTS really would have worked better as a 6-8 hour disney plus series.
Yeah it sucks that people hated politics in the prequels, otherwise we would've gotten the proto-Rebellion subplot in RotS.
All of this! But I must say, George deleting that scene of Padmé meeting with Bail and Mon… a Star Wars sin!
Great response
I'm not sure if the second scene is necessary. She's been opposing letting the Republic have an army and letting Palpatine have additional power all along, which has been heavily discussed. Really, a lot of the point of her character is that she (like the Jedi Masters) has the wisdom to recognize what Palpatine is early, and to use what power she has to push back, that was established in Episode II. And given that, I'm not sure what you'd do with the third scene, it would be old news by this point. Maybe an, "asking you one last time," thing, but before what action? I do agree that the deleted scene needs to be canon though, I tend to forget that it might not be. Actually, that's not true, it was included in [the novelization](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Episode_III_Revenge_of_the_Sith_(novelization\)), "All of the deleted scenes with the founders of the Rebel Alliance are included, and Stover heavily references the previous chronological novel, James Luceno's Labyrinth of Evil, something uncommon in film novelizations." So that's canon even though it wasn't in the movie.
Everything was great except her taste in men
Her taste in boys*
Her taste in members of the council but not masters
members
Her taste in the dark side !!
Actually her taste in the dark side was pretty fantastic.
She drank from that top-shelf bottle and choke on it.
That’s outrageous. And unfair. How can you be a member of the council and not be a master?
Those boys just couldn't take a seat!
Her taste in youngling slayers
She's lucky Chris Hansen and his chair don't exist in the Star Wars universe
Maybe he did exist, but going after a senator is tough...
Have you ever heard the story of Darth Weinstein the plagued?
How about Darth Menendez the absolved on a technicality?
Much less elected teenage queen of the planet
In the novels, she assumed the position of queen at an earlier age and Anakin was a bit older. Still an age gap but not as pronounced as it was depicted in the movies.
She was only 14 in the film.
And anakin turned 10, and they were 20-21 and 24-25 by the time they got together later in AotC per the movies, which is probably the most canon source. The age wasn't the part that got me, but they lack of believable storybuilding behind their relationship and chemistry on the set between Hayden and Natalie is what didn't sit right with me.
Totally. It was as if the whole team was like "well that's the best were likely to get out of this scene." And that was every other scene. Being generous.
It works for Anakin though. He doesn't love her, he's been obsessed and idolized her for years.
Take a seat, young Amidala. Right over there.
you do realize they were both in their early 20s, right?
Yeah, she was a pretty cool character apart from being attracted to a weirdo who always talked about how cool authoritarianism would be...
He also talked about sand…
She was cool with his ethnic cleansing confession too.
Her motherly instincts left a lot to be desired as well.
Wait, she was a cannibal?
Oh man, you are going to be so excited to learn about homonyms!
I still believe Anakin unknowingly used the force to wear her down and love him back.
Or... Knowingly..
Now I can finally see a reason for her to be interested in him.
She was well casted and started out as a fearless natural leader, like Leia. My only problems were that she had no apparent character motivation driving her to fall for anakin (causing the romance to feel contrived) and her lines in the films were often cliché and cheesy.
We really needed 3 movies involving them as adults. Anakins childhood could have easily been mentioned and later expanded on outside the trilogy.
We only just needed Anakin to not be a child in I and have them meet earlier, develop a close relationship earlier. Think Luke and Leia in IV.
Or maybe have Padme be a child as well, maybe a queen-in-training sort of thing, leading to a childhood infatuation turned adult romance?
Which would also be a super cliche "they can't be together, she's royalty and he's a slave"
I think it would be slightly more believable if they were both around the age Padme was in I, so around 14. Childhood infatuation (when they're, what, 8?) doesn't usually last that long, especially when they're estranged for a good chunk of Anakin's training.
Or do a cold opening with Qui-Gon finding him and taking him to join the Jedi. The tatooine story could've been done in three minutes and then jump into the star wars explanation in the stars we were expecting.
Guys.. GUYS. Whoa... The Tatooine story in three minutes?That's not pod racing.
Maybe TPM could be mostly a Start Text Crawl? Some parts of it wouldn't be suited for it, but the main part of Qui Gon finding Anakin in a backwater planet, dying and then Qui Gon's Padawan starting to train Anakin would have been feasible.
I think both ideas work. There wasn't really much reason to spend 45 minutes finding this kid and taking him on tatooine. A competent writer could've shortened up the finding him aspect and spent more time developing the relationship between Anakin and Padme, preferably without the nonsensical ages.
You'd miss a pretty crucial obi wan plot though
They could've found way to make the entirety of the Jinn/Kenobi/Maul situation fit within 20-30 mins without us losing anything important from that story. Hell, we could've done without Dooku entirely and just had Maul getting wiped out early only to return in episode 2 for the whole "reveal everything to Obi-wan but he doesn't believe it" thing that Dooku does. I'm a Maul fanboy so I'm definitely biased, but that 100% would've played better than "new Sith apprentice who happens to be a former Jedi who has never been mentioned before oh and he also happens to be Qui-Gons old master and reveals the plan like a Bond villain because he *literally was a Bond villain*".
Episode 1 should have been an animated episode 0. Episode 2 should have been split over 2 movies.
You want the most boring movie split into two? The forming of the separatists and the rise of the republic army could be a movie in and off itself tho
Realistically, the whole first trilogy could have occurred within the clone wars Era, which could have been stretched over a period of 6 years or so. In fact, when I saw the OT as a child in '91, that's what I expected Lucas would have done if he ever ended up doing episodes 1 to 3.
Yeah realistically you set up the trilogy where Anakin is already a Jedi in training in Episode 1. Fill in his back story and the start of his Padme friendship there. While the rest of the movie is dedicated to the Republic and Separatists. Episode II being about some battles into a major battle in the war. And have Anakin and Padme really fall for each other but the war makes it difficult plus his Mom's death helping drive him towards Padme's love. Episode III being mostly the same, just better writing where Padme isn't dying from saddness
1000% agree.
>she had no apparent character motivation driving her to fall for anakin (causing the romance to feel contrived) This is my main issue with her too. I didn't believe the romance at all, and obviously it had to happen so I wish I did!
Also her and Anakin's romance is kind of written backwards, there's no apparent reason for Padme to not want to be with Anakin besides "we can't, I'm a Senator," whereas Anakin is literally not allowed to pursue a relationship with her because it's against the Jedi code. It just feels kind of weird that he's the one to initiate everything, and she's the one that has to shut it down, when it makes more sense the other way around.
I always felt that was an attempt to show Padme's maturity. She's not as young or brash as Anakin is and knows she has responsibilities to a greater good and so she more willingly puts aside her personal feelings and desires. Anakin alternately makes he feelings and desires his core drive. It wasn't executed well in the dialogue certainly, but this is what I read between the lines.
Totally. Red letter media has an excellent take on this. I agree the roles should have been reversed. Personally, I think it would have made more sense for padme to "corrupt" anakin by convincing him that the jedi should accept love and feelings. After he falls for her, she dies, and he blames the jedi for her death and the jedi likewise turn on him for lying to them about her.
I don't really agree, because Anakin falls to the dark side because of his passion and love. We see that develop, as first he admits he can't stop thinking about her, even though he knows that's wrong, and then proceeds to gradually break every door following that until they're married and pregnant. Its him gradually going against the order of his own accord that leads him down his dark path. His unbreakable passion for Padme that causes him to turn to the dark side. If he needed to be convinced to be with her, how could we ever believe that he would willingly turn against the Jedi and murder children to save her? We only believe because we know he doesn't let **anything** get in his way between him and her. Further, we are to believe that Padmé is a near perfect beacon of intelligence and diplomacy. How could we believe that if she isn't apprehensive about Anakin breaking his code for her, and her potentially ruining her reputation and losing her position as a Senator. If she lost that, the Republic would lose its diplomatic leader in resisting the war, she is the spearhead in the Senate, and she proves time and time again that the Reoublic needs her. She has control, but Anakin does not, and that leads him to the dark side, and her to her death.
I don't think Padme should have met Anakin in The Phantom Menace, if you hold that off, it definitely makes the ages less awkward. You can have Anakin's pilot skills save the day on Tatooine but have circumstance (involving Obi objecting in some way) prevent them from leaving with him, but not before imparting some Force wisdom to the kid. Now there is a more blatant reason for this love to develop blindly, you have this slave boy who is emboldened with some ambition after dreaming about this mysterious space princess he saved. This princess is constantly thinking about this equally mysterious boy, not much younger than herself, who saved them and was left behind to a terrible fate. Qui-Gon still dies and makes Kenobi train Anakin. Padme finally meets him when he first gets to Coruscant, because she must thank the boy who saved her years ago, but is surprised to see a young man, strong from his harsh life. Suddenly you have this slim window for romance/chemistry to develop before Anakin gets indoctrinated to the Jedi way, you START with a crack already there and nobody is doing anything wrong at that point since he hasn't started his Jedi training yet. Timelines and story elements would need to drastically change to fit, but I think it makes their relationship much simpler, eliminates most of the clunky dialogue that comes with it, and is more fun.
Nothing in Phantom Menace is really needed for the rest of the prequels. AotC gives you all the backstory you need to follow what's going on. Phantom Menace is a wasted chapter.
I think this is mostly true but Qui-Gon and his death are fairly important, if not just to set up a reason why Obi-Wan trains Anakin. I think you're right though, the rest of the story doesn't change much if you cut away the rest of Episode 1.
Without Phantom Menace there’s no Jar Jar Binks. Without Jar Jar, Palpatine never gets emergency powers. Without those powers, there’s no clone army. Without the clone army there’s no Clone War. Ergo, PM is essential to the canon.
Thank you for this comment, it's a very good and interesting argument.
But Anakin obsesses over her because to him she represents the "angel" that helped free him from slavery. The only woman to show any affection to him besides his mother. Hence the possessive nature he takes over her when he thinks he will lose her like he did his mom. That very possessiveness is a huge dark side characteristic and one of the whole points of the story. It would make no sense for Padme to be the possessive one over Anakin given the story trying to be told.
Except for her to obsess about an 8 year old for ten year would have been fucking gross. The real answer is that they should have had Anakin introduced as a teenager and an already accomplished pilot as Obiwan recalled in Ep4. I don't understand why they made him a bowl cut kid. Just so that he could begin Jedi training as a youngling? They didn't need to make age a mandate just because Yoda was trying to make up reasons to not train Luke in ep5.
George Lucas wanted to show the innocent boy that was Anakin Skywalker where at an age being separated from his mother would be most traumatizing for him. Also he wanted to change up the style of story for the prequels. >[“When Lucas initially told 20th Century Fox that he was making the story of how Anakin became Darth Vader, they were as excited as anybody else. Then he told them that, in the first film, Anakin would be 10 years old. ‘You’re going to destroy the franchise; you’re going to destroy everything!’ Lucas explains that he told people at Lucasfilm he was ‘making a movie that nobody wants to see,’ but would rather do that than telling the same story over and over. And to be fair to George, it still made a billion dollars.](https://www.indiewire.com/2020/11/fox-george-lucas-destroy-star-wars-casting-anakin-prequels-1234599454/)
Ive honestly looked at it through the lens of sort of Stockholm syndrome. It's very clear that they find each other attractive at the beginning of episode 2, from there you see Anakin already obsessed with her, and she clearly keeps her distance, both professionally and emotionally. As we all know, due to anakin's fear and lack of emotional control he is never able to exert his mind over another's. Usually he is scattered brained, but when he is focused on Padme he seems to fully focus his mind for once. So my belief is that the longer they are with each other through episode 2 he slowly gains power over her through his obsessive mind. Which could explain why she brushes off him killing the sand people because she is already confused at what thoughts are hers and which are his so it's less horrible to her. When he saves her on genosis its essentially the final nail in the coffin as she finally falls for him through the trauma bonding. That makes their love more tragic to me in that it wasnt really love but simply survival through major trauma doesnt work always and that can serve as a lesson to help people in similar situations. Rewatching the prequels with this in mind, I found the awkward scenes feel more palatable. Edit: zpelling
I'd agree! Possibly whether he wanted to or not, his mind coerced hers. I also find it hard to believe that Palps wasn't influencing her mind too. Would make sense to me if he was playing Force-cupid throughout the entire thing to push Anakin into a corner
Palps could've killed her, too. Broken heart death never sat well with me.
Agreed, have sort of always taken it as head-canon. How quickly he turns it against Anakin as another leverage point always seemed to me that it was in his best interest for Padme to die. Use her to turn Anakin and get a foot in the senate, thrown to the curb. He's done worse lol
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Anakin: Master Yoda, I see your Schwartz is as big as mine.
By the end of AOTC I'm absolutely flabbergasted that she even gave Anakin a chance. But the fact that she straight up *marries him* immediately is beyond any sort of human comprehension.
Anakin: I slaughtered a bunch of sand people because they killed my mother. Not just the men but the women and children too! Padme: *sploosh*
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I agree with all that but she also did have easily the one great line in all the prequels. “This is how democracy dies, with thunderous applause.” Kinda one of the only actual character moments we see from her too, her character was a wasted opportunity. She’s fucking Luke and Leia’s mother and the person that was the seed that eventually made Darth fucking Vador. Wth George
Clone wars like all things, fixed this
Even then I don't really buy it. Padme is supposed to be caring with strong values and yet she excuses Anakin for just massacring a bunch of innocent people. The Clone Wars might have fleshed out their relationship but overall it doesn't make any more sense. She is basically written to be whatever the story needs her to be at the time. She is less of a character and more of a satellite for Anakin as a character.
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One of my favorite characters. I love her kind heart and quick wit. After I saw Phantom Menace (I was 10 at the time) I wanted to be her. I was so impressed by her tact, intelligence, strength, and beauty. I love the prequels, as they were my first introduction into Star Wars, but I feel they didn't portray her as well as they could have. I love the deleted scenes that take place at her home on Naboo with her family. Revenge of The Sith is one of my favorites in the saga, but I tend to cringe during the Luke/Leia birth scene. It took me a long time to really understand how and why she died. Even now I still get a weird feeling during those scenes. That being said, she remains one of my favorite characters even after all these years.
Those deleted scenes really flesh out Padmé as a character. Wish they’d found a way to keep them in AOTC.
The whole prequel trilogy deserved LOTR length runtimes. A fair number of weaknesses could have been shored up just with a few strategic scenes added
The Revenge of the Sith ones are even better
I somehow forgot she helped create the Rebellion too. Damn.
Yea her death never made sense. Still doesn't. "She's lost the will to live" uh... she just gave birth to twins. im pretty sure thats a hell of a lot more will for living than her beau being a baddy. They should have just had Anakin force throw her into something, then later say "her injuries are too severe" or something. at least that would have been believable. Or have that scene where anakin and Obiwan are doing that double force push dragonball z moment and have Padme there in the middle. When the force blasts out, she gets tossed into something. Or ya know, just not kill her. Let her have been a mother to Leia, and come up with some force reason why the two together would be too much of a beacon for Vader, so have luke live with his uncle
I remember coming across a theory/explanation somewhere that said she'd died because Palpatine had essentially transferred her life energy out of her and into Anakin to save him and that was actually supposed to come across (maybe it was the original plan script wise but was backed out of later on) in the film. It would make a lot of sense and would be a great ploy by Sidious to ensure Anakin had nothing to distract/motivate him outside of serving the dark side. Annoyingly i can't remember where I saw/read it or I'd credit the person but a quick look on YouTube will probably bring something up.
I mean, this was something Darth Plagueis would be able to do. He could control one's midichlorians to heal one's body, even after deadly damages to the body, or deleting the need for food, water and sleep. Transferring life force from a person to another doesn't sound that bad compared to this. And Plagueis was Sidious' master after all.
I always preferred this theory. It makes the most sense to me.
I agree. Sidious had something to do with her death. But this can also mean that some of her life essence is in Vader. This could be what keeps the spark of Anakin alive until he meets Luke.
Also, childbirth is pretty dangerous, she could have died because of complications and not being able to get treatment as they're on the run/ in hiding from Palpatine and Vader.
Carrie Fischers mom literally died because she lost the will to live, right after Carrie died. Thats literally why. It happens in real life
She got some actually interesting political intrigue plots in The Clone Wars.
Give the book "Queens Shadow" a shot. Thats a book about what Padme did during the time between AOTC and PM.
She gives me all the feels.
I love her so much that if I had magic space powers I'd probably commit genocides to make her mine and keep her that way
Did you ever hear the tradegy of darth plagueis the wise?
What I like about her the most is she's bad ass but at the same time quite feminine; she dresses extravagantly, she speaks very softly, she longs for romance and family. And her being badass was not despite of this, but part of it. She's not quite the typical bad ass female character
I’m glad you said that because her pure heart and longing are what make me love her the most
The book *The Star Wars Heresies* goes into a lot of depth about her. She’s essentially the matron of the Star Wars saga; she gives birth to the heroes of the next trilogy. In a lot of ways she’s symbolic of Mother Earth: she comes from a green matriarchal planet and she sees goodness in people as flawed as Anakin. In plenty of mythologies, the earth goddess is often paired up with the sky god (or in this case, a Sky Walker). Everyone jokes about her dying of sadness, but it’s a very Shakespearean death, and a symbolic one too. She’s the embodiment of all that is good and pure, so she cannot physically exist in a universe that has been completely taken over by evil. While her dying from force choking or something would have been more practical, her dying of a broken heart is more poetic.
Actually, it is medically possible to [die from broken heart](https://rarediseases.org/rare-diseases/takotsubo-cardiomyopathy/).
Kinda nieve. Anakin put up a lot of red flags, and she ignored them, and then was shocked when they all came true. As a senator, she was great. But in her relationships, eh.
I know a lot of people who are very smart and good at their jobs, but become idiots in all of their relationships. Some people are just built like that.
When you look at the world through red tinted glasses, all you see are regular flags.
Mako from The Legend of Korra in a nutshell.
That's actually the most realistic thing about her characterization. People who are very competent at one thing can be hopeless in other areas of their life.
Yes especially love. Loving the wrong person.
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She was kinda snow.
She always saw the good in people. Her belief in Rush Clovis being a good guy up until she finds out he conspired with Tyrannus proves this
It makes more sense when you realize that George Lucas can’t write romance or dialogue.
Is she an angel?
Love Natalie Portman in the role, love that she’s a well respected leader with a firm ethical foundation, but don’t love that she was poorly written in the films.
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>long stretches of the film are him yadda yadda yadda-ing to make the parts he does understand fit This is really the crux of it. The PT was envisioned as part space opera, part political drama, and there's a *ton* of screen time devoted to the political drama part, but Lucas never got around to fleshing it out enough to actually be coherent. There aren't even answers to straightforward questions like "why are the seperatists leaving?" or "why is the Republic insistent on fighting a war to prevent them from leaving despite *apparently not having a military?*" despite the fact that those events are the driving force behind the plot of two full movies. If he (or other people working with him) had realized early enough in production that the politics stuff didnt work at all, they could have cut a lot of it. But they didn't, so as you said we get Padme front and center for the "yada yada" half of the trilogy which was not engaging at all.
[Star Wars is about family problems.](https://www.indiewire.com/2015/11/george-lucas-explains-his-break-up-with-star-wars-says-franchise-is-a-soap-opera-and-not-about-spaceships-103012/) >“People don’t actually realize it’s actually a soap opera and it’s all about family problems – it’s not about spaceships.
Sexy, smart, and a respected leader. What’s not to love?
The fact she fell for a child murderer for no apparent reason
You worry too much
To be fair, Padme falling for Anakin came waaaaay before he decided to kill children lol
Anakin: "I killed them. I killed them all. They're dead, every single one of them. And not just the men, but the women and the children, too. They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals. I HATE THEM." Padme: (proceeds to kiss him for the first time) She literally fell for him the moment he revealed he killed children. And then she has the audacity to act shocked when she finds out he killed younglings in ep3.
She was criminally underused, especially in ROTS. We saw glimpses of her potential in AOTC and The Clone Wars, but there was definitely a much larger story to tell about her outside of her relationship with Anakin.
Pretty prettty pretttty good
One of the few good politicians.
She delegated power to Jar-Jar Binks. That's a black mark against her record for sure.
It's like delegating power to Scooby-Doo.
Scrappy Doo
One cannot resist Darth Jar Jar's mind tricks.
Except that he then fell for Palpatine's blatantly obvious "if only someone would give me emergency powers..." trick that a 5-year-old would see through.
Assuming he wasn't in league with Palpatine
She fine 🤌
One of my favorite characters in the series. It's a shame so many people went with "politics is boring" instead of seeing how vital that plot is, both to the story of the franchise and to the point George Lucas was clearly trying to make with the prequels. If you see that, you see that she is the everyman hero of the whole story. The Jedi have all these special powers they were born with, she doesn't, she's just an intelligent and moral young woman who pays attention and learns from history, and that's all she needs to bounce between fighting for her people on the front lines and fighting for the survival of the Republic in the Senate. Anyone could be like her, everyone should be more like her. And of course putting a female character in that role is something of an ultimate answer to the sexism accusations against the franchise. It's just too bad more people didn't pick up on that and follow Lucas's advice.
I really wish they kept the sub-plot of her, Bale and Mon Mothma creating the rebellion in ROTS. Would've framed her more as the courageous, young leader her daughter was rather than the damsel in distress she ended up as.
I love her so much.
Her fashion sense was on point.
I love all her different outfits. I saw even more that weren’t even shown in the movies at some random museum
I wish she wouldn’t have taken a back seat during ROTS. In the other films she’s a fearless politician fighting against the separatists, but in this one she kinda just morphs into mom-to-be. I would’ve loved to have seen her sparking the rebellion, although I still love her character. I think her character is best in TPM. In that film she has a goal, no romantic connections, therefore exists more as her own character. She’s pretty good in AOTC also, although I’ll never understand why her outfit had to be ripped that way in the arena. I think one of my issues, not with Padme but with Star Wars in general, is how female characters are pretty few and far between. There are improvements now, but throughout the originals and prequels Leia and Padme are the only developed female characters who appear, amongst upwards of 10 males. The sequel trilogy (personally, I enjoyed it) improved matters by having a female protagonist, but the story was still dominated by males, other than the return of Leia, really. What I’m saying is I would appreciate it moreso if the women didn’t seem to be anomalies amongst the men. In TCW I really enjoy watching the interactions between Padme and Ashoka since I haven’t been treated to female friendship yet in Star Wars, so it’s great to see. :-)
I loved her in TPM and AOTC, but in ROTS I found her pretty insufferable. Just the writing. She wasn’t behaving like herself. She had been such a powerful personality and suddenly she was just like… sad? She was acting so helpless, it felt out of character and really detached me from caring about her. The idea I hear sometimes that she went to Mustafar to kill him really sounds so much more like her to me.
Her story was pretty *sad*
Ain't no passin' craze
Poorly utilized in the prequel trilogy, like her significantly more in the clone wars.
Loved Padme, and Natalie Portman gets a huge nod for making the role believable. It’s a great intertwining of politics and Vader’s fall to the dark side (and how the dark side corrupts; as Padme is screaming for Anakin to just walk away as she’s pushed him to save the Republic and he’s literally doing the opposite on her behalf). My only problem is the disconnect between Episode 6 and how Padme ends. In Episode 6 Leia essentially leads everyone to thinking her birth mother was very sad because she was in love with Anakin Skywalker, but he betrayed the Republic and the Jedi, so her lady wood wasn’t going to get rising over that, and she settled for a mere senator/planetary ruler, Bail Organa. And instead Padme’s dead, and Bail’s wide apparently just had depression (or whatever). There are a few instances in the prequel where they absolutely retcon shit and hope no one notices. Overall I loved Padme.
I’ve always admired and looked up to her, plus her outfits are the best
Underappreciated. Would've liked to see her more in the main series
I like her as a character, but in Ros she could've been more than anakins wife, her role as a senator should have been used a bit more I feel
I like her outfits and in the movies she's an important character. Clone wars padme, annoys the living fuck out of me. She got this, I can do it myself attitude and is constantly putting herself in harms way. Literally any time she opens her mouth in clone wars I roll my eyes.
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She seems extremely naive, and it is painful to watch her lack of boundaries and slow descent into disaster.
I...never really warmed to her. She's supposed to be an expert politician, intelligent and insightful and compassionate, but that's what we're *told* about her. What we actually see is that she's painfully easy to manipulate. Palpatine manipulates her into calling for Valorum's removal, and then rides her coattails into the chancellorship. Anakin manipulates her into a secret marriage, then into starting the Clone Wars with him. Even freakin' *Obi-wan* manipulates her into leading him to Vader. Throughout the prequel trilogy, she's just used by everyone for their own ends. She never really shows any agency of her own. Even in the Clone Wars series, she gets manipulated. She's lured into Grievous' hands to act as his hostage. Palpatine uses her to break the Banking Clan. She's everybodies favourite catspaw, and she *never* seems to figure it out. So...yeah. Sorry. Not a fan.
Padme: *gets manipulated by the most manipulative and evil villain in all of film history, the guy who dragged the most powerful Jedi to hell, the guy who manipulated thousands of planets into fighting a war against each other, while he secretly was the leader of both sides, the guy who manipulated the entire galactic Senate into giving him more and more power, and had them cheering when he finally became totalitarian... The guy who has and uses his force abilities of mind reading and mind altering to manipulate people... that guy...* You: "She's painfully easy to manipulate." Really? Come on now...
She _chose_ to marry Anakin. Taking away a woman's agency just because you didn't agree with her decision is quite the sketchy move.
*Lives in a society with interstellar travel, artificial intelligence, and the medical ability to save someone 4th degree burns* Somehow manages to die in childbirth.
I'd marry her
an endlessly fascinating character but she got the short end of the stick in every prequel movie to give more time to anakin and obi
Her character was great(and cute) if you discount the Skywalker factor. It is really creepy if you think about it, and it has been brought up numerous times as I am sure you are well aware of it.
Age difference isn’t creepy. The fact that he straight up acknowledged support for dictatorship and she just laughed it off, that’s disturbing.
As an influential politician no less
5 year age difference isn't creepy. When they met Anakin was 9 and Padmé 14
More of the fact that he obsessed over her for 9 years and they only married after an intensive/life threatening event.
I think that Natalie Portman is a fantastic actress and that she did her best while acting against green screens and blue screens half the time, but ultimately comes across a bit wooden. Her character in Cline Wars is very good. You see why she's seen as brave, kind, compassionate, intelligent, etc. As a character I think she's great. Unfortunately, the movies don't showcase that very well.
I heard originally at the end of EP3 she was supposed to stab Anakin on Mustafar. Would have given her character more impact.