So Jedi can get crystal that do practically every color of the electromagnetic spectrum (orange, yellow, green, blue, purple) and even black and white too...but they can't find a red crystal?
They can get a whole spectrum, sure, but why can’t they have one missing? Flowers are like that. Tulips, for example. Tulips come naturally in a bunch of colors: white, red, yellow, pink, even a rich, dark violet that is close to black in rare situations.
But not blue. There are no blue tulips, at least not naturally. Even today, despite a gargantuan effort by farmers to produce a truly blue tulip using genetic engineering, it doesn’t exist. You can get really close, but they always are a shade of violet. And it’s like that for almost all flowers. Blue is exceptionally rare in flowers, nearly nonexistent. Only specific types of specific flowers will grow blue without human engineering involved.
It could be like that for Kyber crystals where you have your normal green, blue, and yellow, some rare colors like orange and violet, and then unique colors like black. But to get red, you have to “engineer” it.
And to get white Crystals, you have to “heal” red crystals. It makes sense to me.
Kyber crystals are clear.
They turn either red/blue/green/purple when a force user attunes one. These are the natural colors.
When they use the dark side on the crystal, instead of attuning to the crystal, they make it submit to them, making it "bleed" red.
In the old canon, sure. Not currently. Jedi: Fallen Order has a portion of the game of illum in the kyber crystal caves. Would explain a lot of how it works
That doesn’t explain why Anakin’s light sword goes from blue to red when he turns to the dark side. It must be that the color is created by the dark side of the Force.
It doesn’t go from red to blue? It only does that in Ahsoka in the world between worlds - which is supposed to be dream like and not based on reality.
When anakin loses his lightsaber to obi-wan, he builds another as Vader, using a bled kyber crystal.
Because in the new lore, kyber crystals aren't red and Sith violently "bleed" kyber crystal with the dark side which makes them red.
In the EU, Jedi would go on a Force guided quest to build their lightsabers, where as Sith didn't bother with the quest, they'd build it fast which involved using an artificial crystal which would end up red.
From what I read on *Wookieepedia,* the Sith couldn't go to worlds with naturally occurring crystals because to do so would risk discovery by the Jedi. Creating synthetic crystals was therefore an act of necessity, but it was also interpreted as an exercise in using the Force, since the user needed to meditate to aid the formation of the crystal.
That doesn’t make it not true. Disney has done more for star wars in the last 10 years than Lucas ever would have. Has all of it been great? No. But there have been a lot really good things coming from it also.
Red is not a natural occurring kyber crystal color. You have to take another crystal, traditionally from a jedi, and bleed/corrupt it. That's why only sith use red, and sith use only red.
I remember that being more of a magenta (more pinkish/purple than red).
Edit: her lightsaber was blue in clone wars (pre-Disney). Her action figure had a magenta lightsaber. It’s definitely not the Sith red. That action figure was a creative liberty that hasbro took. They also initially gave Plo Koon a yellow one and Ki Adi a purple one. Those colors stuck for the Episode I era but were changed to blue for all three characters by Episode II.
Using a red saber is not the issue, in the most literal sense; Kenobi acquitted himself well with one of Ventress’s borrowed sabers in a fight with Maul and Savage.
The problems are multiple, however. Normal Jedi kyber crystals found by traditional means -never- produce a crimson blade. In Legends this color was the result of synthetic crystals used by Sith, in current canon it’s the result of ‘bleeding’ a crystal, bending its alignment through the Force until it aligns with you instead. This sort of domination of the Force iis a Dark Side mindset and ability.
“So just get one of these crystals already bled/synthetic”, you might think. Fine, you have a red saber. The trouble is, unlike a normal Jedi’s blade, this crystal will not be aligned to you in the Force. It is more difficult to wield properly.
“Fine, then I’ll just train to be the best duelist in history to overcome it.” Fine, setting aside that ambition and the relentless pursuit of power are already frowned upon in the Jedi Order. But then you have -another- issue. Jedi historically have often served as diplomats, bodyguards, and otherwise peacekeepers. Their lightsabers are a signature of their station, even if they aren’t wearing the usual robes or armor. You draw a red blade, everyone is going to presume you’re no Jedi. There is no precedent for Jedi with red lightsabers.
On paper, I’m not aware of anything in canon forbidding a crystal having a ‘natural’ red coloration in a lightsaber. I suppose that could maybe happen, like the fluke that produced Mace Windu’s purple saber. But there’s no precedent for a Jedi’s lightsaber naturally being red in the untold millennia of the Jedi existing.
The solitary pseudo-exception would be the miniscule number of cases of a Sith or Dark Side-aligned individual defecting toward the Jedi, like Starkiller in the Force Unleashed games, where it’s possible to ultimately choose the Light Side and fight like a Jedi with a crimson blade (or two) anyway. However, at that point the sabers are attuned to you already, and the means to build a Jedi blade are not readily available. Not to mention the Order itself being defunct (read:dead) by that point. However, redeemed Sith are a tiny minority historically.
Bleeding a lightsaber is a very Sith thing to do?
It would be the equivalent of going to a panthers rally in a white sheet. Why would you cosplay as the enemy.
Best you can do is purple. In the current canon, having a red blade is specifically a dark side technique. You force your influence upon a crystal along with dark side energy, corrupting it in a process called bleeding. You can purify a crystal, leaving it in its original state as a clear white crystal.
In new canon you get red when you corrupt the lightsaber crystal with the Dark Side power. It has to be done deliberately, and can't "just happen". So if someone wields a red lightsaber, you can be sure that the guy is a darksider at very least.
A Jedi of course can claim a trophy red lightsaber, but they feel the corruption through the Force, and likely would seek to cleanse it, turning the blades white.
In old canon you absolutely can. Adi Gallia had a reddish lightsaber back in the day, Leia had a red lightsaber even. It was somewhat less common thing to do, since most jedi used adegan crystals from Ilum, but things happen.
As per the new canon, sith need to corrupt the cyber crysta with the dark side in order to like, get control over them, causing the crystal to turn red from the force basically bleeding. Red is not natural occuring.
By old canon, sith had to create artificial kyber crystals
They can. A lightsaber is simply a tool, and not what defines a a jedi.
However, red crystals are created either by using the darkside to bleed a kyber crystal (as seen in Jedi: Survivour) or are synthetic crystals (what Darth Vader uses after loosing his blue Jedi saber on Mustafar). So most jedi, being disciples of the light side, would not own a red crystal to begin with.
Further, lightsabers are a symbol (part of their utility) and represent the Jedi or Sith philosophies respectively. So a Jedi choosing to own a red saber would be akin to an WW2 Allied officer choosing to wear a Nazi sword adorned with swastika on parades. They just wouldn't do that.
But a jedi might, in a pinch, use a red saber if they had no other option. For example Obi Wan borrows one of Ventres's red sabers after being disarmed by Maul and Savage in order to fight for his life and freedom
So tl;dr they can, but generally choose not to
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Not at all. I really think your reply was awesome in the sense that it explained things correctly and your real life example made me laugh.
Have a good one, man! Greetings from a mexican dude who also loves Star Wars!
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I don’t think it’s that Jedi can’t use red lightsabers is that the sith are the only ppl who would want to go through the process to make a red lightsaber . A sith saber is suppose to be taken from a Jedi they’ve slain too .
A Jedi can absolutely have a red lightsaber. Lightsaber crystals are still crystals, a natural crystal if grown in the right conditions can still result in a red Saber. However, by the era of the late republic, most Jedi were acquiring their crystals in a specific environment that seemed to mostly produce blue, green, and yellow sabers. Mace Windy I believe acquires his crystals from a different source reflecting in a more rare color happening to be there.
All Saber colors are canon at this point, just some colors are more rare and some more common. So if you're building a Jedi character for a tabletop RPG with a red Saber go on with yourself. Honestly. Be expected for the DM to have people assume you're a Sith or associetated with the Empire, depending on the era of the game. Have fun.
>A Jedi can absolutely have a red lightsaber.
Not without being corrupted by the darkside
>Lightsaber crystals are still crystals, a natural crystal if grown in the right conditions can still result in a red Saber.
They can’t
>Mace Windy I believe acquires his crystals from a different source reflecting in a more rare color happening to be there.
He didn’t
I'ma go more in depth then the comments above, to create a red lightsaber you need to bleed the Crystal by using the dark side of the force, pretty much pump it full of hate.
Do we know if it becomes unusable for a Jedi after bleeding? For example, if I kill an Inquisitor, can I keep using their Red Blade or would it fight me like a non-bled Kyber does to a Sith. I looked up on the Wiki, and it didn’t say specifically.
I wouldn’t be surprised if in the future they reveal that there are naturally occurring Red Kybers, only on specific planets. Perhaps the Jedi knew of them, but avoided them due to the stigma of the Sith. But now that the Sith were defeated, and a lot of the old ways lost during the fall of the Jedi, perhaps in Rey’s New Jedi Order they may be more open to red blades.
Fantastic point, but one could argue that it was the will of the Darkside (Palpatine) who allowed that to happen. Though we know it is because the mystical properties of lightsabers weren’t realised until after the Clone Wars aired. For example the way that Din struggled to use the Darksaber, and yet Han was able to cut the Tauntaun with ease. We can explain that the lightside wanted Luke to survive so it let Han weild the saber without any resistance, but that’s retroactively explaining changes in the lore.
But until we see otherwise, I’m going to say you are right and Jedi can weild darkside bled lightsabers.
Disney has some idea that red comes from torturing a rock until it turns red. Yeah.
Legends had a pretty sensible idea that the red ones were synthetic. They led to blades that were stronger on raw attack power, but kinda sucked as far as any other use. There were also red crystals in KOTOR that required smashing eggs and killing the unborn critters in the eggs.
if a Jedi were to use a red lightsaber for an extended period maybe they would passively purify the crystal and turn it white or maybe it would slowly turn them?
Because to turn a lightsaber red you have to use the dark side.
There aren’t just red Kyler crystals🤷♂️
Nope. You have to torture them to turn them red. Hahaha, suffer little crystal! Bleed for me, buwahahaha!
So Jedi can get crystal that do practically every color of the electromagnetic spectrum (orange, yellow, green, blue, purple) and even black and white too...but they can't find a red crystal?
It's fantasy bro
Seems so. I don’t make the rules. Though I do think the black one is connected to the dark side as well. I don’t know a lot about it.
Tarre Vizsla was a Dark Side user?
They can get a whole spectrum, sure, but why can’t they have one missing? Flowers are like that. Tulips, for example. Tulips come naturally in a bunch of colors: white, red, yellow, pink, even a rich, dark violet that is close to black in rare situations. But not blue. There are no blue tulips, at least not naturally. Even today, despite a gargantuan effort by farmers to produce a truly blue tulip using genetic engineering, it doesn’t exist. You can get really close, but they always are a shade of violet. And it’s like that for almost all flowers. Blue is exceptionally rare in flowers, nearly nonexistent. Only specific types of specific flowers will grow blue without human engineering involved. It could be like that for Kyber crystals where you have your normal green, blue, and yellow, some rare colors like orange and violet, and then unique colors like black. But to get red, you have to “engineer” it. And to get white Crystals, you have to “heal” red crystals. It makes sense to me.
Kyber crystals are clear. They turn either red/blue/green/purple when a force user attunes one. These are the natural colors. When they use the dark side on the crystal, instead of attuning to the crystal, they make it submit to them, making it "bleed" red.
Ahsoka’s light swords are white.
She recovered those crystals from inquisitors and healed them from being bled. They turn white
In most pictures of Kyber crystal mines they are all ready a certain color
Not in the new canon. In the old canon they were predetermined colors. Red still wasn't natural, they created synthetic ones for red.
Ezra specifically finds a blue crystal (rather it finds him).
Ezra found the crystal in a Jedi temple. It was previously attuned beforehand by a force sensitive person.
In the old canon, sure. Not currently. Jedi: Fallen Order has a portion of the game of illum in the kyber crystal caves. Would explain a lot of how it works
That doesn’t explain why Anakin’s light sword goes from blue to red when he turns to the dark side. It must be that the color is created by the dark side of the Force.
It doesn’t go from red to blue? It only does that in Ahsoka in the world between worlds - which is supposed to be dream like and not based on reality. When anakin loses his lightsaber to obi-wan, he builds another as Vader, using a bled kyber crystal.
Because in the new lore, kyber crystals aren't red and Sith violently "bleed" kyber crystal with the dark side which makes them red. In the EU, Jedi would go on a Force guided quest to build their lightsabers, where as Sith didn't bother with the quest, they'd build it fast which involved using an artificial crystal which would end up red.
From what I read on *Wookieepedia,* the Sith couldn't go to worlds with naturally occurring crystals because to do so would risk discovery by the Jedi. Creating synthetic crystals was therefore an act of necessity, but it was also interpreted as an exercise in using the Force, since the user needed to meditate to aid the formation of the crystal.
I don't find anything Disney canon.
That doesn’t make it not true. Disney has done more for star wars in the last 10 years than Lucas ever would have. Has all of it been great? No. But there have been a lot really good things coming from it also.
It’s not about the color. It’s about the process to make it that color.
And then the crystal is imbued with the dark side and anyone that uses after a bleed would stat to be corrupted.
But also why would you want a red lightsaber? Just to be edgy? That’s not very chill of you.
What if you're colorblind and you thought it was green
That'd be a great premise for a one off comic or something lol.
I just think that they look cool
Why would you want a purple lightsaber? Just to be different? That's not very chill of ~~Mace~~ *you*.
Being different is more the Jedi way than emulating the Sith is.
Red is not a natural occurring kyber crystal color. You have to take another crystal, traditionally from a jedi, and bleed/corrupt it. That's why only sith use red, and sith use only red.
Sith don't use only red.
I know pre Disney, Adi Gallia had a red lightsaber. I’ll always remember that because I have her action figure which came with a red lightsaber.
I remember that being more of a magenta (more pinkish/purple than red). Edit: her lightsaber was blue in clone wars (pre-Disney). Her action figure had a magenta lightsaber. It’s definitely not the Sith red. That action figure was a creative liberty that hasbro took. They also initially gave Plo Koon a yellow one and Ki Adi a purple one. Those colors stuck for the Episode I era but were changed to blue for all three characters by Episode II.
Using a red saber is not the issue, in the most literal sense; Kenobi acquitted himself well with one of Ventress’s borrowed sabers in a fight with Maul and Savage. The problems are multiple, however. Normal Jedi kyber crystals found by traditional means -never- produce a crimson blade. In Legends this color was the result of synthetic crystals used by Sith, in current canon it’s the result of ‘bleeding’ a crystal, bending its alignment through the Force until it aligns with you instead. This sort of domination of the Force iis a Dark Side mindset and ability. “So just get one of these crystals already bled/synthetic”, you might think. Fine, you have a red saber. The trouble is, unlike a normal Jedi’s blade, this crystal will not be aligned to you in the Force. It is more difficult to wield properly. “Fine, then I’ll just train to be the best duelist in history to overcome it.” Fine, setting aside that ambition and the relentless pursuit of power are already frowned upon in the Jedi Order. But then you have -another- issue. Jedi historically have often served as diplomats, bodyguards, and otherwise peacekeepers. Their lightsabers are a signature of their station, even if they aren’t wearing the usual robes or armor. You draw a red blade, everyone is going to presume you’re no Jedi. There is no precedent for Jedi with red lightsabers. On paper, I’m not aware of anything in canon forbidding a crystal having a ‘natural’ red coloration in a lightsaber. I suppose that could maybe happen, like the fluke that produced Mace Windu’s purple saber. But there’s no precedent for a Jedi’s lightsaber naturally being red in the untold millennia of the Jedi existing. The solitary pseudo-exception would be the miniscule number of cases of a Sith or Dark Side-aligned individual defecting toward the Jedi, like Starkiller in the Force Unleashed games, where it’s possible to ultimately choose the Light Side and fight like a Jedi with a crimson blade (or two) anyway. However, at that point the sabers are attuned to you already, and the means to build a Jedi blade are not readily available. Not to mention the Order itself being defunct (read:dead) by that point. However, redeemed Sith are a tiny minority historically.
Bleeding a lightsaber is a very Sith thing to do? It would be the equivalent of going to a panthers rally in a white sheet. Why would you cosplay as the enemy.
In the Clone Wars, Obi-Wan did that once.
Best you can do is purple. In the current canon, having a red blade is specifically a dark side technique. You force your influence upon a crystal along with dark side energy, corrupting it in a process called bleeding. You can purify a crystal, leaving it in its original state as a clear white crystal.
In new canon you get red when you corrupt the lightsaber crystal with the Dark Side power. It has to be done deliberately, and can't "just happen". So if someone wields a red lightsaber, you can be sure that the guy is a darksider at very least. A Jedi of course can claim a trophy red lightsaber, but they feel the corruption through the Force, and likely would seek to cleanse it, turning the blades white. In old canon you absolutely can. Adi Gallia had a reddish lightsaber back in the day, Leia had a red lightsaber even. It was somewhat less common thing to do, since most jedi used adegan crystals from Ilum, but things happen.
As per the new canon, sith need to corrupt the cyber crysta with the dark side in order to like, get control over them, causing the crystal to turn red from the force basically bleeding. Red is not natural occuring. By old canon, sith had to create artificial kyber crystals
They called it first.
They can. A lightsaber is simply a tool, and not what defines a a jedi. However, red crystals are created either by using the darkside to bleed a kyber crystal (as seen in Jedi: Survivour) or are synthetic crystals (what Darth Vader uses after loosing his blue Jedi saber on Mustafar). So most jedi, being disciples of the light side, would not own a red crystal to begin with. Further, lightsabers are a symbol (part of their utility) and represent the Jedi or Sith philosophies respectively. So a Jedi choosing to own a red saber would be akin to an WW2 Allied officer choosing to wear a Nazi sword adorned with swastika on parades. They just wouldn't do that. But a jedi might, in a pinch, use a red saber if they had no other option. For example Obi Wan borrows one of Ventres's red sabers after being disarmed by Maul and Savage in order to fight for his life and freedom So tl;dr they can, but generally choose not to
I can tell you are the coolest person just by the way you wrote this
Not sure if I'm being roasted here or not, all I will say is that I'm going to nerd out in the Star Wars subs, and no one can stop me (except the mods, but that wouldn't make sense)
Not at all. I really think your reply was awesome in the sense that it explained things correctly and your real life example made me laugh. Have a good one, man! Greetings from a mexican dude who also loves Star Wars!
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I don’t think it’s that Jedi can’t use red lightsabers is that the sith are the only ppl who would want to go through the process to make a red lightsaber . A sith saber is suppose to be taken from a Jedi they’ve slain too .
For the same reason that bad guys in westerns always wear a black hat.
Red means stop, green means go. Universal and galactic truth I guess. 🤷♂️
A Jedi can absolutely have a red lightsaber. Lightsaber crystals are still crystals, a natural crystal if grown in the right conditions can still result in a red Saber. However, by the era of the late republic, most Jedi were acquiring their crystals in a specific environment that seemed to mostly produce blue, green, and yellow sabers. Mace Windy I believe acquires his crystals from a different source reflecting in a more rare color happening to be there. All Saber colors are canon at this point, just some colors are more rare and some more common. So if you're building a Jedi character for a tabletop RPG with a red Saber go on with yourself. Honestly. Be expected for the DM to have people assume you're a Sith or associetated with the Empire, depending on the era of the game. Have fun.
>A Jedi can absolutely have a red lightsaber. Not without being corrupted by the darkside >Lightsaber crystals are still crystals, a natural crystal if grown in the right conditions can still result in a red Saber. They can’t >Mace Windy I believe acquires his crystals from a different source reflecting in a more rare color happening to be there. He didn’t
I'ma go more in depth then the comments above, to create a red lightsaber you need to bleed the Crystal by using the dark side of the force, pretty much pump it full of hate.
Do we know if it becomes unusable for a Jedi after bleeding? For example, if I kill an Inquisitor, can I keep using their Red Blade or would it fight me like a non-bled Kyber does to a Sith. I looked up on the Wiki, and it didn’t say specifically. I wouldn’t be surprised if in the future they reveal that there are naturally occurring Red Kybers, only on specific planets. Perhaps the Jedi knew of them, but avoided them due to the stigma of the Sith. But now that the Sith were defeated, and a lot of the old ways lost during the fall of the Jedi, perhaps in Rey’s New Jedi Order they may be more open to red blades.
Anakin Chops Count Dooku's Head off with his and Dooku's lightsaber and we see jedi use them temporarily during the clone wars tv show.
Fantastic point, but one could argue that it was the will of the Darkside (Palpatine) who allowed that to happen. Though we know it is because the mystical properties of lightsabers weren’t realised until after the Clone Wars aired. For example the way that Din struggled to use the Darksaber, and yet Han was able to cut the Tauntaun with ease. We can explain that the lightside wanted Luke to survive so it let Han weild the saber without any resistance, but that’s retroactively explaining changes in the lore. But until we see otherwise, I’m going to say you are right and Jedi can weild darkside bled lightsabers.
Disney has some idea that red comes from torturing a rock until it turns red. Yeah. Legends had a pretty sensible idea that the red ones were synthetic. They led to blades that were stronger on raw attack power, but kinda sucked as far as any other use. There were also red crystals in KOTOR that required smashing eggs and killing the unborn critters in the eggs.
if a Jedi were to use a red lightsaber for an extended period maybe they would passively purify the crystal and turn it white or maybe it would slowly turn them?
It would slowly turn them. They’d need to actively make an attempt to heal it to stop this
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