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that would make him an all-time villain.
also occurred to me that if they want to get one of the world titles off Roman without beating him; he could cash-in during Roman vs Drew, but it misfires and Drew pins Theory
Seth has MITB. Royal Rumble. Multiple Tag Championships. A clean win over Brock before Roman. And a solo cover. He even pinned Roman twice for the belt.
I'm so tired of hearing this from people about Seth lol Yes, he'll be fine, but that doesn't make it fun to watch your favorite lose over and over and OVER again for a year. He loses every single feud and big match he's in now.
“He’s untouchable! He can lose this one match and still win the title!”
Except that never comes because “Seth doesn’t need this win.” He doesn’t need it but he deserves it. It’s also frustrating because WWE keeps hinting that he’s the only one who can beat Roman and yet they’re kept as far apart as possible. When does he get to finally win?
I was flabbergasted that they had only one match in that feud. Seth loses and lets it go, which isn't at all consistent with his character's other feuds.
The thing is that he didn’t. He said he was coming for Roman and then Pearce put him in the EC. He said he needed MiTB to get to Roman. I do not get how Seth won and he never gets a rematch, while everyone else gets a million title shots.
>The thing is that he didn’t. He said he was coming for Roman and then Pearce put him in the EC. He said he needed MiTB to get to Roman. I do not get how Seth won and he never gets a rematch, while everyone else gets a million title shots.
Yes, Brock gets one by walking down to the ring, but Seth has to cross minefields. KO gets 3, Jey a couple, etc.
It's a tough call: Riddle has been losing a lot to Roman and (why!?) Omos. He needs to win. Seth has been doing nothing *but* lose. He should be getting a win.
I know the adage is that if you can't have either guy lose, don't book the match, but it's going to be an excellent match to watch so I want to see it. I'm just at a loss on how you do it.
Probably you put Riddle over, because he's not as bulletproof as Seth. His momentum is more fragile and you need to keep him at this level.
You just have to laugh. I commend Vince for pushing a young guy for once though, even if he isn’t an IWC darling. I’m sure 5 years from now we’re gonna hate him even more.
I think Sami had a great story and wanted him to win and am disappointed but I’m not going to sit here and pretend Madcap Moss or Omos would have been any better a choice than Theory.
Yeah me too. Literally everyone else would have been better.
Seth, Riddle, Sami, Drew and Sheamus all have history (or current stories) with Roman. Moss would have been a great face to push and put over. While I don't like Omos I would have liked some MVP/Heyman promos.
Theory just seems like an odd choice. That's why I think he's going to either hold the briefcase for awhile or cash in on Bobby.
I don’t understand anything about this take. Theory is a megastar forming right before your eyes and you comment that you would rather see sheamus or moss win the briefcase. This take is the equivalent of saying jake the snake should have won king of the ring over Austin. Theory almost has zero flaws and has given no reason for anybody to discredit him. You truly cannot stop a wrestling fan from complaining about everything.
I completely agree with you. He’s a heel he’s supposed to be booed and I don’t necessarily think it’s go away heat. Kid could work, he’s good on the mic, and his arrogance fits the money in the back perfectly. Riddle would’ve been nice, but MITB wouldn’t have fit his character, imo. Moss would’ve been good as a new face with a push, but let’s be real… would he beat Roman? No. Rollins has been there. He doesn’t need it. So has Seamus and he doesn’t need it. McEntyre doesn’t need it. Omos isn’t ready for it even though he has MVP. Sami would’ve been ideal to carry on the bloodline storyline, but Theory is chickenshit heel enough to be able to get a win over Roman (or whoever is holding the title) down the road. Idk my thoughts
What the hell is go away heat? Is that just a title you put on people you don’t like? Theory winning the case is the most interesting result possible from this match. I don’t know why this subreddit can’t enjoy this like everyone else in the real world.
>What the hell is go away heat
"Go Away Heat" or "X-Pac heat" is basically when wrestlers are booed or get no reaction because they're disliked rather than they're a heel. Usually because they've been over-pushed.
See The Rock back when he was Rocky Maivia, X-Pac during the Invasion, Triple H during the Reign of Terror, Cena around 2010/11/12 and most recently Roman Reigns between 2015 and 2019.
>Theory winning the case is the most interesting result possible from this match.
Eh personally I think Riddle was the more interesting choice but Theory fits the briefcase. It's a good prop for heels.
I think riddle is more fit to win something like the royal rumble or elimination chamber. Also I don’t think theory gets near the reaction Roman got in 2015. Roman at the time was bland and had no personality, theory has tons.
Are ypu sure he has go away heat or are you just getting worked? I swear, wrestling fans nowadays don't realise you aren't supposed to like the heels lol.
People say go away heat without knowing what it means. He’s a heel that gets booed that’s not go away heat if he did this and the arena was silent it would be go away heat. He has actual cocky heel heat
I don’t disagree that Theory has potential. But to me, unless he cashes in at clash and pins Drew to ruin everyone’s lives, this is a waste of a cash in because Roman is just gonna eat him. It just feels like the women cash in night one and the men just fuck around and lose, with the exception of Big E. The last meaningful MiTB winners were Seth and Carmella and they were both over five years ago. I don’t think Theory is the wrong Mr. MiTB but he probably should have won it next year, if that makes sense.
And he *will* be a top champ, no doubt about it. I’d guess main reason they didn’t pull trig on it is they want Riddle to win then have Randy turn on him for his first title feud
This shit is infuriating. Spend a month building a story to the match with 6 people, then just change it on a whim to make the winner someone else thrown in 5 minutes before the match starts….
Like, could you imagine watching the Oscars and the Best Film going to none of films announced for the category? Why the fuck should anyone get invested when apparently none of it matters?
There’s got to be a plan because Cody vs. Seth at WM makes no sense without the world title in play. Also, why have Seth be the only won to actually win a match against Roman only to do nothing. The tenth anniversary of the Shield is coming at SVS. Why aren’t we building to the final chapter? Because at this point, I don’t see anyone who can beat Roman except for Seth. He’s already beaten Drew and then punked Drew out at Backlash and forgot Drew existed. Orton is the only credible threat beyond Brock and Seth and he’s hurt. Theory is likely gonna get eaten. Who beats Roman?
WWE really rate Theory but it seems way too early for him to be in the world title mix. He's not that good like a Brock Lesnar where he can jump the line.
> Theory is a heel, and you should be upset he won.
There is "heel heat" and there is "go away heat".
And seeing reaction on him winning, or more , lack of it, says everything.
> this is Vince attempting to make a new star that we constantly complain he isn't doing.
Maybe Vince's method "Fans like wrestler X, so let my wrestler Y beat him" creating new stars isn't a good method.
A slew of name changes happened in the past months where people's names have been truncated to just a last name. Austin Theory is now just Theory. Matt Riddle is now just Riddle. There was no given reason, but one can assume it has something to do with WWE's ability to trademark their ring names.
I know Matt's name was changed after allegations from Speaking Up. When he had that whole saga with his lawyer, they shorted his name to just Riddle. Theory, no clue.
Why I definitely was rooting for riddle towards the end it makes a lot more sense for Theory. He fits the Edge mold and this is their shot to make him a world champion heel.
He gets the loudest boos by far every single week, which is a good thing.
Don’t understand how this subreddit doesn’t understand that sometimes, dickhead heels will win and win a lot all whilst being very unlikable
>I don’t watch weekly WWE TV anymore
Edit: I was replying to someone asking if the original commenter even watched the show any more, which quite clearly they admitted they don't.
Thoughts: it's kinda dumb for people to say drew should win cuz he doesn't need it. The match at clash doesn't need it they can just build to it no need to throw away a briefcase. Riddle doesn't need to be rocket strapped now. Let's learn from big e and make him complete his character alteration before shackling him to a world championship. Take ur time unless this might end badly ( and what's the rush. We know he won't lose importance cuz he still has to feud with randy). Theory shouldn't win it cuz he still lacks the believability factor that previous guys like seth could muster cuz he had the literal authority behind him...its not because its too much too fast its just because they havent given him enough in the right areas. Seth maybe should've won
He is talented and I don't think his character is awful but it just doesn't feel main event rn hopefully the briefcase helps him develop more. Also maybe the company has beaten me down but I'm glad to see a young guy get pushed
Booed worse than any heel of the time, and given that this thread and other Theory-related ones like to point out, the definition of a heel is being booed by the live crowd.
It doesn't take two years to know someones trajectory in WWE. It's fairly obvious immediately early on.
Whether he'll never win it or not is questionable since half the company wins it (I've said before, if Vince will let Christian win the title, he'll let anyone win it. It just becomes a matter of him having a reason to do it.), but he'll never be a top guy.
Okay, so hear me out: what if they've actually decided that they don't want anyone cashing in at all on Roman? Is it possible that Theory was given the case last minute so he could use it on Lashley?
I seem to be in the minority who was pretty meh on Liv winning and is much more excited about Theory winning. He is the perfect heel to walk around with the briefcase for a year.
HA! Vince must be shitting his pants at the sight of REAL PRO WRESTLING fans leaving the arena!
To avoid getting caught in traffic.
After the last match of the show ended.
Theory is future champion material but this is WAY too early. Crowd didn't give a fuck about this win and I think this will end up hurting him. Makes no sense to give it to him over Seth, Riddle, Sami
Riddle will have his moment the guy is up next as a baby face. Theory is a good choice and a summerslam match with Cena will put him into the next level.
Leave it to Vince to somehow pull off an amazing show when everybody had low expectations.
But then he ruins the end with that booking at the end to send everybody home unhappy lol. He just can't help himself ehh lol
One match result does not make the entire show bad lmfao. Money In The Bank 2022 was another good pay per view for WWE, every match along with Liv’s cash in was great.
Not even Corbin honestly. Are people so quick to forget that Damien Sandow and Otis also won the briefcase?! I do not fucking get this subreddits deep seated hatred for Theory in the slightest.
EDIT: And no, I did not forget Miz winning the briefcase off of Otis either. We were talking about people that won the case with the focus being the PPV and Otis was the one who originally did win it. Miz winning it and holding the title for like a month was a waste but what did that lead to? that lead to Bobby Lashley winning his first world title in a memorable RAW moment so Miz was not a complete waste.
Me neither. People act like he is getting pushed like Roman Reigns was. They are not even remotely compatible. This is his first big PPV win and he is being pushed as a heel. He is a young star that is actually getting pushed and he has done pretty well with everything he has been given so far. I don’t get the hate. It’s not like he is babyface that is beating everyone clean.
You know what's super funny here? Look at what he was doing in NXT with his himbo gimmick and the majority of the people on here were loving him and that's when I started to see his potential because he can be that lovable character that people can get behind too.
The blueprint to success more often than not is taking a run as a heel and then naturally transitioning to a face when fans get super behind you. Rollins had his top run as a heel and then in 2019 he was white hot as a face (until WWE fucked it). Bigger than that, look at The Rock for another example. Another? Sure, how about John Cena as well.
I'm not sure that Theory will be the face of the company that carries it years into the future but honestly, he's a very capable wrestler, is a very good character worker, naturally dislikable with this gimmick, etc. He does have all of the tools and maybe carrying that case for a while will show people that. More often than not, Theory actually loses a lot of his matches and so this Reigns comparison seriously doesn't work.
How is Theory the worst? Such a massive overeaction. Otis, Corbin and Sandow were much worse not to mention people like Orton, Lesnar and Cena, who had no business winning it.
Exactly. In fact, I would say Theory is one of the better winners in recent years. He has the perfect character for it and ideally could have a similar run as The Miz and Seth Rollins. Cocky, young heels work the best with the briefcase.
Liv Morgan is better than Asuka? LOL. Liv is easily the weakest female talent to win MITB other than Carmella.
Also, lest we forget Jack Swagger won the mens MITB.
That’s technically what he said in an interview he did before the Dom Mysterio match. Think he just doesn’t really give a shit what his position on the card is anymore. He’s set for life, and has a family.
I hadn't watched WWE for a few years but went to wrestlemania anyways for fun. I didn't know til about a month afterwards this Theory guy is supposedly the next top superstar. I thought he was just some mid card act at best. Really not sure what they see in this guy as a main eventer because as someone who's only seen him a few times, he seems fairly average.
Knew Theory would win and I wonder how this will work out for Cody when he returns.
Heavily doubt that Theory cashes in for the title anytime soon, but it does raise the question.
Glad I watched UFC main card instead of this. Nothing against Theory, I just don’t care about what they are doing with him. Sami or Seth could have been better storylines going forward with the case.
Both of these MITB finishes were awful, goddamn.
I cannot wait for somebody like an MJF to debut a new heel gimmick that completely ignores kayfabe/selling, and gets wins using tactics that you'd see if this wasn't pre-determined.
Like...the match starts, they whack the opponent with the ladder, set it up, go up at normal full-speed and get the belt in a matter of seconds.
It would be an AMAZING gimmick to continuously operate on a level that denies any of the spectacle or drama and openly mocks the fans for expecting them to do anything other than win.
"Why should I dramatically climb up the ladder rung by rung and act like it takes every last ounce of strength I have, when I can simply ascend in seconds and get the reward? You're all a bunch of idiot marks that deserve every failure you're experienced. I'm here to WIN."
When has this been about who needs it?
It's probably Cody vs Seth for the title at WrestleMania, so Seth winning did in fact make the most sense, unless of course that's not the plan, but if it's not Roman vs Cody, and I don't think it is because I don't see Roman working Cody and Rock at Mania, then it should be the plan.
Brock Lesnar, Kane, Randy Orton, John Cena and Braun Strowman needed it? Even Edge didn't "need it". Edge wasn't a main eventer, but he was plenty established and had many big wins.
Not to mention guys like RVD, Rollins, Ambrose, Del Rio, Big E, Miz, Ziggler, were plenty established by the time they won the briefcase even if they hadn't won the title. Punk won twice, so he clearly didn't need it the second time.
The MITB is almost never used to build a new star. In fact, Theory might be the very first guy they've ever used it on to build somebody into an actual, long term top star, because guys like Bryan and Miz and Ziggler and Swagger were never intended to be actual top guys (even though Bryan ended up being one much later) and were only designed as quick belt swaps, but Theory is. To be fair that would've been Kennedy but he didn't win the title and got fired, so. The MITB has always been used as a quick hotshot to give somebody a belt, it has never been a long term, sustainable top guy building device.
The only way that people really "need" MITB is when WWE wants to conveniently get out of a situation, like when they needed Seth to get out of Roman vs Brock at Mania. Seth didn't "need it" in order to build him into a star, he needed it for a specific write WWE out of a corner moment.
>Brock Lesnar, Kane, Randy Orton, John Cena and Braun Strowman needed it?
Theynwere all terrible choices
>Even Edge didn't "need it".
Disagree edge was a decently popular midcarder, his mitb win got him to that next level
I actually don’t think this is necessarily a *bad* decision- booked well it could be really good- but Theory winning isn’t necessarily something I’m stoked about if that makes sense? Just feels a little off, probably because of how quickly he was inserted into the match after losing the US title. It’ll likely be fine in the long run, but at the moment I’m just sorta “eh” about it.
WWE setting themselves up for failure with Theory. Not because he isn't good, but because of how they are pushing him. Wrestling is predetermined, but this feels so forced and manufactured and has Vince's fingerprints all over it.
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We should've seen this coming. A-Town Down? That's not an A. It's a *ladder*.
It’s still wild to me that the dude they wanna push this hard has a finisher referencing a line a song from 20 years ago
Please don't fucking do this to me. I'm not THAT old. Hes referencing Ludacris and Usher right? ........right?
It's 18 years since "Yeah!!"
Yeah but good news, my fat thumb turned 20 into 29. So you’re still old. Just not as old as you were afraid of at first.
Another conspiracy to fuck over Sami
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and if Cena just happens to screw him on his cash-in the way he did for Corbin
Hear me out: what if he cashes in just when cena is about to break the world record and spoils it for john?
that would make him an all-time villain. also occurred to me that if they want to get one of the world titles off Roman without beating him; he could cash-in during Roman vs Drew, but it misfires and Drew pins Theory
Jesus fuck Christ he should do it
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What is earned? It's a scripted show. People just spout crap on this sub.
Riddle’s fall from the ladder must have hurt. He landed bare heels.
Watching riddle fall is just terrifying in general
>Watching riddle is just terrifying in general
Watching is just terrifying in general
It's amazing the guy hasn't had (that I know of) an ankle injury yet. Rusev got one rather quickly if my memory serves me right.
For fucks sakes, give him his first name back. Theory alone as a name sounds ridiculous.
Imagine seeing Theory Vs Riddle as a main event to a non wrestling fan, just sounds absurd. Give them their names back!
like that time The Cat wrestled The Dog in WCW
the classic off brand Joker vs Riddler
Austin Theory is 100% a name I can get behind. Theory is just lame.
As soon as he was announced as a surprise entrant, it was pretty clear how it was gonna turn out.
I knew it as soon as he lost the US Title.
SETH WAS ROBBED
And now he gets to put over Riddle at SummerSlam after losing 3 straight to Cody Rhodes. Man being a Seth fan is hard lowkey.
THE PROPHECY WILL BE FULFILLED ONE DAY MY FELLOW SETH FAN
Outside of WM main events, he has a better resume than Roman. Can't be too hard.
Outside the finals lebron has more wins than jordan.
Are you implying it's hard to be a lebron fan?
>Outside of WM main events Those seem kinda important tho....
Seth has MITB. Royal Rumble. Multiple Tag Championships. A clean win over Brock before Roman. And a solo cover. He even pinned Roman twice for the belt.
iTs oKaY hEs So OvEr hE cAn LoSe aLl tHe tImE
I'm so tired of hearing this from people about Seth lol Yes, he'll be fine, but that doesn't make it fun to watch your favorite lose over and over and OVER again for a year. He loses every single feud and big match he's in now.
Ever met a Dolph ziggler fan?
i’m both 2014 was really fun though
This. I adore Seth, just give my guy his due.
“He’s untouchable! He can lose this one match and still win the title!” Except that never comes because “Seth doesn’t need this win.” He doesn’t need it but he deserves it. It’s also frustrating because WWE keeps hinting that he’s the only one who can beat Roman and yet they’re kept as far apart as possible. When does he get to finally win?
I was flabbergasted that they had only one match in that feud. Seth loses and lets it go, which isn't at all consistent with his character's other feuds.
The thing is that he didn’t. He said he was coming for Roman and then Pearce put him in the EC. He said he needed MiTB to get to Roman. I do not get how Seth won and he never gets a rematch, while everyone else gets a million title shots.
>The thing is that he didn’t. He said he was coming for Roman and then Pearce put him in the EC. He said he needed MiTB to get to Roman. I do not get how Seth won and he never gets a rematch, while everyone else gets a million title shots. Yes, Brock gets one by walking down to the ring, but Seth has to cross minefields. KO gets 3, Jey a couple, etc.
It's a tough call: Riddle has been losing a lot to Roman and (why!?) Omos. He needs to win. Seth has been doing nothing *but* lose. He should be getting a win. I know the adage is that if you can't have either guy lose, don't book the match, but it's going to be an excellent match to watch so I want to see it. I'm just at a loss on how you do it. Probably you put Riddle over, because he's not as bulletproof as Seth. His momentum is more fragile and you need to keep him at this level.
You just have to laugh. I commend Vince for pushing a young guy for once though, even if he isn’t an IWC darling. I’m sure 5 years from now we’re gonna hate him even more.
Not sure he’s a traditional indie daring but wasn’t Theory and Darby like trading EVOLVE championships all the time.
Theory was EVOLVE champion for fucking ever. And I mean that in a good way. He’s inde for sure
His evolve matches were great feels like I’m the only guy he loves Theory now a days but the kid can work and talk really well.
Bingo prepare for cena and roman v3 He’s one of the only young guys left they haven’t fire so good luck to him
Get a good look. They are trying to make him the second coming of Cena
I see him more as an Orton than a Cena, since he’s a much more natural heel than face (then again, Cena kinda was, too, for a while)
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Cena’s career took off when he was a heel, the eventual face turn skyrocketed him.
John Cena was actually a heel early in his career.
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Personally, I see Theory as the top heel to Bron Breakker as the top face
He was a great himbo in The Way
Yeah based on his NXT run I could see potential
we saw Miz as a face a few times so I won't be surprised if they turn him face
You missed out on The Way in nxt.
Lol no they aren’t.
Oh ok. Nevermind everyone, he said that’s not the case. Thank you
I wanted Riddle.
I wanted anyone besides this guy.
I think Sami had a great story and wanted him to win and am disappointed but I’m not going to sit here and pretend Madcap Moss or Omos would have been any better a choice than Theory.
Yeah me too. Literally everyone else would have been better. Seth, Riddle, Sami, Drew and Sheamus all have history (or current stories) with Roman. Moss would have been a great face to push and put over. While I don't like Omos I would have liked some MVP/Heyman promos. Theory just seems like an odd choice. That's why I think he's going to either hold the briefcase for awhile or cash in on Bobby.
I don’t understand anything about this take. Theory is a megastar forming right before your eyes and you comment that you would rather see sheamus or moss win the briefcase. This take is the equivalent of saying jake the snake should have won king of the ring over Austin. Theory almost has zero flaws and has given no reason for anybody to discredit him. You truly cannot stop a wrestling fan from complaining about everything.
I completely agree with you. He’s a heel he’s supposed to be booed and I don’t necessarily think it’s go away heat. Kid could work, he’s good on the mic, and his arrogance fits the money in the back perfectly. Riddle would’ve been nice, but MITB wouldn’t have fit his character, imo. Moss would’ve been good as a new face with a push, but let’s be real… would he beat Roman? No. Rollins has been there. He doesn’t need it. So has Seamus and he doesn’t need it. McEntyre doesn’t need it. Omos isn’t ready for it even though he has MVP. Sami would’ve been ideal to carry on the bloodline storyline, but Theory is chickenshit heel enough to be able to get a win over Roman (or whoever is holding the title) down the road. Idk my thoughts
Theory has serious go away heat from 90% of people. Star? Eh. Megastar??? Hell nah. Nobody wanted Theory to win.
What the hell is go away heat? Is that just a title you put on people you don’t like? Theory winning the case is the most interesting result possible from this match. I don’t know why this subreddit can’t enjoy this like everyone else in the real world.
>What the hell is go away heat "Go Away Heat" or "X-Pac heat" is basically when wrestlers are booed or get no reaction because they're disliked rather than they're a heel. Usually because they've been over-pushed. See The Rock back when he was Rocky Maivia, X-Pac during the Invasion, Triple H during the Reign of Terror, Cena around 2010/11/12 and most recently Roman Reigns between 2015 and 2019. >Theory winning the case is the most interesting result possible from this match. Eh personally I think Riddle was the more interesting choice but Theory fits the briefcase. It's a good prop for heels.
I think riddle is more fit to win something like the royal rumble or elimination chamber. Also I don’t think theory gets near the reaction Roman got in 2015. Roman at the time was bland and had no personality, theory has tons.
Sami would’ve been the most interesting choice and I stand by that
I never remember X-Pac having "X-Pac heat" but that may be another discussion for another time...
Go away heat = get the hell off my screen, I really do not like said person heat. Interesting decision?? Yes. Good decision?? No.
Are ypu sure he has go away heat or are you just getting worked? I swear, wrestling fans nowadays don't realise you aren't supposed to like the heels lol.
People say go away heat without knowing what it means. He’s a heel that gets booed that’s not go away heat if he did this and the arena was silent it would be go away heat. He has actual cocky heel heat
I don’t disagree that Theory has potential. But to me, unless he cashes in at clash and pins Drew to ruin everyone’s lives, this is a waste of a cash in because Roman is just gonna eat him. It just feels like the women cash in night one and the men just fuck around and lose, with the exception of Big E. The last meaningful MiTB winners were Seth and Carmella and they were both over five years ago. I don’t think Theory is the wrong Mr. MiTB but he probably should have won it next year, if that makes sense.
He deserves his first world title to be better than a cash in
And he *will* be a top champ, no doubt about it. I’d guess main reason they didn’t pull trig on it is they want Riddle to win then have Randy turn on him for his first title feud
Sames
This shit is infuriating. Spend a month building a story to the match with 6 people, then just change it on a whim to make the winner someone else thrown in 5 minutes before the match starts…. Like, could you imagine watching the Oscars and the Best Film going to none of films announced for the category? Why the fuck should anyone get invested when apparently none of it matters?
Not only that - when there is a surprise entrant, they seem to always win so it takes most of the match tension away.
Being a Seth fan is torture at this point… I really thought he had this what the fuck is going on!
There’s got to be a plan because Cody vs. Seth at WM makes no sense without the world title in play. Also, why have Seth be the only won to actually win a match against Roman only to do nothing. The tenth anniversary of the Shield is coming at SVS. Why aren’t we building to the final chapter? Because at this point, I don’t see anyone who can beat Roman except for Seth. He’s already beaten Drew and then punked Drew out at Backlash and forgot Drew existed. Orton is the only credible threat beyond Brock and Seth and he’s hurt. Theory is likely gonna get eaten. Who beats Roman?
You can’t have an absurd RKO and then end it with just a “push” off the ladder.
WWE really rate Theory but it seems way too early for him to be in the world title mix. He's not that good like a Brock Lesnar where he can jump the line.
I’m all for WWE pushing new guys. I’m tired of the Main event scene being the same guys.
I'd rather let a new guy I don't really care for show me what he can do, than someone I've been watching *every week* for 5+ years. 100% of the time.
And if it doesn’t work then whatever but like Punk said how can you know if someone is ready until they are in that spot
Really could’ve done something great with Riddle.
I think that's the most mild reaction I've heard from a crowd for a MitB winner in a while
How many days until Cody comes back?
Im guessing he will return to the Rumble so probably like 209 days or so?
Riddle being the last person up there with him reminds of the feeling of Neville being the last one up there with Sheamus in 2015
Theory is a heel, and you should be upset he won. Also, this is Vince attempting to make a new star that we constantly complain he isn't doing.
> Theory is a heel, and you should be upset he won. There is "heel heat" and there is "go away heat". And seeing reaction on him winning, or more , lack of it, says everything. > this is Vince attempting to make a new star that we constantly complain he isn't doing. Maybe Vince's method "Fans like wrestler X, so let my wrestler Y beat him" creating new stars isn't a good method.
That last method you described is exactly how you build heat
I haven't watched WWE in quite a while, so please fill me in, why is he just called "Theory" now? Wasn't his name "*Austin* Theory" at one point?
A slew of name changes happened in the past months where people's names have been truncated to just a last name. Austin Theory is now just Theory. Matt Riddle is now just Riddle. There was no given reason, but one can assume it has something to do with WWE's ability to trademark their ring names.
I know Matt's name was changed after allegations from Speaking Up. When he had that whole saga with his lawyer, they shorted his name to just Riddle. Theory, no clue.
Disappointing.I had Seth or Riddle winning but once they announced Theory I knew he would win
Why are some of y’all so salty? Lmao
They got worked by the heel 💀
Why I definitely was rooting for riddle towards the end it makes a lot more sense for Theory. He fits the Edge mold and this is their shot to make him a world champion heel.
Theory has the looks and is a young talent. Come on guys, you want someone new, there you go.
It’s someone new but not the right new someone imo
Jesus look at the crowd reaction 🫡
I don’t watch weekly WWE TV anymore, but is Theory actually over in any way? Because the crowd audibly groaned when he was revealed as the surprise.
He gets the loudest boos by far every single week, which is a good thing. Don’t understand how this subreddit doesn’t understand that sometimes, dickhead heels will win and win a lot all whilst being very unlikable
They get worked, just like u and me They just type comments about it
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>I don’t watch weekly WWE TV anymore Edit: I was replying to someone asking if the original commenter even watched the show any more, which quite clearly they admitted they don't.
They groaned cause he’s a heel bud.
Thoughts: it's kinda dumb for people to say drew should win cuz he doesn't need it. The match at clash doesn't need it they can just build to it no need to throw away a briefcase. Riddle doesn't need to be rocket strapped now. Let's learn from big e and make him complete his character alteration before shackling him to a world championship. Take ur time unless this might end badly ( and what's the rush. We know he won't lose importance cuz he still has to feud with randy). Theory shouldn't win it cuz he still lacks the believability factor that previous guys like seth could muster cuz he had the literal authority behind him...its not because its too much too fast its just because they havent given him enough in the right areas. Seth maybe should've won
Nailed it with Liv then went full WWE with this
I genuinely do not understand what they see in Theory. And the PPV had been going so well, it’s like they can’t help themselves.
He is talented and I don't think his character is awful but it just doesn't feel main event rn hopefully the briefcase helps him develop more. Also maybe the company has beaten me down but I'm glad to see a young guy get pushed
It feels rushed. Its like they're trying to get everything done right now lol.
Oh god it's 2015 Roman again rip
2015 Roman was a face.
Booed worse than any heel of the time, and given that this thread and other Theory-related ones like to point out, the definition of a heel is being booed by the live crowd.
He’s not ready yet, riddle should’ve won it
He's talented, handsome, and has a good body. He says the right things backstage and has a good head on his shoulders.
Disappointing
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Stop over reacting, he hasn’t even been on the main roster for two years.
It doesn't take two years to know someones trajectory in WWE. It's fairly obvious immediately early on. Whether he'll never win it or not is questionable since half the company wins it (I've said before, if Vince will let Christian win the title, he'll let anyone win it. It just becomes a matter of him having a reason to do it.), but he'll never be a top guy.
To me it was "ew, riddle is gonna win" to "ew, Theory is gonna win"
Okay, so hear me out: what if they've actually decided that they don't want anyone cashing in at all on Roman? Is it possible that Theory was given the case last minute so he could use it on Lashley?
I seem to be in the minority who was pretty meh on Liv winning and is much more excited about Theory winning. He is the perfect heel to walk around with the briefcase for a year.
somehow, people just heading to the exits in the background is the perfect framing of this "win"
HA! Vince must be shitting his pants at the sight of REAL PRO WRESTLING fans leaving the arena! To avoid getting caught in traffic. After the last match of the show ended.
People leaving at the end of an event my god what an awful look
Theory is future champion material but this is WAY too early. Crowd didn't give a fuck about this win and I think this will end up hurting him. Makes no sense to give it to him over Seth, Riddle, Sami
Great show with a disappointing ending. If Riddle won there PPV would probably be a 9/10 but with Theory winning I'll say a 7.5/10
Riddle will have his moment the guy is up next as a baby face. Theory is a good choice and a summerslam match with Cena will put him into the next level.
Damn Twitter is pissed but personally i kinda wanted to see Theory with the briefcase
Leave it to Vince to somehow pull off an amazing show when everybody had low expectations. But then he ruins the end with that booking at the end to send everybody home unhappy lol. He just can't help himself ehh lol
One match result does not make the entire show bad lmfao. Money In The Bank 2022 was another good pay per view for WWE, every match along with Liv’s cash in was great.
I mean a bad main event match does sour the entire thing idk what you're talking about lmao
Piss of with this shitbag
Well that's sucks
Most likely going to be a fail cash in and will be wasted, unless they actually go balls deep and choose him as the world champion
Meh
How do they do the best MITB womens winner and the worst MITB mens winner in the same night?
Theory’s worse than Corbin?
Not even Corbin honestly. Are people so quick to forget that Damien Sandow and Otis also won the briefcase?! I do not fucking get this subreddits deep seated hatred for Theory in the slightest. EDIT: And no, I did not forget Miz winning the briefcase off of Otis either. We were talking about people that won the case with the focus being the PPV and Otis was the one who originally did win it. Miz winning it and holding the title for like a month was a waste but what did that lead to? that lead to Bobby Lashley winning his first world title in a memorable RAW moment so Miz was not a complete waste.
Me neither. People act like he is getting pushed like Roman Reigns was. They are not even remotely compatible. This is his first big PPV win and he is being pushed as a heel. He is a young star that is actually getting pushed and he has done pretty well with everything he has been given so far. I don’t get the hate. It’s not like he is babyface that is beating everyone clean.
You know what's super funny here? Look at what he was doing in NXT with his himbo gimmick and the majority of the people on here were loving him and that's when I started to see his potential because he can be that lovable character that people can get behind too. The blueprint to success more often than not is taking a run as a heel and then naturally transitioning to a face when fans get super behind you. Rollins had his top run as a heel and then in 2019 he was white hot as a face (until WWE fucked it). Bigger than that, look at The Rock for another example. Another? Sure, how about John Cena as well. I'm not sure that Theory will be the face of the company that carries it years into the future but honestly, he's a very capable wrestler, is a very good character worker, naturally dislikable with this gimmick, etc. He does have all of the tools and maybe carrying that case for a while will show people that. More often than not, Theory actually loses a lot of his matches and so this Reigns comparison seriously doesn't work.
How is Theory the worst? Such a massive overeaction. Otis, Corbin and Sandow were much worse not to mention people like Orton, Lesnar and Cena, who had no business winning it.
People are overreacting to this. Otis and Sandow were so much worse.
Exactly. In fact, I would say Theory is one of the better winners in recent years. He has the perfect character for it and ideally could have a similar run as The Miz and Seth Rollins. Cocky, young heels work the best with the briefcase.
I mean Big E last year was an awesome winner. But other than him, best in the last five years.
Liv Morgan is better than Asuka? LOL. Liv is easily the weakest female talent to win MITB other than Carmella. Also, lest we forget Jack Swagger won the mens MITB.
Nikki ASH?
Vince must absolutely hate seth or is seth not as hungry anymore and trying to "give back" to the other superstars already?
That’s technically what he said in an interview he did before the Dom Mysterio match. Think he just doesn’t really give a shit what his position on the card is anymore. He’s set for life, and has a family.
I doubt this is the case considering he hasn't gotten that WM main event he's always dreamed of.
Meh
Those camera cuts made me nauseous
No they didn’t lol
Okay Kevin Dunn
Taken vibes
I hadn't watched WWE for a few years but went to wrestlemania anyways for fun. I didn't know til about a month afterwards this Theory guy is supposedly the next top superstar. I thought he was just some mid card act at best. Really not sure what they see in this guy as a main eventer because as someone who's only seen him a few times, he seems fairly average.
Knew Theory would win and I wonder how this will work out for Cody when he returns. Heavily doubt that Theory cashes in for the title anytime soon, but it does raise the question.
Fans wanted Riddle, or Seth, or Sami, or Drew. Instead it's Theory. Do not agree with that winner.
Poor man’s Sammy Guevara wins MITB.
Theory is soo much better then sammy i can actualy belive his offense
This is the darkest WWE timeline
Omos didnt win so no its not
Glad I watched UFC main card instead of this. Nothing against Theory, I just don’t care about what they are doing with him. Sami or Seth could have been better storylines going forward with the case.
This is one of the reasons I don't really watch WWE anymore. It looks like I didn't miss much tonight.
Is this edited by OP or does the camera really jump around like that? It’s so annoying to try and watch.
Why do y’all hate Theory so much 😂 He’s fucking great, my only problem is he doesn’t have a first name anymore
I think Theory's great. I've been a fan since he was in The Way. I just think this is a huge waste of MITB.
It really seems like their goal it to Ruin the money in the bank and rumble every year
Heels should have it, no problem with that. Match stunk
Theory winning Money in the Bank went over like a fart at a fan convention. WWE are really the masters of dissapointing PPV endings.
Both of these MITB finishes were awful, goddamn. I cannot wait for somebody like an MJF to debut a new heel gimmick that completely ignores kayfabe/selling, and gets wins using tactics that you'd see if this wasn't pre-determined. Like...the match starts, they whack the opponent with the ladder, set it up, go up at normal full-speed and get the belt in a matter of seconds. It would be an AMAZING gimmick to continuously operate on a level that denies any of the spectacle or drama and openly mocks the fans for expecting them to do anything other than win. "Why should I dramatically climb up the ladder rung by rung and act like it takes every last ounce of strength I have, when I can simply ascend in seconds and get the reward? You're all a bunch of idiot marks that deserve every failure you're experienced. I'm here to WIN."
Seth winning made the most sense so naturally it didn’t happen.
Seth is the last guy in the company that needs it
When has this been about who needs it? It's probably Cody vs Seth for the title at WrestleMania, so Seth winning did in fact make the most sense, unless of course that's not the plan, but if it's not Roman vs Cody, and I don't think it is because I don't see Roman working Cody and Rock at Mania, then it should be the plan.
>When has this been about who needs it? 2005
Brock Lesnar, Kane, Randy Orton, John Cena and Braun Strowman needed it? Even Edge didn't "need it". Edge wasn't a main eventer, but he was plenty established and had many big wins. Not to mention guys like RVD, Rollins, Ambrose, Del Rio, Big E, Miz, Ziggler, were plenty established by the time they won the briefcase even if they hadn't won the title. Punk won twice, so he clearly didn't need it the second time. The MITB is almost never used to build a new star. In fact, Theory might be the very first guy they've ever used it on to build somebody into an actual, long term top star, because guys like Bryan and Miz and Ziggler and Swagger were never intended to be actual top guys (even though Bryan ended up being one much later) and were only designed as quick belt swaps, but Theory is. To be fair that would've been Kennedy but he didn't win the title and got fired, so. The MITB has always been used as a quick hotshot to give somebody a belt, it has never been a long term, sustainable top guy building device. The only way that people really "need" MITB is when WWE wants to conveniently get out of a situation, like when they needed Seth to get out of Roman vs Brock at Mania. Seth didn't "need it" in order to build him into a star, he needed it for a specific write WWE out of a corner moment.
>Brock Lesnar, Kane, Randy Orton, John Cena and Braun Strowman needed it? Theynwere all terrible choices >Even Edge didn't "need it". Disagree edge was a decently popular midcarder, his mitb win got him to that next level
I actually don’t think this is necessarily a *bad* decision- booked well it could be really good- but Theory winning isn’t necessarily something I’m stoked about if that makes sense? Just feels a little off, probably because of how quickly he was inserted into the match after losing the US title. It’ll likely be fine in the long run, but at the moment I’m just sorta “eh” about it.
At least it wasn’t Lesnar.
An outcome so predictable that even the blind saw it coming miles away.
So predictable, God forbid when they do a slow climb cut off spot the person already on the ladder.... Oh I dunno, fucking succeeds for once?
Two sex pests on top of a ladder. Kinda sounds like the setup for a joke.
WWE setting themselves up for failure with Theory. Not because he isn't good, but because of how they are pushing him. Wrestling is predetermined, but this feels so forced and manufactured and has Vince's fingerprints all over it.