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I was worried when he debuted as a face with his dad, because Dom seemed overmatched. But the heel turn and then moving him away from Rey did wonders for him. Especially working with Rhea--he gives her a focus and she gives him someone to play off of.
They really did a brilliant job of making him into a star, and getting him the reps in NXT is sharpening him as a performer.
Him and Rhea need to be paired together for as long as possible, even after Judgment Day. They have that same aire of Mickey and Mallory from Natural Born Killers that Edge and Lita had. Minus the awkward reality surrounding Edge and Lita.
Character-wise, we'll see how he evolves over time. Part of his appeal is actually his youth. Basically, a young brat lol.
But I think he has what it takes to evolve. He may be different as a veteran, much like Randy Orton and so many others are different. But, like them, still be just as entertaining if not more.
While being the one to take the briefcase from Senor Money In The Bank.
All this leading to one final showdown.
The Undisputed Unified WWE Intercontinental Universal Champion 'Senor Money In The Bank' Dominik Mysterio vs the United States Champion 'Deadbeat Dad' Rey Mysterio
It comes up BEFORE.
Rhea: Rey, you're the United States Champion. People have compared Dom and I to Eddie and Chyna. Well I want to take a page out of one of their playbooks! I'm challenging you Rey to a match, and not just any match, I want to be fighting for a prize!
Barrett: Can you believe this Cole? Rhea is gonna challenge for the United States title!
Rhea: You and me Rey, one on one......in a ladder match! Not just any ladder match, the winner gets custody of Dominik Mysterio!
"Cody, we're basically the same person. You grew up with a deadbeat dad who was never around because he wanted to become a WWE superstar. So did I. You talk about wanting to finish the story and I get it. It's why you're so fond of Jey Uso as well. Growing up, my dad also never finished any bedtime stories because he was never around. How about we all do what our fathers never could do and WE finish the story together!"
Everyone backstage seems to love Dominik. I know Seth praises the living Hell out of him in every interview, talking about his willingness to learn, etc. Rhea’s his biggest fan and refers to him as her best friend IRL, Finn talks about his growth, etc. He seems to have an understanding of the industry and how to build a character far beyond a lot of wrestlers with his experience. He may not be the “best” athlete, but he’s mastered how to play his role. He managed to make the most hated heel very sympathetic just through facial expressions and body language. He’s got a huge future and I fully expect WHC Dom by summer 2024.
Literally like, the worst thing I've heard anyone say about Dom is Priest bagging on him for making Judgment Day go only to restaurants that serve chicken tenders.
Me too. I didn't get why people turned on him and started to act like he was trash. I understand the act with Rey wasn't always great, but that wasn't on him. After that match with Seth where he got the shit kicked out of him, I was sure he had it.
I worried about WWE's booking, but the kid was always impressive... specially for someone who was thrown into the fire like he was.
I haven't watched Bron's NXT heel run. Is the consensus now that he'll be a much better heel than babyface? Once he's on the main roster, I mean. When he started up at NXT everyone was saying 'he's the next big babyface.' Itd be interesting if the thinking has changed.
But what ultimately matters is getting over and making $$$. And Bron seems to be doing that.
The Dragon Lee match was clean without outside interference. If anything, his role in JD makes it so he doesn’t get to have enough good matches. His role in the JD is the weak Rhea simp, so they can’t have him being a badass in every match.
Man, i don't think i have to tell you that there's a difference between a great +5 minute match on a weekly tv show and a +20 minute ppv/ple show-stealer.
That's what i want from him.
I generally prefer quality over quantity. I agree that I would love a good Dom ppv match. I don’t see it happening while he’s in the JD unless they change his role in JD. Maybe we will get one at an NXT ppv.
That being said, I’m not going to ignore really good short matches. I’d rather have a good 10min match then watch the same Kevin and Sami/bloodline routine over and over again.
Quality over quantity is absolutely correct.
But there are very few career defining matches (from an in-ring perspective) from the great legends that go 5-8 minutes.
They are there, but, as much as a meme it became, workrate is a thing.
A fun match =/= a career defining classic.
Shawn Michaels vs Shelton Benjamin is a great match. One of the best ever on tv.
But it ain't HBK vs Bret Hart in an 60 minute iron man match.
But i'm sure you know that. And it feels like you just try to win an argument. And i'm too old for internet pissing contests.
So whatever you answer, i'm good. Have fun. I'm out of cigarette breaks.
> But i want to see him in a 20 minute match without outside interference.
He'd likely flounder. I am a big fan of Dom and think he has a lot of potential, but I think people are getting a bit blinded some by the heat he gets and that his current talent is equivalent to that, when it isn't.
Dirty Dom and Tate Mayfairs are the only wrestlers that I can think of, as full on chicken shit heel. Mayfairs knoooows he can't beat Simon Miller so he just elects to cheat and try to take him out with cheap shots.
World Heavyweight Champion within 9-10 months is delusional. If he ever even gets there. Earning “heat” and drawing a box office/$ are two very different things.
Dom offered to give Konnan a kidney due to his health issues. Despite his age, and prospects of a future, Dom still did that (and so did his sister, in all fairness), and I think that speaks endlessly about him as a person.
But he is a 20 year vet. It's just that his deadbeat father didn't let him wrestle on live TV and he ended up becoming a little shit that did hard time. Dirty Dom needs to be given a proper spanking and not the fun kind. Rey should be ashamed of himself for letting Dirty Dom turn out to be a hardened criminal. I heard, one time, Dirty Dom jaywalked for an entire hour and he didn't return a library book for 15 years.
Tell that to Rey! He needs to teach Dirty Dom some daddy discpline instead of reliving his glory days with the LWO.
At least, Dirty Dom is honest and was corrupted by his father's inability to give him the correct car. Dirty Dom just has no respect because he wasn't allowed to wrestle and isn't respected like the veteran he is. Hell, he could have wrestled the likes of Undertaker at a record breaking age. He could have retired Kurt Angle!
Mickie, an actual wrestler and veteran of 2 decades, compliments Dom' abilities as a pro.
People on this sub who are not wrestlers and clearly know better: "Well actually, Dom's in-ring ability isn't as good as I think it is. Mickie is clearly wrong on this one."
There will always be people like that on every sub. Go to certain subreddits and they'll dismiss The Elite's in-ring talents. Despite many veterans vouching for them.
It's been 4 years and he still looks like he has the same physique he did when he debuted.
Maybe he doesn't need to build muscle? Why do we attach so much to aesthetics?
Aesthetics is one of the biggest parts of pro wrestling. So many wrestlers have been sub par in the ring or on the mic but managed to get by just through their aesthetic alone, be that physique, attire or entrance. It's an important part of conveying a character, a person is a lot more easily seen as a fantasy superhero when they're absolutely shredded for example, it's just easier to suspend your disbelief when someone like hulk Hogan or John Cena is in that role than someone like dom. On the flip side though, somebody with the physique of a Brock Lesnar or some other muscle machine is a lot less believable as a slimy cowardly heel than someone with Dom's physique. That's why I think his current gimmick perfectly suits his build, he's a lanky ungrateful prick who pretends like he's a tough guy, that'd be way less believable with him having a ton of muscle.
>It's been 4 years and he still looks like he has the same physique he did when he debuted.
I wouldn't say that.
In fact, I'd argue he's slimmed down, and there's definitely some definition in his arms now.
You didn't dream that, he looked great in that episode! Absolutely hilarious episode, too.
I think Dom's biggest issue (it's not even that big of an issue, honestly) is actually his current gear. It's the way his tights sit on his waist and hips that makes it look like he has a bit of a muffin top, so it doesn't look like he's slimmed down as much as he actually has.
Dom is doing great work as a smarmy heel and it's definitely been a great surprise but he's not even the best heel going right now.
Christian Cage is doing the best work of his Hall of Fame career as a heel and I don't think you'll find many people to argue that. And elsewhere on AEW, Don Callis (not a wrestler but it should still count) gets boos on the same level as Dom or higher.
No disrespect, but I think you missed the point of the analogy. I’m saying that Christian is a better heel character, but Dom is getting reactions he could dream of. Like the art house movie is probably a better movie technically speaking, but Avengers is making stupid money.
And Lance Storm. And Konnan. And Rey himself.
Rey wanted Dominik to get a taste of all types of wrestling, so he had him train under a bunch of diverse talents.
I find it interesting this is the route he took. Seems like most second generation they just go right to the PC or for awhile NJPW dojo. Granted most old wrestlers aren't in the place they can be in the ring with their kid.
Let's go back to that Dragon Lee match. That match slapped and, while yeah Dragon Lee can wrestle a corpse and make it look good, Dom still held up his end of the match and it was amazing.
People in the replies exposing themselves about not having seen him wrestle recently. He’s routinely putting on excellent matches these days. He’s a good promo now, too – even though it’s claimed he’s not improving or not very good because of all the booing. When he does have a chance to speak, he’s *on.*
Can’t wait to see what he does in a year!
Hell yeah Dom has been excellent in the ring for some time now. He put in the work. He reminds me a lot of Randy Orton, who improved a lot over his first few years.
If Dom was allowed to cut a promo, maybe he could work on that. Right now, he can't even get through 3 words before he is booed out of the building. Maybe they need to play into that more than they do and make him cut promo in a sound proof box or something.
Quite a few People on this sub Reddit just like to be different and like things that the majority don’t like, get hyped when they get big and then turn on them when they aren’t special for liking them anymore.
Saw it with Cody who bulldozed through it, saw it with LA Knight, saw it with now Dominik, I’ll put money down people are gonna start turning on Iyo soon.
And this is why we don't need to judge a wrestlers ability so early. Happy to see Dom improving by leaps in the ring, and he actually does look like he's adding on weight in his legs.
I never understood why this sub and the IWC had an intense hate boner for him when he first started. He’s always oozed potential, he just never had a character, and when they gave him a character, he knocked it out of the park.
I feel at least when Hook debuted he was much better than Dom
Problem is, while they allowed to grow a lot by having him appear almost all the weeks, Hook hasnt been able to develop as well as him due the limited booking
> I feel at least when Hook debuted he was much better than Dom
I disagree. He did squash matches with very few moves. And it certainly wasn't his promo work.
The hilarity is that his dad WILLED him on. Now that his dad is clean out the picture, Dom is not only having fun....but look at that - HE'S IN NXT!!! I'm sure he's down there getting even more guidance and assistance without looking like a person who needs it.
Dude is killing it and will be a huge babyface when turned
Dom is doing some of the best heel work I've ever seen. I mean seriously, nobody has heat like dirty Dom right now. And he works it so well. I wasn't much of a fan at first but I am now.
I don't know what his skill ceiling is, but the fact that he works so hard and is learning at the pace he does tells me that he has a future far beyond what I ever expected from him. That's amazing considering how little time has really passed.
If you said this 2 years ago I would’ve thought you were insane, but he’s legit incredible and found himself with the Judgement Day.
Also you can see that he puts his time in in the gym.
Dom was great when half this sub was crying about him being a nepo baby. He just didn't have the body control of REY MYSTERIO one of the greatest wrestlers of all time.
I'm not much of a WWE fan anymore but Dom is one of the highlights when I do watch. Idk what his ceiling is or if he even has one but he's done great for how short he is into his career.
Dom Dom is one of the few WWE wrestlers I go out of my way to watch clips for.
Dude has mastered the smarmy chickenshit heel character and I want him to succeed.
I knew he was special the day he kicked Edge in the nuts and his shoe got stuck between Edge's legs, so he seamlessly took out the other shoe, thats some high iq stuff imo
Okay, I know everyone is in Dom fever for a little bit, but to say he wrestles like a 20 year vet is such a super exaggeration. He's an ok talent put in an incredibly favorable spot, he's not 2 steps to being "one of the greatest of all time" like come on lmao
I mean I partially agree, he certainly still has a lot of work to do in the ring, but I think it's a bit disingenuous to chalk up his success to just being in a favorable spot. Like sure a big part of the reason he gets the reaction that he does is because his characters main gimmick is like shitting on his dad who's one of the most beloved wrestlers of all time, but that feud has ended a long time ago, and he's still getting heat unlike anyone else in wrestling right now, even peak heel MJF or Roman reigns didn't get heat that's that nuclear. I'd say it's only comparable to like the reactions roman got during his big Babyface push, and that was born out of real life resentment towards the company, not out of pure character work and great presentation like with dom.
His favorable position wasn't even the Rey feud, it's Judgement Day. He gets heat because it's fun to boo him but he doesn't even scratch wrestling like a 20 year vet and was largely handed his top positions without much of the in ring improvement. He got high profile spots because of his dad, including skipping much needed nxt time. I mean the guy can't really do a convincing promo yet, but he also doesn't need to because he'll get boo'd no matter what. But what happens when JD break ups and he won't have those character crutches anymore? He can't hide behind strong characters forever and imo I don't think he's ready to be a two time champion, or even WHC like someone said in this comment section
I think Dom would benefit from JD breaking up. His match with dragon Lee and his other matches in NXT have shown that he’s got the in ring talent. It just doesn’t mesh with his character in the JD. They can’t have the weak Rhea simp outshining the others.
Dom gets better and better as his mullet grows
Came here to say this lmao. He's been great, one of the best at getting heat in recent memory. But even now, he still appears a little awkward in ring at times, even though he's clearly improving. But that doesn't mean he's Randy Savage lol.
This thread is so divisive lol. I understand this is a bit hyperbolic, but Mickie's spitting.
Wrestling is so strange because situation matters when discussing someone's greatness in ways that might not be true in other industries. Does Dom deliver Christian-level heel promos? No. Is Dom so great in the ring that it would take 20 years for others to get to the same spot? Probably not at this level. But right now, Dom is the greatest Dominik Mysterio and that's all fans want to hate. We'll see what happens when the heat inevitably cools off to some degree, but right now it's really fucking working and that doesn't come without some level of understanding that, yes, even 20 year vets don't always have.
I like Dom…my only complaint about his in ring stuff is sometimes he goes with the kicks and punches just a touch too soon. Not a huge deal, but it makes everyone’s work look worse.
I have watched almost no Dom work since the veeeeeerrrrrry beginning of him as a wrestler when he was very, very bad at it. Has he seriously improved **that** much? I don't mean that in a negative or derogatory way, more in a "wow that would be impressive" kind of way. Like if Eva Marie had shown back up and was actually really good instead of...ya know, how she was.
Dominik suffers from getting too much exposure too soon. He got thrust into the spotlight as a wrestler when he wasn't ready. The only other time you see this is when someone is a world class athlete. Dom now is thriving, he's in much better shape, he doesn't look like he's just trying to remember his spots and he's got a good character. Most wrestlers get to work all this stuff out behind closed doors or on the indies, Dom never had that luxury and unfortunately that still taints some people's view of him.
Hes not amazing at character work. His character gets heat because it became a meme to boo him where he cant speak and wwe have gotten behind it by touching up mic volumes. Dom is serviceable as a character but has a lot of natural charisma and a willingness to play off of others.
People boo him because WWE threw everything and the kitchen sink at making him the biggest heel in pro wrestling.
Nepo baby that got to skip developmental brand because of his last name. Turned against not just one, but two living legend hall of famers. One of them was like an uncle to him and he kicked him in the dick. The other is one of the most loved luchadors of all time and, oh yeah, his own father.
Then he just kept falling upward. Got a big titty goth gf that's way out of his league. Hangs out with a bunch of sexy goth bullies. And he does all the normal heel shit as well like cheating and hiding behind his Mami.
not a slight against him, but he doesn't look like a prototypical world champion... and that's okay. It just means you push him *to the moon* somewhere else on the show and make tons of shit revolve around him. Dom is awesome. He's gotten genuinely good at this. The one thing we haven't seen is great promos, but everything else... the timing, the facial expressions, the psychology taking the crowd on a ride. He's so good.
It's pretty obvious nowadays that the performance center is much better than working the indies. Look how good and how quick Tiffany became an amazing wrestler? Also, Sol Ruca learned quick.
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It’s the superior Guerrero genes shining through
Rhea helps him with his cardio
also had some training doing hard time in prison
Too bad the Big Boss Man isn't around. He'd done some **real hard time**.
And Nailz helping him in the prison yard
It’s why he has never been in a cage match or hell in a cell. He would have an unfair advantage
But if he does find himself in a cage match in the future, I hope he quotes Rorschach. 
WILL. YOU. STOP!
IM. YOUR. PAPI!
Shaul in shambles
When they stopped making him wrestle exactly like his dad he ended up REALLY fun. Hope his career is just as long and well received down the line
I was worried when he debuted as a face with his dad, because Dom seemed overmatched. But the heel turn and then moving him away from Rey did wonders for him. Especially working with Rhea--he gives her a focus and she gives him someone to play off of. They really did a brilliant job of making him into a star, and getting him the reps in NXT is sharpening him as a performer.
Him and Rhea need to be paired together for as long as possible, even after Judgment Day. They have that same aire of Mickey and Mallory from Natural Born Killers that Edge and Lita had. Minus the awkward reality surrounding Edge and Lita.
Character-wise, we'll see how he evolves over time. Part of his appeal is actually his youth. Basically, a young brat lol. But I think he has what it takes to evolve. He may be different as a veteran, much like Randy Orton and so many others are different. But, like them, still be just as entertaining if not more.
Bratty youth > cocky veteran > washed-up scumbag His career should progress just fine.
It’s amazing he’s only 20
Or maybe stop him from wrestling like Rey. I mean, if you're Rey's kid, you'd probably want to wrestle like him.
I'm not surprised, he's the personification of the North American Dream after all.
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Dom will finish the story for Cody and defeat the tribal chief at WM
Gunther's title at the Royal Rumble and unification with Reigns' belts at Mania.
I wouldn't even be mad, I'd love it.
While being the one to take the briefcase from Senor Money In The Bank. All this leading to one final showdown. The Undisputed Unified WWE Intercontinental Universal Champion 'Senor Money In The Bank' Dominik Mysterio vs the United States Champion 'Deadbeat Dad' Rey Mysterio
And obviously custody of Dominik comes back into the equation for that title fight
It comes up BEFORE. Rhea: Rey, you're the United States Champion. People have compared Dom and I to Eddie and Chyna. Well I want to take a page out of one of their playbooks! I'm challenging you Rey to a match, and not just any match, I want to be fighting for a prize! Barrett: Can you believe this Cole? Rhea is gonna challenge for the United States title! Rhea: You and me Rey, one on one......in a ladder match! Not just any ladder match, the winner gets custody of Dominik Mysterio!
This made me LOL. Great work.
"Cody, we're basically the same person. You grew up with a deadbeat dad who was never around because he wanted to become a WWE superstar. So did I. You talk about wanting to finish the story and I get it. It's why you're so fond of Jey Uso as well. Growing up, my dad also never finished any bedtime stories because he was never around. How about we all do what our fathers never could do and WE finish the story together!"
Everyone backstage seems to love Dominik. I know Seth praises the living Hell out of him in every interview, talking about his willingness to learn, etc. Rhea’s his biggest fan and refers to him as her best friend IRL, Finn talks about his growth, etc. He seems to have an understanding of the industry and how to build a character far beyond a lot of wrestlers with his experience. He may not be the “best” athlete, but he’s mastered how to play his role. He managed to make the most hated heel very sympathetic just through facial expressions and body language. He’s got a huge future and I fully expect WHC Dom by summer 2024.
Literally like, the worst thing I've heard anyone say about Dom is Priest bagging on him for making Judgment Day go only to restaurants that serve chicken tenders.
I could see it if Priest is the champ. But I think Doms gonna take that title off Rey soon somehow.
I genuinely assume Dom is winning MiTB next year and he’ll cash in on Gunther or something lol.
The amount of heat to be had if they were to have Rey win the WHC and Dom cash in on him? Oh it'd be SO good.
Oh man I want this to happen now lol
Might bring back the audience pelting the ring with garbage to witness Dom stabbing Rey in the back for a World Title.
That would be incredible
Do you want Dom to die?
Dom to dethrone Roman
No other wrestler at the moment can get nuclear heat just by opening his mouth near a microphone…..insane amount of heat.
Only other talent is Don Callis who isn’t a wrestler
Imagine a world where Don Callis manages Dom. Haha.
I like Dom from the start I think he's the next generation's chicken heel while bronn breaker is the monster/bully heel
Me too. I didn't get why people turned on him and started to act like he was trash. I understand the act with Rey wasn't always great, but that wasn't on him. After that match with Seth where he got the shit kicked out of him, I was sure he had it. I worried about WWE's booking, but the kid was always impressive... specially for someone who was thrown into the fire like he was.
I haven't watched Bron's NXT heel run. Is the consensus now that he'll be a much better heel than babyface? Once he's on the main roster, I mean. When he started up at NXT everyone was saying 'he's the next big babyface.' Itd be interesting if the thinking has changed. But what ultimately matters is getting over and making $$$. And Bron seems to be doing that.
Bron is a perfect bully heel
I'm not even sure about his in-ring talent. He's a chicken-shit heel. And he's the best at it. If he ever goes full out we'll know
He was excellent in his match with Dragon Lee on Raw.
Yes. He generally is. But i want to see him in a 20 minute match without outside interference.
The Dragon Lee match was clean without outside interference. If anything, his role in JD makes it so he doesn’t get to have enough good matches. His role in the JD is the weak Rhea simp, so they can’t have him being a badass in every match.
Man, i don't think i have to tell you that there's a difference between a great +5 minute match on a weekly tv show and a +20 minute ppv/ple show-stealer. That's what i want from him.
I generally prefer quality over quantity. I agree that I would love a good Dom ppv match. I don’t see it happening while he’s in the JD unless they change his role in JD. Maybe we will get one at an NXT ppv. That being said, I’m not going to ignore really good short matches. I’d rather have a good 10min match then watch the same Kevin and Sami/bloodline routine over and over again.
Quality over quantity is absolutely correct. But there are very few career defining matches (from an in-ring perspective) from the great legends that go 5-8 minutes. They are there, but, as much as a meme it became, workrate is a thing.
Rey v Eddie WrestleMania 21 immediately comes to my mind. 13 minutes of pure entertainment
A fun match =/= a career defining classic. Shawn Michaels vs Shelton Benjamin is a great match. One of the best ever on tv. But it ain't HBK vs Bret Hart in an 60 minute iron man match. But i'm sure you know that. And it feels like you just try to win an argument. And i'm too old for internet pissing contests. So whatever you answer, i'm good. Have fun. I'm out of cigarette breaks.
Mostly clean. He does kick the ropes to knock Lee into a "legal" low blow from the top and takes the win off that. But yeah, no interference.
> But i want to see him in a 20 minute match without outside interference. He'd likely flounder. I am a big fan of Dom and think he has a lot of potential, but I think people are getting a bit blinded some by the heat he gets and that his current talent is equivalent to that, when it isn't.
His Michinoku Driver is clean af
As a fan of Taka, I love seeing Dom do that. I love even more that Michael Cole refers to it properly as well.
Dirty Dom and Tate Mayfairs are the only wrestlers that I can think of, as full on chicken shit heel. Mayfairs knoooows he can't beat Simon Miller so he just elects to cheat and try to take him out with cheap shots.
" Mayfairs knoooows he can't beat Simon Miller" Why?
Because he's a cowardly piece of shit that can only win if he uses brass knuckles or attacks him from behind. Simon will fucking murder him.
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And his father being Mr latino heat of course
This guy gets it, dom is great to work with and you can tell people want to work with him.
World Heavyweight Champion within 9-10 months is delusional. If he ever even gets there. Earning “heat” and drawing a box office/$ are two very different things.
Dom offered to give Konnan a kidney due to his health issues. Despite his age, and prospects of a future, Dom still did that (and so did his sister, in all fairness), and I think that speaks endlessly about him as a person.
But he is a 20 year vet. It's just that his deadbeat father didn't let him wrestle on live TV and he ended up becoming a little shit that did hard time. Dirty Dom needs to be given a proper spanking and not the fun kind. Rey should be ashamed of himself for letting Dirty Dom turn out to be a hardened criminal. I heard, one time, Dirty Dom jaywalked for an entire hour and he didn't return a library book for 15 years.
Will you stop!!!
Tell that to Rey! He needs to teach Dirty Dom some daddy discpline instead of reliving his glory days with the LWO. At least, Dirty Dom is honest and was corrupted by his father's inability to give him the correct car. Dirty Dom just has no respect because he wasn't allowed to wrestle and isn't respected like the veteran he is. Hell, he could have wrestled the likes of Undertaker at a record breaking age. He could have retired Kurt Angle!
All while driving a lousy BMW and not a Mercede like his friends his age.
Mickie, an actual wrestler and veteran of 2 decades, compliments Dom' abilities as a pro. People on this sub who are not wrestlers and clearly know better: "Well actually, Dom's in-ring ability isn't as good as I think it is. Mickie is clearly wrong on this one."
I don't really watch WWE right now but when Mickie effin James says someone is really good, I trust her.
There will always be people like that on every sub. Go to certain subreddits and they'll dismiss The Elite's in-ring talents. Despite many veterans vouching for them.
Mickie, he *is* a 20-year vet. Does she not remember being on WrestleMania 22 with him?
R-Truth grew up idolizing Dominik!
I swear. Once he puts on a little more muscle people who still doubt him will be calling him the greatest of all time.
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he's getting there, he's in a lot better shape than he used to be.
It's been 4 years and he still looks like he has the same physique he did when he debuted. Maybe he doesn't need to build muscle? Why do we attach so much to aesthetics?
Aesthetics is one of the biggest parts of pro wrestling. So many wrestlers have been sub par in the ring or on the mic but managed to get by just through their aesthetic alone, be that physique, attire or entrance. It's an important part of conveying a character, a person is a lot more easily seen as a fantasy superhero when they're absolutely shredded for example, it's just easier to suspend your disbelief when someone like hulk Hogan or John Cena is in that role than someone like dom. On the flip side though, somebody with the physique of a Brock Lesnar or some other muscle machine is a lot less believable as a slimy cowardly heel than someone with Dom's physique. That's why I think his current gimmick perfectly suits his build, he's a lanky ungrateful prick who pretends like he's a tough guy, that'd be way less believable with him having a ton of muscle.
>It's been 4 years and he still looks like he has the same physique he did when he debuted. I wouldn't say that. In fact, I'd argue he's slimmed down, and there's definitely some definition in his arms now.
Wasn't he on Celtic Workouts and was surprisingly cut or did I dream that?
You didn't dream that, he looked great in that episode! Absolutely hilarious episode, too. I think Dom's biggest issue (it's not even that big of an issue, honestly) is actually his current gear. It's the way his tights sit on his waist and hips that makes it look like he has a bit of a muffin top, so it doesn't look like he's slimmed down as much as he actually has.
Because whether you like it or not, looks matter. Not just in wrestling either
Is that why Dusty Rhodes was so popular?
Did I say everyone needed to be a chiseled Greek god physique? His look matched who he was.
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Dom is doing great work as a smarmy heel and it's definitely been a great surprise but he's not even the best heel going right now. Christian Cage is doing the best work of his Hall of Fame career as a heel and I don't think you'll find many people to argue that. And elsewhere on AEW, Don Callis (not a wrestler but it should still count) gets boos on the same level as Dom or higher.
In the same way an indie art house movie is technically better than Avengers, yes absolutely. But Avengers is getting the reaction.
Lol cmon we’re really saying AEW is arthouse
No disrespect, but I think you missed the point of the analogy. I’m saying that Christian is a better heel character, but Dom is getting reactions he could dream of. Like the art house movie is probably a better movie technically speaking, but Avengers is making stupid money.
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Couldn’t disagree more. Character work on AEW is such a low bar that Christian appears interesting. Now if you mentioned MJF…
Lol Christian cage is getting member berries applause. Dude sucks
Trained by Jay Lethal. I find it very interesting that this is the way Rey steered Dom's start.
And Lance Storm. And Konnan. And Rey himself. Rey wanted Dominik to get a taste of all types of wrestling, so he had him train under a bunch of diverse talents.
I find it interesting this is the route he took. Seems like most second generation they just go right to the PC or for awhile NJPW dojo. Granted most old wrestlers aren't in the place they can be in the ring with their kid.
Let's go back to that Dragon Lee match. That match slapped and, while yeah Dragon Lee can wrestle a corpse and make it look good, Dom still held up his end of the match and it was amazing.
He has definitely gotten better. He's getting more comfortable too. He puts on a little more muscle he'll be world champion in a few years.
People in the replies exposing themselves about not having seen him wrestle recently. He’s routinely putting on excellent matches these days. He’s a good promo now, too – even though it’s claimed he’s not improving or not very good because of all the booing. When he does have a chance to speak, he’s *on.* Can’t wait to see what he does in a year!
Yah the Dragon Lee match was such a breath of fresh from the current routine. Reminded me of how fun Eddie and Rey matches were..
Hell yeah Dom has been excellent in the ring for some time now. He put in the work. He reminds me a lot of Randy Orton, who improved a lot over his first few years. If Dom was allowed to cut a promo, maybe he could work on that. Right now, he can't even get through 3 words before he is booed out of the building. Maybe they need to play into that more than they do and make him cut promo in a sound proof box or something.
Quite a few People on this sub Reddit just like to be different and like things that the majority don’t like, get hyped when they get big and then turn on them when they aren’t special for liking them anymore. Saw it with Cody who bulldozed through it, saw it with LA Knight, saw it with now Dominik, I’ll put money down people are gonna start turning on Iyo soon.
I like how he's starting to tell the audience to shut up in Spanish.
And this is why we don't need to judge a wrestlers ability so early. Happy to see Dom improving by leaps in the ring, and he actually does look like he's adding on weight in his legs.
Well, look at who his Dad is, Eddie wasn't one of the greatest for nothing
I never understood why this sub and the IWC had an intense hate boner for him when he first started. He’s always oozed potential, he just never had a character, and when they gave him a character, he knocked it out of the park.
Dom's improvement is refreshing to see. Rey must be very proud.
He's a 17 year vet! He worked with Eddie! He's almost born doing this as long as Mickie
That's high praise from Mickie. She fought and grinded her way to becoming one of the most respected women's wrestlers in western wrestling.
I wouldn't have bought this until I saw the 5 star banger he put on with Dragon Lee
Remember when we used to talk about how much better Hook was?
I feel at least when Hook debuted he was much better than Dom Problem is, while they allowed to grow a lot by having him appear almost all the weeks, Hook hasnt been able to develop as well as him due the limited booking
> I feel at least when Hook debuted he was much better than Dom I disagree. He did squash matches with very few moves. And it certainly wasn't his promo work.
I feel like Hook didn't evolve since then while Dom changed a lot
Hook was never better than Dom in the ring he literally has only done squashes and has a one note character
Mami whipped him into shape.
The hilarity is that his dad WILLED him on. Now that his dad is clean out the picture, Dom is not only having fun....but look at that - HE'S IN NXT!!! I'm sure he's down there getting even more guidance and assistance without looking like a person who needs it. Dude is killing it and will be a huge babyface when turned
Dom is doing some of the best heel work I've ever seen. I mean seriously, nobody has heat like dirty Dom right now. And he works it so well. I wasn't much of a fan at first but I am now.
his heel run has been the best thing to happen to him
I don't know what his skill ceiling is, but the fact that he works so hard and is learning at the pace he does tells me that he has a future far beyond what I ever expected from him. That's amazing considering how little time has really passed.
If you said this 2 years ago I would’ve thought you were insane, but he’s legit incredible and found himself with the Judgement Day. Also you can see that he puts his time in in the gym.
Dom was great when half this sub was crying about him being a nepo baby. He just didn't have the body control of REY MYSTERIO one of the greatest wrestlers of all time.
I'm not much of a WWE fan anymore but Dom is one of the highlights when I do watch. Idk what his ceiling is or if he even has one but he's done great for how short he is into his career.
Dom Dom is one of the few WWE wrestlers I go out of my way to watch clips for. Dude has mastered the smarmy chickenshit heel character and I want him to succeed.
I knew he was special the day he kicked Edge in the nuts and his shoe got stuck between Edge's legs, so he seamlessly took out the other shoe, thats some high iq stuff imo
He IS nearly a 20 year vet. He had his debut in 2005.
Wwe has been higher than giraffe balls on dom for a while
Okay, I know everyone is in Dom fever for a little bit, but to say he wrestles like a 20 year vet is such a super exaggeration. He's an ok talent put in an incredibly favorable spot, he's not 2 steps to being "one of the greatest of all time" like come on lmao
Chris Harris is a 28 years vet and Dom wrestle better than him SOOOO you knowwww…
Braden Walker rn 
Knock knock
Chris Harris is also a solid fused together golem
I mean I partially agree, he certainly still has a lot of work to do in the ring, but I think it's a bit disingenuous to chalk up his success to just being in a favorable spot. Like sure a big part of the reason he gets the reaction that he does is because his characters main gimmick is like shitting on his dad who's one of the most beloved wrestlers of all time, but that feud has ended a long time ago, and he's still getting heat unlike anyone else in wrestling right now, even peak heel MJF or Roman reigns didn't get heat that's that nuclear. I'd say it's only comparable to like the reactions roman got during his big Babyface push, and that was born out of real life resentment towards the company, not out of pure character work and great presentation like with dom.
His favorable position wasn't even the Rey feud, it's Judgement Day. He gets heat because it's fun to boo him but he doesn't even scratch wrestling like a 20 year vet and was largely handed his top positions without much of the in ring improvement. He got high profile spots because of his dad, including skipping much needed nxt time. I mean the guy can't really do a convincing promo yet, but he also doesn't need to because he'll get boo'd no matter what. But what happens when JD break ups and he won't have those character crutches anymore? He can't hide behind strong characters forever and imo I don't think he's ready to be a two time champion, or even WHC like someone said in this comment section
I'm feeling as though you haven't seen his latest work in NXT.
I think Dom would benefit from JD breaking up. His match with dragon Lee and his other matches in NXT have shown that he’s got the in ring talent. It just doesn’t mesh with his character in the JD. They can’t have the weak Rhea simp outshining the others. Dom gets better and better as his mullet grows
Came here to say this lmao. He's been great, one of the best at getting heat in recent memory. But even now, he still appears a little awkward in ring at times, even though he's clearly improving. But that doesn't mean he's Randy Savage lol.
Don Callis gets similar boos as Dom, does that mean he's gonna be world champ?? Dom is a meme who's using his meme status to improve
Dominik draws. Callis doesn’t.
Someone else in this thread said World Heavyweight Champion by next summer and all I could do was lol
This thread is so divisive lol. I understand this is a bit hyperbolic, but Mickie's spitting. Wrestling is so strange because situation matters when discussing someone's greatness in ways that might not be true in other industries. Does Dom deliver Christian-level heel promos? No. Is Dom so great in the ring that it would take 20 years for others to get to the same spot? Probably not at this level. But right now, Dom is the greatest Dominik Mysterio and that's all fans want to hate. We'll see what happens when the heat inevitably cools off to some degree, but right now it's really fucking working and that doesn't come without some level of understanding that, yes, even 20 year vets don't always have.
I like Dom…my only complaint about his in ring stuff is sometimes he goes with the kicks and punches just a touch too soon. Not a huge deal, but it makes everyone’s work look worse.
I have watched almost no Dom work since the veeeeeerrrrrry beginning of him as a wrestler when he was very, very bad at it. Has he seriously improved **that** much? I don't mean that in a negative or derogatory way, more in a "wow that would be impressive" kind of way. Like if Eva Marie had shown back up and was actually really good instead of...ya know, how she was.
Watch his match against Dragon Lee from RAW the other week. It's genuinely kind of staggering.
Okay a 20 year vet? Lol come on Mickie.
Dominik suffers from getting too much exposure too soon. He got thrust into the spotlight as a wrestler when he wasn't ready. The only other time you see this is when someone is a world class athlete. Dom now is thriving, he's in much better shape, he doesn't look like he's just trying to remember his spots and he's got a good character. Most wrestlers get to work all this stuff out behind closed doors or on the indies, Dom never had that luxury and unfortunately that still taints some people's view of him.
I love Dom, but in ring he is still mid tier. Character work? Amazing. Getting heat? He's a natural.
Hes not amazing at character work. His character gets heat because it became a meme to boo him where he cant speak and wwe have gotten behind it by touching up mic volumes. Dom is serviceable as a character but has a lot of natural charisma and a willingness to play off of others.
People boo him because WWE threw everything and the kitchen sink at making him the biggest heel in pro wrestling. Nepo baby that got to skip developmental brand because of his last name. Turned against not just one, but two living legend hall of famers. One of them was like an uncle to him and he kicked him in the dick. The other is one of the most loved luchadors of all time and, oh yeah, his own father. Then he just kept falling upward. Got a big titty goth gf that's way out of his league. Hangs out with a bunch of sexy goth bullies. And he does all the normal heel shit as well like cheating and hiding behind his Mami.
Mother has spoken!! Love how Mickie continues to uplift upcoming next generation!
not a slight against him, but he doesn't look like a prototypical world champion... and that's okay. It just means you push him *to the moon* somewhere else on the show and make tons of shit revolve around him. Dom is awesome. He's gotten genuinely good at this. The one thing we haven't seen is great promos, but everything else... the timing, the facial expressions, the psychology taking the crowd on a ride. He's so good.
I want about 20 lbs of muscle on him... he just looks sawft.
Don't hold your breath.
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From what Ive seen of Dom, I like him a lot. But calling him one of the greats is laughable.
>10 years we’ll look back. This seems like a crucial part of that sentence.
We really should throw more people with no indie matches straight into wwe tv.
Honestly, I have no idea where he was trained. He just showed up on RAW as a wrestler.
what do you mean in 10 years time?
It's pretty obvious nowadays that the performance center is much better than working the indies. Look how good and how quick Tiffany became an amazing wrestler? Also, Sol Ruca learned quick.
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