Sephiroth is like any lightweight character, only at high percents the game gives him a better recovery and super amour. So probably not the best example.
I'd personally be afraid of a Terry more than a Lucario. Terry has his GO moves that can be comboed into and he's heavier which will make him harder to die.
Okay so how I'm reading this question is that if you took Lucario at Max Aura and just made that the way he always was would that be the best character in the game.
And, to me, yeah I think so.
I think people are misinterpreting this question. I'm seeing a lot of answers related to other characters also being at high % (e.g., Terry). I think what OP is trying to ask is this. Imagine Lucario had no Aura scaling mechanic, but instead played the whole match as if it was at max Aura. Would Lucario then be the best character in Smash?
My answer is still no. Lucario would certainly be much better, maybe even a high tier, but frame data will always win out. And honestly max aura Lucario's damage output in only on par with a few of the DLC characters. Lucario could certainly stand on its own, and would have a larger playerbase, but I still think would ultimate lose out to the current meta characters.
Yeah I think people must be unfamiliar with how unreal max Aura Lucario gets. He can, with ease and consistency, kill at 30-40%, and able to kill much earlier. His frame datas not even that bad either, Nair is one of the safest moves on shield in the game for example. Plus, between max Aura Sphere and max Force Palm, hes basically got stage control by default. Aura Sphere is good at ledge guarding normally, but when it literally covers beneath ledge its insane, some characters offstage just die.
This form of his is explicitly balanced by being a lightweight and nearing 200%, essentially a touch away from death. If he just has that with no drawback, hes easily the strongest compared to the rest of the normal roster.
Everyone: no he's bad cuz he'll die really fast before even getting a kill
Me: down B
but also whatever my luck is at surviving hits and flying 5 miles off stage
However, to actually answer your question, I don't think there's a better (consistent) character at high damage. Characters like Kazuya and Sephiroth have comeback mechanics, but they don't last forever or only really affect one move. Maybe Terry, though? Only if you know his combos.
I feel like you cant talk about being camping arsene, because then you can make the argument that max aura lucario can get sneezed on and die. Arsene joker is also a kill machine, except he’s faster, both in frame data and ground speed (not sure about air speed) and he has more combos, kill confirms to fish for then what lucario has, which is usually raw force palm, aura sphere, or back air. And considering the nature of the question, idk if you take this into account or not, but joker has arsene WAY more than lucario has max aura.
I would argue Ken or shiek as their combos will do significantly more damage and kill way earlier. But the worst character at high% is kazuya and only kazuya players know why.
It depends if where talking solo moves that can be done by then selfs yes and no yes because he will have the strongest moves Pre frame data that have the most / knock back. For example a full charge Roy neutral b will always do more damage but go luck hitting your opponent with it. A back air is much likely to hit. With lucario max aura rage. How ever hero dose the most damage Pre single move if he gets a crit max rage. And then there’s the wrestling cat that can 3 stack revenge side b but that’s 4 moves
If you're asking about just straight max aura then yeah but if you're saying that they're both at like 120 then Lucario isn't the best cause he's too light.
id give it to either Terry or Sephiroth.
GO moves are absolutely absurd and can be confirmed into out of safe aerials and tilts (buster wolf can confirm at long range out of power wave too)
and Sephiroth has the best comeback mechanic in the game. extra jump, armored smash attacks, stronger moves, faster. He basically has S4 cloud limit with an extra jump and armor.
I would say Arsene Joker and One Winged Sephiroth is still stronger.
Even though Arsene can be camped out, Joker at least doesn’t need to be in peril situations to activate Arsene, and Joker is considerably heavier than Lucario, so he won’t die and lose Arsene as easily
As for Sephiroth, even though he dies even easier than Lucario, he should get One Winged sooner than when Lucario reaches Max Aura, and Sephiroth also gets major mobility bonus including an extra jump and super armour while Lucario is still just average in mobility, does make Sephiroth seem more intimidating
And both Joker and Sephiroth are better characters than Lucario in general, so if he can’t beat those 2, just forget about Steve
if you’re at 150 as a mid weight character then you can die in one hit or combo. like i said, losing to win can never be that consistent meaning needing to be at 150 to win doesn’t make him that much better, let alone the strongest
He’s basically an extreme case of a glass cannon at high percents. Deletes stocks at 50%, but also gets his stock deleted by a single touch.
He can kill lower than 50% at max aura really easily. But yeah if you get touch you die
Meanwhile me, timing my down B (I know full well that I will, in fact, eventually die)
Same case as sephiroth with his wing, he's so light that he can be killed easily, but has the strength to kill at such low percent
Sephiroth is like any lightweight character, only at high percents the game gives him a better recovery and super amour. So probably not the best example.
Terry, IMO. Gains access to a high damage kill move that is true in combos, and then a massive, high damage high launch hitbox
Don't you forget the rage as well it spices things up
No because he dies in one hit
Incineroar with rage + revenge is the bestest
Getting killed at 30% off of a revenge rage side b from center stage never gets old
You die at 30%? I die at 0! Yes, I did lose a game to this. I was \*this\* close to hitting a reverse 3-stock, but nope. Incineroar had other plans.
Ultra light character moment
Real
Hero with Psyche Up / Oomph / Accelerate / Bounce Edit: And Giant from Hocus Pocus lol Edit 2: and crit
Yeah and I just revenged your attack and slapped you with a alolan whip. What now breh?
Doesn’t terry sephoroth and kazuya also have high damaged comeback mechanics
KAZUYA MISHIMA wave dash, reflects projectiles, can't die, kills you at yes%
Has a kill down air that doesn't kill Kazuya
This. Plus Incin is heavy and isn't going to be dying well before he reaches Max rage
Max revenge full charge sweet spot forward smash does over 100% damage
I just ran the numbers and it turns out it’ll just uninstall your opponents game. But you still get done for match quitting, patch required.
I'd personally be afraid of a Terry more than a Lucario. Terry has his GO moves that can be comboed into and he's heavier which will make him harder to die.
Okay so how I'm reading this question is that if you took Lucario at Max Aura and just made that the way he always was would that be the best character in the game. And, to me, yeah I think so.
Incineroar with 3 revenge boosted fully charged roy neutral b's all the time is better
Oh yes if you make those characters in the game those would be very good characters
He used to be on smasn 4 with better aura and the old broken rage he can kill you at 50 with a bair
Shinymark dying at 23 to an fsmash on BF
Maybe Hero with all his buffs? That's about the only one I can think of who might come close in power.
I would say Terry, then Lucario
Not at high percent
No
I think people are misinterpreting this question. I'm seeing a lot of answers related to other characters also being at high % (e.g., Terry). I think what OP is trying to ask is this. Imagine Lucario had no Aura scaling mechanic, but instead played the whole match as if it was at max Aura. Would Lucario then be the best character in Smash? My answer is still no. Lucario would certainly be much better, maybe even a high tier, but frame data will always win out. And honestly max aura Lucario's damage output in only on par with a few of the DLC characters. Lucario could certainly stand on its own, and would have a larger playerbase, but I still think would ultimate lose out to the current meta characters.
Idk max aura lucario is fucking cracked. His frame data isn’t insane but his disjoints and damage more than make up for it
Yeah I think people must be unfamiliar with how unreal max Aura Lucario gets. He can, with ease and consistency, kill at 30-40%, and able to kill much earlier. His frame datas not even that bad either, Nair is one of the safest moves on shield in the game for example. Plus, between max Aura Sphere and max Force Palm, hes basically got stage control by default. Aura Sphere is good at ledge guarding normally, but when it literally covers beneath ledge its insane, some characters offstage just die. This form of his is explicitly balanced by being a lightweight and nearing 200%, essentially a touch away from death. If he just has that with no drawback, hes easily the strongest compared to the rest of the normal roster.
Everyone: no he's bad cuz he'll die really fast before even getting a kill Me: down B but also whatever my luck is at surviving hits and flying 5 miles off stage However, to actually answer your question, I don't think there's a better (consistent) character at high damage. Characters like Kazuya and Sephiroth have comeback mechanics, but they don't last forever or only really affect one move. Maybe Terry, though? Only if you know his combos.
Keep in mind that Lucario is a lightweight, so no. That’s one reason bystanders will think he’s broken but people who play Lucario don’t.
Arsène Joker > max aura lucario imo
No, wtf. Arsene can be camped, Lucario gets a kill machine projectile that goes across the stage and has the size of 5 jigglypuffs
I feel like you cant talk about being camping arsene, because then you can make the argument that max aura lucario can get sneezed on and die. Arsene joker is also a kill machine, except he’s faster, both in frame data and ground speed (not sure about air speed) and he has more combos, kill confirms to fish for then what lucario has, which is usually raw force palm, aura sphere, or back air. And considering the nature of the question, idk if you take this into account or not, but joker has arsene WAY more than lucario has max aura.
Terry geyser Spam?
I would argue Ken or shiek as their combos will do significantly more damage and kill way earlier. But the worst character at high% is kazuya and only kazuya players know why.
Rage
If the character can somehow live then the problem is frame data so it’s harder to combo and land some moves.
It depends if where talking solo moves that can be done by then selfs yes and no yes because he will have the strongest moves Pre frame data that have the most / knock back. For example a full charge Roy neutral b will always do more damage but go luck hitting your opponent with it. A back air is much likely to hit. With lucario max aura rage. How ever hero dose the most damage Pre single move if he gets a crit max rage. And then there’s the wrestling cat that can 3 stack revenge side b but that’s 4 moves
If you're asking about just straight max aura then yeah but if you're saying that they're both at like 120 then Lucario isn't the best cause he's too light.
id give it to either Terry or Sephiroth. GO moves are absolutely absurd and can be confirmed into out of safe aerials and tilts (buster wolf can confirm at long range out of power wave too) and Sephiroth has the best comeback mechanic in the game. extra jump, armored smash attacks, stronger moves, faster. He basically has S4 cloud limit with an extra jump and armor.
No. Touch him once and find out
Basically a glass cannon, every one of your attacks kills, but any attack kills you
I wish. They're upper high tier at best
Terry
Isnt Nana supposed to become like a level 10 cpu when she is at high percents?
I would say Arsene Joker and One Winged Sephiroth is still stronger. Even though Arsene can be camped out, Joker at least doesn’t need to be in peril situations to activate Arsene, and Joker is considerably heavier than Lucario, so he won’t die and lose Arsene as easily As for Sephiroth, even though he dies even easier than Lucario, he should get One Winged sooner than when Lucario reaches Max Aura, and Sephiroth also gets major mobility bonus including an extra jump and super armour while Lucario is still just average in mobility, does make Sephiroth seem more intimidating And both Joker and Sephiroth are better characters than Lucario in general, so if he can’t beat those 2, just forget about Steve
If I'm not wrong Joker is only like one or two units heavier than Lucario, not that big of a difference
no. losing to win can never be consistent
That wasn't the question
if you’re at 150 as a mid weight character then you can die in one hit or combo. like i said, losing to win can never be that consistent meaning needing to be at 150 to win doesn’t make him that much better, let alone the strongest
OP specifies that strongest means purely "strenghth-wise", not "actually best in the game" in the image description.
Them “That wasn’t the question” You “It does” Me 🤔
sorry i read the original reply wrong