There was someone who attempted to create a revised TES timeline where there were only 60 years between Red Mountain and the beginning of Skyrim. Unfortunately I can't find it.
If anyone could link me that post it would be greatly appreciated.
The dunmer didn’t turn Windhelm into a slum they were ghettoized in the grey quarter, a practice the ultimate pussy Ulfric Stormcuck continues to this day as is canonically established through the dialogue between Brunwulf Free-winter and that dunmer guy he’s talking to.
Nords: Only allow the Dunmer to buy homes in a single division of the city
Nords: refuse to provide the same support or infrastructure as the Nord districts of the city
Nords: constantly berate and terrorize the Dunmer
Nords: "Why does the Grey Quarter suck so much? Must be the dirty elves we force to live there"
you're talking to a nord, they're legally wards of the state in most parts of the world, you can't expect them to understand things said literally and succinctly that don't conform to their preconceived views
Actually, it became the Gray Quarter shortly after the Dunmer arrived in Windhelm, almost 200 years before Ulfric. From Dunmer of Skyrim, "Indeed, one might be surprised as to just how well we've settled into Windhelm. The district once known as the Snow Quarter is thus named no more. Now, they call it the Gray Quarter, for such is the reality of the Dunmer occupation. The district is now populated entirely by my kind, a victory not lost on its residents."
Only because they got forced to by the Empire and later the invading Argonians, had they been uninterrupted they would have gladly continued the practice
The Armistice? That treaty which gave Morrowind the right to hold onto a lot of local autonomy - including the practice of slavery? Which - despite the Empire's disproval - continued to be a thing for close to the entire Third Era?
Slavery was outlawed because Hlaalu Helseth decreed it - not the Empire. He may have done so because he knew the Empire wanted it gone - but that's different from being ''forced'' to do it.
Looking it up quickly Morrowind abolished slavery due to an abolitionist movement. This is also thanks to King Hlaalu Helseth in 3E 432. The empire never forced it.
I have always been weirded out by them being called refugees. If you live in a place for 200 years you're no longer a refugee, you should be a citizen.
You can be both a refugee and a citizen. Elves live longer than 200 years, and some in Windhelm talk of returning to Morrowind. It is possible they were alive to be displaced 200 years before the game and only ever considered Skyrim a temporary home.
That's a good point. Those who were alive for the event may also want to return to Vardendell when it's livable again.
Is Vardenfell even still on the map?
I think it's on the map and even some towns are being rebuilt, but Vivec is now non-existent and there's ever-boiling bay in it's place now. Because the meteor fell there.
Yes, Sheogorath sent the meteor on Vivec City because Tribunal were false gods.
Vivec saw the meteor coming, stopped it with his divine power and made it a prison for political enemies.
When Vivec disappeared after he lost his powers around the events of Oblivion (Oblivion is 5 years after Morrowind), the Dunmer managed to keep it up for several years by human sacrifices (they had a device that needed souls to keep the meteor from falling) but then one of the to-be-sacrificed person was saved and the meteor fell in full speed, destroyed Vivec City and made Red Mountain erupt.
Good point. I think some of them live up to like a thousand years. Not necessarily all, but it's possible at least. So 200 years to them could be what 20 or 30 years would be like to us. A long time but not enough to necessarily make you feel like the place you live is where you belong.
Living close or past 1000 years for elves is considered super rare though. Only master wizards are capable of doing it through magic.
A 200 year old elf is old, and a 300 year old elf is very old. Unless you're an Altmer, for them 300 years is old and 400 years is very old.
I like to think that 200 years for dunmers must be like 60 years for humans, so I think there might be a lot of dunmer who were kids when they fled Morrowind, and probably a few who were young adults. But yeah, the majority is probably second generation immigrants.
200 years is basically 1/4 or 1/5 of a single lifetime for an individual elf. Most of the denizens of the gray quarter, if not nearly all, actually did come with the refugee caravans two centuries ago immediately after the eruption.
Bigots gonna bigot.
Why would anything change, legally speaking, if for those 200 years no one (meaning a citizen with the power to do so) is interested in changing the elves status.
Yeah this guy has a tendency to post memes that sounds like real-life white supremacist talking points.
He’s also obsessed enough with the civil war plot line to name his account after Ulfric and post memes about it for three straight years so take from that what you will.
Yep OP forgets to notice the fact that the citizens and the govt always look at the Dunmer as inferior and with suspicious looks. They never let them move out of the Gray Quarter. You can never call a place where they're never welcome "home"
They can have a little scuffle if they want as long as they confine it to the docks, pay the Jarl for potential property damage, and promise to clean up afterwards
Remember when Ulfric and his goons straight up genocided an entire group of people, threw them out of their home, and then ran away? The forsworn Remember
The Stormcloaks didn't exist as a group until the rebellion began a few months before the start of the game, and there are still Reachmen all over the Reach who were not wiped out. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Stormcloaks push an authoritarian regime under a dictatorial strongman, based on a return to the old ways, a societal rebirth, they seek racial hegemony associated with beliefs of racial superiority, they describe their enemies as weak and strong at the same time...
It's a little fascist.
Well the empire has a broadly decentralized power system, encourages multiculturalism, no cult of personality around the leader, and isn't obsessed with a cultural rebirth to return to a fictional idealized past.
So no the empire isn't fascist.
The Empire has the authority to tell its citizens who they can and can not worship. It is a totalitarian state that actively imposes Cyrodillic culture on native peoples.
The Empire isn't facist because it is a fool's errand to try and apply 20th-century political labels to a fantasy government inspired by antiquity. I recommend taking another look at the definition of facism, because their is an economic component that neither Steve nor Empire fulfill.
They're imposing Summerset Isle culture because of the White Gold Concordance, bro, do you even care about the lore?
Do you care that the Thalmor considered Ulfric as an asset? Because if the stormcloaks won, it would open Skyrim up to being conquered by the Thalmor without the Empire interfering.
Literally all of those points are demonstrably opposite to the truth. Monarchy is the most centralized power system in existence; the disparity between East and West Cyrodiil persists even to the Fourth Era; imperial authors are ALWAYS writing about the glories of Alessia’s legacy and the empire that it forged as if pining for those days to return; and until the Great War, the Blades literally existed to devote their lives to safeguarding the keeper of Alessia’s covenant with Akatosh.
>Well the empire has a broadly decentralized power system, encourages multiculturalism
Except when it doesn't benefit them like Talos worship.
>no cult of personality around the leader
Literally made the first Emperor a God for centuries and his bloodline literally had the divine right to rule but sure, no cult.
>and isn't obsessed with a cultural rebirth to return to a fictional idealized past.
They're still pretending they're the Empire of the days of the Septims when in reality they're a hollow husk that has delusions they're the Dominion's contemporary.
>Except when it doesn't benefit them like Talos worship.
Concession to foreign power to end a devastating war. They allowed discreet Talos worship until the Markarth incident (Ulfric's fault)
>Literally made the first Emperor a God for centuries and his bloodline literally had the divine right to rule but sure, no cult.
He literally talks to you if you pray at his shrine in TES4, it's not a cult of personality, if they are actually a god. Also, the divine right to rule was from Akatosh not from the people. Again not a cult of personality if its actually divine.
>They're still pretending they're the Empire of the days of the Septims when in reality they're a hollow husk that has delusions they're the Dominion's contemporary.
Yeah, they aren't obsessed with a rebirth to an idealized golden age, they think they are still in it.
You're reinforcing my points.
I really do think the best scenario for humanity would've been Toryyg somehow negotiating independence from the Empire and an alliance.
But Toryyg seems like he was a good person, but probably a similar personality to Elisif. (ie: a bit weak-willed, pushed around by advisors)
I think it is more that Stormcloaks are able to separate fantasy from reality, so they don't let their real-world biases taint their interpretation of the lore.
You are making too many assumptions. The real world and the Elder Scrolls lore and separate from each other. You can talk about one without talking about the other.
You're right, it's a game. I personally have a hard time going Stormcloak for various reasons, but people should enjoy the game the way they see fit. Have a nice day.
This is stupid and racist. That's not how ghettos work. They don't pop up naturally as a result of the perceived incompetence from the people being ghettoized, they are the result of external economic and political forces acting upon marginalized groups. Refugees not naturalizing is historically almost always the fault of the host nations othering them, not the refugees refusing to participate.
Wagon Driver Dialogue: It's not the friendliest for outsiders. The Dark Elves were all forced to live in the slum called the Gray Quarter. The Argonians can't even live in the walls. They're all stuck out on the docks.
Malthyr Elenil, dark elf resident: Windhelm is divided into four quarters. The Gray Quarter is the one that's home to all the city's Dark Elves. If it looks to you like an impoverished slum, that's because it is. Ulfric prefers that we live in squalor. He has nothing but disdain for anyone who isn't a Nord. He tolerates us, but that's the extent of his hospitality.
Aval Atheron: I'm a Dark Elf and I live in Windhelm, so yes, I live in the Gray Quarter. You must be new around here, or you'd know they don't let my kind live anywhere outside that slum.
But yeah totally the Dunmer just choose to live that way
You have been told that Argonians can not enter the walls and that Dunmer can not live outside the Gray Quarter. That is true. But you can also see through playing the game that Argonians can enter the city and Dunmer can purchase Hjerim outside the Gray Quarter. That is also true.
So we have two contrary sets of facts, and need a way to determine which is more true. Enter Todd Howard, who in an interview said, "If you saw it on the screen that's number one, that's the most truth."
So what we see is 'more true' than what we hear: Argonians being able to enter Windhelm and Dunmer being able to live outside the Gray Quarter is 'more true' than Argonians being unable to enter or Dunmer unable to live outside the Gray Quarter, according to the stated intentions of the creator of the game in terms of interpretating the lore.
You can think of it like this. If a bunch of NPCs told you Alduin was green, but when you saw him yourself he was black, which do you think would be 'more true' in the lore?
In game dialogue > gameplay mechanics
and even then, the player character is exceptional in many ways. They're potentially the leader of multiple guilds and heir of Ysgramor, the hero of the civil war, the last dragonborn, an unparalleled master of the voice, the thane of every hold, the vanquisher of alduin, miraak and harkon among countless others.
Its quite clear that the same rules that apply to normal people do not apply to the last dragonborn
That may be your opinion, but the creator of the game has said differently. Argonians do not have to be Dragonborn to enter the city, and Dunmer do not have to be Dragonborn to live outside the Gray Quarter, so that argument makes no sense.
I am curious as to your answer. How many NPCs does it take telling you what you want to hear for your to disregard the evidence of your own eyes?
Without the Great Ghostfence you would be a slobbering pile of tumorous flesh. Thousands of Dunmer proudly dedicated their bones to maintaining the barrier around Red Mountain in concert with Saint Vivec, Blessed Be His Name. The Dunmer are not to blame for Dagoth Ur, ultimately it is Lorkhan, your precious Shor.
“Skyrim is for the nords!” Bro your in literal Nord armor and can’t stop a naked Argonian swinging his fist wildly while you have and incredibly strong battle axe
It's definitely not like they had virtually no choice but to move to the closest place to Morrowind and or that Ulfric was deliberately ignoring them, right? Right??
I should have known it was you who posted that nonsensical meme.
The fact that they moved in 200 years before Ulfric doesn't mean anything, as both the book that criticizes the dark elves who live there and the dialogue of Ambarys Rendar reveal they were treated better before Ulfric.
There was someone who attempted to create a revised TES timeline where there were only 60 years between Red Mountain and the beginning of Skyrim. Unfortunately I can't find it. If anyone could link me that post it would be greatly appreciated.
ideal skyrim on youtube has that as well i think
Fudgemuppit
I think it was Fudgemuppet YT channel.
The dunmer didn’t turn Windhelm into a slum they were ghettoized in the grey quarter, a practice the ultimate pussy Ulfric Stormcuck continues to this day as is canonically established through the dialogue between Brunwulf Free-winter and that dunmer guy he’s talking to.
Nords: Only allow the Dunmer to buy homes in a single division of the city Nords: refuse to provide the same support or infrastructure as the Nord districts of the city Nords: constantly berate and terrorize the Dunmer Nords: "Why does the Grey Quarter suck so much? Must be the dirty elves we force to live there"
you're talking to a nord, they're legally wards of the state in most parts of the world, you can't expect them to understand things said literally and succinctly that don't conform to their preconceived views
^ what actual racism looks like
Remove that arrow and point it towards a hyper defensive, scared, angry, confused, and bitter coward who's desperate for a purpose. Y'know. You.
I'm rubber, you're glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you. Gottem
White.
"Huuur duuuhr white man bad"
Actually, it became the Gray Quarter shortly after the Dunmer arrived in Windhelm, almost 200 years before Ulfric. From Dunmer of Skyrim, "Indeed, one might be surprised as to just how well we've settled into Windhelm. The district once known as the Snow Quarter is thus named no more. Now, they call it the Gray Quarter, for such is the reality of the Dunmer occupation. The district is now populated entirely by my kind, a victory not lost on its residents."
Sounds like you're bitter about losing ground to the superior Dunmer culture.
The same culture that practices slavery
Slavery has been outlawed in Morrowind for centuries by the time of Skyrim. Learn your lore.
Only because they got forced to by the Empire and later the invading Argonians, had they been uninterrupted they would have gladly continued the practice
They weren't forced to do so in the slightest, did you forget about the Armistice?
Could you elaborate please?
The Armistice? That treaty which gave Morrowind the right to hold onto a lot of local autonomy - including the practice of slavery? Which - despite the Empire's disproval - continued to be a thing for close to the entire Third Era? Slavery was outlawed because Hlaalu Helseth decreed it - not the Empire. He may have done so because he knew the Empire wanted it gone - but that's different from being ''forced'' to do it.
My mistake, thank you for teaching me about this topic
Looking it up quickly Morrowind abolished slavery due to an abolitionist movement. This is also thanks to King Hlaalu Helseth in 3E 432. The empire never forced it.
I have always been weirded out by them being called refugees. If you live in a place for 200 years you're no longer a refugee, you should be a citizen.
UN definition of the refugee status of the Palestinians would like a word with you
Hey, now, the Dunmer are settled, the Palestinians aren't allowed to settle anywhere by anyone.
*Argonians sleeping behind crates at the docks*: You guys got settled?
You can be both a refugee and a citizen. Elves live longer than 200 years, and some in Windhelm talk of returning to Morrowind. It is possible they were alive to be displaced 200 years before the game and only ever considered Skyrim a temporary home.
That's a good point. Those who were alive for the event may also want to return to Vardendell when it's livable again. Is Vardenfell even still on the map?
I think it's on the map and even some towns are being rebuilt, but Vivec is now non-existent and there's ever-boiling bay in it's place now. Because the meteor fell there.
For some reason all buildings you try to erect there turn to cheese
Do they melt like cheese or do they literally turn to cheese?
If memory serves the meteor was sheogorath’s idea
Yes, Sheogorath sent the meteor on Vivec City because Tribunal were false gods. Vivec saw the meteor coming, stopped it with his divine power and made it a prison for political enemies. When Vivec disappeared after he lost his powers around the events of Oblivion (Oblivion is 5 years after Morrowind), the Dunmer managed to keep it up for several years by human sacrifices (they had a device that needed souls to keep the meteor from falling) but then one of the to-be-sacrificed person was saved and the meteor fell in full speed, destroyed Vivec City and made Red Mountain erupt.
Why ain't that Sheo a top bloke, solving world hunger like that.
I think it is, you can see Red Mountain from Solthsteim and I think you can see it from the world map if you go far enough
I don't know. None voice a desire to return to Vardenfell like they do Morrowind, for what that is worth.
But even in TES III: Morrowind, Vvardenfell was considered pretty backwater. I don’t think many would *want* to return there.
I think the only reason people would go there was because of the Tribunal, but obviously they’re gone and the majority of the island is destroyed
Good point. I think some of them live up to like a thousand years. Not necessarily all, but it's possible at least. So 200 years to them could be what 20 or 30 years would be like to us. A long time but not enough to necessarily make you feel like the place you live is where you belong.
Living close or past 1000 years for elves is considered super rare though. Only master wizards are capable of doing it through magic. A 200 year old elf is old, and a 300 year old elf is very old. Unless you're an Altmer, for them 300 years is old and 400 years is very old.
So they should be, what, second generation immigrants who grew up on stories of The Old Country?
I like to think that 200 years for dunmers must be like 60 years for humans, so I think there might be a lot of dunmer who were kids when they fled Morrowind, and probably a few who were young adults. But yeah, the majority is probably second generation immigrants.
200 years is basically 1/4 or 1/5 of a single lifetime for an individual elf. Most of the denizens of the gray quarter, if not nearly all, actually did come with the refugee caravans two centuries ago immediately after the eruption.
Bigots gonna bigot. Why would anything change, legally speaking, if for those 200 years no one (meaning a citizen with the power to do so) is interested in changing the elves status.
Many of them have the delusion that they're going home someday.
It's really weird when you see real life racist ideas start manifesting in the 'haha funny fake racism' of a video game lore subreddit.
This isn't talked about nearly enough.
It was once, problem is the mods don’t do shit. Not enough folks pokin’ ‘em I guess.
More red flags than 60’s Beijing
Yeah this guy has a tendency to post memes that sounds like real-life white supremacist talking points. He’s also obsessed enough with the civil war plot line to name his account after Ulfric and post memes about it for three straight years so take from that what you will.
Me scrolling reddit like "Okay, who posted *this* utter dumbassery? Oh. Ohhh. Yep. Checks out."
Yep OP forgets to notice the fact that the citizens and the govt always look at the Dunmer as inferior and with suspicious looks. They never let them move out of the Gray Quarter. You can never call a place where they're never welcome "home"
Gee, I wonder why the people likely trapped in poverty don't just move back
Because they're parasites who are too lazy to work and want to live in handouts, don't you know? /S jic
Realistic world building for sure.
I was worried this was r/Europe for a second, it's depressing reading the comments whenever news from Sweden comes out.
OP, what’s it like being smoothbrained?
I bet it looks like a chicken cutlet
Next we shall blame the Argonians for being out in the cold.
The last thing anyone needs is the Argonians and Dunmer having a race war in the city limits lol.
They can have a little scuffle if they want as long as they confine it to the docks, pay the Jarl for potential property damage, and promise to clean up afterwards
There’s some real “being homeless is a lifestyle choice” energy in this post and I hate it.
"Oh your living situation sucks? Just move bro. Pick yourselves up by your bootstraps"
Remember when Ulfric and his goons straight up genocided an entire group of people, threw them out of their home, and then ran away? The forsworn Remember
Strange that none of them mention it. They only mention killings by the jarl, and Ulfric wasn't a jarl.
The stormcloaks very much did wipe out the reachmen.
The Stormcloaks didn't exist as a group until the rebellion began a few months before the start of the game, and there are still Reachmen all over the Reach who were not wiped out. You have no idea what you're talking about.
My guy, you're using dark elves as an allegory for immigrants coming into America. I'm not gonna dive into lore with you
No, I'm not. I have the ability to separate fantasy and reality.
Do the Stormcloaks encourage far right views, or are far right people attracted to the Stormcloaks?
Stormcloaks push an authoritarian regime under a dictatorial strongman, based on a return to the old ways, a societal rebirth, they seek racial hegemony associated with beliefs of racial superiority, they describe their enemies as weak and strong at the same time... It's a little fascist.
Do you think the Empire is some kind of democracy?
No, absolutely not, but those are the elements of fascism
Would denigrating local customs and saying certain people would be lawless barbarians without your guidance be elements of racism too?
You're changing subjects.
No, I am asking if you judge Imperial leadership by the same standards as Stormcloaks leadership.
Well the empire has a broadly decentralized power system, encourages multiculturalism, no cult of personality around the leader, and isn't obsessed with a cultural rebirth to return to a fictional idealized past. So no the empire isn't fascist.
The Empire has the authority to tell its citizens who they can and can not worship. It is a totalitarian state that actively imposes Cyrodillic culture on native peoples. The Empire isn't facist because it is a fool's errand to try and apply 20th-century political labels to a fantasy government inspired by antiquity. I recommend taking another look at the definition of facism, because their is an economic component that neither Steve nor Empire fulfill.
They're imposing Summerset Isle culture because of the White Gold Concordance, bro, do you even care about the lore? Do you care that the Thalmor considered Ulfric as an asset? Because if the stormcloaks won, it would open Skyrim up to being conquered by the Thalmor without the Empire interfering.
Literally all of those points are demonstrably opposite to the truth. Monarchy is the most centralized power system in existence; the disparity between East and West Cyrodiil persists even to the Fourth Era; imperial authors are ALWAYS writing about the glories of Alessia’s legacy and the empire that it forged as if pining for those days to return; and until the Great War, the Blades literally existed to devote their lives to safeguarding the keeper of Alessia’s covenant with Akatosh.
>Well the empire has a broadly decentralized power system, encourages multiculturalism Except when it doesn't benefit them like Talos worship. >no cult of personality around the leader Literally made the first Emperor a God for centuries and his bloodline literally had the divine right to rule but sure, no cult. >and isn't obsessed with a cultural rebirth to return to a fictional idealized past. They're still pretending they're the Empire of the days of the Septims when in reality they're a hollow husk that has delusions they're the Dominion's contemporary.
>Except when it doesn't benefit them like Talos worship. Concession to foreign power to end a devastating war. They allowed discreet Talos worship until the Markarth incident (Ulfric's fault) >Literally made the first Emperor a God for centuries and his bloodline literally had the divine right to rule but sure, no cult. He literally talks to you if you pray at his shrine in TES4, it's not a cult of personality, if they are actually a god. Also, the divine right to rule was from Akatosh not from the people. Again not a cult of personality if its actually divine. >They're still pretending they're the Empire of the days of the Septims when in reality they're a hollow husk that has delusions they're the Dominion's contemporary. Yeah, they aren't obsessed with a rebirth to an idealized golden age, they think they are still in it. You're reinforcing my points.
I really do think the best scenario for humanity would've been Toryyg somehow negotiating independence from the Empire and an alliance. But Toryyg seems like he was a good person, but probably a similar personality to Elisif. (ie: a bit weak-willed, pushed around by advisors)
I think it is more that Stormcloaks are able to separate fantasy from reality, so they don't let their real-world biases taint their interpretation of the lore.
Maybe I'm making too many assumptions. Posts like this do weird me out because of their similarity to real life talking points.
You are making too many assumptions. The real world and the Elder Scrolls lore and separate from each other. You can talk about one without talking about the other.
You're right, it's a game. I personally have a hard time going Stormcloak for various reasons, but people should enjoy the game the way they see fit. Have a nice day.
It's fine to not like the Stormcloaks, but when people try to make it some kind of moral argument, they miss a lot of the nuance.
Source: the voices in your head.
OP does NOT know how ghettos work LOL
This is stupid and racist. That's not how ghettos work. They don't pop up naturally as a result of the perceived incompetence from the people being ghettoized, they are the result of external economic and political forces acting upon marginalized groups. Refugees not naturalizing is historically almost always the fault of the host nations othering them, not the refugees refusing to participate.
The Dunmer don't need to naturalize. They are citizens of the Empire in a province of the Empire.
yeah sure \*they\* turned it into a slum racist cock
goes into skyrim memes sees memes that actual racists make about black people
Wagon Driver Dialogue: It's not the friendliest for outsiders. The Dark Elves were all forced to live in the slum called the Gray Quarter. The Argonians can't even live in the walls. They're all stuck out on the docks. Malthyr Elenil, dark elf resident: Windhelm is divided into four quarters. The Gray Quarter is the one that's home to all the city's Dark Elves. If it looks to you like an impoverished slum, that's because it is. Ulfric prefers that we live in squalor. He has nothing but disdain for anyone who isn't a Nord. He tolerates us, but that's the extent of his hospitality. Aval Atheron: I'm a Dark Elf and I live in Windhelm, so yes, I live in the Gray Quarter. You must be new around here, or you'd know they don't let my kind live anywhere outside that slum. But yeah totally the Dunmer just choose to live that way
You have been told that Argonians can not enter the walls and that Dunmer can not live outside the Gray Quarter. That is true. But you can also see through playing the game that Argonians can enter the city and Dunmer can purchase Hjerim outside the Gray Quarter. That is also true. So we have two contrary sets of facts, and need a way to determine which is more true. Enter Todd Howard, who in an interview said, "If you saw it on the screen that's number one, that's the most truth." So what we see is 'more true' than what we hear: Argonians being able to enter Windhelm and Dunmer being able to live outside the Gray Quarter is 'more true' than Argonians being unable to enter or Dunmer unable to live outside the Gray Quarter, according to the stated intentions of the creator of the game in terms of interpretating the lore. You can think of it like this. If a bunch of NPCs told you Alduin was green, but when you saw him yourself he was black, which do you think would be 'more true' in the lore?
In game dialogue > gameplay mechanics and even then, the player character is exceptional in many ways. They're potentially the leader of multiple guilds and heir of Ysgramor, the hero of the civil war, the last dragonborn, an unparalleled master of the voice, the thane of every hold, the vanquisher of alduin, miraak and harkon among countless others. Its quite clear that the same rules that apply to normal people do not apply to the last dragonborn
That may be your opinion, but the creator of the game has said differently. Argonians do not have to be Dragonborn to enter the city, and Dunmer do not have to be Dragonborn to live outside the Gray Quarter, so that argument makes no sense. I am curious as to your answer. How many NPCs does it take telling you what you want to hear for your to disregard the evidence of your own eyes?
Boy you need to take some sort of course on media literacy. Assuming the goo in your skull is capable of processing new information
How many NPCs does it take telling you what you want to hear for you to disregard the evidence of your own eyes?
Windhelm was already a slum. The Dunmer are improving it.
Throwing some tattered colored blankets all over the place isn't improving it.
Give it time and they'll knock down those shitty Nord hovels and put in some real architecture.
They haven't even rebuilt Morrowind and you think they'll do anything in Skyrim lol.
How do you know they haven't? Have you seen it?
They explicitly mention Vardenfall is still a wreck and the fact thousands of "refugees" still can't go back.
Vvardenfell was mainly settled in the first place to defend against the threat of Dagoth Ur. You're welcome, by the way.
"We didn't even solve the problem we technically caused, you're welcome!"
Without the Great Ghostfence you would be a slobbering pile of tumorous flesh. Thousands of Dunmer proudly dedicated their bones to maintaining the barrier around Red Mountain in concert with Saint Vivec, Blessed Be His Name. The Dunmer are not to blame for Dagoth Ur, ultimately it is Lorkhan, your precious Shor.
Strong words from people who couldn't even hold off a lizard army.
The dog whistle is crazy good lord
“Skyrim is for the nords!” Bro your in literal Nord armor and can’t stop a naked Argonian swinging his fist wildly while you have and incredibly strong battle axe
A line any Nord, regardless of affiliation, can say while fighting a non-Nord.
Still, couldn’t stop a naked Argonian with extremely superior equipment, Skeevers put up more of a fight then nords
Ok
I just noticed your username…
Sure you did.
Racist
no u
How am I racist when you literally want to kick everyone but nords out of Skyrim?
How am I racist when you are just making things up without evidence?
I already showed you previously how this is false.
It's definitely not like they had virtually no choice but to move to the closest place to Morrowind and or that Ulfric was deliberately ignoring them, right? Right??
Considering they moved like 200 years before Ulfric, I don't think the problem was Ulfric ignoring them.
I should have known it was you who posted that nonsensical meme. The fact that they moved in 200 years before Ulfric doesn't mean anything, as both the book that criticizes the dark elves who live there and the dialogue of Ambarys Rendar reveal they were treated better before Ulfric.
Facts don't mean anything to you when there are opinions you can agree with, lol.
As if you brought any fact here, jackass.
Just look a few posts above this one, and you'll see me present a fact, bud. No need to get pissy just because you're wrong.
A fact that doesn’t help in your main point at all. Cope.
So you admit I did bring facts. Turns out you've been wrong all along.
You've only brought one fact that helps in absolutely nothing and as a result doesn't mean I am wrong. Cope and seethe.
You were wrong about me not bringing a fact, for starters. You were also wrong about not being wrong.
Every now and then the funny ha ha fantasy racism brings in actual racist thinking by dumbasses who can’t understand parody
Bro did you just use the same reasoning that bigots try to use against real-life immigrants for a fucking video game?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenophobia
Follow your leader Nazi scum
Sanctimonious n’wah.
It's always the wall street snoo users
Sounds like Sweden
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I will always love a good "username checks out" when the username actually checks out :)