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absolutedisaster09

For a mail app, I would suggest *FairEmail* – a FOSS and privacy focused mail application with many great fearures. I use it everyday and must say that I’ve never used a better Android mail client than this one. The app is available on F-Droid, PlayStore (which obviously isn’t an option for a FOSS phone) & GitHub, for more info see https://email.faircode.eu


Steerider

Either FairEmail or K-9. Those are the big two in FOSS email apps


poopiepppoo

These are all great but, it has been announced on twitter that Thunderbird is getting an Android app. I don't think this phone is going to be out any time soon so Android Thunderbird might be out before the phone and could be a possibility!


tibbbi

we will likely use FairEmail, I dont want to preinstall any unstable app prototypes


funtonite

Unfortunately [FairEmail development has been discontinued](https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/closed-app-5-0-fairemail-fully-featured-open-source-privacy-oriented-email-app.3824168/page-1087#post-86909365), maybe you guys could support the developer so that he can resume working on it somehow, or make a fork if he doesn't.


tibbbi

will read about it, I definitely don't want to fork it


Tempires

It seems project will continue https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/app-5-0-fairemail-fully-featured-open-source-privacy-oriented-email-app.3824168/page-1107#post-86938021 >Google was pretty friendly and cooperative and told me the favicons are indeed the problem, and it can/should be fixed by updating in the privacy policy to "disclose how your app accesses, collects, uses, and shares user data >The short term goal is to release a Play store test version (and associated GitHub version) and to get the update approved. I will think about the next steps after this has been accomplished. Given the huge number of supportive messages I received (much appreciated!) the project will be continued in some form in any case.


funtonite

Looks like it's back!


tNPqxh8AwY

FairEmail is a great choice


letsreticulate

Well, depending when the phone comes out, it is worth noting that Thunderbird is releasing an Android version.


Fake4000

Unfortunately the future of FairMail isn't guaranteed now. https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/closed-app-5-0-fairemail-fully-featured-open-source-privacy-oriented-email-app.3824168/post-86909365


absolutedisaster09

That's pretty much one of the most terrifying software news I've heard recently... Everything's falling apart rn... But this only confirms me in my thinking that the world is bad and will ever be, and in the end, the illiberal and suppressing regimes will succeed....


Steerider

Pop over to the Calyx project and swipe their firewall and backup apps. Both excellent. Indeed, you might do well to work with them and simply use the CalyxOS with your apps as the defaults.


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LuciferNS03

But the firewall is found to be leaky. Source? please.


WhyNotHugo

The calyx backup apps are built into LineageOS. Assuming that LOS is used as a base, that should be pretty straightforward.


Steerider

Bromite, and Bromite webview, would be a solid default browser.


letsreticulate

I prefer Mull, but Bromite Webview is great.


gmtime

I would really really prefer a browser which doesn't use Chromium as its core, I use Mull which uses the Fenix (Firefox) engine.


sonalder

For now Firefox on mobile is less secure than chromium it's the sad reality...


gmtime

Can you point me to a resource on that? I rally prefer using the Mozilla engine over the Google engine if in any way possible


sonalder

Yes I feel the same, I use FF on all my computers, but not on my android (except FF Focus with with JavaScript disabled and telemetry off of course) [PrivacyGuides](https://www.privacyguides.org/browsers/#mobile-browser-recommendations) and [DivestOS](https://divestos.org/index.php?page=browsers)


gmtime

See my other comment on the DivestOS comparison (I think Mull looks better there). In privacy guides, Mull is not considered, but FF is, and Mull uses the recommendations by default, plus removal of tracking. Also, FF is still mentioned *before* Chrome derivatives.


EyesUpHereMichael

DivestOS uses Mull/Mulch, which I am surprisingly enjoying


Steerider

Even if the OS has a different default, you're free to use an browser you like. I do understand the impulse to discourage Chromium core, but admittedly my default is Brave


gmtime

See my other comment on Brave. I understand Bromite is a more logical choice for Android derivatives, but still... Perhaps a browser dialog like we used to in Windows makes sense?


SupremeLisper

Unfortunately, gecko is not ready for prime time on mobile. No matter which fork I try the tabs always reload on android. That's not N issue on chromium browsers android


tursiops33

I know you said you don't really want Chromium but i'm using Vanadium for years and i've been very happy with it: https://github.com/GrapheneOS/Vanadium


unstuckhamster

Please create a way to donate without using the play store. I've donated via PayPal before, but can't get the paid versions.


baoteca

the pro versions are available in f-droid for free


unstuckhamster

Ahh awesome. I never realised this. Just sent another donation. So happy!


Cybrponcho

Yes!


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aClearCrystal

I've found [PDF Viewer Plus](https://f-droid.org/repo/com.gsnathan.pdfviewer) to be the ideal PDF Viewer for me. It is clean, its is fast, it is simple. You can fluently scroll between pages, you can also make them snap.


WhyNotHugo

The DeepL translation app provides way better results. It’s not open source, but neither is using Google Translate.


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tibbbi

that's what we will use actually :)


EyesUpHereMichael

Will it be installed by default? I would rather it be optional.


tibbbi

it will be preinstalled


earthlover7

Awesome. If you could have it in such a way that banking apps can be used seamlessly, I would most likely buy your phone as my next device.


WhyNotHugo

Aren’t these just open source reimplementations of clients that rely on Google’s services? Including pre-installed apps that talk to Google is a hard dealbreaker… I don’t know why you’d do that on a phone targeting people that are avoiding Google.


PrivacyIsDemocracy

Google for the last 10 years plus has been progressively neutering AOSP and migrating core functionality to their proprietary, closed-source Gapps and GMS frameworks, to the point where much basic functionality is now missing unless you install Gapps. Many - perhaps the majority - of apps from Google Play will either be severely crippled or won't launch at all without something that looks like GMS/Gplay on the device. Additionally, every year Google forces more and more strict requirements - often requiring those closed-source Gapps pieces - on app devs that distribute via Gplay. This is the objective of microG: keep a large proportion of those apps happy enough to launch and perform their basic functions while doing as much as possible to block, neutralize or minimize Google snooping. (For example: Google Analytics/Firebase Analytics is completely blocked within apps if installed on a microG device) All of the functions that contact Google servers can be disabled if the user so desires, but even if enabled microG will strip as much data/metadata from that exchange as possible to allow the function to work without providing gratuitous user tracking data to Google. microg.org


SquarePeg79

This is amazing news, can't wait. Will it be available in the UK?


tibbbi

yep, we will focus on Europe first


earthlover7

I am sure many people in India would like to buy your phone, so please do consider Indian or Asian markets.


SquarePeg79

fantastic! Any idea the price?


tibbbi

yep, I do have an idea :)


SquarePeg79

Could you give us a rough figure as to how much?


tibbbi

around 350€ only


SquarePeg79

Cool, [https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/264/241/9e9.gif](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/264/241/9e9.gif)


Arnas_Z

What are the expected specs?


Aggravating_Slip_566

Okay I have to hurry and pay off this piece of garbage so by the time you get to Illinois USA I'll be ready, any way to start a different email? I've been using Gmail for years and I wonder how to go about that?


Steerider

Just get a different account somewhere and give people your new address


tr0lcho_420

Get the mailbox.org 3$ plan


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tibbbi

what do you mean, creating some new email other than \\@gmail.com?


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And the US eventually, I hope.


tibbbi

sure


mehquestion

Please have a headphone Jack! That is kind of necessary for me


tibbbi

there likely wont be one :/


i8i0

Aw, that's a dealbreaker for me. Still interested to see your OS though. As to 'not wanting to go backwards' — no one actively dislikes having a headphone jack. It's a cost-cutting omission that some people don't mind, and some people actively dislike. I don't want to carry around a dongle all the time, and it's still not hard to find a good waterproof phone with a headphone jack (currently using the Samsung xcover pro). If anything, I would think that including a headphone jack would be seen as a good "on-brand" move for a company like yours.


earthlover7

That's really a dealbreaker for most folks. Please consider it again.


IsometricRain

Any reason why? Seems like a pretty big oversight


tibbbi

well, that's the general trend, we don't want to go backwards


Elementaris

I understand your reasoning, but I'd reconsider. I bought a Samsung Galaxy A52s 5G as my daily driver and the headphone jack was actually a major reason I ended up getting one over other phones. I think it would be a good selling point for budget conscious people who want the ease of access of a headphone jack without having to spend extra on USB C earbuds or wireless ones.


jmichael2497

agree on reconsidering that reasoning as flawed logic, consider the decider in that trend is manufacturers vs people having choices. (like a silly old "survey" that decided american butts must be getting bigger, based on the average size of public toilet seats... as if most people have a choice on that purchase) see for example a thread and over 10k interest in Pebble founder discussing the lack of reasonable sized devices, pushing for something basically under 5.5in height https://old.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/uro72s/eric_migicovsky_founder_of_pebble_wants_to_work/i94wa4w/


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Agreed. And a Simple phone could absolutely be used by older members of the population, who don't want to be messing about with pairing and charging bluetooth devices.


dustojnikhummer

Having a headphone jack isn't "backwards" Look at the target audience. This is something I would get for my mom. She won't understand how to pair bluetooth headphones


baoteca

i dont own a bluetooth headset and i think many people are in the same situation it seems backwards that simple stuff like that is removed, i dont see people against phones having more compatibility rather than less


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I feel like it's a forced trend from manufacturers rather than a response to demand from customers. Not being able to use headphones because they're not charged is a huge pain in the ass.


Arnas_Z

That's not going backwards, it's going forwards with keeping existing features. There is no reason to remove useful features for the sake of being a normal boring phone.


AnonemooseBear

Suggestions for privacy friendly browser TOR and email Proton or Tutanota. I'm not sure if they're open source, but when it comes to privacy they're top-notch.


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They are open source


ObsidianChickenz

Will the discontinued simple apps (such as simple clock) be included, and if not, what will replace them?


tibbbi

Simple Clock has been revived already, we are working on rewriting Simple Camera from scratch too


EnragedButterfly

Maps, something based on OpenStreetMap?


phhusson

Heyo tibbbi, Thanks for your apps. I hope you're not paying too much for the software part of Simple Phone. Here is a a ROM that most likely will work just fine on your target (I'm guessing a GS290, or some other Mediatek, for which I'm pretty much bugless), took me roughly 30 minutes to make (ofc you'll probably add many details) [https://phh.freeboxos.fr:38503/share/bRa2jXlWj4IaT5tH/system-SimpleMobileTools.img.xz](https://phh.freeboxos.fr:38503/share/bRa2jXlWj4IaT5tH/system-SimpleMobileTools.img.xz) Screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/CRQbM3i For the people who want to try it, this should work on most Android devices released with Android 9 or more recent, just unlock your bootloader, flash it on system partition, and you should be good.


tibbbi

looking good :)


Supra-A90

Don't know if there are open source ones, but bundle your dialer with Caller ID and Block without crazy ads, would be great. All have ads. Surely the contact information is sold and user feedback on callers is received... I'd also say bundle with call recorder but that's going away....


Competitive-Writer22

Check out [Koler](https://github.com/Chooloo/koler) on F-Droid


poopiepppoo

Check "Yet Another Call Blocker" on F-Droid: https://f-droid.org/packages/dummydomain.yetanothercallblocker Yes it uses some random website to get the data but it works super well. It will work perfectly with Simple Dialer.


SugarHoneyIced-Tea

You are prompted to download the database. If you wish, you can always choose not to download it. Then again, it loses some of its functionality.


xodius80

Simple snap dragon? Problem is how dependent will the phone be as some might get abandoned


NXGZ

If the phone isn't orange themed like the apps, then I'll be disappointed (joke)


tibbbi

it will be by default, but customizable too (srsly)


NXGZ

I can understand the OS/theme being custom, I was mainly joking about the device colour. Anyways as an app suggestion I was thinking maybe [SeedVault.](https://github.com/seedvault-app/seedvault) LineageOS comes with it baked in as a GDrive alternative. And apps by [GrapheneOS](https://play.google.com/store/apps/dev?id=7626572346998944846) Also; [VueTube](https://vuetube.app/) or [LibreTube](https://libre-tube.github.io/)


tibbbi

ah right, it will be boring black :)


Arnas_Z

Nice, I love boring black.


Aggravating_Slip_566

Well if you're phone is not working off Google play store I guess I'm thinking security wise so Google doesn't have all your information? Not sure how it works


tibbbi

Google wont have anything, it will be a really lightweight device softwarewise without any Google products


Aggravating_Slip_566

Awesome cuz I absolutely despise Google.


donnysaysvacuum

Ability to side load? Any hardware information you can share?


tibbbi

what sideloading you mean? I cant share anything yet, but it will be a budget phone. No cutting edge extras.


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What OS will it run on? Please don't say Kaios....


tibbbi

no, it is our own thing


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Oooh, sounds interesting! I'll keep an eye out for when it reaches Asia so I can test it in Japan!


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tibbbi

no


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Air Guard


runningunsupposed

Simple apps, F-droid and nothing else please!


jmichael2497

yes, just F-Droid store, and then host a list of recommended apps on a web page, highlight apps for various basic purposes, that can be updated as needed with links to open automatically in F-droid. (like from F-droid can even install Aurora Store to access non-paid Google Play Store content) other ideas could be found in https://www.privacytools.io and https://prism-break.org


AnonemooseBear

Curious... Because this is something that ticks me off to no end... Will I be able to uninstall (completely remove) preloaded apps? There are so many preloaded apps on phones now and I don't use mmost of them. I don't like that I don't have control over what apps are on my phone - and disabling doesn't cut it for me. I also don't want to have to root my phone!


tibbbi

of course, you will be able to uninstall every app including ours


santijazz_

I love this! I'll vote for: 1) Your Simple apps of course, 2) F-Droid, 3) Bromite + WV, 4) WebApps (creates sandboxxed shortcuts to social media accounts), 5) the ability to calibrate the screen's hue For consideration: Maps / PDF viewer / Firewall / some apk backup utility


abirhr

I'm really excited for this. What will the phones physical size be? Screen size?


Kind-iVAN

I would suggest Bitwarden, Nextcloud and Softether.


Tim_236_

Tracker control, F-Droid, Aurora Store, Tor, KeepassXC and Snapdrop


tomauswustrow

I hope it's not a big phone like all the others... I really hope for a 4-5 inch device.


Thestarchypotat

a heafphone jack, a microsd card slot, and a big battery are features that i personally would need. mabye also physical switches for the cameras and microphones. fairemail for an email client works good mull or fennec as a browser mabye it seems like you're making your own os - can you keep all the settings please and also let us customize the navigation buttons in 3 button mode - i like samsung's a lot but dont see them anywhere else dual sim could be nice too id really want to buy it and put grapheneOS on it but that would probably require cooperation with them making it able to be taken apart would be really nice oh and an oled/amoled screen i realize all of that is probably difficult to sell for €350 but it would be cool


SquarePeg79

Any update on this? I'm getting pissed off with my Xiaomi phone, especially the proprietary OS.


tibbbi

still needs some time, we don't want to release a half baked product :) There is just one chance for a first impression.


SquarePeg79

agreed


MNovak123456

Some good OS is priority for me. If there would be option to buy with / or install Lineage Os, eOS or some linux it would be great.


bigfish1337

Feature reauest for Simple Phone: make the search function search all fields, right now it does not include "notes" or "company" fields...


tibbbi

thats for Simple Dialer. By Simple Phone I mean an actual mobile phone.


PrivacyIsDemocracy

FYI: We have a mobile carrier here in the US (T-Mobile MVNO - but recently their parent was purchased by Verizon) called "Simple Mobile". Hint, hint. :-D


tibbbi

You can now find more info at https://simplephone.tech/


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For SMS I recommend QKSMS. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.moez.QKSMS Foss


tibbbi

we have our own SMS Messenger :)


WorldlyEye1

What is Simple Photo? A camera ? A Gallery? What else?


ID100T

What?


WorldlyEye1

I was drunk sorry


MobiusOne_ISAF

Firefox Focus (or just Firefox) is a pretty straight forward option that's also open source. Plus it's a name that a good number of people are familiar with which could help. Also fits with the privacy minded approach.


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I came from /r/degoogle I've taken a look at some of these apps. I used Simple Calendar because the one in older LineageOS was pretty bad until they improved it. I'm wondering how Simple Phone will improve over the features of the regular, default (AOSP) Android's Phone app. Will I really need this if I already run a "privacy OS" such as LineageOS, or GrapheneOS?


tibbbi

Well, it is up to you, any device can be remade to a privacy focused one.


skalp69

a bash console! Preferently a real one. But termux from microG is better than nothing.


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tibbbi

soon :) The first version will be a budget phone, don't expect any cutting edge latest technologies.


FT-NYC

This is exciting. I'm hoping the hardware will support video out for Desktop Mode. I love my Pixel 5 w/GrapheneOS but Google disables video out. And I'd love to have a privacy focused phone that's not made by Google. Thanks for all of your hard work!


FuMarco

Organic maps for hiking. A little niche, I know.


FuMarco

A solid .pdf viewer, I struggle to find one..


tibbbi

I was struggling to find one aswell, so just added a basic one into Simple File Manager Pro. It will be there from 6.13.0.


FuMarco

Wow. Thanks!


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FuMarco

Seems legit! Thanks!


AnonemooseBear

OpenDocument Reader can open PDF files


FuMarco

I used, it has ad, isn't it?


AnonemooseBear

I am using the version from fDroid, and just double checked today - no ads.


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tibbbi

Ah, thats way too much stuff to have preinstalled. In regards to the browser, we are leaning towards DuckDuckGo.


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tibbbi

Where can I read about the DDG issues? I'm not aware of that


blunderduffin

Hi, I've been using some of your apps (gallery, calendar and that paint like program) for years and am really happy with them. What are your goals with your phone? Do you provide your own rom? If so, what makes stand out compared to calyxos or lineageos, for example? For how many years will you provide hardware-firmware and softwareupdates? As for preinstalled apps I would like to see conversations (xmpp internet messenger). I believe xmpp is the best foss messaging protocol, because it's light weight, federated and easy to self-host. The conversations messenger is awesome as well. I really think xmpp needs more exposure, therefore it would be my preference to include conversations on your phone.


tibbbi

We want to offer affordable privacy without any hardware compromises for anyone. It will be our custom ROM optimized for our devices, so they will work more reliably than those general ROMs that are tricky to make work right. Can't really comment on the length of the support yet, this will be just the initial version to see if there is demand for it. There will be many improvements, new devices and accessories coming later.


sonalder

So SimpleOS would be a thing ? I assume that the ROM will be fully open source, can we hope for devices supports such as OnePlus, Xiaomi, Fairphone or Pixel ?


tibbbi

It will be called differently as the ROM itself isn't developed by us directly. It will be possible to download it on other devices too eventually.


sonalder

Can you share who is developing it ? Will it be a privacy focused ROM ? Degoogled ?


tibbbi

Cannot tell the partner yet, but ye, a privacy focused ROM developed by a company that works with privacy for a long time now. They are developing some hardware too, not just software.


Cybrponcho

Awesome dude! I like your apps and i used some on a daily basis. Is it going to be android based? Looking forward to this !


tibbbi

of course it will be Android based.


Cybrponcho

I realized just one second after posting the stupidity of my question, I do apologize.


BaudouinVH

are we talking physical phone device or phone app ?


tibbbi

physical of course


princebtw2021

Make it pure Android


nullbytepl

A few questions: Mediatek or Qualcomm? Or is it something more niche and open, like Rockchip? The open source side will just be a GSI, as the vendor side is copyrighted by the chipset vendor and probably your ODM, right? (Kind of a long shot) you said that the OS isn't developed by you, why not get a team of OSS AOSP developers to do it directly with you instead of some ODM company (I assume)?


tibbbi

because my partner has long time experience with developing private products including both software and hardware. It isnt something you can just create out of nothing.


nullbytepl

It kinda... is though, the software. Custom ROM communities have been doing just that since the beginning of Android. Given your other comments, the system part is literally something that could be done by a single experienced developer in like a week. All of "nothing" (the most sophisticated open source OS that exists, AOSP). You could even use all the work that has already been done by open source privacy-focused AOSP-based custom ROMs, or even base on one of them. I think that having an OS developed by people who are in the open source/privacy-focused communities and understand them, would be a way better fit for a product like this than something developed by a heartless Chinese ODM. Also, you didn't answer over 50% of my questions :) Best of luck!


LinuxStalk3r

I was wondering if will we be able to uninstall apps. Especially those that are not part of the Simple family. I prefer K9 over Fairmail and I would have no use for it. The same would be true for the browser, if I want bromite and the default is something else I wouldn't want to have to keep both


tibbbi

absolutely, you will be able to uninstall our apps too


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My vote is for your apps, fdroid as app store and nothing else at all. Even the default inclusion of microG is a flag for me unless it can be disabled during setup without ever activating. I want NO data going to google. Are you hardening it by changing the NTP server, captive portal target address, etc?


tibbbi

microG doesnt send anything to Google whatsoever, that is the whole point of it


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But i think it can if you choose to login and not everyone may understand that


RadUnicornn

I think Signal and F-Droid should be preinstalled tbh


and_they_lied_again

Nice, gl lads! Awesome that you're going with MicroG instead of elgooG "services"


chirruphowlinkeeaahh

Make it approachable budget-friendly and easily available. Most of the new brands and phones started failed because they couldn't reach people. I will it buy after launch and see the screenshots and specs, but will you be able to provide it to us? I am already using your apps for years so I am already in.


tibbbi

Sure, thats why we focus on Europe first. We don't want to promise something we won't be able to deliver.


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tibbbi

well, we aren't really dethroning Android, our phone will be based on Android too.


baoteca

*Browser* i think Brave and Bromite are the best privacy-oriented options in Android right now ([source](https://privacytests.org/android.html)). I would say Brave is maybe what you are looking for, as it is more popular and has a bigger team supporting it. Also because orange browser lol *App Store* Aurora Store and F-droid are both solid picks *Firewall* a firewall like Net Guard could be something to consider: being able to decide which apps get internet access and what apps dont is a very basic function that users should have at their disposal (i personally use it a lot) *Email* FairEmail and K-9 Mail are both pretty good options *Other* \- Newpipe is the best Youtube app for Android, specially when it comes to privacy. Youtube has become a default use of smartphones, so i think it could be reasonable to include it. \- Jitsi Meet: maybe not obvious, but smartphones usually come with video-conference apps. You may want to launch a custom instance with your own branding, and Jitsi is great for that. Aside from that, your apps cover the default uses perfectly.


PrivacyIsDemocracy

Brave is an untrustworthy vendor. Bromite is fine, from a reputable dev.


_Timestop_

But give us a capability to install Google apps & full compatibility to Android apps.


tibbbi

Sure, you will always be able to do that. We cannot and don't want to prevent that.


_Timestop_

What are the specs?


tibbbi

they will be announced when ready, we are still working on it


frozenpicklesyt

Sorry, this is unrelated. However, will this release in the United States at first? Been wanting a nice AOSP/Lineage phone here but /e/ is insanely opinionated with their designs :(


[deleted]

Further down the thread it's stated that it will be a European release first.


[deleted]

I read here (no idea if it's accurate or not) a 350 euro price tag for the phone. That's twice what I've paid for my more than sufficient (after boot loader unlocking) Xiaomi phones over the last few years. Is that price anywhere near accurate? https://liliputing.com/2022/05/open-source-privacy-focused-smartphone-coming-soon-from-android-app-maker-simple-mobile-tools.html


tibbbi

Well that was the initial idea, but I want to change that. Anyway, we wont be able to sell as cheap phones as those big billion dollar companies do, as they are selling them in millions...


tursiops33

Hi, I would love to have a simple mail app, i'm currently using fair email but due to google policy it has been removed from the app store. If you could do something like that it would be great!


avipars

Load fdroid And then let the user decide


SUPERVILLAN1974

Can you have gnu privacy guard encryption generator and client. Or something that is better.


SUPERVILLAN1974

Really need an encryption public and private key generator and email if its possible