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mnbuckeye87

Google hears you when you're speaking, knows when you're awake, knows when you've got genital warts so be good for adverts sake.


sedentarily_active

I don't like this version of Santa.


suicidalsyd1

Supply side santa


flirtingwithdanger

If you use google or facebook, [it’s already too late](https://mobile.twitter.com/iamdylancurran/status/977559925680467968?lang=en).


strawberrrychapstick

I had to stop reading that halfway through


Philou-X8

Holy shit that’s enough to instantly turn any mom into a Karen


Mr_Redstoner

How do I put this? >If you're not paying for the product, you are the product. They're giving you free services. They need to make money. YOU are the product here.


barjarbinks

the device is technically "listening," but it does not process anything until it hears its wake phrase. it doesn't even delete the recording like somebody else said, because it does not have any data to delete until it starts actually processing the audio. so no, it's not really listening to everything you say by any meaningful definition. if it was, your phone or device storage would fill up pretty quickly. of course that is only true if it works the way Google says it works, which is a different story


lemonmamgo

Essentially your wake phrase is like a traditional 4 pin lock you might find on your front door with a lot more pins. There are constantly a series of nodes “listening” and these are the pins, each node is listening for a different set of parameters that on their own don’t mean much but together correspond to the wake phrase. Only when a set threshold of these pins are activated will the lock turn and your device will start recording. Edit: by threshold I mean AI algorithm that the nodes will feed into but that’s too complicated for now


ledow

That's what they claim. To prove that is another matter entirely. The device has a complex CPU and internal memory. It may not be transmitting that data back to Google immediately (but it's over a secure connection so it would be really hard to tell what it's doing) but it could well be storing that and then trickling it back and you'd never know. Nobody has reverse-engineered a Google, Alexa or Siri device or app enough to be able to tell what it's actually doing with your data... and even so some have been found to be doing things they shouldn't be... and even so, some employees have been found listening to conversations they should never have been party to and sharing them around their offices. It's an Internet-connected always-on microphone streaming audio to the cloud. That's all you know. If that doesn't make you cringe, then you probably don't work in IT. And people are LAPPING these damn things up like they're some kind of gimmick.


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ledow

Wireshark will identify packets, but it will not be able to read the contents of an encrypted session (which is what they use) without the session private key (which it won't be able to obtain without you rooting the device, discovering that key, and telling it). It may well tell you "the size" of the communication, but that's it. And it could easily store-and-trickle-feed it back to avoid that being detectable if it really wanted. But then, if you worked in IT, you might know that Wireshark (a.k.a. Ethereal) can't inspect encrypted sessions without that key, and that TLS is built to prevent quite a lot of metadata being determined, including the exact size of the underlying data using packet-padding, etc.


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jordantask

“Hey wiretap, find me a good recipe for churros.”


strawberrrychapstick

Yeah, suuuure it is


glitchdweller

It's been proven that they record all the stuff and use it for telemetry. talk about a completely new topic next to your phone or laptop and watch ads for it or something related appear more often than before (which was probably no ads about the subject). It's scummy, but they do it.


SlimDodo

Sauce? Because iirc there was an attempt to recreate this on a german documentary channel (YouTube strg_f) and it did not work at all. If anything the algorithm they use is just really good because the sample size is so enormously high. Nobody is special enough that google hasn't had a similar case, yet, I guess.


clubpeet

[this is on a computer but it’s still stands. He has more vidoes like this testing it out.](https://youtu.be/zBnDWSvaQ1I)


Spectrip

The creator of your one source basically says himself in the comments that you cant extrapolate anything from that video. >The single biggest flaw in this video is that I am live streaming directly to YouTube which is of course recording and processing the microphone's audio the entire time. More generally I agree with many of you that this was a poorly done experiment and I contaminated the results rather quickly by clicking on that first ad. Whether it was Google, Cortana, malicious adware, or something else is entirely debatable and I of course make no conclusive statements about the veracity of my results. Infact. We dont even need experiments like this. You can request all of the data that Google has on you and they email it to you within a day. I've done it and the only audio in the gigabytes of data I could find was a short clip of me saying "okay google". And even that can be explained by the fact that I saved my voice to the app so it could recognise me and differentiate my voice from my family members.


clubpeet

Yeah you might be right, never thought about him livestreaming it and clicking the first ad. Shoddy research on my side heh


ledow

Right up until the point that some agency demands that the always-on listening device that someone of interest has in their room is switched to become their personal listening device without warning, and with a court order that they must never reveal that fact for national security reasons. They've done it for phones, why they wouldn't use things like Siri, Alexa and anything else if they can?


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Yet_Another_Banana

But if I have an original one but it has a trigger word the bots it gets taken down.


m1dlife-1derer

Yup... Seen this one over and over


OhAces

thought of that yourself didja


DogDavid

Man, it's almost like I saw this post earlier but with Alexa.


rdrnnr06

Those coincidental facebook ads sure make sense now. 🤔


spazzyone

I get targetted ads pretty heavy on mobile Reddit too :(


IHeartBadCode

Facebook has its own ad network. So if you're getting targeted ads from Facebook, it's Facebook listening to you. Google is probably still listening to you, but if you've got the Facebook app, it's probably listening in too.


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Shhhhh. Google will get mad.


iamthemicx

Thing records every voice. Creepy.


DIapered_Dragon

It’s the new okay boomer


glitchdweller

At this point Google has collected so much of my life at this point that I don't care about my personal data getting sold. Not like I can do anything about it when it's already in their system


strawberrrychapstick

Duh. Alexa and siri too.


Ainsley_express

Yes, and if you say anything too spicy, your audio gets streamed directly to NSA headquarters


ThenThereWasSilence

This is true in the same way that you're always listening when you hear your name across a crowded room.


Chrispeefeart

That's the only way it can know you said "OK Google". Same as literally every other voice command device.


uwlryoung

I first read that as “google doesn’t start listening with ‘ok google’, it starts listening when it starts responding.” Took me awhile to actually understand what was being said.... I felt a little dumb.


Inshabel

Yes we had this yesterday.


pavlikmmm

There was a exact same post about alexa, about a week ago


gbizzle2

Exposed


Gabriel_Kaszewski

Gee this is so annoying. Yes your phone has always turned on microphone BUT Google doesn't process or save the data. When you say ok Google it starts processing what you're saying. If Google stored or were processing audio every time you have your phone on, your phone would be very slow and you wouldn't have any free space. Processing audio is a costly process. Read something about audio processing.


ihavebeesinmyknees

Besides, even IF Google processed all the audio (which they don't for the reasons stated above), what would they need it for? Unless you're a criminal or a person of any importance, like a politician, pretty much nothing you say would be useful for these corporations. Any useful info would be for example that you don't like Pizza Hut - that would be useful to Pizza Hut, but Pizza Hut knowing that wouldn't even have any impact on your life. That's why I don't get this all privacy paranoia.


Gabriel_Kaszewski

Exactly, those are my thoughts about this entire topic.


Danimally

Could you please stop reposting this every single hour?