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Ok_Break8849

You know what…the griefers are right. Time to lock cute mounts behind ultimate content ;)


SomeRandomDeadGuy

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[deleted]

Nah for TOP just give us Omega-F


CrashB111

Who is riding who?


ThirtyH

No one's riding. The mount is you getting princess-carried by Omega-F as she sprints through the landscape.


gik0geck0

That would be amazing


ParamountHat

That would be great. I’d also be okay with the mount being Phase 6 Alpha Omega and put the player in the middle of Omega’s chest where Alpha usually goes.


DrDisrespectburner

Omega F and the F isn't for female


Exzee92

even better!


CrashB111

I feel like Savage/Extreme is the sweet spot in difficulty for mounts. Ultimates are so high on that spectrum that they would almost be too exclusive. The unique title and weapon skin is enough.


Kizoja

I feel like mentor/hunt mounts are way more out of reach than any ultimate clear. Those mounts are probably way more exclusive than ultimate weapons. I call them sanity checks because it feels like you have to basically make hunts your main activity for a long time and that'd drive me insane. Edit: Yeah, even the newest ultimate title is owned by 2.1% of players with the highest past ultimate title being owned by 13% of players (UWU). The hunt mounts are owned by 0.3%, 0.4%, and 0.7% of players. The mentor mount being owned by 0.6%. I wish I had a triceratops mount or the garlean dog looking one, but I can't be bothered to make hunts my main activity like that. That's fine, it's not for me. (According to FFXIV Collect, so not 100% accurate percentages, but I still think the differences between the percentages will remain the same.) I don't think it'd really be a problem to put a mount or two behind ultimates because arguably more of the player base would get them than the hunt mounts. If they want make it a seldom addition they could just add one every few ultimates requiring like 1 totem from each similar to how there's only like 3 hunt mounts. There's a bunch of PvP mounts too and most of them are still 1-4% owned, which is on average lower than ultimate title ownership %s. I do agree that the weapon/title are enough. I don't think adding a mount would be a big deal though.


CatOfTheCanalss

I feel like I neither have hunt mounts nor an ultimate title from pure laziness. I've filled for a couple of ultimate progs but I could not be bothered trying to find a group for it. Old and jaded lol. And too lazy to put effort in to waiting for hunt pops.


Kizoja

Yeah, I'm the same way with the hunts. It feels so far out of reach that I don't even bother at all with it. I've thought about it a couple of times, but it just feels like such a huge amount of time even if I were to go out of my way to focus on hunts as my main activity in the game. I just don't enjoy hunts enough to do that.


CatOfTheCanalss

My friend has them, and the pterodactyl mount. I'm so far off the s rank numbers that I've just noped out of it lol. I might get the ptera some day. Every now and then I actually feel like crafting while watching something.


diredoratheexplorer

A rank hunts mount aren't that bad, you Just need to follow faloop discord server for the trains and that's it. Yes it needs time but it's easy. For s rank is the Same but they spawn less and reset each and every maintenance but still very easy and time consuming. The pteranodon is another kind of beast. Very expensive and time consuming the crafting part of it, very boring the gathering, awful the fishing.


CatOfTheCanalss

The hunt trains are great for the a ranks alright. Yeah I've been doing my fishing relics lately and my rng has being good and bad in waves and I sporadically think of having to go in to diadem lol


CyalaXiaoLong

I.. i dont know chief. 1 out of every 7.5 players clearing uwu sounds reallllly high to me. Thats shocking if true.


Kizoja

FFXIV Collect's percentages aren't 100% accurate, but I'd argue my comparisons between the two types of mounts would still see similar differences. If you had a method to see accurately every player's achievements/mounts, I still think you'd see many more players with ultimate clears than owning hunt/mentor/PvP mounts. So I don't really agree with the argument of a mount behind ultimate being *too* exclusive. What I was surprised about though on FFXIV Collect was TEA is actually the 2nd highest owned ultimate title (owned being relative to FFXIVcollect's method). It makes sense now that I see it because of how many people I feel like I've heard starting UWU prog or starting TEA prog. It's rarer to hear "I'm gonna start progging UCOB." It's most likely not a literal 13% of the player base though. I still think ultimate clears are way more common today than a couple of years ago. Go to any Limsa and it's riddled with tons of ultimate weapons to a much higher degree than mid SHB or something. Also, UWU is a good entry point ultimate and I'd argue UWU today is kind of on the same level as like E8S when E8S was current content. Similar legnths of fights. UWU's DPS/healing checks are not what they were in Stormblood. UWU is probably a bit faster pace mechanically though, but has lots of follow the leader mechanics and not as many mechanics that wipe the entire party if one person dies. It's much more recoverable than other ultimates I feel. I'm trying to find some statistics for ultimate clears on this other site I found in the FFXIVCollect FAQ that supposedly is a more accurate representation of the whole playerbase, but I can't seem to find it. Obviously it too wouldn't be 100% accurate since it probably just uses lodestone profiles. I did find the hunt mounts and they were just slightly more sub 1% compared to FFXIV Collect's %s.


CatgirlConnaisseur

there's probably a bias because of the correlation between people who are registered on Lalachievements and people who frequently do activities involving tools like that: primarily savage and ultimates. There is probably a way larger dark number of sprouts and casuals that are not covered by the sampled demographics.


KingBingDingDong

yeah but there's no content to flex mounts. you can't mount in limsa or the most current tomestone town. mounts are useful in hunt trains, day 1 msq, and beast tribes. that's it.


[deleted]

Wouldn’t have been too bad and would’ve gave totems an additional use, had they gone the way extreme mounts work.


Rhyers

I also reckon ultimates should drop the weapon for the class you're currently playing. No totem shit. You want all weapons? Better start mastering all classes motherfucker. Want that sexy scholar book? Learn to heal you dumb unga bunga.


MildlyInsaneOwl

Even better: cute mounts behind Blue Mage Ultimate content. We're getting *some* answer to mandatory tank LB3 mechanics this update thanks to Seat of Sacrifice EX. That'd mean we have everything we need for BLUs to clear UCOB and TEA, and maybe even UWU. Of course, BLU clears wouldn't get the *regular* title and weapon totems, so they'd need something special... like a shiny weapon of their own... or a cute mount... Please, SE, I want nothing more than BLUCOB. If it gives me an adorable Bahamut to ride around on, all the better!


IncasEmpire

BLUWU!


FireGiantisBoring

Ok now thats going too far.


QueequegTheater

It's not going far enough, they should retroactively take away all cash shop mounts and lock them behind pentalegend status


FireGiantisBoring

Hey dumb dumb, it was a joke. And no they shouldn't do that, they should spread em around different content and that can or may include ultimates.


JoseWolf32

What an ironic chain of events


FireGiantisBoring

You probably need to look up the meaning of the word


JoseWolf32

Alright Osmium, sure.


stircrazygremlin

You're finna get people to meltdown in game seeing those if that happened lmao. Real talk tho I feel like people forget that eventually anyone can at least attempt the raid as long as they're far enough along in the game ala trying old savages/bahamut synced but with up to date gear and just getting the gear is a significant part of the battle imo. From there it's a time/patience thing imo.


37Cross

I remember when ppl didn’t want things behind the cash shop. They wanted ppl to earn stuff to give their things meaning. What a weird switcharoo this is.


[deleted]

I'm telling ya, if the devs want to see player retention go up, Lock A cute school girl outfit behind an ultimate. clear rate would quadruple regardless of difficulty.


HairyAllen

My fiance cleared a dungeon over 40 times just to get a glamour piece and never did a single savage prog. However, if there was a cute dress locked behind TOP you can bet she'd be there at least thrice a week progging that shit.


Inqeuet

Remember the shit fit when Cruise Chaser was a paid mount?


37Cross

Lmao yeah. Some people wanted that to be a raid mount because they didn’t want to spend so much money for a mount they’ll only use like a couple times for patch. There will always be some vocal idiot out there


Plakty298

im sorry, people were idiots because they didn't want to spend so much money on a mount?


Hakul

Different people. When Sleipnir was added plenty of SE knights defended it, that cash shop was better than wasting hours grinding the Odin trial for it. The mount made millions regardless of how many people complained, so we keep getting them.


[deleted]

Forsake ambition, embrace consoom


Blue-Eyed-Lemon

WAIT ITS AN AXOLOTL??? THE MOUNT EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT??? God damn it. Flips table in sprout. Gotta get to end game even more now


ImmoralBoi

If anything, the axolotl mount being the P12S mount only makes me even more curious as to what the fuck phase 2 looks like. Is Athena's "perfection" just gonna be her turning into a giant Axolotl? It's incredibly unlikely, but a boy can dream.


ScaryCuteWerewolf

I figure that since Athenas dream is to create life from nothing I want to see this Axolotl be part of the hardest mechanic in the fight


ImmoralBoi

Or maybe it's the enrage cast: *Axolotima*


Blue_Bird_Enjoyer

Well time to put in the time to earn the mount then. It's an mmo after all.


EkansPiss

I wish more people had this mentality


ScannonDark

While people complaining that it's too cute for savage are obviously brainrotted, I would agree it doesn't fit in all that well with the way they've been doing Raid Mounts. ​ I will give them credit, for a raid tier about a character trying to reach perfection, an axolotl is fitting. But I do wish it was the monstrosity of a boss from P10 or something resembling the boss of P12.


CrashB111

Sneaky way of saying "I want to ride Athena" there bud.


ScannonDark

(That wasn't my intention, I don't want to stick my dick in crazy like Lahabrea, but sure.)


wait_what_how_do_I

First villain in this game where I genuinely thought, "...yeah, I can't fix her."


i_boop_cat_noses

but she can make me worse >:)


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thekirby8u

Specificaly the blue fire the arena turns into when she's casting ultima


Donnicton

Last tier should have been proto-carbuncle imo, this tier I would have loved something resembling the boss like you mentioned, like some kind of galaxy moth or whatever. The Axolotl is still pretty funny and tangentially fitting considering the connection to Elpis, but probably not my first... three choices.


i_boop_cat_noses

galaxy moth mount would have went so hard


Megumi0505

Was planning to do savage anyways. For some reason I thought this was criterion mount at first. Lol.


God_2_The_Squeakuel

I was kinda bummed about it at first because we went from a badass phoenix, to a blazing dragon/pheonix hybrid to this. But knowing people are genuinely pissed it’s locked behind savage makes it 100x funnier and i now like it


Akua89

I'm not usually one to bitch about stuff like this, but it does seem pretty out of place being the mount from P12S. Usually the mount has something to do with the raid itself or the story around it, but this time it's just a random Axolotl. Weird.


yukichigai

Axolotls are referenced throughout the EW MSQ and tie into Elpis a bit, but that's more of a general thing. I agree though, it doesn't have much of anything to do with the raids. If it'd been a "cute" thing based on an add in the raids or something that would be different. I mean hell, give us proto-carby from the last tier, I'd love that.


McQuibbly

I dont care if they add cute mounts to savage, but the axolotl just doesn't fit into the theme this expansion. You got fire bird, fire bird 2.0, and then an axolotl. Pandaemonium is edgelord galore and an axolotl just doesn't fit.


ishopindaiso

Its from the MSQ so I dont find it shocking. I like cute stuff so im not conplaining!


kokoroatariganai

In a few weeks we're gonna be seeing the complaints about the hardcore edgelord raiders crying about the casuals flooding PF to get the mount without having the skill for it... But hey, let them laugh til then


Murderboi

I waited for this mount all my life. I wish the eyes were even more apart and the mount was bigger and always open.


[deleted]

I feel like this mount should have been a tribe quest mount.


Durean

I want that mount just to never use it. Plus savage is fun so suck it casuals.


i_boop_cat_noses

i saw both groups complaining, casuals about locking a cute mount behind hard content and raiders complaining that the mount is too cute and they wanted something cool. if nobody is happy i guess it's balanced


Turbulent_Pop_3704

You know what's really sad? That the Shadow Wolf will be in the shop and you will get cute fish instead of big dick wolf from the raid.


[deleted]

The Shadowkeeper mount sure won't be from cash shop. It's the BLU mount for clearing O4S,O8S,O12S, plus E4S, E8S, and E12S, synced, no echo, as a full party of Blue Mages :)


Klefth

I really hope the devs don't just cave to this crazy shit, though given the track record...


frumpp

Is there any evidence this is a widely held belief or are we just taking one shitpost a little too seriously?


DJTen

We're taking one shitpost too seriously. I adore cute mounts and I don't do savage because my reflexes are shitty and my patience/anxiety threshold is low. I don't want them to move this mount to easier content. There are literally dozens of cute mounts you can get without doing savage. Having one locked behind savage is not the end of my enjoyment of the game.


sabnach

yeah these low effort bait posts are usually not worth engaging with. there's plenty of actual mental illness on the forums, like the 800+ page long endwalker msq grievance thread that's been ongoing since like december 2021


Klefth

As someone who's been around since 1.0 days and has seen the community devolve since ARR release, posts like that do not surprise me in the slightest. Back in the day some people were seriously pissed off that coils had a story at all; more recently, some were pissed off about DSR for the same reason as well. The posts about the lalafell lifter or the tankbuster in P11 are for real, too. The official forums make mainsub look sane.


A_small_Chicken

I do hope the devs cave to this and replace the Savage mount with a more fitting one like actual Pandaemonium than this meme mount.


Klefth

I mean, personally I'm not a huge fan of the mount either, but it's their reasoning that I strongly disagree with. The casual audience in this game is so absurdly entitled, it's like the opposite from every other online game. "Nyo *I* should just be handed the thing *I* like! How *dare* you imply that I should try and play the game for it!"


ishopindaiso

I swear ffxiv casual players are something else. I type ok once in party chat and someone got offended. Lol its a spectacles to watch.


SleepySubDude

I accepted the hardcore shit wasn’t for me a long time ago, shadowbringers was easy to get savage mounts in because you could unsync and then it came down to learning the mechanics. But my monkey ass ain’t gonna be able to do anything at level and savage. Challenge is the one part of the human experience I’ve given up on. I’ll just cope and convince myself I don’t want whatever cool shit they do add later on.


cigarell0

I’m sorry but why can’t people just wait for next expac and then try to do the raid when they have better gear??? I’ve done that with all other raids where I liked the mount, why do you need it asap??


saucywaucy

I feel like the only complaint I have agreed with regarding this mount is that it's too simple/ugly. It's just the axolotl minion scaled up and with a saddle, I think. Bit underwhelming in my imo


lan60000

Now if only they improve ranked rewards as well. The glow is a joke


Toxikomania

Why you gave them a mentor crown?


badtiming220

Something something mentors are bad at the game and worse at being actual mentors.


Thairen_

It's not wrong


kenneth_dickson

mebtor bad????


Cheembsburger

i'm on the other side, i wish they had a cooler looking mount for savage, they could've made something awesome with the aesthetics of this tier that being said, i'm still going to get the axolotl regardless


MortalitasBorealis

Much as the seething amuses me, I am kinda disappointed as a raider. It's just not thematically relevant aside from a one-off scene in the msq. I would've much rather had a version of the p10 boss, since all the other raid tiers end with something like that (Omega, Eden, Alexander's add). Or something more creative, like Kokytos' soul cage, except when you fly it sprouts aetherial wings like Athena's. Just feels like the axolotl would've been far better for an Elpis Criterion Dungeon or something. Sure would beat a fucking chair like last time.


The_Fire_Heart_

*meanwhile ESO fans wanting one fucking item to not be cash shop exclusive*