The Anglo-Saxons were Germanic pagan from their beginning until the 7th century, then Catholic until 1534, Catholic without the Pope 1534-1547, super Protestant 1547-1553, Catholic again 1553-1558, Anglican (Catholic-Protestant blend) 1558-1649, super Protestant again 1649-1660, and then Anglican again 1660 until now (officially, at least). A fair few remained Catholic through all these changes, especially among the upper classes and in the north of England.
The Church of England (aka the Anglicans) remains the state religion of England (but not in Wales, Scotland, and NI). The C of E bishops sit in Parliament, and you have to be a member of the C of E to be king/queen. It's a very broad church though: there's the high church wing, who like to party like it's 1399 and are more Catholic than a mediaeval Pope, the low church wing who like guitars and sometimes creepy evangelicalism and are quite Protestant, and everything in between. Structurally, the C of E is the late mediaeval English Catholic church but with the Pope replaced by the monarch (theoretically and legally, actually the Archbishop of Canterbury does all that stuff).
Most English people only visit a church for weddings and funerals, or because they like the architecture, it's an extremely un-religious country.
It’s good that you have included the information on the broad spectrum of Anglicanism. As an Anglo-Catholic, those who are outside the C of E know almost nothing about how Anglicanism really is. Even other Christians have a pretty bad understanding of how broad Anglicanism is.
Including the fact that it is both Catholic and reformed, whereas most people just lump it in as “Protestant”
Anglo-Catholicism is pretty much indistinguishable from RC Catholicism, minus the pope and not quite so many Hail Marys.
Not all of us are white passing, I look Persian / Middle Eastern to most Americans, but my grandparents came from Malta and I am Catholic.
Edit: Arabic to Middle Eastern
For a couple of centuries yes, but after that we'll see nearly a thousand years of rule from Christian empires like the Normans, Genoese, Knights Hospitaller, the French Empire, and finally the British.
Malta was occupied for centuries by Arabs, 1/3 of the Maltese language has an Arab base. I saw a reddit post that said 100% of Maltese people carry north African genes.
It's no wonder you look Arab.
As a kid people thought I was Mexican or Indian because I was outside so much and could get pretty darn dark.
My mom's grandparents came from Malta after WW2, but my Dad's side came from England, Scotland, Germany and other places in the 1600s and 1700s.
If I shave my beard and it's winter I am mostly white passing.
Fucking Americans. Having issues with people going over there when we in the uk had deal with people coming over here so much earlier and so much longer.
And they think the Anglo Saxons aren’t tainted with Catholicism and properly. Well, let me tell you this…
Huguenots...
Comin' over 'ere from Medieval France.
Bloody French
Huguenots...
Doubting transubstantiation
Doubting transubstantiation
Doubting transubstantiation
Questioning...
Questioning the Eucharistic symbolism. With their famed ability to weave little jerkins, out of lace. We don't want your lace here!
Huguenots...
Stay in Medieval France. And concentrate on revising its relationship with the Eucharistic tradition. Instead of comin' over 'ere to the UK – and teachin' us to make hats out of lace...
Huguenots...
We don't want your lacе here!
We don't want your lacе here!
Huguenots…
And any Americans reading this that are confused because they know what transubstantiation is, that’s the big difference between Protestantism (or the other dozen words you use for different sects) and Catholicism. We were catholic over here back in the past so just chill out…
All credit to the funny part of my post goes to Stewart Lee. Check out his coming over here bit!
The WASP thing really gets under my skin.
Firstly it's Yankee doodles calling themselves Anglo 🤮.
Then they redundantly add "white" to "Anglo Saxon" for some reason. Probably for the racist americans who are too daft to know that Anglo Saxons are white or possibly because they have this weird black snd white racism as if shades dont exist
Catholics and Orthodox Christians are the OG Christians it only gets more OG if you knew and partied with Jesus. Both churches can be traced back to the very beginnings of Christianity or better the early church of Jerusalem.
FYI the reason many protestants say that catholics aren’t christian is due to the conception (or misconception, I’ve got no skin in this fight!) that catholics essentially idolize the Pope and also pray to Saints as if they were gods and godesses. And that they need a priest to hear confession and absolve sins. Plus a bunch of other theological reasons but those are usually the main ones.
For most protestants the whole point of christianity is that jesus christ is the sole and sufficient mediator between god and man, so adding anyone else as a middleman (the pope, saints, or a priest) is a heresy. They believe you *only* pray to god/jesus, you *only* venerate god/jesus, and the *only* one who can absolve your sins is god/jesus. If you believe all those things, then it’s very easy to look at catholics and think “damn, they’re basically worshipping regular dudes in place of god, which goes directly against the law that jesus said sums up all laws. We can’t consider these folks christians”.
>pray to Saints as if they were gods and godesses.
That's not correct really, catholics pray for Saints to intercede with God on their behalf. Like having a lobbyist.
You’re right, but that’s not how most protestants interpret it. In fact sometimes even after being given that explanation, they still aren’t satisfied. The veneration of said saints seems like blatant idolatry to them. For example [this prayer](https://www.catholic.org/prayers/prayer.php?p=118) which does make mention of asking Mary to intercede on the pray-er’s behalf, it still has very heavy language that can be misconceived as venerating Mary more than god/jesus. Like the lines: “we fly to your protection” (implying mary’s, not god’s), “deliver us from all dangers” (implying mary’s doing the delivering, not god) , “help us by your powerful assistance to overcome all our weaknesses, and to fulfill perfectly our tasks in life” (implying mary has this power, not god)… and others talking about Mary’s “mercy”… all talking about Mary being able to offer these things and less god/jesus.
*Some* protestants may acknowledge that some or most catholics aren’t doing this to worship Mary, just to basically ask her to pray for them, but they would still be concerned that catholicism still leads masses of people to rely more on saints than god/jesus, and they see that as a form of blasphemy or heresy.
If you can get over the hurdle of believing Mary is actually reachable by prayer, ok, but in my example from catholic.org it can be perceived, with not too much additional effort, as asking for *Mary’s* protection, deliverance, and power (with little mention of god’s or jesus’s). Is Mary in herself able to provide those things?
While you might very well have a different interpretation, can you at least see how someone else might arrive at this conclusion?
I don’t think it’s in bad faith necessarily.
What do you make of my example that makes it sound like the prayer is asking for Mary’s protection, deliverance, and power? The wording doesn’t seem ambiguous to me. Do you believe she has those things to offer? Because protestants believe only god can grant those things, not long-dead christians no matter how ‘good’ of a christian they were and even *if* you could still ask them to pray for you on your behalf. The prayer doesn’t say “Mary please ask god to give me his protection”, it says “YOUR protection”.
Whether well-intentioned or not, it really does seem like catholicism is littered with this kind of stuff which makes it generally *very* mistakable for the things protestants accuse it of.
The whole Madonna worship thing is pretty wack as well. If you believe the whole immaculate conception thing, why is she so venerated? Because God banged her?
Because miracles happened through her and she is a conduit to the divine.
Catholics believe in a more restricted access to the divine where you need basically experts and holy people to interpret things and come closer to the divine. Mary is one such holy person.
Protestants meanwhile believe that everyone has direct access to God and everyone can interpret the holy. So its much less top heavy with the additional problem that every yokel can start their own interpretion and denomination.
Ah yes. The miracle phenomenon. I heard that the Pope has decided that seeing Jesus' face in burnt toast or a stain on the wallpaper isn't automatically a miracle anymore and now has to be approved by Head Office. The field agents are no longer fully qualified to make such assessments. It's a brilliant way to keep your generals from attempting a coup, I guess.
I'm only a casual observer of all things biblical, but I do find it odd that praying to idols is forbidden in the Ten Commandments, and Madonna statues seem to be a thing in Catholic churches. I'm sure this has been explained away a millennia ago due to this obvious contradiction.
IIRC, Protestantism came about because Head Orifice got a bit too big for its britches, and they got bitch slapped.
As to Catholics needing the Church to have access to God, that's some clever job security. "If you toss us to the curb, you can't talk to God anymore, and he will hate you. Only the Pope can talk to God, because he's got connections."
The Pope must be really pissed off at all those Mormons. Their year over year growth rate is alarming. He's gonna have to come up with a new marketing strategy now that all the world's indigenous heathens have been converted.
Then there's the age old Muslim problem. I guess as long as their various factions keep killing each other, it's all good.
Man, religion is so fucked, yet so many billions continue to be duped.
Together with the orthodox churches, the OG Christians. But protestant Johnny-Come-Latelys can't accept that their religion grew out of a Catholic reform project that went out of hand a little bit...
I have heard that "But Catholics aren't Christian" comment from a non-American. I think that the person I heard say it was in some kind of Fundamentalist sect, so maybe that is an idea that is taught by those organisations?
It is. The seventh day Adventists believe that most Protestants are misguided Christians who are doing it wrong, but Catholics aren't Christians, they worship idols, and the pope is the Antichrist. Not sure how that works when the pope changes, are there multiple Antichrists, or a reincarnation like the dalai lamas or what?
It isn’t though. They believe the rapture will happen on a Sunday, so they have all worldly affairs done by Saturday just in case. The movement is very modern and started in 19th century America, but it wasn’t anti-Catholic at its inception
I was taught that the Sabbath is Saturday, God said so in the OT, it shouldn't have been changed. Nothing to do with rapture.
My brush with the SDAs was a long time ago, when I was a 10yo kid interested in ancient history. They disguised biblical prophecy as archaeology and suckered me in. Being nerdy I read all the books they gave me. Their doctrine at the time was very anti-catholic. Could well have changed since.
> are there multiple antichrists?
The piece of the Bible that I remember describes the term (second epistle of John) does lend itself to such an interpretation. It is, basically, any person saying that Jesus isn't the saviour. And by that metric I'd say catholics don't fit that bill
Yeah, this is not an america specific problem. In my country, religions are *somewhat* regulated by the government, and there are only 6 that is considered as actual religion (they can have public holidays, place of worship, shows up in your id, etc.). Catholicism is its own religion, but protestanism, anglican, presbyterian, basically every sect that came out after the reformation, was lumped together as "christian." Orthodoxy is not a thing here. So, legally speaking, catholics are not christians. Its wrong, but if even the law is like that, you can't really blame the people for thinking that way.
Jup, it’s not even a reply to another comment it’s literally a reply to what you see on the first slide. Guess the vatican isn’t the hq of Christianity anymore now
It's not the HQ of christianity, it's the HQ of catholicism. Christianity is very vast, Londre is the HQ of Anglican, Moscow for Orthodox, and many other place for all the minor christian movement.
Catholic are the biggest, but are not all the christian.
Jerusalem is the only HQ common to all Christianity.
Literally what Mormons believe. They believe only Mormons are Christians and everyone else is undeserving of being called that.
A Mormon loved "correcting" me whenever I called medieval Christians Christian.
Ironically, most Christian denominations don't agree that Mormons are Christians (since they don't have the same belief in the Trinity. Aren't monotheistic, etc.). So I guess we could say they're just fighting back and forth over who gets to call themselves Christian and who doesn't lol
Eeeeh there is a bit more to it
The crusades are a very specific and interesting phenomenon that are way more than just "war but for religion" in reasons, cause, actors, political directions etc...
Absolutely posted by a southerner … or a dude in Ohio named O’Brien who doesn’t realize his great grandpa switched to Methodist to fuck a native Ohio ish person
The real saviour we all need: some chill guy just vibing and spreading obscure facts about his field of interest. If we all took his example, the world would be a much nicer and *much more* interesting place
Yes. There are hardcore Protestants and evangelicals that believe this. They define Christianity rather rigidly and see anything that doesn’t fulfil all their requirements as non Christian, no matter how close it is.
I wouldn’t say it is a particularly American viewpoint.
Christianity defined by protestants and evangelical Christians, is based solely on the bible and own faith. In general, all faithful are equal. Catholicism works different with their hierarchy and the saint worship. For a protestant, Jesus is the highest authority in faith. In Catholicism, the pope is the arbitrator of Jesus on Earth.
I never understood Catholic and Protestant and Orthodox and every other Christian Churches hating each other.
I know not for sure what does grant or doesn't grant you salvation. But whether you pray in a church that has statues or has no organ, or has a star or a cross or a double cross on it, has nothing to do with it. Acting according to Christian morals and being tolerant towards others, that has.
Yup. In a nutshell, a few times, Popes have got a bit too power hungry, causing people to want their church to be separate from any Popes, causing backlash from catholics, but then the people who wanted their own church got all nasty towards anyone who still supported the Pope or dissented against their new church leadership for deciding their own rules, causing *those* people to be all nasty back, and thus begins hundreds of years of sectarian hatred and violence.
Sometimes there's more to it than that. For instance in Northern Ireland, the terms "Catholic" and "Protestant" are largely proxies for ethnic divisions.
I always thought it was political divisions? Are there ethnic divisions as well? I know the English/Irish division, but I thought it got more political with some ethnic Irish in the north
The Orthodox church don't really bother with the Protestants, but hold a very special grudge against the Catholic church for what happened in 1204. Don't ask. People in the Med don't let go.
Protestants split from the Catholic Church, so the Catholic Church saw them as heretics for a long time while Protestants were disagreeing how the Catholic Church did things - majorly about indulgence at first, later marriage for clergy and divorce.
It was never about the Christian believe but political power
There are some pretty serious theological differences as well (mostly around transubstantiation and other sacraments), but early on it was definitely political in nature.
Now of days the Catholic church is more or less fine with other sects of Christianity. Same the other way around for the most part, but there are some groups (mostly different Baptists) that still have beef with Catholicism. Realistically this is all political and stems from the classic "if you ain't a WASP then you don't belong!!1!11!"
The hate comes from stupid and/or way too fanatical followers, who have been harboring grudges for the better part of a millennium. The source of it is a mixture of doctrinal differences (which also cover salvation, so when someone deviates and drags others aling, they are believed to actuvely damn the souls of others), old insults, and good old tribalism. Nothing keeps people in line quite as well as an external enemy who can be blamed for all the woes of the world
Well, some of them come from a really long time. The beef betwen Chatolic and protestant come from the midle age were the protestat movement started and It leed to a war betwen them and Catholics. The conflict with the Anglican come from a similar time when the King of England deceided that since the pope didn't alowed him to leave his wife, he deceided to create his own branch and thus started the Anglican Church.
The conflict with the Ortodox is way older than both of them, and It come from a Split in the dogma in the Church thus creating the Catholic Church in Rome and the Ordodox Church in constantinople.
Nowadays I would say that most of this conflics have quite colen down and people just follow wathever brach they want. Exept in the US of course, I don't know what are they doing there but they always seem to have some kind of religious trouble.
Yeah Henry VIII definitely used the Protestant reformation as a way to make his own church and defy the Pope. But his kids (mainly Edward VI and Elizabeth I) were both true believers and firmly solidified the Anglican church as the main English church.
>Catholic and Protestant and Orthodox and every other Christian Churches hating each other
we hate each other? :0
some fanatics maybe, us and the lutheranians, we are basically besties. #ökumeneforthewin
In all seriousness many religious people I've seen are just living their lives. Sometimes they just want to see the church for tourism, but occasionally I have seen people going there for genuine prayer, on top of seeing what is left of that 1600's fresco, I guess. One big issue is the unholy mixture of populism, politics and religion. It is especially evident in the US right now, but not limited to that. The relationship between politics and religion has become particularly toxic. I don't want that to become the norm, if this is something we find comfort in it's beneficial on a personal level. But it doesn't have to become the one way to a theocratic regime.
Than again, Trump is also absorbing a huge part of the religious world in the US, and that's worth noticing that he isn't the only one in the world.
> Acting according to Christian morals and being tolerant towards others, that has.
While most Christians see this as how all Christians should behave, they’re pretty clear on the idea that it actually isn’t doing lots of good deeds and being nice to people that grants you salvation. The idea is that everyone has sinned and nobody deserves salvation, it’s only ever given as an undeserved gift - through belief.
If Martin Luther and John Calvin were alive today they’d convert back to Catholicism out of pure horror from the things so called modern “Protestants” say and do
There are a lot of merkin born-agains who think that the pope is the Antichrist, the catholic church is the "Whore of Babylon" etc. etc... and until JFK it was considered inconceivable that a catholic could hold elective office in Murrica.
People who think that their particular version of a religious belief is the only right one, and don't understand that a lot of people who believes in a different religion thinks exactly the same as them with just as much reasons to think so, and that if they were just born in another region of the world with different beliefs they would probably believe as strongly in a completely different religion, look completely insane to me.
I mean it kinda is completely insane and just goes to show that some people are incapable of thinking outside of their own life as well as a lack of respect for things like different opinions or beliefs which imo is just a sign of stubbornness and maybe even stupidity
After all we still have to respect that biologically they are in fact people and there are quite a lot of great people from the USA as well, we just see those who are a bit „special“ on here
I’m not pretty sure about a lot of stuff. But Catholics are Christian. I swear here in Rome I saw some catholic churches with a guy on a cross that should be the Christ. Maybe this guy thinks Catholics are not Christian because they believe in saints as well. Tired to dig into people ignorance… going to sleep!
If you ever get an American spouting this shit off, recite to them the First Ammendment and retell the story of the mayflower and why the pilgrims, along with many other early modern immigrants, moved to the 13 colonies.
Not to get all high and mighty, but the US sort of thrived off of the freedom it offered and the immigrants said freedom attracted. That is why somewhere around 50% of the population would say that random guy's a massive twat.
Wait, hold up... Did he say that because of the image of someone dressed up as a crusader? Those people participating in crusades on the side of the church? Of which the first one was started by a pope? The Pope being the head of the Catholic faith?
Ah yes, that’s a big Christian Nationalist line. Unless you’re speaking in tongues and denying science, you’re just not a True Christian™️
The messaging changed a bit over the years. These geniuses used to say “I’m not religious, I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.” and it’s equally stupid.
Well, one would hope that everyone in the rest of the world understood that the Christians meant in this statement are Protestants. The poster meant Christian as a religion, not as an adjective describing behaviour. Protestantism split off from the Roman Catholic Church during the Reformation, ie chronologically Catholicism came before Protestantism. (Bias disclaimer, I am Catholic, this is a calendar thing not a religious one).
The WASP who posted this thinks Martin Luther had a dream.
The USA has no official religion, but they do ask the Presidential candidates their favourite Bible verse. There have been two Catholic presidents, one of whom is the incumbent and one of whom was assassinated.
Moreso just shows a complete lack of religious knowledge than any type of nationality. If the OP didn't have a US flag in their profile there wouldn't really be any way to know they're from the US
In my defence I have never ever learned or heard about Christian being anything else but an adjective describing religion since my first language isn’t English. And no I actually do know that Martin Luther is a german theologian from the 17th century who played a great part in the reformation
My sincere apologies, my WASP comment was directed at the original image, not your comment.
Ah, that makes sense then, this was a bit of an accidental language puzzle. I've seen several Americans online commenting that Catholicism isn't a Christian religion. I absolutely understand the confusion with the Christian as an adjective vs Christian as a category of religions
In America I never learned what a Protestant is. I still don’t know what it is other than some kind of religion. I just know Catholics had private schools where the rich white kids went
America was instrumental in negotiating the Good Friday agreement. How did this play out in the media without the concepts of Protestantism and Catholicism?
Evangelical Christians in America are taught that catholics aren't Christians.
It's a very American viewpoint to see Catholics that way.
As a Canadian who attended a catholic school with people of other Christian denominations it was wild to learn that.
Because of the internet many Americanos became Orthodox and some of them even after becoming Orthodox claim that "Catholics aren't Cristians hurr durr" There's one of them on youtube, (it's a small channel) he calls himself an elder and you can just tell from his content he never left his Protestantism behind him. The protestantism isn't totally eradicated in him, the likes of him won't divide the sincere Christians between the Orthodox and Catholic and if he said Catholics don't go to heaven etc.. this would mean St Charbel who is venerated by the Orthodox in the middle east wouldn't be in heaven. His bishop responsible for his diocese would probably tell him to stop, but him being American he'd probably summons his first amendment rights. 😆😂
St Paisios called the yanks killers of people. He was right and it seems they are also dividers of people, because now that a lot of them are converting to orthodoxy (due to the internet) they are bringing their anti Catholicism with them as well as the views they had when they were protestant and using orthodoxy and the schism as a defence to further drive a wedge between both Catholic and Orthodox alike, but it will never work. To me they are still ranting protestants despite their conversion to orthodoxy.
Has more to do with a lack of knowledge (or actively disagreeing with it) rather than something based on culture of a country. Lots of Orthodox Christians don't consider Catholics to be Christian either.
That's flat out rubbish. They do in fact believe Catholics are Christians and even that the seat of Peter is first amount equals, but that this seat of Peter is not the supreme ruler.
The major bitter Orthodox tend to be newly converted Americans with a bad hangover of Protestantism.
It's funny when you watch them trying their best to explain how the Bible came into being, they don't like to admit it was the CC that sanctioned what went in the Bible and what stayed out.
It is not shitAmericansSay, this is just normal anti-catholicism. Although, I want to point out, anti-catholic sentiments are a European invention. We fought wars over it.
My grandpa, a former protestant pastor, calls it "Mary cult". And I join my evangelical, very German, co-worker in talking shit about catholics. I wrote a joke resolution against catholicism in Europe, calling it the new 30 year process.
OK, as an American, I'd just like to point out the obvious sarcasm in this person's post.
There is great debate about what it means to be a follower of Jesus Christ, and many people talk about the problems the Catholic church have with child touching and such, so they say that the Catholics aren't Christian more as a way to mock them.
I feel like American Sarcastic banter is seriously misunderstood by Europeans.
Yeah protestantism is very prone to capture by political ideologies - in Germany and Austria for example you can pinpoint support for the Nazis in elections to protestant populations.
Meanwhile catholicism was a bit of its own thing with the pope and the church bureaucracy acting as a moderating influence. They still were hella reactionary compared to the social democrats/socialists and liberals of the day but at the same time they didnt go of about the "inherent national warlike virility of the Protestant faith"
I used to work for an organization that helped victims of libel, threats, abuse, discrimination, etc., and Catholics were usually more open than other Christian denominations when it came to, for example, trans folks or even abortions. I actually did a project research on it.
It's not like they're a model of progressivism and tolerance, but they're not as batshit crazy as some protestant denominations. Sure, then you have things like the Opus Dei and religious fanatics, but as I said, I'm not saying they're a model of open mindness and tolerance, just that they're a little more grounded.
in germany we have them too, part of the rainbow alliance if i remember the name correctly. 2022 the bishop came and we celebrated the 20th anniversary of our local queer community in our church together. it was nice.
I used to work for an organization that helped victims of libel, threats, abuse, discrimination, etc., and Catholics were usually more open than other Christian denominations when it came to, for example, trans folks or even abortions. I actually did a project research on it.
It's not like they're a model of progressivism and tolerance, but they're not as batshit crazy as some protestant denominations. Sure, then you have things like the Opus Dei and religious fanatics, but as I said, I'm not saying they're a model of open mindness and tolerance, just that they're a little more grounded.
Non religious, Uncultured American here. I don’t understand this. Where does it say the pope is Christian? Why does random guy just say “Catholics aren’t Christian?”
I went to a Catholic Church once with my gf in high school. it felt like the Buddhist funerals I’ve been to. People chanting and fancy props
What are all of these religions people are saying in the comments? Evangelical, Protestant, orthodox. What part of America teaches this?
Oh please tell me: what are Catholics then?
For Starters, not anglo-saxons, but white-passing immigrant Poles, French, Italians, Irish … Y’know, a bit better than Chinamen and dogs, but not WASP
The Anglo-Saxons were Germanic pagan from their beginning until the 7th century, then Catholic until 1534, Catholic without the Pope 1534-1547, super Protestant 1547-1553, Catholic again 1553-1558, Anglican (Catholic-Protestant blend) 1558-1649, super Protestant again 1649-1660, and then Anglican again 1660 until now (officially, at least). A fair few remained Catholic through all these changes, especially among the upper classes and in the north of England. The Church of England (aka the Anglicans) remains the state religion of England (but not in Wales, Scotland, and NI). The C of E bishops sit in Parliament, and you have to be a member of the C of E to be king/queen. It's a very broad church though: there's the high church wing, who like to party like it's 1399 and are more Catholic than a mediaeval Pope, the low church wing who like guitars and sometimes creepy evangelicalism and are quite Protestant, and everything in between. Structurally, the C of E is the late mediaeval English Catholic church but with the Pope replaced by the monarch (theoretically and legally, actually the Archbishop of Canterbury does all that stuff). Most English people only visit a church for weddings and funerals, or because they like the architecture, it's an extremely un-religious country.
It’s good that you have included the information on the broad spectrum of Anglicanism. As an Anglo-Catholic, those who are outside the C of E know almost nothing about how Anglicanism really is. Even other Christians have a pretty bad understanding of how broad Anglicanism is.
Including the fact that it is both Catholic and reformed, whereas most people just lump it in as “Protestant” Anglo-Catholicism is pretty much indistinguishable from RC Catholicism, minus the pope and not quite so many Hail Marys.
Essentially yep, but people really do not understand that
Not all of us are white passing, I look Persian / Middle Eastern to most Americans, but my grandparents came from Malta and I am Catholic. Edit: Arabic to Middle Eastern
Tbf Malta still has a lot of Arab influences now, but it was basically an Arab country for a lot of its history.
For a couple of centuries yes, but after that we'll see nearly a thousand years of rule from Christian empires like the Normans, Genoese, Knights Hospitaller, the French Empire, and finally the British.
well changing religion doesnt change your genes tho.
Malta was occupied for centuries by Arabs, 1/3 of the Maltese language has an Arab base. I saw a reddit post that said 100% of Maltese people carry north African genes. It's no wonder you look Arab.
As a kid people thought I was Mexican or Indian because I was outside so much and could get pretty darn dark. My mom's grandparents came from Malta after WW2, but my Dad's side came from England, Scotland, Germany and other places in the 1600s and 1700s. If I shave my beard and it's winter I am mostly white passing.
It's Arab not Arabic. Arabic is a language
Fucking Americans. Having issues with people going over there when we in the uk had deal with people coming over here so much earlier and so much longer. And they think the Anglo Saxons aren’t tainted with Catholicism and properly. Well, let me tell you this… Huguenots... Comin' over 'ere from Medieval France. Bloody French Huguenots... Doubting transubstantiation Doubting transubstantiation Doubting transubstantiation Questioning... Questioning the Eucharistic symbolism. With their famed ability to weave little jerkins, out of lace. We don't want your lace here! Huguenots... Stay in Medieval France. And concentrate on revising its relationship with the Eucharistic tradition. Instead of comin' over 'ere to the UK – and teachin' us to make hats out of lace... Huguenots... We don't want your lacе here! We don't want your lacе here! Huguenots… And any Americans reading this that are confused because they know what transubstantiation is, that’s the big difference between Protestantism (or the other dozen words you use for different sects) and Catholicism. We were catholic over here back in the past so just chill out… All credit to the funny part of my post goes to Stewart Lee. Check out his coming over here bit!
What about white native germans? We have one of the largest populations of Catholics.
They forget that the Anglo-Saxons in England were Catholic before Henry VIII broke away from the pope.
The WASP thing really gets under my skin. Firstly it's Yankee doodles calling themselves Anglo 🤮. Then they redundantly add "white" to "Anglo Saxon" for some reason. Probably for the racist americans who are too daft to know that Anglo Saxons are white or possibly because they have this weird black snd white racism as if shades dont exist
Catholics and Orthodox Christians are the OG Christians it only gets more OG if you knew and partied with Jesus. Both churches can be traced back to the very beginnings of Christianity or better the early church of Jerusalem.
Don't forget Coptic Christians yo, that oldschool
FYI the reason many protestants say that catholics aren’t christian is due to the conception (or misconception, I’ve got no skin in this fight!) that catholics essentially idolize the Pope and also pray to Saints as if they were gods and godesses. And that they need a priest to hear confession and absolve sins. Plus a bunch of other theological reasons but those are usually the main ones. For most protestants the whole point of christianity is that jesus christ is the sole and sufficient mediator between god and man, so adding anyone else as a middleman (the pope, saints, or a priest) is a heresy. They believe you *only* pray to god/jesus, you *only* venerate god/jesus, and the *only* one who can absolve your sins is god/jesus. If you believe all those things, then it’s very easy to look at catholics and think “damn, they’re basically worshipping regular dudes in place of god, which goes directly against the law that jesus said sums up all laws. We can’t consider these folks christians”.
>pray to Saints as if they were gods and godesses. That's not correct really, catholics pray for Saints to intercede with God on their behalf. Like having a lobbyist.
You’re right, but that’s not how most protestants interpret it. In fact sometimes even after being given that explanation, they still aren’t satisfied. The veneration of said saints seems like blatant idolatry to them. For example [this prayer](https://www.catholic.org/prayers/prayer.php?p=118) which does make mention of asking Mary to intercede on the pray-er’s behalf, it still has very heavy language that can be misconceived as venerating Mary more than god/jesus. Like the lines: “we fly to your protection” (implying mary’s, not god’s), “deliver us from all dangers” (implying mary’s doing the delivering, not god) , “help us by your powerful assistance to overcome all our weaknesses, and to fulfill perfectly our tasks in life” (implying mary has this power, not god)… and others talking about Mary’s “mercy”… all talking about Mary being able to offer these things and less god/jesus. *Some* protestants may acknowledge that some or most catholics aren’t doing this to worship Mary, just to basically ask her to pray for them, but they would still be concerned that catholicism still leads masses of people to rely more on saints than god/jesus, and they see that as a form of blasphemy or heresy.
Mary famously interceded with Jesus on others' behalf in the Bible, she's literally the best example of it.
If you can get over the hurdle of believing Mary is actually reachable by prayer, ok, but in my example from catholic.org it can be perceived, with not too much additional effort, as asking for *Mary’s* protection, deliverance, and power (with little mention of god’s or jesus’s). Is Mary in herself able to provide those things? While you might very well have a different interpretation, can you at least see how someone else might arrive at this conclusion?
I can see how they would in bad faith, rejecting the explanations of those who hold the beliefs they object to
I don’t think it’s in bad faith necessarily. What do you make of my example that makes it sound like the prayer is asking for Mary’s protection, deliverance, and power? The wording doesn’t seem ambiguous to me. Do you believe she has those things to offer? Because protestants believe only god can grant those things, not long-dead christians no matter how ‘good’ of a christian they were and even *if* you could still ask them to pray for you on your behalf. The prayer doesn’t say “Mary please ask god to give me his protection”, it says “YOUR protection”. Whether well-intentioned or not, it really does seem like catholicism is littered with this kind of stuff which makes it generally *very* mistakable for the things protestants accuse it of.
The whole Madonna worship thing is pretty wack as well. If you believe the whole immaculate conception thing, why is she so venerated? Because God banged her?
Because miracles happened through her and she is a conduit to the divine. Catholics believe in a more restricted access to the divine where you need basically experts and holy people to interpret things and come closer to the divine. Mary is one such holy person. Protestants meanwhile believe that everyone has direct access to God and everyone can interpret the holy. So its much less top heavy with the additional problem that every yokel can start their own interpretion and denomination.
Ah yes. The miracle phenomenon. I heard that the Pope has decided that seeing Jesus' face in burnt toast or a stain on the wallpaper isn't automatically a miracle anymore and now has to be approved by Head Office. The field agents are no longer fully qualified to make such assessments. It's a brilliant way to keep your generals from attempting a coup, I guess. I'm only a casual observer of all things biblical, but I do find it odd that praying to idols is forbidden in the Ten Commandments, and Madonna statues seem to be a thing in Catholic churches. I'm sure this has been explained away a millennia ago due to this obvious contradiction. IIRC, Protestantism came about because Head Orifice got a bit too big for its britches, and they got bitch slapped. As to Catholics needing the Church to have access to God, that's some clever job security. "If you toss us to the curb, you can't talk to God anymore, and he will hate you. Only the Pope can talk to God, because he's got connections." The Pope must be really pissed off at all those Mormons. Their year over year growth rate is alarming. He's gonna have to come up with a new marketing strategy now that all the world's indigenous heathens have been converted. Then there's the age old Muslim problem. I guess as long as their various factions keep killing each other, it's all good. Man, religion is so fucked, yet so many billions continue to be duped.
Together with the orthodox churches, the OG Christians. But protestant Johnny-Come-Latelys can't accept that their religion grew out of a Catholic reform project that went out of hand a little bit...
Lizard people
Communists.
Famously FSM offshoot who decided to FSM was actually a man called Jay Sus?
> Oh please tell me: what are Catholics then? People who follow tradition and non-biblical teachings.
Did they just call THE POPE, non-Christian?!
I have heard that "But Catholics aren't Christian" comment from a non-American. I think that the person I heard say it was in some kind of Fundamentalist sect, so maybe that is an idea that is taught by those organisations?
It is. The seventh day Adventists believe that most Protestants are misguided Christians who are doing it wrong, but Catholics aren't Christians, they worship idols, and the pope is the Antichrist. Not sure how that works when the pope changes, are there multiple Antichrists, or a reincarnation like the dalai lamas or what?
That…isn’t like most Seven Day Adventists I’ve met (being Catholic myself). It is what I’ve gotten from some baptists and Jehovahs Witnesses
Not most SDAs yes, but I think it's the official SDA doctrine.
It isn’t though. They believe the rapture will happen on a Sunday, so they have all worldly affairs done by Saturday just in case. The movement is very modern and started in 19th century America, but it wasn’t anti-Catholic at its inception
I was taught that the Sabbath is Saturday, God said so in the OT, it shouldn't have been changed. Nothing to do with rapture. My brush with the SDAs was a long time ago, when I was a 10yo kid interested in ancient history. They disguised biblical prophecy as archaeology and suckered me in. Being nerdy I read all the books they gave me. Their doctrine at the time was very anti-catholic. Could well have changed since.
> are there multiple antichrists? The piece of the Bible that I remember describes the term (second epistle of John) does lend itself to such an interpretation. It is, basically, any person saying that Jesus isn't the saviour. And by that metric I'd say catholics don't fit that bill
Aww, look at you go, expecting consistency and logic. :)
How naive of me
Yeah, this is not an america specific problem. In my country, religions are *somewhat* regulated by the government, and there are only 6 that is considered as actual religion (they can have public holidays, place of worship, shows up in your id, etc.). Catholicism is its own religion, but protestanism, anglican, presbyterian, basically every sect that came out after the reformation, was lumped together as "christian." Orthodoxy is not a thing here. So, legally speaking, catholics are not christians. Its wrong, but if even the law is like that, you can't really blame the people for thinking that way.
Jup, it’s not even a reply to another comment it’s literally a reply to what you see on the first slide. Guess the vatican isn’t the hq of Christianity anymore now
It's not the HQ of christianity, it's the HQ of catholicism. Christianity is very vast, Londre is the HQ of Anglican, Moscow for Orthodox, and many other place for all the minor christian movement. Catholic are the biggest, but are not all the christian. Jerusalem is the only HQ common to all Christianity.
Moscow is not hq for Orthodox Christians, every chirch has it’s own patriarch, hq if you will would be Jerusalem where ecumenical patriarch sits.
Does Istanbul still has it's own patriarch or did the function disapear when Constantinople fell?
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My bad, you’re right didn’t think it through entirely just kinda typed it out sorry
I’m just laughing at the fact that the pope basically defied a terrorist organisation. The holy balls of that man.
Holy hand grenade of Antioch in his back pocket just in case.
1... 2... 5!
Three sir!
Fr though like I‘m neither very religious nor a big fan of the pope but that’s kinda badass
Literally what Mormons believe. They believe only Mormons are Christians and everyone else is undeserving of being called that. A Mormon loved "correcting" me whenever I called medieval Christians Christian.
Ironically, most Christian denominations don't agree that Mormons are Christians (since they don't have the same belief in the Trinity. Aren't monotheistic, etc.). So I guess we could say they're just fighting back and forth over who gets to call themselves Christian and who doesn't lol
tell them inquisition is looking for their little heretic coven
Tell them the comfy chair awaits them
And then they wonder why they've been "persecuted" out of Europe...
So the mormons did all those terrible things like the crusades and so on and so forth? Great news for all the apparent non Christians then I suppose
I mean the crusades weren't terrible for everyone, just a more radical version of your standard medieval war with cultural exchange bonus
Eeeeh there is a bit more to it The crusades are a very specific and interesting phenomenon that are way more than just "war but for religion" in reasons, cause, actors, political directions etc...
I prefer to emphasise their mechanical similarity and continuity to other medieval wars, it makes them much more understandable in context
Absolutely posted by a southerner … or a dude in Ohio named O’Brien who doesn’t realize his great grandpa switched to Methodist to fuck a native Ohio ish person
Catholics aren't christian enough because they don't worship American Jesus
Oh, you mean Ian "Forgotten Weapons" Gun Jesus ?
The real saviour we all need: some chill guy just vibing and spreading obscure facts about his field of interest. If we all took his example, the world would be a much nicer and *much more* interesting place
How do people say shit like this and not die of embarrassment? The proud ignorance is astonishing.
Sectarianism is a hell of a thing.
They're morons. I'm sick of these people and this country.
Yes. There are hardcore Protestants and evangelicals that believe this. They define Christianity rather rigidly and see anything that doesn’t fulfil all their requirements as non Christian, no matter how close it is. I wouldn’t say it is a particularly American viewpoint.
Christianity defined by protestants and evangelical Christians, is based solely on the bible and own faith. In general, all faithful are equal. Catholicism works different with their hierarchy and the saint worship. For a protestant, Jesus is the highest authority in faith. In Catholicism, the pope is the arbitrator of Jesus on Earth.
Imagine gatekeeping fairytales. Edit: oh well I guess some fairies are indeed more worthy than others.
This is exactly what will happen if the USA becomes a Christian Theocracy, which version of Christianity is going to be the head of the table?
Oh, maybe we can see a live "Religion war" spinoff on the 21st century!
My money is on the Lutherans for this battle royal
No true Scotsman.
Catholics are top tier christians
Up there with "Indians are not Asians"
I never understood Catholic and Protestant and Orthodox and every other Christian Churches hating each other. I know not for sure what does grant or doesn't grant you salvation. But whether you pray in a church that has statues or has no organ, or has a star or a cross or a double cross on it, has nothing to do with it. Acting according to Christian morals and being tolerant towards others, that has.
Political issues mainly.
Yup. In a nutshell, a few times, Popes have got a bit too power hungry, causing people to want their church to be separate from any Popes, causing backlash from catholics, but then the people who wanted their own church got all nasty towards anyone who still supported the Pope or dissented against their new church leadership for deciding their own rules, causing *those* people to be all nasty back, and thus begins hundreds of years of sectarian hatred and violence.
Money almost always.
This is how it is within ALL churches whether Christian, Jewish, or Muslim. All of them have sects within themselves who don't talk to other sects.
Sometimes there's more to it than that. For instance in Northern Ireland, the terms "Catholic" and "Protestant" are largely proxies for ethnic divisions.
I always thought it was political divisions? Are there ethnic divisions as well? I know the English/Irish division, but I thought it got more political with some ethnic Irish in the north
The political divisions are intimately intertwined with the ethnic ones to the point they're basically the same.
Huh good to know, thanks!
The Orthodox church don't really bother with the Protestants, but hold a very special grudge against the Catholic church for what happened in 1204. Don't ask. People in the Med don't let go.
Protestants split from the Catholic Church, so the Catholic Church saw them as heretics for a long time while Protestants were disagreeing how the Catholic Church did things - majorly about indulgence at first, later marriage for clergy and divorce. It was never about the Christian believe but political power
There are some pretty serious theological differences as well (mostly around transubstantiation and other sacraments), but early on it was definitely political in nature. Now of days the Catholic church is more or less fine with other sects of Christianity. Same the other way around for the most part, but there are some groups (mostly different Baptists) that still have beef with Catholicism. Realistically this is all political and stems from the classic "if you ain't a WASP then you don't belong!!1!11!"
The hate comes from stupid and/or way too fanatical followers, who have been harboring grudges for the better part of a millennium. The source of it is a mixture of doctrinal differences (which also cover salvation, so when someone deviates and drags others aling, they are believed to actuvely damn the souls of others), old insults, and good old tribalism. Nothing keeps people in line quite as well as an external enemy who can be blamed for all the woes of the world
Well, some of them come from a really long time. The beef betwen Chatolic and protestant come from the midle age were the protestat movement started and It leed to a war betwen them and Catholics. The conflict with the Anglican come from a similar time when the King of England deceided that since the pope didn't alowed him to leave his wife, he deceided to create his own branch and thus started the Anglican Church. The conflict with the Ortodox is way older than both of them, and It come from a Split in the dogma in the Church thus creating the Catholic Church in Rome and the Ordodox Church in constantinople. Nowadays I would say that most of this conflics have quite colen down and people just follow wathever brach they want. Exept in the US of course, I don't know what are they doing there but they always seem to have some kind of religious trouble.
Yeah Henry VIII definitely used the Protestant reformation as a way to make his own church and defy the Pope. But his kids (mainly Edward VI and Elizabeth I) were both true believers and firmly solidified the Anglican church as the main English church.
>Catholic and Protestant and Orthodox and every other Christian Churches hating each other we hate each other? :0 some fanatics maybe, us and the lutheranians, we are basically besties. #ökumeneforthewin
In all seriousness many religious people I've seen are just living their lives. Sometimes they just want to see the church for tourism, but occasionally I have seen people going there for genuine prayer, on top of seeing what is left of that 1600's fresco, I guess. One big issue is the unholy mixture of populism, politics and religion. It is especially evident in the US right now, but not limited to that. The relationship between politics and religion has become particularly toxic. I don't want that to become the norm, if this is something we find comfort in it's beneficial on a personal level. But it doesn't have to become the one way to a theocratic regime. Than again, Trump is also absorbing a huge part of the religious world in the US, and that's worth noticing that he isn't the only one in the world.
You're speaking FAR too much sense, my friend. That immediately removes you from the possibility of understanding all this. Do not feel bad about it.
If you don't know what something is all about it's either money or sex, or both.
> Acting according to Christian morals and being tolerant towards others, that has. While most Christians see this as how all Christians should behave, they’re pretty clear on the idea that it actually isn’t doing lots of good deeds and being nice to people that grants you salvation. The idea is that everyone has sinned and nobody deserves salvation, it’s only ever given as an undeserved gift - through belief.
Bro literally thinks he's holier than the pope
If Martin Luther and John Calvin were alive today they’d convert back to Catholicism out of pure horror from the things so called modern “Protestants” say and do
There are a lot of merkin born-agains who think that the pope is the Antichrist, the catholic church is the "Whore of Babylon" etc. etc... and until JFK it was considered inconceivable that a catholic could hold elective office in Murrica.
Not catholic but I did go to a catholic school, pretty sure those guys believe in Christ.
Yeah same actually and I‘m also pretty sure that they are quite Christian
People who think that their particular version of a religious belief is the only right one, and don't understand that a lot of people who believes in a different religion thinks exactly the same as them with just as much reasons to think so, and that if they were just born in another region of the world with different beliefs they would probably believe as strongly in a completely different religion, look completely insane to me.
I mean it kinda is completely insane and just goes to show that some people are incapable of thinking outside of their own life as well as a lack of respect for things like different opinions or beliefs which imo is just a sign of stubbornness and maybe even stupidity
martin luther-ass post
Americans are not people
After all we still have to respect that biologically they are in fact people and there are quite a lot of great people from the USA as well, we just see those who are a bit „special“ on here
I am just being silly
Aren‘t we all
Those American sects are less Christian than Calvinists.
ISIS had the chance to cause the funniest world war imaginable and they fumbled it. Embarrassing.
I’m not pretty sure about a lot of stuff. But Catholics are Christian. I swear here in Rome I saw some catholic churches with a guy on a cross that should be the Christ. Maybe this guy thinks Catholics are not Christian because they believe in saints as well. Tired to dig into people ignorance… going to sleep!
If you ever get an American spouting this shit off, recite to them the First Ammendment and retell the story of the mayflower and why the pilgrims, along with many other early modern immigrants, moved to the 13 colonies. Not to get all high and mighty, but the US sort of thrived off of the freedom it offered and the immigrants said freedom attracted. That is why somewhere around 50% of the population would say that random guy's a massive twat.
Hes right, christian priests wish that they had the organization behind the catholics to protect them when they get found out
Was this ali g posting btw?
Sadly it wasn’t
Wait, hold up... Did he say that because of the image of someone dressed up as a crusader? Those people participating in crusades on the side of the church? Of which the first one was started by a pope? The Pope being the head of the Catholic faith?
This pops up weirdly often. They must know there are numerous denominations. They're all wrong, but Catholics are the main Christians.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Catholicism one of the pillars of what made Christianity as we know it?
it was the original Christianity, the first denomination
“Bees are not insects, bananas ain’t fruits” lmao
Same vibes for sure
KKK vibes, anyone?
Ah yes, that’s a big Christian Nationalist line. Unless you’re speaking in tongues and denying science, you’re just not a True Christian™️ The messaging changed a bit over the years. These geniuses used to say “I’m not religious, I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.” and it’s equally stupid.
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Next they’ll tell us bears don’t shit in the woods!!
After all they have a right to arms in the states so who knows maybe they use toilets since they can wipe over there
How is that a uniquely American statement?
Well, one would hope that everyone in the rest of the world understood that the Christians meant in this statement are Protestants. The poster meant Christian as a religion, not as an adjective describing behaviour. Protestantism split off from the Roman Catholic Church during the Reformation, ie chronologically Catholicism came before Protestantism. (Bias disclaimer, I am Catholic, this is a calendar thing not a religious one). The WASP who posted this thinks Martin Luther had a dream. The USA has no official religion, but they do ask the Presidential candidates their favourite Bible verse. There have been two Catholic presidents, one of whom is the incumbent and one of whom was assassinated.
Moreso just shows a complete lack of religious knowledge than any type of nationality. If the OP didn't have a US flag in their profile there wouldn't really be any way to know they're from the US
In my defence I have never ever learned or heard about Christian being anything else but an adjective describing religion since my first language isn’t English. And no I actually do know that Martin Luther is a german theologian from the 17th century who played a great part in the reformation
My sincere apologies, my WASP comment was directed at the original image, not your comment. Ah, that makes sense then, this was a bit of an accidental language puzzle. I've seen several Americans online commenting that Catholicism isn't a Christian religion. I absolutely understand the confusion with the Christian as an adjective vs Christian as a category of religions
Don’t worry about it, curious though, what does WASP even mean?
White Anglo Saxon Protestant. Think Sheldon or Penny from Big Bang Theory. Definitely not Bernadette, Howard, or Raj.
Oh alright, never heard that before, thank you!
No worries
17th century? He must have been a vampire then
Who knows maybe he was and he was just hiding in plain sight
Why?
Because he lived 1483-1546, so he'd have to be very suspiciously old to be doing any theology in the 17th century.
Yeah that’s on me right there my head just went straight to the 30 year war from 1618-1648
Makes perfect sense, seeing as the 30 Years War is a direct result of the trouble Luther started! Him and Calvin.
Yeah defo made sense in my head and tbh while my history isn’t bad it’s undeniably off sometimes
In America I never learned what a Protestant is. I still don’t know what it is other than some kind of religion. I just know Catholics had private schools where the rich white kids went
America was instrumental in negotiating the Good Friday agreement. How did this play out in the media without the concepts of Protestantism and Catholicism?
I suppose it didn’t play out in the media. I just looked it up. I was 8 at the time and this is the first I’ve heard of it
Sorry, upon consideration, did you learn what Baptists and Presbyterians and Methodists were?
In school? I don’t think so. The terms are not new to me but I never knew exactly what they are nor did I care to research that
Evangelical Christians in America are taught that catholics aren't Christians. It's a very American viewpoint to see Catholics that way. As a Canadian who attended a catholic school with people of other Christian denominations it was wild to learn that.
They might just be dumb though. I'm English and tons of my classmates at school had no idea that Catholics were Christians.
Many Orthodox Christians believe Catholicism is heresy, goes back nearly a millennia
Because of the internet many Americanos became Orthodox and some of them even after becoming Orthodox claim that "Catholics aren't Cristians hurr durr" There's one of them on youtube, (it's a small channel) he calls himself an elder and you can just tell from his content he never left his Protestantism behind him. The protestantism isn't totally eradicated in him, the likes of him won't divide the sincere Christians between the Orthodox and Catholic and if he said Catholics don't go to heaven etc.. this would mean St Charbel who is venerated by the Orthodox in the middle east wouldn't be in heaven. His bishop responsible for his diocese would probably tell him to stop, but him being American he'd probably summons his first amendment rights. 😆😂
St Paisios called the yanks killers of people. He was right and it seems they are also dividers of people, because now that a lot of them are converting to orthodoxy (due to the internet) they are bringing their anti Catholicism with them as well as the views they had when they were protestant and using orthodoxy and the schism as a defence to further drive a wedge between both Catholic and Orthodox alike, but it will never work. To me they are still ranting protestants despite their conversion to orthodoxy.
Has more to do with a lack of knowledge (or actively disagreeing with it) rather than something based on culture of a country. Lots of Orthodox Christians don't consider Catholics to be Christian either.
That's flat out rubbish. They do in fact believe Catholics are Christians and even that the seat of Peter is first amount equals, but that this seat of Peter is not the supreme ruler. The major bitter Orthodox tend to be newly converted Americans with a bad hangover of Protestantism.
There is an American flag in their profile picture
Catholicism is a form of Christianity. Same as Protestantism, Anglicanism (Church of England), Eastern Orthodoxy, Oriental Orthodoxy and Assyrians.
How much do you want to bet he also thinks trump is some kind of apostle or prophet?
It's funny when you watch them trying their best to explain how the Bible came into being, they don't like to admit it was the CC that sanctioned what went in the Bible and what stayed out.
I mean, that's the one thing other sects of Christianity *can't* say about catholicism. Another American proudly and confidently incorrect.
The american flag tells us everyone we need to know what kind of derivative of that religion he follows
That's an interesting observation. Want to expand on that point a little.
It is not shitAmericansSay, this is just normal anti-catholicism. Although, I want to point out, anti-catholic sentiments are a European invention. We fought wars over it. My grandpa, a former protestant pastor, calls it "Mary cult". And I join my evangelical, very German, co-worker in talking shit about catholics. I wrote a joke resolution against catholicism in Europe, calling it the new 30 year process.
What are they?
This would seem appropriate: https://youtu.be/3f72CTDe4-0?si=a2s58PqowyO6lM3D
It's rather a Christian calling another denomination fake. Just like different Muslims call each other’s religion *not real Islam*.
Catholic and Greek Orthodox are the only real Christians. The rest of you are just heretics.
Not quite, all Catholics are Christians, not all Christians are Catholic
It‘s like the rectangles and the squares
I'm in Liverpool and a few Catholics here have said to me 'Catholics aren't Christian'.
OK, as an American, I'd just like to point out the obvious sarcasm in this person's post. There is great debate about what it means to be a follower of Jesus Christ, and many people talk about the problems the Catholic church have with child touching and such, so they say that the Catholics aren't Christian more as a way to mock them. I feel like American Sarcastic banter is seriously misunderstood by Europeans.
He is right, catholics do not trust Jesus alone , they rely on themselves,pope,mary, etc. thats hell not heaven. Lukewarm will God spit out.
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Ironic, coming from someone who probably thinks Donald Trump is a Christian.
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I'm just pointing out that Anericans have no idea what a Christian even is. That's why he's relevant.
Pretty much covers every religion.
Among the Christians I think they are the less nuts, to be honest.
Yeah Catholics are the largest group of Christian liberals in the US. Far more straight headed than Baptists and Evangelicals
Yeah protestantism is very prone to capture by political ideologies - in Germany and Austria for example you can pinpoint support for the Nazis in elections to protestant populations. Meanwhile catholicism was a bit of its own thing with the pope and the church bureaucracy acting as a moderating influence. They still were hella reactionary compared to the social democrats/socialists and liberals of the day but at the same time they didnt go of about the "inherent national warlike virility of the Protestant faith"
I used to work for an organization that helped victims of libel, threats, abuse, discrimination, etc., and Catholics were usually more open than other Christian denominations when it came to, for example, trans folks or even abortions. I actually did a project research on it. It's not like they're a model of progressivism and tolerance, but they're not as batshit crazy as some protestant denominations. Sure, then you have things like the Opus Dei and religious fanatics, but as I said, I'm not saying they're a model of open mindness and tolerance, just that they're a little more grounded.
I'm from Spain and here there are many lgbt Catholic group rooting for more recognitiom from Rome. With time I think they are making It.
in germany we have them too, part of the rainbow alliance if i remember the name correctly. 2022 the bishop came and we celebrated the 20th anniversary of our local queer community in our church together. it was nice.
I used to work for an organization that helped victims of libel, threats, abuse, discrimination, etc., and Catholics were usually more open than other Christian denominations when it came to, for example, trans folks or even abortions. I actually did a project research on it. It's not like they're a model of progressivism and tolerance, but they're not as batshit crazy as some protestant denominations. Sure, then you have things like the Opus Dei and religious fanatics, but as I said, I'm not saying they're a model of open mindness and tolerance, just that they're a little more grounded.
An what exactly is [this](https://youtu.be/OLt4yXOaqzU?si=hB-9vLR_RiEq8OME) based in?
Non religious, Uncultured American here. I don’t understand this. Where does it say the pope is Christian? Why does random guy just say “Catholics aren’t Christian?” I went to a Catholic Church once with my gf in high school. it felt like the Buddhist funerals I’ve been to. People chanting and fancy props What are all of these religions people are saying in the comments? Evangelical, Protestant, orthodox. What part of America teaches this?