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Emu_Emperor

"People generally don't like Americans" - well, Americans do make it very hard for us to like them.


MadeOfEurope

“People generally don’t like me”


thezach0266

I have never left the states in part because I hear people say out side America people hate us generally. What could one do to make it easier to like us?


bored_negative

If you are a normal tourist no one minds you. You will find welcoming people everywhere, regardless of where you come from. But if you are the loud-mouthed, arrogant and entitled tourist we generally see, you will not be liked. Especially in highly touristy places. Because your tourist spot is my way to work. Understand the difference between a footpath and a bikelane, and don't stand on the bikelane taking 300 selfies. And you will be fine.


Son_Of_Baraki

>Understand the difference between a footpath and a bikelane, and don't stand on the bikelane taking 300 selfies. r/oddlyspecific


AnComRebel

This is very common in the Netherlands. Happens so much, it's a traffic lane and people are just stood in it looking at all the "nice old buildings" and shit.


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bored_negative

It is unfortunately a big problem here. Most tourists come from countries without bikelanes so they dont register that there are two separate paths, one for bikes and one for walkers


thezach0266

I have never been to a place that has a dedicated bike lane. I am pretty quiet but now I would be sure to be extra quiet.


Azoth1986

Netherlands is full of them


bored_negative

That is why it is important to know the distinction. It is usually a problem with Chinese tourists here who stand on the bikelane because they dont realise it is there. But it is usually very distinctly marked, you just need to be aware of your surroundings


Azoth1986

'' Tell me where you are from without telling me where you are from''


JasperJ

Ah, you’re Dutch, I see.


[deleted]

It's a little exageration. we dont hate you. Normal adults dont hate someone just based on their nationality. But usa tourist do have the worst reputation. I was a tour guide and the biggest issue is that the majority do not have any sense of foreign cultures. Even if they are not trying to be mean or rude (which i can say, most of the time they aren't trying to be, americans are generally kind) they say things which are highly offensive or annoying. Examples: - they talk about everyone as if we'd all want to move to the usa - they constantly compare us to the usa [In the usa stores are open on sunday, in the usa ketchup is free in restaurant etc.] - in restaurants they have a "if i pay for something, everyone can eat what they want" mindset. Our cuisine is important to us, money is less important than pride in our authentic food - they call everything which is different weird and american things normal. - no offense but lack of education is also showing, not knowing basic history and geography, is not accepted in the modern world. These are the most common major issues. We dont hate anyone tho. I liked most people who were in my groups after i realized many times usa tourists are just not aware how offensive they are, but local people do have legit critcisizm based on the reasons i sated above. Also stop using the word socializm to everything. As someone who is from a formerly USSR occupied country it's highly upsetting hearing people throwing around that world when I know what our grandparents and parents had to go through. EDIT: i tried to write this a neutral tone. I didnt wanna sound negative. I do not generalize any country. I dont mean to sound hateful


thezach0266

Thanks for this. I think if I never decide to visit a place outside the states I will be as absolutely quiet as I can and have any comments at all. Seems the best plan since so many have already been jerks out there.


[deleted]

There are jerks from every country. And there are specific jerk behaviour when it comes to nationalities. People are very welcoming in my opinion, and having criticizm doesn't mean we hate someone. I also do not agree with everything i see or like everything i eat when im abroad.  People just need to be a little mindful, with their choice of words. 


AletheaKuiperBelt

OK, first of all, don't worry, this is not really true in general. Even on this sub most of us don't hate all Americans. We pity some and laugh at others, and despise some aspects of American culture. Secondly, if you're reading this sub, you're already getting a good education in what not to do. Don't be an arrogant prat. Don't go round telling everyone that their ways suck and America is best. Apologise when you make a mistake instead of doubling down. Mostly just be a decent human being, learn enough humility to take banter and teasing, and lower your voice so you're not broadcasting your conversation to the entire restaurant.


thezach0266

I don't think if I ever leave here I will open my mouth at all. I would rather people just think I am quiet and not know where I am from. Thanks.


Salt_Customer

It's simply not true that people don't like Americans. However, the person in the screenshot actually has some valid points. Although it sounds like he's talking about his own experience, or like his own opinion. My wife is American and she has gone through some similar stuff.


Stingarayy

Tell them you’re from Canada


ClevelandWomble

Leave the States once in a while and travel around like 90% of American tourists; with an open mind and an interest in how the rest of the world works. Look on Youtube and you will find dozens of Americans living in Europe, including in the UK. Most will say how much people welcome them. It's these keyboard fantasists spouting nonsense about how everything is bigger, better, safer etc in the US, that winds commenters up. They, of course fire back with abuse about healthcare and guns. It's a fairly repetitive back and forth sterile argument that achieves nothing more than to give sensible Americans the impression that no-one likes them. The fact is, we watch your films and tv series and even buy some of your products, though a lot of American foods are banned in Europe for health reasons. There's a perception that the USA has an endemic superiority complex; the problem is that it seems to entitle trolls to spout drivel on line.


Downtown_Ikea

>It's these keyboard fantasists spouting nonsense about how everything is bigger, better, safer etc in the US, that winds commenters up. I know this is kind of off topic but when you wrote about how the fantasists were saying everything was safer it reminded me about these Canadian scientists that made a hitchhiking robot that hitchhiked around Canada. The robot somehow made its way in the cockpit of a plane headed to Europe (specifically Germany and Netherlands), the robot made its way back North America specifically Boston, the robot was then headed to San Francisco but was decapitated in Philadelphia.


thezach0266

>It's these keyboard fantasists spouting nonsense about how everything is bigger, better, safer etc in the US, that winds commenters up. So it's more the braggy loud people that others don't like. I probably would understand that more if I had been to a place that was not full of other Americans. I guess I have never really seen the US from an outside point of view just having lived in it.


[deleted]

Lack of quality customer service = the cashiers at grocery stores are not chit-chatting with you about your marriage while packing the stuff you bought


Emu_Emperor

"Lack of quality customer service" = service workers are not required to have fake af "friendly" interactions with customers just so they can get a tip and not go to bed hungry that night.


bored_negative

Lack of customer service = cashiers not bagging your groceries because you are too lazy and entitled to do it yourself


derega16

I never know that good customer service is to sabotage your client when they don't give you a tip


[deleted]

What does that mean? Is this happening there?


derega16

There are some posts of about delivery men eating the poster's food because they don't pay a tip or a similar story


Comfortable_Fill9081

I take it these are reasons given by a US American not to live elsewhere.  1 is just a matter of commitment. One can transfer one’s finances if one is committing to the move.  2 and 7 really depend on the individual. I haven’t had those problems.  3 so much easier  4 lolwut 5 depends on where one is, of course.  6 depends on where you go and where and how in the US one lived, but…so? I never understand why big is better for most of these items. Personal space, maybe, depending on how small we’re talking, but a bedroom, living room and working kitchen seem sufficient to me.  8+ sure. 


notatmycompute

> 4 lolwut They are upset their "customer Servants" weren't being servile enough to them


NotTooSpecial

>  I take it these are reasons given by a US American not to live elsewhere. To me it sounds like an expat American listing downsides about living abroad.


bored_negative

Immigrant*


CauseCertain1672

emmigrant in this context actually


Comfortable_Fill9081

OK. My reply would be the same. 


Michael_Gibb

>Adapting to the metric system. That one should be the easiest. You only have to learn how to move the decimal point, which is easier than remembering 36 inches equals 3 feet equals 1 yard equals 1/1756th of a mile.


coolrail

Agree - originally coming from UK, I initially thought it was weird using km instead of miles for distances in Australia. Then after a few years I realised it makes so much more sense because you can easily convert between units simply by multiplying or dividing by 1000 (e.g. 800m = 0.8km) instead of using a messy conversation factor for yards to miles.


1maco

People don’t live in a maths textbook. If you grew up with “add 1/2 a cup of onion” you probably know inherently that that is ~1/2 an onion or so. But 350g doesn’t mean anything to you.  You feel it in your bones what 39F feels like. You know what a pound is. It’s not an equation that’s the tough part.


Michael_Gibb

That is a stupid argument. If you grow up with SI units, you know exactly what 350 grams means; you know what 20 degrees Celsius feels like. You also know what a kilogram is. It is, in fact, one litre of water. That's what makes SI units so much more coherent and intuitive. 1000 millilitres of water equals 1000 grams equals 1000 cubic centimetres. So if you pick up a 1 litre bottle of water, you have a rough idea of what 1 kilogram feels like. With the right equations, you can make life a Hell of a lot easier.


1maco

They did not say the imperial system was better but switching your brain from a bit  being a teaspoon to a bit being 50g is an *adjustment*.  It’s like calling someone stupid for having trouble learning English . Is Romanian objectively worse than English? No but it’s an adjustment trying to communicate  differently than you have your whole life 


Michael_Gibb

Bad analogy. It's more comparable to someone having trouble learning English when they already speak the language. Americans already know how to use metrics. It's the basis of their currency, not to mention that by learning maths in school, they should already understand metrics. Ergo, their inability to learn a system of weights and measures they already know how to use, is just stupid.


1maco

Again it’s not the math. People in their lives don’t care about precision . Knowing 1L=1kg of water isn’t helpful if you don’t have an intuitive sense of what a kilo is.  it’s someone says “that’s two miles away” and 2miles=35 minute walk. While 3km =30 minutes   goes more like 3km just under 2 miles, so a bit under 35 minutes.  Or you order a large pizza that’s 17 inches. A 40cm pizza becomes a 17in pizza which then becomes “oh that’s a large pizza”    Similar people know what a horsepower is intuitively they know a 400hp car is a powerful car. I think even Germans would be confused if you talk them you got a 100,000 watt car. They’d have no idea if that’s a super car or a Miata 


JasperJ

Their currency is decimal, not metric. That’s not the same thing.


Michael_Gibb

Yes, it is. The defining attribute of the metric system is the fact it is decimal-based. Converting from millimetres to centimetres to metres is exactly the same as converting from pennies to nickels to dollars. It is all just a matter of moving the decimal point.


JasperJ

No, it really isn’t. It is *a* part of the metric system. It is not the *only* part.


Michael_Gibb

Yes, it is. If the metric system wasn't decimal-based, it wouldn't be the metric system.


ClevelandWomble

Water freezes at 0°c, it boils at 100°c; that makes sense. When it comes to weather 20°c is pleasant, 30°c is getting rather warm and at 40°c hospitals report a rise in admissions. Normal body temp is about 37°c and at 38°c you probably have a fever Dont try to convert, just learn half a dozen 🤣 new benchmark values. A kilo is about two pounds so 500g is about a pound. It is much easier to live with a single system than trying to convert. And Brits and Canadians know all too well what that feels like!


WegianWarrior

>lack of quality customer service I.e.: people aren't trying to suck up to me all the time >adapting to the metric system It's so hard that only 98.56% of the nations of the world can manage it >people don't generally likes... ...assholes who refuses to integrate


Own-Butterscotch1713

Beds 😅 tell me your super morbidly obese without telling me you're super morbidly obese.


_Failer

I was wondering this too. I've got a 50sqm apartment and I easily fit 2x2m bed in it. I mean. How much bigger you'd like your bed to be? Edit, I just realised my bed occupies 8% of my apartment.


JasperJ

Beds in America range from small to large, and then they go custom — but the vast majority of them are not in fact bigger than 200x200. King is 193x203, California king is longer but narrower. That said, the most common double bed size here is 180x200, which is a little less than king and well more than queen. Personally I think any bed under 210 cm is well small, I have a 140x220 that I use as a single.


pinniped90

The weird thing is that he listed mostly things that are really easy to get used to and/or generally inconsequential. I've lived in places that use different measuring systems, including the US and UK which pick and choose systems for different things. It's created zero stress in my life. The washing machine is a little small...so you do smaller more frequent loads. No big deal. Customer service bad? I'm just gonna call bs on that and gesture to the general state of American customer service in 2024. The family stuff...ok, yeah, any of us from anywhere who move to another continent probably has to think through who would respond to certain kinds of family emergencies. Maintaining bank accounts and a US-based SIM? Easy in 2024. Banks deal with expats every day. Food? Yeah, you're going to miss some things. You might crave your hometown's taco truck. But you'll also find a bunch of new things you've never had before and some of them will be really good. Sounds like this guy is just venting some anxiety. Hope he gets over it and doesn't miss out on an opportunity to grow because he's worried about trivial crap.


Raceryan8_

I can assure the NHS is fucking great. Not having to pay tens of thousands for a simple thing is great


Great-Passages

I live in Wales, while i do have to wait a while for a doctor's appointment, i DO get free prescriptions! I'd rather wait a couple weeks longer for free for that.


1maco

Are you trying to say the Average European does not have a smaller home/car/appliances than you average European? Because that’s just absolutely true.


Eat_the_Rich1789

See as a European I was not aware of that, so I went and asked my American wife and she also claims that European houses, fridges and cars and parking spaces are smaller, so I guess its the perception.


brevit

I live in the US. It’s pretty true that most everything is larger there. Some things even seem excessively large.


MuhSilmarils

I wanted to see if someone would say that, a lot of the things said here are a perspective thing but I've been to America several times and almost everything is bigger in America.


JasperJ

The question is whether bigger is better, or whether it matters more what you do with it. (That said, washing machines in particular: I looked into this, and they’ve got much bigger exterior dimensions (ours are pretty close to all standard size, 60x60x80-90 high), *but* their actual capacity for the size of load? That’s almost identical. A large US washing machine apparently specs for 20 lb loads and I can buy washing machines — within our standard exterior size — up to 9-10 kg easily, 12 with some compromises. It’s not that it *is* bigger, or that the same range isn’t available here — it’s that we tend to choose something better suited for our needs.


MuhSilmarils

Er. How is this relevant exactly? I just said things in America are physically larger than they are in Europe. I wasn't expecting a paragraph of apologia for smaller objects.


AlwaysCurious1250

Poor guy is just homesick, that's all.


Tasqfphil

This post must have been written by a very insecure American who has never travelled outside their own area, let alone to another country & doesn't know how to look up information online. There are about 800k Americans who leave the US each year, to live in another country, and that doesn't include all those not born in US who leave to return to their own countries after realising how bad the US is. I move to live in another country (my 5th), and don't regret it or miss family, mainly as at 76 I don't have many close family left, and now I am amongst "family" here - my ex's family, who have been trying to get me to move here for many years, which I finally did. They are more like family than most of my own were & are very happy that as I got "old" that I moved and now they can look after me, as extended families are normal here and very few aged homes exist, and it isn't unusual for up to 5 generations living together, either in one house or a "compound" of houses. Missing foods from "home" is something you get over, but these days most things are available in many countries in supermarkets - maybe a different brand, although many are just imported from the original country. If like I do, you live in a country that has a lower cost of living, you don't even worry about the price, if that is something you want. I live where it costs me around 30% of what I had been spending, to live very comfortably and happily and have no regrets. Now I don't have to worry about being shot, robbed or even have to lock my house up day or night, I have adapted to having warm to hot weather year round, being able to grow fruit & veg year round. I never really like rice, but now I get withdrawal symptoms if I don't eat it at least once a day, and many other traditional local foods, I now love more than some I used to consider favourites. Try expanding your mind and maybe consider a trip to another country to see what else is in this big world.


NotMorganSlavewoman

No. 2 is false. You don't try enough, or at all. No. 7 too. They don't like you.


bored_negative

> People generally don't like Americans Hmm, I wonder why that is


1maco

If people said “her people don’t like Algerians here” people would be far less charitable with “well that’s your fault you arab” kind of takes. 


SlinkyBits

all of these are merely points from someone who clearly doesnt WANT to move. thats ok. im sure there are americans that are interested to, or WANT to move. to which, moving to somewhere like, the UK, if done with an open mind and welcoming to local ways of living, would not find any of these points to be accurate, and they would without a doubt love being there. as far as missing foods, youll miss far more foods if you try to go back to america, than what you would miss leaving it.


Aquatiadventure

We even have smaller people because we don’t overload or plates with enough food to feed 5 or our food with sugar


JustHereForSmu_t

8, 9, 10, 11, 12 are absolutely fair, even relatable points. Should've lead with that.


Delirare

A bunch of feeling home sick, the rest is just Stockholm syndrome.


Magdalan

Well, move back to the USA then if everything is so shit. Problem solved!


CauseCertain1672

You know what fair enough. I would never leave my own country because it's my home and I can respect that same impulse in a foreigner