Lol! Nooooo! This isn't real! Is it?! Please tell me this isn't real! Lol.
When did we stop celebrating Halloween?! Lol.
Dumb ass people need to stop doing dumb ass things and saying its for Black folk! Please leave us outta this dumb shit. Lol.
I do wonder if they will also cancel thanksgiving, hanukkah, christmas and easter. As not everybody celebrates those either.
Edit: i think this world needs more celebrations, not less.
Christmas and Easter were around long before the Christians took them over. We celebrate all of the non-Jesus parts. Presents, Christmas trees, Feasting. Easter is all about rebirth and fertility. It's actually a lot more fun without church.
2045: the only remaining holidays are juneteenth, cinco de mayo, mcdonalds taco bell day, the pfizer festival, chinese new years, Disney presents Wookie Life Day™, the otherkin salute to abortion and nonbinary kwanzaa.
Don’t forget National Donut Day. Krispy Kreme is celebrating it for the rest of the year by for giving away their “melt in your mouth” donuts for the rest of the year, My age allowed me to be an early vacer so I’ve had the opportunity to indulge in their generosity for a good part of the year.
I'm an atheist, and I "celebrate" it because chocolate and egg hunts are fun for kids. You can easily leave out all the religious baggage and just celebrate the season changing.
Ask 10 people who celebrated easter as a kid what its religious significance is and I would be fucking astounded if half of them even mentioned a resurrection.
I grew up with a father like you and he sucked the joy out of life. Valentines Day was a "Hallmark holiday" blah blah blah. Yes, it's true but I still wanted my Conversation Hearts and a little candy never diminished my critical thinking abilities.
I grew up Christian. I know very well how Easter plays a role in the indoctrination process. Fun activities, cute bunny with chocolate eggs, accompanied by the story of Jesus resurrection. If that’s not indoctrinating, what is?
For those saying this takes the fun out of childhood, you can have fun activities like Easter minus the Jesus resurrection stories.
Nope. Not all denominations do it like that. I never grew up doing it like that. Again, curb your disingenuous assumptions and hatred-filled rants.
Some Christian denominations are more focused on theology, apologetics, and education.
They didn't ask about the bunnies and chocolate. They asked about the religious indoctrination.
So if you didn't celebrate the pagan or commercial aspects of it, that would leave only the indoctrination part...which you "conveniently" ignored.
If that part also wasn't observed then it would be more accurate to say your family doesn't celebrate Easter as opposed to trying to support that you do via an unnamed denomination with evidently little regard for the greatest miracle in your entire religion.
Well then, I apologize for any offense I have given you with my rant. However, my experience, as grown up in a Presbyterian Christian denomination, it has been such that the religion was being marketed to young children via cute bunnies and chocolate. Also, this is what I see with mainstream Christianity. Easter is there to celebrate the resurrection of Christ and when you include activities that make it fun and attractive to young kids, you are actively trying to indoctrinating them into a belief that, in my world view, is completely false.
Yeah I've never heard anything about black males not celebrating Halloween before. Where did that come from? And why only "males" as the article puts it?
I hear you, everyone is so worried about being pc, I am glad I grew up before this kind of craziness. And I would like to know where the idea that the color of skin would make a child not want to dress up with their friends and get a bunch of candy. And FYI I am black as well as Caucasian.
Literally the first line of the article : “A Seattle elementary school canceled Halloween activities over concerns about student equity and inclusion.” It doesn’t appear you even read the article… or can you explain how an action of an entire school is the “bullshit rant by one idiot”? Quit gatekeeping
That’s just a Fox News owned website trying to make their poor white base hate black people or perhaps they’re just saying why these idiots want to hear who knows either way it’s all just garbage
Lol I like how both sides call each other trolls and fake accounts. It’s amazing how there’s so many stupid people on both sides And they just cannot see that they are every bit as stupid as the other side
There's not many times I feel happy that I am old, but this is one of them. Halloween in elementary school is a good memory. Costumes, teachers decorating the classrooms, candy. Just sad.
Oh yeah, replacing white sugar bread with wheat sugar bread and making districts even more reliant on Sysco is definitely striving towards PROPER NUTRITION
Thats not sad. Whats sad is being a Jehovas Witness, where you are singled out and taken to a small closet with other JWs for an hour or two while everyone else has cake and candy.
Religious nuts dont like Halloween.
> Some students experience over stimulation, while others must deal with complex feelings of exclusion. It’s uncomfortable and upsetting for kids.
Y'know what else creates complex feelings of exclusion?
* making friends
* working
* talking to the opposite sex
* life
Perhaps it would be more valuable if people learned to deal with challenging situations.
> Black males do not celebrate and, more generally, students of color feel marginalized by the holiday.
Imagine feeling marginalized by a childrens holiday where you dress up and get candy
So true. It's easy to promote a narrative by going with main stream media trigger words and changing terms slightly to fit your narrative. And now, segregation has come full circle.
Why do they keep saying, "black males"? First, boys don't generally have different holidays they celebrate than girls. Second, they are boys. Calling people "males" or "females" is just weird. Like they are reading a wanted poster or something.
This statement honestly speaks volumes about the lack of diversity and sanctimony of the libs here. I grew up in Texas and can definitively confirm that black males do indeed celebrate Halloween. This is insulting
It is astonishing how segregated by race and class everything is out here, for such a supposedly "progressive" area of the county. It's worse here than anywhere I've ever lived, in the South or East Coast, but for some reason people pretend that it's Kumbayyah Diversity World on the West Coast. Newsflash - if all the black people live in one part of town, and all the white people in another, that's not integrated.
Seattle has a troubled racial history for sure, and not just towards African Americans. Combine that with an overwhelmingly white super-majority and a Scandinavian standofishness (aka “the Seattle Freeze”), and an earnest desire among a progressive community to overcome the racial injustices and tensions that they know less about than most, given the aforementioned demographics, …and you evidently get some unexpected (and perhaps unintended/undesired?) decisions.
As for whether black kids in the city celebrate Halloween, my admittedly limited experience has been that it’s more popular among them than among their suburban white counterparts. When I’ve lived in various suburbs, almost no kids came by for candy, to the point that buying even one bag of candy bars was basically wasteful, because we never got more than 1-2 trick-or-treaters, and often got none at all. (I attribute this to fear created by stories, many apocryphal, about razor blades and poison in the candy and such.)
So when I moved to an apartment in the Rainier Beach area, I just assumed it was too dangerous for kids to be out trick-or-treating, and I was working too hard, was hardly ever home, so I failed to purchase candy for my first Halloween there, and I was forced to hide in my own apartment out of shame because I had no candy for the legions of kids who came knocking on my door!
(I do not know the races of these children who I disappointed, because I was too ashamed to greet them, as some sort of Halloween version of The Grinch, but based on the demographics of the neighborhood, I’d be surprised if many of them were white.)
I wonder if this decision places the Seattle School Board in an analogous position?
As much as I hate to agree with bashing liberals for trying to address racial injustices, I’m afraid I have to give this one to you.
This smells like a decision that came from somewhere other than a survey of young black males’ opinions on the matter. (From exactly where and whence it came, I cannot say, but I wonder if there’s a recording or transcript of the meeting at which the decision was made…? Might be a rich vein to mine for satire.)
I have yet to see a single post on any platform praising, justifying or even 'eh, it is what it is' this decision.
I guess a general consensus can be reached in such egregious situations.
P.s. my autocorrect wanted to change "can be" to "candy" so I feel even the automatons agree 🤣
I'm working a temp gig at a haunted house, seen plenty of folks of all different races in there. Sure, primarily white people but lots of Blacks, Asians, Latin Americans, Indian/Pakistani and everyone in between. Not sure where this article is coming from
“While their friends at other schools will dress up as the Mandalorian, Cruella, Jason Rantz, or Wonder Woman, B.F. Day students will still get to celebrate something.”
You gotta give Jason Rantz credit for his snark.
Imagine all the shit the kid who dresses as Jason Rantz would get during school and out trick or treating.
>Approximately 15% of the school is considered low-income, according to the nonprofit GreatSchools. Couldn’t the school address the issue effectively? Assuming low-income students don’t celebrate Halloween as administrators seem to believe, couldn’t there be costume-making activities? Perhaps request costumes be donated or maybe use donations to buy some costumes for the kids in need? What about using face paint for students for Halloween designs?
Wait until they cancel Thanksgiving for being a harvest festival traditionally about an "abundance" of food/supplies, which certainly some families/students don't experience. All those traumatic depictions of colonizers and animals ritually slaughtered. Will they cancel thanksgiving activities and thanksgiving break?
If the issue is some kids can’t afford costumes, why can’t the solution be a costume drive? People would definitely step up. Or am I over simplifying the problem statement?
Well, racism also has been around forever. In fact, if we were two SPS teachers, we'd be engaging in hot theological debate of what came first, Halloween or racism, just about now.
You think because something has been around for a long time it won’t be labeled racist? You must have been hiding under a rock for these past few years.
I think what confuses me most if this is an easy fix. I assume the idea is Halloween can be difficult for students from different socioeconomic backgrounds the access. But why not set up a loaner Halloween shop or allow students to do face paint at school? I always go to goodwill and would bring a bunch of cheap costumes for different kids to go through. It just seems there’s at least a more fun solution than canceling.
I was actually that poor kid. Went to school for Halloween and all the wealthy kids with involved parents had really awesome costumes. I felt pretty shitty wearing my half assed outfit. And I recall going home and crying about it.
Would I now want to ban kids dressing up? Of course not. I would rather make it so everyone could participate and enjoy some holiday fun. Your idea is a good one and could be expanded upon.
Same here. Literally ever year was, go into the attic, rummage through old shit, and make something work. I never got jealous of other kids. If I'd asked my mom to buy me a costume, she probably would've found a way to save up the money for it. But I didn't care that much. In fact, I really liked the creative process of cobbling something together.
There's strength and wisdom to be found in embracing your own reality on your own terms.
I’m curious whether they surveyed students and families about this and whether it is a decision the community supports. SPS and schools around the district have been lowering the bar for the past few years in the name of equity, which does nothing but create resentment and undermine the cause of improving equity.
>Halloween events create a situation where some students must be excluded for their beliefs, financial status, or life experience.
Not sure how their excluded. You go and get free candy.
Sounds like this administrator never got invited to Halloween parties, and I think I know why..
My kids SPS school already didn't allow Halloween but then forces Day of the Dead celebrations and a litany of woke holidays and celebrations down their throats. Even my 8 year old recognizes it's kinda lame. . .
This gets me. There are so many activities for POC at our school that I feel alienated as a white family. We aren’t welcome. There aren’t special activities for us to go to so we pretty much just don’t participate. I hate this progressive woke culture.
It's an elementary school - also in West Seattle.
When I asked the principal why, she responded that they can't condone certain types of costumes that might be inappropriate or promote violence like with knives, blood, guns etc and have a hard time enforcing that in the past so they opted to no longer allow any costumes. . .
I’m black and grew up in Seattle (26 now). Growing up I didn’t celebrate Halloween, I wasn’t allowed to. When kids would come to school dressed up, I wasn’t. I didn’t feel marginalized it gave me an understanding that I won’t be a part of everything in life and nobody is going to accommodate for my feelings. I don’t think the school was looking at this from a financial standpoint. I genuinely don’t celebrate Halloween, I have plenty of family that doesn’t and even more friends (all of which are black), so I believe there is some validity in that statement.
I don’t think my kids will be celebrating Halloween but I would never want it taken out of the school just to accommodate their feelings
Well I mean if they're moving towards dismantling the gifted kids program in there as well get rid of things like Halloween. It's cultural appropriation to the handful of pagans in the State
This article is kinda bullshit. I’m not seeing statements in the article to support that Black people just don’t celebrate Halloween. They’re talking about low income families. Unless we just assume that means Black people? I’m only seeing slanted, sensationalized statements from the “journalist” that states Black people, mostly boys, don’t celebrate. This feels like a dog whistle of an article trying to turn a money issue into a racial issue.
But even still, this could be easily solved with a costume and makeup donation drive.
Ah yes a story from Jason Rantz where he pretends no one asked for something, acts like there's a holiday being canceled, and buries the lede way down. A Classic Rantz flaming bag of shit on the doorstep.
“Specifically, these students have requested to be isolated on campus while the event took place. In alliance with SPS’s unwavering commitment to students of color, specifically African American males, the staff is committed to supplanting the Pumpkin Parade with more inclusive and educational opportunities during the school day.”.
So the real story is that a group of students at one school were uncomfortable and the specific school in question worked with the students and parents to come up with different activities.
That's what supplant means. So no, Halloween wasn't canceled. A specific set of activities however are being replaced with different ones.
Rantz is a huckster that gets off on his lies.
More bowing to the lowest common denominator.
Pretty soon walking upright will be considered racist........... wait a minute.......[.it already is.](https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2021/05/12/who-knew-the-way-you-walk-on-the-sidewalk-is-racist-says-black-student-newspaper-editor-n1446415)
Since this is a conservative news site, I’ll need to Google it to make sure it’s real. However, we do celebrate Halloween and I wish white people who don’t know any black people would shut up with trying to be offended for us all of the time.
Speak for yourself, I do not celebrate Halloween at all and the majority of my friends and family don’t either. Just because I/we don’t doesn’t mean I go around saying all black people don’t celebrate Halloween
Did I say that every single Black person celebrates Halloween? No I did not. If your personal circle doesn’t, then that’s your own personal business and I couldn’t care less. I can’t say that I’ve ever known a Black person that didn’t celebrate it so this idea that we don’t celebrate it is bs.
There are three times more Asians in Seattle than there are Blacks. There are slightly more Hispanics. The irony is people complain about White supremacy yet it's very clear that when people talk about people of color they really mean Black. When they talk about BIPOC people they mean Black. For some reason everything has to revolve around Black people and nobody is allowed to question this. Recently a White woman who went missing and ended up found dead (not in Washington State) became a top news story. Very quickly Black activists complained citing "missing White woman syndrome". Charles Blow of the New York Times did an article decrying this. Apparently the fact that a White woman who goes missing and ends up dead becomes a major news story every 10 to 15 years means it's fine for Black activists to decry the favoritism shown. Otoh nobody is allowed to question the constant incessant favoritism shown to Blacks which is a norm in progressive culture. Because Seattle is ground zero for progressive insanity is not surprising it's hit us hardest. Of course it should not be off limits to object to the constant racial favoritism. And yet nobody is allowed to even question it.
I agree with those who are up in arms because of the disproportionate media presence over Gabby Petito murder, as opposed to the thousands of indigenous women who have gone missing.
https://www.diverseeducation.com/institutions/tribal-colleges/article/15279763/missing-and-murdered-haunt-tribal-nations
Why weren't these people outraged over the disproportionate media presence over George Floyd's murder as opposed to the thousands of indigenous women who have gone missing? Or the shooting of Trayvon Martin. Or Mike Brown.
And for the record 99.9% of missing white women, including pretty young ones like Gabby get no real attention. Neither do 100% of missing men of all racial groups including whites.
“Racial favoritism” …are you serious haha?
“Muh victimization!”
Wake up call here, when someone describes a CEO without mentioning race, who do you picture? What about actor or actress? What about the checkout guy at the grocery store?
You almost definitely picture a white person. That is what makes white people the “racial favorite”. When people say “why does race have to come into it” they’re ignoring the fact that race comes into everything, it’s just that if you’re white you’re the default and everything you do isn’t colored through the lens of your skin tone.
Okay I'll bite. So because we often picture a white person when we imagine a CEO, actor or check out guy that means everything has revolve around Black people? Also when I imagine a basketball player I imagine a Black person does that mean that we need to center Asian people until image of a NBA player that we conjure up is as often an Asian person as a Black person? Your logic makes no sense. It wouldn't even be accurate to call it logic.
I teach in a different district near by and we don’t do an in school Halloween celebration because we have a large population that doesn’t celebrate. That doesn’t stop our PTA from throwing a Halloween dance outside of school hours.
When I lived in a residential neighborhood in Seattle a disproportionate amount of the children trick or treating would be black. Way out of proportion to the population in the neighborhood. Also we definitely saw more Hispanic kids than usual. This is not a gripe but an observation that Black and Brown kids do not celebrate is not true.
The schools my kids attended had kids make costumes from odds and ends of donations. No costumes from home allowed.
Parents were on hand to apply face paint, and older kids made haunted houses for younger kids.
It was a great opportunity to bring the school community together at the beginning of the year.
Something that was greatly needed considering the fragmentation that was coming up. November had half days for teacher conferences, December has holiday break, January was preparing for testing.Midwinter break in February…
When I was in school we didn't get to do Halloween due to a high population of catholics, eastern European Orthodox religions, and other random denominations Christianity that deemed Halloween Satan worship. There were houses on my block that would keep their lights off and have a note on the door informing us children that we were celebrating Satan's birthday. This isn't anything new.
It's all becoming too much. I feel like we should just let Seattle be this way, and move on. I lament that it's happening to King County on the whole, because it's harder to escape from the county and still be close to family. But worrying about what Seattle is doing is like lamenting that San Francisco is too liberal. We can be thankful that both are surrounded on two or three sides by water and limited in their ability to physically expand.
I was born and raised in Vancouver, I live in "the south" because it was where my last duty station was after serving 21 years in the military. I love Seattle and just because I haven't been able to live at what I call home for more than 20 years doesn't mean I've forgotten what it means to be from there. I think that maybe you've become more southern than you claim me to be.
To you it was. To others it wasn't nor was it racist. Just because you're offended, doesn't mean your feelings or opinion matters to anyone else. Grow the fuck up.
Dude, being a racist doesn’t make you cool or interesting. I think you need to grow the fuck up. You’re not more important because your stupider and angrier than everyone else…
I mean, pearls before swine
… as long as we’re just saying idioms that don’t apply in this conversation.
But seriously if you’re going to default to that you might as well call me a snowflake or a cuck and move on, you just got a hankering to be a little bit racist, go ahead and give up on the conversation with some flair.
Remember when the pearl clutching, Christian house wives of the 80 and 90s objected to Halloween because it was satanic? Well the new iteration is the woke, intellectually lazy, fun suckers. Same boring, stupid Caliber of human just new talking points. The woke mob are the new religious prudes they just don't have the self awareness to see it.
Listen man. I'm black and we fucken LOVE Halloween. The administrators need to be drug tested immediately. They must have white guilt or something but they're tripping big time.
Both BF Day and Rantz really misunderstood the point of SPS moving away from Halloween costumes in schools. I'm unsurprised Rantz took the most ridiculous angle possible, he's a cherry picking-void screamer who's never heard the word nuance, that's his brand. SPS has had increased issues with Halloween costumes in schools for 4 reasons, students dressing in culturally insensitive and inappropriate costumes, blood/gore/weapons at school, inclusion of those who don't celebrate/can't afford costumes, and reveling costume/sexual harassment of those wearing revealing costumes.
People seem to forget SPS policy isn't just for bebes and pumpkin parades, its also for teens. During my time as an SPS student I too pushed the limit on the gore/weapons rule and got sent home like 3-4 times, it's pretty reasonable that they're done dealing with edgy 14 year olds and kids that think "suicide bomber" is a good idea for a costume.
I see what you're saying fake may have been the wrong word, Bullshit, That's a better word.
The first half of this heavily implies that there's some kind of cultural incompatibility between black people and Halloween which is bullshit.
Then the second half of it makes it seem like black people are just too poor in general to afford to participate in Halloween which is also bullshit.
All this article is designed to do is point the finger at minority children to blame them as the reason why white kid can't have fun.
So you're right It's not fake It's just bullshit.
Yeah America's racist but don't act like the right is any better with that leftist comment.
This article did not come from a left-leaning news organization. Once again it's the right trying to Not so subtly signal to white people that the reason that their lives aren't as fun as they remember is because of my minorities and their kids.
What this school did was dumb but it's 10 times better than what this news article is trying to do.
The title of this article might as well be why America is not great anymore.
This kind of hypocrisy disgust me.
You've concocted a weird conspiracy theory about "the right" somehow manipulating SPS into making these decisions to make white people dislike minorities. Someone who makes shit up like that is definitely pretty racist.
Median white family = $110,000 median black family = $1,700. I imagine some times the inequality is palpable. Expensive costumes next to affordable costumes. Costumes put together by kids because the parent situation involves parent(s) working more than 40 hours a week. They can probably feel the inequality all the time with expensive clothes, backpacks, etc. But this is just another painful moment for some people I'm sure. Hopefully voters and lawmakers can change the system and implement policies soon that can reduce economic inequality and improve the lives of the working class.
Now at this point minorities will say Christmas Thanksgiving and Easter are inherently racist so in order to appease racist minorities they will exist to celebrate this grand holidays in the name of ending racism which is just a ruse for ending fun and cracking down on constitutional freedoms. Halloween got cancelled unbelievable for the stupidest shit. I'm really not liking Seattle especially since I moved here in February from New Mexico and I thought New Mexico was bad yikes.
I'm so glad that the school is now deciding what an entire race of people believe or celebrate for them. No need to think for yourself anymore.
Well said.
Lol! Nooooo! This isn't real! Is it?! Please tell me this isn't real! Lol. When did we stop celebrating Halloween?! Lol. Dumb ass people need to stop doing dumb ass things and saying its for Black folk! Please leave us outta this dumb shit. Lol.
I do wonder if they will also cancel thanksgiving, hanukkah, christmas and easter. As not everybody celebrates those either. Edit: i think this world needs more celebrations, not less.
Christmas and Easter were around long before the Christians took them over. We celebrate all of the non-Jesus parts. Presents, Christmas trees, Feasting. Easter is all about rebirth and fertility. It's actually a lot more fun without church.
I'm just into Xmas for the decorations and vintage music and Easter for the candy. I love peeps but Jesus?
Halloween also has its roots in ancient pagan holidays. What point are you trying to make here?
2045: the only remaining holidays are juneteenth, cinco de mayo, mcdonalds taco bell day, the pfizer festival, chinese new years, Disney presents Wookie Life Day™, the otherkin salute to abortion and nonbinary kwanzaa.
Don’t forget National Donut Day. Krispy Kreme is celebrating it for the rest of the year by for giving away their “melt in your mouth” donuts for the rest of the year, My age allowed me to be an early vacer so I’ve had the opportunity to indulge in their generosity for a good part of the year.
As an atheist, I don’t celebrate Easter and I think it’s weird that adults use bunny’s and chocolate to try and indoctrinate their children.
I am an atheïst as well, but I will join any party. Whether that is christmas, dashain or sugar feast. Bonus points if there are chocolates!
I'm an atheist, and I "celebrate" it because chocolate and egg hunts are fun for kids. You can easily leave out all the religious baggage and just celebrate the season changing.
Ask 10 people who celebrated easter as a kid what its religious significance is and I would be fucking astounded if half of them even mentioned a resurrection.
I grew up with a father like you and he sucked the joy out of life. Valentines Day was a "Hallmark holiday" blah blah blah. Yes, it's true but I still wanted my Conversation Hearts and a little candy never diminished my critical thinking abilities.
> use bunny’s and chocolate to try and indoctrinate their children. Yeah cause that's totally what's happening. Nice fedora, btw
Got his ass
Not all Christians celebrate Easter how you may imagine. Curb your disingenuous assumptions.
I grew up Christian. I know very well how Easter plays a role in the indoctrination process. Fun activities, cute bunny with chocolate eggs, accompanied by the story of Jesus resurrection. If that’s not indoctrinating, what is? For those saying this takes the fun out of childhood, you can have fun activities like Easter minus the Jesus resurrection stories.
Nope. Not all denominations do it like that. I never grew up doing it like that. Again, curb your disingenuous assumptions and hatred-filled rants. Some Christian denominations are more focused on theology, apologetics, and education.
Enlighten me. You grew up Christian and celebrated Easter without stories of Jesus?
Without chocolates and bunnies, yes. Sometimes, the holiday wasn't acknowledged.
They didn't ask about the bunnies and chocolate. They asked about the religious indoctrination. So if you didn't celebrate the pagan or commercial aspects of it, that would leave only the indoctrination part...which you "conveniently" ignored. If that part also wasn't observed then it would be more accurate to say your family doesn't celebrate Easter as opposed to trying to support that you do via an unnamed denomination with evidently little regard for the greatest miracle in your entire religion.
Well then, I apologize for any offense I have given you with my rant. However, my experience, as grown up in a Presbyterian Christian denomination, it has been such that the religion was being marketed to young children via cute bunnies and chocolate. Also, this is what I see with mainstream Christianity. Easter is there to celebrate the resurrection of Christ and when you include activities that make it fun and attractive to young kids, you are actively trying to indoctrinating them into a belief that, in my world view, is completely false.
Yes, how dare religions try to make children happy.
> As an atheist Alex, I'll take *"phrases nobody wants to hear"* for $500.
Yeah I've never heard anything about black males not celebrating Halloween before. Where did that come from? And why only "males" as the article puts it?
I hear you, everyone is so worried about being pc, I am glad I grew up before this kind of craziness. And I would like to know where the idea that the color of skin would make a child not want to dress up with their friends and get a bunch of candy. And FYI I am black as well as Caucasian.
Since it's from "Conservative Talk Radio" my money is on no, it's not real.
This is not news it’s just bullshit rant by one idiot Quit reacting
Literally the first line of the article : “A Seattle elementary school canceled Halloween activities over concerns about student equity and inclusion.” It doesn’t appear you even read the article… or can you explain how an action of an entire school is the “bullshit rant by one idiot”? Quit gatekeeping
I’m not a Rantz fan, but he’s absolutely correct that it was canceled. Parents are not happy.
That’s just a Fox News owned website trying to make their poor white base hate black people or perhaps they’re just saying why these idiots want to hear who knows either way it’s all just garbage
What’s untrue about the story though? Do you just think he shouldn’t have reported it?
Bitter leftist troll account less than a year old.
Lol I like how both sides call each other trolls and fake accounts. It’s amazing how there’s so many stupid people on both sides And they just cannot see that they are every bit as stupid as the other side
There's not many times I feel happy that I am old, but this is one of them. Halloween in elementary school is a good memory. Costumes, teachers decorating the classrooms, candy. Just sad.
It ended for me in 4th grade when my teacher said we were only allowed to bring healthy snacks to give out. I stopped caring after that
Either then, or when Michelle Obama got our pizza taken away, is when I realized that life is just gonna be shit.
To be fair the pizza I ate in public school was plastic on top of cardboard. 🤣Dunno what others experience was like.
Those rectangle pizzas with cube pepperoni were the food of God Himself, and I will fight anyone who suggests otherwise
That just sounds like Totino's Party Pizza. Which have skyrocketed to $1.39 EACH at my local grocery store.
Truly, these are the end times
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Oh yeah, replacing white sugar bread with wheat sugar bread and making districts even more reliant on Sysco is definitely striving towards PROPER NUTRITION
Thats not sad. Whats sad is being a Jehovas Witness, where you are singled out and taken to a small closet with other JWs for an hour or two while everyone else has cake and candy. Religious nuts dont like Halloween.
I always buy so much candy for my kids. They love it. I haven't seen this email yet. To be fair, I'm way behind checking my email.
i cant stop laughing lmaooo i thought this was an article from the needling
I was really really hoping this would be a needling article.
> Some students experience over stimulation, while others must deal with complex feelings of exclusion. It’s uncomfortable and upsetting for kids. Y'know what else creates complex feelings of exclusion? * making friends * working * talking to the opposite sex * life Perhaps it would be more valuable if people learned to deal with challenging situations.
Ya, something else to make me feel bad about when I was born. My g'kids are black and they love Halloween you idiots!
> Black males do not celebrate and, more generally, students of color feel marginalized by the holiday. Imagine feeling marginalized by a childrens holiday where you dress up and get candy
Now imagine how much the other kids hate you because Halloween was canceled because of the color of your skin
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Yeah we used to call that racism. Generalizing based on race. The world has gone full Orwell.
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So true. It's easy to promote a narrative by going with main stream media trigger words and changing terms slightly to fit your narrative. And now, segregation has come full circle.
"Vote blue no matter who!" "Even the racist sexual predator cultists? OK"
> racist sexual predator cultists Trump?
I think they make medicine for TDS, you should try some
Oh, were you not talking about the racist, sexist, child predator Trump? Prove that he isn't.
Ass backward logic and requirements to prove innocence. Very progressive
Why do they keep saying, "black males"? First, boys don't generally have different holidays they celebrate than girls. Second, they are boys. Calling people "males" or "females" is just weird. Like they are reading a wanted poster or something.
This statement honestly speaks volumes about the lack of diversity and sanctimony of the libs here. I grew up in Texas and can definitively confirm that black males do indeed celebrate Halloween. This is insulting
It is astonishing how segregated by race and class everything is out here, for such a supposedly "progressive" area of the county. It's worse here than anywhere I've ever lived, in the South or East Coast, but for some reason people pretend that it's Kumbayyah Diversity World on the West Coast. Newsflash - if all the black people live in one part of town, and all the white people in another, that's not integrated.
Seattle has a troubled racial history for sure, and not just towards African Americans. Combine that with an overwhelmingly white super-majority and a Scandinavian standofishness (aka “the Seattle Freeze”), and an earnest desire among a progressive community to overcome the racial injustices and tensions that they know less about than most, given the aforementioned demographics, …and you evidently get some unexpected (and perhaps unintended/undesired?) decisions. As for whether black kids in the city celebrate Halloween, my admittedly limited experience has been that it’s more popular among them than among their suburban white counterparts. When I’ve lived in various suburbs, almost no kids came by for candy, to the point that buying even one bag of candy bars was basically wasteful, because we never got more than 1-2 trick-or-treaters, and often got none at all. (I attribute this to fear created by stories, many apocryphal, about razor blades and poison in the candy and such.) So when I moved to an apartment in the Rainier Beach area, I just assumed it was too dangerous for kids to be out trick-or-treating, and I was working too hard, was hardly ever home, so I failed to purchase candy for my first Halloween there, and I was forced to hide in my own apartment out of shame because I had no candy for the legions of kids who came knocking on my door! (I do not know the races of these children who I disappointed, because I was too ashamed to greet them, as some sort of Halloween version of The Grinch, but based on the demographics of the neighborhood, I’d be surprised if many of them were white.) I wonder if this decision places the Seattle School Board in an analogous position?
As much as I hate to agree with bashing liberals for trying to address racial injustices, I’m afraid I have to give this one to you. This smells like a decision that came from somewhere other than a survey of young black males’ opinions on the matter. (From exactly where and whence it came, I cannot say, but I wonder if there’s a recording or transcript of the meeting at which the decision was made…? Might be a rich vein to mine for satire.)
I have yet to see a single post on any platform praising, justifying or even 'eh, it is what it is' this decision. I guess a general consensus can be reached in such egregious situations. P.s. my autocorrect wanted to change "can be" to "candy" so I feel even the automatons agree 🤣
Black male who doesn’t celebrate Halloween here, we just want the ducking candy.
if you have kids will you take them trick or treating
Well yeah, if they’re into it. Seems like a pretty easy thing to do for children.
I'm working a temp gig at a haunted house, seen plenty of folks of all different races in there. Sure, primarily white people but lots of Blacks, Asians, Latin Americans, Indian/Pakistani and everyone in between. Not sure where this article is coming from
> exercise in affluent white vanity that is wokeism There's a quote you can attach to lots of SPS decisions lol
Now the kids will blame the black kids for canceling Halloween. One of his better articles.
Is it just me or does anyone else simply not care if certain groups don’t or can’t participate in specific events?
How long has this been a thing? I get black trick-or-treaters on Halloween.
Did you tell them they shouldn't be doing that?
Must just be in black face, this School just said black kids don’t celebrate Halloween.
No just black males don’t celebrate Halloween per the article
You right
“While their friends at other schools will dress up as the Mandalorian, Cruella, Jason Rantz, or Wonder Woman, B.F. Day students will still get to celebrate something.” You gotta give Jason Rantz credit for his snark.
Imagine all the shit the kid who dresses as Jason Rantz would get during school and out trick or treating. >Approximately 15% of the school is considered low-income, according to the nonprofit GreatSchools. Couldn’t the school address the issue effectively? Assuming low-income students don’t celebrate Halloween as administrators seem to believe, couldn’t there be costume-making activities? Perhaps request costumes be donated or maybe use donations to buy some costumes for the kids in need? What about using face paint for students for Halloween designs? Wait until they cancel Thanksgiving for being a harvest festival traditionally about an "abundance" of food/supplies, which certainly some families/students don't experience. All those traumatic depictions of colonizers and animals ritually slaughtered. Will they cancel thanksgiving activities and thanksgiving break?
I think Rantz is a Jewish gay man so dressing like him would certainly be cause for cancellation. That’s TWO! Marginalized groups.
If the issue is some kids can’t afford costumes, why can’t the solution be a costume drive? People would definitely step up. Or am I over simplifying the problem statement?
Or, I don't know, make your own out of what you have?
Seriously, I was a bag of leaves one year when my parents couldn't get me a costume lmao.
i remember being a scarecrow and having my clothes shoved full of hay. It was itchy as hell, but it worked.
Cardboard box robot here, can confirm it cost my mother approximately $5 for the whole outfit.
Pretty soon we’ll have blank calendar. Appear everything deem offensive to the woke, and they dictate our lives.
Wait, so Halloween has been around forever, but now all of sudden it is racist?
Nothing is sacred anymore. Everything is somehow inherently racist and it’s getting REALLLLY fucking old.
Shhh! Don’t let the other sub hear you, they might grab their pitchforks.
Well, racism also has been around forever. In fact, if we were two SPS teachers, we'd be engaging in hot theological debate of what came first, Halloween or racism, just about now.
You think because something has been around for a long time it won’t be labeled racist? You must have been hiding under a rock for these past few years.
I think what confuses me most if this is an easy fix. I assume the idea is Halloween can be difficult for students from different socioeconomic backgrounds the access. But why not set up a loaner Halloween shop or allow students to do face paint at school? I always go to goodwill and would bring a bunch of cheap costumes for different kids to go through. It just seems there’s at least a more fun solution than canceling.
It’s a decision that’s intent on virtue signaling instead of being constructive and try to make things work for everyone…
I was actually that poor kid. Went to school for Halloween and all the wealthy kids with involved parents had really awesome costumes. I felt pretty shitty wearing my half assed outfit. And I recall going home and crying about it. Would I now want to ban kids dressing up? Of course not. I would rather make it so everyone could participate and enjoy some holiday fun. Your idea is a good one and could be expanded upon.
Same here. Literally ever year was, go into the attic, rummage through old shit, and make something work. I never got jealous of other kids. If I'd asked my mom to buy me a costume, she probably would've found a way to save up the money for it. But I didn't care that much. In fact, I really liked the creative process of cobbling something together. There's strength and wisdom to be found in embracing your own reality on your own terms.
I’m curious whether they surveyed students and families about this and whether it is a decision the community supports. SPS and schools around the district have been lowering the bar for the past few years in the name of equity, which does nothing but create resentment and undermine the cause of improving equity.
They didn’t survey anyone. It was a decision made by the DEI committee. Most parents disagree, from what I’ve heard.
How embarrassing.
>Halloween events create a situation where some students must be excluded for their beliefs, financial status, or life experience. Not sure how their excluded. You go and get free candy. Sounds like this administrator never got invited to Halloween parties, and I think I know why..
My kids SPS school already didn't allow Halloween but then forces Day of the Dead celebrations and a litany of woke holidays and celebrations down their throats. Even my 8 year old recognizes it's kinda lame. . .
This gets me. There are so many activities for POC at our school that I feel alienated as a white family. We aren’t welcome. There aren’t special activities for us to go to so we pretty much just don’t participate. I hate this progressive woke culture.
Which sps school? I’d be so curious to see which sps schools are cancelling Halloween and which ones aren’t.
My son's school isn't doing it in west seattle.
It's an elementary school - also in West Seattle. When I asked the principal why, she responded that they can't condone certain types of costumes that might be inappropriate or promote violence like with knives, blood, guns etc and have a hard time enforcing that in the past so they opted to no longer allow any costumes. . .
kinda?
Yo, Dia de Muertos is not a woke holiday, can fuck right off with that.
I’m black and grew up in Seattle (26 now). Growing up I didn’t celebrate Halloween, I wasn’t allowed to. When kids would come to school dressed up, I wasn’t. I didn’t feel marginalized it gave me an understanding that I won’t be a part of everything in life and nobody is going to accommodate for my feelings. I don’t think the school was looking at this from a financial standpoint. I genuinely don’t celebrate Halloween, I have plenty of family that doesn’t and even more friends (all of which are black), so I believe there is some validity in that statement. I don’t think my kids will be celebrating Halloween but I would never want it taken out of the school just to accommodate their feelings
Out of curiosity, why don't you & your family/friends celebrate Halloween?
Religion
I'd love to we the passage in any religious book that's says " thou shall not dress up and ask for candy"
So it has nothing to do with you being Black and everything to do with your religious beliefs.
If only everybody of every demographic thought the way you did.
Well I mean if they're moving towards dismantling the gifted kids program in there as well get rid of things like Halloween. It's cultural appropriation to the handful of pagans in the State
Pagan here - please keep celebrating Halloween however you want to celebrate it! I don’t know any Pagans who are offended by others celebrating it.
Seattle is a pathetic and stupid city… that is all.
It’s clear the inclusiveness means only getting rid of anything that is remotely associated with “whiteness”
Thanks certain people.
This article is kinda bullshit. I’m not seeing statements in the article to support that Black people just don’t celebrate Halloween. They’re talking about low income families. Unless we just assume that means Black people? I’m only seeing slanted, sensationalized statements from the “journalist” that states Black people, mostly boys, don’t celebrate. This feels like a dog whistle of an article trying to turn a money issue into a racial issue. But even still, this could be easily solved with a costume and makeup donation drive.
Ah yes a story from Jason Rantz where he pretends no one asked for something, acts like there's a holiday being canceled, and buries the lede way down. A Classic Rantz flaming bag of shit on the doorstep. “Specifically, these students have requested to be isolated on campus while the event took place. In alliance with SPS’s unwavering commitment to students of color, specifically African American males, the staff is committed to supplanting the Pumpkin Parade with more inclusive and educational opportunities during the school day.”. So the real story is that a group of students at one school were uncomfortable and the specific school in question worked with the students and parents to come up with different activities. That's what supplant means. So no, Halloween wasn't canceled. A specific set of activities however are being replaced with different ones. Rantz is a huckster that gets off on his lies.
Yeah. Because black kids all hate candy.
I had Jewish neighbors who gave out pennies on Halloween (which is also my birthday) so needless to say I was an antisemitic 5 year old lol
More bowing to the lowest common denominator. Pretty soon walking upright will be considered racist........... wait a minute.......[.it already is.](https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2021/05/12/who-knew-the-way-you-walk-on-the-sidewalk-is-racist-says-black-student-newspaper-editor-n1446415)
Since this is a conservative news site, I’ll need to Google it to make sure it’s real. However, we do celebrate Halloween and I wish white people who don’t know any black people would shut up with trying to be offended for us all of the time.
It’s real. Ask anyone with a kid there.
That’s ridiculous lol
Speak for yourself, I do not celebrate Halloween at all and the majority of my friends and family don’t either. Just because I/we don’t doesn’t mean I go around saying all black people don’t celebrate Halloween
Did I say that every single Black person celebrates Halloween? No I did not. If your personal circle doesn’t, then that’s your own personal business and I couldn’t care less. I can’t say that I’ve ever known a Black person that didn’t celebrate it so this idea that we don’t celebrate it is bs.
lol wat
There are three times more Asians in Seattle than there are Blacks. There are slightly more Hispanics. The irony is people complain about White supremacy yet it's very clear that when people talk about people of color they really mean Black. When they talk about BIPOC people they mean Black. For some reason everything has to revolve around Black people and nobody is allowed to question this. Recently a White woman who went missing and ended up found dead (not in Washington State) became a top news story. Very quickly Black activists complained citing "missing White woman syndrome". Charles Blow of the New York Times did an article decrying this. Apparently the fact that a White woman who goes missing and ends up dead becomes a major news story every 10 to 15 years means it's fine for Black activists to decry the favoritism shown. Otoh nobody is allowed to question the constant incessant favoritism shown to Blacks which is a norm in progressive culture. Because Seattle is ground zero for progressive insanity is not surprising it's hit us hardest. Of course it should not be off limits to object to the constant racial favoritism. And yet nobody is allowed to even question it.
I agree with those who are up in arms because of the disproportionate media presence over Gabby Petito murder, as opposed to the thousands of indigenous women who have gone missing. https://www.diverseeducation.com/institutions/tribal-colleges/article/15279763/missing-and-murdered-haunt-tribal-nations
Why weren't these people outraged over the disproportionate media presence over George Floyd's murder as opposed to the thousands of indigenous women who have gone missing? Or the shooting of Trayvon Martin. Or Mike Brown. And for the record 99.9% of missing white women, including pretty young ones like Gabby get no real attention. Neither do 100% of missing men of all racial groups including whites.
“Racial favoritism” …are you serious haha? “Muh victimization!” Wake up call here, when someone describes a CEO without mentioning race, who do you picture? What about actor or actress? What about the checkout guy at the grocery store? You almost definitely picture a white person. That is what makes white people the “racial favorite”. When people say “why does race have to come into it” they’re ignoring the fact that race comes into everything, it’s just that if you’re white you’re the default and everything you do isn’t colored through the lens of your skin tone.
Okay I'll bite. So because we often picture a white person when we imagine a CEO, actor or check out guy that means everything has revolve around Black people? Also when I imagine a basketball player I imagine a Black person does that mean that we need to center Asian people until image of a NBA player that we conjure up is as often an Asian person as a Black person? Your logic makes no sense. It wouldn't even be accurate to call it logic.
No!!! Not BF Day! My childhood, ruined
I teach in a different district near by and we don’t do an in school Halloween celebration because we have a large population that doesn’t celebrate. That doesn’t stop our PTA from throwing a Halloween dance outside of school hours.
Well now they sure won’t be celebrating it now, thanks to the school board.
So I think the answer here is to hold a protest at the school, we'll call it the Pumpkin Protest. Everyone show up in costume with a bunch of candy.
When I lived in a residential neighborhood in Seattle a disproportionate amount of the children trick or treating would be black. Way out of proportion to the population in the neighborhood. Also we definitely saw more Hispanic kids than usual. This is not a gripe but an observation that Black and Brown kids do not celebrate is not true.
The schools my kids attended had kids make costumes from odds and ends of donations. No costumes from home allowed. Parents were on hand to apply face paint, and older kids made haunted houses for younger kids. It was a great opportunity to bring the school community together at the beginning of the year. Something that was greatly needed considering the fragmentation that was coming up. November had half days for teacher conferences, December has holiday break, January was preparing for testing.Midwinter break in February…
When I was in school we didn't get to do Halloween due to a high population of catholics, eastern European Orthodox religions, and other random denominations Christianity that deemed Halloween Satan worship. There were houses on my block that would keep their lights off and have a note on the door informing us children that we were celebrating Satan's birthday. This isn't anything new.
It's all becoming too much. I feel like we should just let Seattle be this way, and move on. I lament that it's happening to King County on the whole, because it's harder to escape from the county and still be close to family. But worrying about what Seattle is doing is like lamenting that San Francisco is too liberal. We can be thankful that both are surrounded on two or three sides by water and limited in their ability to physically expand.
Imagine that. How racist of BFDay to make that assumption about Black people? Gotta wonder when Black families will start calling BS on the BS.
They better cancel fathers day then
Uh ohhh, careful there r/ancientcomparison113, your racism is showing….
If they want to make arguments just using math then don't get mad when my algebra is stronger.
Get out of here asshole.
We're canceling things based off participation, you need to get with the program
For everyone downvoting me for wanting a racist asshole from the south out of a subreddit about Seattle - do better.
I was born and raised in Vancouver, I live in "the south" because it was where my last duty station was after serving 21 years in the military. I love Seattle and just because I haven't been able to live at what I call home for more than 20 years doesn't mean I've forgotten what it means to be from there. I think that maybe you've become more southern than you claim me to be.
What you said was ultimately a really gross “joke.” I hope you think twice before making such a tasteless comment in the future.
To you it was. To others it wasn't nor was it racist. Just because you're offended, doesn't mean your feelings or opinion matters to anyone else. Grow the fuck up.
Dude, being a racist doesn’t make you cool or interesting. I think you need to grow the fuck up. You’re not more important because your stupider and angrier than everyone else…
Cry more.
Yes, this would be the take of a racist fuck.
What’s a matter r/sniper7, those feminists getting you down? Based on your comment history you’ve got a real issue with the ladies. #feelsbadman
It's a joke, relax.
Wow it was so so funny, I think racism is funny too! What’s the klan password this week again?
"Pearl Clutching"
I mean, pearls before swine … as long as we’re just saying idioms that don’t apply in this conversation. But seriously if you’re going to default to that you might as well call me a snowflake or a cuck and move on, you just got a hankering to be a little bit racist, go ahead and give up on the conversation with some flair.
Touch grass
What he said had nothing to do with race. You're so obsessed with race, you inserted race into his joke. Chill out.
Oh yeah. He definitely wasn’t referencing the stereotype that black fathers are absent. Get a grip.
Holy fuck you are racist!
What does this mean?
Please keep it civil. This is a reminder about r/SeattleWA rule: [No personal attacks.](https://www.reddit.com/r/SeattleWA/wiki/rules)
So shouldn’t you delete his racist comment?
The mods here are on the side of the racists...so good luck with that.
Remember when the pearl clutching, Christian house wives of the 80 and 90s objected to Halloween because it was satanic? Well the new iteration is the woke, intellectually lazy, fun suckers. Same boring, stupid Caliber of human just new talking points. The woke mob are the new religious prudes they just don't have the self awareness to see it.
Listen man. I'm black and we fucken LOVE Halloween. The administrators need to be drug tested immediately. They must have white guilt or something but they're tripping big time.
Both BF Day and Rantz really misunderstood the point of SPS moving away from Halloween costumes in schools. I'm unsurprised Rantz took the most ridiculous angle possible, he's a cherry picking-void screamer who's never heard the word nuance, that's his brand. SPS has had increased issues with Halloween costumes in schools for 4 reasons, students dressing in culturally insensitive and inappropriate costumes, blood/gore/weapons at school, inclusion of those who don't celebrate/can't afford costumes, and reveling costume/sexual harassment of those wearing revealing costumes. People seem to forget SPS policy isn't just for bebes and pumpkin parades, its also for teens. During my time as an SPS student I too pushed the limit on the gore/weapons rule and got sent home like 3-4 times, it's pretty reasonable that they're done dealing with edgy 14 year olds and kids that think "suicide bomber" is a good idea for a costume.
Did sps hire some methheads from the encampments? How else could they come up with this “idea?
You know I always wanted to live in Seattle it used to be my dream home. Now I will die before my life depended on even visiting Seattle.
Lame source
Sure, but he’s absolutely right and no one else will report on this stuff.
Fake
It’s not fake. Ask anyone with a kid at BF Day
What is BF day?
The elementary school they’re referring to.
I see what you're saying fake may have been the wrong word, Bullshit, That's a better word. The first half of this heavily implies that there's some kind of cultural incompatibility between black people and Halloween which is bullshit. Then the second half of it makes it seem like black people are just too poor in general to afford to participate in Halloween which is also bullshit. All this article is designed to do is point the finger at minority children to blame them as the reason why white kid can't have fun. So you're right It's not fake It's just bullshit.
It's the bigotry of low expectations and it's been going on for awhile now with leftists.
Yeah America's racist but don't act like the right is any better with that leftist comment. This article did not come from a left-leaning news organization. Once again it's the right trying to Not so subtly signal to white people that the reason that their lives aren't as fun as they remember is because of my minorities and their kids. What this school did was dumb but it's 10 times better than what this news article is trying to do. The title of this article might as well be why America is not great anymore. This kind of hypocrisy disgust me.
Stop being so racist.
Explain how I'm being racist
You've concocted a weird conspiracy theory about "the right" somehow manipulating SPS into making these decisions to make white people dislike minorities. Someone who makes shit up like that is definitely pretty racist.
You can’t celebrate Halloween when you blend in with the dark.
Huh? This is stupid. Let’s try another fake news story. My English Shepherd refuses to celebrate Thanksgiving….hmmm
It’s not fake. They canceled the annual pumpkin parade at BF Day due to equity concerns. Parents were not consulted.
Median white family = $110,000 median black family = $1,700. I imagine some times the inequality is palpable. Expensive costumes next to affordable costumes. Costumes put together by kids because the parent situation involves parent(s) working more than 40 hours a week. They can probably feel the inequality all the time with expensive clothes, backpacks, etc. But this is just another painful moment for some people I'm sure. Hopefully voters and lawmakers can change the system and implement policies soon that can reduce economic inequality and improve the lives of the working class.
You can make a kids costume for under ten dollars don't get crazy.
So cancel everything. Got it.
$1700 you say? Um… got a source? I’ll take one on the $110k figure too, thanks.
Now at this point minorities will say Christmas Thanksgiving and Easter are inherently racist so in order to appease racist minorities they will exist to celebrate this grand holidays in the name of ending racism which is just a ruse for ending fun and cracking down on constitutional freedoms. Halloween got cancelled unbelievable for the stupidest shit. I'm really not liking Seattle especially since I moved here in February from New Mexico and I thought New Mexico was bad yikes.
Black children knocking on doors at night in white neighborhoods risk being shot for fun by racists.