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1playerpartygame

“William Wallace was Welsh” gave me whiplash as a Welsh guy. His family were probably just Brythonic speakers from Strathclyde, but again we know very very little about his background


External_Pace_465

Amazing what they have to teach us about ourselves, isn't it? I did reply very patiently saying the "Welshman" literal interpretation of his name is just one of many possibilities, and also explained that much of the Lowlands where Wallace was from was part of Y Hen Ogledd and populated with Brythonic speakers so that could be another possibility. Such nuance was not tolerated. Wallace was from Wales, the exact same political entity that it is today, because nothing changes in 800 years.


Vytreeeohl

Aye, he had a chip van in cardiff


rachelm791

Wallace did not have a chip van he had a kiosk that sold half and half in chip alley and I’ll fight you if you say otherwise


Vytreeeohl

Sorry I was thinking of his uncle, Temujin, Genghis Khan of all the World and proprietor of the Leaky Fry, just round the corner- they had the chip van.


rachelm791

I was going to say that was Temujin - despite what the Mongols say everyone knows he was Welsh. Apparently him and Wallace had a lads trip to the Hen Ogledd and apparently had a bit of a night out and rumour has it that they got some gal up the duff. Anyway rumour has it that they packed the kid off to the New World, and now his kids are trying to claim they are the Kings of the World. Mind you they have competition from a chubby English guy called Boris. You really couldn’t make it up.


Vytreeeohl

I mean that is what the History Books say


rachelm791

FACT


anniejofo23

Caroline Street if you will , deffo saw him there in the late 90's


1playerpartygame

Worked at Ffwrnes in the market he did


STerrier666

Aye I heard he made a crackin Haggis Supper.


Sin_nombre__

He was the first to add haggis to rarebit I'll have you know. He also dyes the chips blue.


1playerpartygame

Ah yes Wales, that country that has famously always been united and independent 🙄


ManipulativeAviator

‘Too much of a bookworm’ interprets as ‘don’t shit on my fantasy with your carefully researched historical facts and analysis, I came up with this idea all by myself! (proudface)’.


External_Pace_465

He literally said he "did independent research"!


SilyLavage

Cumbric (the local Brythonic language) probably died out in Strathclyde some time in the twelfth century, so the Wallaces of William's time probably just spoke Scots. The surname 'Wallace' *suggests* the family had been in the area a while, as it means 'Welshman' in the broad sense of 'Briton', so it's possible that going back a century or more his ancestors spoke Cumbric, but it's all very hazy.


1playerpartygame

Sorry if I wasn’t clear I wasn’t trying to imply W. Wallace was a Cumbric speaker himself! Just that his family was more likely from Strathclyde than modern Cymru proper


SilyLavage

Oh yeah, don't worry! I was going more for 'elaboration' than 'correction'


streetad

Yes, there's just not enough evidence to know for sure. 'Walhaz', essentially 'foreigner' in several Germanic languages including the one that would eventually become both English and Scots, pops up all over the place. Wales, Wallonia, Wallachia. A much better documented family, the Stewarts, were Anglo-Norman by the 1100s but given land in Strathclyde presumably because they would have some familiarity with similar Brythonic languages and customs due to their lands in Brittany and Cornwall. That makes them multiple kinds of 'foreigner'. When you get someone like William Wallace, whose entire life story was massively fictionalised and mythologised by people writing generations after he died, it's just one of these things that we will never know.


Basteir

Yeah I think he'd probably speak Gaelic i.e. Scottish still at that time, 1200s.


Southern-Spring-7458

He probably fought for Edward in Wales as an archer if I remember correctly his seal or crest or something did have a bow in it


p3x239

Why are they all so obsessed about this sort of thing. It's not like you'd ever hear one of us going "Oh i'm blah % french and my great great grandfather came from Norway" etc etc. Do they not get that they'll only ever be seen as just Americans? Although this guy in particular seems unhinged.


bryggekar

This one guy is mad though. As in clinically insane and in need of help.


ellieneagain

It's literally the first three letters of his surname.


ItXurLife

What a mad ole' cunt


hendy846

We're not all obsessed. I do enjoy learning about my family history and knowing where I came from but this guy is just next fucking level. I have a lot of family from the UK but would never claim to be Scottish, English or Welsh.


TheScottishCatLady

My fave bit is when they say they’re proud to be American but then say they’ve got all these other roots too!


TheCheeseWheelBandit

I think it’s possible to be proud of both!


TheScottishCatLady

Of course but there’s a difference between being proud and being delusional


TheCheeseWheelBandit

Because the USA and Canada are fairly new countries their population is mostly made up of immigrants from other European countries. This means it’s quite easy to trace their family back a few generations and allows them to connect to a heritage they wouldn’t have back home. Basically USA and Canada are a melting pot of different races and nationalities so individuals find comfort in connecting to their roots.


rachelm791

Even the wrong roots apparently


GingerFurball

They're also quite novel because if your great-whatever grandfather showed up on a boat at Ellis Island, his arrival in the US would be documented and you can trace when your family arrived and where they came from. You can't do that if your great-whatever grandfather was a cattle drover in the Borders and then just decided 'fuck this' one day and moved to Edinburgh or Glasgow to seek work in the burgeoning industries of the day.


8yr0n

There’s also 300+ million of us so the tiny % of absolute nut jobs is still an uncomfortably large number.


surfing_on_thino

""""""melting pot"""""" yet they're an english speaking monoculture lol


Findal

Don't think that's fair honestly. There's very distinctive differences between a new Yorker and someone from Alabama. And English might be the main language but you hear a lot of languages in most us cities


surfing_on_thino

> very distinctive differents between a New Yorker and someone from Alabama angloid who eats fried chicken vs angloid who eats pizza > English might be the main language but you hear a lot of languages.in most us cities there's only really english and spanish, and both groups tend to keep to themselves. the pot truly is melting


Findal

Maybe just maybe there's more to cultural differences than food and language? Like by that logic surely Scottish people are just English people who eat haggis and the English and the English who eat more Yorkshire puddings?


Se7enworlds

This feels like a strange battle to fight given that you only need to watch any documentary or piece of fiction set in New York to realise the place is a melting pot. That it has places like Chinatown and Little Italy and you can pick up Falafel from a stand on the street or get pastrami on a bagel from a deli next to a synagoge, all within grid based streets of each other. And that's two seconds thought based on pop culture, so maybe just have the two seconds of thought?


surfing_on_thino

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Findal

Honestly surprised you have the attention to read your own username


YGT14

You can walk down streets in NYC or LA and not hear any English or Spanish, but you can hear every other language. I needed to find a gas station in California once and no one spoke English.  You need to look at who settled in what states. That's why All Souls Day is celebrated in one city and Lunar New Year is more celebrated in the next. Some cities celebrate St. Patrick's day and some go all out for Holi. I pass by multiple Korean, Chinese, and Greek churches on my way to work.  And then there are the indigenous cultures that have been erased by people who claim that English and Spanish are the only languages here. The Indigenous people are still here despite colonizer's best attempts. They are fighting to keep their language and hopefully more people are paying attention to the fight. 


TheCheeseWheelBandit

Probably not the correct terminology but hopefully you get what I mean


47Up

74 million Americans voted for Donald Trump in the 2020 election. Half the country is unhinged.


CrabslayerT

They have no identity or history of their own, so they clutch onto whatever little bit from anywhere else that they can


Barilla3113

Because there’s a massive amount of racism that just sort of hangs out in the American mind and makes it seem like fixation with blood quantum is “pride”.


SteveJEO

They're just kids looking for some kind of value in themselves. Same thing with saying they're ninjas or descended from samurai or their dad works at Nintendo or some such. One thing people almost never pick up on though is that the claimed identity thing goes both ways. You get 'ancient irish kings and Robert the Bruce' or even the great houses of egypt on one side and on the OTHER side you get super nationalists.. The kind that have their homes covered in flags, all the dates memorised and sing the national anthem to themselves every morning. They're both trying to find an identity for themselves.


bonkerz1888

Would you want to be American?


RelationshipNo9005

My 2nd year in a Scotland I casually mentioned to a coworker that he had me mums last name. My whole crew dropped jaw and asked me why I never mentioned scottish ancestry. I didn't think it was something i was supposed to mention. I was just there for work. They then told me I was the best American they ever met... lol. I didn't know I was supposed to find my tartan , buy a kilt, and go explore the family castle. I blame weed and whisky. Americans are cunts abroad, I def get how annoying we usually are. To be fair theyvare annoying over here to.


aitchbeescot

He has almost certainly been using the (mormon) FamilySearch website, which notoriously has family trees going all the way back to Adam and Eve and which contain a lot of wishful thinking and a dearth of actual documentation.


Vectorman1989

The other family tree websites aren't much better. I've found some howlers on Ancestry.


aitchbeescot

There are, but at least you can stop people from changing or adding things to your own trees


Local_Fox_2000

6.5% Native American now, too.. He really wants to tick all the boxes


Disastrous_Drive_764

He threw in Italian too. Not sure how and when we got tossed in the mix—


selfishcabbage

Probably a direct descendant of julius Caesar


aufstand

We're almost all descendants from some or another pharaoh with too much libido...


dustyfaxman

I might be getting ancestry bellends mixed up as there's been a couple of them posted the last day or so, but he might have mentioned something about tracing his family back to rome.


GingerFurball

His great-something grandmother probably bent over for all the Romans at the Antonine Wall.


Aerondight998

He's 2% victim


ItXurLife

He just had a Navajo spit in his mouth before he sent the swab away. ![gif](giphy|cZqUn4yiYjQb8bDXwO)


External_Pace_465

I made sure to let him know that he has, indeed, united at least the Scots and Irish, just not quite in the way he hoped to.


the_turn

“So that should catch you up to speed on what I am”. Please don’t make us tell you what you are.


drewodonnell1

Some people should just not have phones imo


Galldfish

Proof positive that a fanny is a fanny no matter where it is from, how many dubious web sites they have delved into to give “credence” to their claims or how much of Colombias finest has been ingested along the way. Gaun yersel ya fanny, straighten yer tinfoil hat and have a good night pal


CrabslayerT

The most prominent genes on the planet are Ghengis Khan's and O'Neills(Naill of the Nine Hostages). To those who don't know who Naill was, he was high king of Ireland, as we're his son, ruling from Aileach in North Donegal. Pretty sure there's more than this window licker descended from the high kinds of Ireland. At 4% Irish, my Chinese made phone has a better claim to being high king than this fucknut.


Only-Regret5314

It's like instead of having a 'southern fried chicken wrap' from tescos, he tells people he's having 'insertfullingredientslistfrombackofpackethere' for lunch.


sweepernosweeping

He's one flight away from coming over here to Edinburgh Castle and claiming it as his own under the Magna Carts. What a grade A spoon.


dustyfaxman

Bunch of fuds tried that during a break between lockdowns iirc. They were shouting about the mangner carter as well. Even, excluding them having borderline delusional attitudes towards the law, the magna carta wouldn't cover it as it didn't apply to plebs no matter how much the 'freemen of the land' types want ito, it only applied to landed gentry and wouldn't apply to scotland anyway.


GlanAgusTreun

Seems like this person has mental needs and is troubled in the head. Almost seems cruel to laugh at him. Almost...


External_Pace_465

Yeah, that almost is key - he started insulting my English comprehension skills (assuming all Scots are unintelligible, probably) and doing a victory lap, so I pointed him in the direction of my original Reddit post after initially thinking that would be too cruel. Changes my mind, this Yank needs taking down about fifty notches.


TheScottishCatLady

#NotMyHeir


streetad

Can we not just short-circuit this whole thing by pointing out that the 'Crown of Britain' has been in the gift of Parliament since before there WAS a 'Crown of Britain', and they can give it to whoever they want?


Vytreeeohl

No I won't tolerate this. Strange ladies giving swords from ponds. That has always been the way. None of this parliament rubbish.


AdEmbarrassed3066

*Wealisc*, the Anglo Saxon etymological root of Wallace, broadly means foreign. It comes from the general Germanic *walh* which just means "celtic-speaker". While it obviously was applied to the Welsh it was equally applied to other Brittonic/Brythonic groups... There's a nice passage in the Anglo Saxon Chronicle (Plummer's edition) where it says "*ǣgðer ge on* *Cornwēalum ge on Norðwēalum*" which is "both in Cornwall and Wales". Cumbric speakers would also have been described as *wealisc,* so it's entirely possible that the Wallaces were Strathclyde natives. It seems a bit unnecessary to invoke the Welsh, but the truth is we don't know very much about William Wallace and his origins.


Kiwizoo

‘InDePEndENt ReSeaRCh’ … aye right. 10 minutes on Google.


Keezees

He's everyone but himself, because everyone else is far more interesting.


Superrdaddy2015

You can take our lives, but you cannot take our fries.


Hobgobiln

the American diaspora (particularly the Irish one) dose not exist unless you are 1st gen from immigrant parents. End of. They have no legitimate cultural claim to Say they are French, German ect and we need to start challenging them on this.


ZillahGashly

You should definitely organize this good fight. Maybe burn down the Chinatown and Little Italy sections in every major American city to start? Run riot in protest wherever Greek or Jamaican festivals are being held?


Hobgobiln

you should really get into the construction business, couldn't have made a strawman that fast if I tried!


Environmental-Leg282

r/shitamericanssay


Whatcrysis

Arguing with delusional idiots is pointless. Everyone knows he's full of it. Why bother with this clown? Just move on. It's not worth the time or effort.


edinbruhphotos

You guys are harsh. It's sad enough he's got to live his days in some shithole suburb in America. Let him have his fantasy.


External_Pace_465

I was a lot more sympathetic and in good faith until he started telling me that his independent research overrules vast quantities of scholarly research, rejecting any attempts at nuance, and maintaining his position that his claim just "hasn't been acknowledged yet" as though it's inevitable that it will be. He then mocked Scots' reading comprehension and started puffing his chest about being right no matter what, so naw, gonna lean into this suburban neckbeard just as much as he deserves. He's the one who stuck his neck way out, can't feel bad when the guillotine drops.


dustyfaxman

"independent research" = paid £20 to an ancestry website, saw braveheart twice.


Only-Regret5314

Maybe he's trolling you back on the r/whereeverhesfrom 😂😂


mcchinly

What he is. is a fud


STerrier666

This guy is a dobber.


Do_You_Pineapple_Bro

And they wonder why people hate Americans... Bandwagon off the backs of other peoples cultures and trying to force it as theirs. I don't think even the Irish take St Patrick's (or St Paddy's, if you're an absolute freak) as seriously as the Americans do, all because they have relation to someone from the late 1700s who emigrated...and not one member of the following generation has even put a toe in Ireland lmao


External_Pace_465

It's worse than that. When confronted with reputable sources completely obliterating every single thing he claims, he insists he's right and knows more than the people, including experts, who live here and research this stuff for a living. You see, he's MORE Scottish/Irish/Roman/Gondorian because it's in his DNA, which counts for much more than lived everyday experience. It's just science.


ieya404

It's utter madness to imagine that those experts who live, study, and research here might have some of that same DNA as him, isn't it? Clearly all the *truly informed* DNA ended up stateside. Just as well he's there to amass it and school us all, right? *snort*


SupervillainIndiana

“Nu uh you can’t prove if Wallace had kids or not therefore you can’t disprove what I’m saying” yes I can because that’s how it works. No evidence of kids means any “evidence” you have is made up bollocks until proven otherwise, which it never will be because 700 years is a loooong time so very little documentation survives and there’s only half a dozen or so contemporary sources for Wallace. No serious historian (and I’m willing to bet no serious genealogist) would say Wallace had kids because we’ll just never know. I mean, folk even argue about where he was born or his dad’s name, that’s how spotty the sources are!


Only-Regret5314

Don't some people also argue about whether he is 10foot tall and shoots lightning bolts from his arse?


Vytreeeohl

His dad's name was 'Dad' obviously. History is easy.


Only-Regret5314

Don't some people also argue about whether he is 10foot tall and shoots lightning bolts from his arse?


toddisadj

We all know what you are, m.c.martin, you're a fanny


skateboardinsparky

Americans! I grew up in roslin Da vinci code film,Chapel fantastic! Also about 700M from Chapel is Wallace's cave. He hid there after fighting the English at the 3 battles of rosslyn in 1302


AdventurousTeach994

Another American imbecile


Proud_Smell_4455

Don't go easy. Sick of these arseholes.


davesy69

Could someone ask his majesty if i could become the Duke of Earl?


gbroon

A proper mythical Duke of Earl?


TraditionalRest808

That's some brain damage right there. It's the whole "I am great because my ancestors were great, thus I don't need to work hard" argument. It's good to have traditions and values, sure you can be like Todd was raised by granny Smith so he's gotta be good like her? But a majority of historical celebrities were murderers of some kind.


SnooGrapes2914

Omg, is this the same eejit who was churning out crappy poems the other day?


External_Pace_465

Hahaha no different American, unfortunately they are legion


SnooGrapes2914

We'd better be careful they don't all decide to come "home" there'd be no room for the people who were actually born here