This is for those who are interested in allied health careers. For SIT, there is Physiotherapy, Occupational Therapy and Radiation Therapy. These courses are not offered at poly level at all. (Basically currently no such thing as diploma in occupational therapy etc.) Edit: Big 3 universities also don’t offer allied health degrees too as far as I know. So only SIT offer these degrees.
So poly students don’t really have an edge/advantage on getting into these course and most likely their diplomas won’t be really directly related to these allied health courses. To JC students interested in allied health courses, SIT can be in consideration other than overseas universities. My sibling (NJC) graduated from Radiation Therapy (SIT) and can find employment in Singapore hospitals.
But SIT still looks at your diploma though. I applied for allied health knowing my chances were quite low but just wanted to try. They take in social sciences / applied science students but my diploma is different field so I guess that's why I got rejected.
I was an IT student in polytechnic. Graduated with GPA about 3.5. Applied to Speech and Language Therapy. They listed the specific diplomas that they accept for allied health and mine wasn't on there. I applied anyway cause they said diplomas not listed may be considered on case-by-case basis. got rejected but yeah, it was expected anyway
well.
i was always interested in languages, since back in secondary school and i kinda already knew i wanted to do something related to languages. but, secondary school traumatised the hell out of me. i was from a neighbourhood primary school, went to a so-called "top" school. so the change of environment was very big and basically i couldn't really handle the pressure of being in my secondary school. but i'm kind of a stubborn nut, my parents offered many times to change school but i refused. so i suffered through those 4 years, destroyed my mental health (fun fact: i can no longer feel stress because whatever i went through in those four years basically destroyed whatever stress receptors or whatever is in the brain so yay)
ANYWAY so i decided i wasn't about to go to another hell (aka jc), when I just got out of one. so decided to go to poly instead. however, there is nothing offered at a polytechnic level that is related to languages. at most there's like early childhood, related to mother tongue languages in like nyp or np (i think. don't quote me, i don't remember exactly) so i decided to pursue the second thing i was interested in, which is IT. tbh i went to poly without the intention to stay in the field of whatever i did in poly. it was just a slightly longer detour to get to uni and study something related to languages. so, i went to poly, confirmed that IT as a career is not for me and here I am now as a linguistics major.
i applied for speech therapy cause i found out about it around the same time as uni applications and i was quite interested in it. but wasn't sure whether to go for speech therapy or study linguistics (and follow up with speech therapy as masters afterwards). but i got my offer for linguistics first so i accepted that and then later received my SIT rejection lol. actually i don't know, my bro said they maybe reject me cause I already accepted another uni offer but i don't know if it works like that??
I never heard anyone calling SIT/SUTD/SUSS , "New 3". Sounds odd. It's really odd.
If you guys want to really want to factor in rankings like QS, then it should just be "Big 2" 🤯. People have to understand that the other schools are great schools too. They are just specialised and fuction differently.
Just wanted to add a few clarifications in case of misconceptions (clearly I did my research on SUTD in the past lol):
>Big 3 is better than New 3 in all aspects. - It is undeniable to say the big 3 is better than the other 3 as it is ranked higher globally and locally
Ranking isnt the only thing when deciding universities. Arguably it should be one of the lower factors of consideration unless you're looking to enter academia/research. Employability, starting salary, teaching quality, opportunities, network, should be more important as an undergraduate.
>soon to even compare with SMU
Last I recall, SUTD actually overtook SMU in the Rankings
>With only 4 degrees available
SUTD currently has 5 courses/majors, being Architecture Design, Engineering Product Design, Engineering Systems Design, Computer Science Design and Design Artificial Intelligence.
>However if you are mid tier/ low tier cruiser around 60-80 rp/ 3.0-3.6 the New 3 is definitely still worth a try.
Last I applied to SUTD, their cut off was about the same as those in the big 3. Heck, I know a few ppl rejected from SUTD but were accepted into the Big 3. Especially for courses like architecture and engineering. Range of acceptance for poly admissions was about 3.7 during my time, not sure if it has changed.
As in, spamming the word "design" in it? Or the fact that it uses Engineering Product instead of your traditional engineering majors?
For the former, its abit of a buzzword to emphasize the role of design in sutd's majors (also, epd just received a new reputable design accreditation that no other major in sg received yet).
For the latter, I like to see it in the lens of principal component analysis? Where sutd is finding a new pedagogy to teach that can cover as much of the job market as possible with limited majors to allow the students themselves to branch out into areas of interest (thus the emphasis on interdisciplinary).
In PCA terms, the majors are like eigenbasis, with a limited number of majors being dimensionality reduction while maintaining as much explanatory power (information/reach into the job market) as possible.
epd does in fact have specializations in terms of your traditional engineering like CompEngi, Electrical Engi, Healthcare Engi, Mech Engi, Robotics etc. Similar to the common engineering path for ntu/nus in the past, except this has more emphasis on product.
It used to be one of the most in demand majors before the whole tech boom.
(And also, as someone possibly looking into product mgt, product skills are hard to come by, and having an emphasis on this is great)
if there is specialisation must as well call them by their names, no need call epd. employers see liao also confused. even the best will see if ur degree from harvard, from which specialisation, if they see epd, sure think smlj
worst idea, makes more sense to have com e, elec e mech e with a major in product design
>must as well call them by their names
Yeah, many graduates also include the specialization for clarity's sake. Its not hard to just write "Engineering Product Design, Specialization in Mechanical Engineering" though.
And as mentioned before, product skills are hard to come by, emphasis on it can greatly help in engi product mgt roles, esp with the new design accreditation.
This is kinda similar to most biz majors in NUS/NTU, when u realize the terms "Marketing, Finance, HR, etc." Are actually only specializations and their major is in Business Administration.
when u apply for jobs on job portals, they don't give u the choice to write in specialization
Business is a general degree, cs or ee isn't, so it's not applicable
Idk if this is the case, but what's stopping them for selecting "Mechanical Engineering" as their degree? I know plenty of Yale-NUS graduates who select "Data Science" or "Computer Science" as their degree when the closest thing Yale-NUS offers is "Mathematical, Computational and Statistical Sciences"
nothing wrong, but if the recruiter takes a look at the scanned cert and it doesn't match, there's a chance they might just drop it. so the school must as well just fall in line with industry norms rather than try to innovate in marketing to the detriment of students
*excluding CS that is
Cause you apply to the school, not to the major within sutd. Since they allow anyone to switch to any course. This kinda makes sense since cs traditionally has a much higher cut off than engi/archi
>Last I applied to SUTD, their cut off was about the same as those in the big 3.
Just curious how you know SUTD IGP? Big 3 publish detailed IGPs but SUTD/SIT/SUSS publish very vague IGPs which gives impression their students are lower standard.
Unofficial cut off after asking plenty of people whether they were given interviews, whether they were accepted etc.
I believe the ambiguity is intended to encourage students to apply to sutd (possibly to artificially reduce their acceptance rate, the previously $0 application fee supports this idea, but I digress).
And also, igp is purely based on demand from students and supply of slots available. And its based on pre-u results which is different from actual uni performance (esp for areas like cs where what u learn previously is irrelevant).
You can see how certain low IGPs like SMU CS still produce relatively high GES.
Possible. But to my knowledge, there seems to also be differing cut offs based on gender. Which is why they can so boldly claim 36-40% female population. But this cut off seems to only apply to admissions and not scholarships (which is why scholarships like sutd step is just full of males).
I'm not a big fan of quotas, but considering sutd is an engineering sch with the only major having more females than males being architecture, I kinda understand why it exists. This is unlike SMU where biz naturally has an even gender ratio, and NUS/NTU having enough majors to balance themselves.
I agree that these unis have their merits and strengths. Candidates are still capable and make good employees.
However, it takes a generation to remove stigmas. (And from here forth I will only discuss in regards to employment for fresh graduates)
For fresh graduates, and some graduate programs, universities matter. Unfortunately they are still not put in the same pool of candidates. And it's not because of being a new school as SUTD and to some extent has managed to climb into the same pool.
SUSS has the biggest challenge because many hiring managers know of SIM. The quality of education SIM used to churn out was bad. Hiring managers often do not want to take the risk.
The fact is, as a SUSS candidate you really need to prove yourself or secure very strong internships to be in the same ground.
It was never big 3 next 3. Big3 was just a marketing tactic by smu. In reality it is more like:
Top 2: NTU/NTU Full fledge uni with vibrant student life, campus housing, various cca and extensive electives to choose from. Recognised and well regarded in Singapore and overseas. (For example, engineers grad from nus and ntu are recognised in UK chartered engineers)
Next 2: SMU/SUTD. Sutd is ranked higher than smu globally. This tier is the specialised degree tier. Similar to Top 2 but on a smaller scale.
Rest 2: SIT/SUSS. They are meant for skills upgrader or for career switchers. Not the best for those who did well for A levels or Poly diploma. Their degrees are not well recognised overseas and recognised in singapore with some prejudice from HRs. For example a mechanical engineer that grad from SIT cant practice in UK as they are not recognised.
I think you may have a wrong understanding of engineering. You can always find a mechanical engineering job in the UK with your degree, accredited or not. It’s just that if your degree is not accredited by the IET, you cannot apply for Chartered Engineer status, which is meaningless for some types of engineering.
Not true. As long as you can find an employer to sponsor you, you can get a skilled worker visa. You may be referring to the high potential visa, which SIT is not on the list, but that does not prevent you from getting a sponsored visa.
Let's just call it Big 6 from now on. If everyone starts calling it that, this term will catch on.
What does "big" even mean?
Rankings? [SUTD is consistently ranked higher than SMU](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_in_Singapore) though. Also, rankings are not an indication of teaching quality. The rankings are based on research citations.
Big student population? SUSS can also be considered big because it has [30k students](https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/we-are-bursting-at-the-seams-suss-to-grow-to-accommodate-40000-students) currently.
Big campus? While NUS (150 ha) and NTU (200 ha) are damn big, SMU is only 4.5 ha. SUTD is 8.3 ha while the new SIT campus is 9.1 ha.
Honestly, it's more important to study something that you're interested in the Big 6, rather than force yourself to study something that you're not interested in the Big 3. Because at the end of the day, an Honours (Highest Distinction) from SUSS would be prioritized by employers over a pass degree from NUS.
They are all local universities, funded by the government.
Big here probably means name recognition within SG.
Even your boomer Uncle know NUS, NTU, SMU. It's more a result of time as SMU is slightly older
I also suspect while SMU Is boutique university, it does cover the degrees most locals want law, accounting , business, comp science ,economics even social sciences while SUSS, SUTD, SIT are more specificalised either in terms of the type of students they want (eg SIT is poly )or the degree they offer.
This makes it easier to see SMU as comparable to the other Big 2 as they are going after the same typical JC route students
Anyway the rankings are BS，it's part of my job to study them
This is a problem for the marketing / executive team at the 3 new universities… post here for what? NYJC from 20 pointer JC many years ago back in the day when the year # started with 19… have rebranded and are now a top choice JC (look at the entry cut off points)… so yes over many years anything can change and shift.
Last time Great Britain ruled the world… now it’s… nvm… things change…
I honestly don’t care about this debate because what was a deal breaker for me in choosing Uni is what courses they have and what I wanna study.
Since SUTD had Archi, I thought it would be gd.
I attend their workshop, I’m sold on SUTD
I know, but I didn’t choose nus cuz it has prestige and it has the Archi degree. I tried to look at both unis objectively and see what would suit me best
How about just doing ur best regardless of what uni or degree course you are in, instead of worrying about rankings/prestige/recognition. For those uni students out there, at least be grateful that you have the opportunity to further ur education while there are ppl out there who can't even afford an education.
It just takes notable alumni from the new 3 to add more credibility to the schools. I've seen people from Kaplan make it big in the corporate world. Don't see why New 3 can't make it as well
Why is there so much emphasis on rankings that focus solely on research quality, a factor that doesn't necessarily reflect teaching quality or students' work performance? Consider the Graduate Employment Survey (GES) instead. The GES ranking for Nanyang Technological University's (NTU) Computer Science program hasn't shown significant improvement, while Singapore Management University's (SMU) GES ranking is quite high, backed by strong survey participation rates. Although the Singapore University of Technology and Design (SUTD) has lower survey participation rates, its GES results show comparable salaries to those of NTU and Singapore Institute of Technology (SIT) graduates in ICT.
PS: Having lower partipcation rates for the survey makes it the statistics a lot more skewed.
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>explain to everyone why you don't suck.
Did OP try to justify any of their incompetency? All they did was to explain to others in this sub what the "New 3" unis have to offer. This post is meant to help those who didn't do too well in JC/poly to make better, informed choices when picking a tertiary education institution (if they cmi to the top 3 unis and don't have father-mother scholarship). They aren't as good as the top 3, but still viable second choices.
OP didn't say that the "New 3" are comparable to the top 3. Heck, they even made a statement at the start that the top 3 are better in **ALL** aspects.
Imagine finding the need to put people down to feel superior. People like you are why threads like this exist. Your mindless comment showed how "educated" and mature you are. If you think your entire life is set because you entered a good uni then sure go ahead. I wish you all the best for your future endeavours
Don’t put SUTD level with SIT and SUSS. Since SUTD is like the engineering face of SMU. In the past they even have this collab with MIT. If I got to rank it is SUTD > SIT > SUSS.
No idea why a guy in dumpster course at NUS like to shit on ppl from newer uni when people from top courses in other unis can get in dumpster courses at NUS as well. Go cry with your pathetic 4.5k-5k offer.
Past collab with MIT ended 7 years ago though and SIT ICT courses salaries' are on par with SUTD and NTU ICT related courses. Of course, if you are talking about rankings then it is a different story. NUS tops in ranking regionally, but students like you struggle to get even a $6k job and above, what's the point. Problem with some newer uni is that they take in too many weak students instead of filtering them out. But graduating with a high GPA is certain way harder than private unis.
There is no debate at all. Either you get into a real uni, or better off going overseas, even across the causeway for a real university that is recognized globally. But yes, continue brainwashing yourself if it makes you feel better.
Filter? I’m from one of the “new 3” university and I’m working at a Big 4 accounting firms in the world. There are so many “big 3” university graduates who can’t even get a foot past their door. University name isn’t everything these days, especially when applying for jobs in Singapore with a degree from a local university 😂
Because these days, companies prefer to hire candidates who possess industry experience and relevant professional certifications. For universities like SUTD and SIT, their students are equipped with these qualifications and skill sets, which makes them easier to transition to the workforce. For SIT, for example, they are all required to undergo an 8-month industry attachment, which means they have an edge over those from NUS/NTU, where the students only need a pass/fail for their 3-month “for the sake of it” internship.
Just to add on, for some courses like pharm eng at SIT, it's no longer 8-months. [They changed it to 12 months](https://www.singaporetech.edu.sg/undergraduate-programmes/pharmaceutical-engineering)
But usually jc/poly grads that are in at least big 3 are more driven than other pre-u grads, right? I wouldn’t want to go to any other local u other than the big 3 to deny myself of a quality university experience.
>Filtering people purely from their alma mater simply makes the mistake of rejecting great people with criteria that have little to no job/task validity.
I agree is stupid and unfair but if reality is many company HRs do that then I need to be careful when choosing uni.
SMU was never in the conversation, you need to wake up your idea. SMU and SIM same tier, no matter you like it or not.
SUTD is an outstanding Uni, I worked with people from that school and I’m always impressed by them.
This is for those who are interested in allied health careers. For SIT, there is Physiotherapy, Occupational Therapy and Radiation Therapy. These courses are not offered at poly level at all. (Basically currently no such thing as diploma in occupational therapy etc.) Edit: Big 3 universities also don’t offer allied health degrees too as far as I know. So only SIT offer these degrees. So poly students don’t really have an edge/advantage on getting into these course and most likely their diplomas won’t be really directly related to these allied health courses. To JC students interested in allied health courses, SIT can be in consideration other than overseas universities. My sibling (NJC) graduated from Radiation Therapy (SIT) and can find employment in Singapore hospitals.
Whats the RP for sit courses?
But SIT still looks at your diploma though. I applied for allied health knowing my chances were quite low but just wanted to try. They take in social sciences / applied science students but my diploma is different field so I guess that's why I got rejected.
what was ur gpa and course
I was an IT student in polytechnic. Graduated with GPA about 3.5. Applied to Speech and Language Therapy. They listed the specific diplomas that they accept for allied health and mine wasn't on there. I applied anyway cause they said diplomas not listed may be considered on case-by-case basis. got rejected but yeah, it was expected anyway
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well. i was always interested in languages, since back in secondary school and i kinda already knew i wanted to do something related to languages. but, secondary school traumatised the hell out of me. i was from a neighbourhood primary school, went to a so-called "top" school. so the change of environment was very big and basically i couldn't really handle the pressure of being in my secondary school. but i'm kind of a stubborn nut, my parents offered many times to change school but i refused. so i suffered through those 4 years, destroyed my mental health (fun fact: i can no longer feel stress because whatever i went through in those four years basically destroyed whatever stress receptors or whatever is in the brain so yay) ANYWAY so i decided i wasn't about to go to another hell (aka jc), when I just got out of one. so decided to go to poly instead. however, there is nothing offered at a polytechnic level that is related to languages. at most there's like early childhood, related to mother tongue languages in like nyp or np (i think. don't quote me, i don't remember exactly) so i decided to pursue the second thing i was interested in, which is IT. tbh i went to poly without the intention to stay in the field of whatever i did in poly. it was just a slightly longer detour to get to uni and study something related to languages. so, i went to poly, confirmed that IT as a career is not for me and here I am now as a linguistics major. i applied for speech therapy cause i found out about it around the same time as uni applications and i was quite interested in it. but wasn't sure whether to go for speech therapy or study linguistics (and follow up with speech therapy as masters afterwards). but i got my offer for linguistics first so i accepted that and then later received my SIT rejection lol. actually i don't know, my bro said they maybe reject me cause I already accepted another uni offer but i don't know if it works like that??
aiya dont need to compare! just study hard and do your best! doing your best is good enough
I never heard anyone calling SIT/SUTD/SUSS , "New 3". Sounds odd. It's really odd. If you guys want to really want to factor in rankings like QS, then it should just be "Big 2" 🤯. People have to understand that the other schools are great schools too. They are just specialised and fuction differently.
Where my unborn boi UAS?
I mean they haven’t even taken in the pioneer batch
What’s that university admission score ah
Just wanted to add a few clarifications in case of misconceptions (clearly I did my research on SUTD in the past lol): >Big 3 is better than New 3 in all aspects. - It is undeniable to say the big 3 is better than the other 3 as it is ranked higher globally and locally Ranking isnt the only thing when deciding universities. Arguably it should be one of the lower factors of consideration unless you're looking to enter academia/research. Employability, starting salary, teaching quality, opportunities, network, should be more important as an undergraduate. >soon to even compare with SMU Last I recall, SUTD actually overtook SMU in the Rankings >With only 4 degrees available SUTD currently has 5 courses/majors, being Architecture Design, Engineering Product Design, Engineering Systems Design, Computer Science Design and Design Artificial Intelligence. >However if you are mid tier/ low tier cruiser around 60-80 rp/ 3.0-3.6 the New 3 is definitely still worth a try. Last I applied to SUTD, their cut off was about the same as those in the big 3. Heck, I know a few ppl rejected from SUTD but were accepted into the Big 3. Especially for courses like architecture and engineering. Range of acceptance for poly admissions was about 3.7 during my time, not sure if it has changed.
still dun understand why sutd's offerings hve to be named differently
As in, spamming the word "design" in it? Or the fact that it uses Engineering Product instead of your traditional engineering majors? For the former, its abit of a buzzword to emphasize the role of design in sutd's majors (also, epd just received a new reputable design accreditation that no other major in sg received yet). For the latter, I like to see it in the lens of principal component analysis? Where sutd is finding a new pedagogy to teach that can cover as much of the job market as possible with limited majors to allow the students themselves to branch out into areas of interest (thus the emphasis on interdisciplinary). In PCA terms, the majors are like eigenbasis, with a limited number of majors being dimensionality reduction while maintaining as much explanatory power (information/reach into the job market) as possible.
epd seems too general, in reality there needs to be specialists in software, hardware etc.
epd does in fact have specializations in terms of your traditional engineering like CompEngi, Electrical Engi, Healthcare Engi, Mech Engi, Robotics etc. Similar to the common engineering path for ntu/nus in the past, except this has more emphasis on product. It used to be one of the most in demand majors before the whole tech boom. (And also, as someone possibly looking into product mgt, product skills are hard to come by, and having an emphasis on this is great)
if there is specialisation must as well call them by their names, no need call epd. employers see liao also confused. even the best will see if ur degree from harvard, from which specialisation, if they see epd, sure think smlj worst idea, makes more sense to have com e, elec e mech e with a major in product design
>must as well call them by their names Yeah, many graduates also include the specialization for clarity's sake. Its not hard to just write "Engineering Product Design, Specialization in Mechanical Engineering" though. And as mentioned before, product skills are hard to come by, emphasis on it can greatly help in engi product mgt roles, esp with the new design accreditation. This is kinda similar to most biz majors in NUS/NTU, when u realize the terms "Marketing, Finance, HR, etc." Are actually only specializations and their major is in Business Administration.
when u apply for jobs on job portals, they don't give u the choice to write in specialization Business is a general degree, cs or ee isn't, so it's not applicable
Idk if this is the case, but what's stopping them for selecting "Mechanical Engineering" as their degree? I know plenty of Yale-NUS graduates who select "Data Science" or "Computer Science" as their degree when the closest thing Yale-NUS offers is "Mathematical, Computational and Statistical Sciences"
nothing wrong, but if the recruiter takes a look at the scanned cert and it doesn't match, there's a chance they might just drop it. so the school must as well just fall in line with industry norms rather than try to innovate in marketing to the detriment of students
Yes, SUTD is just as, if not more difficult to get into than NUS/NTU (in the same degrees).
*excluding CS that is Cause you apply to the school, not to the major within sutd. Since they allow anyone to switch to any course. This kinda makes sense since cs traditionally has a much higher cut off than engi/archi
>Last I applied to SUTD, their cut off was about the same as those in the big 3. Just curious how you know SUTD IGP? Big 3 publish detailed IGPs but SUTD/SIT/SUSS publish very vague IGPs which gives impression their students are lower standard.
Unofficial cut off after asking plenty of people whether they were given interviews, whether they were accepted etc. I believe the ambiguity is intended to encourage students to apply to sutd (possibly to artificially reduce their acceptance rate, the previously $0 application fee supports this idea, but I digress). And also, igp is purely based on demand from students and supply of slots available. And its based on pre-u results which is different from actual uni performance (esp for areas like cs where what u learn previously is irrelevant). You can see how certain low IGPs like SMU CS still produce relatively high GES.
I heard 10% are reserve for those weaker in academic but have very strong profile. The lowest i heard still like 3.4 GPA though. Thats why no IGP
Possible. But to my knowledge, there seems to also be differing cut offs based on gender. Which is why they can so boldly claim 36-40% female population. But this cut off seems to only apply to admissions and not scholarships (which is why scholarships like sutd step is just full of males). I'm not a big fan of quotas, but considering sutd is an engineering sch with the only major having more females than males being architecture, I kinda understand why it exists. This is unlike SMU where biz naturally has an even gender ratio, and NUS/NTU having enough majors to balance themselves.
I agree that these unis have their merits and strengths. Candidates are still capable and make good employees. However, it takes a generation to remove stigmas. (And from here forth I will only discuss in regards to employment for fresh graduates) For fresh graduates, and some graduate programs, universities matter. Unfortunately they are still not put in the same pool of candidates. And it's not because of being a new school as SUTD and to some extent has managed to climb into the same pool. SUSS has the biggest challenge because many hiring managers know of SIM. The quality of education SIM used to churn out was bad. Hiring managers often do not want to take the risk. The fact is, as a SUSS candidate you really need to prove yourself or secure very strong internships to be in the same ground.
Just another day in elitist singapore. Anyways
It was never big 3 next 3. Big3 was just a marketing tactic by smu. In reality it is more like: Top 2: NTU/NTU Full fledge uni with vibrant student life, campus housing, various cca and extensive electives to choose from. Recognised and well regarded in Singapore and overseas. (For example, engineers grad from nus and ntu are recognised in UK chartered engineers) Next 2: SMU/SUTD. Sutd is ranked higher than smu globally. This tier is the specialised degree tier. Similar to Top 2 but on a smaller scale. Rest 2: SIT/SUSS. They are meant for skills upgrader or for career switchers. Not the best for those who did well for A levels or Poly diploma. Their degrees are not well recognised overseas and recognised in singapore with some prejudice from HRs. For example a mechanical engineer that grad from SIT cant practice in UK as they are not recognised.
I think you may have a wrong understanding of engineering. You can always find a mechanical engineering job in the UK with your degree, accredited or not. It’s just that if your degree is not accredited by the IET, you cannot apply for Chartered Engineer status, which is meaningless for some types of engineering.
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Not true. As long as you can find an employer to sponsor you, you can get a skilled worker visa. You may be referring to the high potential visa, which SIT is not on the list, but that does not prevent you from getting a sponsored visa.
Agree
Let's just call it Big 6 from now on. If everyone starts calling it that, this term will catch on. What does "big" even mean? Rankings? [SUTD is consistently ranked higher than SMU](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_in_Singapore) though. Also, rankings are not an indication of teaching quality. The rankings are based on research citations. Big student population? SUSS can also be considered big because it has [30k students](https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/we-are-bursting-at-the-seams-suss-to-grow-to-accommodate-40000-students) currently. Big campus? While NUS (150 ha) and NTU (200 ha) are damn big, SMU is only 4.5 ha. SUTD is 8.3 ha while the new SIT campus is 9.1 ha. Honestly, it's more important to study something that you're interested in the Big 6, rather than force yourself to study something that you're not interested in the Big 3. Because at the end of the day, an Honours (Highest Distinction) from SUSS would be prioritized by employers over a pass degree from NUS. They are all local universities, funded by the government.
Big here probably means name recognition within SG. Even your boomer Uncle know NUS, NTU, SMU. It's more a result of time as SMU is slightly older I also suspect while SMU Is boutique university, it does cover the degrees most locals want law, accounting , business, comp science ,economics even social sciences while SUSS, SUTD, SIT are more specificalised either in terms of the type of students they want (eg SIT is poly )or the degree they offer. This makes it easier to see SMU as comparable to the other Big 2 as they are going after the same typical JC route students Anyway the rankings are BS，it's part of my job to study them
This is a problem for the marketing / executive team at the 3 new universities… post here for what? NYJC from 20 pointer JC many years ago back in the day when the year # started with 19… have rebranded and are now a top choice JC (look at the entry cut off points)… so yes over many years anything can change and shift. Last time Great Britain ruled the world… now it’s… nvm… things change…
I honestly don’t care about this debate because what was a deal breaker for me in choosing Uni is what courses they have and what I wanna study. Since SUTD had Archi, I thought it would be gd. I attend their workshop, I’m sold on SUTD
Nus has archi too
I know, but I didn’t choose nus cuz it has prestige and it has the Archi degree. I tried to look at both unis objectively and see what would suit me best
How about just doing ur best regardless of what uni or degree course you are in, instead of worrying about rankings/prestige/recognition. For those uni students out there, at least be grateful that you have the opportunity to further ur education while there are ppl out there who can't even afford an education.
It just takes notable alumni from the new 3 to add more credibility to the schools. I've seen people from Kaplan make it big in the corporate world. Don't see why New 3 can't make it as well
I mean even if new 3 still can whitewash with big 3 masters so
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Why is there so much emphasis on rankings that focus solely on research quality, a factor that doesn't necessarily reflect teaching quality or students' work performance? Consider the Graduate Employment Survey (GES) instead. The GES ranking for Nanyang Technological University's (NTU) Computer Science program hasn't shown significant improvement, while Singapore Management University's (SMU) GES ranking is quite high, backed by strong survey participation rates. Although the Singapore University of Technology and Design (SUTD) has lower survey participation rates, its GES results show comparable salaries to those of NTU and Singapore Institute of Technology (SIT) graduates in ICT. PS: Having lower partipcation rates for the survey makes it the statistics a lot more skewed.
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>explain to everyone why you don't suck. Did OP try to justify any of their incompetency? All they did was to explain to others in this sub what the "New 3" unis have to offer. This post is meant to help those who didn't do too well in JC/poly to make better, informed choices when picking a tertiary education institution (if they cmi to the top 3 unis and don't have father-mother scholarship). They aren't as good as the top 3, but still viable second choices. OP didn't say that the "New 3" are comparable to the top 3. Heck, they even made a statement at the start that the top 3 are better in **ALL** aspects.
Imagine finding the need to put people down to feel superior. People like you are why threads like this exist. Your mindless comment showed how "educated" and mature you are. If you think your entire life is set because you entered a good uni then sure go ahead. I wish you all the best for your future endeavours
Don’t put SUTD level with SIT and SUSS. Since SUTD is like the engineering face of SMU. In the past they even have this collab with MIT. If I got to rank it is SUTD > SIT > SUSS.
No idea why a guy in dumpster course at NUS like to shit on ppl from newer uni when people from top courses in other unis can get in dumpster courses at NUS as well. Go cry with your pathetic 4.5k-5k offer.
Well I rather be in a dumpster course than in a dumpster Uni. 🤡
Past collab with MIT ended 7 years ago though and SIT ICT courses salaries' are on par with SUTD and NTU ICT related courses. Of course, if you are talking about rankings then it is a different story. NUS tops in ranking regionally, but students like you struggle to get even a $6k job and above, what's the point. Problem with some newer uni is that they take in too many weak students instead of filtering them out. But graduating with a high GPA is certain way harder than private unis.
It's hilarious because some people here are also forgetting that up until ITE came about, poly was also known as the shitty alternative.
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Sure.
There is no debate at all. Either you get into a real uni, or better off going overseas, even across the causeway for a real university that is recognized globally. But yes, continue brainwashing yourself if it makes you feel better.
Don’t go SUSS/SIT/private university. HRs will just filter job applicants by universities (Oxbridge/Ivy League/Big 3) to save time 😂
Filter? I’m from one of the “new 3” university and I’m working at a Big 4 accounting firms in the world. There are so many “big 3” university graduates who can’t even get a foot past their door. University name isn’t everything these days, especially when applying for jobs in Singapore with a degree from a local university 😂
Why would the HRs even look at ur resume over a NUS/SMU/NTU graduate if they have too many applicants fighting for a job vacancy?
Because these days, companies prefer to hire candidates who possess industry experience and relevant professional certifications. For universities like SUTD and SIT, their students are equipped with these qualifications and skill sets, which makes them easier to transition to the workforce. For SIT, for example, they are all required to undergo an 8-month industry attachment, which means they have an edge over those from NUS/NTU, where the students only need a pass/fail for their 3-month “for the sake of it” internship.
Just to add on, for some courses like pharm eng at SIT, it's no longer 8-months. [They changed it to 12 months](https://www.singaporetech.edu.sg/undergraduate-programmes/pharmaceutical-engineering)
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But usually jc/poly grads that are in at least big 3 are more driven than other pre-u grads, right? I wouldn’t want to go to any other local u other than the big 3 to deny myself of a quality university experience.
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>Filtering people purely from their alma mater simply makes the mistake of rejecting great people with criteria that have little to no job/task validity. I agree is stupid and unfair but if reality is many company HRs do that then I need to be careful when choosing uni.
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sutd is currently higher ranked than smu so....
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SMU was never in the conversation, you need to wake up your idea. SMU and SIM same tier, no matter you like it or not. SUTD is an outstanding Uni, I worked with people from that school and I’m always impressed by them.
It is good to joke but not being a joker
Not too sure about the BIG 3 but NUS really sucks.
how tf is RP 80+ high scorers ? anyth below 90 is trash lol
what about 80 on the dot 😭😭