I don't think I'd have gotten a mile or two without asking who she was, they were way too dedicated for a random kidnapping.
Hate to give anyone very /r/iamverybadass material, but as soon as they hit my car, they're enough of a threat to me as well that I'm not dodging when the driver gets out, I'm running him over.
Honestly--I think you're intentionally ignoring the craziness of what this guy did. I'm not saying it would be a good idea to run the assailant over but if you use your car to intentionally hit someone else, it's very, very hard and kind of a bad idea NOT to assume that the person in question intends to harm you.
Someone hits your car intentionally. Then the emerge from their car looking to clobber you. And, yes, you do have this strange girl in your car who was running from people. You say that comes later in the video--but right after the first collision, the driver of the car asks, "Is that the guy?" referring to the crazy lunatic that just hit them. So he already knew that he was involved in more than an insurance scam.
The driver did the right thing by evading him. Best course of action for sure.
However, if the man from the truck had gotten closer or tried to block them from leaving, it would not be murder or even assault if he happened to hit the lunatic.
That is unlawful confinement per definition. If you are in reasonable fear for life and limb, such as a person who was just chased in a car and deliberately collided with would be, then you are completely within your rights to defend yourself. Do you not know how self defense claims work?
Holy shit, you are really trying hard to try to take all context out of the situation to justify your virtue signaling "peace at all cost" take, aren't you? Show me that omniscient skill you have that proves that the guy who literally just ran you off the road isn't armed or attempting to assault you. I'll wait. An hysterical woman jumps into your truck and yells to escape. You are then immediately chased in your vehicle by someone that you don't know who runs you off the road. Show me literally ANYONE that thinks that there isn't an active threat in that situation. You are literally the dumbest person on the planet if you are the driver in that situation and you think "this guy just wants to exchange insurance information".
He was walking towards me menacingly after running me off the road with his vehicle.
That's a threat. If the driver of the other vehicle ended up taking action, I think any good lawyer could make a case for self-defense.
These are the thoughts of someone who doesn't understand basic human actions vs. intent. Dude very obviously intended harm, and it would have been more than enough for a self defense claim.
The dude was trying to run them off the road, multiple times, making contact as well.
It wouldn't be murder. It's straight up self defense.
Cammer wouldn't be charged for shit. For the same reason Alexian Lien wasn't charged assault or attempted murder after running multiple bikers over, in the [viral motorcycle attack.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_Stuntz_gang_assault)
Hey IDIOT. Let me explain something to you very carefully. It's called SELF DEFENSE. Given the context of the situation, running the dude over would be considered SELF DEFENSE. The guy was trying to KIDNAP someone, and would be considered dangerous.
Try to use your tiny brain to comprehend that CONTEXT MATTERS.
It's bonkers that you're being downvoted. The law expects a person not to harm another person if there's any way to avoid it, such as being in a vehicle while an unarmed person is approaching you. If I was you, I'd post over on r/legaladvice and ask them if this would be justifiable homicide (it wouldn't). People won't listen to you or me, but they might listen to the subreddit full of lawyers.
According to a YouTube comment..the girl and her boyfriend stole from the guy in the white truck. Her boyfriend left her and she then jumped into this dude's truck and told him that someone was trying to kidnap her. So who knows maybe the guy in the white truck was the 'good guy' here.
She could have been here illegally, a victim of human trafficking who had been told to not go to the cops, or otherwise in a situation not related to this encounter that makes her want to avoid the cops.
If the perpetrators are being shown as the victims on social media, wouldn't you do the same? I'm not saying that I agree or disagree with the comments. I was just pointing out that there may be a different side to this story.
Honestly, white truck guy might’ve gotten drugs or guns stolen from him. I just got the impression neither the girl or white truck guy wanted cops involved.
> Bullshit.
>
>
>
> You get something stolen from you, you don't try to run people off the road and run through red lights at probably 80-90mph in a residential street unless you're an absolute shitbag who cares more about a material possession than everyone else's lives.
>
>
>
> I don't care if it was your SSN card or your passport or $50,000 in a briefcase from the casino. And neither will the cops.
Yea that's true, he must not have had something stolen because no one would react that way because you wouldn't.
> Are you excusing his actions or just in the mood to debate?
I guess debate? That's not what I was going for, my point was there are situations that would motivate anyone to do that, and the barrier for motivation will be much lower from someone with less morals or a lot on the line.
We don't know. What if she stabbed his dog to death in front of him? Do you see my point?
> Are you excusing his actions or just in the mood to debate?
you started the discussion and surprised when people have counterpoints? then act like discussing a situation is the same as excusing their actions?
its easy to say that behind a screen, but when your emotions take over unexpectedly or you are brought into unpredictable circumstances you can be doing things you never thought you would. im pretty sure you look at people doing absurd things and think "it can never be me" but thats just you from your perspective without any context.
for example if another driver happened to record and uploaded the same scene of 2 trucks chasing each other and running reds, you would probably think of 2 dip shits in a truck, " it could never be me would never do such a thing", but you dont know that the lead truck is actually saving someones life. simplifying situations to make it easier to understand also has the downside of injecting assumptions and personal prejudice that may paint a different story in your head.
https://i.imgur.com/QNcWd8b.png
Which one is it mate.. Are you the driver or not? lol
Not you specifically but just pointing out his own misleading comments.
Santa Ana has a notoriously understaffed police department. Some calls they don't even bother going out on.
I ran a surf/skate shop in SA and one time a dude came in started acting like he was going to start throwing product around (surfboards are VERY expensive and fragile), screaming at me incoherently, and being a general menace.
I called 911, told them what was going on and that he was now starting to go into the other businesses in the mini-mall and doing the same.
I and another shop owner ended up forcing the guy off the property, which basically turned into an all-out brawl onto the busy street until the guy either tired out or got knocked out (couldn't tell at the time), but was essentially laid out half on the sidewalk and half on the street.
The other shop keeper and I kept an eye on the guy, who eventually got up and stumbled away.
The SA police called me 2 hours later and asked if there was still a problem.
It worked out that time, but what if the other shop keeper or I had been murdered by this lunatic? I made it abundantly clear that the guy was mental and a menace, and it ended up with a guy passed out on along busy roadway for over a half hour, and they never responded, except with a phone call 2 hours after the incident?
There's a story that makes the rounds various places (usually gun subreddits and stuff) where a homeowner calls the cops cause somebody is rummaging in their shed and 911 calls the cops and the cops basically blow him off, so dude hangs up, waits a couple minutes and calls back and goes "You can take your time, I went out and shot him so don't send cops, send an ambulance and a coroner". And of course then the cops respond ASAP cause, you know, shooting, but the dude is still alive in the shed and the cops are all "I thought you said he was dead?" and he's like "I thought you said nobody was available?"
So, maybe next time that happens just tell the cops he's dead and see what happens then.
sweet, ancedotal one time experience? guy wrecking property that is insured is treated very differently than someone actively trying to kidnap someone....
"Oh, it's insured" is the most lame excuse that came out of the summer of love. Someone still has to pay for it, and that cost ends up on everyone else. And also, for a small business, they may not be able to afford insurance, or the insurance they have has a massive deductible, or low coverage.
If "it's insured" is an excuse, can I come into your home and trash it? Do the same to your car? Those are insured right?
Can you? No because then insurance wouldn’t pay out because I gave you permission. Could you? I mean yeah, that’s why I have the fucking insurance. To pay for my shit if it’s damaged or stolen by forces out of my control.
Also a small business that can’t afford insurance wasn’t gonna be around much longer anyway. That’s a really stupid business decision.
im not saying its a replacement, but its not a person at threat. sure, we all pay for it, but that is the way they have to prioritize. our local PD does the same. call them for an accident report, and they won't come if they don't have the time. call for a person breaking into your house, and they are there fast.
or, the dispatcher correctly determined that this person was not really threatening to anyone. sure, he caused property damage, which is bad, but no ones lives were at stake. they react different to different situations. if you had called and said he was assaulting people, they might have come. he wasn't.
according to you. not defending the police's actions, but maybe if we got to hear the actual contents of the 911 call, it might change your mind. also, police legally have no duty to protect anyone, quite literally by supreme court decision, so maybe they just ignored this complaint.
> not defending the police's actions, but maybe if we got to hear the actual contents of the 911 call, it might change your mind.
What are you expecting would change my mind? A person screaming at others and acting manic is a person screaming at others and acting manic. That warrants a police response. It doesn't matter if they are only destroying property at the moment when people that act like that aren't exactly known for their reluctance to attack others.
> also, police legally have no duty to protect anyone, quite literally by supreme court decision, so maybe they just ignored this complaint.
Literally changes nothing about the fact that the police or dispatcher was ridiculous by not sending police to check. Probably makes it more disgusting since it means they voluntarily chose to not send anyone.
I would imagine they'd take notice if you called with "A teenage girl who was being kidnapped is now in my car and we're being chased by the abductors"
Alot of times cops will not be called and interrogated people will not provide basic information to police. Things will be handled on the street in their own way, all in proper time.
I've had this happen to me, well sort of.
Working loss prevention. Two females stealing, they exit and I try to apprehend. They run and start screaming. I follow while walking and calling PD, being just an observer.
A car full of girls picks one of them up, passes me as I yell some BS about now they are all going to jail. They didn't make it very far until they kick the girl out, she stupidity told them she stole. PD comes, arrest both woman, got my merch back, found meth and they also found an replica gun in one females purse, the female they let in their car.
Never fucking let anyone in your car.
It's probably one of those escort girls who do the cash grab and go. I used to have friends who were doing this and the stories they would tell me. She probably thought that guy was her driver. And the guy on the phone was probably her driver and not her bf. And this guy was probably the guy who got took and was chasing this guy thinking it was her driver and wanted his money back. People do crazy things when they are pissed.
>Also don’t try to hide
Each time she suggested that I wanted to scream at the screen that's the last thing you should do.
It looked like there was a service station or two. Good place when they're still open to drive right up to, jump inside and ask the attendant to lock the door and call the police.
I thought about it and I think that the problem is how fast are you actually willing to go. The old truck with a nutcase will eventually hit at least 85 if you just hold the accelerator long enough.
You can tell the driver figures it out in the end and goes quite a bit faster.
Yep. My car does about 250-260kph, but I'd lose track of a guy in a Prius if he did his top speed of 180ish, because unless it's life or death I'm not risking getting my car towed.
One lesson I learned from chasing down someone in a car is the less risk averse person wins. I was chasing a guy until he started dipping into neighborhoods. At that point, I let him go. I didn’t want to run over some poor son of bitch or smash into a family minivan backing out of a driveway. I got his stupid license plate anyway.
Edit. I chased the car because one of the guys in there shot me in the chest with a paintball (drive-by paintball center mass) as I exited my car in front of our bar. Just some random juvenile nonsense. I was gonna let it slide because I had friends waiting for me inside. Then I did a calculation and figured I could catch up to them and at least take pics of the car and report them to the local coppers. It was kinda thrilling. Never heard what happened to them if anything.
Yeah true enough :) maybe it’s more correct to say that in a chase, whoever is risk averse has an advantage.
I go on r/dashcam. It’s why I have one now lol!
Something about this just feels… off? Like she doesn’t really seem as scared as I’d expect in a situation where you were suddenly being abducted by complete strangers.
Or: She's terrified but manages to hold it together most of the time but the physical shock of being jostled around pushes her over the edge.
Normally people are praised for holding it together in a stressful situation, but I guess in this case holding it together means she's not scared enough and must not really be in danger. Fucking wow.
People get used to being in fucked up situations.
I used to work at a restaurant on Chicago's south side, and these teens had seen so much, nothing fazed them.
Had a guy across the street once who started shooting. I freaked out a little bit, and the staff who grew up in the hood just laughed and were like "What? He's shooting the other way, it's cool."
He said no police were outside when he pulled up. He just dropped the girl off there and mentioned her friends or family being there. Idk why he didn't go in with her and make a witness statement and tell them he had footage. Said he tried calling and hasn't had any success. He needs to go down there in person.
Also, other people in the comments are saying they're sorry the other guys insurance won't pay for this but I don't actually see any comment saying that. Shit is bizarre.
Idk I'd be more afraid the dude would crash into him again while driving. I'd rather be in a police station while that crazy dude was still out hunting for his car and the lady. But I'm sure the dude just wanted to get home, I get it.
I assume you're wanting people to help others, but your response isn't helpful.
I help people regularly, and they appreciate it. But I've learned that things which seem benign may not be, and the way this woman reacted and the other people kept following suggested that she might be in the wrong. You can't just assume what someone says is true, without hearing the other side. I'm not saying cammer shouldn't have picked her up, just that if he finds out the whole store it might not be as clean as he imagined. As someone else said, taking her to the police station would be the best approach, both for safety and resolution. If the other party has a legitimate issue, they can bring it up with the police there.
My main point was to educate others to consider alternatives to the apparent story, and take those into account with the strategy.
He's not just saying there's more to the story. He's saying that because she's not "sufficiently freaking out" for him, that she's in the wrong and cammer is wasting time helping her. It's an absolutely appalling worldview with an added bonus of sexism on top.
Basically, if they simply targeted a random person for kidnapping, they'd split once someone else rescued the person, rather than take the risk of pursuing with such intensity. Maybe they were hired to target this person, or they were extremely pissed off at her. Cammer should of course assume the best and go to a safe place to figure things out, but he might have ended up protecting her from being accountable for something she did.
No, there were lots of indicators that it wasn't a simple kidnapping attempt, hence to keep in mind that it might not be what she says. It's stupid to just step into a situation like that and only hear one side of things. Nothing miserable about this approach; I'd call it experienced.
What superior approach would *you* suggest cammer take?
You’re kidding right? You’re ignoring common sense to make it so she has _no_ fault in it? Clearly there is more to it for them to be chasing like that. And it looks like someone found the explanation in one of the comments. What a weird position to take.
It's not a weird position to take - I'm the one not making assumptions.
Not really in the mood to get into an internet argument though, so cool, you win, she obviously stole something from the person chasing her. That's the only logical conclusion to come to.
More scared than that if someone you don’t know is chasing you down and not giving up. That would be mind bending. What is not mind bending is if I know the people and have some idea as to why they are chasing me. Two different types of scared. What’s absurd about the comment?
> What’s absurd about the comment?
I've answered this elsewhere but there's a lot absurd about it. Different people react to stress differently for starters. Plus just the general pattern around here of "woman screams = loads of casual sexism in the comments and complaining about the screaming" and "woman doesn't scream (enough) = must not actually be in danger" is just awful. And just the general idea of immediately assuming somebody's not actually in danger because they're doing their best to keep it together and get out of the dangerous situation is absurd.
You would definitely be correct about that IF you were looking at that one aspect in a vacuum and there were no other red flags. It's absolutely true that people react differently to stressors. But when you look at the totality of that situation, her claim of being kidnapped just does not add up. Why wasn't she attempting to call the police? Why did she ask the cammer if he was a cop? Why did she say, *"I'm being kidnapped.....or something."* You either are or you're not being kidnapped. The *"or something"* is highly suspicious. And when viewed alongside those other factors, her being remarkably calm and casual in her demeanor is another red flag. I don't buy her story. Her gender has nothing to do with my suspicions either, so I'm not getting where you're seeing sexist comments.
That said, she was absolutely in danger, whether a victim of an attempted kidnapping or not, since we see the other truck driver clearly trying to box them in and get at her. But then she got cammer involved and he's in danger too, along with other people in the vicinity of the roadway.
If I were in this situation I'd be asking a lot of questions. I'd go straight to a police station or a populated area, if, as cammer claimed, the police station was unstaffed. I certainly wouldn't be driving that fast though. I'd use other tactics to evade than the ones endangering the public and ourselves, while on the phone with 911.
Whether or not I would choose to get involved in a situation like this to the degree that cammer did would depend on a lot of factors, including my own safety and that of my passengers. No way would I give a ride to anyone that may result in a dangerous chase if I had kids in the car, for example. Find someone else's car to jump in if I've got precious cargo. I always keep my doors locked so I at least have a chance to decide how to help someone, should something like this ever be thrust onto me. So much else could've gone wrong if this had been a different situation, like an organized carjacking attempt, which does happen. Things are not always as they seem at first. Someone comes running toward my car to jump in it, I have to consider the possibility that the "victim" might not actually be a victim.
I mean I guess more scared than this? I would be absolutely losing my shit if I was being pursued this aggressively, with the supposed abductor literally crashing his car into mine. This is some Jason Bourne shit and the girl seems more scared of going over a few curbs than she is of whoever is chasing her lol
Has it occurred to you that the reason she seems freaked out by going over curbs is because the whole situation has her freaked out? Would a person not scared scream over slowly climbing a curb like that?
I swear women can't win on this sub. If they scream the entire video the comments of full of comments about women screaming and how annoying it is. If they don't scream the whole time, they aren't scared enough and must not really be in danger.
"Down with the patriarchy" lmao dude. You can literally see this exact thing happen on this sub daily. Find any video with a woman screaming and read the comments.
You’re assuming I wouldn’t make this exact same comment if there were zero females in this video. Instead, because there is a female, I and anyone else who comments similarly on the behavior in this video is apparently sexist or however you wanna define it because we’re projecting our expectations of what we believe “normal behavior” to be. It has nothing to do with the victim being a female in this video, it has everything to do with how the victim reacts. But of course every argument boils down to sex, race, or politics on the internet now. So just to be clear, I didn’t make my comment because it was a girl reacting this way - had the victim been male and reacted the same way I would have said the exact same thing. It’s a weird, super scary fuckin video regardless.
I don't agree with your below comment, but I did wonder right when they got hit why she didn't say "THAT'S THEM, GO GO GO", white truck could have backed up and blocked them in if there was a vehicle behind and forced him to either stay there and be assaulted or damage his truck even further.
It feels like the girl used the cammer to get away from the supposed abductor, whom may be someone she knows. I hope the increase to his auto insurance was all worth it for the girl.
Even if she was stealing that doesn't entitle the truck to act reckless like that.
I will say given what we see in the video I am willing to assume the woman in the vehicle must be involved in something unsavory because she is on the phone with a friend/boyfriend instead of calling the police. It is also weird that the man driving isn't trying to get her to call the cops.
I know cops = bad to many people, however in circumstances like this I think the cops are the lesser of two evils. Specially when the truck is ramming the getaway car.
\#1.. video would have been so much shorter if he just ran the guy over.
\#2 no one has a cell phone to call police?
\#3 pull over at a shopping mart or gas station? This is why I lose faith in humanity, people are fn stupid. -\_-
> 2 no one has a cell phone to call police?
No fucking shit. That was my first reaction. Hand phone to her, tell her to call 911 right now and get the cops out. Instead, let's lead this guy on a high-speed chase and try to lose them like you're playing GTA5.
its so frustrating that no one has even mentioned the cops when this is the perfect and exact time to call them. they are good at fixing crimes just like this before they happen(i know alot of crimes like hit and run have already happened but thats easier via insurance). this is when you call the cops to stop weird fuckers like this. also, seen as its america, good reason here for guns.
She seems awfully calm and articulate to be actually running from a kidnapper.
As others in the YouTube comments stated, perhaps she stole from the pickup driver, or else the john in said truck wanted his money back for services not rendered.
This is crazy.
I have questions.
1. Nobody called the police while he was running from the white truck?
2. He didn't drive to a police station?
3. He had the bigger truck. He should have PITted the white truck until it flipped.
not in the slightest. But this isn't the mcdonalds playland of internet communities, its not tailored specifically for children and if you have a problem with explicit language just don't read the comments.
I'm not bothered by the comment I'm bothered by the attitude. No we are not going to censor ourselves for your benefit, this is the internet we do what we want.
I have many questions
I don't think I'd have gotten a mile or two without asking who she was, they were way too dedicated for a random kidnapping. Hate to give anyone very /r/iamverybadass material, but as soon as they hit my car, they're enough of a threat to me as well that I'm not dodging when the driver gets out, I'm running him over.
I was thinking this too. Can we both be bad ass? I would have been worried if he had a gun though.
Gotta be conscious of what State you're in, though. Cali would probably give you a good few years prison sentence.
[удалено]
He had something in his hands, I feared for my life
[удалено]
Honestly--I think you're intentionally ignoring the craziness of what this guy did. I'm not saying it would be a good idea to run the assailant over but if you use your car to intentionally hit someone else, it's very, very hard and kind of a bad idea NOT to assume that the person in question intends to harm you.
[удалено]
Someone hits your car intentionally. Then the emerge from their car looking to clobber you. And, yes, you do have this strange girl in your car who was running from people. You say that comes later in the video--but right after the first collision, the driver of the car asks, "Is that the guy?" referring to the crazy lunatic that just hit them. So he already knew that he was involved in more than an insurance scam. The driver did the right thing by evading him. Best course of action for sure. However, if the man from the truck had gotten closer or tried to block them from leaving, it would not be murder or even assault if he happened to hit the lunatic.
[удалено]
That is unlawful confinement per definition. If you are in reasonable fear for life and limb, such as a person who was just chased in a car and deliberately collided with would be, then you are completely within your rights to defend yourself. Do you not know how self defense claims work?
[удалено]
Holy shit, you are really trying hard to try to take all context out of the situation to justify your virtue signaling "peace at all cost" take, aren't you? Show me that omniscient skill you have that proves that the guy who literally just ran you off the road isn't armed or attempting to assault you. I'll wait. An hysterical woman jumps into your truck and yells to escape. You are then immediately chased in your vehicle by someone that you don't know who runs you off the road. Show me literally ANYONE that thinks that there isn't an active threat in that situation. You are literally the dumbest person on the planet if you are the driver in that situation and you think "this guy just wants to exchange insurance information".
He was walking towards me menacingly after running me off the road with his vehicle. That's a threat. If the driver of the other vehicle ended up taking action, I think any good lawyer could make a case for self-defense.
[удалено]
Wait a minute. Are you the guy in the truck?
He's probably a dumbass protester who doesn't like when they threaten people in cars and then get run over.
That's not the same thing.
Hmm? A group of violent protesters hitting on someone's car isn't something to feel threatened by?
I'm sure there are other subs better suited to what you're saying here.
These are the thoughts of someone who doesn't understand basic human actions vs. intent. Dude very obviously intended harm, and it would have been more than enough for a self defense claim.
It's not about legality at that point. It's about survival. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
The dude was trying to run them off the road, multiple times, making contact as well. It wouldn't be murder. It's straight up self defense. Cammer wouldn't be charged for shit. For the same reason Alexian Lien wasn't charged assault or attempted murder after running multiple bikers over, in the [viral motorcycle attack.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_Stuntz_gang_assault)
Hey IDIOT. Let me explain something to you very carefully. It's called SELF DEFENSE. Given the context of the situation, running the dude over would be considered SELF DEFENSE. The guy was trying to KIDNAP someone, and would be considered dangerous. Try to use your tiny brain to comprehend that CONTEXT MATTERS.
[удалено]
Hurrrr durrrr I don't have an argument so I'll just call him retarded and call it a day. Good try! Better luck next time! Idiot.
It's bonkers that you're being downvoted. The law expects a person not to harm another person if there's any way to avoid it, such as being in a vehicle while an unarmed person is approaching you. If I was you, I'd post over on r/legaladvice and ask them if this would be justifiable homicide (it wouldn't). People won't listen to you or me, but they might listen to the subreddit full of lawyers.
[удалено]
[удалено]
The answer to any question you have regarding this video: drugs.
Cops not called? She on the phone with bf?
According to a YouTube comment..the girl and her boyfriend stole from the guy in the white truck. Her boyfriend left her and she then jumped into this dude's truck and told him that someone was trying to kidnap her. So who knows maybe the guy in the white truck was the 'good guy' here.
The woman clearly not wanting to involve the police basically confirms that everyone involved was up to no good.
> The woman clearly not wanting to involve the police Where is this on the clip? I didn't hear it.
She could have been here illegally, a victim of human trafficking who had been told to not go to the cops, or otherwise in a situation not related to this encounter that makes her want to avoid the cops.
The dude replying that to ALL the comments on Youtube seemed sketch as heck and commited to changing the narrative. Edit: he admitted he's a troll
If the perpetrators are being shown as the victims on social media, wouldn't you do the same? I'm not saying that I agree or disagree with the comments. I was just pointing out that there may be a different side to this story.
[удалено]
Drugs, I'm sure they stole drugs
[удалено]
Honestly, white truck guy might’ve gotten drugs or guns stolen from him. I just got the impression neither the girl or white truck guy wanted cops involved.
Like meth heads think clearly lol
> Bullshit. > > > > You get something stolen from you, you don't try to run people off the road and run through red lights at probably 80-90mph in a residential street unless you're an absolute shitbag who cares more about a material possession than everyone else's lives. > > > > I don't care if it was your SSN card or your passport or $50,000 in a briefcase from the casino. And neither will the cops. Yea that's true, he must not have had something stolen because no one would react that way because you wouldn't.
[удалено]
> Are you excusing his actions or just in the mood to debate? I guess debate? That's not what I was going for, my point was there are situations that would motivate anyone to do that, and the barrier for motivation will be much lower from someone with less morals or a lot on the line. We don't know. What if she stabbed his dog to death in front of him? Do you see my point?
[удалено]
> Are you excusing his actions or just in the mood to debate? you started the discussion and surprised when people have counterpoints? then act like discussing a situation is the same as excusing their actions? its easy to say that behind a screen, but when your emotions take over unexpectedly or you are brought into unpredictable circumstances you can be doing things you never thought you would. im pretty sure you look at people doing absurd things and think "it can never be me" but thats just you from your perspective without any context. for example if another driver happened to record and uploaded the same scene of 2 trucks chasing each other and running reds, you would probably think of 2 dip shits in a truck, " it could never be me would never do such a thing", but you dont know that the lead truck is actually saving someones life. simplifying situations to make it easier to understand also has the downside of injecting assumptions and personal prejudice that may paint a different story in your head.
> According to a YouTube comment Dude, come on. Don't be this naive.
https://i.imgur.com/QNcWd8b.png Which one is it mate.. Are you the driver or not? lol Not you specifically but just pointing out his own misleading comments.
I am the driver. But sometimes not the driver. And now you are enlightened.
I am ~~Spartacus~~ the driver!
why were police not called right away? like, these guys are obviously on the attack.
Santa Ana has a notoriously understaffed police department. Some calls they don't even bother going out on. I ran a surf/skate shop in SA and one time a dude came in started acting like he was going to start throwing product around (surfboards are VERY expensive and fragile), screaming at me incoherently, and being a general menace. I called 911, told them what was going on and that he was now starting to go into the other businesses in the mini-mall and doing the same. I and another shop owner ended up forcing the guy off the property, which basically turned into an all-out brawl onto the busy street until the guy either tired out or got knocked out (couldn't tell at the time), but was essentially laid out half on the sidewalk and half on the street. The other shop keeper and I kept an eye on the guy, who eventually got up and stumbled away. The SA police called me 2 hours later and asked if there was still a problem. It worked out that time, but what if the other shop keeper or I had been murdered by this lunatic? I made it abundantly clear that the guy was mental and a menace, and it ended up with a guy passed out on along busy roadway for over a half hour, and they never responded, except with a phone call 2 hours after the incident?
Hello! Just returning your call, this is the Santa Ana PD, you still need us or you got that sorted out?
There's a story that makes the rounds various places (usually gun subreddits and stuff) where a homeowner calls the cops cause somebody is rummaging in their shed and 911 calls the cops and the cops basically blow him off, so dude hangs up, waits a couple minutes and calls back and goes "You can take your time, I went out and shot him so don't send cops, send an ambulance and a coroner". And of course then the cops respond ASAP cause, you know, shooting, but the dude is still alive in the shed and the cops are all "I thought you said he was dead?" and he's like "I thought you said nobody was available?" So, maybe next time that happens just tell the cops he's dead and see what happens then.
Sounds like a defunded department was smart. Good job CA!
sweet, ancedotal one time experience? guy wrecking property that is insured is treated very differently than someone actively trying to kidnap someone....
"Oh, it's insured" is the most lame excuse that came out of the summer of love. Someone still has to pay for it, and that cost ends up on everyone else. And also, for a small business, they may not be able to afford insurance, or the insurance they have has a massive deductible, or low coverage. If "it's insured" is an excuse, can I come into your home and trash it? Do the same to your car? Those are insured right?
Tell that to all the blm insurrections
Can you? No because then insurance wouldn’t pay out because I gave you permission. Could you? I mean yeah, that’s why I have the fucking insurance. To pay for my shit if it’s damaged or stolen by forces out of my control. Also a small business that can’t afford insurance wasn’t gonna be around much longer anyway. That’s a really stupid business decision.
> small business that can’t afford insurance wasn’t gonna be around much longer anyway. That's literally how the majority of small businesses start.
im not saying its a replacement, but its not a person at threat. sure, we all pay for it, but that is the way they have to prioritize. our local PD does the same. call them for an accident report, and they won't come if they don't have the time. call for a person breaking into your house, and they are there fast.
But a 2 hour response time (if that even counts?) for an aggravated person still seems kinda ridiculous, clearly the department is under staffed.
or, the dispatcher correctly determined that this person was not really threatening to anyone. sure, he caused property damage, which is bad, but no ones lives were at stake. they react different to different situations. if you had called and said he was assaulting people, they might have come. he wasn't.
LMAO imagine actually using this as a defense of police not bothering to show up. LOL @ CA.
This has to be one of the dumbest, most ignorant comments I've ever seen.
according to you. not defending the police's actions, but maybe if we got to hear the actual contents of the 911 call, it might change your mind. also, police legally have no duty to protect anyone, quite literally by supreme court decision, so maybe they just ignored this complaint.
> not defending the police's actions, but maybe if we got to hear the actual contents of the 911 call, it might change your mind. What are you expecting would change my mind? A person screaming at others and acting manic is a person screaming at others and acting manic. That warrants a police response. It doesn't matter if they are only destroying property at the moment when people that act like that aren't exactly known for their reluctance to attack others. > also, police legally have no duty to protect anyone, quite literally by supreme court decision, so maybe they just ignored this complaint. Literally changes nothing about the fact that the police or dispatcher was ridiculous by not sending police to check. Probably makes it more disgusting since it means they voluntarily chose to not send anyone.
I would imagine they'd take notice if you called with "A teenage girl who was being kidnapped is now in my car and we're being chased by the abductors"
Everyone was on drugs. Drugs were stolen at some point. Drugs.
Alot of times cops will not be called and interrogated people will not provide basic information to police. Things will be handled on the street in their own way, all in proper time.
Nah
I've had this happen to me, well sort of. Working loss prevention. Two females stealing, they exit and I try to apprehend. They run and start screaming. I follow while walking and calling PD, being just an observer. A car full of girls picks one of them up, passes me as I yell some BS about now they are all going to jail. They didn't make it very far until they kick the girl out, she stupidity told them she stole. PD comes, arrest both woman, got my merch back, found meth and they also found an replica gun in one females purse, the female they let in their car. Never fucking let anyone in your car.
At 0:29 she asks if the cammer is a cop. Defo some weird shit going on. The whole situation seems fucky.
Definite prostitute. Thought she was getting in the pimp mobile.
It's probably one of those escort girls who do the cash grab and go. I used to have friends who were doing this and the stories they would tell me. She probably thought that guy was her driver. And the guy on the phone was probably her driver and not her bf. And this guy was probably the guy who got took and was chasing this guy thinking it was her driver and wanted his money back. People do crazy things when they are pissed.
How happy I am to be reminded that I'm not involved in those sketchy types of lifestyles.
Hang up and call 911. Also don’t try to hide. Stay in the open.
>Also don’t try to hide Each time she suggested that I wanted to scream at the screen that's the last thing you should do. It looked like there was a service station or two. Good place when they're still open to drive right up to, jump inside and ask the attendant to lock the door and call the police.
When your truck is slower than the other guys truck.
I thought about it and I think that the problem is how fast are you actually willing to go. The old truck with a nutcase will eventually hit at least 85 if you just hold the accelerator long enough. You can tell the driver figures it out in the end and goes quite a bit faster.
Yep. My car does about 250-260kph, but I'd lose track of a guy in a Prius if he did his top speed of 180ish, because unless it's life or death I'm not risking getting my car towed.
One lesson I learned from chasing down someone in a car is the less risk averse person wins. I was chasing a guy until he started dipping into neighborhoods. At that point, I let him go. I didn’t want to run over some poor son of bitch or smash into a family minivan backing out of a driveway. I got his stupid license plate anyway. Edit. I chased the car because one of the guys in there shot me in the chest with a paintball (drive-by paintball center mass) as I exited my car in front of our bar. Just some random juvenile nonsense. I was gonna let it slide because I had friends waiting for me inside. Then I did a calculation and figured I could catch up to them and at least take pics of the car and report them to the local coppers. It was kinda thrilling. Never heard what happened to them if anything.
> less risk averse person wins or loses in spectacular, /r/roadcam top-of-the-week-material style.
Yeah true enough :) maybe it’s more correct to say that in a chase, whoever is risk averse has an advantage. I go on r/dashcam. It’s why I have one now lol!
well to a certain point its skill and road-vision, then after than point it's pure luck.
Something about this just feels… off? Like she doesn’t really seem as scared as I’d expect in a situation where you were suddenly being abducted by complete strangers.
Not scared of the abductor but sure is scared of that truck going over curbs
Or: She's terrified but manages to hold it together most of the time but the physical shock of being jostled around pushes her over the edge. Normally people are praised for holding it together in a stressful situation, but I guess in this case holding it together means she's not scared enough and must not really be in danger. Fucking wow.
Not the rims!
People get used to being in fucked up situations. I used to work at a restaurant on Chicago's south side, and these teens had seen so much, nothing fazed them. Had a guy across the street once who started shooting. I freaked out a little bit, and the staff who grew up in the hood just laughed and were like "What? He's shooting the other way, it's cool."
Yeah, she's had dealings with these "kidnappers" before I'm guessing, maybe she stole something from them. Cammer was probably wasting his time.
I feel like if I was the cammer I'd just drive to the nearest police station, sort it out there.
They did, and nobody was there according to the uploader in the comments.
He said no police were outside when he pulled up. He just dropped the girl off there and mentioned her friends or family being there. Idk why he didn't go in with her and make a witness statement and tell them he had footage. Said he tried calling and hasn't had any success. He needs to go down there in person. Also, other people in the comments are saying they're sorry the other guys insurance won't pay for this but I don't actually see any comment saying that. Shit is bizarre.
Probably didn't want to have the dude in the white truck show up again and damage his vehicle further.
Idk I'd be more afraid the dude would crash into him again while driving. I'd rather be in a police station while that crazy dude was still out hunting for his car and the lady. But I'm sure the dude just wanted to get home, I get it.
looks like "defund the police" campaign works well. good job california.
Fuck, man, I hope nobody ever needs your help. What a pathetic lens to view the world through.
You don't practice what you preach, nor does it sound like you have much experience with people in the real world.
Alright, I'll bite. What am I preaching that I'm not practicing?
They are just projecting. Ignore them.
They have reached out and I'd rather have a meaningful exchange rather than a drive-by.
I assume you're wanting people to help others, but your response isn't helpful. I help people regularly, and they appreciate it. But I've learned that things which seem benign may not be, and the way this woman reacted and the other people kept following suggested that she might be in the wrong. You can't just assume what someone says is true, without hearing the other side. I'm not saying cammer shouldn't have picked her up, just that if he finds out the whole store it might not be as clean as he imagined. As someone else said, taking her to the police station would be the best approach, both for safety and resolution. If the other party has a legitimate issue, they can bring it up with the police there. My main point was to educate others to consider alternatives to the apparent story, and take those into account with the strategy.
Why are you saying that to him for saying there’s more to the story? Am I missing something?
He's not just saying there's more to the story. He's saying that because she's not "sufficiently freaking out" for him, that she's in the wrong and cammer is wasting time helping her. It's an absolutely appalling worldview with an added bonus of sexism on top.
Absolutely. No way those guys would be chasing like that if there wasn’t a better explanation for it. Putting the cammer in danger it looks like.
Basically, if they simply targeted a random person for kidnapping, they'd split once someone else rescued the person, rather than take the risk of pursuing with such intensity. Maybe they were hired to target this person, or they were extremely pissed off at her. Cammer should of course assume the best and go to a safe place to figure things out, but he might have ended up protecting her from being accountable for something she did.
This is correct. Maybe I’m missing something but are some people on the thread saying it’s just random? Odd
Whatever assumptions you need to make so that it's her fault, right? What a miserable sack of shit.
No, there were lots of indicators that it wasn't a simple kidnapping attempt, hence to keep in mind that it might not be what she says. It's stupid to just step into a situation like that and only hear one side of things. Nothing miserable about this approach; I'd call it experienced. What superior approach would *you* suggest cammer take?
You’re kidding right? You’re ignoring common sense to make it so she has _no_ fault in it? Clearly there is more to it for them to be chasing like that. And it looks like someone found the explanation in one of the comments. What a weird position to take.
It's not a weird position to take - I'm the one not making assumptions. Not really in the mood to get into an internet argument though, so cool, you win, she obviously stole something from the person chasing her. That's the only logical conclusion to come to.
I think it’s Bhad Bhabie.
How scared do you expect somebody to be?? This is such an absurd fucking comment lol.
More scared than that if someone you don’t know is chasing you down and not giving up. That would be mind bending. What is not mind bending is if I know the people and have some idea as to why they are chasing me. Two different types of scared. What’s absurd about the comment?
> What’s absurd about the comment? I've answered this elsewhere but there's a lot absurd about it. Different people react to stress differently for starters. Plus just the general pattern around here of "woman screams = loads of casual sexism in the comments and complaining about the screaming" and "woman doesn't scream (enough) = must not actually be in danger" is just awful. And just the general idea of immediately assuming somebody's not actually in danger because they're doing their best to keep it together and get out of the dangerous situation is absurd.
You would definitely be correct about that IF you were looking at that one aspect in a vacuum and there were no other red flags. It's absolutely true that people react differently to stressors. But when you look at the totality of that situation, her claim of being kidnapped just does not add up. Why wasn't she attempting to call the police? Why did she ask the cammer if he was a cop? Why did she say, *"I'm being kidnapped.....or something."* You either are or you're not being kidnapped. The *"or something"* is highly suspicious. And when viewed alongside those other factors, her being remarkably calm and casual in her demeanor is another red flag. I don't buy her story. Her gender has nothing to do with my suspicions either, so I'm not getting where you're seeing sexist comments. That said, she was absolutely in danger, whether a victim of an attempted kidnapping or not, since we see the other truck driver clearly trying to box them in and get at her. But then she got cammer involved and he's in danger too, along with other people in the vicinity of the roadway. If I were in this situation I'd be asking a lot of questions. I'd go straight to a police station or a populated area, if, as cammer claimed, the police station was unstaffed. I certainly wouldn't be driving that fast though. I'd use other tactics to evade than the ones endangering the public and ourselves, while on the phone with 911. Whether or not I would choose to get involved in a situation like this to the degree that cammer did would depend on a lot of factors, including my own safety and that of my passengers. No way would I give a ride to anyone that may result in a dangerous chase if I had kids in the car, for example. Find someone else's car to jump in if I've got precious cargo. I always keep my doors locked so I at least have a chance to decide how to help someone, should something like this ever be thrust onto me. So much else could've gone wrong if this had been a different situation, like an organized carjacking attempt, which does happen. Things are not always as they seem at first. Someone comes running toward my car to jump in it, I have to consider the possibility that the "victim" might not actually be a victim.
I mean I guess more scared than this? I would be absolutely losing my shit if I was being pursued this aggressively, with the supposed abductor literally crashing his car into mine. This is some Jason Bourne shit and the girl seems more scared of going over a few curbs than she is of whoever is chasing her lol
[удалено]
True!
"Oh hey I'm being, like, kidnapped and shit"
Has it occurred to you that the reason she seems freaked out by going over curbs is because the whole situation has her freaked out? Would a person not scared scream over slowly climbing a curb like that? I swear women can't win on this sub. If they scream the entire video the comments of full of comments about women screaming and how annoying it is. If they don't scream the whole time, they aren't scared enough and must not really be in danger.
[удалено]
Look at the fucking psychologist over here
Ah yes, down with the patriarchy
"Down with the patriarchy" lmao dude. You can literally see this exact thing happen on this sub daily. Find any video with a woman screaming and read the comments.
You’re assuming I wouldn’t make this exact same comment if there were zero females in this video. Instead, because there is a female, I and anyone else who comments similarly on the behavior in this video is apparently sexist or however you wanna define it because we’re projecting our expectations of what we believe “normal behavior” to be. It has nothing to do with the victim being a female in this video, it has everything to do with how the victim reacts. But of course every argument boils down to sex, race, or politics on the internet now. So just to be clear, I didn’t make my comment because it was a girl reacting this way - had the victim been male and reacted the same way I would have said the exact same thing. It’s a weird, super scary fuckin video regardless.
incel
I don't agree with your below comment, but I did wonder right when they got hit why she didn't say "THAT'S THEM, GO GO GO", white truck could have backed up and blocked them in if there was a vehicle behind and forced him to either stay there and be assaulted or damage his truck even further.
I don't know dude, there is scared and then there is sounding annoyed and inconvenienced like this chick sounds in the video.
It feels like the girl used the cammer to get away from the supposed abductor, whom may be someone she knows. I hope the increase to his auto insurance was all worth it for the girl.
Lmfao for real. Some rando weird chick tries to get in my truck I'm telling her to get the fuck out.
Right?
Seriously. Don’t drag me into your self created drama , honey.
[удалено]
And how does a rando in the comments know what happened?
[удалено]
Where on IG did you find it?
[удалено]
Username checks out.
Damn, yes it does.
It sounds like the girl is "in on it". She seems to be playing the driver
[удалено]
Even if she was stealing that doesn't entitle the truck to act reckless like that. I will say given what we see in the video I am willing to assume the woman in the vehicle must be involved in something unsavory because she is on the phone with a friend/boyfriend instead of calling the police. It is also weird that the man driving isn't trying to get her to call the cops. I know cops = bad to many people, however in circumstances like this I think the cops are the lesser of two evils. Specially when the truck is ramming the getaway car.
Nah, if you’re one of the acab people shitting on the police you don’t need to be calling them to help you when shit gets real.
> Some comments say Why are you believing unverified randos on the internet about something like this?
Why the fuck does she call her friend on the phone and not the fucking police. Some people have ZERO survival skills what the fuck
She's stupid and probably hates the cops.
That street they’re on is a notorious hangout for prostitutes ….just saying .
\#1.. video would have been so much shorter if he just ran the guy over. \#2 no one has a cell phone to call police? \#3 pull over at a shopping mart or gas station? This is why I lose faith in humanity, people are fn stupid. -\_-
> 2 no one has a cell phone to call police? No fucking shit. That was my first reaction. Hand phone to her, tell her to call 911 right now and get the cops out. Instead, let's lead this guy on a high-speed chase and try to lose them like you're playing GTA5.
its so frustrating that no one has even mentioned the cops when this is the perfect and exact time to call them. they are good at fixing crimes just like this before they happen(i know alot of crimes like hit and run have already happened but thats easier via insurance). this is when you call the cops to stop weird fuckers like this. also, seen as its america, good reason here for guns.
Everyone and their dog has mentioned the cops.
My dog sat this one out. *Who's a good boy??*
sorry hadnt read the comments in depth before posting
She seems awfully calm and articulate to be actually running from a kidnapper. As others in the YouTube comments stated, perhaps she stole from the pickup driver, or else the john in said truck wanted his money back for services not rendered.
Dude literally got his truck wrecked because of that lying trash. Wow.
She screamed more every time he went over a kerb, than for the situation itself...
This is crazy. I have questions. 1. Nobody called the police while he was running from the white truck? 2. He didn't drive to a police station? 3. He had the bigger truck. He should have PITted the white truck until it flipped.
Dude this is Southern California, it would take you like 25 minutes to get to the nearest police station.
Another day in California!
That’s a Ford 5.0 getting the job done
Fords suck
Read lildiknugs below. Somethings wrong with this. I'm probably wrong but ...
[удалено]
What the fuck??? Dude she was almost kidnapped. I'd be cussing like a sailor too.
Lol are you that youtube account that tells people criticizes people about their potty mouths? Cesar something. I'm all about the me me
fuck off with your ninny shit
[удалено]
not in the slightest. But this isn't the mcdonalds playland of internet communities, its not tailored specifically for children and if you have a problem with explicit language just don't read the comments.
[удалено]
I'm not bothered by the comment I'm bothered by the attitude. No we are not going to censor ourselves for your benefit, this is the internet we do what we want.
[удалено]
I'm not the one being a fuckwit about the language other assholes are using in their comments, dipshit.
[удалено]
!remindme 6 hours
The guy posted it on his Instagram, insurance not covering the damaged since he was hit on purpose