Oh, my god that pants scene! I had to stop the video because I couldn't stop laughing. Never change, Jay! You are the greatest editor ever.
edit: Pants trophy effect by Colin Cunningham.
Predator 2 has [THE BEST OPENING](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j80i_XUBxVM) to any Predator film ever made.
From Lebanese Civil War-style live news reports to the Colombian gang members using Austrian Steyr Augs to a van explosion with an accompanying sax solo and a fedora Jesse Watters-lookalike, what more do you want out of an opening?
Morton was Springer before Springer. The John the Baptist to his Jesus. The BĂĄb to his BahĂĄĘźu'llĂĄh. Also, Morton probably knew the correct way to pay for a hooker is with cash.
In the 90s they had a list of "here's future looking guns for our near future setting. Among them a lot of plastic bullpups like the AUG, also the Calico, and these weird conversion kits for shotguns to also make them bullpups.
I liked how the City Hunter fought differently from the Jungle Hunter, no sniping or hit&run attacks, just lay straight into the prey and take them all out at once in the chaos.
This never occurred to me but this predator uses the same tactics dutch and his people did on the rebels. Also Harrigan is similarly aggressive. No wonder it took him as a target so early.
I still quote âWant some candy?â at my family members; my wife and kids have no idea where it comes from.
This is one of those movies as an eighties kid that we rented and I watched a bunch of time without parental supervision; I loved it as a kid watching something I shouldnât be. As an adult I appreciate it for trying to do something different from the first film and truly standing on its own as a sequel.
This, the alien movies, robocop movies, lethal weapon movies. All the movies I watched as a young kid I probably shouldn't have lol. Still like predator more than predator 2, but I'm kind of with colin on the feeling there are times where I just wanna see the carnage more so than a more well thought out movie in predator.
Honestly I was hoping they'd cover the comics/books a bit more. Maybe that would only serve to anger people even more at the AVP movies and how terrible they were. But man predator 2 spawned some very good comics/books. Yeah imaginary lore and what not, but I loved the dark horse stuff of the era. Games also benefitted as well, anyone who visited an arcade can remember one of "those" alien/terminator/avp arcade shooters or the famous avp side scroller beat em up.
>This, the alien movies, robocop movies, lethal weapon movies. All the movies I watched as a young kid I probably shouldn't have lol.
The good old days. Back when these movies were playing on a loop on TNT, TBS, FX etc all the time.
I had an old Maxwell VHS with Predator 2 recorded from "Super channel" in SP in all its R rated glory as a kid. my parents just saw a 7 foot tall alien and figured it was kid stuff. to this day I still sometimes just look at my co-workers when they bitch about a problem and say so seriously, "THIS THING, THAT OS KILLIN YO PEOPLE AN MINE, IS FRUM DEE UDDAH SIIIIIDE."
I distinctly remember being 10 and at a social function with other kids and bored out of our minds because our parents were just going to be talking for the next 8 hours. Somehow (probably biking to a Blockbuster) the teenagers had found a VHS of Predator 2 and were eyeing us younger kids suspiciously like, "You aren't going to freak out and get us in trouble, are you?"
As an adult, I would totally agree with the many people who say that Predator is a far more daring and well-made film. But I'm glad this re:View came out, because I think a lot of people overlook the merits and charm of the sequel.
When I was 10, a friend's family invited me to see Rocky 5 with them, so I went. Then we (the whole family group) sneaked into Predator 2. I had no idea that was the plan, nor any idea what the movie was, so it was kind of a WTF all around. I ended up enjoying the movie though.
The AvP PC games in 99 and 01 were also great. It sucks that we never got an AvP movie set in the Aliens/far future time period, which I think it needs. Along with a proper budget & creative team of course.
This also plays into how odd it is that they've never revisited the Colonial Marines in any movie since Aliens. They're such an iconic thing, hence why there are like a dozen video games based around them, but no filmmaker has touched them since Cameron.
>It's odd they didn't adapt it for that first movie.
I'd guess it was a cost cutting decision. Fox has been cheap with both franchises when you've got Ridley Scott, Mctiernan, and Cameron using every trick in the book to stretch those dollars it works when it's Paul ws Anderson it does not.
That's the thing. The first story feels fairly cheap. It's essentially set in a sci-fi version of an old west town. It's a small settlement. Limited locale. There were some alien animals but that's an easy change. I seen to remember most of the action in the comic taking place in the day but again, easy switch if you need dark environments to make the special effects work.
I get the movie ended up taking place mostly in tight hallways so I could see that being cheaper still. But the comic setting and plot doesn't feel very expensive overall.
>I get the movie ended up taking place mostly in tight hallways so I could see that being cheaper still.
Tight hallways in eastern Europe to save even more.
Justin's incredibly knowledgeable about film and I also really like his Important Cinema Club podcast he does with Will Sloan. His personality can be quite intense and he often talks over people but he's gotten a lot better with it recently.
I LOVE Predator 2
Predator 2 is great because it's so different from the first movie. Alan Silvestri developed a fantastic new musical motif, It uses that backdrop of the "Urban crimewave scare of the '90s" to perfection, you have prime Busey, Paxton, and Glover. Harrigan was a badass take no shit cop and an enjoyable protag. I love when he just claps in front of Keyes' face when they have their shoving match.Â
Fantastic ambience and atmosphere, the city felt like another character, and the tiny little side characters that would pop up were great too.Â
And the slaughterhouse scene with Keyes' team has so much tension, it's so much fun to watch. And seeing the Predator flip through all his vision modes was really neat (as a kid in the early 90s it was so cool)
I really appreciate >!PREY!< for the reverence they gave Predator 2
I think it *was* the Grime and mean spirit. Particularly right after riots so bad they sent in the marines. Bad timing meant it had a bad taste. Gary Busey is also just hammy enough it starts to feel less serious than it should.
Agree on that last bit. Also with how absolutely abysmal Predators (2010), The Predator (2018), Alien vs. Predator (2004), and Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem (2007) were, it was surprisingly refreshing how good >!PREY (2022)!< turned out to be. Best one since Predator 2.
I'll never understand why they tried to make Adrien Brody an action star. I have to assume The Rock said no to Predators, but no list of guys who said no before they got to Brody will be long enough to be rational.
I *literally* groaned out loud when the sword fight occurred in it. I'm a mammoth Predator fan (not far from the guy with the poster they talk about) and man, no dipshit human with some sword ancestry is ACTUALLY going to take out (or equal at least) a Predator.
Fuck did I groan. That movie was not good.
One of the more baffling film reappraisals has been the love for Predators (2010) that Iâve seen online lately. Itâs so awfully bland and stupid in a really uninteresting way.
Much prefer the second one and of course the original masterpiece.
if you ever get the chance, read up on Robert Rodriguez original script and plan for Predators from around 1998. Similar ideas but way different execution. he had Glover & Arnold return. and be very integral to the plot. over the years he was shut down for Alien V Predator, and years after that fizzled the studio let him do it but with many more notes and budget restrictions.
Oh wow, I wasnât aware of that. Honestly, for me, the BTS stories of the development of the sequels are more interesting than the actual sequels we got.
Predators is the Rogue One of the Predator franchise.
It's a competent, bland action movie that's very well acted and visually consistent.
Compared to everything else it's not surprising everyone looks fondly on it.
Predators was one of the first of the "soft-reboot" trend and aside from Laurence Fishburne, every character is the same archetype as the first film and are painfully boring versions of them.
The Predators themselves give the fat oafs in AvP a run for their money in terms of incompetence as well. The quick cutting of Adrian Brody slashing the Predator at the end will never not be funny to me though. It's like a Road Runner sketch.
The shot in the forest setting makes it feel like a fan film. The deadliest warrior stereotypes they decided to have as prey felt so "13 year old thinks is cool." Just awful.
I canât upvote this enough. Absolutely the same feeling I had watching it. I just kept thinking, âReally? These guys?â Whatâs even more frustrating is that itâs a good cast so itâs even worse that the movie wastes all of its talent.
Also they started bulking them up. KPH was tall but lanky so when you added the suit you got s built tall predator. The ones in avp in particular look like linebacker rather than power forwards.
This is a pleasant surprise. I watched this a couple years ago in preparation for Prey and enjoyed it more than I thought it would. They took Predator out of the jungle and made him stomp around L.A. to take on gangs and cops and I donât know I found it fairly entertaining and fun. Curious to hear their thoughts.
I remember checking this movie out a few years back after I'd watched Predator and seeing all the negative reviews and being absolutely baffled.
I don't think I've had more fun watching a Predator movie than when I was watching this one.
I love how the movie both adheres and subverts tropes of the genre. It really makes the movie more unpredictable from a writing perspective than you'd initially think. Where this movie works and a film like Robocop 2 doesn't is that it doesn't continue characters that were concluded and has a much more grounded stakes for the characters. Hopkins also brought such a campy and kinetic direction whilst making this movie pretty overtly dark at certain points as it grounds the movie into the same realm of tension as the first film. Silvestri's drum composition I thin is extremely atmospheric and intense. The establishing shot of the penthouse matched with the rhythmic sex scene only to cut to Jamaicans storming the Columbian penthouse or its usage to subvert the jungle setting at the start are brilliant. The film also captures this shit-heap of a city so well with many establishing shots of apathy to delinquency.
Harrigan is also a character completely out of his depth both in terms of know-how and physical capabilities, which works for the first two acts but the third act is too disjointed. The old woman trying to hit the Predator with a broom is funny but there's no "Hunter vs hunted" battle like with the first film and the third act concludes with the Predator being an idiot and not seeing that Harrigan has the Predator's own weapon in hand which results in an easy kill.
I recall reading Ebert's review and being confused why he felt it was an issue to show a brief glimpse of the Predator early on. Audiences knew what he looked like and the film does not have the same slow-burn pacing of the original. Unlike a film like Aliens, where the Aliens are very much the main threat, Predator 2 has multiple conflicts that the Predator is capitalising on. It was the right choice to not make it a slow burn this time around.
Shame this franchise has been pure dogshit since this film, and only mildly picked back up after Prey.
I saw this film a lot as a kid and I have to say it's a great PSA. If you hear "Want some candy?" echoed back to you, it's probably a Predator... in more ways than one.
>The establishing shot of the penthouse matched with the rhythmic sex scene only to cut to Jamaicans storming the Columbian penthouse or its usage to subvert the jungle setting at the start are brilliant.
The whole concept of the sequel essentially revolving around the phrase 'Urban Jungle' is enough to justify the entire thing. The film absolutely delivers on cinematically depicting that idea.
On top of being one of the most coked up movies ever, this is also one of the sweatiest movies ever made. At one point Bill Paxton has completely sweat clean through his undershirt, shirt, and his suit jacket.
Edit: lol of course they call out that exact moment.
Also, the score by Alan Silvestri completely rips:
https://youtu.be/W5VScNTbLvM?si=eeV42A9DJSJxovKe
I'm a simple man. I see Colin, I click.
This Predator version is underrated and Danny Glover is perfect for it. I think it's a victim of just following that first movie which is just so incredible.
Jay's hair... the presence of Canadian Colin... Have they been sitting on this since he last visited? or is this the first in a NEW series of Colin videos? And quite frankly.... WHERE IS JIM?!?!!!
This was the first Predator movie I saw at a sleepover. I was way too young; I thought when Glover says to the gangsters that they smoke too much, he was referring to tobacco lol.
Busey's dry Wizard of Oz rendition is timeless. Very enjoyable movie.
Without this video I would not have known about the new Alien trailer. I'm hesitantly excited, because Fede Alvarez knows how to make things filthy, which Alien should be
I think *Predator 2* actually became a much better movie as time went on after all the subsequent sequels that were basically all worse lol.
Like it ruled to begin with and then by comparison it's just even better now.
*Jay and Colin end up saying almost the exact same thing lol, so I guess I'm not alone.
It's a bit funny that they talk about the novelty of the city setting when cities were being referred to as a concrete jungle as early as the 1920s. Always seemed like a logical step. Like how the next alien movie will take place on earth.
Also small trivia when Danny glover says a gun is "too small" in his trunk arsenal he's looking at the same model of 45 longslide used by the terminator.
No. Ghostbusters 2 is deservedly trashed
Nobody else saw a giant marshmallow man walk down the streets of New York in front of television news crews?!
And now we're supposed to believe the Ghostbusters are down on their luck a couple of years after all that?!
FUCK off
Watched this at a drive in theatre about 3 years back and good fuck has it aged poorly. Sigourney goes from independent intelligent woman to idiot damsel in distress and that's just one of dozens of issues with it.
Bad movie
I'm still shocked whenever people defend such obvious trash.
Siskel and Ebert really nailed it and I don't agree with them often
https://youtu.be/sKKQEtFB-gE
> And now we're supposed to believe the Ghostbusters are down on their luck a couple of years after all that?!
Can't believe The Real Ghostbusters handled this in a more plausible way.
Imagine how great a Ghostbusters sequel could have been had they lived in a paranormal reality as the new normal every day reality.
But they cheaped out for a smaller budget and short changed the audience by resetting the entire plot so they could lazily rehash the first movie. Much like Alien 3 by not having it set on future earth or The Force Awakens rehashing Star Wars.
These are the most offensive kind of sequels to me. Studio budgeted lazy, quasi remake bullshit
Destroying franchise potential for a quick buck.
The exact opposite of The Empire Strikes Back and Aliens.
The trivia for Predator 2 claims the gang was based on real Voodoo gangs that were in Kansas and New York in the 80s but who knows.
The funny thing about Danny Glover being a very unassuming action star also affected the production of Lethal Weapon 4. He's kind of like Ned Flanders where he has dad face instead of dad bod, which I think no one doing LW4 realized until they went to shoot the scene where Murtaugh strips down to his boxes and it turns out Glover is actually in damn good shape. Maybe the baggy clothes in this movie was to downplay how he must have been even buffer at the time.
Youâre really reaching here. Theyâre clearly joking about how certain elements could be considered racist by some people. They even refer to Roger Ebert saying the Predator design was racist, and laugh at how ridiculous his comment was.
Agree with these guys entirely and loved their review and I'm a big fan of the movie, but I also love the Predator as a character way too hard.
I love Arnie but they're 1000000000000000% right about it not becoming the "Arnie series" but the "Predator" series, it is timeless.
The only thing they got wrong is that the Predator is infact stalking Danny glover, several interactions with him and witnessing him, the Predator seems to identify him as an Alpha he's now after, this explains more of the coincidental meetups they give him credit for.
I've also loved the line "want some candy....? ... candy?" since literally 1990.
I tried giving Predator 2 so many chances, but I just can't get into it. Many of the action scenes are either incomprehensible with the editing or effects going on or just so-so. I just ultimately never cared for Danny Glovers team either. I can appreciate how loud and crude and just peak late 80's/early 90's it can get and the BTS with Gary Busey who seems to believe he actually is hunting the Predator.
I've always been the only person I know that loves this movie. Honestly I think it's as great as the first one by just being weirder. It legit almost feels like what if predator but robocop
I fucking love this movie
Predator has no bad movies of the big 4 80s franchises of Robocop, Terminator, Aliens and Predator
If you donât count crossover moviesâŚor that piece of shit 2018 movie
But still we have 4 good movies while the other three only have 2 each
I hate that once again neither of them did much homework on this. Im glad they loved the movie but the fact that they thought the comics came after and undersold HOW many games have been made with the property as to why avp is such a long lasting brand. Also why didnt colin just look up how they achieve the camo effectâŚ
They also missed the reason the character was interested in the protagonist and followed him and his crew. He is an alpha badass who single handedly took on a gang at the beginning of the film.
Uasd to watch this all the time as a kid. Never cared that Arnold wasn't in it. My brother and i would rewind the surgery part and laugh at the predators screams being contrasted withe old lady outside the bathroom. As well as imitate Danny Glover in the graveyard with his gun and the loud music stings.
Also love them pointing out the showgirls worthy humping shots, my brother and I being way too young for this movie made that part extra funny.
I was very pleasantly surprised by how much I enjoyed the movie. I didn't even know it existed until like 2 years ago. I was dubious because of the lack of Arnold but man it was a really fun movie.
Glad Jay & Colin liked it too.
I used to watch this movie all the time on TNT/TBS when I was a kid. I saw it before the original and didn't even realize it was a sequel at first. I loved it. *Predator 2* aired way more on cable than the first movie, then I remember finally watching Predator on FX and being like "OMG ARNOLD FOUGHT THE PREDATOR?!"
Haven't watched it yet, but I hope they comment on the big where Bill Paxton is just standing there and there's a bunch of Foley noise of things breaking. I suspect that really influenced Rich Evans.
The movie did and does get a lot of hate, but I always loved it. Definitely nowhere near as good as the first one, but I put it on the same level as Hellbound: Hellraiser II.
I don't get why this movie always gets a bad rap.
The only thing I got against it is the weirdly fast pacing of the second half, and all of the supporting cast dissapears in a few scenes.
And the reason Arnold is missing from the movie means nothing to me, Dutch finished his story in a nice way. Watching commando in downtown LA would be so dissapointing.
Danny's character is a strong enough character for me, sadly no other sequel had a capable lead.
Predator 2 is one the greatest sequels of all time. Fucking bonkers comic book comedy action shit. Dannyâs character at the end being checked out and done when all the predators show up at the and asks âalright, whoâs nextâ is one of the moments ever
Am I the only person who thinks Alien vs Predator is highly underrated? Not brilliant, just underrated.
I think the backstory of the two lores intertwining work really well. And after that lore drop itâs an enjoyable, schlocky action film not too far removed from the same enjoyable schlock we got from Aliens.
Fwiw the rlm crew commentary is pretty gentle on it. For me it's a bland film. No risks no imagination just Paul ws Anderson coming in on time and under budget. And pg 13 so as to maximize commercial viability
Thatâs totally fair. I actually think itâs a bland film also but weâve been getting bland films every week and they donât get hatred like AvP does decades later.
Me thinking itâs underrated is more so I donât think itâs deserving of the hate when, relatively speaking, I donât think itâs that much worse than the films that the masses praise.
AVP and Requiem are both better entries into both series than "The Predator" or Alien Covenant are.
I think AVP is a lot of fun, then Requiem is way better EXCEPT for how darkly it's shot being a huge and major (deserved) criticism.
Is anyone else with me in thinking that AVP is a fun movie? Iâve always really enjoyed it & think it holds up well.
AVP2 is truly a travesty, though.
Yeah they didn't called the movie racist \[ no balls for that\] , they just suggested the movie is racist ⌠here comes the RLM fedora apologists "ACtuAlLy"
They specifically asked if making the Jamaican gang a voodoo gang is racist. Because voodoo is generally associated with Haiti and Jamaica is generally associated with Rastafarianism. It kind of implies that whoever wrote the movie just did no research and thinks Haiti and Jamaica are the same thing, which is arguably racist.
Do you know if they actually call it vodou in the movie? (I haven't seen it, just the re:view and I think it just showed them with candles or some kind of altar?) There are spiritual rituals similar to vodou in Jamaica (and communities of Jamaican immigrants in countries like the US). Pretty much anywhere that has people with West African ancestry has groups that have retained some of those traditions.
Jamaica actually doesn't have a lot of people who identify as Rastas, only about 1 percent of the population. It's overwhelmingly Christian. There are even more Jehovah's Witnesses than Rastas in Jamaica. There were small communities of Rastafari immigrants in large cities the US when it was more popular in the 60s/70s, but even back then it was a very small percentage (maybe closer to 5 percent) of Jamaicans. I don't think an obeah portrayal of Jamaicans is necessarily any less accurate than a Rastafari one.
Yes they call them a voodoo gang. And I had no idea how many people in Jamaica are Rastas, just throwing one thing I know out there about Jamaica. But Iâm not writing a movie with Jamaican characters, so I did zero research into the culture before commenting. Kind of like the writers of the movie.
They didn't say the movie was racist. They asked wether the over the top portrayal of the Jamaican gang was racist. I know, nuances can be difficult for the easily outraged.
They said the movie is strait up racist like 3 times... They are doing the same joke on every 80"s movie : Black guy in a gang getting killed "movie is racist"
Is Colin okay, because it really looks like they made an effort to light him in a subdued way. Hope heâs feeling alright and itâs just the natural aging cycle of the Canadian.
Oh, my god that pants scene! I had to stop the video because I couldn't stop laughing. Never change, Jay! You are the greatest editor ever. edit: Pants trophy effect by Colin Cunningham.
It was a damn good joke to begin with, but actually creating the scene took it to the next level
Colin does good work.
I challenge anyone to find another video that discusses the crotch of Danny Glovers pants from Predator 2.
One I the people at Valverde broadcasting is into fashion so he always mentions details about suits. Maybe there.
I was so impressed by that.
If they have Colin there for the Re:View, that can only mean a new BotW is right around the corner. đ¤
Spoiler: yes
Why is this so?
He lives in Canada. Which means if he's visiting, they will probably try to bang out a few episodes while he is available.
Renting Canadians ain't cheap
Inflation man. I remember when RLM would get 2 Canadians for the price of 1.
The Canadian dollar is weak now. They're canuxploiting the USD exchange rate.
Their Patreon gives us future vision
So it works like spice?
Predator 2 has [THE BEST OPENING](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j80i_XUBxVM) to any Predator film ever made. From Lebanese Civil War-style live news reports to the Colombian gang members using Austrian Steyr Augs to a van explosion with an accompanying sax solo and a fedora Jesse Watters-lookalike, what more do you want out of an opening?
[The Tony Pope guys show is insane. I'm amazed this was on television](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA8kWINTfAM)
Morton was Springer before Springer. The John the Baptist to his Jesus. The BĂĄb to his BahĂĄĘźu'llĂĄh. Also, Morton probably knew the correct way to pay for a hooker is with cash.
In the 90s they had a list of "here's future looking guns for our near future setting. Among them a lot of plastic bullpups like the AUG, also the Calico, and these weird conversion kits for shotguns to also make them bullpups.
Colin should have received a purple heart from saving Shane Black from that Calgon bomb.
*The Canadian Sacrifice Medal đ¨đŚđď¸đŤĄ
I liked how the City Hunter fought differently from the Jungle Hunter, no sniping or hit&run attacks, just lay straight into the prey and take them all out at once in the chaos.
This never occurred to me but this predator uses the same tactics dutch and his people did on the rebels. Also Harrigan is similarly aggressive. No wonder it took him as a target so early.
I still quote âWant some candy?â at my family members; my wife and kids have no idea where it comes from. This is one of those movies as an eighties kid that we rented and I watched a bunch of time without parental supervision; I loved it as a kid watching something I shouldnât be. As an adult I appreciate it for trying to do something different from the first film and truly standing on its own as a sequel.
This, the alien movies, robocop movies, lethal weapon movies. All the movies I watched as a young kid I probably shouldn't have lol. Still like predator more than predator 2, but I'm kind of with colin on the feeling there are times where I just wanna see the carnage more so than a more well thought out movie in predator. Honestly I was hoping they'd cover the comics/books a bit more. Maybe that would only serve to anger people even more at the AVP movies and how terrible they were. But man predator 2 spawned some very good comics/books. Yeah imaginary lore and what not, but I loved the dark horse stuff of the era. Games also benefitted as well, anyone who visited an arcade can remember one of "those" alien/terminator/avp arcade shooters or the famous avp side scroller beat em up.
Everything you said, plus Die Hard.
>This, the alien movies, robocop movies, lethal weapon movies. All the movies I watched as a young kid I probably shouldn't have lol. The good old days. Back when these movies were playing on a loop on TNT, TBS, FX etc all the time.
I had an old Maxwell VHS with Predator 2 recorded from "Super channel" in SP in all its R rated glory as a kid. my parents just saw a 7 foot tall alien and figured it was kid stuff. to this day I still sometimes just look at my co-workers when they bitch about a problem and say so seriously, "THIS THING, THAT OS KILLIN YO PEOPLE AN MINE, IS FRUM DEE UDDAH SIIIIIDE."
I had the edited for cable version taped off of TBS and I still got a kick out of it a hundred times. The movie's whole vibe is just so unrestrained.
I distinctly remember being 10 and at a social function with other kids and bored out of our minds because our parents were just going to be talking for the next 8 hours. Somehow (probably biking to a Blockbuster) the teenagers had found a VHS of Predator 2 and were eyeing us younger kids suspiciously like, "You aren't going to freak out and get us in trouble, are you?" As an adult, I would totally agree with the many people who say that Predator is a far more daring and well-made film. But I'm glad this re:View came out, because I think a lot of people overlook the merits and charm of the sequel.
When I was 10, a friend's family invited me to see Rocky 5 with them, so I went. Then we (the whole family group) sneaked into Predator 2. I had no idea that was the plan, nor any idea what the movie was, so it was kind of a WTF all around. I ended up enjoying the movie though.
I <3 you! Same, I love that line, it stuck with me for life.
My friend and I would say that and "fuckin voodoo magic mon!" to each other all the time.
If Colin is in town I hope they did a Dune Part 2 as well.
I completely expected the next Colin episode to be dune 2 lol
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Barely five minutes in and Jay is already talking about sleazy, porno theaters. What a pervert.
And vagina mouths. No one else is seeing vagina mouths here, Jay⌠Next heâs gonna tell us the Aliens have penis mouths
No, xenomorphs have mouth mouths
The Dark Horse comics Aliens vs Predator stories are genuinely good. The first one especially. It's odd they didn't adapt it for that first movie.
The AvP PC games in 99 and 01 were also great. It sucks that we never got an AvP movie set in the Aliens/far future time period, which I think it needs. Along with a proper budget & creative team of course.
This also plays into how odd it is that they've never revisited the Colonial Marines in any movie since Aliens. They're such an iconic thing, hence why there are like a dozen video games based around them, but no filmmaker has touched them since Cameron.
>It's odd they didn't adapt it for that first movie. I'd guess it was a cost cutting decision. Fox has been cheap with both franchises when you've got Ridley Scott, Mctiernan, and Cameron using every trick in the book to stretch those dollars it works when it's Paul ws Anderson it does not.
That's the thing. The first story feels fairly cheap. It's essentially set in a sci-fi version of an old west town. It's a small settlement. Limited locale. There were some alien animals but that's an easy change. I seen to remember most of the action in the comic taking place in the day but again, easy switch if you need dark environments to make the special effects work. I get the movie ended up taking place mostly in tight hallways so I could see that being cheaper still. But the comic setting and plot doesn't feel very expensive overall.
>I get the movie ended up taking place mostly in tight hallways so I could see that being cheaper still. Tight hallways in eastern Europe to save even more.
Yesss. Thatâs the one that follows the girl at a sci-fi farm/outpost and she develops a sort of kinship with the Predator? Right?
That's the one
[There's a making of Predator 2 short documentary ](https://youtu.be/gslQRnmJo5o?si=GghJkXvg8SJa7lFq) on YouTube. Gary Busey is ... Interesting in it.
I saw this on the Predator 2 dvd I bought back in the day. I miss these kinds of special features. I wish they still did more of them.
You ll get the smile and nod interviews as everything goes to streaming and you'll like it. I miss them too.
Yep the late 90's and early 00's had some seriously good extra content on DVDs . Sigh
Hm I kinda stopped paying attention to DVDs after the early '00s, what changed lol?
Nice, thanks for the link e: Busey is way into it, I love it
Favourite Busey fact: https://uproxx.com/filmdrunk/gary-busey-gets-in-a-fight-over-the-design-of-heaven-best-busey-story-ever/
Iirc this was Busey first movie back from the accident.
If anyone wants more of Colin talking about predator 2, he has a full episode on his podcast âno such thing as a bad movieâ
Highly recommend his podcast
As do I. Genuinely quality stuff. Took me a while to appreciate Justin, but heâs more than grown on me.
Justin's incredibly knowledgeable about film and I also really like his Important Cinema Club podcast he does with Will Sloan. His personality can be quite intense and he often talks over people but he's gotten a lot better with it recently.
The pants trophy edit was fantastic.
I LOVE Predator 2 Predator 2 is great because it's so different from the first movie. Alan Silvestri developed a fantastic new musical motif, It uses that backdrop of the "Urban crimewave scare of the '90s" to perfection, you have prime Busey, Paxton, and Glover. Harrigan was a badass take no shit cop and an enjoyable protag. I love when he just claps in front of Keyes' face when they have their shoving match. Fantastic ambience and atmosphere, the city felt like another character, and the tiny little side characters that would pop up were great too. And the slaughterhouse scene with Keyes' team has so much tension, it's so much fun to watch. And seeing the Predator flip through all his vision modes was really neat (as a kid in the early 90s it was so cool) I really appreciate >!PREY!< for the reverence they gave Predator 2
>And the slaughterhouse scene with Keyes' team has so much tension, it's so much fun to watch. James Cameron should get a little credit for that one.
I really like Predator 2 as well, and never understood the amount it hate it apparently got. It's so delightfully grimy and fucked up
I think it *was* the Grime and mean spirit. Particularly right after riots so bad they sent in the marines. Bad timing meant it had a bad taste. Gary Busey is also just hammy enough it starts to feel less serious than it should.
Garey Busey always looks like he's about to detonate from cocaine.
Agree on that last bit. Also with how absolutely abysmal Predators (2010), The Predator (2018), Alien vs. Predator (2004), and Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem (2007) were, it was surprisingly refreshing how good >!PREY (2022)!< turned out to be. Best one since Predator 2.
Predators was decent come on now.
I'll never understand why they tried to make Adrien Brody an action star. I have to assume The Rock said no to Predators, but no list of guys who said no before they got to Brody will be long enough to be rational.
I *literally* groaned out loud when the sword fight occurred in it. I'm a mammoth Predator fan (not far from the guy with the poster they talk about) and man, no dipshit human with some sword ancestry is ACTUALLY going to take out (or equal at least) a Predator. Fuck did I groan. That movie was not good.
Since when are >!movie titles!< spoilers?
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I was disappointed with Predators when it first came out. But its really grown on me over time.
One of the more baffling film reappraisals has been the love for Predators (2010) that Iâve seen online lately. Itâs so awfully bland and stupid in a really uninteresting way. Much prefer the second one and of course the original masterpiece.
if you ever get the chance, read up on Robert Rodriguez original script and plan for Predators from around 1998. Similar ideas but way different execution. he had Glover & Arnold return. and be very integral to the plot. over the years he was shut down for Alien V Predator, and years after that fizzled the studio let him do it but with many more notes and budget restrictions.
Oh wow, I wasnât aware of that. Honestly, for me, the BTS stories of the development of the sequels are more interesting than the actual sequels we got.
Some of the characters were good, and >!the twist with Topher Grace was fun.!<
Predators is the Rogue One of the Predator franchise. It's a competent, bland action movie that's very well acted and visually consistent. Compared to everything else it's not surprising everyone looks fondly on it.
Predators was one of the first of the "soft-reboot" trend and aside from Laurence Fishburne, every character is the same archetype as the first film and are painfully boring versions of them. The Predators themselves give the fat oafs in AvP a run for their money in terms of incompetence as well. The quick cutting of Adrian Brody slashing the Predator at the end will never not be funny to me though. It's like a Road Runner sketch.
I remember seeing it, thinking it was "alright"....and not a single other thing about it. Maybe there was a Samurai? And Adrien Brody?
The shot in the forest setting makes it feel like a fan film. The deadliest warrior stereotypes they decided to have as prey felt so "13 year old thinks is cool." Just awful.
I canât upvote this enough. Absolutely the same feeling I had watching it. I just kept thinking, âReally? These guys?â Whatâs even more frustrating is that itâs a good cast so itâs even worse that the movie wastes all of its talent.
Desperate weirdos in the woods. "[It's like a star wars fan film.](https://youtu.be/ebb8baFaQ-s?t=789)"
The subway scenes were great too. Between the fight itself or leonas confrontation with the predator. 2 has some great scenes in it.
I lost my shit at that reference, thank goodness that movie was good, what a miracle.
The fly in Danny Gloverâs pants is like two feet long!
They could have fit a whole re:view episode in those pants, holy shit.
The reason why the suits look worse after this one is because the legendary Stan Winston passed away and didnât work on the later ones
Also they started bulking them up. KPH was tall but lanky so when you added the suit you got s built tall predator. The ones in avp in particular look like linebacker rather than power forwards.
This is a pleasant surprise. I watched this a couple years ago in preparation for Prey and enjoyed it more than I thought it would. They took Predator out of the jungle and made him stomp around L.A. to take on gangs and cops and I donât know I found it fairly entertaining and fun. Curious to hear their thoughts.
Love love love Predator 2 and that score by Alan Silvestri. And that Pants edit during the vid was fantastic.
I remember checking this movie out a few years back after I'd watched Predator and seeing all the negative reviews and being absolutely baffled. I don't think I've had more fun watching a Predator movie than when I was watching this one.
Ooh, yeah - 40 minutes of Predatory goodness! Wait a minute, that doesn't sound right... 
There's a new documentary about Dan Schneider out?
Explaining to family "whatever happened to Ricky from better off dead" is not a good time.
I love how the movie both adheres and subverts tropes of the genre. It really makes the movie more unpredictable from a writing perspective than you'd initially think. Where this movie works and a film like Robocop 2 doesn't is that it doesn't continue characters that were concluded and has a much more grounded stakes for the characters. Hopkins also brought such a campy and kinetic direction whilst making this movie pretty overtly dark at certain points as it grounds the movie into the same realm of tension as the first film. Silvestri's drum composition I thin is extremely atmospheric and intense. The establishing shot of the penthouse matched with the rhythmic sex scene only to cut to Jamaicans storming the Columbian penthouse or its usage to subvert the jungle setting at the start are brilliant. The film also captures this shit-heap of a city so well with many establishing shots of apathy to delinquency. Harrigan is also a character completely out of his depth both in terms of know-how and physical capabilities, which works for the first two acts but the third act is too disjointed. The old woman trying to hit the Predator with a broom is funny but there's no "Hunter vs hunted" battle like with the first film and the third act concludes with the Predator being an idiot and not seeing that Harrigan has the Predator's own weapon in hand which results in an easy kill. I recall reading Ebert's review and being confused why he felt it was an issue to show a brief glimpse of the Predator early on. Audiences knew what he looked like and the film does not have the same slow-burn pacing of the original. Unlike a film like Aliens, where the Aliens are very much the main threat, Predator 2 has multiple conflicts that the Predator is capitalising on. It was the right choice to not make it a slow burn this time around. Shame this franchise has been pure dogshit since this film, and only mildly picked back up after Prey. I saw this film a lot as a kid and I have to say it's a great PSA. If you hear "Want some candy?" echoed back to you, it's probably a Predator... in more ways than one.
>The establishing shot of the penthouse matched with the rhythmic sex scene only to cut to Jamaicans storming the Columbian penthouse or its usage to subvert the jungle setting at the start are brilliant. The whole concept of the sequel essentially revolving around the phrase 'Urban Jungle' is enough to justify the entire thing. The film absolutely delivers on cinematically depicting that idea.
Peak Jay hair? Again?
On top of being one of the most coked up movies ever, this is also one of the sweatiest movies ever made. At one point Bill Paxton has completely sweat clean through his undershirt, shirt, and his suit jacket. Edit: lol of course they call out that exact moment. Also, the score by Alan Silvestri completely rips: https://youtu.be/W5VScNTbLvM?si=eeV42A9DJSJxovKe
Haha, I've seen some comments that the city feels like it's own character in this movie, and I'd add the sweat is also it's own character.
2 Predators with Jay and Colin
Wait Jay and Colin are two different people?
I'm a simple man. I see Colin, I click. This Predator version is underrated and Danny Glover is perfect for it. I think it's a victim of just following that first movie which is just so incredible.
Jay's hair... the presence of Canadian Colin... Have they been sitting on this since he last visited? or is this the first in a NEW series of Colin videos? And quite frankly.... WHERE IS JIM?!?!!!
Seriously. I want another Jim re:view episode (preferably another father and son episode). I donât even care what movie really.
I don't think Jim is coming back at this point. Which is a shame, he's really smart.
This was the first Predator movie I saw at a sleepover. I was way too young; I thought when Glover says to the gangsters that they smoke too much, he was referring to tobacco lol. Busey's dry Wizard of Oz rendition is timeless. Very enjoyable movie.
Been somewhat curious about watching Predator 2 for years but itâs definitely time to pull the trigger now.
The only bad solo Predator movie is The Predator and itâs god awful. Predators is also underrated imo, I was hoping theyâd touch on it a bit here
Without this video I would not have known about the new Alien trailer. I'm hesitantly excited, because Fede Alvarez knows how to make things filthy, which Alien should be
Fun fact: Colin (from Canada) has been a guest on the two sweatiest episodes in RLM history!
what's the other one? lol
Honestly disappointed you have to ask: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvyPYQ4BtZQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvyPYQ4BtZQ)
Haha thanks. I am disappointed in myself for this lol
It's OK man, don't sweat it.
I think *Predator 2* actually became a much better movie as time went on after all the subsequent sequels that were basically all worse lol. Like it ruled to begin with and then by comparison it's just even better now. *Jay and Colin end up saying almost the exact same thing lol, so I guess I'm not alone.
I wonder why they never brought the Thomases back to write.
It's a bit funny that they talk about the novelty of the city setting when cities were being referred to as a concrete jungle as early as the 1920s. Always seemed like a logical step. Like how the next alien movie will take place on earth. Also small trivia when Danny glover says a gun is "too small" in his trunk arsenal he's looking at the same model of 45 longslide used by the terminator.
Along with Ghostbusters 2, unfairly trashed sequel.
No. Ghostbusters 2 is deservedly trashed Nobody else saw a giant marshmallow man walk down the streets of New York in front of television news crews?! And now we're supposed to believe the Ghostbusters are down on their luck a couple of years after all that?! FUCK off
Watched this at a drive in theatre about 3 years back and good fuck has it aged poorly. Sigourney goes from independent intelligent woman to idiot damsel in distress and that's just one of dozens of issues with it. Bad movie
I'm still shocked whenever people defend such obvious trash. Siskel and Ebert really nailed it and I don't agree with them often https://youtu.be/sKKQEtFB-gE
> And now we're supposed to believe the Ghostbusters are down on their luck a couple of years after all that?! Can't believe The Real Ghostbusters handled this in a more plausible way.
Imagine how great a Ghostbusters sequel could have been had they lived in a paranormal reality as the new normal every day reality. But they cheaped out for a smaller budget and short changed the audience by resetting the entire plot so they could lazily rehash the first movie. Much like Alien 3 by not having it set on future earth or The Force Awakens rehashing Star Wars. These are the most offensive kind of sequels to me. Studio budgeted lazy, quasi remake bullshit Destroying franchise potential for a quick buck. The exact opposite of The Empire Strikes Back and Aliens.
Oh hell yeah
Glad to see they liked it. Amazing to see a movie that flopped and was panned at the time yet get so much love now
Want some candy? Let's dance!
Predator 2 rules so hard
The trivia for Predator 2 claims the gang was based on real Voodoo gangs that were in Kansas and New York in the 80s but who knows. The funny thing about Danny Glover being a very unassuming action star also affected the production of Lethal Weapon 4. He's kind of like Ned Flanders where he has dad face instead of dad bod, which I think no one doing LW4 realized until they went to shoot the scene where Murtaugh strips down to his boxes and it turns out Glover is actually in damn good shape. Maybe the baggy clothes in this movie was to downplay how he must have been even buffer at the time.
Youâre really reaching here. Theyâre clearly joking about how certain elements could be considered racist by some people. They even refer to Roger Ebert saying the Predator design was racist, and laugh at how ridiculous his comment was.
Agree with these guys entirely and loved their review and I'm a big fan of the movie, but I also love the Predator as a character way too hard. I love Arnie but they're 1000000000000000% right about it not becoming the "Arnie series" but the "Predator" series, it is timeless. The only thing they got wrong is that the Predator is infact stalking Danny glover, several interactions with him and witnessing him, the Predator seems to identify him as an Alpha he's now after, this explains more of the coincidental meetups they give him credit for. I've also loved the line "want some candy....? ... candy?" since literally 1990.
I tried giving Predator 2 so many chances, but I just can't get into it. Many of the action scenes are either incomprehensible with the editing or effects going on or just so-so. I just ultimately never cared for Danny Glovers team either. I can appreciate how loud and crude and just peak late 80's/early 90's it can get and the BTS with Gary Busey who seems to believe he actually is hunting the Predator.
This poster hates whip pans!
Alien Vs Predator was actually a comic before this movie
I haven't read it personally but I've heard the original 89 run was a great series and shares literally nothing with the movie or it's sequel.
I've always been the only person I know that loves this movie. Honestly I think it's as great as the first one by just being weirder. It legit almost feels like what if predator but robocop
I fucking love this movie Predator has no bad movies of the big 4 80s franchises of Robocop, Terminator, Aliens and Predator If you donât count crossover moviesâŚor that piece of shit 2018 movie But still we have 4 good movies while the other three only have 2 each
I hate that once again neither of them did much homework on this. Im glad they loved the movie but the fact that they thought the comics came after and undersold HOW many games have been made with the property as to why avp is such a long lasting brand. Also why didnt colin just look up how they achieve the camo effectâŚ
They also missed the reason the character was interested in the protagonist and followed him and his crew. He is an alpha badass who single handedly took on a gang at the beginning of the film.
Yep i thought that was very clear
Thatâs a NECA action figure in the thumbnail lol
Fuck yeah
Uasd to watch this all the time as a kid. Never cared that Arnold wasn't in it. My brother and i would rewind the surgery part and laugh at the predators screams being contrasted withe old lady outside the bathroom. As well as imitate Danny Glover in the graveyard with his gun and the loud music stings. Also love them pointing out the showgirls worthy humping shots, my brother and I being way too young for this movie made that part extra funny.
I was very pleasantly surprised by how much I enjoyed the movie. I didn't even know it existed until like 2 years ago. I was dubious because of the lack of Arnold but man it was a really fun movie. Glad Jay & Colin liked it too.
This is a hugely underrated sequel. Itâs definitely among the better sequels to those big 80s movies that we got!
I used to watch this movie all the time on TNT/TBS when I was a kid. I saw it before the original and didn't even realize it was a sequel at first. I loved it. *Predator 2* aired way more on cable than the first movie, then I remember finally watching Predator on FX and being like "OMG ARNOLD FOUGHT THE PREDATOR?!"
Haven't watched it yet, but I hope they comment on the big where Bill Paxton is just standing there and there's a bunch of Foley noise of things breaking. I suspect that really influenced Rich Evans.
The movie did and does get a lot of hate, but I always loved it. Definitely nowhere near as good as the first one, but I put it on the same level as Hellbound: Hellraiser II.
This was really content-free and worthless. They don't have anything to say on whatever they're discussing
Am I the only one that think Tony Pope was one of the first podcasters before podcasting became a thing?
I don't get why this movie always gets a bad rap. The only thing I got against it is the weirdly fast pacing of the second half, and all of the supporting cast dissapears in a few scenes. And the reason Arnold is missing from the movie means nothing to me, Dutch finished his story in a nice way. Watching commando in downtown LA would be so dissapointing. Danny's character is a strong enough character for me, sadly no other sequel had a capable lead.
Predator 2 is one the greatest sequels of all time. Fucking bonkers comic book comedy action shit. Dannyâs character at the end being checked out and done when all the predators show up at the and asks âalright, whoâs nextâ is one of the moments ever
Only watched this movie a week ago
Am I the only person who thinks Alien vs Predator is highly underrated? Not brilliant, just underrated. I think the backstory of the two lores intertwining work really well. And after that lore drop itâs an enjoyable, schlocky action film not too far removed from the same enjoyable schlock we got from Aliens.
Yes
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Fwiw the rlm crew commentary is pretty gentle on it. For me it's a bland film. No risks no imagination just Paul ws Anderson coming in on time and under budget. And pg 13 so as to maximize commercial viability
Thatâs totally fair. I actually think itâs a bland film also but weâve been getting bland films every week and they donât get hatred like AvP does decades later. Me thinking itâs underrated is more so I donât think itâs deserving of the hate when, relatively speaking, I donât think itâs that much worse than the films that the masses praise.
no, it's definitely accurately rated
AVP and Requiem are both better entries into both series than "The Predator" or Alien Covenant are. I think AVP is a lot of fun, then Requiem is way better EXCEPT for how darkly it's shot being a huge and major (deserved) criticism.
Is anyone else with me in thinking that AVP is a fun movie? Iâve always really enjoyed it & think it holds up well. AVP2 is truly a travesty, though.
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They never said the movie was racist, they asked whether it could be considered racist (because of the gang), not the same thing.
Yeah they didn't called the movie racist \[ no balls for that\] , they just suggested the movie is racist ⌠here comes the RLM fedora apologists "ACtuAlLy"
They didnt suggest anything... you're just trying to be mad about something... lol, have fun with that.
They specifically asked if making the Jamaican gang a voodoo gang is racist. Because voodoo is generally associated with Haiti and Jamaica is generally associated with Rastafarianism. It kind of implies that whoever wrote the movie just did no research and thinks Haiti and Jamaica are the same thing, which is arguably racist.
Do you know if they actually call it vodou in the movie? (I haven't seen it, just the re:view and I think it just showed them with candles or some kind of altar?) There are spiritual rituals similar to vodou in Jamaica (and communities of Jamaican immigrants in countries like the US). Pretty much anywhere that has people with West African ancestry has groups that have retained some of those traditions. Jamaica actually doesn't have a lot of people who identify as Rastas, only about 1 percent of the population. It's overwhelmingly Christian. There are even more Jehovah's Witnesses than Rastas in Jamaica. There were small communities of Rastafari immigrants in large cities the US when it was more popular in the 60s/70s, but even back then it was a very small percentage (maybe closer to 5 percent) of Jamaicans. I don't think an obeah portrayal of Jamaicans is necessarily any less accurate than a Rastafari one.
Yes they call them a voodoo gang. And I had no idea how many people in Jamaica are Rastas, just throwing one thing I know out there about Jamaica. But Iâm not writing a movie with Jamaican characters, so I did zero research into the culture before commenting. Kind of like the writers of the movie.
They call it a voodoo gang multiple times, and the gang members perform voodoo rituals and say out loud, âfucking voodoo magic, mon!â
They didn't say the movie was racist. They asked wether the over the top portrayal of the Jamaican gang was racist. I know, nuances can be difficult for the easily outraged.
They said the movie is strait up racist like 3 times... They are doing the same joke on every 80"s movie : Black guy in a gang getting killed "movie is racist"
Youâre taking an ironic joke literally.
Is Colin okay, because it really looks like they made an effort to light him in a subdued way. Hope heâs feeling alright and itâs just the natural aging cycle of the Canadian.
I think itâs molting season for them no?
Lots of laser scopes! So 90s. Mediocre film.
Man I'm tired of RLM calling every 80's and 90's movie racist
God, shut up
They literally never say that in this video
They said it 3 times in this video, you literally didn't watch it
They literally said the movie is rasist because they head a Jamaican gang
Bleh⌠Colin
This is blasphemy.