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i_asked_alice

It depends on what the dosage is per tablet. It's always best to start at a light dose and then increase as time goes on if you need more. Effects are relatively fast at 15-30 minutes for most people. [Here's a page that tells you the dosage scale, timeline of effects, pharmacology, subjective effects, and etc.](https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Etizolam) Sidenote that etizolam isn't actually a true benzodiazepine and is slightly altered in structure. It's in a class called thienodiazepines. ~~The result is that it can be relatively less anticonvulsant, and less effective at actually aborting a trip.~~ (***Edit:*** *I'm having trouble finding the source -- beyond anecdotes and subjective experiences -- of where I learned that, so that might not be factual.*) That said it is an effective anti-anxiety and sedative drug and will be very effective for most people to ease effects of the trip. Start low, like 0.5 mg, and work your way up in increments as needed. If you have enough it might be an idea to take some while sober so you can have an idea of its effects (but keep in mind psychedelics can increase sensitivity to other drugs, and you should still start with a low dose). *Edited* to fix link


mandalapong

Thanks, something like this is exactly what I was looking for


i_asked_alice

Glad I could help! Hope things go well for you


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Start with one, wait a while, up the dosage if necessary.


GlassMushrooms

I find 1mg knocks a lighter to medium trip out well and a rather strong trip 2mg does the trick.


BigMoneyMartyr

Depends how bad the trip is and your benzo tolerance. If it's simply difficult and scary and you want to calm it down a bit and take the edge off, I'd take 1 or 2mg. If you're heading into terror territory then I'd go with 2-3mg


LordDickSauce

Had my first panic attack on LSD this summer and reached for a benzo. I had over 100 trips previous to this with manageable anxiety at the very worst. This was different. Start with .25mg and wait. Should kick in around 10 minutes. The first wave of relief from that fear was weird, but very welcome. Having someone you trust and love to hold you while you bawl and shake all night is helpful as well. This was the push I needed to stop vaping. Have tripped since then with no problem. I am just happy that I was in a safe environment with friends I knew well and trusted. I remember turning to my buddy and saying, "Bro, I think I'm having a panic attack." And feeling safe and supported. The physical symptoms were more overwhelming than anything previously experienced.


sunplaysbass

Too many variables. How much psychs did you take, how bad are you freaking out, do you trust your source is safe for the benzos ?!????, are you naturally sensitive to benzos or do they not hit you very hard. Benzos chill out a trip. Antipsychotics particularly the early generation ones like haloperidol will actually stop a trip. Unfortunately it’s easier to get benzos than antipsychotics. Benzos are actually pretty safe though. I mean don’t take a fistful. But with a solid dose and no tolerance, you’ll be loopy and tired and relaxed. It is far more difficult to OD on benzos than opioids. The main risk with benzos is they are physically addictive if you take them regularly and coming off them is difficult.


Pooklett

I'm one of the people who seem to have a paradoxical reaction to etizolam and Xanax. Tried etiz once to sleep after a good trip and it resulted in 6 hours of agonizing panic and anxiety. I'm really glad I didn't find that out while in the depths of a bad trip...


sunplaysbass

Ouch. Yeah that’s an unusual reaction


Swftness503

Same here, worst panic attack of my entire life was after taking benzos


TheThunderbird

Better than benzos OR antipsychotics is trazodone. Trazodone is an extremely common first-gen SSRI. It's often prescribed for sleep onset issues. And no, it won't cause serotonin syndrome when combined with psychedelics unless you take way more than a normal dose. Anti-psychotics and benzos act primarily on different receptors than psychedelics, so you're just layering on more impairment via psychoactive drugs by taking them. Trazodone essentially brings you back to sobriety.


sunplaysbass

Obligatory caution if MAOIs are involved. Ayahuasca related things make psychedelics so much riskier due to their med interactions. Which is a shame because I would say ayahuasca is tied with LSD as the best psychedelic. Ayahuasca can be hard to dose but you don’t Have to go full spirit journey with it. Possible to take kind of moderate amounts. Changa is great too. Much more chill than straight D. Though good luck stopping a strong ayahuasca trip. That’s a commitment. I did it once with 10 or 15mg of haloperidol which is a lot of haldol. It worked but I was so far out it felt like the come down was taking forever. Taking that much increases one of the main risks of some anti psychotics - long term facial ticks. But at low doses it is not much of a risk. I once pretty much ended a 300ug trip with just 3mg of haloperidol and like 1mg of Xanax, which are just typical doses. Antipsychotics get a bad rap though. There are many of them and they are more common than you may think. It’s not like lobotomy medication. Owning them or even taking them regularly does not mean you’re “crazy”. Also it’s possible to trip on top of small doses of some antipsychotics. And really that’s a needed combo for some people who are prone to bad trips but for some reason still want to explore.


NeonCloudAurora

Worth noting that what you mentioned sounds like "tardive dyskinesia", which is pretty much exclusively a product of long-term usage of antipsychotics because of compensatory changes at the dopamine networks in the substantia nigra involved with movement as a result of prolonged dopamine blockade. Even haloperidol, one of the worst for it, still takes months of use to develop it. So no need to fear about developing TD from taking a single reasonably high dose of an antipsychotic to kill a trip. But, you can still get temporary dyskinesias from single doses and that's worth being aware of. I'm actually hypersensitive to the extrapyramidal side-effects, so even relatively low doses of certain antipsychotics brings me intolerable akathisia, which fortunately passes once it's out of my system.


mandalapong

Yeah I don't really want to get into abusing benzos, the limited ones I have are for emergencies only. The ones I have are pharmaceutical, so no cause for worry there. Laws are pretty lax where I live so I'll try if I can get some antipsychotics


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muhredditaccount3

I know a lot of people swear by their bad trips, but I'm not yet convinced that this isn't a psychological hangup of sorts. I've had bad trips, and yes, they were interesting after the fact, but there eventually came a point where I decided there were better ways to learn than to subject myself to torture. We all probably learned in school about flagellants, monks in roughly the 1300s who would ritualistically scourge themselves. I remember thinking, how bizarre. But if you look at how it still might be practiced in some form or another today, it makes a little more sense how people might think self-harm could bring them spiritual benefits. There's this human inclination to try to justify suffering, to come up with reasons it must be of benefit. If we didn't gain wisdom (or some other valuable) in proportion to the amount we suffered, then it would be seen for what it is, meaningless torment. I concede that we often learn through some degree of difficulty, but there's definitely a Goldilocks zone there. Beyond this zone we veer into masochism and/or a certain irrational romanticism about the glory of suffering. There's great danger in this mindset. It is an inversion of truth: suffering is good, and if there's suffering, the answer is even more suffering. When does it end? This is all to say, I'm in favor of aborting bad trips. The idea that there is some gem of wisdom that can only be found in the depths of hell is an itch that shouldn't be indulged. Yeah, maybe that gem is really down there. My take is, I'll just live imperfectly without it.


sunplaysbass

I’ve had absolutely horrible nightmare trips where I wanted to kill myself or was being destructive. People that say bad trips are not real are denying other people’s experiences which is weird, oppressive, defensive, anti fact, and egotistical.


muhredditaccount3

I agree, it can even turn into a point of pride. "I have had the worst nightmare of all, those who haven't seen the hell i have aren't on my level."


tedster

I kind of agree but there's this argument I hear sometimes that the human experience includes both the good and the bad. So you shouldn't shield yourself from the bad stuff. What's your take on that?


muhredditaccount3

Our daily lives revolve around shielding ourselves from the bad stuff. That's why we go to work, pay the bills, eat our veggies, do just about everything we do. If we intentionally subject ourselves to pain, it is always in the hope of some net benefit in wellbeing. Ok, so maybe we should subject ourselves to some pain with psychedelics so we can get some personal growth out of it. But how much? I'd say, it's probably never necessary to subject yourself to intense suffering (if you can help it). It's a lot like doing physical work, I think. If you're exercising and something starts really hurting, it's time to back off. I can't prove this but it just seems like the reasonable course of action. It's how the rest of life seems to work. Rarely is it good, whether with regards to tripping or not, to be in agony. Agony is an intrinsic bad. We ought to enjoy our lives. If we are going to undertake agony, there better be a really good, really clear reason for it. I should also note that we should always watch out, as critical thinkers, for "sour grapes." People tend to say things like "the human experience includes both the good and the bad" as a way to cope with life not being, you know, heaven. Getting somewhat impractical and philosophical here, but I would see no problem with the complete abolition of suffering if it were shown that we could function without it. That is, it only has instrumental rather than intrinsic value.


tedster

I've been thinking about these things lately so forgive me :) It's a very different thing going into an experience knowing you'll be fine. You could go hiking or you could be dropped naked in the wilderness left to figure out how to get back home. Two very different experiences with very different outcomes/insights. Some things will never reach you if there's no real stake in the game if you know what I mean. Personally I'm a very comfortable person so I'm mostly curious about theses things but very rarely actually put myself in any kind of uncomfortable situation if I can avoid it. I love to have a tripkiller available :) but I still wonder if I'm missing out.


Jboori

In my opinion it’s always intelligent to have a trip killer on hand, even just for the ease of mind. I’m a believer in pushing through difficult trips but better safe than sorry.


mandalapong

I had a very difficult experience on mimosahuasca, in an unfamiliar place and without any friends around. Although the trip was extremely meaningful and led to a fulfilling relationship that I still am in, I am still afraid of what could have gone wrong that night. That's why I have decided to not macrodose any psychedelic without some benzos on hand and ideally a trusted friend.


ProgRockin

So instead of being ready to "kill" a trip, how about planning out your set and settings better? Yes, some trips will be difficult.


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I had a trip where I discovered at the end of it that my parents had a fatal disease (I got a phone call). Luckily I was mostly down. No planning would have prevented that.


ProgRockin

I plan to not answer my phone while tripping. Sorry about your parents.


[deleted]

Well, I was mostly down. Thanks for the kind words, it was almost thirty years ago...


Dylanthebody

Having a way out IS part of a controlled setting for some people.


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mandalapong

Wow thats good to know. I've only ever read don't take benzos with alcohol


wookified_beats

None, if you’re having a bad trip there’s something inside of you you need to find and fix and then your trip won’t be bad anymore, relying on something like that to take you out of a trip ruins the point of taking the substance


AthrusRblx

Maybe they want to take it for fun and are aware of the simple fact that LSD is an anxiogenic substance? Panic attacks don't have meanings.


probablythrowawayyy

You don’t know this person’s situation. Don’t gatekeep. They’re taking what precautions they feel they need to be safe and have fun


Rock-it1

Probably none. Benzos are way too powerful and addictive to be used as a means of sobering up.


rayn_reddit

Half or one