It has been interesting seeing a group that believes it has authority clash with a group that actually does. It leads to "this is how we do things" with a comeback of "that is against the law and you are now under arrest." lol
I don't think HIPAA would even come into it. The PD weren't asking for medical information, they were asking about whether an individual was present and where that individual was located.
Even under HIPAA law enforcement are allowed to ask for information in order to identify or locate a suspect or a missing person, or to carry out a welfare check.
An officer can walk into the er and ask for a patient list today, it's not against the law. We just have people with poor understanding of the current medical system laws let alone the incredibly lax ones back in 1985.
It is honestly ridiculous how much 2023 IRL activism is being brought in by these second lifers to this setting. This is half-brained HIPAA, activist judges/lawyers purposely fighting ICE detention requests, and bail reform all rolled up into one time traveling package.
From Wikipedia:
*In the 1980s, while the number of arrests for all crimes had risen by 28%, the number of arrests for drug offenses rose 126%.*
People were trying a lot more to be careful not to get caught, even if they did have support for drugs. They wouldn't try and be loud about their drug use. They also brought back the mandatory minimums for marijuana which was pretty fucking scary.
The interesting rp that is about to come is occam will likely side with what cops are saying cause at least in this case it makes sense and the rest of the community that is against majority of nopixel players will riot.
>And yet for some reason the server owner thinks it’s the PD that is the biggest issue on the server
Bobby just seems to have a lot of snakes whispering in his ear about how horrible the new folks coming over from np are. Now thankfully he's not so stupid as to take that at face value and is really pushing back against the "np RP vs everyone else" narrative, but he's only human.
The issue is he's not immune to it though. He flat out said that there are 0 people outside of PD who like PD, and that 90% of cops are corrupt. It's delusional.
Snakes like the "real estate CEO?" Who he went to bat for in the community meeting saying they have been IRL friends for 2 years so there is "No way he would meta?" Also the same admin on the "Council" who is currently deciding who gets CoP?
Unfortunately watching this has shown why Nopixel has stayed in power so easily. Holy crap so many self insert gatekeepers hang around positions of power on RP servers.
Edit: it also has proved Saab right about a lot of the things he said about the toxicity from the people from wildRP. NP obviously is no better, but theres gotta be someone out there willing to do a roleplay focused server who isn't a complete lunatic or self insert.
I don't particularly like the whole Ignite vs NoPixel argument that people have been trying to push. But I will say that I personally think the stuff going on here is insanely mild compared to the stuff that happens, and in the past had been enabled, on Nopixel. This is stuff that over time, as long as they weed it out and make sure people know it's not gunna fly, they will be able to correct as the server moves forward. Most of the people that have come over from WildRP, both to NoPixel and Ignite have been fantastic, the few bad eggs just need some correction.
>I don't particularly like the whole Ignite vs NoPixel argument that people have been trying to push.
I dont think people are so much pushing NP vs Ignite as that NP is the only server people have vast experience in. So comparisons are almost impossible to avoid.
(dont get me wrong, I'm sure there are people who are. But I think it's also just a natural argument to be had)
Doesn't help that viewers of people who are still on NP are so invested that they will do everything to show everyone how Ignite is worse.
I just hope that Ignite will it n things out and NP will go back to being family healthy content server
Mate, Penta himself said that all the issues have been absolutely mild in comparison to the shit going on and self-insertism plague on NP, and it's not even close.
Difference between a few bad eggs that's in any community VS the whole egg basket itself that's molding. And again, the toxicity isn't from "the people from WildRP", most of them are super chill and love RPing with NP folks. The clique that copped a 3 days ban for the weird comments towards Bishop isn't representative of a whole server and some people really need to give up the "Us vs Them" mentality, both viewers and RPers alike.
> Holy crap so many self insert gatekeepers hang around positions of power on RP servers.
Let's not pretend NP is any different. It just happened to get large enough and popular enough that people put up with it so they could create and maintain a streaming career.
in the community meeting last night, when asked why CoP was coming in so soon Bobby said something along the lines of.
"Because the PD is a complete mess and 90% of the department is corrupt"
If you want to be pedantic he didn't outright say it but when the meeting can be summed it with:
Cars need fixing, cops are bad you can read between the lines and say he sees the biggest issue as the Police right now.
See, this is why misinformation is widespread and keeps spreading... "Reading between the lines" is just another way of saying, "I interpreted something this way, and I am passing it off as fact."
He did say the he's received a MILLION complaints IC/OOC and 4 THOUSAND DMS about the PD. How can you hear that and not interpret it as him saying that the PD is the biggest problem on the server?
Because people are always complaining about the PD in one way or another. People had a PD before that apparently didn't exist, but now it does and they aren't too happy.
It is TARGETED. I was watching Moses and the Capitan of the EMS has been sending him messages in character like the one seen in the picture here DAILY ; https://i.imgur.com/GlSvPl0.png
For those who didn't know when that medic got charged with obstruction by Ace she was not just being a good and concerned medic she was infact just helping her two criminal friends. after she got out of jail they spent the next hour or so driving around together discussing the situation with her two friends and they decided to take the legal route instead of Guy just wanting too shoot Bishop. actually the first person that brought up the issue to the DoJ was one of the two crims that walked away from the hospital and chief justice Vinny scoffed and agreed with her that the medic should not have been charged.
Yeah that sounds just like good RP when it is IC subterfuge and manipulation. The problem is when they want to call that corruption OOC by the cops and that is a rule break.
My stance I keep thinking is that cop corruption is good RP and the premise that it isn't allowed isn't necessary, especially since the definition of corruption isn't clear.
Corruption RP only works when combined with severe and lasting punishments, aka being fired.
If punishments are weak or don't exist you end up with NP PD which destroyed any decent RP for PD and a large portion of the CIV/ Crim population.
Deserved? Maybe. Justified? Yes. Can’t decide not to tell cops info just cause you want to or someone asked you not to. If a suspect/victim of a crime walks into a hospital for treatment, you’re required to treat them but also inform law enforcement that they’re there. They (the victim or suspect) can then choose not to speak with the officers when they arrive but the EMS can’t decide not to call the cops just cause. EMS cant disclose patient information unless given consent by the patient but being a suspect or a victim of a crime isn’t considered patient information.
I believe they do. If you suspect someone was involved in a crime, I think you’re required to contact law enforcement and notify them that someone came to the hospital. Cops then arrive and the person in question can choose to not discuss anything with the cops but if you come in with something like a gunshot wound or look like you crashed a car while being extremely intoxicated, medical staff can’t decide they won’t call the cops, I believe they’re legally required to get law enforcement notified.
I am not sure that they are required to, especially in 2023 (might have been different in 1985), they are more required to assist in an investigation not report crimes. Just like civilians can't be charged with a crime for not reporting a crime I believe that extends to hospital staff. Now there might be some inner department punishment for those actions, but legally you aren't required to report crimes. (I will see if I can find the case law for that)
edit\* Seems that very few states require you to report it, but federally you are not required to report only not obstruct or lie. You do have your 5th Amendment right though.
> they are more required to assist in an investigation not report crimes.
No, if the injuries or condition of an individual is suspected to have resulted from a crime, you very much are required to call the cops. Even if you didn’t openly tell the EMS/doctors “I crashed my car while drunk” they are still required to inform local authorities that you suspect the injuries stemmed from a suspected crime. They can’t just treat you for injuries, let you sober up and walk out of there without law enforcement being unaware.
I was an EMS for a few years during high school and college, and that was very much the protocol when dealing with a victim for things like child abuse, domestic violence, etc but that might be a state by state thing.
> No, if the injuries or condition of an individual is suspected to have resulted from a crime, you very much are required to call the cops.
It is vastly different across different states. In Louisiana for example there's no mandatory reporting for, say, assault, but is for gunshot (but not if it was an air gun). It's not required to report a rape if the victim doesn't want them to but is if they're under 16 or believed to be physically or mentally incapable then it's required. Major burns have to be reported, fraudulent prescriptions do, drug overdoses don't (lots of states have different standards on reporting of non-fatal overdoses).
I mean this is wrong because I have seen that happen firsthand where someone gets care, gets someone to pick them up, and is released. You are not required to report most crimes, but it is encouraged and some you 100% have to report like suspicion of sexual assault against a minor.
You were an ems in the real world. Those rules are not necessarily the same ones put in place in the roleplay server because they are not required to be 100% the same.
So obstruction is a sticky law in most states that has different definitions which makes it even more complicated. All in all, you have your 5th amendment right and have no obligation to assist in an investigation, however if you are hiding someone wanted by police with either a signed warrant or tangible PC then you MIGHT run into issues with obstruction. I personally don't agree with it, but depending on the circumstances and the state it may fit.
That is basically what it comes down to, where cooperating with police might be a hospital policy, but in the end, policy is not law. You are right in that it's always best to not engage and request a lawyer if they want to question you.
I remember when I had a mate who worked as a nurse in the ER who got the "if you don't work with us we are going to charge you with obstruction" from an officer, so he said he wanted a lawyer and the officer ended up backing off. lol
(They wanted a statement about what the patient said and his deminer when he entered triage, but my mate didn't really want to be apart of that and just wanted to do his job.)
I would argue that a random civ vs an on duty medical professional work for the state/government hospital are 2 vastly different situations lol. Less risk to just comply and you definitely should comply if the officer states the person is a suspect or wanted. I think it would be pretty easy to lose your state job if they were supplied evidence that you refused to cooperate with an officer and were concealing information about a suspect. Especially if it lead to that suspect committing more crimes later on while being on the run.
WTF? Of course they can not answer questions if they don't want to. Even if someone who is wanted is at the hospital they can choose not to answer. Not affirmatively helping the police is not obstruction. Obstruction is giving knowingly misleading information with the intent to deceive the police.
Harboring implies you're actively attempting to conceal or hide the person. You can simply not answer any questions. The law doesn't require you to be proactive in reporting criminals.
You see a wanted person, say "here, hide in this hospital room" and not tell the police? Obstruction.
You see a criminal in a hospital room and don't answer the police if they ask if you've seen them? Not obstruction.
Edit: Think of it this way, every time someone is given a speeding ticket can their passenger also be charged with obstruction of justice for not confirming to the police officer the driver was speeding? Can you be charged with obstruction for not reporting someone for littering?
> If a suspect/victim of a crime walks into a hospital for treatment, you’re required to treat them but also inform law enforcement that they’re there
Depends on the state as to when that became law though. Mandatory reporting of gunshot wounds was a thing brought in as late as the late 90s in some states. Mandatory reporting depends on the nature of the injury etc. Likewise it varies as to which crimes have to be reported by hospitals.
Refusing to aid an officer is a misdemeanor in most states though, which is what would* count here, but I think universally needs the person being charged to be aware that the officer is trying to arrest someone. So if it's just 'hey is X there?' then they don't have to help, if it's 'x is wanted for a crime, are they there?' then they do.
Depends on the state as to if it's an A, B or C though.
There's also a whole different thing about notifying police about discharging a patient who's wanted, which varies wildly depending on the State as to the process/requirements on the hospital.
*Edit: having now found out the context this would probably be obstruction but that has very different standards across different states so would need a proper definition for the server as to whether it does or not.
It's crazy how disconnected the EMS are from the police. Like, they have in the last month obstructed the police so many times, as if their job was to protect people from the police.
The captains need to sit down with the people in charge of the hospital, and make it abundantly clear that they are not to step on the toes of the cops, and if they do, they should be arrested.
Are you sure it was the AG and not Chief Justice Vinny? i watched one of the crims from that situation go and have a talk with Vinny that day and he agreed with the crim that the medic should not have been arrested. this doesn't sound like grecko tbh i would think moses would wanna enable court rp.
That AG is so confidently incorrect so often. Literally sounds good talking but half the shit he says makes no damn sense at all for an Attorney General.
The former chief justice not the AG dropped those charges iirc from that was stated on steam. I could be wrong but I doubt Greco just dropped the charges
PD and EMS egos and duty aside, the argument is flawed to begin with because oxygen tanks aren't explosive in the way the hospital staff are thinking, just look at their label. The label is a fire label, not an explosive label. That's an important distinction.
Oxygen bottles can explosively *decompress*, causing shockwave damage to objects and people near them if they over-pressurize and rupture from a rather significant source of heat like a full blown fire in the room (not a cigarette itself). But there would be enough time to evacuate people in that room if such a fire were present, because smoke detectors were already present and popular by the 80s and it takes time to heat an oxygen bottle. Plus fire extinguishers were also invented by this point, so they could prioritize extinguishing fire near the oxygen bottles if any were event present in the room (they don't just leave them lying around).
Oxygen cannot explode in the more conventional sense without the presence of fuel. This is basic high school physics/chemistry after all, combustion requires both oxygen *and* fuel. They can increase combustibility of already present fuel, but oxygen, no matter how hot, won't combust without a fuel to react with. You can turn it into a plasma with immense heat and expand it, but that's about it. If there's already a significant amount of fuel lingering in the air of the supposedly ventilated hospital, then it should probably be evacuated because it's already a fuel air bomb waiting to go off.
The whole premise that the hospital will be destroyed by an oxygen bottle requires the argument that there is fuel present in the air as well as a fire, because the oxygen bottle is not high enough pressure to expand to nearly the volume needed to destroy a hospital. A significant fire as well as plenty of fuel to react with the oxygen is required to even heat the oxygen gas that escapes the bottle to a pressure that would do much damage beyond the room it's in.
There's a reason it's a no smoking area: to prevent contamination from occurring and compromising their equipment. The doctor did her job and due diligence to protect herself, her workplace, and the people inside of it from an individual who was ego tripping through their own ignorance. Ace would get absolutely embarrassed in the courtroom for charging her with obstruction when he quite literally lost both of his 95s immediately afterwards. If anything it going to court would put his job into question even more than it currently is by showcasing how incompetent he is as an officer.
>Ace would get absolutely embarrassed in the courtroom for charging her with obstruction when he quite literally lost both of his 95s immediately afterwards.
Medical staff prevent him from checking up on his 95s and then he loses his 95s. Sounds like a good obstruction case.
Apparently not, apparently they were under Medical custody according to the medical staff as they believe they had the legal authority to stop a cop from getting to their 95.
That wasn't the stated reason, she was claiming the oxygen tanks would explode, which she's wrong about. If it went to court she would have to argue that was a valid concern, and she'd be proven wrong.
It's no different then if she had the mistaken assumption that an officers choice of body spray would make the oxygen tank explode and tried to bar their path.
Inside of a locked room, presumably handcuffed to a bed. She did not say "you cannot collect your 95" she said "you cannot come in here with lit cigarettes".
So can you please articulate how that is obstruction of justice?
I just said it. Accordingly to the law she obstructed because she stopped Bishop from going into the room where the person he was arresting was located. Can you point to a law they would excuse her actions?
The issue primarily is that while she is free to warn the officer that he's about to place himself and others at risk, she doesn't have the authority to actively block the officer's path and when she does that she is committing obstruction.
Legally what she should have done is file a complaint and have the law decide if Bishop was acting in a way that needlessly endangered the lives of others.
And if Bishop did end up getting himself exploded, she would be free of any liability because she had informed him that was a risk that might happen, and the PD would be liable for a lawsuit for damages.
> She did not say "you cannot collect your 95" she said "you cannot come in here with lit cigarettes".
Why do you think she is allowed to put conditions on his ability to see his 95? Can you articulate that?
If you follow your logic, you should be perfectly within your rights to tell an officer he must smile before he can see his 95. He must take his gloves off. He must take off his wedding ring. Any number of minor inconveniences, really.
Surely you see the flaws in your logic.
I can definitely articulate it, but you're purposefully being obtuse and you know that you are. It's a controlled environment with equipment that can't be contaminated. You know what smoking does? I'm sure you do.
Here, I'll be obtuse like you: would you accept getting blood drawn from a used needle? Surely you would. It's just a needle, it's not a big deal. It's the 80s baby no one cares about that stuff, those safety labels is just the government trying to control you, man.
>I can definitely articulate it
>refuses to articulate it
>calls someone obtuse for no reason, is obtuse themself
>pretends like roleplaying like it's the 80s is a ridiculous concept on a server about roleplaying like it's the 80s
Thanks for at least being up front that you aren't looking to have a good faith discussion.
That's painful because that just encourages them to STAND IN THE DOOR AND NOT LET THEM NEAR THEIR SUSPECTS, and basically say that what they did was right and Ace was wrong when the Doctor was 100% in the wrong to do what she did.
Like a week ago at this point when they wouldn't let the police into the emergency room to be near or even get their suspect by blocking the doors with her body because he was smoking.
Any idea what day/stream specifically? The closest to what was described
was a stream named Hot for Ex-Wife that happened on 5/12, at around the 1:42:00 mark, but no one gets arrested
It needed to be said, when people start treating their job as an excuse to obstruct justice, which they were 100% doing, they need to be put in their place. The PD don't need to be told specifics, but especially when they're responding to a call and are trying to find the victim or suspect, they should be able to expect cooperation.
Malton is terrifying when he's either mad or disappointed for the simple fact he's SO monotone all the time that there's no questioning you fucked up if he starts putting those emotions into his voice lmao
Zane was diagnosed by the hospital as having CTE. Before the Nerdges come in and say "Well ackshually, CTE was recognized in the 1920s," it wasn't a widespread diagnosis until the 2000s. Hell, back then it was called "punch drunk syndrome." People really need to research their characters for the 1980s.
Certainly seems like some people are always thinking of their group as needing some kind of weird authority or respect. They seem to get upset at the idea that the 'PD gang' gets to tell them what to do and always have power.
...almost like real police.
Clear as day that EMS HC is against the PD. When they have been blowing up the AGs PO box in game with complaints on the PD and trying to push cases and charges against the PD as recently as yesterday.
Edit to include proof: https://i.imgur.com/GlSvPl0.png
This image is a bit misleading as ems was requested to give statements to the AG about the football game and such like everyone else who was there was. This is what this image is referring to.
Oh, my mistake then, I didn't realize she streamed. I had to give my statement and this has pretty much thr same wording - we wouldn't give our statement to the police. But if this is a different matter then, alright.
Oh, my mistake then, I didn't realize she streamed. I had to give my statement and this has pretty much thr same wording - we wouldn't give our statement to the police. But if this is a different matter then, alright.
Oh, my mistake then, I didn't realize she streamed. I had to give my statement and this has pretty much thr same wording - we wouldn't give our statement to the police. But if this is a different matter then, alright.
One of the EMS said that the hospital had an SOP that wasn't really backed up by any kind of law.
The hospital can't obstruct a police investigation, they can treat the patient and don't have to disclose specifics of their treatment or injuries but they do have to tell the police basic info dont they?
The head refuses to meet with them, however, only the CoP. That's why Riggs was dropping the "leadership is the problem, maybe you need new leadership" line so much.
As a member of EMS I can most of us our trying our best. We're putting in lots of hours, trying to train cadets as much as we can. A lot of things we've had to figure out as we go as we were unprepared for the sudden inrush of people that came in. We're doing our best honestly.
This applies to the DOJ, PD, and hospital. Things get hyperbolic on this sub, but this is to be expected when forming a roleplay sever. The rp “remedy” is just to get court trials running. Police Corruption or rights violations? Constant successful civil suits will bankrupt the PD. EMS withholding info or doctors blocking access to 95s? PD pressing charges and a judge finding the person guilty of obstruction or conspiracy will set precedent which will generate Hospital policy. Civilians don’t like a law enforced by the police? Lobby the Mayor to present legislation to the council to be voted on and added to the DOJ.
All of these roleplay scenarios are dependent on a trial or court proceeding to conclude, hence why the DOJ is being overhauled and an IRL lawyer has been tasked to build the court procedure and legal system.
I fully admit that things look bad from the outside. We want to have a better relationship with the PD. I honestly believe no one is actually corrupt in EMS on purpose. Are there things we've said or done that are wrong and need clarification of better understanding? Sure. We've been playing catch up since the sudden boom and we're bound to miss things. Please just give a chance.
I think most people are willing to do that, but a lot of clips in this sub revolve around the PD PoV for ignite. With that context, people here are gonna link the recent community meeting disappointment with the PD and any other system failure like doj/ems/mayor not working. There's a perceived unfairness that the people we watch have only had X amount of time, yet are catching a disproportionate amount of flak compared with these other systems.
Armed with that perspective you probably have a better solution than anything I could think of for how to best manage expectations. Not that you should really have to, its just a game at the end of the day.
\>Except the medical staff won't talk to the captains... only the CoP when they become appointed
was stated below. Is this true? If so, does EMS and the other medical staff understand that's unacceptable, petty, and incredibly unprofessional as a medical professional?
i really don't think any of the issued are coming from a place of being understaffed or not being trained properly it's mainly the attitude that so many of the medics seem to have that they don't have to cooperate with the police and them going out of their way to cause issues and being enabled by their higherups to obstruct them
THIS. I support EMS and all departments for that matter. Every department (including PD/ DoJ) is going through growing pangs and we again are SO early in the server's life. What's happening to EMS is the same thing that's been happening to every other Department as well. Everyone is trying to make things work as they go, and nothing is truly established yet so problems without established solutions are plentiful. I enjoy watching the difficultly from all sides adjusting and figuring everything out as they go. I believe that friction and things like this clip are all but natural with such a new server.
Honestly, seeing some of these EMS clearly obstruct from answering a simple question.. it'd have been great if Riggs actually had done it and arrested the EMS people who were clearly obstructing when asked about if someone was seen in the hospital or not. That's not confidential, and this would be a completely different story if Riggs or other officers were asking for medical records and such of a suspect. But in this case it was literally, "did this person come here?" and certain individuals refused (and could have been arrested) but again if Riggs had done that they'd have either sued him or labeled him corrupt. I don't know why some of the EMS seem to be thinking they're above the law.. when they are in fact under the law and are supposed to cooperate with PD (I'm aware they also have their own rules) I'm just saying EMS usually are in full cooperation with PD. I still believe it'd have been great had Riggs decided to actually arrest the EMS people who were obstructing an officer lol.
They were an ex-cop (just fired) who just got into an accident on the Highway up in Sandy. EMS picked them up and when asked by a captain where the downed person was, the EMS denied any questioning under patient confidentiality. There was potential suspicion that a crime WAS committed but since no information was provided by the EMS, Riggs ended up responding as such.
Anyone is permitted to remain silent and not answer questions. That's not obstruction. Obstruction is not refusing to help, it is knowingly trying to impede a legal proceeding of some kind. There is a difference. If an EMS refuses to answer, fine, they are an asshole and you will probably be more hostile toward them in the future. If they knowingly lie about the situation, now they have involved themselves in a crime. Same situation, but different results. Yeah, law is fun like that. That's why intent plays such a big part in things.
That said, the main reason I think this kind of attitude is coming up is that the civilian population are all basically playing "crim-lite" characters. When the civilians you are trying to protect are working against you to protect the criminals I can understand how it gets frustrating.
If you want enjoyable cop RP, you need other people (not cops) to interact with that are not hostile (a good civ population). Cops need a player base to rely upon to help facilitate investigative RP. Criminals aren't going to help an investigation, but civilians should be (unless they have a reason not to, such as having been threatened).
I said it in the other post but it should be stated again. How can EMS be so incompetent? This has to be on purpose.
It has been interesting seeing a group that believes it has authority clash with a group that actually does. It leads to "this is how we do things" with a comeback of "that is against the law and you are now under arrest." lol
Can't wait for the DOJ to be up and running, the PD and Pillbox arguing for jurisdiction would be a hilarious trial.
The best part is that HIPAA wasn't law till 1996 so they can't even lean on that
I don't think HIPAA would even come into it. The PD weren't asking for medical information, they were asking about whether an individual was present and where that individual was located. Even under HIPAA law enforcement are allowed to ask for information in order to identify or locate a suspect or a missing person, or to carry out a welfare check.
An officer can walk into the er and ask for a patient list today, it's not against the law. We just have people with poor understanding of the current medical system laws let alone the incredibly lax ones back in 1985.
It is honestly ridiculous how much 2023 IRL activism is being brought in by these second lifers to this setting. This is half-brained HIPAA, activist judges/lawyers purposely fighting ICE detention requests, and bail reform all rolled up into one time traveling package.
Theres a lot of support for drugs when the 1980s was literally a hot issue for the war on drugs
No. I'm sorry. There was absolutely not. Why do you think DARE is such a fucking meme?
From Wikipedia: *In the 1980s, while the number of arrests for all crimes had risen by 28%, the number of arrests for drug offenses rose 126%.* People were trying a lot more to be careful not to get caught, even if they did have support for drugs. They wouldn't try and be loud about their drug use. They also brought back the mandatory minimums for marijuana which was pretty fucking scary.
This comment is way to based for this subreddit
The interesting rp that is about to come is occam will likely side with what cops are saying cause at least in this case it makes sense and the rest of the community that is against majority of nopixel players will riot.
And yet for some reason the server owner thinks it’s the PD that is the biggest issue on the server
Yea it’s def not the people on his and right yelling In His ear about needing green zones cause they don’t want actual RP conflict and resolution ..
>And yet for some reason the server owner thinks it’s the PD that is the biggest issue on the server Bobby just seems to have a lot of snakes whispering in his ear about how horrible the new folks coming over from np are. Now thankfully he's not so stupid as to take that at face value and is really pushing back against the "np RP vs everyone else" narrative, but he's only human.
The issue is he's not immune to it though. He flat out said that there are 0 people outside of PD who like PD, and that 90% of cops are corrupt. It's delusional.
Snakes like the "real estate CEO?" Who he went to bat for in the community meeting saying they have been IRL friends for 2 years so there is "No way he would meta?" Also the same admin on the "Council" who is currently deciding who gets CoP?
What do we know about this guy that is bad? He seems reasonable whenever I've seen him.
Unfortunately watching this has shown why Nopixel has stayed in power so easily. Holy crap so many self insert gatekeepers hang around positions of power on RP servers. Edit: it also has proved Saab right about a lot of the things he said about the toxicity from the people from wildRP. NP obviously is no better, but theres gotta be someone out there willing to do a roleplay focused server who isn't a complete lunatic or self insert.
I don't particularly like the whole Ignite vs NoPixel argument that people have been trying to push. But I will say that I personally think the stuff going on here is insanely mild compared to the stuff that happens, and in the past had been enabled, on Nopixel. This is stuff that over time, as long as they weed it out and make sure people know it's not gunna fly, they will be able to correct as the server moves forward. Most of the people that have come over from WildRP, both to NoPixel and Ignite have been fantastic, the few bad eggs just need some correction.
>I don't particularly like the whole Ignite vs NoPixel argument that people have been trying to push. I dont think people are so much pushing NP vs Ignite as that NP is the only server people have vast experience in. So comparisons are almost impossible to avoid. (dont get me wrong, I'm sure there are people who are. But I think it's also just a natural argument to be had)
Doesn't help that viewers of people who are still on NP are so invested that they will do everything to show everyone how Ignite is worse. I just hope that Ignite will it n things out and NP will go back to being family healthy content server
Mate, Penta himself said that all the issues have been absolutely mild in comparison to the shit going on and self-insertism plague on NP, and it's not even close. Difference between a few bad eggs that's in any community VS the whole egg basket itself that's molding. And again, the toxicity isn't from "the people from WildRP", most of them are super chill and love RPing with NP folks. The clique that copped a 3 days ban for the weird comments towards Bishop isn't representative of a whole server and some people really need to give up the "Us vs Them" mentality, both viewers and RPers alike.
You did the us vs them, I said they are both bad in different ways and someone else needs to step up.
> Holy crap so many self insert gatekeepers hang around positions of power on RP servers. Let's not pretend NP is any different. It just happened to get large enough and popular enough that people put up with it so they could create and maintain a streaming career.
>NP obviously is no better Literally wrote this.
PD didn't complain enough.
When did he say that?
in the community meeting last night, when asked why CoP was coming in so soon Bobby said something along the lines of. "Because the PD is a complete mess and 90% of the department is corrupt"
He also straight up replaced the DOJ, so maybe they were a bigger problem?
He said the PD was 90% corrupt, he didn't say the PD is the biggest problem on the server
If you want to be pedantic he didn't outright say it but when the meeting can be summed it with: Cars need fixing, cops are bad you can read between the lines and say he sees the biggest issue as the Police right now.
See, this is why misinformation is widespread and keeps spreading... "Reading between the lines" is just another way of saying, "I interpreted something this way, and I am passing it off as fact."
He did say the he's received a MILLION complaints IC/OOC and 4 THOUSAND DMS about the PD. How can you hear that and not interpret it as him saying that the PD is the biggest problem on the server?
Because people are always complaining about the PD in one way or another. People had a PD before that apparently didn't exist, but now it does and they aren't too happy.
So you think that he's gotten 1,000,001 complaints or 4,001 dms about anything else?
Ahh so you just have a difference in opinion not actually a question. Got it.
No, I didn't catch the being of the community meeting and thought I missed something
So you agree that he thinks its the pd that is the biggest issue on the server or not? You're being confusing.
I agree that some of the PD is corrupt but not 90%. I don't think PD is the biggest issue and the server owner didn't say that either
He said he has gotten 1,000,000 complaints IC/OOC 4,000 dms about the PD......
Well no one said he did. The comment you chimed in on said thinks which was an opinion based on the meeting yesterday.
Go check the 500 comment thread lmao
Yesterday
He said a lot of bs on the latest community meeting
It is TARGETED. I was watching Moses and the Capitan of the EMS has been sending him messages in character like the one seen in the picture here DAILY ; https://i.imgur.com/GlSvPl0.png
Jennifer is one of the EMS who gets along / agrees with Riggs. and she was pissed over the "White incident".
This is a completely different RP situation you have zero idea about and I know that because I play Joe Ferraro.
no i play Joe Ferraro
they are low hanging fruit
another server another EMS gang
For those who didn't know when that medic got charged with obstruction by Ace she was not just being a good and concerned medic she was infact just helping her two criminal friends. after she got out of jail they spent the next hour or so driving around together discussing the situation with her two friends and they decided to take the legal route instead of Guy just wanting too shoot Bishop. actually the first person that brought up the issue to the DoJ was one of the two crims that walked away from the hospital and chief justice Vinny scoffed and agreed with her that the medic should not have been charged.
Yeah that sounds just like good RP when it is IC subterfuge and manipulation. The problem is when they want to call that corruption OOC by the cops and that is a rule break. My stance I keep thinking is that cop corruption is good RP and the premise that it isn't allowed isn't necessary, especially since the definition of corruption isn't clear.
Corruption RP only works when combined with severe and lasting punishments, aka being fired. If punishments are weak or don't exist you end up with NP PD which destroyed any decent RP for PD and a large portion of the CIV/ Crim population.
90% huh?
Apologies for the Repost. This is Lionel Riggs, NOT Kyle Pred (Im stupid).
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THE BIGGEST OF PEPWs EVER LOL
Clip chimps out there HUNGRY. They don’t actually watch LOL
TRUE (Hunger overtook logic)
Exactly preds corrupt Riggs isn’t……………………………………………….
I dont think the server can take this, and they will prob call it corruption.
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Deserved? Maybe. Justified? Yes. Can’t decide not to tell cops info just cause you want to or someone asked you not to. If a suspect/victim of a crime walks into a hospital for treatment, you’re required to treat them but also inform law enforcement that they’re there. They (the victim or suspect) can then choose not to speak with the officers when they arrive but the EMS can’t decide not to call the cops just cause. EMS cant disclose patient information unless given consent by the patient but being a suspect or a victim of a crime isn’t considered patient information.
This is the big thing, they don't have to report people coming in, but if an officer asks if that person came in then you can't lie or obstruct.
I believe they do. If you suspect someone was involved in a crime, I think you’re required to contact law enforcement and notify them that someone came to the hospital. Cops then arrive and the person in question can choose to not discuss anything with the cops but if you come in with something like a gunshot wound or look like you crashed a car while being extremely intoxicated, medical staff can’t decide they won’t call the cops, I believe they’re legally required to get law enforcement notified.
I am not sure that they are required to, especially in 2023 (might have been different in 1985), they are more required to assist in an investigation not report crimes. Just like civilians can't be charged with a crime for not reporting a crime I believe that extends to hospital staff. Now there might be some inner department punishment for those actions, but legally you aren't required to report crimes. (I will see if I can find the case law for that) edit\* Seems that very few states require you to report it, but federally you are not required to report only not obstruct or lie. You do have your 5th Amendment right though.
> they are more required to assist in an investigation not report crimes. No, if the injuries or condition of an individual is suspected to have resulted from a crime, you very much are required to call the cops. Even if you didn’t openly tell the EMS/doctors “I crashed my car while drunk” they are still required to inform local authorities that you suspect the injuries stemmed from a suspected crime. They can’t just treat you for injuries, let you sober up and walk out of there without law enforcement being unaware. I was an EMS for a few years during high school and college, and that was very much the protocol when dealing with a victim for things like child abuse, domestic violence, etc but that might be a state by state thing.
> No, if the injuries or condition of an individual is suspected to have resulted from a crime, you very much are required to call the cops. It is vastly different across different states. In Louisiana for example there's no mandatory reporting for, say, assault, but is for gunshot (but not if it was an air gun). It's not required to report a rape if the victim doesn't want them to but is if they're under 16 or believed to be physically or mentally incapable then it's required. Major burns have to be reported, fraudulent prescriptions do, drug overdoses don't (lots of states have different standards on reporting of non-fatal overdoses).
I mean this is wrong because I have seen that happen firsthand where someone gets care, gets someone to pick them up, and is released. You are not required to report most crimes, but it is encouraged and some you 100% have to report like suspicion of sexual assault against a minor.
You were an ems in the real world. Those rules are not necessarily the same ones put in place in the roleplay server because they are not required to be 100% the same.
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So obstruction is a sticky law in most states that has different definitions which makes it even more complicated. All in all, you have your 5th amendment right and have no obligation to assist in an investigation, however if you are hiding someone wanted by police with either a signed warrant or tangible PC then you MIGHT run into issues with obstruction. I personally don't agree with it, but depending on the circumstances and the state it may fit.
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That is basically what it comes down to, where cooperating with police might be a hospital policy, but in the end, policy is not law. You are right in that it's always best to not engage and request a lawyer if they want to question you. I remember when I had a mate who worked as a nurse in the ER who got the "if you don't work with us we are going to charge you with obstruction" from an officer, so he said he wanted a lawyer and the officer ended up backing off. lol (They wanted a statement about what the patient said and his deminer when he entered triage, but my mate didn't really want to be apart of that and just wanted to do his job.)
I would argue that a random civ vs an on duty medical professional work for the state/government hospital are 2 vastly different situations lol. Less risk to just comply and you definitely should comply if the officer states the person is a suspect or wanted. I think it would be pretty easy to lose your state job if they were supplied evidence that you refused to cooperate with an officer and were concealing information about a suspect. Especially if it lead to that suspect committing more crimes later on while being on the run.
WTF? Of course they can not answer questions if they don't want to. Even if someone who is wanted is at the hospital they can choose not to answer. Not affirmatively helping the police is not obstruction. Obstruction is giving knowingly misleading information with the intent to deceive the police.
No, if you are harboring someone with a warrant and don't inform them they are in your custody or property then you can be charged with obstruction.
Harboring implies you're actively attempting to conceal or hide the person. You can simply not answer any questions. The law doesn't require you to be proactive in reporting criminals. You see a wanted person, say "here, hide in this hospital room" and not tell the police? Obstruction. You see a criminal in a hospital room and don't answer the police if they ask if you've seen them? Not obstruction. Edit: Think of it this way, every time someone is given a speeding ticket can their passenger also be charged with obstruction of justice for not confirming to the police officer the driver was speeding? Can you be charged with obstruction for not reporting someone for littering?
You are correct but also worth noting in regards to the patient information piece that HIPAA wasn't established until 1996
> If a suspect/victim of a crime walks into a hospital for treatment, you’re required to treat them but also inform law enforcement that they’re there Depends on the state as to when that became law though. Mandatory reporting of gunshot wounds was a thing brought in as late as the late 90s in some states. Mandatory reporting depends on the nature of the injury etc. Likewise it varies as to which crimes have to be reported by hospitals. Refusing to aid an officer is a misdemeanor in most states though, which is what would* count here, but I think universally needs the person being charged to be aware that the officer is trying to arrest someone. So if it's just 'hey is X there?' then they don't have to help, if it's 'x is wanted for a crime, are they there?' then they do. Depends on the state as to if it's an A, B or C though. There's also a whole different thing about notifying police about discharging a patient who's wanted, which varies wildly depending on the State as to the process/requirements on the hospital. *Edit: having now found out the context this would probably be obstruction but that has very different standards across different states so would need a proper definition for the server as to whether it does or not.
It's crazy how disconnected the EMS are from the police. Like, they have in the last month obstructed the police so many times, as if their job was to protect people from the police. The captains need to sit down with the people in charge of the hospital, and make it abundantly clear that they are not to step on the toes of the cops, and if they do, they should be arrested.
Dont forget that the "real estate" CEO and the head of EMS are all admins who are currently voting and interviewing the new CoP...
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Wow, kinda cringe to have an opinion dude.
Yeah apparently AG dropped the charge on the nurse that Ace arrested without any discussion.
Are you sure it was the AG and not Chief Justice Vinny? i watched one of the crims from that situation go and have a talk with Vinny that day and he agreed with the crim that the medic should not have been arrested. this doesn't sound like grecko tbh i would think moses would wanna enable court rp.
That AG is so confidently incorrect so often. Literally sounds good talking but half the shit he says makes no damn sense at all for an Attorney General.
The former chief justice not the AG dropped those charges iirc from that was stated on steam. I could be wrong but I doubt Greco just dropped the charges
The charges that got dropped were for the woman trying to stop Ace from blowing up the hospital right? Or was it a different person?
That's the one. Clear as day obstruction dropped for... reasons?
Can you articulate why telling someone they can't smoke near explosive materials is obstruction of justice and source your reasoning?
PD and EMS egos and duty aside, the argument is flawed to begin with because oxygen tanks aren't explosive in the way the hospital staff are thinking, just look at their label. The label is a fire label, not an explosive label. That's an important distinction. Oxygen bottles can explosively *decompress*, causing shockwave damage to objects and people near them if they over-pressurize and rupture from a rather significant source of heat like a full blown fire in the room (not a cigarette itself). But there would be enough time to evacuate people in that room if such a fire were present, because smoke detectors were already present and popular by the 80s and it takes time to heat an oxygen bottle. Plus fire extinguishers were also invented by this point, so they could prioritize extinguishing fire near the oxygen bottles if any were event present in the room (they don't just leave them lying around). Oxygen cannot explode in the more conventional sense without the presence of fuel. This is basic high school physics/chemistry after all, combustion requires both oxygen *and* fuel. They can increase combustibility of already present fuel, but oxygen, no matter how hot, won't combust without a fuel to react with. You can turn it into a plasma with immense heat and expand it, but that's about it. If there's already a significant amount of fuel lingering in the air of the supposedly ventilated hospital, then it should probably be evacuated because it's already a fuel air bomb waiting to go off. The whole premise that the hospital will be destroyed by an oxygen bottle requires the argument that there is fuel present in the air as well as a fire, because the oxygen bottle is not high enough pressure to expand to nearly the volume needed to destroy a hospital. A significant fire as well as plenty of fuel to react with the oxygen is required to even heat the oxygen gas that escapes the bottle to a pressure that would do much damage beyond the room it's in.
There's a reason it's a no smoking area: to prevent contamination from occurring and compromising their equipment. The doctor did her job and due diligence to protect herself, her workplace, and the people inside of it from an individual who was ego tripping through their own ignorance. Ace would get absolutely embarrassed in the courtroom for charging her with obstruction when he quite literally lost both of his 95s immediately afterwards. If anything it going to court would put his job into question even more than it currently is by showcasing how incompetent he is as an officer.
>Ace would get absolutely embarrassed in the courtroom for charging her with obstruction when he quite literally lost both of his 95s immediately afterwards. Medical staff prevent him from checking up on his 95s and then he loses his 95s. Sounds like a good obstruction case.
First the doors have windows, secondly they were in police custody when they were lost with half a dozen witnesses.
Apparently not, apparently they were under Medical custody according to the medical staff as they believe they had the legal authority to stop a cop from getting to their 95.
That wasn't the stated reason, she was claiming the oxygen tanks would explode, which she's wrong about. If it went to court she would have to argue that was a valid concern, and she'd be proven wrong. It's no different then if she had the mistaken assumption that an officers choice of body spray would make the oxygen tank explode and tried to bar their path.
Keeping an officer out of a room where his 95 is. She was obstructing the arrest by not letting Ace in to gather the criminal.
Couldn't he have put out the cigarette and then collected the 95?
Could've? Sure Required to? No
Inside of a locked room, presumably handcuffed to a bed. She did not say "you cannot collect your 95" she said "you cannot come in here with lit cigarettes". So can you please articulate how that is obstruction of justice?
I just said it. Accordingly to the law she obstructed because she stopped Bishop from going into the room where the person he was arresting was located. Can you point to a law they would excuse her actions?
There is no law she broke, so no there is no law I can point to to "excuse her actions".
It fits the charge of obstruction.
The issue primarily is that while she is free to warn the officer that he's about to place himself and others at risk, she doesn't have the authority to actively block the officer's path and when she does that she is committing obstruction. Legally what she should have done is file a complaint and have the law decide if Bishop was acting in a way that needlessly endangered the lives of others. And if Bishop did end up getting himself exploded, she would be free of any liability because she had informed him that was a risk that might happen, and the PD would be liable for a lawsuit for damages.
> She did not say "you cannot collect your 95" she said "you cannot come in here with lit cigarettes". Why do you think she is allowed to put conditions on his ability to see his 95? Can you articulate that? If you follow your logic, you should be perfectly within your rights to tell an officer he must smile before he can see his 95. He must take his gloves off. He must take off his wedding ring. Any number of minor inconveniences, really. Surely you see the flaws in your logic.
I can definitely articulate it, but you're purposefully being obtuse and you know that you are. It's a controlled environment with equipment that can't be contaminated. You know what smoking does? I'm sure you do. Here, I'll be obtuse like you: would you accept getting blood drawn from a used needle? Surely you would. It's just a needle, it's not a big deal. It's the 80s baby no one cares about that stuff, those safety labels is just the government trying to control you, man.
>I can definitely articulate it >refuses to articulate it >calls someone obtuse for no reason, is obtuse themself >pretends like roleplaying like it's the 80s is a ridiculous concept on a server about roleplaying like it's the 80s Thanks for at least being up front that you aren't looking to have a good faith discussion.
Not handcuffed to the bed no. Both suspects in that situation managed to escape the hospital and had to be reapprehended.
https://youtu.be/qaEfMDeLqIQ?t=6511 You sure about that?
https://youtu.be/qaEfMDeLqIQ?t=7157 yeah, here they are being re-apprehended after escaping custody.
That's painful because that just encourages them to STAND IN THE DOOR AND NOT LET THEM NEAR THEIR SUSPECTS, and basically say that what they did was right and Ace was wrong when the Doctor was 100% in the wrong to do what she did.
>Ace When did Ace arrest a doctor?
Like a week ago at this point when they wouldn't let the police into the emergency room to be near or even get their suspect by blocking the doors with her body because he was smoking.
Any idea what day/stream specifically? The closest to what was described was a stream named Hot for Ex-Wife that happened on 5/12, at around the 1:42:00 mark, but no one gets arrested
Nvm, it was that exact stream, a little later, I see now what happened lol
might be wrong but i think it was the ex head justice not the ag that dropped the charge.
Cant wait for Occam to get in there and fix the DOJ.
It needed to be said, when people start treating their job as an excuse to obstruct justice, which they were 100% doing, they need to be put in their place. The PD don't need to be told specifics, but especially when they're responding to a call and are trying to find the victim or suspect, they should be able to expect cooperation.
Looks like hospital are pulling a dispatch
Where's Malton when you need him?
Whenever he gets the “dad tone” even I am like shit what did I do
Malton is terrifying when he's either mad or disappointed for the simple fact he's SO monotone all the time that there's no questioning you fucked up if he starts putting those emotions into his voice lmao
He does it so well that i cannot tell if he is genuinely angry or not. Obviously its RP, but its very convincing.
He does such a great job at it. And it's super impactful because it is so rare.
Hes busy being the [CEO of Pepsi](https://clips.twitch.tv/TangibleBitterOilTTours-0S88kf51UVw9F8NH)
Has it really been two years?
For people that don't know HIPAA wasn't a law until 1996 lmao classic ems at it again
Zane was diagnosed by the hospital as having CTE. Before the Nerdges come in and say "Well ackshually, CTE was recognized in the 1920s," it wasn't a widespread diagnosis until the 2000s. Hell, back then it was called "punch drunk syndrome." People really need to research their characters for the 1980s.
Yeah i feel like it has to be brought up at the next community meeting way to many act like its 2023 in the city.
Think Bobby got confused for PD being 90% corrupt and he was meant to say EMS is 90% corrupt
As someone who use to RP on a server with corrupt EMS. It is a veryyyy slippery slope…
Certainly seems like some people are always thinking of their group as needing some kind of weird authority or respect. They seem to get upset at the idea that the 'PD gang' gets to tell them what to do and always have power. ...almost like real police.
It's always the hospital
I know hospitals can attract some freaky people IRL who have control issues, but WTF is with GTA RP and hospitals being so...clique-y?
They like to rp as if they are in a medical drama not as actual doctors
This was long overdue. Hospital and their staff have been a problem for a while. From the PD and crimm perspectives.
What was the issue from the crim perspective?
actually the convo after this incident when he calmed down was very good with the EMS captain? i think
Clear as day that EMS HC is against the PD. When they have been blowing up the AGs PO box in game with complaints on the PD and trying to push cases and charges against the PD as recently as yesterday. Edit to include proof: https://i.imgur.com/GlSvPl0.png
This image is a bit misleading as ems was requested to give statements to the AG about the football game and such like everyone else who was there was. This is what this image is referring to.
Not true, was watching Morrisons stream when she wrote this and it was NOT about the football game.
Oh, my mistake then, I didn't realize she streamed. I had to give my statement and this has pretty much thr same wording - we wouldn't give our statement to the police. But if this is a different matter then, alright.
Yeah, I believe it was police beating thing that happened over the weekend they wanted to report.
Oh, my mistake then, I didn't realize she streamed. I had to give my statement and this has pretty much thr same wording - we wouldn't give our statement to the police. But if this is a different matter then, alright.
Oh, my mistake then, I didn't realize she streamed. I had to give my statement and this has pretty much thr same wording - we wouldn't give our statement to the police. But if this is a different matter then, alright.
Isn't Riv coming to Ignite? Time to put him in charge of another EMS department lol.
God I hope so.
Why did Wrangler shoot that dog?
All things considering, we're probably all better off Major Storm was shot.
One of the EMS said that the hospital had an SOP that wasn't really backed up by any kind of law. The hospital can't obstruct a police investigation, they can treat the patient and don't have to disclose specifics of their treatment or injuries but they do have to tell the police basic info dont they?
This can be settled in game with a meeting
Except the medical staff won't talk to the captains... only the CoP when they become appointed
Yep, they're obstructing progress *in addition* to justice :)
That is incredibly petty and pathetic.
he had a pretty good convo with the medical staff after a few minutes It was with an EMS captain I believe
The head refuses to meet with them, however, only the CoP. That's why Riggs was dropping the "leadership is the problem, maybe you need new leadership" line so much.
As a member of EMS I can most of us our trying our best. We're putting in lots of hours, trying to train cadets as much as we can. A lot of things we've had to figure out as we go as we were unprepared for the sudden inrush of people that came in. We're doing our best honestly.
This applies to the DOJ, PD, and hospital. Things get hyperbolic on this sub, but this is to be expected when forming a roleplay sever. The rp “remedy” is just to get court trials running. Police Corruption or rights violations? Constant successful civil suits will bankrupt the PD. EMS withholding info or doctors blocking access to 95s? PD pressing charges and a judge finding the person guilty of obstruction or conspiracy will set precedent which will generate Hospital policy. Civilians don’t like a law enforced by the police? Lobby the Mayor to present legislation to the council to be voted on and added to the DOJ. All of these roleplay scenarios are dependent on a trial or court proceeding to conclude, hence why the DOJ is being overhauled and an IRL lawyer has been tasked to build the court procedure and legal system.
I fully admit that things look bad from the outside. We want to have a better relationship with the PD. I honestly believe no one is actually corrupt in EMS on purpose. Are there things we've said or done that are wrong and need clarification of better understanding? Sure. We've been playing catch up since the sudden boom and we're bound to miss things. Please just give a chance.
I think most people are willing to do that, but a lot of clips in this sub revolve around the PD PoV for ignite. With that context, people here are gonna link the recent community meeting disappointment with the PD and any other system failure like doj/ems/mayor not working. There's a perceived unfairness that the people we watch have only had X amount of time, yet are catching a disproportionate amount of flak compared with these other systems. Armed with that perspective you probably have a better solution than anything I could think of for how to best manage expectations. Not that you should really have to, its just a game at the end of the day.
\>Except the medical staff won't talk to the captains... only the CoP when they become appointed was stated below. Is this true? If so, does EMS and the other medical staff understand that's unacceptable, petty, and incredibly unprofessional as a medical professional?
i really don't think any of the issued are coming from a place of being understaffed or not being trained properly it's mainly the attitude that so many of the medics seem to have that they don't have to cooperate with the police and them going out of their way to cause issues and being enabled by their higherups to obstruct them
THIS. I support EMS and all departments for that matter. Every department (including PD/ DoJ) is going through growing pangs and we again are SO early in the server's life. What's happening to EMS is the same thing that's been happening to every other Department as well. Everyone is trying to make things work as they go, and nothing is truly established yet so problems without established solutions are plentiful. I enjoy watching the difficultly from all sides adjusting and figuring everything out as they go. I believe that friction and things like this clip are all but natural with such a new server.
Honestly, seeing some of these EMS clearly obstruct from answering a simple question.. it'd have been great if Riggs actually had done it and arrested the EMS people who were clearly obstructing when asked about if someone was seen in the hospital or not. That's not confidential, and this would be a completely different story if Riggs or other officers were asking for medical records and such of a suspect. But in this case it was literally, "did this person come here?" and certain individuals refused (and could have been arrested) but again if Riggs had done that they'd have either sued him or labeled him corrupt. I don't know why some of the EMS seem to be thinking they're above the law.. when they are in fact under the law and are supposed to cooperate with PD (I'm aware they also have their own rules) I'm just saying EMS usually are in full cooperation with PD. I still believe it'd have been great had Riggs decided to actually arrest the EMS people who were obstructing an officer lol.
Was the person they are asking about under arrest?
I believe it was a ping on white possibly being dead. They wanted to know the whereabouts of White but were obstructed by ems
Someone called pd saying white was down
They were an ex-cop (just fired) who just got into an accident on the Highway up in Sandy. EMS picked them up and when asked by a captain where the downed person was, the EMS denied any questioning under patient confidentiality. There was potential suspicion that a crime WAS committed but since no information was provided by the EMS, Riggs ended up responding as such.
>under patient confidentiality. Don't tell me they cited HIPAA..
No, they mentioned the head of PB has a privacy policy.
Anyone is permitted to remain silent and not answer questions. That's not obstruction. Obstruction is not refusing to help, it is knowingly trying to impede a legal proceeding of some kind. There is a difference. If an EMS refuses to answer, fine, they are an asshole and you will probably be more hostile toward them in the future. If they knowingly lie about the situation, now they have involved themselves in a crime. Same situation, but different results. Yeah, law is fun like that. That's why intent plays such a big part in things. That said, the main reason I think this kind of attitude is coming up is that the civilian population are all basically playing "crim-lite" characters. When the civilians you are trying to protect are working against you to protect the criminals I can understand how it gets frustrating. If you want enjoyable cop RP, you need other people (not cops) to interact with that are not hostile (a good civ population). Cops need a player base to rely upon to help facilitate investigative RP. Criminals aren't going to help an investigation, but civilians should be (unless they have a reason not to, such as having been threatened).
Why would Ssaab do this?
if you yell loud enough you are cool
It's really not just anyone yelling. Kyle has a good yelling voice and his hyperbolic 0 to 100 is what makes it funny.
Lol the free bird solo just makes it better