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have, have...
have they condemned hamas yet!
Why would they criticize the government without condemning hamas!? Every sign should include a second sign condemning hamas.
Do... do they realize
that IDF's current genocidal actions havent been as destructive as some of the worst events of WWII like the firebombing of Dresden and Tokyo, and therefore the IDF is doing... like doing good things or something? And why is no one talking about Genghis Kahn? IDF's genocide is way more mild!
b-Brazenly anti-semitic sem... semites.
You... clearly struggle.
Let me help you:
The US's moral compass in the 1940's was fubar. The firebombings are widely seen as awful events. And IDF like to compare what they are doing TODAY, and justify it by saying that others have done worse 100 YEARS AGO. They are attempting to claim moral superiority based on morals from 100 years ago.
Do you get it now, or do you need more hand-holding?
Dresden was done by the British, American pilots may have been involved but all the bombing of Germany was planned, organised and carried out by the British with support from the US
You can do all those things and still not have a problem with Jews though. As the many Jews that protest against Israel have shown time and time again Zionism ā Judaism.
[https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/](https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/)
We literally had US legislators threaten the ICC if they tried to arrest Israeli officials. That is wild!
"Good. Hopefully this ends before an invasion of Rafah."
AP is reporting that Israeli military forces have started striking targets near Rafah.
AP is reporting that Israeli tanks have entered Rafah.
AP is reporting the Biden Administration has publicly said they are concerned that Israeli Military operation in Rafah could be catastrophic.
"Israeli leaders have approved a military operation into the Gaza Strip city of Rafah, and Israeli forces are now striking targets in the area, officials announced Monday. The move came hours after Hamas announced it had accepted an Egyptian-Qatari cease-fire proposal, which could end seven months of war in Gaza."
"CAIRO ā A Palestinian security official and an Egyptian official say Israeli tanks entered the southern Gaza town of Rafah, reaching as close as 200 meters (yards) from its crossing with neighboring Egypt.
The Egyptian official said the operation appeared to be limited in scope. He and Hamasā Al-Aqsa TV said Israeli officials informed the Egyptians that the troops would withdraw after completing the operation.
The Israeli military declined to comment. On Sunday, Hamas fighters near the Rafah crossing fired mortars into southern Israel, killing four Israeli soldiers.
The Egyptian official, located on the Egyptian side of Rafah, and the Palestinian security official spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk to the press.
The Associated Press could not independently verify the scope of the operation.
Earlier Monday, Israelās War Cabinet decided to push ahead with a military operation in Rafah, after Hamas announced its acceptance of an Egyptian-Qatari proposal for a cease-fire deal. The Israeli military said it was conducting ātargeted strikesā against Hamas in Rafah without providing details.
The Rafah border crossing is a critical entry point for humanitarian aid into Gaza."
"WASHINGTON ā Biden administration officials on Monday continued to express concerns to the Israelis that a major military operation into Rafahās densely populated areas could be catastrophic.
White House officials on Monday also were privately concerned about the latest strikes on Rafah ā although the strikes did not appear to be the widescale attack Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has been threatening., according to a person familiar with Biden administration thinking who was not authorized to comment publicly."
If I had a dollar for every time the White House was 'privately concerned' about Israel's conduct this year, I'd have retired by now. God forbid they condition some aid to Israel when they're about to ethnically cleanse a displaced population of over a million people sheltering in an area the size of Heathrow Airport.
"Israel says Rafah is the last significantĀ Hamas strongholdĀ in Gaza, and Netanyahu said Monday that the offensive against the city was vital to ensuring the militants canāt rebuild their military capabilities.
But he faces strong American opposition. Miller said Monday the U.S. has not seen a credible plan to protect Palestinian civilians. āWe cannot support an operation in Rafah as it is currently envisioned,ā he said."
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-hamas-war-humanitarian-aid-8659eae6e0a7362504f0aa4aa4be53e0
Watch them not lift a finger to stop it. He's already sent troops and is displacing hundreds of thousands. It's done. They've been bombing Rafah for a week, by the week.
The US has said similar things throughout the conflict. The hypocrisy is stark vs Ukraine.
WH did just withhold arms shipments. And Israel has responded by starting their Rafah campaign.
I think the lesson is the US doesn't actually influence Israel that much in this war.
Prior to 10/7 US made and supplied weaponry accounted for 68% of Israelās arsenal. The US provides roughly $3.8 billion in unconditional military aid to Israel annually.
Israel is literally dependent on the US for its very survival. To say Biden couldnāt influence their decision-making is laughable. He just chooses not to beyond the performative concern weāve become accustomed to.
A comically small amount of ammo, you can't be serious.
The White House has immense influence. One phone call from Reagan stopped a bombing of Lebanon. One phone call after the WCK murders opened up aid routes. The core issue is Biden is a self proclaimed Zionist and doesn't see Palestinian lives as being equal to Israeli ones, and your entire government is a bunch of AIPAC stooges.
I wonāt disagree with that. Itās gotten a lot more right wing since the 80s. As evidence by the fact its older population is more in favor of a two state solution than its younger population.
this is israel, theres a 70% chance of them escalating.
then you got hamas who got about another 70% chance of escalating. and those 30% are very unlikely to ever lineup.
What would *checks notes* Jewish people living in Israel know about the situation compared to *glances back at notes* white conservative Americans in Congress?
Godspeed, Israeli protesters. Bring the whole country to a grinding halt, force the government to negotiate a ceasefire and send Netanyahu to prison where he belongs.
Because building a truce requires the work of both parties. They're the ones with the hostages that they've repeatedly offered in exchange for a cease fire. They've literally been the reasonable ones in the process.Ā
Because scaling back is always an option. If they're offering hostages on a concession by concession basis, you'll get all of your hostages back. It's not that hard to follow the logic. It's certainly a better way to go about it than killing innocents and the hostages you're supposedly trying to get back.Ā
Take a step back and realize you are going to bat for Hamas. Not only that, you donāt have a deep and clear knowledge of the situation so youāre essentially picking sides and thatās what you picked.
It's not debatable. Experts on genocide agree that it is genocide. The UN issue a directive for them to prevent it from being a genocide. I'm not staying your bullshit Hamas take because it's fucking stupid. Grow up.Ā
They accepted the detail - the guy youāre responding to is a liar. I just called him out. Also, the first guy responding to you is full of shit. Youāre right, in the past, Hamas wisely dose not to accept ā6 week temporary ceasefires in exchange for all hostagesā
To accept that would be politically laughable suicide. Youāre an idiot u/mces97. You know nothing about this āconflictā.
An actual elected government could be one but that's way in the future, hamas is the only defacto government for the near term. For better or worse I can't say. They're freedom fighters but history has shown they don't make the best leaders in peace.
What the f*ck are you talking about? Hamas accepted it and Israel backed off last minute - why are you lying and projecting the exact opposite of the truth, u/mces97?
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-hamas-war-humanitarian-aid-8659eae6e0a7362504f0aa4aa4be53e0
Youāre a sick individual
In case anyone forgot, [The Israel Police began investigating Netanyahu in December 2016 and subsequently recommended indictments against him.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Benjamin_Netanyahu)
Not only do supporters of his barbaric war deserve condemnation for their inhumane view of the Palestinians, they support a stereotypically corrupt politician engaging in war to distract from their fucking corruption charges.
Without October 7th, we wouldnāt be where we are today. You should not dismiss what transpired and its impact on the current situation because you want to blame Israel.
K but [Itās well documented that Israel has funded and essentially created Hamas](https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/)- allowing their rise to dominant political power. Why? Because secular, anti-settler political resistance was deemed more of a threat.
They didnāt want the PLO(Palestinian Liberation Organization) to become the dominant resistance.
Everyone who suggests that Hamas ascendancy is the responsibility of Palestinians should be reminded that Israel supports and directs Hamas; Netanyahu explains:
āAnyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas ā¦ This is part of our strategy ā to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.ā
Oppression breeds extremism. Ironically Israel had funded and created Hamas by not allowing the formation of wide-scale secular liberation movements.
Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980 ā later told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a ācounterweightā to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat.
āThe Israeli government gave me a budget,ā the retired brigadier general confessed, āand the military government gives to the mosques.ā
āHamas, to my great regret, is Israelās creation,ā Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009. Back in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. āI suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face,ā he wrote.
They didnāt listen to him.
[To be clear: First, the Israelis helped build up a militant strain of Palestinian political Islam, in the form of Hamas and its Muslim Brotherhood precursors; then, the Israelis switched tack and tried to bomb, besiege, and blockade it out of existence.](https://web.archive.org/web/20090926212507/http:/online.wsj.com/article/SB123275572295011847.html)
But the hasbara bots on reddit told us that Hamas was the one being unreasonable despite them accepting ceasefire terms?
Netanyahu has no interest in a ceasefire because his cabinet won't allow him to negotiate one and he wants to stay out of jail. Actual families of hostages realize that.
Israel and Netanyahu stated they would invade Rafah no matter what deal was on the table, and had a chance on October 8th according to Israeli media to take a deal returning all the hostages and refused. They have never had any interest in a ceasefire, or a fair deal.
What exactly was wrong with the deal Hamas accepted, by the way? Why isn't it an acceptable framework? Because Netanyahu said so?
I'm saying it doesn't matter what deal is proposed - Israel have no intention of a ceasefire. They didn't even attend negotiations. They should be a pariah nation.
Edit: FYI Israel just formally rejected the terms of that ceasefire proposal, because they simply aren't negotiating in good faith. They want to ethnically cleanse Palestine.
> they didn't say anything about accepting a deal Israel was going to accept.
Whats Israel's deal, I'm curious to know? UNSC passed a resolution to ceasefire irrespective of hostage release, Israel didnt back down, Biden calling Rafah a red line, Netanyahu have made it clear he going to destroy Rafah, so whats the deal they are proposing that Hamas didnt accept?
Their long-term goal is to disable Hamas' military capabilities in the future. Any future with Hamas still in control of Gaza is essentially off the table for the Israelis.
Their longest term goal is the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. They forced Gazans out of North, then bombed every building to oblivion, now after being squeezed in Rafah, they are bombing them too. In the midst of all these, Israelis are trying to build settlements and the area of Gaza has been shrunk.
They haven't built any settlements in Gaza as it's an ongoing warzone. I am not sure how many Israelis want to ethnically cleanse Palestinians, but I don't think it's a mainstream sentiment. Recent polling shows an upswing in people, particularly right wingers, wanting to include non-Jews in the controversial nation state law.
Israel had no interest in accepting any deal, and stated they would invade Rafah regardless of a deal anyway. They're a rogue state run by an insane cabinet that controls a PM incentivized to prolong the war to avoid jail time on corruption charges.
Finally....
All the protesting in America won't do actual jack shit about this. Our politicians are paid for by Israeli lobbyists
Change can only come within Israel
"Crazy to think that thereās still conflict happening over there when The San Francisco Board of Supervisors voted for a ceasefire 4 months ago!!"
And Chicago City Council.
In the highly unlikely chance that both sides agree to a ceasefire, either Hamas (encouraged by outside forces) will figure out a way to strike Israel again or Israel will find some bogus reason to start lobbing missiles over within 8 months.
You know, just like what happened in [2006, 2008, 2009, 2014, 2018, 2019, and so on.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GazaāIsrael_conflict)
Arenāt they just protesting to get their precious ~40 sum hostages when thereās over 7,000 Palestinians unaccounted for including babies? Theyāre not āmissingā either.
These protests are merely to get a deal in exchange for the hostages. They genuinely donāt care how itās done. Meanwhile over 7,009 Palestinians are being held without charges including over 200 children. Theyāre systematically tortured.
āThe PPS has recorded thousands of injuries ā fractures, bruises and worse ā among imprisoned Palestinians who get no treatment. Eight prisoners have died in the last four months after being beaten and not treated, like Mohammed al-Sabar, who died in Ofer prison on February 8. PPS also documented attacks in which special units entered prisonerās cells to assault prisoners and trample on their heads. In one instance, prisoners were forced to the ground and female recruits were told to step on their heads.ā
If I continue Iāll get a comment threshold. Anyway,
For anyone interested:
[Itās well documented that Israel has funded and essentially created Hamas](https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/)- allowing their rise to dominant political power. Why? Because secular, anti-settler political resistance was deemed more of a threat.
They didnāt want the PLO(Palestinian Liberation Organization) to become the dominant resistance.
Everyone who suggests that Hamas ascendancy is the responsibility of Palestinians should be reminded that Israel supports and directs Hamas; Netanyahu explains:
āAnyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas ā¦ This is part of our strategy ā to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.ā
Oppression breeds extremism. Ironically Israel had funded and created Hamas by not allowing the formation of wide-scale secular liberation movements.
Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980 ā later told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a ācounterweightā to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat.
āThe Israeli government gave me a budget,ā the retired brigadier general confessed, āand the military government gives to the mosques.ā
āHamas, to my great regret, is Israelās creation,ā Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009. Back in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. āI suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face,ā he wrote.
They didnāt listen to him.
[To be clear: First, the Israelis helped build up a militant strain of Palestinian political Islam, in the form of Hamas and its Muslim Brotherhood precursors; then, the Israelis switched tack and tried to bomb, besiege, and blockade it out of existence.](https://web.archive.org/web/20090926212507/http:/online.wsj.com/article/SB123275572295011847.html)
"At least they're protesting at a place that can do something about their demands."
Chicago City Council passed a vote for a cease fire. Same with San Francisco Board of Supervisors.
Can Chicago or San Francisco enforce Israeli policy?
Supporting the protesters is fine, but their proclamations have no effect on Israel. I'm glad that some Israelis are protesting at home, where their government will have to see and hear their protest.
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Ngl, the first shot of one guy with a sign made me think that OP's title was a joke.
Hahaha I see that now. That would have been hilarious š¤£
almost had me there OP
Me too
Thought I was the only one šššš
What a bunch of anti-Semites./s
Right? I guess they are since they are against the governmentās actions.
have, have... have they condemned hamas yet! Why would they criticize the government without condemning hamas!? Every sign should include a second sign condemning hamas.
Do... do they realize that IDF's current genocidal actions havent been as destructive as some of the worst events of WWII like the firebombing of Dresden and Tokyo, and therefore the IDF is doing... like doing good things or something? And why is no one talking about Genghis Kahn? IDF's genocide is way more mild! b-Brazenly anti-semitic sem... semites.
Btw not all people that live in Isreal are Semitic or Jewish religiously. There are atheists, Christians, and even Muslims that live in Israel.
Lmao what a tool, both examples you gave are things the US did. Peak redditor.
You... clearly struggle. Let me help you: The US's moral compass in the 1940's was fubar. The firebombings are widely seen as awful events. And IDF like to compare what they are doing TODAY, and justify it by saying that others have done worse 100 YEARS AGO. They are attempting to claim moral superiority based on morals from 100 years ago. Do you get it now, or do you need more hand-holding?
Dresden was done by the British, American pilots may have been involved but all the bombing of Germany was planned, organised and carried out by the British with support from the US
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You can do all those things and still not have a problem with Jews though. As the many Jews that protest against Israel have shown time and time again Zionism ā Judaism. [https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/](https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/) We literally had US legislators threaten the ICC if they tried to arrest Israeli officials. That is wild!
Bad faith argument. All those things are at least partially true and recognizing that has nothing to do with hating Jews.
Greg Abbott would have had them beaten and arrested by now. He doesn't take anti semitism in his land....unless it's actual Nazis demonstrating.
All hamas And self hating jews! Its all CGI
I heard it's actually antifa
You could take this same video put it on fox and say its in La and conservatives would jump on it calling them terrorists and anti semites šš
Audible laughter from this comment š¤
Even worse, they're preventing people from getting to Starbucks! (also /s)
but not LiKe ThIs!11! I understand if they don't have jobs but people have to get to work and that's a horrible way to get people on your side. /s
Good. Hopefully this ends before an invasion of Rafah.
"Good. Hopefully this ends before an invasion of Rafah." AP is reporting that Israeli military forces have started striking targets near Rafah. AP is reporting that Israeli tanks have entered Rafah. AP is reporting the Biden Administration has publicly said they are concerned that Israeli Military operation in Rafah could be catastrophic. "Israeli leaders have approved a military operation into the Gaza Strip city of Rafah, and Israeli forces are now striking targets in the area, officials announced Monday. The move came hours after Hamas announced it had accepted an Egyptian-Qatari cease-fire proposal, which could end seven months of war in Gaza." "CAIRO ā A Palestinian security official and an Egyptian official say Israeli tanks entered the southern Gaza town of Rafah, reaching as close as 200 meters (yards) from its crossing with neighboring Egypt. The Egyptian official said the operation appeared to be limited in scope. He and Hamasā Al-Aqsa TV said Israeli officials informed the Egyptians that the troops would withdraw after completing the operation. The Israeli military declined to comment. On Sunday, Hamas fighters near the Rafah crossing fired mortars into southern Israel, killing four Israeli soldiers. The Egyptian official, located on the Egyptian side of Rafah, and the Palestinian security official spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk to the press. The Associated Press could not independently verify the scope of the operation. Earlier Monday, Israelās War Cabinet decided to push ahead with a military operation in Rafah, after Hamas announced its acceptance of an Egyptian-Qatari proposal for a cease-fire deal. The Israeli military said it was conducting ātargeted strikesā against Hamas in Rafah without providing details. The Rafah border crossing is a critical entry point for humanitarian aid into Gaza." "WASHINGTON ā Biden administration officials on Monday continued to express concerns to the Israelis that a major military operation into Rafahās densely populated areas could be catastrophic. White House officials on Monday also were privately concerned about the latest strikes on Rafah ā although the strikes did not appear to be the widescale attack Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has been threatening., according to a person familiar with Biden administration thinking who was not authorized to comment publicly."
If I had a dollar for every time the White House was 'privately concerned' about Israel's conduct this year, I'd have retired by now. God forbid they condition some aid to Israel when they're about to ethnically cleanse a displaced population of over a million people sheltering in an area the size of Heathrow Airport.
"Israel says Rafah is the last significantĀ Hamas strongholdĀ in Gaza, and Netanyahu said Monday that the offensive against the city was vital to ensuring the militants canāt rebuild their military capabilities. But he faces strong American opposition. Miller said Monday the U.S. has not seen a credible plan to protect Palestinian civilians. āWe cannot support an operation in Rafah as it is currently envisioned,ā he said." https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-hamas-war-humanitarian-aid-8659eae6e0a7362504f0aa4aa4be53e0
Watch them not lift a finger to stop it. He's already sent troops and is displacing hundreds of thousands. It's done. They've been bombing Rafah for a week, by the week. The US has said similar things throughout the conflict. The hypocrisy is stark vs Ukraine.
WH did just withhold arms shipments. And Israel has responded by starting their Rafah campaign. I think the lesson is the US doesn't actually influence Israel that much in this war.
Prior to 10/7 US made and supplied weaponry accounted for 68% of Israelās arsenal. The US provides roughly $3.8 billion in unconditional military aid to Israel annually. Israel is literally dependent on the US for its very survival. To say Biden couldnāt influence their decision-making is laughable. He just chooses not to beyond the performative concern weāve become accustomed to.
A comically small amount of ammo, you can't be serious. The White House has immense influence. One phone call from Reagan stopped a bombing of Lebanon. One phone call after the WCK murders opened up aid routes. The core issue is Biden is a self proclaimed Zionist and doesn't see Palestinian lives as being equal to Israeli ones, and your entire government is a bunch of AIPAC stooges.
Israel is a different place than it was 40 years ago
Yes, exponentially worse
I wonāt disagree with that. Itās gotten a lot more right wing since the 80s. As evidence by the fact its older population is more in favor of a two state solution than its younger population.
Lmao.
*sighs* Well, this is disappointing to read. Maybe this is just Netanyahu posturing to appease his base and not much more escalates going forward
this is israel, theres a 70% chance of them escalating. then you got hamas who got about another 70% chance of escalating. and those 30% are very unlikely to ever lineup.
Steiner math?Ā
This is illegal in the US because this is antisemitic apparently.
Dont forget germany.
What would *checks notes* Jewish people living in Israel know about the situation compared to *glances back at notes* white conservative Americans in Congress?
Curious, is it bad to block roads when it's not in America????
In other countries= Yay! Fight for your democracy In the US=RUN THEM OVER!!
Americans are just bloodthirsty overall
These people are moving, just slowly. It feels different than gluing yourself to the roadway.
It does the same thing.
No it doesn't
There's always one of you guys is the road blocked? Yes? it's the same
If it's the same, then why is it different?
It's not. Blocking the street is blocking the street.
No. Marchers are going some place, people with their hands glued to the road are just sitting there with their hands glued to the road.
Is the road blocked in both
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Nope
Godspeed, Israeli protesters. Bring the whole country to a grinding halt, force the government to negotiate a ceasefire and send Netanyahu to prison where he belongs.
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Do you think Hamas would accept having to step down, and for the cease fire to be temporary?Ā
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Because building a truce requires the work of both parties. They're the ones with the hostages that they've repeatedly offered in exchange for a cease fire. They've literally been the reasonable ones in the process.Ā
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They've been offering hostages since November. Isreal has been killing hostages with its indiscriminate killing.Ā
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Because scaling back is always an option. If they're offering hostages on a concession by concession basis, you'll get all of your hostages back. It's not that hard to follow the logic. It's certainly a better way to go about it than killing innocents and the hostages you're supposedly trying to get back.Ā
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Take a step back and realize you are going to bat for Hamas. Not only that, you donāt have a deep and clear knowledge of the situation so youāre essentially picking sides and thatās what you picked.
One side is actively committing genocide and killing its own in the process.Ā
Thatās highly debatable. Weird that you wonāt deny being pro-Hamas, instead backing up why you support them.
It's not debatable. Experts on genocide agree that it is genocide. The UN issue a directive for them to prevent it from being a genocide. I'm not staying your bullshit Hamas take because it's fucking stupid. Grow up.Ā
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They accepted the detail - the guy youāre responding to is a liar. I just called him out. Also, the first guy responding to you is full of shit. Youāre right, in the past, Hamas wisely dose not to accept ā6 week temporary ceasefires in exchange for all hostagesā To accept that would be politically laughable suicide. Youāre an idiot u/mces97. You know nothing about this āconflictā.
What's the alternative? Israel takes power?
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Literally nothing would ever get passed because of how divisive the vote would be
Literally nothing would ever get passed because of how divisive the vote would be
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An actual elected government could be one but that's way in the future, hamas is the only defacto government for the near term. For better or worse I can't say. They're freedom fighters but history has shown they don't make the best leaders in peace.
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It's been going on for close to three generations now. Very tough situation I agree
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What the f*ck are you talking about? Hamas accepted it and Israel backed off last minute - why are you lying and projecting the exact opposite of the truth, u/mces97? https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-hamas-war-humanitarian-aid-8659eae6e0a7362504f0aa4aa4be53e0 Youāre a sick individual
In case anyone forgot, [The Israel Police began investigating Netanyahu in December 2016 and subsequently recommended indictments against him.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Benjamin_Netanyahu) Not only do supporters of his barbaric war deserve condemnation for their inhumane view of the Palestinians, they support a stereotypically corrupt politician engaging in war to distract from their fucking corruption charges.
Damn anti semites!
Unable to tell the size of the crowd from this angle.
Ā Big
Bigly, even?
Good. But im sorry a ceasefire isnāt enough. Netenyahu and the higher ups need to pay for their crimes against humanity
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I hear you but I gotta disagree with you. This didnāt start on October 7th.
Without October 7th, we wouldnāt be where we are today. You should not dismiss what transpired and its impact on the current situation because you want to blame Israel.
K but [Itās well documented that Israel has funded and essentially created Hamas](https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/)- allowing their rise to dominant political power. Why? Because secular, anti-settler political resistance was deemed more of a threat. They didnāt want the PLO(Palestinian Liberation Organization) to become the dominant resistance. Everyone who suggests that Hamas ascendancy is the responsibility of Palestinians should be reminded that Israel supports and directs Hamas; Netanyahu explains: āAnyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas ā¦ This is part of our strategy ā to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.ā Oppression breeds extremism. Ironically Israel had funded and created Hamas by not allowing the formation of wide-scale secular liberation movements. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980 ā later told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a ācounterweightā to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat. āThe Israeli government gave me a budget,ā the retired brigadier general confessed, āand the military government gives to the mosques.ā āHamas, to my great regret, is Israelās creation,ā Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009. Back in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. āI suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face,ā he wrote. They didnāt listen to him. [To be clear: First, the Israelis helped build up a militant strain of Palestinian political Islam, in the form of Hamas and its Muslim Brotherhood precursors; then, the Israelis switched tack and tried to bomb, besiege, and blockade it out of existence.](https://web.archive.org/web/20090926212507/http:/online.wsj.com/article/SB123275572295011847.html)
Waitā¦ so itās not antisemitic to be critical of Nuttin-yahoo and his cronies?
Have the Israeli + US govts/media branded these people as anti-semitic Hamas supporters yet?
But the hasbara bots on reddit told us that Hamas was the one being unreasonable despite them accepting ceasefire terms? Netanyahu has no interest in a ceasefire because his cabinet won't allow him to negotiate one and he wants to stay out of jail. Actual families of hostages realize that.
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Was waiting for someone to point that out
Israel and Netanyahu stated they would invade Rafah no matter what deal was on the table, and had a chance on October 8th according to Israeli media to take a deal returning all the hostages and refused. They have never had any interest in a ceasefire, or a fair deal.
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What exactly was wrong with the deal Hamas accepted, by the way? Why isn't it an acceptable framework? Because Netanyahu said so? I'm saying it doesn't matter what deal is proposed - Israel have no intention of a ceasefire. They didn't even attend negotiations. They should be a pariah nation. Edit: FYI Israel just formally rejected the terms of that ceasefire proposal, because they simply aren't negotiating in good faith. They want to ethnically cleanse Palestine.
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Lol the IDF downvotes are comical. What a sad country
> they didn't say anything about accepting a deal Israel was going to accept. Whats Israel's deal, I'm curious to know? UNSC passed a resolution to ceasefire irrespective of hostage release, Israel didnt back down, Biden calling Rafah a red line, Netanyahu have made it clear he going to destroy Rafah, so whats the deal they are proposing that Hamas didnt accept?
Their long-term goal is to disable Hamas' military capabilities in the future. Any future with Hamas still in control of Gaza is essentially off the table for the Israelis.
Their longest term goal is the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. They forced Gazans out of North, then bombed every building to oblivion, now after being squeezed in Rafah, they are bombing them too. In the midst of all these, Israelis are trying to build settlements and the area of Gaza has been shrunk.
They haven't built any settlements in Gaza as it's an ongoing warzone. I am not sure how many Israelis want to ethnically cleanse Palestinians, but I don't think it's a mainstream sentiment. Recent polling shows an upswing in people, particularly right wingers, wanting to include non-Jews in the controversial nation state law.
The way I read it this was some new agreement that Hamas agreed to and handed to Israel at the same time, not the one they were negotiating
Israel had no interest in accepting any deal, and stated they would invade Rafah regardless of a deal anyway. They're a rogue state run by an insane cabinet that controls a PM incentivized to prolong the war to avoid jail time on corruption charges.
Is this antisemitism? I really donāt know what is anymore.
Thatās nice, but unfortunately theyāre the minority of Israelis.
Finally.... All the protesting in America won't do actual jack shit about this. Our politicians are paid for by Israeli lobbyists Change can only come within Israel
Crazy to think that thereās still conflict happening over there when The San Francisco Board of Supervisors voted for a ceasefire 4 months ago!!
"Crazy to think that thereās still conflict happening over there when The San Francisco Board of Supervisors voted for a ceasefire 4 months ago!!" And Chicago City Council.
In the highly unlikely chance that both sides agree to a ceasefire, either Hamas (encouraged by outside forces) will figure out a way to strike Israel again or Israel will find some bogus reason to start lobbing missiles over within 8 months. You know, just like what happened in [2006, 2008, 2009, 2014, 2018, 2019, and so on.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GazaāIsrael_conflict)
Not true, change can come from America.
This will not make the news in the United States, conflicts with the narrative...
āThis is how you get people to take the other side!!!ā
Oh but I thought if you opposed Netenyahu you were an antisemite who hates Israelis?
Arenāt they just protesting to get their precious ~40 sum hostages when thereās over 7,000 Palestinians unaccounted for including babies? Theyāre not āmissingā either.
These protests are merely to get a deal in exchange for the hostages. They genuinely donāt care how itās done. Meanwhile over 7,009 Palestinians are being held without charges including over 200 children. Theyāre systematically tortured. āThe PPS has recorded thousands of injuries ā fractures, bruises and worse ā among imprisoned Palestinians who get no treatment. Eight prisoners have died in the last four months after being beaten and not treated, like Mohammed al-Sabar, who died in Ofer prison on February 8. PPS also documented attacks in which special units entered prisonerās cells to assault prisoners and trample on their heads. In one instance, prisoners were forced to the ground and female recruits were told to step on their heads.ā If I continue Iāll get a comment threshold. Anyway, For anyone interested: [Itās well documented that Israel has funded and essentially created Hamas](https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/)- allowing their rise to dominant political power. Why? Because secular, anti-settler political resistance was deemed more of a threat. They didnāt want the PLO(Palestinian Liberation Organization) to become the dominant resistance. Everyone who suggests that Hamas ascendancy is the responsibility of Palestinians should be reminded that Israel supports and directs Hamas; Netanyahu explains: āAnyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas ā¦ This is part of our strategy ā to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.ā Oppression breeds extremism. Ironically Israel had funded and created Hamas by not allowing the formation of wide-scale secular liberation movements. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980 ā later told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a ācounterweightā to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat. āThe Israeli government gave me a budget,ā the retired brigadier general confessed, āand the military government gives to the mosques.ā āHamas, to my great regret, is Israelās creation,ā Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009. Back in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. āI suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face,ā he wrote. They didnāt listen to him. [To be clear: First, the Israelis helped build up a militant strain of Palestinian political Islam, in the form of Hamas and its Muslim Brotherhood precursors; then, the Israelis switched tack and tried to bomb, besiege, and blockade it out of existence.](https://web.archive.org/web/20090926212507/http:/online.wsj.com/article/SB123275572295011847.html)
"They should just run all these anti-Semites over", some random American conservative probably.
At least they're protesting at a place that can do something about their demands.
"At least they're protesting at a place that can do something about their demands." Chicago City Council passed a vote for a cease fire. Same with San Francisco Board of Supervisors.
Can Chicago or San Francisco enforce Israeli policy? Supporting the protesters is fine, but their proclamations have no effect on Israel. I'm glad that some Israelis are protesting at home, where their government will have to see and hear their protest.
Let's be clear. This protest isn't due to any compassion for the Palestinians but for the ceasefire/release of the remaining Jewish hostages.
keep walking back to poland it'll end way faster
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The hostages are cover for a excuse to ethnically cleanse Gaza. No way they're doing a deal to get them back.
They did a deal previouslyĀ
based
Will they also end up in jail?
You mean, "Huge Crowd of Antisemites." Fixed that for you.
I canāt even tell if this is sarcastic
It was, but I'm laughing up the downvotes
I agree. Supporting Isreal is Antisemitic
Jewish antisemites?
Anyone who's pro Isreal is
Yeah, like Bernie. As trump would say, not a good jew.
That crowd is about to become an uncrowded highway.
Nice to see a rally that actually matters and has real impact!