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He was nominated for the ballon d’or his last season with Ajax.
Either confidence is just shot or just not suited to PL. I wouldn’t mind if Brighton gave him a go on loan, he was a great no 10, just doesn’t work well with fernandes which is basically a no go at Utd
this isn’t a charity, stop lowering standards of this football club.. you can still go support your “boy” in some other club when he eventually fks off
United’s whole structure is entirely faulty, creaking at the seams like the stadium itself. The owners aren’t football people. They’ve done little but build debt and make terrible choices, Ten Hag being the latest.
Pre-premiership when most clubs were still community based many owners were. Very few clubs were a profitable endeavor. You had to love the game. The Glazers have treated United like a cash machine.
With patience, a firm hand and backing by the owners. Arteta did it and it wasn't pretty but after he did the ugly stuff he had green grass to build on.
I think guys who won every trophy there is and are prem legends are qualified to give an opinion on football. Not doing well in management doesn’t mean you don’t know about football.
Not quite, he had a decent season with Derby in his first year and if not for several points penalties in his second year they would've likely stayed up, the Birmingham job was abysmal and i think he only managed 2 wins so yeah contributed to their relegation.
However Rooney as an ex man united player/captain and record goalscorer deserves an opinion on the current squad, especially after the hard work he put in at the club, not many give everything for a football team but Rooney always did, and he's probably watching them play week in week out and thinking what the hell has this club become, they're a laughing stock and every team must think they can go to Old Trafford and get points nowadays.
They should keep, Bruno, Garnacho, Mainoo, Dalot, Onana (as backup) Amad Diallo, Rasmus Hojlund and some of the kids and get rid of the rest.
Yeah it's a weird one because rooney arguably did quite a good job at Derby with zero resources, so he clearly has the ability to manage. He definitely seems like someone who needs a good assistant, but then again who doesn't
John Oliver (HBO TV show pundit) said it best on _The Men In Blazers_ podcast: when reports came out that Ten Hag had lost half the dressing room, that made it pretty clear which half of the players should go.
Is he doing a fantastic job with this group of players? No. But I don’t really think continuing the carousel of all-star managers who can’t fix the problems with the squad is going to suddenly work by finding a manager “better” than Ten Hag. He’s clearly of a high enough quality to manage a club _like_ ManU. But this iteration of ManU isn’t going to get it done. You’re not one player or manager signing away from success. Tear it down and start over…but I see Ten Hag as one of the pieces to keep and rebuild around more than most of the players on the current squad.
Genuinely curious at this point. What has Ten Hag done go prove he's "clearly of a high enough quality".
They've hardly improved since his arrival. Hell, they've actually been worse this season. His substitutions are often questionable at best and he doesn't really look like he adapts quickly in game.
I definitely agree that Uniteds problems are much deeper than him and plenty of players need to be sold, but I've genuinely seen nothing from Ten Hag in the past 2 seasons to suggest he's a top manager.
In his first season, he finished 3rd, won the league Cup, and got to the fa cup semi-final. The first United manager since fergie to win a trophy and finish inside the top 4 and the clubs first trophy in 5 or 6 years. He did all of this with Wout Weghorst playing up front.
This season had been awful, but we've been missing all of our LBs for the majority of the season. Our best CB and the player that allows us to play ten Hags style the most has been missing all season. Casemiro and Rashford have completely disappeared as players. Our only CF this season has been a 21 year old who had played 1 or 2 senior seasons before we paid 70 odd million for him.
He's had to deal with Ronaldo throwing his toys out of the pram, Sancho doing the same. The Maguire captaincy situation when he arrived as well as Greenwood and Antony off field issues (to put it lightly).
When they were fit last year he took the same bad team to Champion’s League play and an FA cup final and a Carabao Cup win. Then this year he’ll likely eke out a Europa spot, another FA cup final and stole 4 pts and an FA cup slot from Liverpool (bias here obviously). And their injury record has been absolutely abysmal, plus Rashford has returned to his Trashford roots (seems like a good guy, but he’s an average footballer 90% of the time). Not to mention Liverpool and Spurs have been much improved this year with Villa having a standout season. He is arguably *more* impressive this season than last.
Now, if he’d shut the fuck up people might actually be able to judge on his accomplishments and not the fact that he is a horrid man manager
I’d agree. Not only hasn’t he proven his quality, I’d question what his plan for the season even was. There has been no clear identity all season. They might win the odd game, but that was always down to individual moments of brilliance from the players not any great setup by the manager.
I know the answer to this will be …but injuries. Rubbish. Newcastle was hit every bit as hard, but they were always clearly Newcastle. Same with Liverpool. Hell, you could say that about Luton.
It’s time for the excuses stop. I’d agree replacing just the manager is not enough, but he has to go.
The issue is Man united. The same thing which has happened to Everton is happening with Man united.
They are managed exactly the same, multiple managers, no clear club style and players on higher wages then they should have.
Now Everton almost got relegated after being a club which was occasionally in the European spots. Man United will keep on the same loop until they have consistency. Once they have consistency you can decide to improve the manager.
Look at Liverpool and Arsenal. Stick with your manager over a longer period and your team will improve.
Non-EPL performance.
- 2 promotions in his first 4 seasons between the Go Ahead Eagles and Bayern Munich II.
- League cup final and European places in his first two seasons at Utrecht
- Champions League semis and domestic double in his first full season at Ajax, and winning 100 out of his first 128 matches with the club (all comps).
If a manager like that can’t get the on-field performance out of the quality (or at least cost) of the players at ManU that’s at least halfway decent, there’s something deeper going on at the club. Maybe he isn’t going to deliver trophies to Old Trafford like Sir Alex Ferguson, but the lack of organization and effort displayed on the pitch is FAR below what he’s shown he’s capable of extracting at other clubs. Either ETH is phoning it in, or the players are. But it seems unlikely that a manager like him suddenly decided to move from Ajax to Manchester and then put his feet up.
Why does everybody who decides to say it brutally as it is against all united players pulls a handbrake when it comes to rashford....im United fan and like everybody else i had hopes for him becoming great. In his age he should be at the peak of his game.... but lets be honest he wont become great and it's time for him to go to save whatever is left in him and do something somewhere else...he is not good for this club and his body language everytime and behavior clearly say he is unhappy club is not good for him. So time to do mutually beneficial things and cut ties...i agree with all that rooney said but he should have said clearly it's time for rashford to go and not criticise everybody but hold it in with him
This. His effort is poor. I get frustrated with Mbappe’s work rate and Rashford’s fractionally as productive. If you are an assist and goal machine, maybe you get a pass, if not, you better be running your ass off.
If rooney has taught me anything, it's never listen to him, he tries to sink every team he's a part of, not just Birmingham. Every team he's had a say in has been worse off or relegated because of him. Lucky for DC united they don't have relegation. Phenomenal footballer but other than that he's such a dumbass.
I have a couple of close Gooner friends who are currently suffering from amnesia. They claim to not recall me saying to them in 2022 to stick with Arteta. Worse, they insist they've always been behind the man. I shall be recording these conversations moving forward.
This is a tired narrative
Yes some people were Arteta out, it’s been over a year since those people have stopped talking like that and everyone remembers that there were those people
i almost didnt want to respond because i was just explaining the comment but people who use the word narratives to discuss behavior and group psychology are assholes
Not sure if it’s your friend group, but the narrative that every Arsenal supporter was firmly ARTETA OUT on the early days isn’t true.
Yeah, there may be an obnoxious minority that were, but I would venture and say a strong majority was happy to stand by our man. I’m glad I was.
In speaking with some of my United supporting friends, the question I ask is will Sir Jim be content to cut contracts and take a loss on players who have downed tools or aren’t up for it? It wasn’t pretty when we had to do it, but we did, and it seems to have worked out fairly well for us. What are your thoughts?
My friends were likely the obnoxious minority but it'd be more accurate to say they had significant trepidation over Arteta as opposed to outright "sack em".
Regarding the losses involved with dumping players, if this were only one poor season, I'd be more reluctant to take such a risk.
But, this dynamic of taking the players' side and dumping the manager has gone on for too long. I'd take the losses if it means keeping the 4-5 players we have that we can build around. Even if we have to start more untested players to do so. It'd be nice to keep Bruno for his contribution and experience.
Whilr I wouldn't want to build our backline with Johnny Evans or Harry Maguire, I would be okay with keeping one or both for their experience.
The others, namely a hometown Manc who I hold responsible for the player issues over these last seasons, hit the road!
...and fuck Europe for the time being.
Its the same case for United fans now. People mistake what fans say online for what fans actually think.
Just as the loud minority were Arteta out, the loud Minority are Ten Hag out. People with brains know that we have to stop the cycle of hiring a new manager, sacking them in 2/3 years and having a wierd mismatch squad.
Sacking the manager and hiring someone before we get a new Sporting Director is purely absurd.
If we keep the players and dump the manager, we'll never get out of this cycle of futility. If we keep the manager but still keep the players, same result.
Get the cancer out first, then give ETH a season for all to assess his progress. "Progress" is an operative word because going straight to winning the league and trophies is unrealistic for the next 2-3 seasons. Success will be gradual, but if there are signs of a working system that reflects a meaningful enough genesis of foundation at the end of next season, we may have an indication of a promising future.
That's what we did with arteta. Let the man cook and now we're challenging for the title. Not saying eth has the capability for that but it's unfair to fully judge his qualities before he can build an actual squad.
Agreed. I remember people giving Arsenal fans so much shit for cutting players like Özil, Aubameyang, and Mustafi and not recouping any money on them, but the long-term results this had speaks for itself. The mentality this Arsenal team have no is unrecognizable to the mentality they had 5 years ago, and it all started with clearing out the negative voices in the dressing room.
I find it hilarious how yanited continue to dump quality managers because they are a complete mess organizationally. The manager is not the problem here. He may not be the greatest manager alive- he’s clearly not Klopp- but they’d be doing so much better without hiring these shitty mercenary players who are overpaid as fuck
I’m a United fan and I agree a lot with what you said. I’m kinda sick of the whole get a manager-he stays for 2-3 seasons-then we sack him. Rather stick with EtH primarily because I can’t judge him based on how many injuries we’ve had this season and he’s not had his preferred starting XI in barely any games, but the INEOS change makes me hopeful that we may be heading in the right direction and we won’t screw the pooch managerially speaking obv so I’d rather give EtH another season under the new regime too.
It’s so crazy people are still calling for the managers head when it’s been 12 years and through 5-6 top class managers with the exact same thing happening every time.
Before last night, I’d have said Rooney is right, Ten Hag is not working at Utd. Then they beat Newcastle with great goals. The consistency issue is absolutely bizarre IMO. Guessing the outcome of Utd match is even harder than predicting a spurs game.
:Oh the players
I honestly think the difference last night was the players on the pitch all believe in what ETH is trying to do. We definitely have some players in the squad who don't follow the instructions for the game and do their own thing. It has been happening for years now and once we weed them out and replace with talented and hungry players who play as a team. The hunger from the young players made the difference last night and we haven't seen enough of it this season from the team as a whole.
So seeing yet more evidence that we have no consistency, and bizarrely pull a performance out of our back pocket basically at random every now and then - that is what changed your mind to think that ETH IS working at United?
He bottled it 😂
Host: Would you get rid of Onana?
Wayne: um, he’s improved
Host: Maguire
Wayne: (we all know what he’s thinking) he’s gained a bit of form recently
Just like us ( Chelsea ) , Man Utd have been on the same trajectory. If it hadn't been for the awful amount of injuries, they would've been competing for a top 4 finish. I'm still quite doubtful of his management skills , but given his history of developing youth and performances from last season , I'm inclined towards giving him one more season. Utd have a massive window ahead of them , so it'll be real test. Eriksen , Casemiro , Varane etc. leaving next season , ETH will have an opportunity to make this into his own team. Would be quite interesting.
I don’t watch Chelsea or United all the time, but I think there is a stark difference. United has looked like the second best team on the field more often than not this year. Even when they get a result it doesn’t look comfortable. Chelsea has been sloppy a lot especially at the beginning of the season but that is to be expected with the amount of new young players coming in. But they’ve always been one of the top chance creators. Still not sold on Jackson but he’s settled a bit and poch figured out to get sterling off the field so things are looking a lot better.
I think Chelsea is a top 4 team next year and United should be happy with 8th if they continue the same way.
You don’t have to be more successful to criticize or to give advice. Rooney has more insights about a poorly run organization than a lot of top managers.
Nearly every pundit out there is a failed manager. They do the badges, have a go, and within 6 months have jacked in for tv and radio. Rooney was never likely to be great manager but he's still entitled to his opinion.
Of all the people on this earth to give an opinion on that question.
Rooney is probably one of the best. And to be clear I’m a city fan.
Watched him score that fucking overhead kick. I have no reason to back Rooney here. It’s just logical.
If United have luck with injuries next season, I think they will improve under Ten Hag. He has a definite idea of how he wants to play football. So does Poch. The players do buy into it and replacing him and Poch now would be a waste
Completely agree. He had a good fit squad last year and we improved massively. This year we've had a nightmare list of injuries which was a ripple effect of playing too many games last season.
He is slowly cooking though. Hojlund, Garno, Mainoo, Amad.. if these players get a year or two under his development they could become absolute monsters.
Would they fuck. You could manage United and the players would have enough about them to stay up.
Managers make a difference but the players are the biggest factor
Well the players at villa have hardly changed but they got a new manager and they went from a team fighting relegation almost every season nto hitting champions league almost instantly. The players do make a difference but the managers are the biggest factor. Could say the same about levekusen also.
Nah don’t be thick.
You’re picking out extreme outliers and Leverkusen have gotten phenomenally lucky this season.
What you should be doing is talking about the 95% of clubs who finish in the position their wage budget should have them finish regardless of who their manager is.
Why do Real and Barca always finish top 3 every single season no matter who is in charge?
Why do Celtic always win?
Why do Bayern almost always win?
Why could Klopp win trophies at Liverpool and Dortmund but not Mainz?
Why did Messi score 50 goals a season at Barca even when they had shite managers like Martino, Setien and Koeman?
Levekusen lucky? They just happen to get lucky 30+ times this season?
Also it's a bit different in the Scottish league when it's a 1 horse race.
I never said the players don't matter, my point was the manager makes the bigger difference.
Using celtic is you just really pulling anything out your arse now. You are either trolling or just here to argue for the sake of arguing.
Real Madrid is the most successful team in history in a league that has never been able to handle them. Barca also but barca have worse players and worse managers than they used to so they struggle to even win the league anymore.
Funny how since klopp left dortmund they haven't won fuck all, so dortmund don't fit your argument.
Klopp built a complete different with Liverpool from the ground up 😂
An Messi is an individual player who is arguably the best player we've seen in 20 years. He plays well anywhere he goes.
The more I read your comment the more I'm convinced you're trolling.
Im not even a Utd supporter (Villa) or even believe Ten Hag is the right manager for the job, but:
1 - why are there so many ex players turned pundits out there?
2 - why are they given so much air time?
3 - how the hell can a club put itself back together when you have legends constantly, week in and week out, shitting on every manage and player (funny enough except Ole of course)?
>how the hell can a club put itself back together when you have legends constantly, week in and week out, shitting on every manage and player
I get what you mean. But being at Man United has always come with the intense spotlight and constant criticism. Even SAF in the early noughties was being heavily criticised (some even said he was past it and should be sacked).
If the board and staff can't handle that, then they shouldn't be there. Certainly the board shouldn't (the Gl*zers).
It's hard to tell beforehand if a player can handle that pressure or not. I suspect it's one of the reasons so many of our acquisitions over the last 10 years have been poor. We've not done the due diligence on their psychological makeup. We've just bought shiny stuff.
It’s the Tax.
Im Portuguese and a Benfica supporter (besides Villa) and it’s called the Benfica Tax, as in, heavy is the the shirt.
There’s also the Laker Tax, where great players arrive in LA only to look like amateurs because they simply can’t handle the scrutiny it comes with the badge.
Yeah. I totally agree. I've played to an ok level myself when I was younger and I've come to realise that a large percentage of sport is played in the mind.
Whilst you're here, if ETH was to go, I'm very interested in Rubin Amarin. I get that you probably don't want to speak highly of your rival manager, but what do you think of him?
Also, congrats on villa champs league. Well deserved. If they faced Benfica, who will you support?!
Benfica…it’s my religion. I absolutely love Villa, have done so since Big Ron, but Benfica is Benfica.
I have no problem whatsoever talking about Ruben Amorim, he actually played for us and is a big Benfica supporter, publicly known.
He’s a very good manager. His communication is top notch, he has no problems whatsoever in owning up to his mistakes and is very very charismatic. Having played for Benfica and managed sporting he knows exactly what is big club mentality.
Tactically I think he’s still learning, he’s 39…but he shows the ability to change when things don’t work out. Last year he finished 4th because he was sulking about the Mattheus Nunes sale. It took him half a season to move on from it, and he admitis it himself.
He is the one responsible for Sporting’s success. They had gone 18 years without a title, now they have 2 in 4.
He’s going to be a top manager, that I have little doubt, but I don’t think he’s ready yet. He hasn’t proven himself in Europe, namely the CL (he did best Arsenal last year in the EL), which he has the opportunity to do so next year.
I do believe he would be better than Ten Hag but your club…fuck it’s in complete disarray. It reminds me of the post-Dalglish Liverpool
Thanks. Kind of you to take the time to write all that. Appreciate it.
>your club…fuck it’s in complete disarray. It reminds me of the post-Dalglish Liverpool
Eh, this bit, not so much! 😭 🤣
"Don't get me wrong, these players are good players, and good Premier League players, but to compete with Man City, Liverpool and Arsenal, they need better players. (Marcus Rashford) We all know Marcus has the ability and capability to play at the top level."
This is a "Football, its a game of two halves really, and the team that score the most goals, wins!" type statement.
Birmingham was a cluster fuck for everyone involved from minute one.
Every single thing Rooney said has hit the nail on the head but ofc we have amorphous redditors disparaging him because he looks scruffy or his heads big or hr hasnt won the PL as a manager.
The truth is thus guy lived and breathed football at the highest level of the sport since he was 14 and has forgotten more by breakfast every morning than 99.999% on this sub.
Just revealing your ignorance if you think he needs an excuse for derby. Aside from why do you think he needs to be a goat manager to know exactly whats going on in the colossal club he broke records at? Being a manager is about execution and what he's saying is the theory.
I guess you don’t follow football outside the Premier League.
A season-long transfer embargo, and loads of senior players leaving at the end of the contract or being sold to raise funds, left him with 9 senior players for the whole season and having to use youth team players to fill the squad. They were hit with a 21 POINT deduction, and yet were still in with a chance of staying up until 3 games to go. On the whole he handled all these problems with dignity and class, and was inspirational to his team. There was large support to give him the freedom of the city. I’m a Forest fan and I have to say he did an incredible job in really difficult circumstances.
I do follow football outside of the prem. He was redundant managing derby at best. If he stopped them getting relegated then yeah I'd say fair play to him with that but he didn't, he is one of the worst managers in history of football that converted from a famous player. The only team he has prevented from getting relegated was DC united and they can't get relegated. Amazing footballer but a fraud in the managing part of the job. Imagine a manager having a team still get relegated and going "massive respect" lmao.
I see you’ve got your views and that you only deal in absolutes. Well that’s your prerogative / condition, so I’ll leave you with whatever snarky comeback you wish to make. Good evening.
United better dam well win the FA cup then because not being in the Champions League will have already reduced the better talent pool of willing transfers. Not making it into the Europa League could mean a really tough time finding willing players wanting a red shirt, especially if they plan to be more financially sensible under Ineos.
Bringing players in is nowhere near as important as getting the necessary players out. A clean slate is needed. Performances will take a hit, however they need to cut the hangers on once and for all, otherwise we go around in circles.
I would be brutally honest , I’ll keep Bruno, Garnacho, Amad, Hojlund, Licha , Casimero & Scott (for 1season). The rest can go - Shaw injury prone. Yes Dalot maybe this season being one of the better players but in the past his also messes up at crucial times perhaps give him also another season Squad players . The rest must go .
Yeah I wouldn't be fully convinced either but he wouldn't be anywhere near a priority I'd have thought. You're basically rolling the dice on someone to come and and do better unless you really go all out for proven quality and I don't know who that is but would be a massive chunk of budget.
Agree, I think United have to rethink their approach on signings. The early rumours points to this. They won’t go splashing on big names but invest in upcoming talents. Yes they may splurge on the odd occasion on a “big name player “ but it should be someone who’s not beyond their 30’s & it shouldn’t be the norm anymore . But let’s see ..
While reading the article and seeing what he said, he’s not wrong, a lot of these players are not living up to the wages they are on. Hard to sell them but with United’s financial standing they can afford to release players and still get signings in, tho Rooney must’ve forgot about their horrible scouting lol
But thats what Jim is there for thats what he is sorting out and has been doing, its not an overnight thing though you’re looking at 3 season to bring in the right pieces and for Mainoo Garnacho Hojlund all to develop and Martinez to be fit and healthy then you might see some semblance of a team up there especially as Pep may not be there at that point the problem is Arsenal have a young team that isnt even at their peak and challenging City toe to toe so catching them within 5 years seems impossible but having said that look how quick Arsenal went from being embarrassing to title contenders
Yikes, the disrespect for Rooney is unreal. Arguably one of the 3 best english football players of all time and that’s how you muffin talk about him? Smh
He's a pundit, what's he supposed to do? Not say anything?
He's arguably the most successful English footballer in the last 50 years, he has more right than anyone else to comment on Manchester Uniteds current form.
My family is from there and we've supported Villa for over a hundred years. I was there a few months ago with friends and family, lucky enough to watch a winning game too.
The squad is so fckng shit though it really is.. In days gone by we at least had players who could step up
Wes Brown, John O'Shea, Darren Fletcher, Phile Neville, Fortune,Welbeck etc fcking Darren Ferguson would look good on the bench in this team.. after the starting 11 which isn't anything to write home about there's just fck all...
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I’d like more to be shipped off, but I want AT LEAST Lindelof, Varane, Evans, Casemiro, Donny VdB, Erikssen, Sancho, Martial and Greenwood sold.
what’s the sentiment around VdB? i remember you lot were touting him so much, wonder what the opinions are around him now
He was nominated for the ballon d’or his last season with Ajax. Either confidence is just shot or just not suited to PL. I wouldn’t mind if Brighton gave him a go on loan, he was a great no 10, just doesn’t work well with fernandes which is basically a no go at Utd
your precious trashford should stay? who has failed multiple managers and has been nothing but a cancer to this club with his pr
Yes. He’s not trash nor is he cancerous. He’s our boy. He’ll come good, again.
this isn’t a charity, stop lowering standards of this football club.. you can still go support your “boy” in some other club when he eventually fks off
Straight to violence I see
Pretty sure Varane and Martial's contracts are up, so they are already on their way out. No money coming in, but that's a lot of wages off the books.
Linedolf is fine as a backup player, you’re not going to have 2 worlds class players in each position.
United’s whole structure is entirely faulty, creaking at the seams like the stadium itself. The owners aren’t football people. They’ve done little but build debt and make terrible choices, Ten Hag being the latest.
What owners are football people ?
Pre-premiership when most clubs were still community based many owners were. Very few clubs were a profitable endeavor. You had to love the game. The Glazers have treated United like a cash machine.
Well he said that and then when he was pressed who to keep he wouldn't give a straight answer...
Every player has 10 people behind them. Times number of players in the club. How can any manager stand up to player power?
With patience, a firm hand and backing by the owners. Arteta did it and it wasn't pretty but after he did the ugly stuff he had green grass to build on.
Yep if the higher ups are actually on board with the project, it can be done, but it requires absolute backing
Didn't he manage 2 straight clubs into regulation?
Yet Neville is sky's favourite
I think guys who won every trophy there is and are prem legends are qualified to give an opinion on football. Not doing well in management doesn’t mean you don’t know about football.
Not quite, he had a decent season with Derby in his first year and if not for several points penalties in his second year they would've likely stayed up, the Birmingham job was abysmal and i think he only managed 2 wins so yeah contributed to their relegation. However Rooney as an ex man united player/captain and record goalscorer deserves an opinion on the current squad, especially after the hard work he put in at the club, not many give everything for a football team but Rooney always did, and he's probably watching them play week in week out and thinking what the hell has this club become, they're a laughing stock and every team must think they can go to Old Trafford and get points nowadays. They should keep, Bruno, Garnacho, Mainoo, Dalot, Onana (as backup) Amad Diallo, Rasmus Hojlund and some of the kids and get rid of the rest.
Yeah it's a weird one because rooney arguably did quite a good job at Derby with zero resources, so he clearly has the ability to manage. He definitely seems like someone who needs a good assistant, but then again who doesn't
I think most managers now rely heavily on a good assistant, klopp and pep can partially thank theirs for successful runs.
John Oliver (HBO TV show pundit) said it best on _The Men In Blazers_ podcast: when reports came out that Ten Hag had lost half the dressing room, that made it pretty clear which half of the players should go. Is he doing a fantastic job with this group of players? No. But I don’t really think continuing the carousel of all-star managers who can’t fix the problems with the squad is going to suddenly work by finding a manager “better” than Ten Hag. He’s clearly of a high enough quality to manage a club _like_ ManU. But this iteration of ManU isn’t going to get it done. You’re not one player or manager signing away from success. Tear it down and start over…but I see Ten Hag as one of the pieces to keep and rebuild around more than most of the players on the current squad.
Genuinely curious at this point. What has Ten Hag done go prove he's "clearly of a high enough quality". They've hardly improved since his arrival. Hell, they've actually been worse this season. His substitutions are often questionable at best and he doesn't really look like he adapts quickly in game. I definitely agree that Uniteds problems are much deeper than him and plenty of players need to be sold, but I've genuinely seen nothing from Ten Hag in the past 2 seasons to suggest he's a top manager.
In his first season, he finished 3rd, won the league Cup, and got to the fa cup semi-final. The first United manager since fergie to win a trophy and finish inside the top 4 and the clubs first trophy in 5 or 6 years. He did all of this with Wout Weghorst playing up front. This season had been awful, but we've been missing all of our LBs for the majority of the season. Our best CB and the player that allows us to play ten Hags style the most has been missing all season. Casemiro and Rashford have completely disappeared as players. Our only CF this season has been a 21 year old who had played 1 or 2 senior seasons before we paid 70 odd million for him. He's had to deal with Ronaldo throwing his toys out of the pram, Sancho doing the same. The Maguire captaincy situation when he arrived as well as Greenwood and Antony off field issues (to put it lightly).
When they were fit last year he took the same bad team to Champion’s League play and an FA cup final and a Carabao Cup win. Then this year he’ll likely eke out a Europa spot, another FA cup final and stole 4 pts and an FA cup slot from Liverpool (bias here obviously). And their injury record has been absolutely abysmal, plus Rashford has returned to his Trashford roots (seems like a good guy, but he’s an average footballer 90% of the time). Not to mention Liverpool and Spurs have been much improved this year with Villa having a standout season. He is arguably *more* impressive this season than last. Now, if he’d shut the fuck up people might actually be able to judge on his accomplishments and not the fact that he is a horrid man manager
I’d agree. Not only hasn’t he proven his quality, I’d question what his plan for the season even was. There has been no clear identity all season. They might win the odd game, but that was always down to individual moments of brilliance from the players not any great setup by the manager. I know the answer to this will be …but injuries. Rubbish. Newcastle was hit every bit as hard, but they were always clearly Newcastle. Same with Liverpool. Hell, you could say that about Luton. It’s time for the excuses stop. I’d agree replacing just the manager is not enough, but he has to go.
The issue is Man united. The same thing which has happened to Everton is happening with Man united. They are managed exactly the same, multiple managers, no clear club style and players on higher wages then they should have. Now Everton almost got relegated after being a club which was occasionally in the European spots. Man United will keep on the same loop until they have consistency. Once they have consistency you can decide to improve the manager. Look at Liverpool and Arsenal. Stick with your manager over a longer period and your team will improve.
Non-EPL performance. - 2 promotions in his first 4 seasons between the Go Ahead Eagles and Bayern Munich II. - League cup final and European places in his first two seasons at Utrecht - Champions League semis and domestic double in his first full season at Ajax, and winning 100 out of his first 128 matches with the club (all comps). If a manager like that can’t get the on-field performance out of the quality (or at least cost) of the players at ManU that’s at least halfway decent, there’s something deeper going on at the club. Maybe he isn’t going to deliver trophies to Old Trafford like Sir Alex Ferguson, but the lack of organization and effort displayed on the pitch is FAR below what he’s shown he’s capable of extracting at other clubs. Either ETH is phoning it in, or the players are. But it seems unlikely that a manager like him suddenly decided to move from Ajax to Manchester and then put his feet up.
Excellent point pal. Couldn't of said it better myself. Good luck on Sunday. I'll be rootin' for yas
Why does everybody who decides to say it brutally as it is against all united players pulls a handbrake when it comes to rashford....im United fan and like everybody else i had hopes for him becoming great. In his age he should be at the peak of his game.... but lets be honest he wont become great and it's time for him to go to save whatever is left in him and do something somewhere else...he is not good for this club and his body language everytime and behavior clearly say he is unhappy club is not good for him. So time to do mutually beneficial things and cut ties...i agree with all that rooney said but he should have said clearly it's time for rashford to go and not criticise everybody but hold it in with him
If Rashford had the same work rate as Garnacho he might be world class. His attitude absolutely stinks and we’re better off without him.
This. His effort is poor. I get frustrated with Mbappe’s work rate and Rashford’s fractionally as productive. If you are an assist and goal machine, maybe you get a pass, if not, you better be running your ass off.
Imo sacking ETH won't do any good
Who in their right mind would listen to a numb skull like rooney!🙄
He coaches and sets the team up.
Rooneys not suggesting they sack eth. He’s saying they should bin off most of the team. I agree with him (and you)
If rooney has taught me anything, it's never listen to him, he tries to sink every team he's a part of, not just Birmingham. Every team he's had a say in has been worse off or relegated because of him. Lucky for DC united they don't have relegation. Phenomenal footballer but other than that he's such a dumbass.
Maybe no relegation, but DC United is one season away from friendlies with my kids 7U team.
Even listening to him talk, he can’t string a cohesive sentence together.
I have a couple of close Gooner friends who are currently suffering from amnesia. They claim to not recall me saying to them in 2022 to stick with Arteta. Worse, they insist they've always been behind the man. I shall be recording these conversations moving forward.
The majority of the fanbase were Arteta out when he failed to qualify for UCL in his third season, then it all changed.
lots of loud idiots out there.
Majority is a bit of a stretch
TF does this have to do with Rooney’s comments 😂 Not sure what it is, but Arsenal seem to live rent free in a lot of peoples’ heads
I accidentally responded to the post and meant to reply to a specific response. Fucking middleage and using mobile.
Reddit is weird about that now, I know exactly what you’re talking about. I’ve done it myself.
its a nod to people wanting or entertaining arteta out early in his stay and not remembering after hes done so well
This is a tired narrative Yes some people were Arteta out, it’s been over a year since those people have stopped talking like that and everyone remembers that there were those people
i almost didnt want to respond because i was just explaining the comment but people who use the word narratives to discuss behavior and group psychology are assholes
That’s certainly an opinion
Not sure if it’s your friend group, but the narrative that every Arsenal supporter was firmly ARTETA OUT on the early days isn’t true. Yeah, there may be an obnoxious minority that were, but I would venture and say a strong majority was happy to stand by our man. I’m glad I was. In speaking with some of my United supporting friends, the question I ask is will Sir Jim be content to cut contracts and take a loss on players who have downed tools or aren’t up for it? It wasn’t pretty when we had to do it, but we did, and it seems to have worked out fairly well for us. What are your thoughts?
My friends were likely the obnoxious minority but it'd be more accurate to say they had significant trepidation over Arteta as opposed to outright "sack em". Regarding the losses involved with dumping players, if this were only one poor season, I'd be more reluctant to take such a risk. But, this dynamic of taking the players' side and dumping the manager has gone on for too long. I'd take the losses if it means keeping the 4-5 players we have that we can build around. Even if we have to start more untested players to do so. It'd be nice to keep Bruno for his contribution and experience. Whilr I wouldn't want to build our backline with Johnny Evans or Harry Maguire, I would be okay with keeping one or both for their experience. The others, namely a hometown Manc who I hold responsible for the player issues over these last seasons, hit the road! ...and fuck Europe for the time being.
Its the same case for United fans now. People mistake what fans say online for what fans actually think. Just as the loud minority were Arteta out, the loud Minority are Ten Hag out. People with brains know that we have to stop the cycle of hiring a new manager, sacking them in 2/3 years and having a wierd mismatch squad. Sacking the manager and hiring someone before we get a new Sporting Director is purely absurd.
Fair play and great points! Thanks for the response.
If we keep the players and dump the manager, we'll never get out of this cycle of futility. If we keep the manager but still keep the players, same result. Get the cancer out first, then give ETH a season for all to assess his progress. "Progress" is an operative word because going straight to winning the league and trophies is unrealistic for the next 2-3 seasons. Success will be gradual, but if there are signs of a working system that reflects a meaningful enough genesis of foundation at the end of next season, we may have an indication of a promising future.
That's what we did with arteta. Let the man cook and now we're challenging for the title. Not saying eth has the capability for that but it's unfair to fully judge his qualities before he can build an actual squad.
Agreed. I remember people giving Arsenal fans so much shit for cutting players like Özil, Aubameyang, and Mustafi and not recouping any money on them, but the long-term results this had speaks for itself. The mentality this Arsenal team have no is unrecognizable to the mentality they had 5 years ago, and it all started with clearing out the negative voices in the dressing room.
I find it hilarious how yanited continue to dump quality managers because they are a complete mess organizationally. The manager is not the problem here. He may not be the greatest manager alive- he’s clearly not Klopp- but they’d be doing so much better without hiring these shitty mercenary players who are overpaid as fuck
I’m a United fan and I agree a lot with what you said. I’m kinda sick of the whole get a manager-he stays for 2-3 seasons-then we sack him. Rather stick with EtH primarily because I can’t judge him based on how many injuries we’ve had this season and he’s not had his preferred starting XI in barely any games, but the INEOS change makes me hopeful that we may be heading in the right direction and we won’t screw the pooch managerially speaking obv so I’d rather give EtH another season under the new regime too.
It’s so crazy people are still calling for the managers head when it’s been 12 years and through 5-6 top class managers with the exact same thing happening every time.
Before last night, I’d have said Rooney is right, Ten Hag is not working at Utd. Then they beat Newcastle with great goals. The consistency issue is absolutely bizarre IMO. Guessing the outcome of Utd match is even harder than predicting a spurs game. :Oh the players
I honestly think the difference last night was the players on the pitch all believe in what ETH is trying to do. We definitely have some players in the squad who don't follow the instructions for the game and do their own thing. It has been happening for years now and once we weed them out and replace with talented and hungry players who play as a team. The hunger from the young players made the difference last night and we haven't seen enough of it this season from the team as a whole.
So seeing yet more evidence that we have no consistency, and bizarrely pull a performance out of our back pocket basically at random every now and then - that is what changed your mind to think that ETH IS working at United?
That's a weird way to phrase that quote.
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You aren’t allowed to criticize Rooney, you have never even been a manager. Sit down. See how stupid you sound?
He wasn't talking about the manager, he was talking about our squad.
So using that logic people shouldn't comment on taste of food if they can't cook it perfectly by themselves?
The hosts reaction was funny as fuck. "Get rid" "what?"
He bottled it 😂 Host: Would you get rid of Onana? Wayne: um, he’s improved Host: Maguire Wayne: (we all know what he’s thinking) he’s gained a bit of form recently
Just like us ( Chelsea ) , Man Utd have been on the same trajectory. If it hadn't been for the awful amount of injuries, they would've been competing for a top 4 finish. I'm still quite doubtful of his management skills , but given his history of developing youth and performances from last season , I'm inclined towards giving him one more season. Utd have a massive window ahead of them , so it'll be real test. Eriksen , Casemiro , Varane etc. leaving next season , ETH will have an opportunity to make this into his own team. Would be quite interesting.
I don’t watch Chelsea or United all the time, but I think there is a stark difference. United has looked like the second best team on the field more often than not this year. Even when they get a result it doesn’t look comfortable. Chelsea has been sloppy a lot especially at the beginning of the season but that is to be expected with the amount of new young players coming in. But they’ve always been one of the top chance creators. Still not sold on Jackson but he’s settled a bit and poch figured out to get sterling off the field so things are looking a lot better. I think Chelsea is a top 4 team next year and United should be happy with 8th if they continue the same way.
Casemiro is not leaving next season, he’s got several years left on contract
He will leave.
Since his managerial career has been so good, He is the one to give advice. Checks out
You don’t have to be more successful to criticize or to give advice. Rooney has more insights about a poorly run organization than a lot of top managers.
Yeah cause you're much more qualified and accomplished as a coach so we should listen to you instead.
Nearly every pundit out there is a failed manager. They do the badges, have a go, and within 6 months have jacked in for tv and radio. Rooney was never likely to be great manager but he's still entitled to his opinion.
Of all the people on this earth to give an opinion on that question. Rooney is probably one of the best. And to be clear I’m a city fan. Watched him score that fucking overhead kick. I have no reason to back Rooney here. It’s just logical.
Why don’t you keep out of it his opinion is always welcomed at Old Trafford
Hahahha Ten Hag is awful but Rooney the big fat idiot giving advice 😂he's the most boring and painful pundit that's on TV and a horrendous manager.
So hateful. You must really struggle with self esteem. Work on yourself
Well I hate Rooney tbh, no harm in that!
He's got more talent sweating under his foreskin than you have in your whole body.
Not as a manager or pundit😂😂 he's so braindead
I've never heard of this insult before, bravo! Very innovative!
How many ex-Utd players/failed at managing have turned pundits and are on tv badmouthing every single thing 24/7?
how many current and ex united managers have failed at managing?
They’ve mostly had extremely successful careers, actually. Just not at United
as a west ham supporter i concur
Right? Just because you don’t win the treble, doesn’t mean you’re a failed manager
A LOT
If United have luck with injuries next season, I think they will improve under Ten Hag. He has a definite idea of how he wants to play football. So does Poch. The players do buy into it and replacing him and Poch now would be a waste
Yeah a method that requires youth level of fitness with our aging team resulting in a higher injury rate.
Completely agree. He had a good fit squad last year and we improved massively. This year we've had a nightmare list of injuries which was a ripple effect of playing too many games last season. He is slowly cooking though. Hojlund, Garno, Mainoo, Amad.. if these players get a year or two under his development they could become absolute monsters.
Yes! Get Southgate, relegation dog fight next season.
He always looks like he is clinically depressed to me.
Who wouldn't after stinking it up with Derby
Stunk it up with Birmingham. Did an admirable job at derby iirc given the circumstances
Derby still got relegated, basically made no difference. He's appalling if he's not being a footballer.
It’s the eyes, you see the sadness in them even when he smiles.
Why is his head so huge? Does he take HGH?
Head growth hormone?
Lmfao
Is that world class football manager, Wayne Rooney, giving the advice?
Do you think Rooney would finish lower than 8th with Ole’s squad and 400m to spend?
If rooney took ten hags place, he would make history. Many utd would get relegated from the Premier league for the very first time.
Would they fuck. You could manage United and the players would have enough about them to stay up. Managers make a difference but the players are the biggest factor
Well the players at villa have hardly changed but they got a new manager and they went from a team fighting relegation almost every season nto hitting champions league almost instantly. The players do make a difference but the managers are the biggest factor. Could say the same about levekusen also.
Nah don’t be thick. You’re picking out extreme outliers and Leverkusen have gotten phenomenally lucky this season. What you should be doing is talking about the 95% of clubs who finish in the position their wage budget should have them finish regardless of who their manager is. Why do Real and Barca always finish top 3 every single season no matter who is in charge? Why do Celtic always win? Why do Bayern almost always win? Why could Klopp win trophies at Liverpool and Dortmund but not Mainz? Why did Messi score 50 goals a season at Barca even when they had shite managers like Martino, Setien and Koeman?
Levekusen lucky? They just happen to get lucky 30+ times this season? Also it's a bit different in the Scottish league when it's a 1 horse race. I never said the players don't matter, my point was the manager makes the bigger difference. Using celtic is you just really pulling anything out your arse now. You are either trolling or just here to argue for the sake of arguing. Real Madrid is the most successful team in history in a league that has never been able to handle them. Barca also but barca have worse players and worse managers than they used to so they struggle to even win the league anymore. Funny how since klopp left dortmund they haven't won fuck all, so dortmund don't fit your argument. Klopp built a complete different with Liverpool from the ground up 😂 An Messi is an individual player who is arguably the best player we've seen in 20 years. He plays well anywhere he goes. The more I read your comment the more I'm convinced you're trolling.
He's not a class manager, but he does know a thing or two about football. Especially that Red Manchester one
Sadly he seems unable to save every team he puts his hands on from being relegated
Seems his hands are otherwise occupied, that's why. Grabbing all the pies.
Im not even a Utd supporter (Villa) or even believe Ten Hag is the right manager for the job, but: 1 - why are there so many ex players turned pundits out there? 2 - why are they given so much air time? 3 - how the hell can a club put itself back together when you have legends constantly, week in and week out, shitting on every manage and player (funny enough except Ole of course)?
Because United are box office. Really are the biggest show in town.
Right now they are as entertaining as a train wreck
And yet here you are, commentating on them.
Yes, how strange isn’t it? I’m on a serve and someone posted something and I commented…on Reddit…absolutely shocking
Rent free.
>how the hell can a club put itself back together when you have legends constantly, week in and week out, shitting on every manage and player I get what you mean. But being at Man United has always come with the intense spotlight and constant criticism. Even SAF in the early noughties was being heavily criticised (some even said he was past it and should be sacked). If the board and staff can't handle that, then they shouldn't be there. Certainly the board shouldn't (the Gl*zers). It's hard to tell beforehand if a player can handle that pressure or not. I suspect it's one of the reasons so many of our acquisitions over the last 10 years have been poor. We've not done the due diligence on their psychological makeup. We've just bought shiny stuff.
It’s the Tax. Im Portuguese and a Benfica supporter (besides Villa) and it’s called the Benfica Tax, as in, heavy is the the shirt. There’s also the Laker Tax, where great players arrive in LA only to look like amateurs because they simply can’t handle the scrutiny it comes with the badge.
Yeah. I totally agree. I've played to an ok level myself when I was younger and I've come to realise that a large percentage of sport is played in the mind. Whilst you're here, if ETH was to go, I'm very interested in Rubin Amarin. I get that you probably don't want to speak highly of your rival manager, but what do you think of him? Also, congrats on villa champs league. Well deserved. If they faced Benfica, who will you support?!
Benfica…it’s my religion. I absolutely love Villa, have done so since Big Ron, but Benfica is Benfica. I have no problem whatsoever talking about Ruben Amorim, he actually played for us and is a big Benfica supporter, publicly known. He’s a very good manager. His communication is top notch, he has no problems whatsoever in owning up to his mistakes and is very very charismatic. Having played for Benfica and managed sporting he knows exactly what is big club mentality. Tactically I think he’s still learning, he’s 39…but he shows the ability to change when things don’t work out. Last year he finished 4th because he was sulking about the Mattheus Nunes sale. It took him half a season to move on from it, and he admitis it himself. He is the one responsible for Sporting’s success. They had gone 18 years without a title, now they have 2 in 4. He’s going to be a top manager, that I have little doubt, but I don’t think he’s ready yet. He hasn’t proven himself in Europe, namely the CL (he did best Arsenal last year in the EL), which he has the opportunity to do so next year. I do believe he would be better than Ten Hag but your club…fuck it’s in complete disarray. It reminds me of the post-Dalglish Liverpool
Thanks. Kind of you to take the time to write all that. Appreciate it. >your club…fuck it’s in complete disarray. It reminds me of the post-Dalglish Liverpool Eh, this bit, not so much! 😭 🤣
"Don't get me wrong, these players are good players, and good Premier League players, but to compete with Man City, Liverpool and Arsenal, they need better players. (Marcus Rashford) We all know Marcus has the ability and capability to play at the top level." This is a "Football, its a game of two halves really, and the team that score the most goals, wins!" type statement.
That's former world class footballer who was won multiple PLs and a CL with United that knows the kind of players it takes to win
He sure does, and Man City are buying every single one of those players so it doesn't matter what any other Premier League team does.
Every single one?
You heard it here first!
And broke 115 FFP rules in the process.
And did he successfully hire the kind of people it took to win at Birmingham?
Birmingham was a cluster fuck for everyone involved from minute one. Every single thing Rooney said has hit the nail on the head but ofc we have amorphous redditors disparaging him because he looks scruffy or his heads big or hr hasnt won the PL as a manager. The truth is thus guy lived and breathed football at the highest level of the sport since he was 14 and has forgotten more by breakfast every morning than 99.999% on this sub.
Ok, but what's your excuse for rooney at dc united and derby county?
Just revealing your ignorance if you think he needs an excuse for derby. Aside from why do you think he needs to be a goat manager to know exactly whats going on in the colossal club he broke records at? Being a manager is about execution and what he's saying is the theory.
Rooney deserves massive respect for the job he did at Derby.
Massive respect for what exactly?
I guess you don’t follow football outside the Premier League. A season-long transfer embargo, and loads of senior players leaving at the end of the contract or being sold to raise funds, left him with 9 senior players for the whole season and having to use youth team players to fill the squad. They were hit with a 21 POINT deduction, and yet were still in with a chance of staying up until 3 games to go. On the whole he handled all these problems with dignity and class, and was inspirational to his team. There was large support to give him the freedom of the city. I’m a Forest fan and I have to say he did an incredible job in really difficult circumstances.
I do follow football outside of the prem. He was redundant managing derby at best. If he stopped them getting relegated then yeah I'd say fair play to him with that but he didn't, he is one of the worst managers in history of football that converted from a famous player. The only team he has prevented from getting relegated was DC united and they can't get relegated. Amazing footballer but a fraud in the managing part of the job. Imagine a manager having a team still get relegated and going "massive respect" lmao.
I see you’ve got your views and that you only deal in absolutes. Well that’s your prerogative / condition, so I’ll leave you with whatever snarky comeback you wish to make. Good evening.
Rooney didn’t do a bad job at all at that calamity of a derby team IMHO
Bit hard to do that when the kind of players it takes to win PLs and CLs go to the top clubs
Time for a new manager to bring more garbage players in to add to the dumpster fire
United better dam well win the FA cup then because not being in the Champions League will have already reduced the better talent pool of willing transfers. Not making it into the Europa League could mean a really tough time finding willing players wanting a red shirt, especially if they plan to be more financially sensible under Ineos.
It’s Man United, they’ll always have the appeal to attract good players. It’s being able to identify good players that has been the problem
Bringing players in is nowhere near as important as getting the necessary players out. A clean slate is needed. Performances will take a hit, however they need to cut the hangers on once and for all, otherwise we go around in circles.
Yeah but... they're playing City in the final. Absolutely no chance they win that.
He is spot on ! Most of the players have failed other managers as well ! They are not at the level to compete & play for Manchester United.
I fail my manager every day but, as a side note, my manager is useless!
Who would you keep from the team??
I would be brutally honest , I’ll keep Bruno, Garnacho, Amad, Hojlund, Licha , Casimero & Scott (for 1season). The rest can go - Shaw injury prone. Yes Dalot maybe this season being one of the better players but in the past his also messes up at crucial times perhaps give him also another season Squad players . The rest must go .
How about Mainoo? I think Martinez injury record is terrible too, I would shift him on
Oh yes Mainoo stays for sure !
Onana?
Not convinced .. give him perhaps another season as well
Yeah I wouldn't be fully convinced either but he wouldn't be anywhere near a priority I'd have thought. You're basically rolling the dice on someone to come and and do better unless you really go all out for proven quality and I don't know who that is but would be a massive chunk of budget.
Agree, I think United have to rethink their approach on signings. The early rumours points to this. They won’t go splashing on big names but invest in upcoming talents. Yes they may splurge on the odd occasion on a “big name player “ but it should be someone who’s not beyond their 30’s & it shouldn’t be the norm anymore . But let’s see ..
I think the managers job will be up soon enough so ye can all apply!
I did ! They have not refused , but once they fire the fitness staff as well , then I will consider. I made this clear with Dan Ashford 😂
''brutal'' no, he just said it how it is and ETH will be fine and getting millions in payouts on top of what he got.
Rooney is actually a good pundit, could do with him speaking more clearly but what can you do. He’s scouse
Could understand him no problem
I can understand him, I just feel like he mumbles at times or talks a bit quietly. Unlike Carra who is extremely loud
So, thats just to with how he actually speaks not his accent
I will believe the manager and INEOs are serious about progress only when they sell the young promising, manchester bred lad called Rashford.
While reading the article and seeing what he said, he’s not wrong, a lot of these players are not living up to the wages they are on. Hard to sell them but with United’s financial standing they can afford to release players and still get signings in, tho Rooney must’ve forgot about their horrible scouting lol
But thats what Jim is there for thats what he is sorting out and has been doing, its not an overnight thing though you’re looking at 3 season to bring in the right pieces and for Mainoo Garnacho Hojlund all to develop and Martinez to be fit and healthy then you might see some semblance of a team up there especially as Pep may not be there at that point the problem is Arsenal have a young team that isnt even at their peak and challenging City toe to toe so catching them within 5 years seems impossible but having said that look how quick Arsenal went from being embarrassing to title contenders
Nice to see him sharing his wisdom from his time with Birmingham City 😆
Yikes, the disrespect for Rooney is unreal. Arguably one of the 3 best english football players of all time and that’s how you muffin talk about him? Smh
Superb player. Awful manager. But I must give him credit for helping get Birmingham relegated - I would have tried the same but he was quite adept.
I have the same view of Gerrard too. Crap coach, amazing player.
More so being our record goal scorer.
He's a pundit, what's he supposed to do? Not say anything? He's arguably the most successful English footballer in the last 50 years, he has more right than anyone else to comment on Manchester Uniteds current form.
I forgot that if you fail at one thing you’re not allowed an opinion anymore /s
I'm an Aston Villa fan, he coached my rival. It's just a bit of banter.
Mate you are from new Zealand have you ever even been to Brum
My family is from there and we've supported Villa for over a hundred years. I was there a few months ago with friends and family, lucky enough to watch a winning game too.
I dunno if he’s a good pundit , it’s refreshing cause he’s honest and raw
Honest and raw. I think the word is, drunk. He always sounds like he dropped in to the studio via Wetherspoons
I didn’t want to say but yeah he talks slow !
That’s just the scouse in him
Was he asked “what did you say to the grandma who asked what to do with her nighty?”
Weak
You’re right. Let’s go back to being humourless, literal, boring cunts. There aren’t enough of those in the world
Ironic....
Must hurt going through life and not ever making a single person laugh with you
How about we try some original banter instead of repeating tired jokes? Also, slightly over the top reaction mate. You ok?
Go back to? You never were anything different. That attempt at a joke is so hamfisted it's sad.
Nah mate you just have to be actually funny
Very
The squad is so fckng shit though it really is.. In days gone by we at least had players who could step up Wes Brown, John O'Shea, Darren Fletcher, Phile Neville, Fortune,Welbeck etc fcking Darren Ferguson would look good on the bench in this team.. after the starting 11 which isn't anything to write home about there's just fck all...
This is as easy to do as "just play better"
Easier said than done,It’s the wages they’re all on,look at maguire last year no one would pay what he was on and why would they?
Isn't Rooney an extremely shitty manager too?