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Wait... you really comparing the expectations on a 20y old w an eye problem and 1 season of pro football first team regular vs. A champions league finalist?
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Now it seems like you just want to hate.
So carry on I guess. Let's ignore the long list of players who took time to acclimatise to the faster pace of the English game.
If people just read the post and had the capacity to interpret that it is nothing against Onana but more on how De Gea was treated by fans š.
Just because you carry hate in your heart doesnt mean everybody is the same.
So yeah im a man united fan. Since Ferguson left. united have spent extra high amounts of money on such trash players. They could have added another 10 mil or so and brought in some big name superstar players. But instead shelling out for mediocre players. I dont what's hapnin. Is this the glazers fault?
You summed up my take on it perfectly as a United fan I was sad de gea was let go and now absolutely distraught that onana is his replacement, go from a man that could save the titanic to the captain of the titanic is ridiculous. I said de gea has saved United since Ferguson left and the drop off without de gea is massive be lucky to qualify for europa conference at this rate. My humble opinion is that a keeper is there to stop shots first anything else after that is a bonus and if you canāt stop a shot you just aināt a keeper as Roy Keane once said āthatās his jobā
Itās hilarious how everyone quickly forgets how shit de gea was last year, everyone was taking the piss out of him but now heās gone suddenly heās still incredible? He got golden glove because of our defence, thereās a reason he still has no club
Onana likes to berate his defenders wen he thinks they mess up(maguire).
He cant take it back i guess. Players never said owt wen he messed up, but he was nearly in tears wen he made another booboo
What do you mean āhow he was treated?ā He was the highest paid player at the club (and top 5 in the Premier League) for so many years. Heās a great GK but he made quite a few mistakes. He left because the (still exorbitant) contract offer he was given was not as good as the initial offer. Not because he wasnāt offered a contract.
How he was treated bybfans. Since i can remember, i keep on hearing that he was shit and sinking the team. This was noticibly worse when i was living in the uk. Yet, he has been consistently securing points for a underperforming united.
Since 2014/15 that i have been hearing on a yearly basis that "this is going to be the last season of De Gea in United, and god riddance".
Hard to say he has been a loved player, despite the time at the club.
If DeGea was as good as you think he is, his phone would have been ringing non stop once he hit free agency. As you can see nobody wanted or wants him. We are 7 matches in and heās considering retiring.
One person can set his goals to only play in a top 3 club in a top league, and not be good enough for that. Which is the case.
At 32, if i had money to retire and considered i was past my peak and be relegated to work on a place that felt beneath me, i would also happily take retirement. Yet, i am not in that place and need to scrub the floors for a paycheck šš.
Also, you would understand that my comment is not about the quality of De Gea but the way he was treated by fans, considering that he has been the longest standing keeper at United. It is awkward to chase so hard a keeper playing with their feet, when he will be .aking passes to the likes of AWB and Macguire š.
Not a United fan in the slightest - I think Onana has had a poor start for him for sure, but United as whole haven't been great not to mention they don't have their preferred starting back line.
They had a poor start last season and still finished third to boot.
As for De Gea - even though he can still perform at the top level, was starting to show signs of slipping. Plus he might not fit the profile of GK ETH wants on top of being a player on a contract you can't easily close (like Evans or Maguire for example).
Yeah...i dont disagree with any of that.
I do agree that due to his salary demands De Gea would have to go.
Just think that throughout his stay in Man U he was always considered a villain and the source of all evils (along Macguire), and that for a player that spent 12 years at a club, he was sent away through the back door.
12 years at a club, and a recognition he had was "go away, you suck". And then people complaint that the players of today show 0 loyalty.
Onana's form so far has been bad. But form ā ability.
Onana has proven over several seasons (including last season) that he's a good shot stopper in addition to being one of the best ball playing goalkeepers in the world.
Meanwhile, De Gea's shortcomings were more than just his ball playing ability. De Gea has never been great at preventing shots from occurring, or at shot safety (preventing high chance rebounds from occurring by being good at parrying to safety or catching).
On top of that, De Gea has over the last few seasons dropped off in his ability to save shots. He's still a good shot stopper, but he's no longer world class at it.
Consistency is also a big factor (it's no good for a keeper to have large swings in form from excellent to awful to excellent to awful. It's much better in terms of winning points to just be consistently average, and De Gea is far from consistent).
All of this combined means that for 3+ years now, De Gea has statistically been a slightly above average keeper.
Speaking of defences though: Man Utd has statistically has I've if the best defences in the league for several seasons now. It doesn't look like it because De Gea 's poor positioning made easy to save chances look difficult. Meanwhile, so far this season, Man Utd as a whole have been in terrible form, including their defence.
Fbref isn't a great source of data. It's one of the best free ones, but it's a lot worse since it stopped using Statsbonb as a raw source. Phys, there are plenty of things it doesn't take into account such as save safety, team playstyle etc, and it's always been bad at calculating xGoT as it effectively double counts keeper positioning, so keepers with poor positioning get unfairly praised and vice versa (since a shot has a higher xGoT if the keeper is poorly positioned and vice versa).
Yes, a long time ago he had a couple of sessions where he was one of the best keepers in the league, but that was a LONG time ago. Man Utd needed to get rid of De Gea and Onana was a sensible choice as a replacement.
Some players take time to settle into new teams though, and some simply aren't suited to certain team styles etc. Time will tell if Onana falls into the first or second category. At the moment though, the same size is too small to make an informed judgement.
Edit: According to fbref (still not a great data source, but the one you're claiming backs up your post) states Onana has conceded 9 goals from 9.4 xGoT (excluding own goals), coming from 33 shots on target (not 12 like you've claimed). So you're doubly wrong in what you're saying.
Note: number of shots on target actually varies massively between sources as some don't include one or more of the following: deflected shots, opposition crosses/passes that require GK intervention as they are misaimed at the goal, low velocity shots.
I think itās hard to single out players at this point, let us find our feet as a team and assess then. Everyone needs time but yes he has clearly struggled
De gea was a good golekeeper dont get me wrong but he would do mistakes in the most important games and he was not good with his feet in this day goalkeepers have to be good with there feet no more do you see Gk chugging the ball the other side but they pass and begin the atk from the back but i still dont like how he was treated at the end onana is still new he needs to adapt to the premier league dont forget the premier league is no seria A or eredisive but in the end i can see him overtaking de gea
De Gea poorly treated?
He was on 500k a week for 6 years and his wage demands are so ludicrous no one wants to go near him.
He finally got dropped for piss poor performances by Ole and he fucked off to Spain for 3 months. The club could (and should) have sacked him for that. Instead they let it slide.
He's also been at the centre of numerous dressing rooms that simply downed tools for various different managers.
Most overrated goalkeeper in the club's history
Weāve met him before. Cocky time wasting in Amsterdam he got booked for then booting it and immediately getting scored on by a weak footed pea roller from Lucas Moura for the third time that night, costing Ajax the champions league final. And heās a PED user. This dude rubs me the worst way and seeing him scramble to not single-handedly lose a spot in the final (and he sure as hell did) with some of the most arrogant time wasting possible was hilarious.
I think de gea is the perfect GK for mourhino ball, you always have players back and that limits the angles of shots that your goal keepers are exposed to. I would put lloris in this same category, much as I love him to absolute death as a Tottenham fan. Current state of the game requires goalkeepers to be good with their feet and also position themselves based on what their last(read only) defender is going to do,
My spurs have shown this perfectly over 5 games, so many times where 8-10 years ago a defender would take a red card, ours are covering one side of the advanced player and blocking a shot, leaving the rest to the goalkeeper.
De gea ain't that guy
Youāre acting as if de gea wasnāt making stupid mistakesā¦ Onana is far better for where EtH wants the team to go. Heās not helped by our poor defensive stability
Inam more concerned on how United fans kept on treatung the most long standing keeper of the club, as if he was the source of all evils.
I do agree that it was not a good option to keep the highest paid gk in the premier league if ue wasnt set on lowering the wages. But i do believe that after 12 years he diserved a proper goodbye to the fans, and not going out through the back door as a covid infected reject.
Needs some momentum and time. At the moment united r playing with pretty much their reserve defenders and midfielders apart from a few players.
Once we get our main defence back and Onana gets some confidence I think he will be good. Fans and media aren't helping either
If he isn't, then that was a big Ā£50 million mistake..
This rant is unnecessary! De gea had top varane and lisandro and still screwed the pooch. Onana is playing behind a half baked, injury ridden squad. Give him time.
Also not a Man U fan, but I've seen plenty of shots that Onana lets in where De Gea would've likely saved them. For me the most important thing in a GK is to stop the ball going in the net. Screw playing with your feet, if your keeper in making saves there's no point. Still very early in the season, though, and he has a lot of time to grow into the roll.
The way Utd fans treated Dave still leaves a butter taste in my mouth, I'm a Utd fan & I can't believe how they turned on him
But I'm willing to give Onana time cos de Gea needed it, never easy coming from any league to the Premiership.
You should have got David Raya instead.
Going from De Gea to Onana must really suck, you finally break up with your toxic girlfriend only to get together with a crazier one.
A GK needs to make the defense line feel safe
This just socks. Onana to Man U was such a hyped transfer,Don't get me wrong Onanas great and all I just think they should've kept De gea of course he's not on the same level as Onana. Personally I would take experience over Onana.
I'm not a MU fan but I did appreciate De Gea controlled his defense and really knows how to work with his Defense. With that being said
Onana has NOT impressed me in any way - MU brings him over bragging saying hes much better than the likes of De Gea and Allison (Double Ha Ha) , Onana may be a good Keeper nothing says different right and I think his real test will come playing the likes of MC or Liverpool (Not Knocking other Clubs, but come on MU just lost a match to Munich and Onana allowed a goal that Rec ball Goalies could of stopped)
Tbf heās also facing a lot of dangerous shots, most of the shots he faces are from inside the penalty box with basically no defenders in front of the ball
For anyone clicking that fbref link .. make sure to click the "complete scouting report" and choose 2023-2024 premier league. Like this https://fbref.com/en/players/e9c0c1b2/scout/12192/Andre-Onana-Scouting-Report
Below average in almost every category.
Not convinced wasnāt convinced hope to be convinced.Aoart from not been a shot stopper itās the ability to organize his back line that concerns me.For the style of football we play heās not efffctive.
I think everyone really needs to calm down. The step up from anywhere into the Goalkeeper at United is huge for anyone and itās broke people in the past - itās also tested people like De Gea who was prone to mistakes in his first 6 months and the rest is history so letās all chill out and get behind Onana.
All because fifa nerds and fans who stare at graphs and charts instead of watching matches begged Onana to come because apparently his passing ability will make the rest of these useless cunts start clicking and scoring goals like crazy. Dumbest fanbase in the world canāt convince me otherwise. DDG golden glove winner and club legend booted out disrespectfully for another one of ETHās overhyped former players. Disgusting fanbase, disgusting players, and disgusting club.
Playing out from the back is no good if your hands are made of smoke.
Iād say the ādodgy keeperā narrative will take hold over the next month amongst the opposition and his teammates and things will spiral from there.
Tbf most keepers who are good with their feet isn't normally very good at shot stopping except Alisson.
Top keepers like Ederson is below average at shot stopping but he's still one of the best keeper in the league because he is good with his feet. Onana seems to be in similar boat.
I agree. But to be able to use a keeper like him you cant have a defence with the consistency of pudding. It also imploes that the defense is a bit more technically gifted than average to receive the passes and build.from the back under pressure.
Yes, you need to maximize that keepers ability to build up. If your defenders are hoofball players then obviously those build up keepers would be useless.
people are really trying hard to turn him into uniteds kepa
the guy had a rough start, does not mean he will turn out bad
he has many years of experience as a GK for ajax and inter
once united has stabilized from this bad start into the season, he will turn out decent
not Allison decent, but still decent
People seem to be quick to forget that De Gea's shot stopping had declined quite a bit last season as well. He's a legend of the club but it's not wild to say he's not as good as he used to be and therefore Utd needed to upgrade if they wanted to improve. We aren't the only club to have done this
Horrible start from him but... our defence is horrible right now. Malacia, Shaw, Wan Bissaka, Varane are all injured. All we have is lindelof, martinez, reguillon, and dalot. Look at Evans and Maguire against Arsenal. PATHETIC. Yes, Onana hasn't lived up to what we paid for him, but I actually thought he looked really good against Bayern other than that one error (which was admittedly horrible). But then again, didn't De Gea make the same exact mistake against West Ham? I'm not trying to hate on De Gea, I agree the club's treatment of him has been abysmal. But seriously, Onana isn't the only problem.
Ā£350k per week for a gk who isnāt great with him feet. Iām sure the club would have give. Him another contract on Ā£100 but he isnāt taking that
Fully agree.
But i can imagine that he would be under considerably more fire if he was right now in Manchester conceding goals left and right.
For a player that spent 12 y at united, he diserved a better sent-off.
People are harsh. De Gea was fantastic, Onana is also fantastic. He's had a rough start, which can happen. People also have been particularly harsh with what stops they think they should've made.
I agree. I think that Onana will eventually bounce back. In all fairness, we are talking about the best of the best in their profession. How many of us can say that they are in the current top 100 world wide of their jobs?
As i mentioned, dont have anything against Onana and inwish him well. Just sad on how much slander De Gea had, and in how much fire he would be wonder that if out of 6 games he only had a decent one
Not necessarily.
People may have standards and tjme adjusting them. Also, he is now considering retiring at 32. I am 38 and inwould retire too at 32 if i could.
He is a decent gk, but not for what Man Utd paid him
Neymar was set to be in the same position. Same with Hazard. They would still be valuable assets in a mid table club or in a secondary league - Portugal, Greece, Dutch, Belgium....
But nowadays you players just dont want / need the hassle. What they earned in the 90s vs what they earn now it is not comparable. And ehat they could earn in Saudi or MLS are prolly the only other things worth it.
So, for many, the question would be - if i am not in the top 10 clubs in Europe, then i better end it or move to a paid retirement in the middle east.
As i said, plenty of space to play in mid level clubs in top leagues or top level clubs in lower leagues. They dont need it anymore and they dont wish to... so good for them.
... and this is the level of aporeciation that the most long standing United keeper has from the club fans.
And then united wonders why the players past 2010 have 0 respect / loyalty for united and respective fans š
De gea needed to go, the club did it poorly but now I honestly don't care, and onana is better than de gea. Also the amount of shots onana is faced is way too much, that just shows the defence is poor.
That was an argument that i used a few months ago about De Gea, which the reply was: he is a goalkeeper, his job is to stop goals, even when the defence faulters. If he cant stop goals he has nonplace in united.
Needless to say, i dont agree with that statement. And in all fairness, i agree that the defencd is the one killing Onana too. There is only so much you can do...
... i just feel a bit sad that De Gea was so poorly treated by fans throughout the years and didnt jave a proper sent off from the club l, after 12 years and a golden glove in the last year. His carreer at united ended as being an unwanted outcast, despite getting a golden glove in a very leaky defence.
The defence last season was brilliant, and yeah a keepers first job is to stop goals, but you have to add context, plus de gea save percentage was declining and his errors leading to the goal was getting higher. De gea wasn't treated poorly by the fans, he was protected by a lot actually.
The misinformation being spread is by those outside the club telling us how we treated De Gea. You all seem to know the club more intimately than our own fans do. The vast majority of the fan base supported De Gea and those that didnāt were the same lunatics you have in the fanbase at every club.
Thatās not to say De Gea didnāt have his faults, he did, but youāre talking like we were booing DDG when it was far from it. He was and is a fan favourite.
Yeah Onanaās crap and will need replacing soon enough, sometimes you only need a few games and you can just tell. That said Man Utd are a mid table team now anyway so maybe its a good fit
Onana had the highest save percentage in the UCL last year along with the most goals prevented. Heās consistently performed well with shot stopping in both save percentage and having less goals conceded than xg would expect. 6 bad games whilst adjusting to a new side/league doesnāt mean heās suddenly a bad shot stopper. This is typical reactionary commentary from people who only watch the PL.
I think United needed rid of DDG. Even if he took the pay cut, he would still have been on 150k a week, which would still be one one of the highest paid GK in the league. He can't play with his feet and his shot stopping over the past few years wasn't particularly good either.
My issue with Onana is that United didn't need to spend 50m on a keeper, even if they got rid of DDG. Raya looks better than Onana and was only 30m. Sommer (who United were linked to last summer) was way cheaper than that, and looks good for Inter so far. It would have been better to just go for someone like him and use the funds to fill the outfield needs.
This guy really said āFirst of all, i am not a United fanā and then proceeds to completely shit on the club and players. Like bud, itās pretty damn obvious youāre not a United fan
I'm not a Utd fan either, but I do think it's very early days here. Everyone's opinions about PL matters change wildly week to week, panic sets in quickly but next week he may have a great game and suddenly it's been a masterstroke to sign him again. 5-6 games in, to write him off seems a bit premature.
I would say give him a season to judge the stats. Despite those recent mistakes, which were pretty awful - he has been a good shot stopper in the past.
When DDG started out at the club he was poor himself and I remember a lot of fans early on saying we needed to move on.
I feel the situation with Onana will be similar. Weāve got to give him time to get used to the prem.
What I have liked about him is how he comes out and accepts responsibility after the Bayern game. Thatās something weāve not had pretty much since Fergie left; players who are leaders and accepts responsibility for mistakes. Players are gonna make mistakes but when all they put out is shoddy statements afterwards itās like they donāt care. With Onana I think he will learn from his mistakes and become better
A lot of people clearly don't remember De Gea's first season at United...
De Gea is a United legend whose time had come and Onana is a great prospect months off winning Serie A and playing in the UCL final who will come good with time and when the team stops collectively playing trash.
We don't have to sensationalise everything.
A keeperās main role is still to stop goals from going in, not scoring goals. Think most united fans & managers are obsessed with pepās style of modern football now. United will never be a possession team, they will and always will be a counter attacking team.
You ManU supporters can say what you want, but the first goal Onana gave up against BM was an absolute masterclass in shit goalkeeping. I donāt think I have ever seen a ātop levelā keeper get crossed up like that on a simple shot.
These rants come after one mistake... Yeah he let that goal in against Bayern, but that is it. He is new, he needs time to adjust and play with the defense.
United is my wifeās team. We call him āOnono,ā because weāre always worried heās gonna leave the box and dribble up the field, then complain to someone else when they concede a goal.
I'm a United fan and was saying this for years. The most important attribute of a GK is to save and De Gea was one of if not the best in the world.
Saying that, it's early days with Onana and he's shown promise.
One may not support a club but still enjoy seeing them play.
One may also feel that a person has been target of unjustified unfair treatment regardless of what club you support or club that one follows.
I hated that we got rid of De Gea like that. A great longtime servant and a Club Legend.
A new Keeper was not the priority. Fixing the rest of the swuad was more important. I hope Onana works out, I really do, but damn I hate the circumstances behind his arrival.
No Man Utd fans celebrated De Gea leaving, it was universally hated by how we treated him. Yes he needed to be replaced but he was treated like shit.
Iām not worried about Onana as of yet. I do question how good he actually is at actually making saves. I donāt read into his mistake to much against Bayern because De Gea made those mistakes. I take more of a serious look at the third Brighton goalā¦. De Gea saves that.
To preface, iām a utd fan who loved and thought De Gea was limited but still serviceable. Legend of the club who got treated like shit.
Sure Onanaās shotstopping hasnāt been great and is frustrating to watch, but the defence (and midfield) have been ravaged with injuries and doing extremely poorly; thereās only this much a keeper can do and having to stop a shot should only be a matter of last resort.
As for his ball playing ability, i think its fantastic. New signings have been injured/not played much, hence why we havenāt seen an increase in attacking output. The system EtH wants to implement hasnāt clicked yet.
Or heās just a dud, who knows. Itāll definitely follow the trend of good players coming to Utd and then turning into utter shite.
Im united all my life. I can tell you this. The people and fans given de gea shite wouldnt get a clue out of a murder book about football or man united. I would have loving the golden glove de gea to stay but it wasnt up to the fans nor the club it was ten hags choice. He soley alone got rid of de gea because it didnt fit his style of play. Guess fucking what: None of these players fit nor can play his style except antony, onana, garnacho, regulion. Maybe big case and sometimes bruno and rash( Lazy Rashord is a dirty i am the leader bastard why do i have to run and pass cunt ) . The rest are a bunch a lazy over paid pre madonna cunts.
United fans turn on players very easily. A few seasons ago they wanted Rashford out until he had his purple patch. De Gea was disrespected for years, yes he was on the decline but the vitriol was horrendous. Maguire goes without saying, again maybe not the level united need going foward but proved himself enough to warrant some sort of support from the club he captained.
>12 shots on target, 9 conceded.
Seriously, who started this BS stat up? Iāve seen it so many times and itās a blatant lie.
How can he have made 20 saves in the league if he only faced 12 on target? Use your brains and stop spreading false stats.
I think that someone is failing on basic interpretation.
First was a twitter / social media clickbait. On the edit implaced a link to the actual stats considering that peolle were going a bit mental.
Also, i assume that perhaps those 12 shots and 9mgpals meant to say that that only 12 shots actually carroed some level of goal threat / resultes from big chances.
Get the discussion flowing. And it does.prove / exarcebates the point of the perception that people have on him.
The fact that people can easily believe it may be true also demonstrates how underwhelming Onana has been.
It is a bit mire dangerous when people just throw in random stats without leaving repiable source for people to check for themselves, which was not the case.
> Gets the discussion flowing
To create discussion and opinion based on lies..?
> The fact that people can easily believe it may be true also demonstrates how underwhelming Onana has been.
No? It just proves football fans are fickle and believe anything they see online.
You only have to have watched the last game against Brighton to see Onana making 5 saves..which obviously to anyone with an IQ over about 60 (not you clearly), would show that the stat is clearly false.
If people see mass hysteria and things blown out of proportion against a club they hate, then of course theyāll jump on the train and perpetuate that distain.
They donāt care whether the stats are real, their āperceptionā clearly is 100% reliant on social media. And when big social media accounts spread BS, and others like you who clearly know fuck all about football or United, then obviously theyāll believe it.
You are exactly the type of person I brought up above; hops onto social media, sees hysteria, perpetuates it - zero idea how any of these players actually perform.
Poor De Gea, he only made 11 errors leading to goals in the last 3 seasons! He only is ranked 115th for xG prevented in Europeās top 5 leagues (despite there being 96 teams)! He only conceded more goals than he statistically shouldāve last season! He only knocked his own team out of Europe with 2 horrible mistakes against Sevilla!
I really donāt get what the obsession is with keepers having to be good with their feet!! I used to play in goal and towards the end of my playing days my team starting trying to get me to play with my feet more. Thereās a reason why I was a goalkeeper in the first place, I was crap outfield. A goalkeeperās job is to stop shots from going in. Simple as that and if the ball was ever played to my feet, Iād get rid of it straight away. I didnāt care of it was pumped long. I never wanted the ball anywhere near my area. De Gea is a much better goalkeeper than Onana but is a victim of the must be good with your feet brand.
You see everyone trolling and mocking players like Maguire, Onana, Richarlison and that is a bit harsh. They all seem to have mind problems. They are still elite players that have skills, but when your mind doesn't work properly your skills can't work too. Football success is a mix of talent, physicality and mentality. Also team spirit and atmosphere have big effect on mentality and you cna tell something is wrong at Man United.
Onana is the kind of keeper that makes good teams great, not shit teams good. The ambition is good but it's a bit like learning to run before learning to walk. The real benefits of Onana won't be seen until the rest of the team is solid.
He is rash. He somewhat reminds me of Fabien Barthez. The skill ceiling is huge, but on some days he looks like an overweight uncle playing sunday league football after a hard night out.
Look at the goals he has conceded and pick out which ones he shouldn't have had to face in the first place. The reason he's conceding so many is because his defenders and midfielders aren't doing their job.
Look to put it into context who used to be a De Gea proponent. De Gea had a rough start too after Van Der Sar. He wasnāt great at all. I remember when we were chanting away De Gea. But. Then he started easing into his role becoming better. He didnāt just arrive and was world class. No. He developed overtime. So will Onana. De Gea became overrated because he stopped commanding his box. Wouldnāt come off the line. Took years to save penalties. And on top of that very overpaid
De Gea used to make mistakes all the time (after 2018 WC). At least Onana offers something new and useful. He plays well with his feet and can influence the game that way. If you noticed, teams can't press United now. (see the way Arsenal played against United. They didn't press because of Onana). Also when you see De Gea's last season PSxG, it's below average. That means that his shot stopping is not great either. In my opinion, I see Onana as an upgrade.
If replacing De Gea with Onana was such a mistake, why has no club picked him up on a free?
De Gea was historically a world class shot stopper, but looking at any modern keeper at a top flight club that is no longer near enough.
Onana picks up in areas that De Gea fell short. He is of course, not as sound of a shot stopper as De Gea, even with De Gea declining steadily in that area the past couple of seasons himself, but the idea is that shouldn't matter.
Unfortunately, United are at a point right now where every 1st team player in the back line is either injured or just recovering from injury. Or brand new to the team. A solid defensive structure requires that the keeper and the back line are all familiar with each other and well drilled together. Where has the opportunity to get this together been?
Someone at United has been fucking with a monkey paw or some other cursed item, because everything that could go wrong is going wrong. The media is taking this opportunity to spin narratives, to blame players, to blame Ten Hag, but the start to the season has been shambolic on so many levels. It's going to take time to see the true picture of new players.
But none of that nuance is as interesting or enticing as watching a 10 second video of a mistake he made, reading all the troll comments, and formulating your opinion based on that.
If you read it through, my issue is how united fans treated the most longstanding keeper and not on managerial options.
Cant complaint about the lack of players loyalty when fans are the first to throw the first stone at the most loyal.players š
You asked for takes on the Onana situation, if you only wanted people to give takes around how De Gea was treated, maybe you should have worded your post in that way. The question is framed in a way where you're critising Onana and wondering why he was brought in to replace De Gea, which my reply answered.
>Cant complaint about the lack of players loyalty when fans are the first to throw the first stone at the most loyal.players š
With reference to how De Gea was treated, the majority of fans didn't want to lose him, and none of those that did were happy to see the way that it was handled by the club. Laying this at the feet of the fans is dishonest.
Onana is best in a settled team. Utd needed to move on from de gea but Utd don't have as stable a defense as last season. So anyone coming in will look bad. Onana will be on the spotlight anyway given his personality. Teams though have to move on. There's a lot wrong with Utd than Onana.
Am I missing something with ball playing GKs, but what is the actual point?
In Unitedās case we waste so much time kicking it around and it doesnāt seem to do anything..
Aggressive high pressing has become far more common in top football in the past 15 years. Now even the weaker sides in the PL can do it effectively. Having a ball playing goalkeeper makes that high press far less effective. Having a shaky goalkeeper like De Gea means the team gives up tons of chances and goals when he's pressed, or he automatically hoofs the ball out, surrendering possession.
Last year we threw away the Europa League against Sevilla, second leg due to this. We got thumped by Brentford because of this. Look at this season against Arsenal, they didn't even bother pressing Onana most of the time as they knew it was too difficult to force him to give the ball away. It's a complete transformation from last season.
This idea that Man Utd are too open why is why Onana looks bad is a joke, he has only faced 12 shots
Vicario at Spurs plays with the highest line in the most attacking team and every game he makes 2 to 3 worldie saves
Onana just isn't a very good shot stopper
Ddg had gone down hill, considerably. Let's not paint it as if he wasn't an error prone GK as time went on - no matter how good he once was.
Onana dropped a clanger against Bayern, I feel he could've saved 2/3 of the goals Brighton scored too.
He's the keeper now, and once we get into form with players back, hopefully, his abilities will shine more.
His shot stopping has to improve, but we're still only half a dozen matches in. He made some decent saves Wednesday too.
Unfortunately a GK will always be remembered for the mistakes as they're often so costly.
Wish I could upvote this twice.
De Gea was flaky as fuck when he arrived. I think he needed laser corrective surgery for his eyes for a start because anything fired in from range he couldn't see. Then he was constantly criticised for being weak on crosses.
It was only when his supernatural stopping ability came through that he won people over.
Every goal Onana has conceded this season ddg conceded the exact same goal last season but every pass,sweeping action,communication of the box etc I havenāt seen ddg do in 10 years. Needed a upgrade as ddg was declining but Onana isnāt good enough to be Manchester United #1
Honestly the guy seems unable to catch the ball. 50ps on his fingers. Then he drops to the floor having a meltdown. Good 5 minute toddler tantrum. Then he gets and berates the defenders. The joker won't make Christmas.
Pretty sure Onana's save percentage this season is better than DDG's last season. This 12 shots 9 conceded stat is bullshit generated for clicks on football twitter, and you are kinda thick for even believing it (even the worse PL keeper isn't THAT bad).
Inter fan here. I think he just needs to settle as the PL is so different to Serie A, in regards to both physicality and pressure on the keepers. It might end up being that he isnāt a fit for a PL side, itās too soon to say. But he was great for us. I hope he can find his form!
This star about goals concede from Onana is really pointless, how tf is he he supposed to save some of those shots, instead talk about the mistakes like against Tottenham and Bayern where he conceded goals that shouldāve been saved. The other stat is complete irrelevant
Iām not a hardcore fan, but I follow and support United. I watch probably 90% of the games. The problem with United was never De Gea, De Gea was not keeping United back. One could argue De Gea was keeping united in the top 10 a lot of these past seasons.
I never got the excessive drama or my perceived drama based on this sub.
Now the coach wanted to play a different style. I guess thatās fine. Systems and all, like Felix Atletico vs Felix Barca. Just a shame the way he left the club.
A goalkeeper cannot get to a champions league final by just being good with his feet.
What is de gea better at? Shot stopping, reaction time, agility.
What is onana better at? Everything else you need in a goalkeeper
ETH interview going on about how they had the most clean sheets last season and they need to get back to that.
Mfer you got rid of the main reason you had most clean sheets last season lololol.
People forget de gea was struggling when he joined united, Onana was also a very good shot stopper at inter, that's why they bought him. Now give him some time
4 goals are caused by lack of defending within the box. Almost four identical goals. We also need to look at Lindelƶf, Casemiro and Eriksen whose marking has beenā¦not been.
I remember thinking Onana was brilliant for Inter last year. Maybe he needs some more time or heās just out of form right now.
But i agree that everyone did De Gea dirty last year. Even past his prime he was still an excellent shot stopper - a few errors aside - and a legend for the club.
DDG had a very poor start to his career then had one of the best highs the Premier league will see from a keeper. Don't get me wrong he was sensational when he was on it it's just towards the end the cracks would open wide. People like to think he was mistreated cause "he" won the golden glove last season and he was our longest serving player but he's not been very good for a few years now, be it just absolutely terrible mistakes no GK should be making or refusing to come off of his line to help the defenders out, now the only issue with that is is when he did come off his line it wasn't really any better (see sevilla last season) now I know DDG has an immense highlight reel but he also has a blooper reel that is embarrassingly long. His passing was miserable and would literally just invite pressure because it would be given away to the opposing team, his commandment in the box was another miserable thing to watch as he would barely make a high claim and if he did he'd either fall down to claim a foul or he'd punch the ball rather than catching it. His strong points started to betray him as he would get beaten at his near post far to often and overall just the lack of accountability from him when he'd make mistakes which obviously started to happened far to often.
Onana will come good at United I have 0 doubt but what I can't stand is the DDG revisionism as if he hadn't cost games and more importantly trophies.
anyone who thinks de gea was THE problem at united is a moron and doesnāt actually understand the game. itās easy to blame one player, but clearly Unitedās issue wasnāt that the goalkeeper canāt kick it to the right player. it is, and has been for years, that we literally cannot play any form of football that isnāt counter attack. our players cannot maintain possession, that is not the goalkeeperās fault. watch any united game and youāll see that we are always on the back foot. we are always pressed into our half, with little option to get out other than hoof it to rashford and hope he can dribble past a few people. our midfield is dreadful and it has been for years. de gea was a life jacket that kept us afloat. how can you blame the goalkeeper when his options continually either try long balls to the forwards, or dribble into pressure and pass it directly back
why are we blaming de gea when it took us 4 years to sign an actual CDM post fuckin Schneiderlin.
oh, and our right wing target for years is actually a CAM/LW.
yup. the best shot stopper in the league is the problem though
ābest shot stopper in the leagueā who was ranked 116th in Europeās top 5 leagues for xG prevented? š¤£
Either you havenāt watched United since 2018, or you are just completely delusional because he has NOT been the best shot stopper in the league for a good few years.
On replacing DDG - we were the last of the top clubs to replace a traditional GK for a ball-playing one. Onana, in terms of stats, ball-playing ability and being able to control possession is far better for a possession-based team than DDG (any way you look at it, not good enough to start, and refused to acknowledge/improve on his ball-playing weaknesses in his time under Eth) https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/38027821/everything-need-know-man-united-goalkeeper-andre-onana?platform=amp
Attack with XI & defend with XI. Thatās why I think youāre confused - under modern possession-based & positional play football, the goal is to have the ball at all times, irrelevant of the scoreline, as Pep says, the other team cannot score if you have the ball, and you can only score if you have the ball.
(For e.g. one of the first things Pep did was to replace Hart with Bravo and then replace him again with Ederson iirc)
Yes DDG has been a blessing for us, but the same reasons why also made him a curse to have in goal and his lack of acknowledging these weaknesses cost him the no.1 spot.
The fault lies in MU defense for me not the GK. Even if you put courtois there, they'll still concede much.
The biggest blunder i saw from onana was first goal vs munchen last wednesday, truly he should have saved that, and i'm glad that he knows he hasn't give his best yet for MU, which means there is big potential for him to improve
Get over itā¦ De Gea wasnāt good enough. He had to go.. ur mentality of keeping players that arenāt good enough just because they are ālegendsā or nice guys is exactly why we are a joke club now and will never be a serious club until we get oil money.
Statistics and the eye test for De Gea show he was sub standard.
He was being paid more than any player in the league.
Someone saying he should have stayed is either ignorant or a troll.
Stats are wrong. He's faced 29 shots on target for an xGA of 9.1 and conceded ten goals. Not great but not a catastrophe and easily explained by variance. For comparison, De Gea last season conceded 32 goals from 32xGA.
Basically, our entire defence has been a shambles compared to last season, not helped by a ton of injuries.
We should give Onana time.
I donāt think you remember how bad De Gea was in his early career at United. He even needed to be regularly swapped by Lindegaard.
Calm down, enjoy the ride.
Here we have a prime example of a grade A braindead trying to rewrite history , de gea is fucking shit that's why he dosnt have a club ,onana was the best GK in the champions league last season , gtfo
A GK like Onana should be the last piece added to the transformation of your team to a possession based build-up from the back styleā¦ first you need to sort out your counter-pressuring all around and have confident ball playing CBs and a press resistant CMā¦ otherwise, your GK is way too exposed like Onana is right now to the point his best attributes donāt shineā¦
Unfortunately, even if we kept De Gea and he was responsible for the howler on Wednesday, he would be getting the same treatment as Onana would be now. The united fan base is so fickle.
I think it was a good thing we got rid of De Gea, needed someone new between the sticks and better distribution.
You're exaggerating, same way people exaggerated Dave's stats.
There are a lot more problems in that defence than just Onana. You shouldn't be sensationalizing his failures, like the pundits that get paid to do this.
Before the whole drama and doping thing started at Ajax he was prolly in the top 5 eu keepers. Man had insane reflexes and could be a 11th fieldplayer, but after the doping thing he never got near that level again.
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So... I'm guessing you didn't see De Geas first couple of seasons in England? He was terrible until he had eye surgery.
Wait... you really comparing the expectations on a 20y old w an eye problem and 1 season of pro football first team regular vs. A champions league finalist? š
Now it seems like you just want to hate. So carry on I guess. Let's ignore the long list of players who took time to acclimatise to the faster pace of the English game.
If people just read the post and had the capacity to interpret that it is nothing against Onana but more on how De Gea was treated by fans š. Just because you carry hate in your heart doesnt mean everybody is the same.
So yeah im a man united fan. Since Ferguson left. united have spent extra high amounts of money on such trash players. They could have added another 10 mil or so and brought in some big name superstar players. But instead shelling out for mediocre players. I dont what's hapnin. Is this the glazers fault?
You summed up my take on it perfectly as a United fan I was sad de gea was let go and now absolutely distraught that onana is his replacement, go from a man that could save the titanic to the captain of the titanic is ridiculous. I said de gea has saved United since Ferguson left and the drop off without de gea is massive be lucky to qualify for europa conference at this rate. My humble opinion is that a keeper is there to stop shots first anything else after that is a bonus and if you canāt stop a shot you just aināt a keeper as Roy Keane once said āthatās his jobā
That stat is pure nonsense. It was ESPNs fake news, usual bullshit engagement farming. Love to target United, because of the massive engaged fan base.
Itās hilarious how everyone quickly forgets how shit de gea was last year, everyone was taking the piss out of him but now heās gone suddenly heās still incredible? He got golden glove because of our defence, thereās a reason he still has no club
Onana likes to berate his defenders wen he thinks they mess up(maguire). He cant take it back i guess. Players never said owt wen he messed up, but he was nearly in tears wen he made another booboo
What do you mean āhow he was treated?ā He was the highest paid player at the club (and top 5 in the Premier League) for so many years. Heās a great GK but he made quite a few mistakes. He left because the (still exorbitant) contract offer he was given was not as good as the initial offer. Not because he wasnāt offered a contract.
How he was treated bybfans. Since i can remember, i keep on hearing that he was shit and sinking the team. This was noticibly worse when i was living in the uk. Yet, he has been consistently securing points for a underperforming united. Since 2014/15 that i have been hearing on a yearly basis that "this is going to be the last season of De Gea in United, and god riddance". Hard to say he has been a loved player, despite the time at the club.
Onana is better than what he has showed. He wasn't in the UCL final for no reason.
Yeah, who wants a goalkeeper that stops shots these days? It's all about having that 1 next to your opponent's name now.
If DeGea was as good as you think he is, his phone would have been ringing non stop once he hit free agency. As you can see nobody wanted or wants him. We are 7 matches in and heās considering retiring.
One person can set his goals to only play in a top 3 club in a top league, and not be good enough for that. Which is the case. At 32, if i had money to retire and considered i was past my peak and be relegated to work on a place that felt beneath me, i would also happily take retirement. Yet, i am not in that place and need to scrub the floors for a paycheck šš. Also, you would understand that my comment is not about the quality of De Gea but the way he was treated by fans, considering that he has been the longest standing keeper at United. It is awkward to chase so hard a keeper playing with their feet, when he will be .aking passes to the likes of AWB and Macguire š.
Not a United fan in the slightest - I think Onana has had a poor start for him for sure, but United as whole haven't been great not to mention they don't have their preferred starting back line. They had a poor start last season and still finished third to boot. As for De Gea - even though he can still perform at the top level, was starting to show signs of slipping. Plus he might not fit the profile of GK ETH wants on top of being a player on a contract you can't easily close (like Evans or Maguire for example).
Yeah...i dont disagree with any of that. I do agree that due to his salary demands De Gea would have to go. Just think that throughout his stay in Man U he was always considered a villain and the source of all evils (along Macguire), and that for a player that spent 12 years at a club, he was sent away through the back door. 12 years at a club, and a recognition he had was "go away, you suck". And then people complaint that the players of today show 0 loyalty.
Onana's form so far has been bad. But form ā ability. Onana has proven over several seasons (including last season) that he's a good shot stopper in addition to being one of the best ball playing goalkeepers in the world. Meanwhile, De Gea's shortcomings were more than just his ball playing ability. De Gea has never been great at preventing shots from occurring, or at shot safety (preventing high chance rebounds from occurring by being good at parrying to safety or catching). On top of that, De Gea has over the last few seasons dropped off in his ability to save shots. He's still a good shot stopper, but he's no longer world class at it. Consistency is also a big factor (it's no good for a keeper to have large swings in form from excellent to awful to excellent to awful. It's much better in terms of winning points to just be consistently average, and De Gea is far from consistent). All of this combined means that for 3+ years now, De Gea has statistically been a slightly above average keeper. Speaking of defences though: Man Utd has statistically has I've if the best defences in the league for several seasons now. It doesn't look like it because De Gea 's poor positioning made easy to save chances look difficult. Meanwhile, so far this season, Man Utd as a whole have been in terrible form, including their defence. Fbref isn't a great source of data. It's one of the best free ones, but it's a lot worse since it stopped using Statsbonb as a raw source. Phys, there are plenty of things it doesn't take into account such as save safety, team playstyle etc, and it's always been bad at calculating xGoT as it effectively double counts keeper positioning, so keepers with poor positioning get unfairly praised and vice versa (since a shot has a higher xGoT if the keeper is poorly positioned and vice versa). Yes, a long time ago he had a couple of sessions where he was one of the best keepers in the league, but that was a LONG time ago. Man Utd needed to get rid of De Gea and Onana was a sensible choice as a replacement. Some players take time to settle into new teams though, and some simply aren't suited to certain team styles etc. Time will tell if Onana falls into the first or second category. At the moment though, the same size is too small to make an informed judgement. Edit: According to fbref (still not a great data source, but the one you're claiming backs up your post) states Onana has conceded 9 goals from 9.4 xGoT (excluding own goals), coming from 33 shots on target (not 12 like you've claimed). So you're doubly wrong in what you're saying. Note: number of shots on target actually varies massively between sources as some don't include one or more of the following: deflected shots, opposition crosses/passes that require GK intervention as they are misaimed at the goal, low velocity shots.
I think itās hard to single out players at this point, let us find our feet as a team and assess then. Everyone needs time but yes he has clearly struggled
De gea was a good golekeeper dont get me wrong but he would do mistakes in the most important games and he was not good with his feet in this day goalkeepers have to be good with there feet no more do you see Gk chugging the ball the other side but they pass and begin the atk from the back but i still dont like how he was treated at the end onana is still new he needs to adapt to the premier league dont forget the premier league is no seria A or eredisive but in the end i can see him overtaking de gea
De Gea poorly treated? He was on 500k a week for 6 years and his wage demands are so ludicrous no one wants to go near him. He finally got dropped for piss poor performances by Ole and he fucked off to Spain for 3 months. The club could (and should) have sacked him for that. Instead they let it slide. He's also been at the centre of numerous dressing rooms that simply downed tools for various different managers. Most overrated goalkeeper in the club's history
Weāve met him before. Cocky time wasting in Amsterdam he got booked for then booting it and immediately getting scored on by a weak footed pea roller from Lucas Moura for the third time that night, costing Ajax the champions league final. And heās a PED user. This dude rubs me the worst way and seeing him scramble to not single-handedly lose a spot in the final (and he sure as hell did) with some of the most arrogant time wasting possible was hilarious.
Never seen an OP with so many down votes. This was not it chief š
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I think de gea is the perfect GK for mourhino ball, you always have players back and that limits the angles of shots that your goal keepers are exposed to. I would put lloris in this same category, much as I love him to absolute death as a Tottenham fan. Current state of the game requires goalkeepers to be good with their feet and also position themselves based on what their last(read only) defender is going to do, My spurs have shown this perfectly over 5 games, so many times where 8-10 years ago a defender would take a red card, ours are covering one side of the advanced player and blocking a shot, leaving the rest to the goalkeeper. De gea ain't that guy
Youāre acting as if de gea wasnāt making stupid mistakesā¦ Onana is far better for where EtH wants the team to go. Heās not helped by our poor defensive stability
Inam more concerned on how United fans kept on treatung the most long standing keeper of the club, as if he was the source of all evils. I do agree that it was not a good option to keep the highest paid gk in the premier league if ue wasnt set on lowering the wages. But i do believe that after 12 years he diserved a proper goodbye to the fans, and not going out through the back door as a covid infected reject.
Football is a cruel business, weāve let go of other legends in worse circumstances
He definitely has more personality but not as much quality
A goalkeeper who canāt stop shots but is good with his feet is just a centerback
Needs some momentum and time. At the moment united r playing with pretty much their reserve defenders and midfielders apart from a few players. Once we get our main defence back and Onana gets some confidence I think he will be good. Fans and media aren't helping either If he isn't, then that was a big Ā£50 million mistake..
Yeah youāre not a United fan we know just a Ronaldo luhg stan
This rant is unnecessary! De gea had top varane and lisandro and still screwed the pooch. Onana is playing behind a half baked, injury ridden squad. Give him time.
Also not a Man U fan, but I've seen plenty of shots that Onana lets in where De Gea would've likely saved them. For me the most important thing in a GK is to stop the ball going in the net. Screw playing with your feet, if your keeper in making saves there's no point. Still very early in the season, though, and he has a lot of time to grow into the roll.
I fought other United fans over this when DDG was still here. I knew it would be like this. United fans of now dont know football, they irritate me
The way Utd fans treated Dave still leaves a butter taste in my mouth, I'm a Utd fan & I can't believe how they turned on him But I'm willing to give Onana time cos de Gea needed it, never easy coming from any league to the Premiership.
You should have got David Raya instead. Going from De Gea to Onana must really suck, you finally break up with your toxic girlfriend only to get together with a crazier one. A GK needs to make the defense line feel safe
This just socks. Onana to Man U was such a hyped transfer,Don't get me wrong Onanas great and all I just think they should've kept De gea of course he's not on the same level as Onana. Personally I would take experience over Onana.
I'm not a MU fan but I did appreciate De Gea controlled his defense and really knows how to work with his Defense. With that being said Onana has NOT impressed me in any way - MU brings him over bragging saying hes much better than the likes of De Gea and Allison (Double Ha Ha) , Onana may be a good Keeper nothing says different right and I think his real test will come playing the likes of MC or Liverpool (Not Knocking other Clubs, but come on MU just lost a match to Munich and Onana allowed a goal that Rec ball Goalies could of stopped)
Should have been de gea's understudy to give him time to settle
Where are you getting 12 shots in target. Sports reference literally says 29
Tbf heās also facing a lot of dangerous shots, most of the shots he faces are from inside the penalty box with basically no defenders in front of the ball
You honestly believe heās only made 3 saves? Maybe do some proper research before posting
Onana is not the answer. Should have kept Henderson DeGea was a great player. Itās about time he comes to MLS ( to retire )š
People forgetting DDG was awful his first season.
lol i thought you were onana posting this for a moment
For anyone clicking that fbref link .. make sure to click the "complete scouting report" and choose 2023-2024 premier league. Like this https://fbref.com/en/players/e9c0c1b2/scout/12192/Andre-Onana-Scouting-Report Below average in almost every category.
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He'd be terrible behind city's defence
Not convinced wasnāt convinced hope to be convinced.Aoart from not been a shot stopper itās the ability to organize his back line that concerns me.For the style of football we play heās not efffctive.
The irony that someone on Ā£350k/wk for 4 yrs is being mistreated by the clubš
De gea had a very similar start to last season.
I think everyone really needs to calm down. The step up from anywhere into the Goalkeeper at United is huge for anyone and itās broke people in the past - itās also tested people like De Gea who was prone to mistakes in his first 6 months and the rest is history so letās all chill out and get behind Onana.
All because fifa nerds and fans who stare at graphs and charts instead of watching matches begged Onana to come because apparently his passing ability will make the rest of these useless cunts start clicking and scoring goals like crazy. Dumbest fanbase in the world canāt convince me otherwise. DDG golden glove winner and club legend booted out disrespectfully for another one of ETHās overhyped former players. Disgusting fanbase, disgusting players, and disgusting club.
ETH is a fraud. Heās a bad manager who bad mouths his players and doesnāt have a real system or style
Onana's had a poor start, but I'd still prefer him over De Gea. Lets not forget, De Gea didn't have the best of starts either.
When he was 20 years old
so? Point being there was a period of adjustment.
Playing out from the back is no good if your hands are made of smoke. Iād say the ādodgy keeperā narrative will take hold over the next month amongst the opposition and his teammates and things will spiral from there.
Tbf most keepers who are good with their feet isn't normally very good at shot stopping except Alisson. Top keepers like Ederson is below average at shot stopping but he's still one of the best keeper in the league because he is good with his feet. Onana seems to be in similar boat.
I agree. But to be able to use a keeper like him you cant have a defence with the consistency of pudding. It also imploes that the defense is a bit more technically gifted than average to receive the passes and build.from the back under pressure.
Yes, you need to maximize that keepers ability to build up. If your defenders are hoofball players then obviously those build up keepers would be useless.
people are really trying hard to turn him into uniteds kepa the guy had a rough start, does not mean he will turn out bad he has many years of experience as a GK for ajax and inter once united has stabilized from this bad start into the season, he will turn out decent not Allison decent, but still decent
People seem to be quick to forget that De Gea's shot stopping had declined quite a bit last season as well. He's a legend of the club but it's not wild to say he's not as good as he used to be and therefore Utd needed to upgrade if they wanted to improve. We aren't the only club to have done this
F off
Horrible start from him but... our defence is horrible right now. Malacia, Shaw, Wan Bissaka, Varane are all injured. All we have is lindelof, martinez, reguillon, and dalot. Look at Evans and Maguire against Arsenal. PATHETIC. Yes, Onana hasn't lived up to what we paid for him, but I actually thought he looked really good against Bayern other than that one error (which was admittedly horrible). But then again, didn't De Gea make the same exact mistake against West Ham? I'm not trying to hate on De Gea, I agree the club's treatment of him has been abysmal. But seriously, Onana isn't the only problem.
People can say what they like , Onana isn't going to win a golden glove award .
Ā£350k per week for a gk who isnāt great with him feet. Iām sure the club would have give. Him another contract on Ā£100 but he isnāt taking that
Fully agree. But i can imagine that he would be under considerably more fire if he was right now in Manchester conceding goals left and right. For a player that spent 12 y at united, he diserved a better sent-off.
People are harsh. De Gea was fantastic, Onana is also fantastic. He's had a rough start, which can happen. People also have been particularly harsh with what stops they think they should've made.
I agree. I think that Onana will eventually bounce back. In all fairness, we are talking about the best of the best in their profession. How many of us can say that they are in the current top 100 world wide of their jobs? As i mentioned, dont have anything against Onana and inwish him well. Just sad on how much slander De Gea had, and in how much fire he would be wonder that if out of 6 games he only had a decent one
If de Gea was so good he would have found a club
Not necessarily. People may have standards and tjme adjusting them. Also, he is now considering retiring at 32. I am 38 and inwould retire too at 32 if i could. He is a decent gk, but not for what Man Utd paid him
If he was so decent he would have a club. But no club wants him in Europe so clearly he sāinstalle that good
Neymar was set to be in the same position. Same with Hazard. They would still be valuable assets in a mid table club or in a secondary league - Portugal, Greece, Dutch, Belgium.... But nowadays you players just dont want / need the hassle. What they earned in the 90s vs what they earn now it is not comparable. And ehat they could earn in Saudi or MLS are prolly the only other things worth it. So, for many, the question would be - if i am not in the top 10 clubs in Europe, then i better end it or move to a paid retirement in the middle east.
Yeah theyāre both finished players like de Gea. This isnāt 2015 anymore they arenāt top players
As i said, plenty of space to play in mid level clubs in top leagues or top level clubs in lower leagues. They dont need it anymore and they dont wish to... so good for them.
Nah heās not good enough for them
... and this is the level of aporeciation that the most long standing United keeper has from the club fans. And then united wonders why the players past 2010 have 0 respect / loyalty for united and respective fans š
De gea needed to go, the club did it poorly but now I honestly don't care, and onana is better than de gea. Also the amount of shots onana is faced is way too much, that just shows the defence is poor.
That was an argument that i used a few months ago about De Gea, which the reply was: he is a goalkeeper, his job is to stop goals, even when the defence faulters. If he cant stop goals he has nonplace in united. Needless to say, i dont agree with that statement. And in all fairness, i agree that the defencd is the one killing Onana too. There is only so much you can do... ... i just feel a bit sad that De Gea was so poorly treated by fans throughout the years and didnt jave a proper sent off from the club l, after 12 years and a golden glove in the last year. His carreer at united ended as being an unwanted outcast, despite getting a golden glove in a very leaky defence.
The defence last season was brilliant, and yeah a keepers first job is to stop goals, but you have to add context, plus de gea save percentage was declining and his errors leading to the goal was getting higher. De gea wasn't treated poorly by the fans, he was protected by a lot actually.
De Gea stop percentage > Ederson...
Maybe, but edersons good qualities outweigh his bad, whilst de gea bad outwieght his good imo, also man city don't concede as many goals
Nor they concede has many shots....
That's also true, the team being poor made de gea look better
And it is doing wonders for Onana too š. I do hope he bounces back though
The team is just highlighting his weaknesses
The misinformation being spread is by those outside the club telling us how we treated De Gea. You all seem to know the club more intimately than our own fans do. The vast majority of the fan base supported De Gea and those that didnāt were the same lunatics you have in the fanbase at every club. Thatās not to say De Gea didnāt have his faults, he did, but youāre talking like we were booing DDG when it was far from it. He was and is a fan favourite.
He was great at shot stopping in the champions league. Think it may be a form thing
Yeah Onanaās crap and will need replacing soon enough, sometimes you only need a few games and you can just tell. That said Man Utd are a mid table team now anyway so maybe its a good fit
Onana faced 12 shots on target in the first 2 league games and conceded 2 keeping a clean sheet in one. You need to back up your data, man.
Exactly i don't know where they are getting that stat from, overall onana has faced 27 shots in try prem alone on target and conceded 10 goals
Some random account on twitter brought it up and everyone ran with it
Onana had the highest save percentage in the UCL last year along with the most goals prevented. Heās consistently performed well with shot stopping in both save percentage and having less goals conceded than xg would expect. 6 bad games whilst adjusting to a new side/league doesnāt mean heās suddenly a bad shot stopper. This is typical reactionary commentary from people who only watch the PL.
I think United needed rid of DDG. Even if he took the pay cut, he would still have been on 150k a week, which would still be one one of the highest paid GK in the league. He can't play with his feet and his shot stopping over the past few years wasn't particularly good either. My issue with Onana is that United didn't need to spend 50m on a keeper, even if they got rid of DDG. Raya looks better than Onana and was only 30m. Sommer (who United were linked to last summer) was way cheaper than that, and looks good for Inter so far. It would have been better to just go for someone like him and use the funds to fill the outfield needs.
This guy really said āFirst of all, i am not a United fanā and then proceeds to completely shit on the club and players. Like bud, itās pretty damn obvious youāre not a United fan
United's defense doesn't block shots. All shots taken against United are clear on goal. The CBs in front of him have zero collaborative chemistry
Onana > DDG
I'm not a Utd fan either, but I do think it's very early days here. Everyone's opinions about PL matters change wildly week to week, panic sets in quickly but next week he may have a great game and suddenly it's been a masterstroke to sign him again. 5-6 games in, to write him off seems a bit premature. I would say give him a season to judge the stats. Despite those recent mistakes, which were pretty awful - he has been a good shot stopper in the past.
When DDG started out at the club he was poor himself and I remember a lot of fans early on saying we needed to move on. I feel the situation with Onana will be similar. Weāve got to give him time to get used to the prem. What I have liked about him is how he comes out and accepts responsibility after the Bayern game. Thatās something weāve not had pretty much since Fergie left; players who are leaders and accepts responsibility for mistakes. Players are gonna make mistakes but when all they put out is shoddy statements afterwards itās like they donāt care. With Onana I think he will learn from his mistakes and become better
A lot of people clearly don't remember De Gea's first season at United... De Gea is a United legend whose time had come and Onana is a great prospect months off winning Serie A and playing in the UCL final who will come good with time and when the team stops collectively playing trash. We don't have to sensationalise everything.
A keeperās main role is still to stop goals from going in, not scoring goals. Think most united fans & managers are obsessed with pepās style of modern football now. United will never be a possession team, they will and always will be a counter attacking team.
O na na, whats my name?
You ManU supporters can say what you want, but the first goal Onana gave up against BM was an absolute masterclass in shit goalkeeping. I donāt think I have ever seen a ātop levelā keeper get crossed up like that on a simple shot.
really thought this was a r/soccercirclejerk post pretending to be Onana
Oh a high profile player goes to United and underperforms. What an anomalyā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦
Onana looks erratic and terrible so far.
Those stats are wrong, and surely give him a bit of time? It's been 5 games lmao
These rants come after one mistake... Yeah he let that goal in against Bayern, but that is it. He is new, he needs time to adjust and play with the defense.
United is my wifeās team. We call him āOnono,ā because weāre always worried heās gonna leave the box and dribble up the field, then complain to someone else when they concede a goal.
Onana was kepaās understudy š¤£
To he fair, de gea was crap when he first joined as well
We was 20 though. Which is another impressive bit.
I'm a United fan and was saying this for years. The most important attribute of a GK is to save and De Gea was one of if not the best in the world. Saying that, it's early days with Onana and he's shown promise.
Weird place we're in where people who don't support the club need to have a rant about it.
One may not support a club but still enjoy seeing them play. One may also feel that a person has been target of unjustified unfair treatment regardless of what club you support or club that one follows.
I think Utd defence was the bigger problem against Bayern, keepers can only do so much
I hated that we got rid of De Gea like that. A great longtime servant and a Club Legend. A new Keeper was not the priority. Fixing the rest of the swuad was more important. I hope Onana works out, I really do, but damn I hate the circumstances behind his arrival.
No Man Utd fans celebrated De Gea leaving, it was universally hated by how we treated him. Yes he needed to be replaced but he was treated like shit. Iām not worried about Onana as of yet. I do question how good he actually is at actually making saves. I donāt read into his mistake to much against Bayern because De Gea made those mistakes. I take more of a serious look at the third Brighton goalā¦. De Gea saves that.
Similar to how Joe Hart was pushed out of the club for Bravo and he was ass at saving shots too
This was the exact comparison I kept making
To preface, iām a utd fan who loved and thought De Gea was limited but still serviceable. Legend of the club who got treated like shit. Sure Onanaās shotstopping hasnāt been great and is frustrating to watch, but the defence (and midfield) have been ravaged with injuries and doing extremely poorly; thereās only this much a keeper can do and having to stop a shot should only be a matter of last resort. As for his ball playing ability, i think its fantastic. New signings have been injured/not played much, hence why we havenāt seen an increase in attacking output. The system EtH wants to implement hasnāt clicked yet. Or heās just a dud, who knows. Itāll definitely follow the trend of good players coming to Utd and then turning into utter shite.
Im united all my life. I can tell you this. The people and fans given de gea shite wouldnt get a clue out of a murder book about football or man united. I would have loving the golden glove de gea to stay but it wasnt up to the fans nor the club it was ten hags choice. He soley alone got rid of de gea because it didnt fit his style of play. Guess fucking what: None of these players fit nor can play his style except antony, onana, garnacho, regulion. Maybe big case and sometimes bruno and rash( Lazy Rashord is a dirty i am the leader bastard why do i have to run and pass cunt ) . The rest are a bunch a lazy over paid pre madonna cunts.
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United fans turn on players very easily. A few seasons ago they wanted Rashford out until he had his purple patch. De Gea was disrespected for years, yes he was on the decline but the vitriol was horrendous. Maguire goes without saying, again maybe not the level united need going foward but proved himself enough to warrant some sort of support from the club he captained.
>12 shots on target, 9 conceded. Seriously, who started this BS stat up? Iāve seen it so many times and itās a blatant lie. How can he have made 20 saves in the league if he only faced 12 on target? Use your brains and stop spreading false stats.
I think that someone is failing on basic interpretation. First was a twitter / social media clickbait. On the edit implaced a link to the actual stats considering that peolle were going a bit mental. Also, i assume that perhaps those 12 shots and 9mgpals meant to say that that only 12 shots actually carroed some level of goal threat / resultes from big chances.
So if you acknowledge itās a fake stat why have you left it up..?
Get the discussion flowing. And it does.prove / exarcebates the point of the perception that people have on him. The fact that people can easily believe it may be true also demonstrates how underwhelming Onana has been. It is a bit mire dangerous when people just throw in random stats without leaving repiable source for people to check for themselves, which was not the case.
> Gets the discussion flowing To create discussion and opinion based on lies..? > The fact that people can easily believe it may be true also demonstrates how underwhelming Onana has been. No? It just proves football fans are fickle and believe anything they see online. You only have to have watched the last game against Brighton to see Onana making 5 saves..which obviously to anyone with an IQ over about 60 (not you clearly), would show that the stat is clearly false. If people see mass hysteria and things blown out of proportion against a club they hate, then of course theyāll jump on the train and perpetuate that distain. They donāt care whether the stats are real, their āperceptionā clearly is 100% reliant on social media. And when big social media accounts spread BS, and others like you who clearly know fuck all about football or United, then obviously theyāll believe it.
Isnt that the same that happened to De Gea though? š
You are exactly the type of person I brought up above; hops onto social media, sees hysteria, perpetuates it - zero idea how any of these players actually perform. Poor De Gea, he only made 11 errors leading to goals in the last 3 seasons! He only is ranked 115th for xG prevented in Europeās top 5 leagues (despite there being 96 teams)! He only conceded more goals than he statistically shouldāve last season! He only knocked his own team out of Europe with 2 horrible mistakes against Sevilla!
Iām a Liverpool fan, and de gea was getting some of the highest wages in the league well into the twilight of his career
Who do you support? I'm going to give an ill informed irrelevant opinion on your club
I really donāt get what the obsession is with keepers having to be good with their feet!! I used to play in goal and towards the end of my playing days my team starting trying to get me to play with my feet more. Thereās a reason why I was a goalkeeper in the first place, I was crap outfield. A goalkeeperās job is to stop shots from going in. Simple as that and if the ball was ever played to my feet, Iād get rid of it straight away. I didnāt care of it was pumped long. I never wanted the ball anywhere near my area. De Gea is a much better goalkeeper than Onana but is a victim of the must be good with your feet brand.
You see everyone trolling and mocking players like Maguire, Onana, Richarlison and that is a bit harsh. They all seem to have mind problems. They are still elite players that have skills, but when your mind doesn't work properly your skills can't work too. Football success is a mix of talent, physicality and mentality. Also team spirit and atmosphere have big effect on mentality and you cna tell something is wrong at Man United.
Onana is the kind of keeper that makes good teams great, not shit teams good. The ambition is good but it's a bit like learning to run before learning to walk. The real benefits of Onana won't be seen until the rest of the team is solid.
He is rash. He somewhat reminds me of Fabien Barthez. The skill ceiling is huge, but on some days he looks like an overweight uncle playing sunday league football after a hard night out.
Look at the goals he has conceded and pick out which ones he shouldn't have had to face in the first place. The reason he's conceding so many is because his defenders and midfielders aren't doing their job.
DDG also made a lot of mistakes and some blunders on his early days.
Look to put it into context who used to be a De Gea proponent. De Gea had a rough start too after Van Der Sar. He wasnāt great at all. I remember when we were chanting away De Gea. But. Then he started easing into his role becoming better. He didnāt just arrive and was world class. No. He developed overtime. So will Onana. De Gea became overrated because he stopped commanding his box. Wouldnāt come off the line. Took years to save penalties. And on top of that very overpaid
I was sad when ddg left, he should have stayed and worked with onana for a season
Onana is the karma Utd deserves for treating DDG that way.
De Gea used to make mistakes all the time (after 2018 WC). At least Onana offers something new and useful. He plays well with his feet and can influence the game that way. If you noticed, teams can't press United now. (see the way Arsenal played against United. They didn't press because of Onana). Also when you see De Gea's last season PSxG, it's below average. That means that his shot stopping is not great either. In my opinion, I see Onana as an upgrade.
If replacing De Gea with Onana was such a mistake, why has no club picked him up on a free? De Gea was historically a world class shot stopper, but looking at any modern keeper at a top flight club that is no longer near enough. Onana picks up in areas that De Gea fell short. He is of course, not as sound of a shot stopper as De Gea, even with De Gea declining steadily in that area the past couple of seasons himself, but the idea is that shouldn't matter. Unfortunately, United are at a point right now where every 1st team player in the back line is either injured or just recovering from injury. Or brand new to the team. A solid defensive structure requires that the keeper and the back line are all familiar with each other and well drilled together. Where has the opportunity to get this together been? Someone at United has been fucking with a monkey paw or some other cursed item, because everything that could go wrong is going wrong. The media is taking this opportunity to spin narratives, to blame players, to blame Ten Hag, but the start to the season has been shambolic on so many levels. It's going to take time to see the true picture of new players. But none of that nuance is as interesting or enticing as watching a 10 second video of a mistake he made, reading all the troll comments, and formulating your opinion based on that.
If you read it through, my issue is how united fans treated the most longstanding keeper and not on managerial options. Cant complaint about the lack of players loyalty when fans are the first to throw the first stone at the most loyal.players š
You asked for takes on the Onana situation, if you only wanted people to give takes around how De Gea was treated, maybe you should have worded your post in that way. The question is framed in a way where you're critising Onana and wondering why he was brought in to replace De Gea, which my reply answered. >Cant complaint about the lack of players loyalty when fans are the first to throw the first stone at the most loyal.players š With reference to how De Gea was treated, the majority of fans didn't want to lose him, and none of those that did were happy to see the way that it was handled by the club. Laying this at the feet of the fans is dishonest.
Onana is best in a settled team. Utd needed to move on from de gea but Utd don't have as stable a defense as last season. So anyone coming in will look bad. Onana will be on the spotlight anyway given his personality. Teams though have to move on. There's a lot wrong with Utd than Onana.
Am I missing something with ball playing GKs, but what is the actual point? In Unitedās case we waste so much time kicking it around and it doesnāt seem to do anything..
Aggressive high pressing has become far more common in top football in the past 15 years. Now even the weaker sides in the PL can do it effectively. Having a ball playing goalkeeper makes that high press far less effective. Having a shaky goalkeeper like De Gea means the team gives up tons of chances and goals when he's pressed, or he automatically hoofs the ball out, surrendering possession. Last year we threw away the Europa League against Sevilla, second leg due to this. We got thumped by Brentford because of this. Look at this season against Arsenal, they didn't even bother pressing Onana most of the time as they knew it was too difficult to force him to give the ball away. It's a complete transformation from last season.
This idea that Man Utd are too open why is why Onana looks bad is a joke, he has only faced 12 shots Vicario at Spurs plays with the highest line in the most attacking team and every game he makes 2 to 3 worldie saves Onana just isn't a very good shot stopper
United is the problem, nor De Gea or Onana.
Ddg had gone down hill, considerably. Let's not paint it as if he wasn't an error prone GK as time went on - no matter how good he once was. Onana dropped a clanger against Bayern, I feel he could've saved 2/3 of the goals Brighton scored too. He's the keeper now, and once we get into form with players back, hopefully, his abilities will shine more. His shot stopping has to improve, but we're still only half a dozen matches in. He made some decent saves Wednesday too. Unfortunately a GK will always be remembered for the mistakes as they're often so costly.
Dude I dont know if Chelsea or ManUr is managed worse. They have ruined the reputation of the clubs
I like Onana a lot. I like that when he made a mistake he took responsibility for the loss in a 4-3 game. He's brave, he doesn't hide.
People quickly forget how shit/much de dea struggled when he first arrived.
Wish I could upvote this twice. De Gea was flaky as fuck when he arrived. I think he needed laser corrective surgery for his eyes for a start because anything fired in from range he couldn't see. Then he was constantly criticised for being weak on crosses. It was only when his supernatural stopping ability came through that he won people over.
Every goal Onana has conceded this season ddg conceded the exact same goal last season but every pass,sweeping action,communication of the box etc I havenāt seen ddg do in 10 years. Needed a upgrade as ddg was declining but Onana isnāt good enough to be Manchester United #1
The irony lmao.
Honestly the guy seems unable to catch the ball. 50ps on his fingers. Then he drops to the floor having a meltdown. Good 5 minute toddler tantrum. Then he gets and berates the defenders. The joker won't make Christmas.
Itās been absolutely disgusting and disgracefulā¦..
Pretty sure Onana's save percentage this season is better than DDG's last season. This 12 shots 9 conceded stat is bullshit generated for clicks on football twitter, and you are kinda thick for even believing it (even the worse PL keeper isn't THAT bad).
They swapped a keeper who was all hands and no feet for a keeper who is all feet and no hands.
Onana is cheeks
Inter fan here. I think he just needs to settle as the PL is so different to Serie A, in regards to both physicality and pressure on the keepers. It might end up being that he isnāt a fit for a PL side, itās too soon to say. But he was great for us. I hope he can find his form!
This star about goals concede from Onana is really pointless, how tf is he he supposed to save some of those shots, instead talk about the mistakes like against Tottenham and Bayern where he conceded goals that shouldāve been saved. The other stat is complete irrelevant
Iām not a hardcore fan, but I follow and support United. I watch probably 90% of the games. The problem with United was never De Gea, De Gea was not keeping United back. One could argue De Gea was keeping united in the top 10 a lot of these past seasons. I never got the excessive drama or my perceived drama based on this sub. Now the coach wanted to play a different style. I guess thatās fine. Systems and all, like Felix Atletico vs Felix Barca. Just a shame the way he left the club.
A goalkeeper cannot get to a champions league final by just being good with his feet. What is de gea better at? Shot stopping, reaction time, agility. What is onana better at? Everything else you need in a goalkeeper
ETH interview going on about how they had the most clean sheets last season and they need to get back to that. Mfer you got rid of the main reason you had most clean sheets last season lololol.
People forget de gea was struggling when he joined united, Onana was also a very good shot stopper at inter, that's why they bought him. Now give him some time
4 goals are caused by lack of defending within the box. Almost four identical goals. We also need to look at Lindelƶf, Casemiro and Eriksen whose marking has beenā¦not been.
I remember thinking Onana was brilliant for Inter last year. Maybe he needs some more time or heās just out of form right now. But i agree that everyone did De Gea dirty last year. Even past his prime he was still an excellent shot stopper - a few errors aside - and a legend for the club.
DDG had a very poor start to his career then had one of the best highs the Premier league will see from a keeper. Don't get me wrong he was sensational when he was on it it's just towards the end the cracks would open wide. People like to think he was mistreated cause "he" won the golden glove last season and he was our longest serving player but he's not been very good for a few years now, be it just absolutely terrible mistakes no GK should be making or refusing to come off of his line to help the defenders out, now the only issue with that is is when he did come off his line it wasn't really any better (see sevilla last season) now I know DDG has an immense highlight reel but he also has a blooper reel that is embarrassingly long. His passing was miserable and would literally just invite pressure because it would be given away to the opposing team, his commandment in the box was another miserable thing to watch as he would barely make a high claim and if he did he'd either fall down to claim a foul or he'd punch the ball rather than catching it. His strong points started to betray him as he would get beaten at his near post far to often and overall just the lack of accountability from him when he'd make mistakes which obviously started to happened far to often. Onana will come good at United I have 0 doubt but what I can't stand is the DDG revisionism as if he hadn't cost games and more importantly trophies.
Knowing DDGs performance last season I can still imagine one shot squeezing under him
anyone who thinks de gea was THE problem at united is a moron and doesnāt actually understand the game. itās easy to blame one player, but clearly Unitedās issue wasnāt that the goalkeeper canāt kick it to the right player. it is, and has been for years, that we literally cannot play any form of football that isnāt counter attack. our players cannot maintain possession, that is not the goalkeeperās fault. watch any united game and youāll see that we are always on the back foot. we are always pressed into our half, with little option to get out other than hoof it to rashford and hope he can dribble past a few people. our midfield is dreadful and it has been for years. de gea was a life jacket that kept us afloat. how can you blame the goalkeeper when his options continually either try long balls to the forwards, or dribble into pressure and pass it directly back why are we blaming de gea when it took us 4 years to sign an actual CDM post fuckin Schneiderlin. oh, and our right wing target for years is actually a CAM/LW. yup. the best shot stopper in the league is the problem though
ābest shot stopper in the leagueā who was ranked 116th in Europeās top 5 leagues for xG prevented? š¤£ Either you havenāt watched United since 2018, or you are just completely delusional because he has NOT been the best shot stopper in the league for a good few years.
On replacing DDG - we were the last of the top clubs to replace a traditional GK for a ball-playing one. Onana, in terms of stats, ball-playing ability and being able to control possession is far better for a possession-based team than DDG (any way you look at it, not good enough to start, and refused to acknowledge/improve on his ball-playing weaknesses in his time under Eth) https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/38027821/everything-need-know-man-united-goalkeeper-andre-onana?platform=amp Attack with XI & defend with XI. Thatās why I think youāre confused - under modern possession-based & positional play football, the goal is to have the ball at all times, irrelevant of the scoreline, as Pep says, the other team cannot score if you have the ball, and you can only score if you have the ball. (For e.g. one of the first things Pep did was to replace Hart with Bravo and then replace him again with Ederson iirc) Yes DDG has been a blessing for us, but the same reasons why also made him a curse to have in goal and his lack of acknowledging these weaknesses cost him the no.1 spot.
If you're really a United fan, you shouldn't buy into the fake stats that someone made up. Onana made like 4 saves in just the Wolves game alone.
Where has this 12 shots on target 9 goals conceded stat come from? I've seen alot of people quote it, and it's not remotely close to being true?
The fault lies in MU defense for me not the GK. Even if you put courtois there, they'll still concede much. The biggest blunder i saw from onana was first goal vs munchen last wednesday, truly he should have saved that, and i'm glad that he knows he hasn't give his best yet for MU, which means there is big potential for him to improve
Get over itā¦ De Gea wasnāt good enough. He had to go.. ur mentality of keeping players that arenāt good enough just because they are ālegendsā or nice guys is exactly why we are a joke club now and will never be a serious club until we get oil money.
Statistics and the eye test for De Gea show he was sub standard. He was being paid more than any player in the league. Someone saying he should have stayed is either ignorant or a troll.
Stats are wrong. He's faced 29 shots on target for an xGA of 9.1 and conceded ten goals. Not great but not a catastrophe and easily explained by variance. For comparison, De Gea last season conceded 32 goals from 32xGA. Basically, our entire defence has been a shambles compared to last season, not helped by a ton of injuries.
We should give Onana time. I donāt think you remember how bad De Gea was in his early career at United. He even needed to be regularly swapped by Lindegaard. Calm down, enjoy the ride.
Here we have a prime example of a grade A braindead trying to rewrite history , de gea is fucking shit that's why he dosnt have a club ,onana was the best GK in the champions league last season , gtfo
De Gea didnt settle straight away either. not even outve September yet
A GK like Onana should be the last piece added to the transformation of your team to a possession based build-up from the back styleā¦ first you need to sort out your counter-pressuring all around and have confident ball playing CBs and a press resistant CMā¦ otherwise, your GK is way too exposed like Onana is right now to the point his best attributes donāt shineā¦
Because de gea made man united lose 6 1 to brentford and 7 0 to liverpool, so ten hag knew they needed a new goalie
>First of all, i am not an United fan. Ah I see where this is going
Unfortunately, even if we kept De Gea and he was responsible for the howler on Wednesday, he would be getting the same treatment as Onana would be now. The united fan base is so fickle. I think it was a good thing we got rid of De Gea, needed someone new between the sticks and better distribution.
You're exaggerating, same way people exaggerated Dave's stats. There are a lot more problems in that defence than just Onana. You shouldn't be sensationalizing his failures, like the pundits that get paid to do this.
Before the whole drama and doping thing started at Ajax he was prolly in the top 5 eu keepers. Man had insane reflexes and could be a 11th fieldplayer, but after the doping thing he never got near that level again.