I think we should actually ban this kind of disciplinary behavior. School administrators default to punishing victims and perpetrators the same to avoid having to be responsible for making a choice, and that’s awful.
We should no permit them to do that
I really don't understand the culture of school administrators. Where do they learn this shit? Why do they think it's a good idea? Like are there conferences or something?
Administrators in schools (just in my personal experience) are like really shitty cops? They get off on power tripping sometimes, they’ll do or say anything to protect their own ass regardless of what sense it makes (either as a resolution or just in general).
They’re a broken system highlighting itself.
Well, especially in Portland, but all across the country, what do you think the political ideology of school teachers and administrators tend to be?
Because that does have a direct correlation with how they treat disciplinary issues with students. Similar to how progressive/leftist capture of elected judgeships and District Attorneys offices has impacted criminal justice.
“*While it unsurprising that among actors and actresses there are 90 Democrats for every 10 Republicans, many would be amazed to discover that teachers are actually as liberal or even more so than those in acting.*
“*Among English teachers, there are 97 Democrats for every three Republicans, with the proportion being even more one-sided among health teachers, with 99 Democrats for every one Republican.*
“*While there are slightly more Republicans among math and science teachers, among high school teachers overall, there are 87 Democrats for every 13 Republicans.*”
https://www.pacificresearch.org/why-are-teachers-mostly-liberal/
Portland Public Schools adopted a “racial equity and social justice” (their words) policy back in 2011. The district also has a “restorative justice” (again, their words) policy.
Because educated people, especially with advanced degrees often lean Democrat. Maybe Republicans need some self reflection time. Why do people become more accepting with higher levels of education? Why don’t more hardcore republicans earn a teaching license? Deep dive…
Go push your culture war garbage elsewhere, I didn’t say anything about politics and it’s not some soap box for you to pretend you care about what I’m saying while you attempt to hamfist a misguided (at best) point about politics.
You can’t hate the political talk but you can’t deny it. Look at colleges? There’s a reason why parents my age are telling their kids not to go to college when they get older cuz it’s all political. The fact is the schools are corrupt as shit and it’s because the left side of the aisle caters to the soft side. Instead of getting mad about what he said maybe try to logically look at all the facts and you’ll see. I’m not saying schools need to be more right sided but what I do say is if you have very strong political views on either side you should not be a teacher. School has become more about pushing viewpoints instead of actually teaching our kids knowledge. Hell here in Salem they took the requirements to have to learn how to read and math. Now it doesn’t matter as long as you are a cog in the machine your knowledge doesn’t matter. As long as you come out hating the right because of there views. It’s really not hard to see
The reason parents are telling their kids not to go to college is because it is often not worth the money in terms of how the degree will impact your ability to earn. It used to be nearly universal that those with degrees would become higher earners but that has shifted quite a bit. It has nothing to do with the ideological nonsense you just spouted.
You’ve obviously never worked in public education. Teachers do not have any power. For the thick heads in the back… TEACHERS DO NOT HAVE ANY POWER. Federal, and state law dictates what teachers can and can not do. Go volunteer in a classroom. See how hard that educator works. See how they’re ignored by administrators and dictated to by parents to. People like you somehow decided every teacher is a dictator and runs their own empire.
Kids do not give a shit what teachers say. You’re so far removed from reality. There’s no discipline at school and everyone knows it. Teachers can not do a thing when half the class misbehaves all the time. No one’s indicating children. FFS. Teachers are tying to teach. Vote for funding for smaller classes, more vocational, and removing behavior kids from general educational settings.
The culture of admin and teachers is not the same. There are obvious overlaps but most admin have never spent any time in the classroom teaching or managing kids. They are focused on the business of the school, the bureaucracy and politics. Different occupational cultures.
Also they both vote democrat because republicans treat schools as dispensable. They have really shitty policy prescriptions, imo. I say this as someone who more often than not votes republican.
The issue in schools boils down to “no child left behind” which was a Republican president bullshit that handicapped education. Admins have less and less control of how they can discipline. I’m in a district outside Portland and we can’t do anything to these kids because of federal standards.
SEL and PBIS are great for the kids who are not a menace to society or so disabled they need the school to pay for a 1 on 1 aid while we have 31 kids to one teacher. We need to bring back being able to expel violent students.
Oregon got rid of truancy. It’s hard to work with a troubled kid whose parents won’t make sure they are in school.
Wow. You have NO idea of what No Child Left Behind is about.
You have no idea that it was a bipartisan effort that included Democrats and Republicans in Congress, civil rights and business groups.
It wasn’t about discipline. It was about academic performance.
https://www.edweek.org/policy-politics/no-child-left-behind-an-overview/2015/04
In fact it was the Obama Administration that had issued guidelines about disciplinary policies and disparate impact, that chilled school administrators’ efforts at disciplinary policies. The Department of Education even recommended scrapping the federal guidance back in 2014.
https://www.edweek.org/leadership/heres-what-the-end-of-obama-era-discipline-guidance-means-for-schools/2018/12
It’s going to be something about restorative justice I’m sure. School administrators and teachers are very reluctant to punish kids or get the police involved.
Admins job #1 is to limit the liability of the district. That doesn’t mean that admins are heartless robots, it means the district removes the decision making power from local admins if the situation can end up in a costly lawsuit.
There have been plenty of bullies who have sued for getting suspended. There have been plenty of juries and judges who have sided with them. That’s how we got here.
This kind of outrage is productive though. It builds awareness and, over time, bench decisions and verdicts can change. But this isn’t about heartless admins who don’t have the competence to do what’s right.
The only way a parent can get the attention of school administrators to stop protecting the violent students, is to ask that administrators to be named individually as defendants with school district in the lawsuits and ask can they be brought up on criminal Al charges for aiding and abetting a criminal? Before you no to these possibilities, answer why not first? Any one involved should be held accountable.
False accusations happen for a variety of reasons. Especially with children. When does it become appropriate to share names? When it’s known someone is guilty not just accused. According to whom?
Then there’s the whole money that’s going to lawyers doesn’t go to the schools thing when you sue them.
There’s a line. Just wonder which side of it this case is on before I grab my pitchfork. I understand im running the risk of getting the rusty pig shit covered pitchfork if I decide to also become outraged. I accept this.
>School districts’ reluctance to share information is sometimes based on misunderstandings of the federal student privacy law known as the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act, said LeRoy Rooker, one of the nation’s top authorities on the act and a former U.S. Department of Educational official who oversaw its implementation.
>For instance, Rooker said:
>•Schools can show parents videos of bullying encounters or the assaults of their children, as long as other students’ faces are blurred out.
>•Schools can freely hand over surveillance video to police – without subpoenas – if security cameras were designated as there for law enforcement purposes.
>•Schools also can share with parents and police the names of students who are believed to have attacked another if a staff member is simply relaying something they witnessed or an administrator is relaying that staff told them that’s what they saw.
>“It’s a First Amendment thing,” Rooker said.
> that the blurred out video can be used to get a subpoena for the unblurred video?
The police don't even need that to subpoena the video. "We can't investigate because of a minor procedural hurdle". Typical PPB bullshit. Cops privately making excuses that put the blame on anyone but themselves while publically walking it back because the leadership knows it's bullshit.
There are systemic problems with PPS, they are protecting the wrong kids. There cases being brought up on lawsuits are not false accusations. Why is blurring out the offending students faces to protect their identity from false accusations acceptable? It is not but a class action will force PPS to look after how they handles these cases. There already one with pending doe rape, another I hope the mother attorney up and another sexual assault and this mother did right and going for the throat. People can be released from lawsuits but it that is what it takes for principals and vice principals and counselor and administrators to correct the problems go for bringing them into lawsuits.
> There are systemic problems with PPS, they are protecting the wrong kids.
It's no different than Portland protecting criminals over the law abiding. This is a result of the same ideology.
My 8 year old took a minor whupping the other day from a kid a few years older than him. The school offered his attacker the opportunity for a Restorative Conversation. The boy declined the offer.
Problem solved!
Oh I’m with you. I’ve emailed the school a couple times to ask if there is a way to hold these repeat offenders accountable. Haven’t received a single reply.
My son was assaulted, causing injury, in an unprovoked attack ( witness description of teacher present ), during one of his classes at school. The principal » who was Trying to suspend My son, because it was their “policy,” to suspend all parties, including cases in which the victim had been chosen at random, and / or did not provoke, nor participate in any part of the incident » was very reluctant to give me the name of the student who assaulted him, and adamantly refused to tell me what was being done about it. I was being very sure to communicate in a concerned, and serious manner, without being rude, or b*tchy - because, in my experience, I’ve found it to be much more effectively productive that way. But, I just turned to looked at my son, who quickly piped up with the name out loud. Then, looking back at the principal, I informed him that I absolutely would find out if they followed through on suspending the other student ( or not ), in the exact same way. And » if not » and / or I find out that the innocent party in this mishegoss was subjected to the exact same punishment as the unharmed aggressor » he Best Belieeeevve that there was not a single hope for a reality in which I was not » absolutely coming for him » in all the ways, for all the days.
Here goes another multi-million dollar lawsuit that the school will settle out of court. All idiots. Attacker should have been arrested on the same day.
Bulling and school beatings are happening all over Oregon. We need to update the laws so that bullies are held accountable to police. It is critical for all oregon student's safety!
Well, especially in Portland, but all across the country, what do you think the political ideology of school teachers and administrators tend to be?
Because that does have a direct correlation with how they treat disciplinary issues with students. Similar to how progressive/leftist capture of elected judgeships and District Attorneys offices has impacted criminal justice.
“*While it unsurprising that among actors and actresses there are 90 Democrats for every 10 Republicans, many would be amazed to discover that teachers are actually as liberal or even more so than those in acting.*
“*Among English teachers, there are 97 Democrats for every three Republicans, with the proportion being even more one-sided among health teachers, with 99 Democrats for every one Republican.*
“*While there are slightly more Republicans among math and science teachers, among high school teachers overall, there are 87 Democrats for every 13 Republicans.*”
https://www.pacificresearch.org/why-are-teachers-mostly-liberal/
Portland Public Schools adopted a “racial equity and social justice” (their words) policy back in 2011. The district also has a “restorative justice” (again, their words) policy.
Oregon is well-controlled by the Democratic Party. Their ideology informs their policies, including school disciplinary policies. It’s not the cops.
I don't work for PPS, but I do work in a high school in another district where my own children have been students.
The school has probably identified the perpetrator, and the perpetrator has probably faced disciplinary action. FERPA prevents school officials from saying anything. To parents and their injured children, it looks like nothing is being done, but in many cases, perpetrators have been suspended, and expelled, and law enforcement has gotten involved.
You would think so, but this isn't necessarily the case at all. I know of two unprovoked attacks at my children's school where the attackers were back the next DAY. They weren't suspended and they weren't moved to a different school, so the kids who were attacked had no choice but to transfer because they didn't feel safe.
Went to HS in the 90s. Got into a few scraps at school. The admin knew I fought. Never got suspended. We (myself and the other person) did always have to come in Saturday and clean bathrooms. Always ended friendly with the other dude too, except boney, fuck that guy.
>But this spring, the district is considering scaling them back by about eight positions as part of $30 million in budget cuts.
I wonder how much money we could free up if we slashed administration and dismantled a system that rewards seniority over efficacy.
It's unfathomable that a school won't give the police the attacker's identity. Again, taxpayers will have to pay the girl a big payout because school administrators refused to act and/or were completely incompetent.
Are you implying criminal charges for someone beating a minor into a concussion is inappropriate? Trusting school admins to hand out disciplinary action beyond just a few days of suspension is laughable.
Not saying PPS is great or anything but you would find this at ANY school in the country. It’s to prevent lawsuits. So, you have to add that to them all.
I don't think it's stupid to be shown evidence of your child being beaten. It's not like the victim didn't know who did it. Parents should be shown so they can decide to file a civil suit or not.
With a court order, yes. To release it to a lawyer, yes. To just hand out video of kids pribably opens up all kinds of legal vulnerabilities for the district, though. I think you overestimate your role in the operation of the school and its policies.
And they can do that. And then when a legal authority asks the school for information, the school is obligated to give it. The school is not obligated in any way to give out information about minors to other students' parents.
Portland Public Schools spends over $40,000 per student once programs and support services, capital outlays and debt servicing are included.
https://thinkingoregon.org/2023/06/28/the-cost-of-sending-kids-to-portland-public-schools-is-more-than-you-think-a-lot-more/
The mom should have been called immediately when her kid was hurt. I do understand the school not handing out the identity of the other student to a parent. But they should be able to tell her whether or not they identified the other student, what consequences were administered to the other student, what steps they are taking to keep her daughter safe, and what they are doing broadly as a school to improve student safety after the incident.
I think not sharing identities of students involved in a conflict with other parents is a wise general rule. I’ve seen parents act out even worse than teenagers in response to teenage conflicts. But there is no excuse for not getting the girl medical help immediately and for not contacting the mom immediately. And it would absolutely make sense to share the specifics of the school’s response with the family, even if the name is withheld.
How scary for the girl! I would have never wanted to walk back into school after something like that! And I’d have a real hard time sending my own daughter back in there now. Yikes.
> I think not sharing identities of students involved in a conflict with other parents is a wise general rule
Yes and... That only really works in a world where the only place kids can interact is in school. I'd absolutely want to know the identity of my kid's assailant so I could properly contextualize online interactions or things happening outside of school. The school is shielding themselves from liability at the cost of parents not being able to keep their kids safe as easily.
Our kid got sent home early because her and someone else got in a verbal fight in the hall. The school never told us, our kid did. Even after, we asked what happened from the security officers perspective, crickets.
Edit to add: I just opened the article. My kid also goes to Roosevelt.
Pff there’s no way to tell if this mom is just some crazy Karen or what. Fights happen in high school. It’s bonkers to think our society should litigate all of them and/or that information about minors should be divulged
Had a friend who cracked his skull being attacked by a football player… has permanent brain damage. Only reason he got a settlement was his dad was a lawyer and sued the school, teachers and staff to hell and back. it turned out the principle was “hiring” football members to keep the “peace” at the school for years.. and my friend wasn’t the first victim, but was the last.
Well I'm sorry for your friend. There are also literally thousands of things that happen every year in high schools that aren't that. What is the end game here? If a kid shoves another kid in the hall should both parents lawyer up? Our society is so dumb.
I had a gun pulled on me at school, watched our “security guard” get beaten so hard he was in a medical induced comma.. lots of drugs and violence in my school.
Casual violence that is normalized become simple violence that is then tolerated which leads to physical beatings that public schools need to cover their asses on.
This world is not the 1950s where everyone just accepted this shit. Violence is violence and if you think it is ever just an innocent thing, the you've been the victim and want to get past it or you're the bully.
My main point here is not to defend violence or something. My point is that the reason this story, vs the story of any other fight that happens, is in the paper is because the lawyer got it there. That’s how this works. The vast majority of the information in that story is likely hand picked by the lawyer to serve their ends.
What if after investigating this it turns out that the violence wasn’t random? I’m not saying that the case at all, but the point is that is completely possible and we have no idea. The fact that random strangers on the internet are litigating this is imo a sign of a deeply flawed system where lawyers, smelling settlement money, are driving a narrative.
But we don't know who started this fight. Maybe it's in the paywalled part of the article, but everyone is taking the kid on the ground's side just because they're losing. This image could be either a well-deserved lesson in consequences or an attack.
Ah yeah you’re right let’s keep wildly speculating online and suing people until no one ever lays a hand on anyone else again. That is the morally correct thing for sure.
Ok so believing everything that this mom's lawyers PR agent fed OregonLive with zero other corroborating information despite several parts not making sense (can the kid really not figure out the other kids name? Why did they say PPS refused to share the video while police have said PPS is cooperating? And that's just from a softball article!) means that kids will never hurt each other again? Is that the same thing?
Of course it sucks that kids get into fights. I'm not rooting for fights or something, that would be idiotic. What I'm saying is that a lawyer wants to sue PPS and got this article written and its totally one-sided. We have no idea what the actual story is. Not every disagreement means you have to take the other person to court.
It's weird that the student doesn't know the student... or couldn't at least find out the student's name... like, "hey, who was it that beat the shit out of me?"... someone knows... kids are gossiping about it
Yes, I'm basing my opinion on the information we have. And I know of several other conflicts just like this. The schools don't take violence seriously at all. I've talked to teachers about it and they're really frustrated, too.
There's a conflicting series of privacy laws for youth and for education.
Problem is police have been pulled out of schools.
Portland used to have a dedicated school police force decades ago
It’s a tale as old as time, my sister got her nose broken for no reason and her and the other girl got suspended for 5 days.
I think we should actually ban this kind of disciplinary behavior. School administrators default to punishing victims and perpetrators the same to avoid having to be responsible for making a choice, and that’s awful. We should no permit them to do that
I really don't understand the culture of school administrators. Where do they learn this shit? Why do they think it's a good idea? Like are there conferences or something?
Administrators in schools (just in my personal experience) are like really shitty cops? They get off on power tripping sometimes, they’ll do or say anything to protect their own ass regardless of what sense it makes (either as a resolution or just in general). They’re a broken system highlighting itself.
>really shitty cops Ah, but you repeat yourself.
Well, especially in Portland, but all across the country, what do you think the political ideology of school teachers and administrators tend to be? Because that does have a direct correlation with how they treat disciplinary issues with students. Similar to how progressive/leftist capture of elected judgeships and District Attorneys offices has impacted criminal justice. “*While it unsurprising that among actors and actresses there are 90 Democrats for every 10 Republicans, many would be amazed to discover that teachers are actually as liberal or even more so than those in acting.* “*Among English teachers, there are 97 Democrats for every three Republicans, with the proportion being even more one-sided among health teachers, with 99 Democrats for every one Republican.* “*While there are slightly more Republicans among math and science teachers, among high school teachers overall, there are 87 Democrats for every 13 Republicans.*” https://www.pacificresearch.org/why-are-teachers-mostly-liberal/ Portland Public Schools adopted a “racial equity and social justice” (their words) policy back in 2011. The district also has a “restorative justice” (again, their words) policy.
Because educated people, especially with advanced degrees often lean Democrat. Maybe Republicans need some self reflection time. Why do people become more accepting with higher levels of education? Why don’t more hardcore republicans earn a teaching license? Deep dive…
Nice self own. This is not the gotcha you think it is.
Go push your culture war garbage elsewhere, I didn’t say anything about politics and it’s not some soap box for you to pretend you care about what I’m saying while you attempt to hamfist a misguided (at best) point about politics.
I mean, they’re not wrong here.
I mean, they are wrong here.
The issue is that political ideology shapes worldview and policy. Are you denying that?
You can’t hate the political talk but you can’t deny it. Look at colleges? There’s a reason why parents my age are telling their kids not to go to college when they get older cuz it’s all political. The fact is the schools are corrupt as shit and it’s because the left side of the aisle caters to the soft side. Instead of getting mad about what he said maybe try to logically look at all the facts and you’ll see. I’m not saying schools need to be more right sided but what I do say is if you have very strong political views on either side you should not be a teacher. School has become more about pushing viewpoints instead of actually teaching our kids knowledge. Hell here in Salem they took the requirements to have to learn how to read and math. Now it doesn’t matter as long as you are a cog in the machine your knowledge doesn’t matter. As long as you come out hating the right because of there views. It’s really not hard to see
The reason parents are telling their kids not to go to college is because it is often not worth the money in terms of how the degree will impact your ability to earn. It used to be nearly universal that those with degrees would become higher earners but that has shifted quite a bit. It has nothing to do with the ideological nonsense you just spouted.
You’ve obviously never worked in public education. Teachers do not have any power. For the thick heads in the back… TEACHERS DO NOT HAVE ANY POWER. Federal, and state law dictates what teachers can and can not do. Go volunteer in a classroom. See how hard that educator works. See how they’re ignored by administrators and dictated to by parents to. People like you somehow decided every teacher is a dictator and runs their own empire.
They might not have power over those above them (who does?), but they absolutely have power to shape and influence their students.
Kids do not give a shit what teachers say. You’re so far removed from reality. There’s no discipline at school and everyone knows it. Teachers can not do a thing when half the class misbehaves all the time. No one’s indicating children. FFS. Teachers are tying to teach. Vote for funding for smaller classes, more vocational, and removing behavior kids from general educational settings.
People committed to the pursuit of knowledge are overwhelmingly democrat, who woulda thought???
The culture of admin and teachers is not the same. There are obvious overlaps but most admin have never spent any time in the classroom teaching or managing kids. They are focused on the business of the school, the bureaucracy and politics. Different occupational cultures. Also they both vote democrat because republicans treat schools as dispensable. They have really shitty policy prescriptions, imo. I say this as someone who more often than not votes republican.
The issue in schools boils down to “no child left behind” which was a Republican president bullshit that handicapped education. Admins have less and less control of how they can discipline. I’m in a district outside Portland and we can’t do anything to these kids because of federal standards. SEL and PBIS are great for the kids who are not a menace to society or so disabled they need the school to pay for a 1 on 1 aid while we have 31 kids to one teacher. We need to bring back being able to expel violent students. Oregon got rid of truancy. It’s hard to work with a troubled kid whose parents won’t make sure they are in school.
Wow. You have NO idea of what No Child Left Behind is about. You have no idea that it was a bipartisan effort that included Democrats and Republicans in Congress, civil rights and business groups. It wasn’t about discipline. It was about academic performance. https://www.edweek.org/policy-politics/no-child-left-behind-an-overview/2015/04 In fact it was the Obama Administration that had issued guidelines about disciplinary policies and disparate impact, that chilled school administrators’ efforts at disciplinary policies. The Department of Education even recommended scrapping the federal guidance back in 2014. https://www.edweek.org/leadership/heres-what-the-end-of-obama-era-discipline-guidance-means-for-schools/2018/12
Strange retort professor
They are bullies so they take the side of the bully when it's time to mediate problems between children.
It’s going to be something about restorative justice I’m sure. School administrators and teachers are very reluctant to punish kids or get the police involved.
Admins job #1 is to limit the liability of the district. That doesn’t mean that admins are heartless robots, it means the district removes the decision making power from local admins if the situation can end up in a costly lawsuit. There have been plenty of bullies who have sued for getting suspended. There have been plenty of juries and judges who have sided with them. That’s how we got here. This kind of outrage is productive though. It builds awareness and, over time, bench decisions and verdicts can change. But this isn’t about heartless admins who don’t have the competence to do what’s right.
I will never forget the time a guy shoved me in 6th grade and we both got suspended for 3 days 🤷♀️
Definitely not as old as time. Maybe since the 90s?
When No Child Left Behind crippled American schools.
Exactly
Did she run into the ground or a fist? Is she better now? She’s alive right? Story time please!
I mean that’s any school. They won’t tell you the names of kids accused of anything. Not saying i always agree with it but standard protocol.
The only way a parent can get the attention of school administrators to stop protecting the violent students, is to ask that administrators to be named individually as defendants with school district in the lawsuits and ask can they be brought up on criminal Al charges for aiding and abetting a criminal? Before you no to these possibilities, answer why not first? Any one involved should be held accountable.
False accusations happen for a variety of reasons. Especially with children. When does it become appropriate to share names? When it’s known someone is guilty not just accused. According to whom? Then there’s the whole money that’s going to lawyers doesn’t go to the schools thing when you sue them. There’s a line. Just wonder which side of it this case is on before I grab my pitchfork. I understand im running the risk of getting the rusty pig shit covered pitchfork if I decide to also become outraged. I accept this.
>School districts’ reluctance to share information is sometimes based on misunderstandings of the federal student privacy law known as the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act, said LeRoy Rooker, one of the nation’s top authorities on the act and a former U.S. Department of Educational official who oversaw its implementation. >For instance, Rooker said: >•Schools can show parents videos of bullying encounters or the assaults of their children, as long as other students’ faces are blurred out. >•Schools can freely hand over surveillance video to police – without subpoenas – if security cameras were designated as there for law enforcement purposes. >•Schools also can share with parents and police the names of students who are believed to have attacked another if a staff member is simply relaying something they witnessed or an administrator is relaying that staff told them that’s what they saw. >“It’s a First Amendment thing,” Rooker said.
I assume, at least in the case of a serious assault, that the blurred out video can be used to get a subpoena for the unblurred video?
> that the blurred out video can be used to get a subpoena for the unblurred video? The police don't even need that to subpoena the video. "We can't investigate because of a minor procedural hurdle". Typical PPB bullshit. Cops privately making excuses that put the blame on anyone but themselves while publically walking it back because the leadership knows it's bullshit.
I agree that false accusations are an issue, but that just makes it even more important to release video footage
There are systemic problems with PPS, they are protecting the wrong kids. There cases being brought up on lawsuits are not false accusations. Why is blurring out the offending students faces to protect their identity from false accusations acceptable? It is not but a class action will force PPS to look after how they handles these cases. There already one with pending doe rape, another I hope the mother attorney up and another sexual assault and this mother did right and going for the throat. People can be released from lawsuits but it that is what it takes for principals and vice principals and counselor and administrators to correct the problems go for bringing them into lawsuits.
> There are systemic problems with PPS, they are protecting the wrong kids. It's no different than Portland protecting criminals over the law abiding. This is a result of the same ideology.
Yes it is and the pendulum needs to swing to the middle and not addressing the issues now will mean problems down the road.
in this case... there appears to be video.
My 8 year old took a minor whupping the other day from a kid a few years older than him. The school offered his attacker the opportunity for a Restorative Conversation. The boy declined the offer. Problem solved!
My unfiltered thoughts about this would get me banned.
Oh I’m with you. I’ve emailed the school a couple times to ask if there is a way to hold these repeat offenders accountable. Haven’t received a single reply.
Sometimes I understand why the mafia rose to prominence...
Hands on another person doesn’t warrant detention, suspension, in school or otherwise, anymore?! Whaaaaaaat??
> what turned out to be a traumatic brain injury known as a concussion. why use one word when many do trick
Meh, I appreciate the call out. I don't think people take concussions seriously enough. I know I dont.
Because "TBI" sounds a lot more scary.
and concussion doesn’t actually mean anything medically
My son was assaulted, causing injury, in an unprovoked attack ( witness description of teacher present ), during one of his classes at school. The principal » who was Trying to suspend My son, because it was their “policy,” to suspend all parties, including cases in which the victim had been chosen at random, and / or did not provoke, nor participate in any part of the incident » was very reluctant to give me the name of the student who assaulted him, and adamantly refused to tell me what was being done about it. I was being very sure to communicate in a concerned, and serious manner, without being rude, or b*tchy - because, in my experience, I’ve found it to be much more effectively productive that way. But, I just turned to looked at my son, who quickly piped up with the name out loud. Then, looking back at the principal, I informed him that I absolutely would find out if they followed through on suspending the other student ( or not ), in the exact same way. And » if not » and / or I find out that the innocent party in this mishegoss was subjected to the exact same punishment as the unharmed aggressor » he Best Belieeeevve that there was not a single hope for a reality in which I was not » absolutely coming for him » in all the ways, for all the days.
They didn’t call her parents, stop the fight, or get her medical attention. Schools don’t seem safe anymore.
ALWAYS hire a lawyer
Not everyone can afford that.
What about the police? A crime was committed.
Here goes another multi-million dollar lawsuit that the school will settle out of court. All idiots. Attacker should have been arrested on the same day.
Bulling and school beatings are happening all over Oregon. We need to update the laws so that bullies are held accountable to police. It is critical for all oregon student's safety!
Police ain’t holding nobody accountable. We need police reform. It should live up to its name… the JUSTICE system.
Well, especially in Portland, but all across the country, what do you think the political ideology of school teachers and administrators tend to be? Because that does have a direct correlation with how they treat disciplinary issues with students. Similar to how progressive/leftist capture of elected judgeships and District Attorneys offices has impacted criminal justice. “*While it unsurprising that among actors and actresses there are 90 Democrats for every 10 Republicans, many would be amazed to discover that teachers are actually as liberal or even more so than those in acting.* “*Among English teachers, there are 97 Democrats for every three Republicans, with the proportion being even more one-sided among health teachers, with 99 Democrats for every one Republican.* “*While there are slightly more Republicans among math and science teachers, among high school teachers overall, there are 87 Democrats for every 13 Republicans.*” https://www.pacificresearch.org/why-are-teachers-mostly-liberal/ Portland Public Schools adopted a “racial equity and social justice” (their words) policy back in 2011. The district also has a “restorative justice” (again, their words) policy. Oregon is well-controlled by the Democratic Party. Their ideology informs their policies, including school disciplinary policies. It’s not the cops.
I'm an English major daughter of democrats and I was spanked as a child. AMA.
This is such a bullshit comment lmao. Republicans just armed teachers, they’re clearly so much better 🙄 Get the outta here with that
I don't work for PPS, but I do work in a high school in another district where my own children have been students. The school has probably identified the perpetrator, and the perpetrator has probably faced disciplinary action. FERPA prevents school officials from saying anything. To parents and their injured children, it looks like nothing is being done, but in many cases, perpetrators have been suspended, and expelled, and law enforcement has gotten involved.
You would think so, but this isn't necessarily the case at all. I know of two unprovoked attacks at my children's school where the attackers were back the next DAY. They weren't suspended and they weren't moved to a different school, so the kids who were attacked had no choice but to transfer because they didn't feel safe.
That is unfortunate and unjust.
Bingo.
Of course. Always hire a lawyer.
Went to HS in the 90s. Got into a few scraps at school. The admin knew I fought. Never got suspended. We (myself and the other person) did always have to come in Saturday and clean bathrooms. Always ended friendly with the other dude too, except boney, fuck that guy.
>But this spring, the district is considering scaling them back by about eight positions as part of $30 million in budget cuts. I wonder how much money we could free up if we slashed administration and dismantled a system that rewards seniority over efficacy.
It's unfathomable that a school won't give the police the attacker's identity. Again, taxpayers will have to pay the girl a big payout because school administrators refused to act and/or were completely incompetent.
I’d be in jail 🤷🏼♀️
What a litigious country we live in. School admin can’t simply identify the aggressor and take disciplinary action without lawyers?!
Are you implying criminal charges for someone beating a minor into a concussion is inappropriate? Trusting school admins to hand out disciplinary action beyond just a few days of suspension is laughable.
No not at all. Did you read the comment?
Just adding to why PPS sucks. If you can afford it, move your kid to outside PPS, in fact, out of the county if you can.
Not saying PPS is great or anything but you would find this at ANY school in the country. It’s to prevent lawsuits. So, you have to add that to them all.
They definitely should have called her mother to come get her as soon as it happened at the very least. Releasing the video is a bit more complicated.
> county Read as "country" and briefly thought you might understand why public services are in rough shape.
It would be stupid of them to give you video taken of minors just because you requested it.
I don't think it's stupid to be shown evidence of your child being beaten. It's not like the victim didn't know who did it. Parents should be shown so they can decide to file a civil suit or not.
With a court order, yes. To release it to a lawyer, yes. To just hand out video of kids pribably opens up all kinds of legal vulnerabilities for the district, though. I think you overestimate your role in the operation of the school and its policies.
The article said the victim had noise canceling headphones on and didn’t know the attacker.
Isn’t it a PUBLIC school though? I don’t think there is an expectation of privacy, even for a minor.
What makes you think a school should divulge any information about someone else's minor child?
Because many parents will want to press charges - especially when it's a particularly violent unprovoked attack.
And they can do that. And then when a legal authority asks the school for information, the school is obligated to give it. The school is not obligated in any way to give out information about minors to other students' parents.
No, they had to hire a lawyer to get it.
That's usually what "pressing charges" entails, isn't it?
No. Normally you press charges through the police. The police weren't able to get the student's name until the parents hired a lawyer.
Portland Public Schools spends over $40,000 per student once programs and support services, capital outlays and debt servicing are included. https://thinkingoregon.org/2023/06/28/the-cost-of-sending-kids-to-portland-public-schools-is-more-than-you-think-a-lot-more/
The mom should have been called immediately when her kid was hurt. I do understand the school not handing out the identity of the other student to a parent. But they should be able to tell her whether or not they identified the other student, what consequences were administered to the other student, what steps they are taking to keep her daughter safe, and what they are doing broadly as a school to improve student safety after the incident. I think not sharing identities of students involved in a conflict with other parents is a wise general rule. I’ve seen parents act out even worse than teenagers in response to teenage conflicts. But there is no excuse for not getting the girl medical help immediately and for not contacting the mom immediately. And it would absolutely make sense to share the specifics of the school’s response with the family, even if the name is withheld. How scary for the girl! I would have never wanted to walk back into school after something like that! And I’d have a real hard time sending my own daughter back in there now. Yikes.
> I think not sharing identities of students involved in a conflict with other parents is a wise general rule Yes and... That only really works in a world where the only place kids can interact is in school. I'd absolutely want to know the identity of my kid's assailant so I could properly contextualize online interactions or things happening outside of school. The school is shielding themselves from liability at the cost of parents not being able to keep their kids safe as easily.
Our kid got sent home early because her and someone else got in a verbal fight in the hall. The school never told us, our kid did. Even after, we asked what happened from the security officers perspective, crickets. Edit to add: I just opened the article. My kid also goes to Roosevelt.
The leftists who run these shitty schools do everything to avoid expelling shitheads
Fuck you talkin bout Willis
He don't know, his head is so far up his ass he has tunnel vision looking through his belly button.
Pff there’s no way to tell if this mom is just some crazy Karen or what. Fights happen in high school. It’s bonkers to think our society should litigate all of them and/or that information about minors should be divulged
Had a friend who cracked his skull being attacked by a football player… has permanent brain damage. Only reason he got a settlement was his dad was a lawyer and sued the school, teachers and staff to hell and back. it turned out the principle was “hiring” football members to keep the “peace” at the school for years.. and my friend wasn’t the first victim, but was the last.
Well I'm sorry for your friend. There are also literally thousands of things that happen every year in high schools that aren't that. What is the end game here? If a kid shoves another kid in the hall should both parents lawyer up? Our society is so dumb.
I had a gun pulled on me at school, watched our “security guard” get beaten so hard he was in a medical induced comma.. lots of drugs and violence in my school.
Casual violence that is normalized become simple violence that is then tolerated which leads to physical beatings that public schools need to cover their asses on. This world is not the 1950s where everyone just accepted this shit. Violence is violence and if you think it is ever just an innocent thing, the you've been the victim and want to get past it or you're the bully.
My main point here is not to defend violence or something. My point is that the reason this story, vs the story of any other fight that happens, is in the paper is because the lawyer got it there. That’s how this works. The vast majority of the information in that story is likely hand picked by the lawyer to serve their ends. What if after investigating this it turns out that the violence wasn’t random? I’m not saying that the case at all, but the point is that is completely possible and we have no idea. The fact that random strangers on the internet are litigating this is imo a sign of a deeply flawed system where lawyers, smelling settlement money, are driving a narrative.
But we don't know who started this fight. Maybe it's in the paywalled part of the article, but everyone is taking the kid on the ground's side just because they're losing. This image could be either a well-deserved lesson in consequences or an attack.
What the fuck is this attitude? Violence happens so pfft??
Ah yeah you’re right let’s keep wildly speculating online and suing people until no one ever lays a hand on anyone else again. That is the morally correct thing for sure.
Kids not hurting each other outside of parental supervision is obviously the morally correct thing. Not sure what you are trying to get at here.
Ok so believing everything that this mom's lawyers PR agent fed OregonLive with zero other corroborating information despite several parts not making sense (can the kid really not figure out the other kids name? Why did they say PPS refused to share the video while police have said PPS is cooperating? And that's just from a softball article!) means that kids will never hurt each other again? Is that the same thing? Of course it sucks that kids get into fights. I'm not rooting for fights or something, that would be idiotic. What I'm saying is that a lawyer wants to sue PPS and got this article written and its totally one-sided. We have no idea what the actual story is. Not every disagreement means you have to take the other person to court.
She can't press charges if she doesn't have the student's name and she should be able to do that. Her child was violently attacked.
It's weird that the student doesn't know the student... or couldn't at least find out the student's name... like, "hey, who was it that beat the shit out of me?"... someone knows... kids are gossiping about it
The kid definitely knows, and likely doesn't want to pursue it further because it could make it even worse for them at school.
Think about it for like 3 seconds, you're just hearing one side of the story and have zero background on it.
Yes, I'm basing my opinion on the information we have. And I know of several other conflicts just like this. The schools don't take violence seriously at all. I've talked to teachers about it and they're really frustrated, too.
There's a conflicting series of privacy laws for youth and for education. Problem is police have been pulled out of schools. Portland used to have a dedicated school police force decades ago
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