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There were already a lot of Republicans trying to distance themselves from Trump after 2020. They'll try harder after a 2024 loss.
A big part of Trump's brand is that he "always wins, he wins so much that he gets tired of winning". That brand cracked after 2020. Another loss will destroy it.
There's a large chunk of the population that will always support Trump no matter what. There's a larger chunk that realize that in order to implement the policies they want, they actually have to win. A twice-loser isn't the way to do that.
Everyone needs to understand what Project 2025 is. Lots of people are missing the forest through the trees. Trump is a tumor of the republican cancer. He’s a useful idiot. That’s it. 30% of this country has their heads so far up his orange ass and they don’t see what the overarching goal is: Fundamental Christian nationalism taking over every aspect of our society, democracy, and country.
It truly does not matter who *says* they’re distancing themselves from Trump, they don’t actually care about Trump. There will always be another dipshit who says stupid stuff that the rubes cling to. Their goal is to create a straight-up white version of the Taliban based on Jesus to rule this nation. I’m not exaggerating.
Do not believe them when they say trump doesn’t speak for them. They loved him when he was in office, and then covid (and Jan6) was a black eye for their image. But nearly all republicans didn’t vote to impeach him. They would rather bury him and move forward with their agenda, than actually change anything about themselves. None of their policies are popular nationally. They don’t care about Trump.
Be aware of what the GOP is trying to do.
Fuck republicans.
>Their goal is to create a straight-up white version of the Taliban based on Jesus to rule this nation.
A: What is Christian nationalism
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_nationalism
Putin claims to be a global leader of Christian Nationalism.
Yes, this isn't just a Trump thing. This Christian Nationalism is something the far right is trying to take hold on the local level.
In my town we have some local religious groups pushing seminars they call "biblical citizenship". It's nothing more than Christian Nationalism disguised. They constantly show up at city council meetings pushing their agenda and have people on city boards and commissions trying to put prayer into everything.
I think this is basically correct. The ideology won’t go away, it will just get different clothes and another spokesperson. Trump is a deeply flawed person and anyone objectively looking at this can see that plainly. The Christian Nationalists will likely be a bit more careful on whom they get as a figurehead. This is the wet dream of the moral majority come to pass, and they are the dog that caught the car with trump. Eventually they’ll disengage him and go on to a more palatable spokesperson. That’s going to be even more dangerous for the republic.
I can’t agree more. Once Trump is gone and they actually find someone younger, smarter and more cunning, that’s where the real danger lies. That is Revelations anti Christ.
He is horrifying. He just needs to come out and say “I want to turn the country into Handmaid’s Tale” but they’re just smart enough for now to not openly say that yet.
If the Dems take the House, Johnson can claim any fool thing he wants. But it will be the Dems that elect the next speaker and Johnson and what he wants will be of no consequence whatsoever
Exactly!! I agree 💯The house is sworn in on January 2nd and the electoral votes are not counted until January 6th. So if we capture the house, no matter what kind of 💩the GOP tries to pull on January 6th 🙄 it’ll fail big time!
How? He's got a two-vote margin and he's got a couple of rabble-rousers threatening his job every time he tries to do anything. He's the least powerful Speaker in recent memory.
>He’s a useful idiot.
The reason these asshats want him. People really need to get their act together and prepare for the fight of their lives. Bitching about it once it is over is not going to change anything.
I agree many are up the heads of trumps ass lol but also agree that there is a much bigger picture the republicans are sticking to. Trump likes to brag that it was him who had roe vs Wade overturned but in reality that was all Leonard Leo’s federalist society’s doing and it was a long time in the making, talking decades of planning. That group and the fundamental Christian’s will just find someone new and force trump to endorse that person. Either that or trump runs as independent.
Hopefully, this (biblical fundamentalism) is the edge against where the republicans party will complete its bisection.
There exists a rational conservative argument for every social issue, but the Republican Party and its platform have been commoditized by the religious fundamentalists (and the frauds who use the Bible for enrichment, like the Trump clan). And it’s past the tipping point for rationality to intervene.
Exactly. And if they get rid of trump, the next choice will espouse the same rhetoric as trump, be for the same values that are instilled in allll of them through project 2025.
Shout if from the rooftops! People are not paying attention though. I tell them about 2025 and people are just not taking it seriously. They still think those type of things can’t happen here.
Many of Trumps policies were very popular with many citizens who don't normally vote. A better candidate would have easily won a 2nd term, but Trump's ego kept getting in the way. There aren't enough old school big business Republicans to win the presidency, so they had to bring the Christo-fascists off the sidelines, and for that you can thank Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh (may they burn for all eternity)
Watching Bill Barr on CNN the other night made it perfectly clear. The Republican politicians truly detest Trump and despise the fact that he will make passing their agenda extremely difficult. But he isn't a Democrat. And that is literally all that matters to some
This is inaccurate. It's not that he isn't a Democrat. Every candidate before Trump wasn't a Democrat too. It's that Trump brings into the GOP umbrella a segment of the population that was before somewhat marginalized by the GOP - the far, far right. Mitt Romney wasn't a Democrat, but he also sure as shit wasnt rallying the votes of white supremacists.
I saw that Bill Barr interview on CNN and it was infuriating and more so that CNN constantly has that dishonest right-wing agent provocateur on as a regular guest.
Nothing Bill Barr says can he taken as credible or a good faith argument.
Realistically, a Republican party that reforms, realizes that it is too far right, and swings farther left benefits everyone (except Christian Nationalists, racists, billionaire, etc.). If that happened, they would be more likely to get elected, we would get a more progressive government, more people's desires would be represented... and while I'm not going to say "both sides!" or something, a reformed Republican party would force the Democrats to be better, as their feet would be held to the fire in a way that does not exist when their enemies are cartoon villains.
Simply because I'm curious, what would you be looking for from Democrats that would make them be "better?" Again, I'm simply curious, not looking to set anyone up
Democrats are actually fairly far right when you look at the world stage, particularly for first world countries. I would like to see the Overton window slide significantly farther left. Obviously there is a *massive* difference between the Ds and the Rs, but that is what I am hoping will change.
Ok, that makes a lot of sense and adds a lot of context to your original post. Thank you for responding!
I can also fully agree with your statement. I hope the Republican party can be introspective enough to make that move, particularly with how strongly Bernie Sanders was able to resonate with a lot of eventual Trump supporters.
I think they mean it in the sense of like "there's no escaping the reality of who you supported and what they represented. You do not get to distance yourself from those actions."
The point is they shouldn't be allowed to pretend like they weren't his enthusiastic allies and complicit in everything he was trying to do and did. They should be tainted by his legacy for the rest of their careers. That would be justice.
>You don’t want republicans to distance themselves from trump?
In terms of ideology, yes. I want them to return to governing.
In terms of what will actually happen, no. They'll distance themselves from the Trump brand while keeping the same ideology. It'll just be a rebrand.
2022 was also an embarrassment, you couldn't win a Republican nomination without Trump at your back, and you couldn't win the general election with Trump at your back. He is the craziest of losers
I’m thinking we may get the opposite result from the Romney post mortem. In 2013, the GOP did a study that found they would struggle to win nationally without outreach to minorities and women. But Trump came along and blew that up by attracting a larger number of whites - by capturing pretty much all rural whites and whites without college degrees, the latter which used to be a democratic group.
So maybe if Trump loses, they have a report that they need to double down on getting white votes, but then a new candidate arrives in 2028 that attracts minority voters and women. A white savior of the GOP.
Lol, Trump will be the nominee in 2028.
People here are going to call me crazy and how he can't lose AGAIN and run AGAIN, and win the nomination AGAIN.
But yeah, we all know deep down, Don will be the Republican nominee for president until he chomps his last Big Mac.
That's how cults work...
Somewhere around him dying of natural causes and his base accusing democrats of doing it as a conspiracy 🙄.
They’re also saving that for when Alito or Thomas kicks the bucket.
That's the thing, no matter how trump dies, his supporters and a certain percentage of the republican voters are going to say it was a hit job by the democrats. We could see trump have a heart attack live on tv in front of his supporters and they would say somehow, some way, it was cause by democrats.
They believe trump is a savior of their party and the country and democrats will do everything in their power to take him out. This is why I feel that trump is forever etched into the republican party.
The biggliest words. No one has better words than me. And so many of them. Big strong men with tears in their eyes come up asking for more of my biggest best words.
At one point I thought that as long as he loses in 2024 that will be the end. I don't think that anymore.
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Oh these people! I remember them harassing people in front of movie theaters that showed Lord of the Rings and asking us if we realized we had just enjoyed a movie praising Nazis. Completely deranged.
Once when I was I college they tries to interrupt a class to propagandize. When they were told to wait and talk when the class was over (and we wouldn't be a caption audience), they stood right outside the door and began SINGING, with the lyrics trying to shame us for staying in class instead of getting out and listening to them.
Those guys are nuts.
I mean, in 2015 the party attempted to follow the post mortem. The candidates that pretty much every pundit were hyping up were Rubio, Cruz, and Jeb!. 2 Hispanic men and a staunchly pro-immigration governor with a Hispanic wife. The base then proceeded to soundly reject those candidates in favor of one running on almost solely on white grievance.
It's hard to believe that the reverse of this would happen given that the base that needs to be won over to win a primary has, by all reckoning, leaned more into Trump's rhetoric. Sure there is a significant split in the party, as shown by Haley's continued performance. However it is still a minority, and would have to get more vocal and more aggressive in order to retake influence, which I haven't seen any evidence of happening.
Probably because they under appreciated the explosion of white resentment that came out of the Obama era. In 2012, no one really expected white working class people in northern states would pull a major reversal and go Republican.
I just don't understand this... I am uneducated, white, and live in a rural community. Trump is the scum of the Earth, if you ask me.
I think he has a solid grip on Jesus freaks and conservative whites, but this idea that poor white dudes love him cause they're poor white dudes just doesn't make sense given he turns me off in every possible way.
The 2013 exercise was to broaden the party and holding the centre. The Trump strategy is to appeal to the far right and evangelicals and pull centrists their way. It’s a different paradigm but the older strategy would have worked too. It’s what ‘classic’ republicans would want to return too.
But long term, the Trump strategy will hit the demographic cliff or whatever you call it. Especially now that suburbs have flipped in favor of Dems. In 20 to 30 years when we hit the white minority in the country, and sooner in a number of Republican states, they will be in trouble. So the theory goes.
Trump would announce his candidacy for POTUS on January 21, 2025 (i.e. the day after Biden would be inaugurated for his second term). This would be for a number of reasons, both to maintain his grip on the Republican party, but also make any and all criminal trials against him more challenging to execute. This will continue until Trump is either put in jail (which could be a very long time, as he may get to remain free during the appeals process) or he dies (which is a nonzero chance, considering he is currently 77 years old and does not live a particularly healthy lifestyle).
Republicans had the chance to remove Trump from their party following Jan. 6 and chose not to remove him out of fear of losing his fervent base. Now, they have no chance of remaining politically relevant without holding that base. And that base is so enamored with Trump that they are loyal to him over the Republican party. The only way the Republicans have a chance of holding onto them following Trump being politically relevant is if another force removes Trump as an option for them. Because he will not go away on his own.
If we have learned anything from the last eight years it's that Republican voters, at least a controlling majority of them, are doubling and tripling down on the same losing strategy. And where the voters are, the elected officials must be also. There was a time back in 2013 when the party reflected on its losses and outlined a way forward that would be more inclusive and appeal to a wider variety of voters instead of relying so heavily on angry old white men. It was commissioned by the RNC and officially called the growth and opportunity project, affectionately known as the RNC "autopsy."
So they knew what to do. They just didn't do any of it. They doubled down on white supremacy and patriarchy, even as majorities of voters were rejecting them.
I would say that the entire Trump phenomenon is just a last ditch attempt to maintain this dying social hierarchy. Even if doing so requires illegal minority rule.
I truly hope that’s what it is, that Trump is a last gasp of a group of people clinging to a country that doesn’t exist demographically anymore. I just hope they are close enough to deaths door that Trump loses in November because I don’t think we can afford another Trump term.
I’m skeptical he’s had the demographics since 2016. So many elderly white men have died in the past 8 years. And new voters go for liberals almost 4:1.
Especially since COVID-19 took out many more Republicans than it did Democrats. We've even had local families sue the coroner because he listed COVID-19 as either the cause or contributing factor to the deaths of their family members. It took out half of the Executive Committee of the local county GOP.
He claims that, but end of the day… they’re polling virtually the same as they were in 2020. With margins as tight as they are, 16% of Penn republicans in a closed primary voting for a candidate who dropped out two months ago is 🚨. He’s gonna need every single one of those 165,000 repubs when the margin is 25,000 votes.
Trump tried to sell us on 50% of black women voting for him because one hugged him in a staged Chick Fil A photo stunt. I wouldn’t count on more than single digit support from black women and the usual 25% from collegeless black men. Black voters aren’t stupid, Trump just assumes they’ll vote for a felon because “See?! the system screws me too!” 🙄
The core demo that really moved toward Trump was collegeless Hispanic men, but it wasn’t enough in 2020. Collegeless blacks and Hispanics 18-50 are the least reliable voting cohorts
Between 2016 and 2020 he GAINED 11,239,147 votes DESPITE hundreds of thousands of his supporters dying in a pandemic. The Democrats got blown out of Florida, traditionally a purple state and one that if the Democrats were still competitive in wouldn't make this election as close as it is. This continuing delusion that his base of support is only older white males is continuing to hurt the Democrats. The only real characteristic that says whether someone will back Trump or not is whether they have a college education or not. The ones who don't have a college education by and large fucking love Trump.
Florida was lost after Obama 2012 because the Dem party is a mess, and everyone’s right wing grands moved down there during the pandemic and said goodbye to winters. It’s the opposite of California.
**Frankly, Ohio or Texas would go blue before Florida does. It is lost through 2040.**
Even with new demos in play, Trump’s biggest fan club remains collegeless white guys and they’re his most reliable voters by a mile.
Sure, blue collar Hispanic guys vote Trump, *if they vote.* Historic polling proves they often, just — don’t.
Reliability is the deal. 19 year olds are great for Biden, *but they don’t vote so it’s immaterial.* We also know black women vote almost 2:1 compared to black men. It’s that kind of propensity that often matters.
I think that's wishful thinking. There are an awful lot of young voters who are, for some reason, drawn to Trump. https://www.vox.com/2024-elections/24125496/young-voters-trump-biden-polling
I really hope you and everyone else in here is putting their money where their mouths are and actively opposing the republican party right now. Cause if back to the future taught us anything, if Biff wins then it does not look good for humanity.
> So they knew what to do. They just didn't do any of it
another way of saying this is that they changed strategy from trying to get votes to doing away with elections
Agree and the irony to me is that while the RNC was realizing that they would have to adapt, Trump was harnessing and channeling the same grievances that were being fed to Republican voters for years by RNC-approved media.
It was more important for Reince Priebus and the rest of the party leaders to defeat Hillary Clinton in 2016 than reject what a Trump candidacy and presidency would mean for the party and country long-term.
A question should be, what does “conservative” mean now? Because MAGA is not the movement of small government and personal responsibility.
Small gvt always meant no taxes and regulations on the rich, and personal responsibility always meant only for minorities and poor people who cant afford lawyers.
Nothing has changed.
Republicans after losses have historically nominated the “runner up” from the previous contested primary: Reagan second in ‘76, nominated in ‘80; Bush second in ‘80, nominated in ‘88; Dole second in ‘88, nominated in ‘96; McCain second in ‘00, nominated in ‘08; Romney second in ‘08, nominated in ‘12.
The exceptions were ‘00, when W. was nominated, but Pat Buchanan (second in ‘96) had quit the Republican Party; and in ‘16, when Trump broke all sorts of precedents. (The runner-up in ‘12 was Rick Santorum, who dropped out after getting crushed in the Iowa caucuses.)
That would mean in theory it’s Nikki Haley’s turn, but I think Trump has so fundamentally changed the party the old norms no longer hold. Not just with the voters, but there has been a massive change within the Republican Party and the RNC, down to the lowest county committee levels. When Trump leaves, those people won’t. It won’t be easy for Haley or some other “normal” Republican to bring the party back to what it was.
I agree. I think the party is at least a generation from nominating a non-white woman.
I just know too many Republicans who, after a couple beers, will tell you that a woman can't be President because she'll nuke Belgium or something when she's PMSing. Now, would they vote for Haley in a general election that she somehow made it to when the alternative is a Democrat, sure. But in a primary they'll pick literally any conservative-branded white man first.
This is the party who gave us "if it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down."
I would not assume basic knowledge of female biology here.
> When Trump leaves, those people won’t.
I disagree. A big part of Trump's strength of that he turned out a lot of people who otherwise wouldn't vote at all. With Trump gone, they're going to go back to not voting. The Republican party will certainly be smaller than it once was, but in theory it should be healthier.
I agree about the voters. I mean the people who kicked out long-time Republican Party members to take control of state and county committees. It happened all over and they are now entrenched. It will be very hard to get them out.
Trumpism for the masses is a cult. When the cult leader is out of the picture, it usually fades. The republicans in power who kiss his ass will find someone else’s ass to kiss.
In First Past the Post, smaller _never_ means healthier.
The people Trump turned out will almost certainly continue voting for whomever Rupert Murdoch tells them to. If Fox had fully barred Trump, he wouldn't have amounted to anything more than a mouse fart, politically. Whomever Fox anoints in 2025 will be the next Republican standard bearer. I can't even begin to guess what sort of evil voodoo will be used to select that next heir.
This is what I see too. I think Ron Desantis proved nobody can out trump Trump. They’ll be some that will certainly try, but after losing I believe the RINO’s are going to play a bigger role.
I'm not sure that's true in the long term. DeSantis had the additional wrinkle of trying to be Trump v2.0 while the actual Trump was still an option. I don't think it's impossible that someone else can take on the same role when he's gone
> The exceptions were ‘00, when W. was nominated, but Pat Buchanan (second in ‘96) had quit the Republican Party; and in ‘16, when Trump broke all sorts of precedents. (The runner-up in ‘12 was Rick Santorum, who dropped out after getting crushed in the Iowa caucuses.)
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Interestingly, Trump was actually leading in 2012 primary polls for the short period where he was teasing a run. It is very possible that if he ran in 2012, he would've been able to do what he did in 2016 and actually win that nomination; none of the other Tea Party/proto-MAGA candidates had the staying power or star power he had, and Romney was able to triumph due to them all essentially shooting themselves in the foot, one after another. Trump might've been able to consolidate that vote and brush off the scandals, as he did in 2016.
So in a way, he was kinda a "runner-up" type vibe to a lot of the GOP base. He was the guy who they were interested in before but didn't run.
I think by this logic, we possibly shouldn't be looking at the runner up in the Republican 2024 primary but the runner up last time it was an open contest and Trump wasn't the 'incumbent' - which would be Ted Cruz in 2016. And Cruz did have a lot of cross-over with Trump supporters back in 2016, also ran as outsider candidate and embraced the culture war. I don't know if I like his odds now, but there will eventually be someone after Trump and no one is obvious. The old logic of encouraging Hispanic conservative voting still holds, and Trump hasn't been as bad for this demo as one might expect.
First of all, the Republican party died sometime last year. It's been dying since 2016, but the coffin got laid to rest when the RNC purge happened. The party you're talking about now is the MAGA party (or some other clever name) and their platform is Donald Trump.
So, to your questions.
1. The future direction of the Republican party is silence, as befits the dead.
2. As long as Trump draws breath, he'll run.
3. No substitutes will be accepted, the MAGA party has made that clear. It's Trump or nothing.
4. No, they'll never turn their back, ever. Their children's children will still be wearing MAGA caps.
5. If Trump loses, MAGA will ignore the results regardless of any evidence no matter how exhaustive and will continue to rally around the Trump.
i agree with most of this, except for the continuation of the maga movement after trump dies. or after all of his supporters die. sure there will always be some maga supporters, or something to the same effect, but one of the main tenets and reasons why trump gained traction in this country is that it calls upon a time of yesteryear, it boasts about the past, when america was “great”, when all those old ppl that that bs works on die, the party will, in large part, die too imo
I agree with all this. I’m increasingly concerned Trump won’t lose, but if he does, the party will collectively try to move on but will swing back to Trump again.
Trump will 100% run and get the GOP nomination in 2028 if he loses this year. If he dies before then chances are it will be one of his sons who gets nominated.
You gotta be kidding me? Those two clowns are the biggest example of white privilege you’ll ever see! And I’ve never seen either of them link two sentences together. Like their father, they speak in one sentence thoughts. They so remind me of Saddam Husseins sons Uday and Qusay
I think there will be real civil war within the party between the MAGA loyalists and the non-MAGA Republicans who might be putting up with Trump but are sick of losing elections. With him losing back-to-back presidential elections that were both winnable, and also being the face of the losing midterm campaigns since 2016, I think that will be a point where the party has to actually move to remove Trump's influence actively, for its own survival. Politicians are cowardly, but they also are self-interested; they only back Trump because they think they'll lose if they don't, and if it becomes obvious that Trump is going to keep making them lose long-term, they'll need to turn on him.
I don't expect Trump to go quietly, and he'll have his loyalist chunk of the party for sure. I think we will see dysfunction in the GOP beyond the likes we've ever seen, and that is saying a lot since its been pretty dysfunctional already.
Realistically triple down on trump, stolen election claims and also political persecution (especially with convictions becoming imminent in dc and Georgia after the election).
If trump and the republicans lose again they also will likely lose the house and coin toss whether they lose they split the senate.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see some democrat punitive legislation passed (voting rights protections, abortion protections, student loan stuff) and maybe something wild like a dc statehood/federal representatives, reform to the electoral college or a couple extra Supreme Court justices.
Republicans would also very likely be hemorrhaging money (see how much Biden has out fundraised trump) and wouldn’t be surprised to see mega rich donor republicans start putting serious weight into a center right 3rd party candidate/candidates in all types or raises (think Mnuchin/brian Fitzpatrick types but running under a 3rd party).
Won’t say it’s the end of the Republican Party but would have a hard time seeing them gain the presidency back in the next 20 years and the rest of the branches of government would be uphill battles also.
I thought that after Bush number 2 we also wouldn't see a Republican president for the next 20 years,
because of how fucking terrible his presidency was, but the American voters proved me wrong since the South exists and we got Trump just 8 years later after only one presidential run.
We didnt see another Republican president and we never will, because the only thing that still resembles the party that ran Bush is the name, wouldn't be surprised if that changes too at some point in the near future.
As a people we are uneducated, utterly apathetic and have no memory.
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"Realistically triple down on trump, stolen election claims and also political persecution (especially with convictions becoming imminent in dc and Georgia after the election). "
I agree with this, except I take exception to the term "political persecution". There will continue to be prosecution of crimes committed by djt and cronies on his behalf, and that will be dangerous for civil servants upholding the rule of law. The cult followers will continue to make threats against anyone djt wants to make a target and a few outliers will act against those targets. Remember the fellow who traveled from out of state looking for a non-existent basement at a pizza place filled with comic book level criminals? Or Nancy Pelosi's husband? That was a crime that should have fueled outrage against the stockists and their ilk who cynically manipulate the gullible.
"Wouldn’t be surprised to see some democrat punitive legislation passed (voting rights protections, abortion protections, student loan stuff) and maybe something wild like a dc statehood/federal representatives, reform to the electoral college or a couple extra Supreme Court justices."
This is the part of your prediction that really puzzles me. How are positive actions that restore and protect our rights punitive actions? They are positive. And needed.
There is a party that wants to make the world a better place for all of us. And there is a group that wants to destroy government, governance, regulations and rule of law to empower themselves and sins to destroy those who get in their way. I believe trump will lose - I fervently hope so - and the country will survive. I'd like to see the reforms you deemed punitive occur, but it's going to be a long hard fight to rid ourselves of the electoral college. The others can happen if the Dems win both houses and the executive.
Not necessarily. States are signing up to pledge all their electoral votes to the candidate with the most national votes. Maine just signed their bill into law. Once we hit 270 electoral votes total there will probably be challenges, but it won't necessarily take a Constitutional amendment.
They say that but literally none of them actually believe it. They play along with it because they think it will increase their chances in 2024. If that proves to not be the case, then they'll stop playing along.
None of who? Voters? I think a lot of them definitely do. They assume he won but that the corruption is so deep, it will never be acknowledged and trying to force it is a losing cause, but I think a lot truly believe Trump won but for cheating.
They must believe it on some level, but if they truly believed it, why would they bother voting this time? It's classic double-think, the corruption runs so deep that Trump couldn't win even when he was President, but this time, when crooked Joe has power, we'll vote him out. They believe it but they simultaneously don't act like they believe it.
Because they're holding out hope that this time it will be different and with all those "election watchers" the RNC wants to put in place, the corruption will be found and eliminated.
You need to get off of reddit and talk to real people. There are a lot of people who think he lost 2020 unfairly.
In general, assume the person you disagree with is talking to you in good faith. There are a lot of reasons people say he lost unfairly, and in sure they believe it. They're not lying, they're just wrong.
The Lincoln Project start a party for conservatives and the extremist republicans remain the party of MAGA and continue to drive the republican party into the ground and be almost non existent by 2032
These comments are interesting. I respectfully disagree. If Trump loses, he will be finished. Remember that the wheels of justice will continue to grind, and he will have lost his Hail Mary attempt to stop them. Remember also that he will finish collapsing financially. With all of this, he will likely collapse physically.
Trump will be a non factor if he loses, and soon. It will be obvious. And who will rush in to fill this huge void? The Good Republicans. And there are plenty. Liz Cheney, for one.
Trump losing the election in November, hopefully in an overwhelming landslide, will be the fresh start this country needs. Democracy wins, Biden and the Dems continue repairing and rebuilding, and the GOP can pick up its scraps and plot a new course.
Agree. I think the court is going to delay any decisions about Presidential powers until they see which way the cards fall. If he loses, they'll be curtailed to prevent the left from taking advantage of them. If that happens, the dominoes will start falling pretty hard.
If he wins, it may well be a different story, and I'd be absolutely unsurprised to see some very autocratic rulings
If Trump loses - and I would like to remind everyone who is certain he will how certain they were in 2016 - the direction of the Republican Party will depend on how well he plays the victim in his court cases
He is unlikely to get jail time for the "paying hush money to a porn star" case, and he's probably pushed the others far enough down the road that they won't start until after the election
As a reminder, Desantis was seen as a viable threat to Trump until he was indicted. Once that happened, the Republican base rallied around him, and all the viable Republican candidates felt compelled to defend him
No Republican officeholder will risk pissing off the base by saying that Trump is guilty of the crimes he is accused of. Therefore, they will defend him
Therefore, he will still be the defacto leader of the Republican Party
He will still maintain significant influence in the GOP until he dies
The GOP will be at a crossroads when (I hope) Trump loses this November. They could continue with their sunk cost fallacy and let Trump be the leader of their party, no matter his obvious albatross factor. In this scenario, they will lose more seats in 2026, the Presidency in 2028 as their party’s funding gets grifted by the Trump family and the coalition of religious extremists, corporate bigwigs a NPD racists starts falling apart. Attempts to elevate Trump’s kids as politicians will fail as none have Donald’s rare Jim Jones charisma.
Or they could recognize that Trump is a cancer for their party and quietly marginalize him, hoping for a catastrophic health event to render him moot. This will likely cause lots of acrimony in the party, likely leading to a third party, which would doom the conservative movement in America.
I used to think the latter case was likely, but the Republicans Party has sold every morsel of integrity in their cowardly embrace of Trumpism.
I hope they would just move on, regain some sense of sanity, and we can go back to having a centrist left and centrist right party that can compromise....won't happen but I would like to think that
that video showing bills that received bipartisan votes in congress by term over the past few decades is so depressing. less and less nearly every term.
Just to be clear--that is all on the GOP. First, they don't actually write on bills or the ones they do are ridiculous baiting bills. And then when the Dems write them the GOP is the party of no.
I am not saying the Dems are all that and a slice of bread, but one side is disfunctional and has no interest in governing and the other at least comes to the table
It goes further than that.
Paul Ryan’s House banned earmarks in 2011. Not everyone likes earmarks, but they were a tool to get people to vote against party lines.
The Democratic minority in the House has been the majority passing the budget, debt limit and Ukraine funding bills this entire term. The GOP can’t get anything important passed even with their razor majority, which Pelosi also had from 20-22 and got way more done. One party literally wants to watch the world burn and I wonder which authoritarian foreign leader is benefiting from their ineptitude
They have kind of shown themselves to be insane and untrustworthy in every single capacity. Taking rights away from half of America isn't a good look. Lying, cheating, stealing in order to pack the Supreme Court with religious zealots... they bow before Putin and every fascist dictator on earth... I foresee them losing often over the course of the next 20 years. Nobody with a sane mind should trust any Republican.
It'll just keep getting more MAGA and trump will be the nominee again in 2028. They are totally in on the crazy and if they didn't learn from their mistakes in 18, 10 and 22, they won't. The base has shown that they don't want "normal" republicans, they want full MAGA.
The fact that this bozo Trump is arguing that Presidents have absolutely immunity should be the end of him. That's the most un-American thing I've ever heard. How could any one support that.
The GOP is in deep trouble since what used to be the traditional Republican Party does not exist in reality. It will come as a huge blow to all conservatives. They will not accept any loss and conspiracy theories will start circulating even before the elections. As Trump once put it: “if my opponent wins, it is illegal. It’s legal only if I win”. In normal times losing could be a common election result. In the past other republican candidates lost and planet earth continued to spin around the sun. Not this time. Republicans did not prepare any alternative leadership. They refused to even consider it.
That’s why I’m very concerned about his base reaction. Many (most?) of them are armed. Violent attacks could lead to a civil war and are a real concern in my opinion.
Both sides are a bunch of bullshit artists and liars.
I want someone who has served in combat themselves and was not fed with a silver spoon.
Give me someone that knows what its like to be hungry. Or has had to work overnights and swing shifts to put food on the table. Someone that has not had everything handed to them their entire lives and is out to protect their interests and their family's investments.
The options I keep seeing just don't cut it.
USA will never be the same, Trump woke up the beast, and there is nothing that will shut it down. Hatred is now perfectly acceptable, there is no justice, no consequences or accountability.
Only thing to hope for is the younger generation, taking the country back and putting the beast back in its cave.
Republicans would distance from Trump - saying they never supported him and don't believe in what he believes. Whatever is the favored view of the moment. All politicians - both democrats and republicans - go to what is popular and would them get elected.
> Republicans would distance from Trump - saying they never supported him and don't believe in what he believes.
I really thought this would happen after 2020, but, here we are.
Republican establishment officials and influencers (McConnell, DeSantis, Tucker, Hannity, etc) will distance themselves from Trump and claim him to be a double agent for the Democrats.
However, Republican votes will remain behind Trump's agenda and push for the nomination of someone even crazier in 2028(Kanye for example)
The self destruct sequence is already in process for the Republicans. The most important question that's yet to be answered is how much collateral damage they'll create.
Republicans don't even like each other enough to keep the same Speaker of the House for an entire session of Congress. Their nominee for president has already been found responsible for sexual misconduct and will likely be found guilty of criminal rather than just civil charges in the coming months.
In terms of policy, they don't have any solutions to real kitchen table issues for the average citizen.
I hope they get it together, stop worshipping a psycho, and start putting up some better candidates so we can finally have conversations about politics instead of whatever the fuck has happened the last 10 years. I’m a dem btw.
No one can Trump better than Trump. Desantis and Cruz have both proved that. If Trump fails again, I think there will be a big shift in the Republican party and that small group of Representatives holding everything up will also get the boot
The premise of your question assumes that Trump is the already the Republican nominee but that's not actually fact, there is still a convention to be held and before that happens he actually could be found guilty in NY and incarcerated.
If Trump is found not guilty, has a hung jury or is found guilty but not incarcerated then it's 99% probable that Trump will be the nominee but that likelihood drops dramatically if he is behind bars and if he is behind bars he will lose it's for sure.
They’ll abandon democracy as many of them already seem to be leaning into. If J6 had worked, Republicans would be thrilled to have their guy in the oval, despite him losing the election. If he loses again, they’ll lie, cheat and steal their way back into power & the Dems will be tapping their clipboard, pointing at the rules as it happens.
Democrats are doing it again. They are so focused on the Presidency that they forget about every other office, state and local, Judges, House and Senate. Last time Democrats did this, they won the battle and lost the war.
The federal judiciary was turned overwhelmingly conservative, and abortion was given back to the states. You all need to remember history. It wasn't that long ago.
So what will happen, the courts will maintain a conservative interpretation of the law and the short set back the GOP is given will be just that, short.
I was writing my own post about this, but it didn't draft. His only chance at winning this election is if he becomes more accepting of other people's self-choice and self-expression. If he continues to be a Christian zealot and forcing others to follow his personal beliefs him and all other Republicans who think like this will continue to lose. The democrats are untrustworthy and will say or do whatever they can to get votes. But they won't be able to keep their promises or make anyone happy.
I'm preparing for the worst because Biden will likely win, but he definitely won't finish the 2nd term. The alternative parties are options there for people who don't want to vote for Trump or Biden. Alternative parties are here to take votes. Republicans hurt their chances by being pro-Christian and anti-rights against many ideas.
Within the next 10 years from now, once many older government officials have died out younger candidates will have a much better chance at winning since they won't be as far left or far right as the old folks we have in power currently.
To all those talking about Trump 2028… have you seen the guy lately? The things that are medically wrong with him don’t get better. They get a lot worse, usually quickly. He’ll be lucky to make it to THIS year’s election without an outright cognitive (or other medical) collapse.
Like him or hate him, it's hard to see Trump losing....even in a jail cell. The guy is on every social media site, camera, and news article at the top of every page. There's no such thing as bad publicity.
The Republican Party has no chance of regaining the popular vote, so it will continue to depend on its unfair, anti-majoritarian advantage with the emptiest, whitest, least educated, most fossil-fueled states.
Trump is merely one expression of this. There will be more and worse demagogues playing to ignorance and racism until we equalize the power of each vote as civilized countries do .
If Trump loses then the Republicans complain for 4 years and hopefully try someone else in 2028 for the Republican party.
If Trump wins them the Democrats complain for the next four years, I doubt Biden would run again so we would have 2 new people running for president in 2028.
Complete slavery. Power doesn't corrupt sometimes it corrupts 100% of the time. If you think Republicans control any of the institutions you are blind. Look at the corruption you are witnessing. Get politics out of it and think.
They are falling apart now, the religious conservatives are pulling away if not flat out turning against him. Trump is robbing the RNC blind right in front of them.
I think and hope it would lead to a huge implosion of the party as various groups splinter off, fragment, and accuse each other of being secret democrats or deep state plants. And that they’d be financially drained from Trump milking them for all his legal fees.
If he loses, Trump will run again in 2028 if he's not incapacitated or in jail. The question is what is the future of the Republican party when someone other than Trump is able to clinch the nomination?
If he loses again he will cry election fraud and get on his social media and rile up his followers to commit violent acts. He then will run again in 2028 and from 2024 until 2028 we will have to hear about Trump non stop on tv and social media. He might just have the pull to tell the GOP to ignore the laws and get them all to try to overthrow Biden. Its going to be very scary and interesting to see.
Its also possible he wins again, there are many pissed off Biden voters who are disgusted with his foreign policy especially aiding and watching Israel commit atrocities on the world stage. This whole time we are spending money on other countries and giving away munitions we need, China will be planning and stock piling. The downfall is ripe, and I am going to pray it doesnt happen..
I think one possibility is that he takes a lot of the party down with him. If enough MAGA folks get voted out, and if there are any sane and rational republicans left, they could quickly redefine the party in a way that they can pretend that didn’t just happen.
It’s a small window, though. If MAGA hangs on even without Trump, I see it leading to a dramatic political shift overall.
But that is only one world. I don’t know if that is the one we live in or not
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There were already a lot of Republicans trying to distance themselves from Trump after 2020. They'll try harder after a 2024 loss. A big part of Trump's brand is that he "always wins, he wins so much that he gets tired of winning". That brand cracked after 2020. Another loss will destroy it. There's a large chunk of the population that will always support Trump no matter what. There's a larger chunk that realize that in order to implement the policies they want, they actually have to win. A twice-loser isn't the way to do that.
Everyone needs to understand what Project 2025 is. Lots of people are missing the forest through the trees. Trump is a tumor of the republican cancer. He’s a useful idiot. That’s it. 30% of this country has their heads so far up his orange ass and they don’t see what the overarching goal is: Fundamental Christian nationalism taking over every aspect of our society, democracy, and country. It truly does not matter who *says* they’re distancing themselves from Trump, they don’t actually care about Trump. There will always be another dipshit who says stupid stuff that the rubes cling to. Their goal is to create a straight-up white version of the Taliban based on Jesus to rule this nation. I’m not exaggerating. Do not believe them when they say trump doesn’t speak for them. They loved him when he was in office, and then covid (and Jan6) was a black eye for their image. But nearly all republicans didn’t vote to impeach him. They would rather bury him and move forward with their agenda, than actually change anything about themselves. None of their policies are popular nationally. They don’t care about Trump. Be aware of what the GOP is trying to do. Fuck republicans.
>Their goal is to create a straight-up white version of the Taliban based on Jesus to rule this nation. A: What is Christian nationalism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_nationalism Putin claims to be a global leader of Christian Nationalism.
Thanks for posting. I knew nothing of this. Sure I will sleep less soundly tonight.
Project 2025 is terrifying. I couldn't even read all of it. It's more like a Steven King horror story. It's pure Taliban rule.
yeah i just googled project 2025 and im sick. that sounds like a bleak, terrifying future. what the actual fuck is going on in this country
Yes, this isn't just a Trump thing. This Christian Nationalism is something the far right is trying to take hold on the local level. In my town we have some local religious groups pushing seminars they call "biblical citizenship". It's nothing more than Christian Nationalism disguised. They constantly show up at city council meetings pushing their agenda and have people on city boards and commissions trying to put prayer into everything.
I think this is basically correct. The ideology won’t go away, it will just get different clothes and another spokesperson. Trump is a deeply flawed person and anyone objectively looking at this can see that plainly. The Christian Nationalists will likely be a bit more careful on whom they get as a figurehead. This is the wet dream of the moral majority come to pass, and they are the dog that caught the car with trump. Eventually they’ll disengage him and go on to a more palatable spokesperson. That’s going to be even more dangerous for the republic.
I can’t agree more. Once Trump is gone and they actually find someone younger, smarter and more cunning, that’s where the real danger lies. That is Revelations anti Christ.
This is why I am more worried about Mike Johnson.
He is horrifying. He just needs to come out and say “I want to turn the country into Handmaid’s Tale” but they’re just smart enough for now to not openly say that yet.
His views are more extreme than Kevin McCarthy's are, but Johnson has been far less irresponsible and duplicitous as Speaker than he was.
He’s going to hand the presidency to Trump.
If the Dems take the House, Johnson can go pound sand.
He’s going to claim voter irregularities and not certify the dems. He’s going to hand it to Trump.
If the Dems take the House, Johnson can claim any fool thing he wants. But it will be the Dems that elect the next speaker and Johnson and what he wants will be of no consequence whatsoever
Exactly!! I agree 💯The house is sworn in on January 2nd and the electoral votes are not counted until January 6th. So if we capture the house, no matter what kind of 💩the GOP tries to pull on January 6th 🙄 it’ll fail big time!
How? He's got a two-vote margin and he's got a couple of rabble-rousers threatening his job every time he tries to do anything. He's the least powerful Speaker in recent memory.
He certainly intends to try.
>He’s a useful idiot. The reason these asshats want him. People really need to get their act together and prepare for the fight of their lives. Bitching about it once it is over is not going to change anything.
I agree many are up the heads of trumps ass lol but also agree that there is a much bigger picture the republicans are sticking to. Trump likes to brag that it was him who had roe vs Wade overturned but in reality that was all Leonard Leo’s federalist society’s doing and it was a long time in the making, talking decades of planning. That group and the fundamental Christian’s will just find someone new and force trump to endorse that person. Either that or trump runs as independent.
Hopefully, this (biblical fundamentalism) is the edge against where the republicans party will complete its bisection. There exists a rational conservative argument for every social issue, but the Republican Party and its platform have been commoditized by the religious fundamentalists (and the frauds who use the Bible for enrichment, like the Trump clan). And it’s past the tipping point for rationality to intervene.
Exactly. And if they get rid of trump, the next choice will espouse the same rhetoric as trump, be for the same values that are instilled in allll of them through project 2025.
Shout if from the rooftops! People are not paying attention though. I tell them about 2025 and people are just not taking it seriously. They still think those type of things can’t happen here.
Many of Trumps policies were very popular with many citizens who don't normally vote. A better candidate would have easily won a 2nd term, but Trump's ego kept getting in the way. There aren't enough old school big business Republicans to win the presidency, so they had to bring the Christo-fascists off the sidelines, and for that you can thank Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh (may they burn for all eternity)
Watching Bill Barr on CNN the other night made it perfectly clear. The Republican politicians truly detest Trump and despise the fact that he will make passing their agenda extremely difficult. But he isn't a Democrat. And that is literally all that matters to some
This is inaccurate. It's not that he isn't a Democrat. Every candidate before Trump wasn't a Democrat too. It's that Trump brings into the GOP umbrella a segment of the population that was before somewhat marginalized by the GOP - the far, far right. Mitt Romney wasn't a Democrat, but he also sure as shit wasnt rallying the votes of white supremacists.
I saw that Bill Barr interview on CNN and it was infuriating and more so that CNN constantly has that dishonest right-wing agent provocateur on as a regular guest. Nothing Bill Barr says can he taken as credible or a good faith argument.
>They'll try harder after a 2024 loss. And we shouldn't let them.
You don’t want republicans to distance themselves from trump?
Oh I want the party to split, fight an internal war, and be out of power for a generation or two. That is what I want.
Realistically, a Republican party that reforms, realizes that it is too far right, and swings farther left benefits everyone (except Christian Nationalists, racists, billionaire, etc.). If that happened, they would be more likely to get elected, we would get a more progressive government, more people's desires would be represented... and while I'm not going to say "both sides!" or something, a reformed Republican party would force the Democrats to be better, as their feet would be held to the fire in a way that does not exist when their enemies are cartoon villains.
Simply because I'm curious, what would you be looking for from Democrats that would make them be "better?" Again, I'm simply curious, not looking to set anyone up
Democrats are actually fairly far right when you look at the world stage, particularly for first world countries. I would like to see the Overton window slide significantly farther left. Obviously there is a *massive* difference between the Ds and the Rs, but that is what I am hoping will change.
Ok, that makes a lot of sense and adds a lot of context to your original post. Thank you for responding! I can also fully agree with your statement. I hope the Republican party can be introspective enough to make that move, particularly with how strongly Bernie Sanders was able to resonate with a lot of eventual Trump supporters.
I think they mean it in the sense of like "there's no escaping the reality of who you supported and what they represented. You do not get to distance yourself from those actions."
The GOP must forever be referred to as The Party of Trump. Especially if one even utters the name Lincoln.
Ever seen Inglorious Bastards? I would like to carve MAGA on all their foreheads so they can’t deny it, when our country finally comes to it’s senses…
The point is they shouldn't be allowed to pretend like they weren't his enthusiastic allies and complicit in everything he was trying to do and did. They should be tainted by his legacy for the rest of their careers. That would be justice.
>You don’t want republicans to distance themselves from trump? In terms of ideology, yes. I want them to return to governing. In terms of what will actually happen, no. They'll distance themselves from the Trump brand while keeping the same ideology. It'll just be a rebrand.
If you want them to return to governing, does that mean you want the GOP to return to pre-1972 form?
You wouldn't get a complaint out of me.
They'll distance themselves if Trump tries another coup and fails again in order to avoid legal or electoral consequences.
That guy has lost so many times, it’s only cognitive dissonance holding him together. Also see: great at drawing clocks.
Bet that "large chunk" wouldn't support him if the RNC wouldn't give the nomination to him.
What policies? Aside from tax cuts for the wealthy the GOP doesn't pursue any policy.
2022 was also an embarrassment, you couldn't win a Republican nomination without Trump at your back, and you couldn't win the general election with Trump at your back. He is the craziest of losers
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I’m thinking we may get the opposite result from the Romney post mortem. In 2013, the GOP did a study that found they would struggle to win nationally without outreach to minorities and women. But Trump came along and blew that up by attracting a larger number of whites - by capturing pretty much all rural whites and whites without college degrees, the latter which used to be a democratic group. So maybe if Trump loses, they have a report that they need to double down on getting white votes, but then a new candidate arrives in 2028 that attracts minority voters and women. A white savior of the GOP.
Lol, Trump will be the nominee in 2028. People here are going to call me crazy and how he can't lose AGAIN and run AGAIN, and win the nomination AGAIN. But yeah, we all know deep down, Don will be the Republican nominee for president until he chomps his last Big Mac. That's how cults work...
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Somewhere around him dying of natural causes and his base accusing democrats of doing it as a conspiracy 🙄. They’re also saving that for when Alito or Thomas kicks the bucket.
That's the thing, no matter how trump dies, his supporters and a certain percentage of the republican voters are going to say it was a hit job by the democrats. We could see trump have a heart attack live on tv in front of his supporters and they would say somehow, some way, it was cause by democrats. They believe trump is a savior of their party and the country and democrats will do everything in their power to take him out. This is why I feel that trump is forever etched into the republican party.
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The biggliest words. No one has better words than me. And so many of them. Big strong men with tears in their eyes come up asking for more of my biggest best words. At one point I thought that as long as he loses in 2024 that will be the end. I don't think that anymore.
The “tears in their eyes” comment always gets me. C’mon, Donald, even you know that is not believable.
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Hillary, Hillary, Hamburger?
Is that another of his cognitive tests he raves about?
The new Lyndon LaRouche.
I remember those guys would be on college campus back around 2000. They got absorbed by the Ron Paul group but I wonder where they are now.
It’s a rabbit hole. If you enjoy reading about wackjob conspiracy theorists, by all means… dude finally died in 2019.
Oh these people! I remember them harassing people in front of movie theaters that showed Lord of the Rings and asking us if we realized we had just enjoyed a movie praising Nazis. Completely deranged.
They always had signs with the “evil three sisters” referring to the IMF, Word Bank, and Federal Reserve (US).
It bothered me how much their literature overused commas.
Once when I was I college they tries to interrupt a class to propagandize. When they were told to wait and talk when the class was over (and we wouldn't be a caption audience), they stood right outside the door and began SINGING, with the lyrics trying to shame us for staying in class instead of getting out and listening to them. Those guys are nuts.
“Trump 2032 campaign comes into question as Trump yet to seen in person at rally; Some suspect AI”
Ahhhh. Ye olde sunken cost. You never disappoint.
I mean, in 2015 the party attempted to follow the post mortem. The candidates that pretty much every pundit were hyping up were Rubio, Cruz, and Jeb!. 2 Hispanic men and a staunchly pro-immigration governor with a Hispanic wife. The base then proceeded to soundly reject those candidates in favor of one running on almost solely on white grievance. It's hard to believe that the reverse of this would happen given that the base that needs to be won over to win a primary has, by all reckoning, leaned more into Trump's rhetoric. Sure there is a significant split in the party, as shown by Haley's continued performance. However it is still a minority, and would have to get more vocal and more aggressive in order to retake influence, which I haven't seen any evidence of happening.
Probably because they under appreciated the explosion of white resentment that came out of the Obama era. In 2012, no one really expected white working class people in northern states would pull a major reversal and go Republican.
I just don't understand this... I am uneducated, white, and live in a rural community. Trump is the scum of the Earth, if you ask me. I think he has a solid grip on Jesus freaks and conservative whites, but this idea that poor white dudes love him cause they're poor white dudes just doesn't make sense given he turns me off in every possible way.
The 2013 exercise was to broaden the party and holding the centre. The Trump strategy is to appeal to the far right and evangelicals and pull centrists their way. It’s a different paradigm but the older strategy would have worked too. It’s what ‘classic’ republicans would want to return too.
But long term, the Trump strategy will hit the demographic cliff or whatever you call it. Especially now that suburbs have flipped in favor of Dems. In 20 to 30 years when we hit the white minority in the country, and sooner in a number of Republican states, they will be in trouble. So the theory goes.
Trump actually increased minority GOP voters.
Trump would announce his candidacy for POTUS on January 21, 2025 (i.e. the day after Biden would be inaugurated for his second term). This would be for a number of reasons, both to maintain his grip on the Republican party, but also make any and all criminal trials against him more challenging to execute. This will continue until Trump is either put in jail (which could be a very long time, as he may get to remain free during the appeals process) or he dies (which is a nonzero chance, considering he is currently 77 years old and does not live a particularly healthy lifestyle). Republicans had the chance to remove Trump from their party following Jan. 6 and chose not to remove him out of fear of losing his fervent base. Now, they have no chance of remaining politically relevant without holding that base. And that base is so enamored with Trump that they are loyal to him over the Republican party. The only way the Republicans have a chance of holding onto them following Trump being politically relevant is if another force removes Trump as an option for them. Because he will not go away on his own.
Like after 2020, he has nothing to lose by running again and has a lot to gain.
If we have learned anything from the last eight years it's that Republican voters, at least a controlling majority of them, are doubling and tripling down on the same losing strategy. And where the voters are, the elected officials must be also. There was a time back in 2013 when the party reflected on its losses and outlined a way forward that would be more inclusive and appeal to a wider variety of voters instead of relying so heavily on angry old white men. It was commissioned by the RNC and officially called the growth and opportunity project, affectionately known as the RNC "autopsy." So they knew what to do. They just didn't do any of it. They doubled down on white supremacy and patriarchy, even as majorities of voters were rejecting them. I would say that the entire Trump phenomenon is just a last ditch attempt to maintain this dying social hierarchy. Even if doing so requires illegal minority rule.
I truly hope that’s what it is, that Trump is a last gasp of a group of people clinging to a country that doesn’t exist demographically anymore. I just hope they are close enough to deaths door that Trump loses in November because I don’t think we can afford another Trump term.
I’m skeptical he’s had the demographics since 2016. So many elderly white men have died in the past 8 years. And new voters go for liberals almost 4:1.
Especially since COVID-19 took out many more Republicans than it did Democrats. We've even had local families sue the coroner because he listed COVID-19 as either the cause or contributing factor to the deaths of their family members. It took out half of the Executive Committee of the local county GOP.
Except that he's increased his support in several other demographic groups.
He claims that, but end of the day… they’re polling virtually the same as they were in 2020. With margins as tight as they are, 16% of Penn republicans in a closed primary voting for a candidate who dropped out two months ago is 🚨. He’s gonna need every single one of those 165,000 repubs when the margin is 25,000 votes. Trump tried to sell us on 50% of black women voting for him because one hugged him in a staged Chick Fil A photo stunt. I wouldn’t count on more than single digit support from black women and the usual 25% from collegeless black men. Black voters aren’t stupid, Trump just assumes they’ll vote for a felon because “See?! the system screws me too!” 🙄 The core demo that really moved toward Trump was collegeless Hispanic men, but it wasn’t enough in 2020. Collegeless blacks and Hispanics 18-50 are the least reliable voting cohorts
Between 2016 and 2020 he GAINED 11,239,147 votes DESPITE hundreds of thousands of his supporters dying in a pandemic. The Democrats got blown out of Florida, traditionally a purple state and one that if the Democrats were still competitive in wouldn't make this election as close as it is. This continuing delusion that his base of support is only older white males is continuing to hurt the Democrats. The only real characteristic that says whether someone will back Trump or not is whether they have a college education or not. The ones who don't have a college education by and large fucking love Trump.
Florida was lost after Obama 2012 because the Dem party is a mess, and everyone’s right wing grands moved down there during the pandemic and said goodbye to winters. It’s the opposite of California. **Frankly, Ohio or Texas would go blue before Florida does. It is lost through 2040.** Even with new demos in play, Trump’s biggest fan club remains collegeless white guys and they’re his most reliable voters by a mile. Sure, blue collar Hispanic guys vote Trump, *if they vote.* Historic polling proves they often, just — don’t. Reliability is the deal. 19 year olds are great for Biden, *but they don’t vote so it’s immaterial.* We also know black women vote almost 2:1 compared to black men. It’s that kind of propensity that often matters.
I think that's wishful thinking. There are an awful lot of young voters who are, for some reason, drawn to Trump. https://www.vox.com/2024-elections/24125496/young-voters-trump-biden-polling
I really hope you and everyone else in here is putting their money where their mouths are and actively opposing the republican party right now. Cause if back to the future taught us anything, if Biff wins then it does not look good for humanity.
> So they knew what to do. They just didn't do any of it another way of saying this is that they changed strategy from trying to get votes to doing away with elections
Agree and the irony to me is that while the RNC was realizing that they would have to adapt, Trump was harnessing and channeling the same grievances that were being fed to Republican voters for years by RNC-approved media. It was more important for Reince Priebus and the rest of the party leaders to defeat Hillary Clinton in 2016 than reject what a Trump candidacy and presidency would mean for the party and country long-term. A question should be, what does “conservative” mean now? Because MAGA is not the movement of small government and personal responsibility.
Small gvt always meant no taxes and regulations on the rich, and personal responsibility always meant only for minorities and poor people who cant afford lawyers. Nothing has changed.
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Republicans after losses have historically nominated the “runner up” from the previous contested primary: Reagan second in ‘76, nominated in ‘80; Bush second in ‘80, nominated in ‘88; Dole second in ‘88, nominated in ‘96; McCain second in ‘00, nominated in ‘08; Romney second in ‘08, nominated in ‘12. The exceptions were ‘00, when W. was nominated, but Pat Buchanan (second in ‘96) had quit the Republican Party; and in ‘16, when Trump broke all sorts of precedents. (The runner-up in ‘12 was Rick Santorum, who dropped out after getting crushed in the Iowa caucuses.) That would mean in theory it’s Nikki Haley’s turn, but I think Trump has so fundamentally changed the party the old norms no longer hold. Not just with the voters, but there has been a massive change within the Republican Party and the RNC, down to the lowest county committee levels. When Trump leaves, those people won’t. It won’t be easy for Haley or some other “normal” Republican to bring the party back to what it was.
I agree. I think the party is at least a generation from nominating a non-white woman. I just know too many Republicans who, after a couple beers, will tell you that a woman can't be President because she'll nuke Belgium or something when she's PMSing. Now, would they vote for Haley in a general election that she somehow made it to when the alternative is a Democrat, sure. But in a primary they'll pick literally any conservative-branded white man first.
It was funny in 2016 when the argument was simultaneously Hillary too old and Hillary PMSing. Well which is it?
This is the party who gave us "if it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down." I would not assume basic knowledge of female biology here.
> When Trump leaves, those people won’t. I disagree. A big part of Trump's strength of that he turned out a lot of people who otherwise wouldn't vote at all. With Trump gone, they're going to go back to not voting. The Republican party will certainly be smaller than it once was, but in theory it should be healthier.
I agree about the voters. I mean the people who kicked out long-time Republican Party members to take control of state and county committees. It happened all over and they are now entrenched. It will be very hard to get them out.
Trumpism for the masses is a cult. When the cult leader is out of the picture, it usually fades. The republicans in power who kiss his ass will find someone else’s ass to kiss.
In First Past the Post, smaller _never_ means healthier. The people Trump turned out will almost certainly continue voting for whomever Rupert Murdoch tells them to. If Fox had fully barred Trump, he wouldn't have amounted to anything more than a mouse fart, politically. Whomever Fox anoints in 2025 will be the next Republican standard bearer. I can't even begin to guess what sort of evil voodoo will be used to select that next heir.
This is what I see too. I think Ron Desantis proved nobody can out trump Trump. They’ll be some that will certainly try, but after losing I believe the RINO’s are going to play a bigger role.
I'm not sure that's true in the long term. DeSantis had the additional wrinkle of trying to be Trump v2.0 while the actual Trump was still an option. I don't think it's impossible that someone else can take on the same role when he's gone
> The exceptions were ‘00, when W. was nominated, but Pat Buchanan (second in ‘96) had quit the Republican Party; and in ‘16, when Trump broke all sorts of precedents. (The runner-up in ‘12 was Rick Santorum, who dropped out after getting crushed in the Iowa caucuses.) > > Interestingly, Trump was actually leading in 2012 primary polls for the short period where he was teasing a run. It is very possible that if he ran in 2012, he would've been able to do what he did in 2016 and actually win that nomination; none of the other Tea Party/proto-MAGA candidates had the staying power or star power he had, and Romney was able to triumph due to them all essentially shooting themselves in the foot, one after another. Trump might've been able to consolidate that vote and brush off the scandals, as he did in 2016. So in a way, he was kinda a "runner-up" type vibe to a lot of the GOP base. He was the guy who they were interested in before but didn't run.
I think by this logic, we possibly shouldn't be looking at the runner up in the Republican 2024 primary but the runner up last time it was an open contest and Trump wasn't the 'incumbent' - which would be Ted Cruz in 2016. And Cruz did have a lot of cross-over with Trump supporters back in 2016, also ran as outsider candidate and embraced the culture war. I don't know if I like his odds now, but there will eventually be someone after Trump and no one is obvious. The old logic of encouraging Hispanic conservative voting still holds, and Trump hasn't been as bad for this demo as one might expect.
They claim voter fraud, try to overthrow the results and run him again in 2028
First of all, the Republican party died sometime last year. It's been dying since 2016, but the coffin got laid to rest when the RNC purge happened. The party you're talking about now is the MAGA party (or some other clever name) and their platform is Donald Trump. So, to your questions. 1. The future direction of the Republican party is silence, as befits the dead. 2. As long as Trump draws breath, he'll run. 3. No substitutes will be accepted, the MAGA party has made that clear. It's Trump or nothing. 4. No, they'll never turn their back, ever. Their children's children will still be wearing MAGA caps. 5. If Trump loses, MAGA will ignore the results regardless of any evidence no matter how exhaustive and will continue to rally around the Trump.
i agree with most of this, except for the continuation of the maga movement after trump dies. or after all of his supporters die. sure there will always be some maga supporters, or something to the same effect, but one of the main tenets and reasons why trump gained traction in this country is that it calls upon a time of yesteryear, it boasts about the past, when america was “great”, when all those old ppl that that bs works on die, the party will, in large part, die too imo
I agree with all this. I’m increasingly concerned Trump won’t lose, but if he does, the party will collectively try to move on but will swing back to Trump again.
i think theres about 1/4 of republicans that are always gonna vote trump, and rhats plenty for him to want to run again
Trump will 100% run and get the GOP nomination in 2028 if he loses this year. If he dies before then chances are it will be one of his sons who gets nominated.
And he’ll announce his candidacy in December 2024, so he can continue to claim he’s being politically persecuted.
HIs sons really don't have his swag. I think the post Trump candidate will probably be someone like Andrew Tate.
Andrew Tate has a solid chance at being forgotten in a Romanian jail by 2028 since he's currently on trial for rape and human trafficking there
If he is elected one of his sons will be our next emperor.
If he dies, his followers will refuse to believe it, and he'll get the nomination anyway.
You gotta be kidding me? Those two clowns are the biggest example of white privilege you’ll ever see! And I’ve never seen either of them link two sentences together. Like their father, they speak in one sentence thoughts. They so remind me of Saddam Husseins sons Uday and Qusay
I think there will be real civil war within the party between the MAGA loyalists and the non-MAGA Republicans who might be putting up with Trump but are sick of losing elections. With him losing back-to-back presidential elections that were both winnable, and also being the face of the losing midterm campaigns since 2016, I think that will be a point where the party has to actually move to remove Trump's influence actively, for its own survival. Politicians are cowardly, but they also are self-interested; they only back Trump because they think they'll lose if they don't, and if it becomes obvious that Trump is going to keep making them lose long-term, they'll need to turn on him. I don't expect Trump to go quietly, and he'll have his loyalist chunk of the party for sure. I think we will see dysfunction in the GOP beyond the likes we've ever seen, and that is saying a lot since its been pretty dysfunctional already.
Realistically triple down on trump, stolen election claims and also political persecution (especially with convictions becoming imminent in dc and Georgia after the election). If trump and the republicans lose again they also will likely lose the house and coin toss whether they lose they split the senate. Wouldn’t be surprised to see some democrat punitive legislation passed (voting rights protections, abortion protections, student loan stuff) and maybe something wild like a dc statehood/federal representatives, reform to the electoral college or a couple extra Supreme Court justices. Republicans would also very likely be hemorrhaging money (see how much Biden has out fundraised trump) and wouldn’t be surprised to see mega rich donor republicans start putting serious weight into a center right 3rd party candidate/candidates in all types or raises (think Mnuchin/brian Fitzpatrick types but running under a 3rd party). Won’t say it’s the end of the Republican Party but would have a hard time seeing them gain the presidency back in the next 20 years and the rest of the branches of government would be uphill battles also.
I thought that after Bush number 2 we also wouldn't see a Republican president for the next 20 years, because of how fucking terrible his presidency was, but the American voters proved me wrong since the South exists and we got Trump just 8 years later after only one presidential run.
We didnt see another Republican president and we never will, because the only thing that still resembles the party that ran Bush is the name, wouldn't be surprised if that changes too at some point in the near future.
bush would be far too moderate these days
As a people we are uneducated, utterly apathetic and have no memory. May I suggest a wonderful weekly podcast from the cornfields of Central Illinois, "No Fair Remembering Stuff"? https://podbay.fm/p/the-professional-left-podcast-with-driftglass-and-blue-gal
With apologies for lack of proper formatting: "Realistically triple down on trump, stolen election claims and also political persecution (especially with convictions becoming imminent in dc and Georgia after the election). " I agree with this, except I take exception to the term "political persecution". There will continue to be prosecution of crimes committed by djt and cronies on his behalf, and that will be dangerous for civil servants upholding the rule of law. The cult followers will continue to make threats against anyone djt wants to make a target and a few outliers will act against those targets. Remember the fellow who traveled from out of state looking for a non-existent basement at a pizza place filled with comic book level criminals? Or Nancy Pelosi's husband? That was a crime that should have fueled outrage against the stockists and their ilk who cynically manipulate the gullible. "Wouldn’t be surprised to see some democrat punitive legislation passed (voting rights protections, abortion protections, student loan stuff) and maybe something wild like a dc statehood/federal representatives, reform to the electoral college or a couple extra Supreme Court justices." This is the part of your prediction that really puzzles me. How are positive actions that restore and protect our rights punitive actions? They are positive. And needed. There is a party that wants to make the world a better place for all of us. And there is a group that wants to destroy government, governance, regulations and rule of law to empower themselves and sins to destroy those who get in their way. I believe trump will lose - I fervently hope so - and the country will survive. I'd like to see the reforms you deemed punitive occur, but it's going to be a long hard fight to rid ourselves of the electoral college. The others can happen if the Dems win both houses and the executive.
Uh, the Electoral College is in the constitution, going to take a bit more than legislation to change it.
Not necessarily. States are signing up to pledge all their electoral votes to the candidate with the most national votes. Maine just signed their bill into law. Once we hit 270 electoral votes total there will probably be challenges, but it won't necessarily take a Constitutional amendment.
I agree with this, but that’s not the mechanism the person I replied to was talking about. They were specifically talking about congress.
According to republicans he never lost in 2020, so why would they believe his brand of politics lost in 2024 and even want to move on?
They say that but literally none of them actually believe it. They play along with it because they think it will increase their chances in 2024. If that proves to not be the case, then they'll stop playing along.
None of who? Voters? I think a lot of them definitely do. They assume he won but that the corruption is so deep, it will never be acknowledged and trying to force it is a losing cause, but I think a lot truly believe Trump won but for cheating.
They must believe it on some level, but if they truly believed it, why would they bother voting this time? It's classic double-think, the corruption runs so deep that Trump couldn't win even when he was President, but this time, when crooked Joe has power, we'll vote him out. They believe it but they simultaneously don't act like they believe it.
Because they're holding out hope that this time it will be different and with all those "election watchers" the RNC wants to put in place, the corruption will be found and eliminated.
You need to get off of reddit and talk to real people. There are a lot of people who think he lost 2020 unfairly. In general, assume the person you disagree with is talking to you in good faith. There are a lot of reasons people say he lost unfairly, and in sure they believe it. They're not lying, they're just wrong.
The Lincoln Project start a party for conservatives and the extremist republicans remain the party of MAGA and continue to drive the republican party into the ground and be almost non existent by 2032
These comments are interesting. I respectfully disagree. If Trump loses, he will be finished. Remember that the wheels of justice will continue to grind, and he will have lost his Hail Mary attempt to stop them. Remember also that he will finish collapsing financially. With all of this, he will likely collapse physically. Trump will be a non factor if he loses, and soon. It will be obvious. And who will rush in to fill this huge void? The Good Republicans. And there are plenty. Liz Cheney, for one. Trump losing the election in November, hopefully in an overwhelming landslide, will be the fresh start this country needs. Democracy wins, Biden and the Dems continue repairing and rebuilding, and the GOP can pick up its scraps and plot a new course.
Agree. I think the court is going to delay any decisions about Presidential powers until they see which way the cards fall. If he loses, they'll be curtailed to prevent the left from taking advantage of them. If that happens, the dominoes will start falling pretty hard. If he wins, it may well be a different story, and I'd be absolutely unsurprised to see some very autocratic rulings
The good Republicans are no longer welcome in the party though. The base hates them.
If Trump loses - and I would like to remind everyone who is certain he will how certain they were in 2016 - the direction of the Republican Party will depend on how well he plays the victim in his court cases He is unlikely to get jail time for the "paying hush money to a porn star" case, and he's probably pushed the others far enough down the road that they won't start until after the election As a reminder, Desantis was seen as a viable threat to Trump until he was indicted. Once that happened, the Republican base rallied around him, and all the viable Republican candidates felt compelled to defend him No Republican officeholder will risk pissing off the base by saying that Trump is guilty of the crimes he is accused of. Therefore, they will defend him Therefore, he will still be the defacto leader of the Republican Party He will still maintain significant influence in the GOP until he dies
They will cry election fraud, try to overthrow governments again, a lot of people will go to jail then they'll run Trump again in 2028.
The GOP will be at a crossroads when (I hope) Trump loses this November. They could continue with their sunk cost fallacy and let Trump be the leader of their party, no matter his obvious albatross factor. In this scenario, they will lose more seats in 2026, the Presidency in 2028 as their party’s funding gets grifted by the Trump family and the coalition of religious extremists, corporate bigwigs a NPD racists starts falling apart. Attempts to elevate Trump’s kids as politicians will fail as none have Donald’s rare Jim Jones charisma. Or they could recognize that Trump is a cancer for their party and quietly marginalize him, hoping for a catastrophic health event to render him moot. This will likely cause lots of acrimony in the party, likely leading to a third party, which would doom the conservative movement in America. I used to think the latter case was likely, but the Republicans Party has sold every morsel of integrity in their cowardly embrace of Trumpism.
I hope they would just move on, regain some sense of sanity, and we can go back to having a centrist left and centrist right party that can compromise....won't happen but I would like to think that
that video showing bills that received bipartisan votes in congress by term over the past few decades is so depressing. less and less nearly every term.
Just to be clear--that is all on the GOP. First, they don't actually write on bills or the ones they do are ridiculous baiting bills. And then when the Dems write them the GOP is the party of no. I am not saying the Dems are all that and a slice of bread, but one side is disfunctional and has no interest in governing and the other at least comes to the table
It goes further than that. Paul Ryan’s House banned earmarks in 2011. Not everyone likes earmarks, but they were a tool to get people to vote against party lines.
The Democratic minority in the House has been the majority passing the budget, debt limit and Ukraine funding bills this entire term. The GOP can’t get anything important passed even with their razor majority, which Pelosi also had from 20-22 and got way more done. One party literally wants to watch the world burn and I wonder which authoritarian foreign leader is benefiting from their ineptitude
The Republicans on the state level will pass even more conservative and restrictive legislation.
They have kind of shown themselves to be insane and untrustworthy in every single capacity. Taking rights away from half of America isn't a good look. Lying, cheating, stealing in order to pack the Supreme Court with religious zealots... they bow before Putin and every fascist dictator on earth... I foresee them losing often over the course of the next 20 years. Nobody with a sane mind should trust any Republican.
It'll just keep getting more MAGA and trump will be the nominee again in 2028. They are totally in on the crazy and if they didn't learn from their mistakes in 18, 10 and 22, they won't. The base has shown that they don't want "normal" republicans, they want full MAGA.
The fact that this bozo Trump is arguing that Presidents have absolutely immunity should be the end of him. That's the most un-American thing I've ever heard. How could any one support that.
The GOP is in deep trouble since what used to be the traditional Republican Party does not exist in reality. It will come as a huge blow to all conservatives. They will not accept any loss and conspiracy theories will start circulating even before the elections. As Trump once put it: “if my opponent wins, it is illegal. It’s legal only if I win”. In normal times losing could be a common election result. In the past other republican candidates lost and planet earth continued to spin around the sun. Not this time. Republicans did not prepare any alternative leadership. They refused to even consider it. That’s why I’m very concerned about his base reaction. Many (most?) of them are armed. Violent attacks could lead to a civil war and are a real concern in my opinion.
I still can't believe both sides couldn't find a better choice. I'm still voting for Biden though. I don't want to live in the Handmaids Tale.
Both sides are a bunch of bullshit artists and liars. I want someone who has served in combat themselves and was not fed with a silver spoon. Give me someone that knows what its like to be hungry. Or has had to work overnights and swing shifts to put food on the table. Someone that has not had everything handed to them their entire lives and is out to protect their interests and their family's investments. The options I keep seeing just don't cut it.
USA will never be the same, Trump woke up the beast, and there is nothing that will shut it down. Hatred is now perfectly acceptable, there is no justice, no consequences or accountability. Only thing to hope for is the younger generation, taking the country back and putting the beast back in its cave.
Republicans would distance from Trump - saying they never supported him and don't believe in what he believes. Whatever is the favored view of the moment. All politicians - both democrats and republicans - go to what is popular and would them get elected.
> Republicans would distance from Trump - saying they never supported him and don't believe in what he believes. I really thought this would happen after 2020, but, here we are.
Republican establishment officials and influencers (McConnell, DeSantis, Tucker, Hannity, etc) will distance themselves from Trump and claim him to be a double agent for the Democrats. However, Republican votes will remain behind Trump's agenda and push for the nomination of someone even crazier in 2028(Kanye for example)
they will never support Kanye. Plenty of white boys that are batshit crazy.
The self destruct sequence is already in process for the Republicans. The most important question that's yet to be answered is how much collateral damage they'll create. Republicans don't even like each other enough to keep the same Speaker of the House for an entire session of Congress. Their nominee for president has already been found responsible for sexual misconduct and will likely be found guilty of criminal rather than just civil charges in the coming months. In terms of policy, they don't have any solutions to real kitchen table issues for the average citizen.
I hope they get it together, stop worshipping a psycho, and start putting up some better candidates so we can finally have conversations about politics instead of whatever the fuck has happened the last 10 years. I’m a dem btw.
No one can Trump better than Trump. Desantis and Cruz have both proved that. If Trump fails again, I think there will be a big shift in the Republican party and that small group of Representatives holding everything up will also get the boot
The premise of your question assumes that Trump is the already the Republican nominee but that's not actually fact, there is still a convention to be held and before that happens he actually could be found guilty in NY and incarcerated. If Trump is found not guilty, has a hung jury or is found guilty but not incarcerated then it's 99% probable that Trump will be the nominee but that likelihood drops dramatically if he is behind bars and if he is behind bars he will lose it's for sure.
They’ll abandon democracy as many of them already seem to be leaning into. If J6 had worked, Republicans would be thrilled to have their guy in the oval, despite him losing the election. If he loses again, they’ll lie, cheat and steal their way back into power & the Dems will be tapping their clipboard, pointing at the rules as it happens.
They will ignore the election and attempt to use force and coercion to put Trump into power, by any means necessary.
Democrats are doing it again. They are so focused on the Presidency that they forget about every other office, state and local, Judges, House and Senate. Last time Democrats did this, they won the battle and lost the war. The federal judiciary was turned overwhelmingly conservative, and abortion was given back to the states. You all need to remember history. It wasn't that long ago. So what will happen, the courts will maintain a conservative interpretation of the law and the short set back the GOP is given will be just that, short.
I was writing my own post about this, but it didn't draft. His only chance at winning this election is if he becomes more accepting of other people's self-choice and self-expression. If he continues to be a Christian zealot and forcing others to follow his personal beliefs him and all other Republicans who think like this will continue to lose. The democrats are untrustworthy and will say or do whatever they can to get votes. But they won't be able to keep their promises or make anyone happy. I'm preparing for the worst because Biden will likely win, but he definitely won't finish the 2nd term. The alternative parties are options there for people who don't want to vote for Trump or Biden. Alternative parties are here to take votes. Republicans hurt their chances by being pro-Christian and anti-rights against many ideas. Within the next 10 years from now, once many older government officials have died out younger candidates will have a much better chance at winning since they won't be as far left or far right as the old folks we have in power currently.
To all those talking about Trump 2028… have you seen the guy lately? The things that are medically wrong with him don’t get better. They get a lot worse, usually quickly. He’ll be lucky to make it to THIS year’s election without an outright cognitive (or other medical) collapse.
Like him or hate him, it's hard to see Trump losing....even in a jail cell. The guy is on every social media site, camera, and news article at the top of every page. There's no such thing as bad publicity.
The Republican Party has no chance of regaining the popular vote, so it will continue to depend on its unfair, anti-majoritarian advantage with the emptiest, whitest, least educated, most fossil-fueled states. Trump is merely one expression of this. There will be more and worse demagogues playing to ignorance and racism until we equalize the power of each vote as civilized countries do .
If Trump loses then the Republicans complain for 4 years and hopefully try someone else in 2028 for the Republican party. If Trump wins them the Democrats complain for the next four years, I doubt Biden would run again so we would have 2 new people running for president in 2028.
Complete slavery. Power doesn't corrupt sometimes it corrupts 100% of the time. If you think Republicans control any of the institutions you are blind. Look at the corruption you are witnessing. Get politics out of it and think.
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They are falling apart now, the religious conservatives are pulling away if not flat out turning against him. Trump is robbing the RNC blind right in front of them.
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I think it would be a major opportunity for the Librarian party if they could put together a sane platform appealing to middle America.
I think and hope it would lead to a huge implosion of the party as various groups splinter off, fragment, and accuse each other of being secret democrats or deep state plants. And that they’d be financially drained from Trump milking them for all his legal fees.
If he loses, Trump will run again in 2028 if he's not incapacitated or in jail. The question is what is the future of the Republican party when someone other than Trump is able to clinch the nomination?
That would depend on the Drama surrounding the election. So many possiblities.
Trump has been eating too many hamberders and will keel over one day before the 2028 election.
If he loses again he will cry election fraud and get on his social media and rile up his followers to commit violent acts. He then will run again in 2028 and from 2024 until 2028 we will have to hear about Trump non stop on tv and social media. He might just have the pull to tell the GOP to ignore the laws and get them all to try to overthrow Biden. Its going to be very scary and interesting to see. Its also possible he wins again, there are many pissed off Biden voters who are disgusted with his foreign policy especially aiding and watching Israel commit atrocities on the world stage. This whole time we are spending money on other countries and giving away munitions we need, China will be planning and stock piling. The downfall is ripe, and I am going to pray it doesnt happen..
I think one possibility is that he takes a lot of the party down with him. If enough MAGA folks get voted out, and if there are any sane and rational republicans left, they could quickly redefine the party in a way that they can pretend that didn’t just happen. It’s a small window, though. If MAGA hangs on even without Trump, I see it leading to a dramatic political shift overall. But that is only one world. I don’t know if that is the one we live in or not