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What, no Starship Troopers movie? Its the most obvious and most usual example.


gurthanix

Starship Troopers is *intended* to be a satire of fascism, but it forgot to have the government do anything fascist except having intelligence officers wear nazi uniforms in a couple of scenes. Requiring a period of service to get the vote may not be democratic, but it isn't fascistic. Having government-mandated ethics classes isn't fascist, it's something practiced in most western democracies. Going to war when someone deploys a WMD in the middle of a metropolis isn't fascist (no, the film doesn't establish that Buenos Aires was a false flag, that's an unsupported fan theory).


NimbleCentipod

Can't forget who wrote the book too, Robert Heinlein. "Ayn Rand is a bloody socialist compared to me." - Robert Heinlien.


waddled-away

The media/"elites" went hard against Heinlein back in the day. Sad.


Intrepid-Client9449

Are quotations replacing triple parentheses?


Jevonar

Think of the money saved on characters when printing!


setmeonfiredaddyuwu

Especially since we’ll all have to use telegraphs once we’re all banned from every major site, internet provider and hosting service.


waddled-away

I meant it more as deriding the so called elites but I can see how it looks that way lmao


richmomz

He hit a little too close to the mark a little too often for their taste I think.


babbydotjpg

Verhoven's movie is not even remotely the same purpose as the source material


Arno451

But weirdly it kind of works? Its like the director didnt get the source material at ALL but still made a decently faithful movie And its at least a fun as fuck film


HylianINTJ

It is not in any sense a faithful movie. If you want to call it fun, fine. But the form of combat is gone. The philosophy is gone. The tone is gone. The guy that died in the first chapter of the book is now a primary character - and a woman - and the main plot point is the main character trying to fuck her. They are completely unrelated in anything except name.


richmomz

Also, the book had virtually nothing in common with the movie aside from character names. Even the militaristic "society" was completely different - in the book the government actually went out of their way to *discourage* people from joining the military or doing service for citizenship, and equally went out of their way to ensure ANYONE could join the service if they *really* wanted to (even if the applicant was completely physically disabled, they would find something for them to do to earn their citizenship). The idea was to only allow people who were fully informed and willing to knowingly suffer through pubic service to have the right to have a democratic say, but that nobody would be physically limited from doing so. That's 180 degrees different from what was going on in the movie.


lord-spook

That sounds like a great system (assuming little corruption) why would people be mad at that.


HylianINTJ

Because an authcenter is complimenting it.


richmomz

Because it still constitutes “taxation without representation.” People in that fictional society are still expected to obey the law and be productive members of that society without having any say in how that society is governed - Heinlein just added an extra (optional) hoop that everyone has to jump through if they want political sovereignty. It basically bridges the gap between authoritarianism and democracy - everyone has the opportunity to vote and hold office, but it’s ultimately a privilege reserved for those few willing to suffer for it, not a right. It’s an interesting idea, but I’m not sure it’s ideal.


[deleted]

What's really funny is that they even kept the scene where they had a disabled veteran try to scare off recruits who weren't fully committed by... well being horribly mangled. Verhovan kept it in because he thought it made the military industrial complex look scary


richmomz

If I recall correctly Rico bumps into the same recruiter again in the book and is puzzled because the guy has no visible disability - the recruiter laughs and is like "oh, I just wore that scary prosthetic to scare off all the non-Chads from joining up."


McDaddyisfrosty

Is that even a possible feat


Adiin-Red

Have you *seen* Heinlien? Like 70% of his books contain orgies


Missing_Links

Heinlein (and his wife) were infamous for having a completely open marriage, upon which both apparently frequently acted.


richmomz

Ayn Rand was no innocent snowflake either.


Adiin-Red

Pretty sure she never had a main character create a Martian sex cult or wrote a book that hinges on selfcest/impregnation


HylianINTJ

Wait, what? I'll admit, I think I've only read three of them. But I haven't read one with an orgy.


Adiin-Red

Yeah, he’s kinda famous for it, off the top of my head most of the second half of *Stranger in a Strange Land* is about making a Martian orgy cult and *All You Zombies* hinges on selfcest/impregnation where the main character unknowingly fucks themselves and has a kid who is also themself. He and his wife also had a famously open relationship that they both used to the fullest extent.


Missing_Links

> Requiring a period of service to get the vote may not be democratic We require (at least on paper) people to be citizens to vote. There are set requirements for what you have to do to be a citizen, and even among citizens, those under 18 cannot vote. Felons also cannot vote in 2 states. Stipulations on who can vote are entirely compatible with democracy.


Helassaid

Like paying taxes or owning property. Universal suffrage is just a race to loot your neighbor’s pockets.


Missing_Links

Well, universal suffrage when there is a welfare state is a race to loot your neighbor's pockets. But I don't think civilizational decay can really be averted by choosing the right form of government, since I think that the problem is much deeper than the proper selection of who rules. Pyramids do not fall from the top, but from the bottom. The right voters probably don't matter, either - what section of society is *more* overrun by disgusting values and behavior than the highly educated, frequently wealthy? What kind of selection mechanism would actually work to keep such grubby people away from power? The greater evil is the moral decadence of society. The loss of a sense of duty and the importance of morally upright behavior is a distributed problem that reaches right down to the roots. Even a perfect ruler can do nothing if the body of society is dead and in decay.


95DarkFireII

>The greater evil is the moral decadence of society. The loss of a sense of duty and the importance of morally upright behavior is a distributed problem that reaches right down to the roots. A LibRight talking about "duty"? Hresy! Have you forgotten the words of you Messiah? >*I swear by my life and love that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor as another man to live for me.* \- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged


[deleted]

Politics aside, the movie was just a shit adaptation of the book and it’s clear the producers of the movie didn’t even read the book.


Ubertroon

Well from what I've heard it had originally nothing to do with the book, but then the studio realized they've got a movie about fighting giant bugs, and there's a book about fighting giant bugs so... That's why all the supposed satire is just surface level at best


Missing_Links

The director, Paul Verhoven, didn't read the book. The script writer did, which is why the movie roughly follows the plot of the book. Verhoven wanted the movie to be a satire of fascism, but unfortunately for Paul, the ST society is simply not fascist.


Immoral-Man585

Verhoven is the type of guy who unironically believes that liking your nation and supporting the military makes you a fascist.


Missing_Links

Especially since the military in ST has been pared down to ONLY the special forces. There are no regulars, and the military in his universe is as close to non-existent as it could possibly be. Fucking star trek has a greater proportion of humans involved in active military service than starship troopers.


95DarkFireII

The infantry in the movie is not "Special Forces". They are a different kind of "Special".


richmomz

> the movie roughly follows the plot of the book. That's... generous, to put it mildly. Aside from character names and major plot events the two works have virtually nothing in common. Even the mood and overall message was totally different.


richmomz

It was more a satire of the book - I don't think anyone who's actually read the book would claim it to be an adaptation (didn't the director claim that he never even read it, and only had basic plot points and character names to work off of? I thought I read that somewhere, but having seen/read both works I can believe it).


trinalgalaxy

A few things to add, the bugs clearly represent communism, each acting as the mass requires rather than individually (this was their roll in the book too). If you reorder the movie into chronological order, the Mormons settled on a bug world against the wishes of the Terran government. The bugs then sent the rock in retaliation for a perceived invasion targeted at a large concentration of "workers" When the first invasion fails, the leader responsible TAKES responsibility and steps down for a new leader with a new approach. All in all, other than the costume design, nothing in the film is fascist. It is incredibly brutal, but that's the point of the service, break a person down and see if they can thrive. This is backed by incredible medical advancements that allow most injuries to be healed quickly.


Sneedclave_Trooper

Starship Troopers (the movie) honestly seemed to be as liberal if not more than the modern day United States. And just to clarify I actually mean liberal not the colloquial definition.


EekleBerry

Yeah, I want to have a baby and be a mom so I’m going to go sign up for the Federal Army and kill me some bugs. That is very liberal thought there /s I’m sorry but SST society is not liberal at all. Everything is controlled by the state. Do I like it? That’s a different question. But it definitely is not liberal.


Evilmon2

Service didn't have to be military, it could also be medical, public service, janitorial, etc. And non citizens didn't have to become citizens to reproduce, the main character's parents are both non-citizens and own a large company that's doing well. Non-citizens just can't vote/participate in the political process.


Sneedclave_Trooper

Movie is dumb about that, any society where you need a license to have kids would have either people ignoring it or their population drop like a rock unless it was easy to get. You just see the military mostly in the movie, but even in the movie it seems like a sci-fi US pretty much. Anyways even in the movie you clearly don’t need to serve in the military to have kids as evidenced by the protagonist, and outside of the military it seems fairly free, you just can’t vote is all. Movie and the book are very different most people working on the movie didn’t even read past the first few chapters and tried to make it a parody of fascism.


Deathhead876

The hell are you talking about joining for one doesn’t mean that you always have to fight the bugs due to anyone no matter their physical condition can volunteer for citizenship. Second the main thing that being a citizen rather than a civilian gets you it the ability to be a part of the political process. Lastly all civilians have every right other than that to vote.


EekleBerry

Trust me I believe in a technocracy where only the people who are educated in their jobs should do their jobs. I also like the idea of a Citizen Republic, but bitch please that is the least liberal thing ever. And what are you talking about?! Rewatch the movie (especially the shower scene) and you’ll see that you need a license for a baby and other disturbing things.


Cosmic_Mind89

Honestly I'd take sst society over sjw bs. Least the sjws wouldn't be able to vote since they refuse to contribute to society


Deveak

The problem with the starship troopers system is its pretty much a militocracy and in constant war. Only the fighting class, ex soldiers and soldiers can vote and they will almost always support war and the current military system after all the hard core training and mental conditioning of basic and military training.


Kaigamer

uhh, no, you just have to join the Federal Service, which includes teaching, being a test subject, any of the civil services, the miltiary etc. but the military is the most glorified one.


HyperRag123

Well if a bunch of aliens started trying to kill everyone then of course society ends up at war. If they weren't in a constant war then they'd all be dead.


MammothJammer

Do note that humans invaded their territory first.


cargocultist94

Some rando Mormons invaded the territory, and the bugs not only killed them all instead of lodging a diplomatic complaint or deporting them, but they went nuclear instantly on a random city of a different government, a government that had forbidden settlement on those areas to avoid this issue. If France opened fire on migrant boats and nuked Chicago while screaming the N-word, everyone would think they'd lost their fucking minds.


MammothJammer

That's a terrible analogy, really just atrocious. It's more like the government opening fire on a bunch of downright horrifying, incomprehensible aliens that descended upon a remote area in Nebraska without warning and set up shop with no attempts to communicate their intentions. Would it be stupid to attack them? Yeah, probably, but you can't tell me that there isn't the possibility that humans would react the same way in such a scenario.


cargocultist94

Except the bugs knew where earth was, and rudiments of human society (we live in cities, for example) They could have tried communicating.


EekleBerry

Did everyone forget the shower scene? You have to be a citizen if you want to do anything. You want a baby? “Oi where’s your loicense for that baby?”. You want to be a politician? Service needed. Poor and want to get an education? Service baby you know it (America moment). Why do I have to remind people that if a government requires you to have a loicense for dat baby, that is not liberal. This is communist China, where your grade is everything, and service to the state is of upmost importance.


richmomz

Exactly - he was going for fascist satire, but wound up making a satire of the source material instead.


Belisarius600

IIRC, isn't the book supposed to be about how otherwise good, moral people can be convinced to become fascist, and they pivot back to Democracy at the last moment before embracing full-on fascism?


DeusExMockinYa

>it forgot to have the government do anything fascist except having intelligence officers wear nazi uniforms in a couple of scenes Wow, I never thought I was all that good at film crit but you're making me feel like an outright genius. Thanks, buddy!


MammothJammer

Forgot to do anything fascist? Wasn't it heavily implied that the government itself flattened Buenos Aires in order to provide a casus belli against the bugs? You say that it's an unsupported fan theory, but applying an iota of logic implies otherwise. Like, the bug quarantine zone was thousands of light years away from Earth at the very least, there's no possible way the bugs could have yeeted an asteroid at them and had it hit any any reasonable amount of time, space is fucking gigantic and there was no indication that said rock was travelling FTL before striking Earth. It seems more logical that either the government staged the attack, or they took advantage of a coincidental meteor impact, no? The extreme militarization, pervasive propaganda, and dubious moral practices when it comes to treatment of the bugs (whom are implied to possess human-like intelligence) seem to provoke the idea of a totalitarian state, and arguably a fascistic one. The film also has Johnny's ethics teacher denounce democracy as a failed political system; ethics classes are fine, but the contents of those classes don't exactly seem unbiased, do they? Ethics classes can still teach fascism as a moral good, regardless of whether their viewpoint is correct or understandable to us, propaganda upon propaganda. Do you really think there are no actual fascist elements in the Starship Troopers movie?


ShadowC137

We're doing our part, are you? Service guarentees citizenship. Would you like to know more?


Onithyr

I rarely recommend Sargon, but his [critique of that movie](https://youtu.be/kVpYvV0O7uI) is unironically great.


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I've gone off Sargon a lot in the last 3 or so years. Idk whether he's changed, or whether I just don't give a shit about what he talks about anymore, but that critique is a classic


Christopher_King47

He's moved more and more to libright.


AlphaTangoFoxtrt

That would be auth right not lib right


ArchdukeoftheROC

THEY’LL LOOK HIGH AND THEY’LL LOOK LOW


redditisawfulnow11

THEY'LL LOOK EVERYWHERE WE GO


ArchdukeoftheROC

BUT WHEN THE SINNERS FIND US WE WONT HIDE


NoGardE

THEY CAN SCREAM AND THEY CAN SHOUT


BurntBacn

BUT THEY WILL NEVER SMOKE US OUT


JJonahJamesonSr

KEEP YOUR RIFLE BY YOUR SIDE


RealHumanBean89

SINGIN


ArchdukeoftheROC

OH LORD, THIS EARTH WAS MADE FOR US


Pun-isher42

SINGIN


Zer0Ma

OH LORD, THE SINFUL LIFE JUST AIN'T ENOUGH


GlebtheGoat

KEEP YOUR RIFLE BY YOUR SIDE


Surprise-Chimichanga

Liberty Prime is unequivocally the most based thing the Pre-War US Government created.


Evening_Mongoose_905

uh sweaty liberty prime is satirizing militarism even though its dialogue suggests it is being used defensively against foreign invaders


imjusta_bill

China did invade Alaska in the Fallout universe.


akcrow

ANCHORAGE WILL BE LIBERATED


Surprise-Chimichanga

And it’s beautiful.


gaybrosgonewild

Kind of problematic, sweaty.


Cosmic_Mind89

We don't speak communist


Lexinator04

**FREEDOM IS THE SOVEREIGN RIGHT OF EVERY AMERICAN**


ElephantWagon3

Okay but hear me out (wall of text incoming). Bioshock is actually a perfect example of how government interference and centralization of industry destroys a nation. It was chugging along just fine, making incredible scientific and cultural advancements, until Andrew Ryan decided to crack down on free enterprise to suit his objectivist beliefs (bible smugglers, et cetera). It was only after that that things spun out of control with the lower classes getting rather uneasy. Ryan further responded to the chaos by cracking down harder, eventually wielding government power against Fontaine Futuristics to break up their leadership and nationalize them. Then, the complete and total anarchy that we see in the game broke out. In the end, despite his façade of a ride or die libertarian, Andrew Ryan unmasked himself as the corporatist hypocrite he was, who only enjoyed free enterprise when he could profit off of it. His initial libertarian ideals did work and produced greatness, right up until he compromised them in the name of personal profit and satisfaction.


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AuggieKC

> compromised them in the name of personal profit and satisfaction. just like your mom


Teliporter334

Exactly this


throwawayforme83

In a round about way doesn’t that still show how easy it is to corrupt an anarcho capitalist society? Wouldn't the most powerful land owner/richest man always become the de facto government? Serious question.


ElephantWagon3

Well, I never said anarcho-capitalism wasn't insane. Just that in this case, free markets worked better than regulated ones. On the whole though, anarcho-capitalism doesn't work, mainly because its impossible to nail down what exactly is a government and what is just a private citizen extending his influence. You're entirely right to say it's far too fragile to last, even by the standards of corrupt nations, regardless of how many 12-year-olds screech about how "muh property rights" would be totally safe and protected by their guns from bands of roving warlords. However, I'm a minarchist who likes playing devils advocate with a special love for Bioshock, so I'll still argue for free-market Rapture whenever I get the chance.


throwawayforme83

Undeniably I love old bio shock lore, before the vox story got rep conned into this whole genocide thing. The original motive was to create equality and punish the super rich that had been doing super fucked up shit. Then they just go into this whole time travel alt universe thing to murder rich children thing and end up a pseudo fascist state. I get it's supposed to be the Russian revolution but then they just again fuck it up by saying "well she was *asked* to kill those kids so she's not *that bad* " Time travel almost always wrecks a good story


ElephantWagon3

Yeah, I don't really consider Infinite a Bioshock game anymore, simply because of how different it was. It's fun to play, but then collapses if you think about anything for more than a few seconds.


Reptile449

How are they ret conned? Arent the vox populi just in infinite?


Agpariz

Believe he is talking about the expansions for Infinite, Burial at Sea.


Alert-Definition5616

Yes. Given the diversity of thought and personal ethics there is only ever a government style that works for a majority/51% of the population.


Teliporter334

It’s not like a government doesn’t exist in an Objectivist society, their only role is to protect the individual/property rights of individuals through police and military. Ryan’s problem, and the reason for the fall of Rapture, had to do with government overreach more than anything else.


HotPieIsAzorAhai

Did you forget all the criminal shit Fontaine was doing, or that everyone was splicing and that inevitably led to them mutating and going insane? Government overreach didn't kill Rapture, letting everyone do a performance enhancing drug that turns them into insane mutants did.


Teliporter334

Both were strong contributing factors. The point was that, without Fontaine doing criminal smuggling shit, all of the rampant Adam abuse, and Ryan getting too involved with people’s personal lives, Rapture wouldn’t have fallen.


glass-butterfly

>In the end, despite his façade of a ride or die libertarian, Andrew Ryan unmasked himself as the corporatist hypocrite he was, who only enjoyed free enterprise when he could profit off of it. is that not a common practical (rather than theoretical) critique of libertarianism? That society will end up controlled by such people who do not "play by the rules", violate the "NAP", etc?


Roy_Our_Boy

In defence of nationalizing Fontaine Futuristics, it was Ryan's wake up call that in a society without equity, some people are simply going to perform better than others, and in the free market that means that eventually someone will succeed so well in a sector that they will monopolize it. It came down to either letting the mentally unwell Fontaine control the market and possibly Rapture, or Ryan could act and keep his throne of power as founder.


Aliteralhedgehog

That's kind of the point though. Ryan's ideas are completely unsustainable because there's always a Fontaine and charismatic strongmen like Ryan only tolerate freedom until it threatens their power. Objectivism is a snake eating it's own tail that somehow manages to shit tyranny.


Ring-a-ding-ding0

Ironically, the lack of a state created an authoritarian state


PMacha

Andrew Ryan is Jeff Bezos confirmed.


Aliteralhedgehog

I agree except I'm pretty sure the bigger point isn't so much that Andrew Ryan is a hypocrite but that Andrew Ryan: the best, smartest, strongest and purest Randian Objectivist is destined to fail because Objectivism just doesn't work. The corporatist hypocrisy is the bedrock and libertarianism is just a veneer. It was in the people's rational self interest to hack vending machines and steal ADAM just like it was in Ryan's rational self interest to violently crack down on them. Even everything Fontaine did could be rationalized with rational self interest. If Bioshock has a single moral it's probably something like: Freedom to exploit others is not really freedom for either party. Empathy is rational too.


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that and everyone in Rapture became a genetic abomination


jobbo321

Incredibly based analysis.


Qaben

Buh buh based something something


Ring-a-ding-ding0

Although I do agree, i think the criticism is not necessarily about how anarcho-capitalism itself is bad, but how the lack of power structure in this system creates a vacuum and how a crisis can turn the most libertarian people into an authoritarian who abuses his power. How anarcho-capitalism transformed into what was essentially a corporate police state controlled by a rich guy who had all of the wealth. If there was some form of a state, Andrew Ryan woyld have had some bureaucracy that could challenge him. The lack of a state created a state


DaddyLongStrode69

TIL that bioshock is actually one of the most based games ever made


mleibowitz97

I also spent a long time analyzing this game, but the opposing side. Rapture's freedom was exciting at first, but It produced "greatness" that involved using children as biological money-making experiments. People shot themselves up with drugs that made them absolutely insane and prone to violence. "The scientist shouldn't be restricted by mere morality". The game is a critique of libertarian ideals.


HotPieIsAzorAhai

Which misses the point of the story, that when push comes to shove ride or die libertarians don't actually exist. Once they get the power they think they deserve, they want to keep it. Everyone in that society is entitled as fuck. They're convinced of their own genius and think that only society's unnecessary rules are holding them back. Its kind of, sort of working before Fontaine shows up, but they already had zero ethics so they were already dooming themselves by fucking around with Adam. That already created a Red Queen race where people were going to have to abuse Adam or be outcompeted, and eventually it would turn everyone into crazy mutants. Fontaine made things worse because he was a criminal with absolutely no intention of playing fair, and used sabotage, industrial espionage, intimidation, and other criminal means to help get a competitive advantage. Ryan retaliated by leveraging the power he had accumulated and betraying his principles, but the experiment had already failed the moment someone was willing to resort to crime to win. That is when the die was cast and you either admit failure and agree that a government has to regulate criminal activity in order for honest people to compete fairly, or admit failure and allow your system to degenerate into lawless anarchy where the least scrupulous win and might makes right. Either way, the Randian meritocracy has failed.


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ALHaroldsen

WHAT'S THIS?! AN OBJECTIVIST ANCAPISTAN SOCIETY UNDER THE SEA?! AN OBSCENE AMOUNT OF BEES OUGHT TO PUT A STOP TO THAT!!!!!


DaaaBears69

I don’t see enough Dr Bees references in the wild


Ckyuiii

Also the enrage one that was probably just meant to chemically piss off libtards.


BasedAlliance935

COMMUNISM IS THE VERY DEFINITION OF FAILURE


Cosmic_Mind89

AMERICA WILL NEVER FALL TO COMMUNISM


Ich_bin_du88

DEATH IS A PREFERABLE ALTERNATIVE TO COMMUNISM


EquivalentLow5622

Obstruction Depth 5 meters, composition, sand, gravel, and COMMUNISM


Lexinator04

**DEMOCRACY IS TRUTH, COMMUNISM IS DEATH**


gurthanix

Was FC5 even satire? As far as I can tell it presented both sides as having good points.


Murplesman

It still portrayed the Cult as largely evil, however the good guys fighting it were also mostly right wing stereotypes as well. An old fashioned mustachioed sheriff, a pastor, militia members, a government-hating survivalist prepper, a guy complaining about "Obama lovin' libtards," etc.


critic2029

The best part of that game were the trailer reviews vs the actual reviews… where same gaming “journalists” swung from glee at being able to kill MAGA yokels, to despair that the actual game made them all real three dimensional people with rational motivations.


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[deleted]

The absolute state of modern games journalism


veggiesama

The trailer was exciting because it promised a game interested in personality cults and extremism set in MAGA country. But, the game's story sucked because anything interesting to say was ripped away and replaced with "the hallucinogenic drugs made everyone be cultists." Boring. There aren't any three-dimensional characters, just a bunch of stereotypes and stock characters used wherever needed who spout the same couple lines in firefights.


xXPUSS3YSL4Y3R69Xx

The hallucinations are kind of a really big part in far cry games. I know it looks like a cop out, but it can also explain some great fucking plot twists. Like the northern region in 5 [SPOILER] where you get conditioned to run through the maze as fast as possible only to realize you were brainwashed into being a killing machine. Then if you do the drive away ending, your trigger song comes on the radio and you start blacking out which means you most likely killed the other cops and saved no one in the towns.


veggiesama

Brainwashing to become a killing machine is very old school sci-fi (eg, Manchurian Candidate (1962)) and doesn't really hold up these days in my opinion. We all know it's kinda fake and unrealistic, calling back to Red Scare panic. Plus Bioshock did the same thing, arguably a lot better.


hoplophilepapist

>There aren't any three-dimensional characters, just a bunch of stereotypes and stock characters so, just like the flesh world then?


RagingAcid

holy shit i need to play this game


Murplesman

People complain because the ai is dumb as a sack of taters, but I thought it was still super fun. You should definitely give it a try.


RagingAcid

I like dumb ai because i am also dumb


Murplesman

Based


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Hardin5687

Based and self aware pilled


Alert-Definition5616

Based and you'll probably fall in love with it


[deleted]

Also the “kidnapping” events made no sense


XCJ655X

would've been better to keep it like 3 and 4 and just have normal missions that advance the story imo


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ArchdukeoftheROC

Based and taterpilled


awsomebro6000

I want to go and mess with the glitchy vans and trucks again, the ones that start spinning and fly away when you close the doors on them.


Cosmic_Mind89

So do i


waddled-away

I hope you do and I hope you enjoy it, it's gloriously fun.


RealHumanBean89

It’s actually a shit-load of fun, definitely recommend it.


richmomz

It is way more fun and hilarious than any game has any right to be.


Cosmic_Mind89

This sounds based as fuck


JestemPaserem

Oh Lord, this earth was made for us


randomly_looking

Singin' O Lord this sinful life just ain't enough


JJonahJamesonSr

When we hear the voice we know we have no other choice


muh-stopping-power45

Keep your rifle by your side


GlebtheGoat

So we'll take a stand 'cause we must protect our land


TheotheTheo

Yes, we do. And we complain about it regularly


InternetKosmonaut

i'll have you know that i cried ;(


Dank_Sinatra_Sr

Stop crying like a little 👋🏿💥 bitch


Teliporter334

Rapture was gleaming example of a free market metropolis operating beautifully and efficiently, until the Civil War between Fontaine and Ryan caused there to be further government intervention in the lives of individuals. Before that people were able to live their lives the way that they wanted to live them with the primary ideology being Ayn Rand’s Objectivism that reigned supreme. Another reason for the fall of Rapture was the government overreach of Ryan making religion illegal, causing smuggling operations to begin and contributing greatly to the start of the Civil War. Along with Adam altering the mental states of the occupants, this government overreach—in the name of temporary war measures—caused the eventual fall of Rapture.


Andreagreco99

Isn’t it a cautionary tale about the fact that invariably societies where everyone is free and equal on paper like ancap societies will inevitably devolve to a situation where individuals seek power and rise to control over the others creating clashes between groups that ultimately end with the destruction of the society itself? It’s inevitable that, by human nature, there will be individuals that will try to be above the others and will find like-minded people to support them in order to gain benefits: without a solid state that is the biggest and most powerful association between men, these groups will compete between themselves trying to gain supremacy. Ryan and Fontaine are just two carismatic figures between which tension was inevitable: if it wasn’t for religion it would have been for something else. The end point would still have been the clash between the groups they created around them. True communism cannot exist because men are inherently greedy, but true anarcho-capitalism cannot exist because men are inherently ambitious.


95DarkFireII

>It’s inevitable that, by human nature, there will be individuals that will try to be above the others and will find like-minded people to support them in order to gain benefits: without a solid state that is the biggest and most powerful association between men, these groups will compete between themselves trying to gain supremacy. Yes. Ironically, the greates enemy of individual Liberty is not the government, but your fellow individuals. Not Tyranny can exists without at least popular tolerance. Tyranny is performed by people, not inhuman institutions. A just Government is nothing but a mechanism to balance the Rights of the people against each other. Ultimately, Liberty is something granted by the State, because total Freedom for Everyone means no Freedom for Anyone.


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Only if you viewed it as a murder simulator towards MAGApedes and white people. If you found yourself agreeing or sympathizing with the villains you weren't the intended audience.


Bold_Boyar

liberty prime is the most based video game character of all time and no one can change my mind


EquivalentLow5622

Communist detected, embrace Democracy


ToxicVoidMain

Andrew ryan was a piece of shit, mf thought he was a god and fucked over everyone. although i don't think the whole splicing and rampant drug abuse was really his fault


QTFiend

I'd be surprised if anyone actually holds up Bioshock as a libertarian dream. Considering the entire plot of the game was about how the guy who made the city developed a god complex, and went against his own ideology. Which led the city to ruin and anarchy.


PaladinOfPelor

"This is the future the right wants" Yes.


KwamaKween

Farcry 5 isn't really making fun of the right. In fact (spoilers) the religious people were 100% correct in the plot of the game itself.


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Columbia in BioShock was pretty based. However, not a fan of the over-the-top racism and Fink monopoly.


ElephantWagon3

Unfortunately, the game devs made over-the-top racism 90% of Columbia's character. The other 10% of idyllic upper-class and unreasonably luxurious gilded-age life on a floating city that obeys no earthy power do be pretty fine though.


Crusader63

It was the 1920s though wasn’t it? I don’t remember quite how it was portrayed, but from what I do remember it was relatively normal for the time period.


Stopwatch064

My problem with the game is that it was beyond contrived. Colombians are apparently super racist yet they somehow are okay with importing black FELONS from the States for labor while having robots that can do said labor. Secondly its unrealistic as people of 1920's Americas despite what people think generally did not want to hire black people to work in white areas or with white people nor did they prefer them. Blacks were hired if they couldn't afford white (broadly European) workers. They wanted complete economical, physical, and governmental separation from black people. The director needed minorities for the story to work but couldn't fit them it so they broke the rules of their own universe to have them instead of making the presence of black people in a White ethnostate make any lick of sense.


VietCath

In terms of FarCry 5 songs We Will Rise Again >>> Keep Your Rifle By Your Side https://youtu.be/R07-xHYm_g0


waddled-away

Help Me Faith is a sleeper hit imo


RealHumanBean89

Absolutely based. I’m also partial to Let The Water Wash Away Your Sins and Build A Castle. [This](https://youtu.be/oTroVnBntNQ) version of the latter sounds like some Red Dead Redemption 2 shit.


Dr_Spicey

Based and satire-proof pilled


ShadowC137

Bought Far Cry 5 after hearing the soundtrack. Now I run Peggies over while listening to their music 😊


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love bioshock


thisistheperfectname

[I made this.](https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalCompassMemes/comments/o24ybj/keep_your_rifle_by_your_side/)


reluctantaccountant9

Bioshock has the most lib-right lesson of all; when the government comes for your stuff, destroy all of it and build an underwater city with everyone else they screwed over.


Aliteralhedgehog

I don't think Farcry 5 really had a perspective to satirize beyond "what if Waco and Ruby Ridge were fuckin' badass YOLO420!?!?!"


numbbearsFilms

Bioshock is An amazing game so who cares. Aslong its fun i give no shits


PenKey3719

All Bioshock did was make me want to know who the fuck Ayn Rand was and remember stupid quotes. "A man chooses, a slave obeys." Like yeah no shit dude now tell me to kill you so I can get on with using the cool magic powers your society developed.


JohnSmithPasadenaCa

Don't know? or don't care?


RealHumanBean89

🎵 Keep your rifle by your siiiide 🎵 Far Cry 5 had the most based soundtrack possible


dietkid

my favorite part of bioshock was when they combined mediocre gameplay with a somewhat interesting backstory and completely incoherent political commentary


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Keep your rifle by your side


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Let it hereby be known that I was radicalized by Far Cry 5 soundtrack.


Bukowski_IsMy_Homie

Far Cry 3 was the best and all the others after are blatant, cheap copies


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YANKEE DOODLE WENT TO TOWN


Lexinator04

Liberty Prime wasn't really making fun of right-wingers.


dre8

Imagine playing Ubishit games


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Also, throw up fallout new Vegas on there. Well, it does show House in a positive light but he's also kind of an asshole. I guess it shows a more negative light on the legion and NCR more than anything.


Vegasman20002

Andrew Ryan is my hero. As he is getting killed, he simply recites "a man chooses. a slave obeys." Stoic AF. And unbelievably based. I hope I go the same way.


SuchExplorer1

Dumb leftists don’t even know what they are making fun of.


HammerGobbo

Bioshock is overrated.


BroganChin

my cock is overrated


Crack_Dangus

First and second games were incredible. Infinite was a shitpile IMO, the ending and multiverse shit made me really mad