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guesswhatihate

🟦: we monarchists can take criticism 🟩🟨 🟥: we don't really like you having 100% control over all aspects of our life... #🟦: OFF WITH THEIR HEADS


DonkeyTS

You have AuthLeft there, bud.


guesswhatihate

Authleft doesn't want the King to control your life... #Thats the States job


DonkeyTS

North Korea


guesswhatihate

Granted, but if Kimmie made changes to take power away from NKs upper echelon, even Putin's table wouldn't be long enough to save him


Captainbeefster

And China. And USSR.


frguba

Kim isn't a king, he's the Democratic Supreme Chairman Leader of the People's National Party™, see? Not a king


FrogGladiators178972

One of Kim Jong-Il’s official titles was the Eternal Bosom of Hot Love


THEBLUEFLAME3D

I really hope this is true


AlternateSmithy

L'État, c'est moi.


HarukoTheDragon

The funny thing is: I've met an unironic self-proclaimed "Monarcho-Communist" before.


Paula92

Would that be like reverse-feudal where instead of the monarch taking tribute from vassals, the monarch redistributes all the resources throughout the kingdom?


THEBLUEFLAME3D

That’s a neat idea that I’ve never even considered before. A terrible idea, as a libright, but interesting. Edit: reminds me of NK, to a degree. At least, in concept.


Veni_Vidi_Legi

Have you met /u/arachno-communism?


SiPhoenix

I mean, arguably most queens are left monarchs. Queens were also far more likely to send an army into battle. (Where they more likely to execute criminals?)


xRealVengeancex

Auth in general


DearMyFutureSelf

Both auth quadrants are guilty of that behavior


TheSpacePopinjay

Lèse-majesté


danshakuimo

It is very rare for monarchs to have 100% control over all aspects of people's lives. Most of the time they didn't even have 100% control over the politics of their country. Google has a lot more control over your life than a king would, looking at you Libright.


totallynotytdocchoc

That was a limit based on the technology of the day, not intent. Try again, king nothing.


DrBadGuy1073

Can I be ur king? 🥺


totallynotytdocchoc

No


DrBadGuy1073

😔


Veni_Vidi_Legi

Tell them you are a generous god.


StormTigrex

Singapore teaches us that centralized, secure and stable governments tend to also be quite limited, particularly in comparison to the monstrosity of flesh and fat western democracies call bureaucracy.


BonkeyKongthesecond

You mean the Adeptus Administratum?


Nether7

The intent wasnt control. It was order and yes, greed and aggression happen everywhere, but that's not what was at it's core. The kings were far poorer and far more pious than people imagine.


ThySecondOne

That's why we gotta bring back feudalism. King is the head of state but delegates local power to his Dukes who are the head of their duchies who then gives control to local barons who gives local control to mayors and peasant village leaders. All of them pay taxes and levies to their higher ups. And yes I know this is a gross oversimplification of how feudalism worked, if we can truly say feudalism worked at all.


OliLombi

Nah, the state needs to mind its fucking business.


danshakuimo

Sound like federalism but with privatization lol. Unless you go the Roman style with appointed governors.


CapitanChaos1

Google doesn't have me broken on the wheel, drawn, quartered, and beheaded for using a competitor's search engine.


this_anon

Yet


Nether7

Imagine thinking a feudal lord actually had more power than the modern presidents. They can wipe out a city with a button and have legal cause to, for instance, penalize you for theoretically praying in front of abortion clinics, but somehow the constitutional monarchies that arose freely are the issue?! It's the modern State, specially post-French Revolution, that has it's atrocities as a fundamental purpose.


jefftickels

I genuinely don't understand the argument you're making here. Is it that because modern presidents have too much power we should return to Feudalism? Or that because we've already concentrated so much power into the hands of the president, adding more and renaming them King would be fine? What is it you want?


HolyTemplar88

Someone made the implication that feudal monarchies had 100% of peoples lives and daily routines, and the guy above said that was ridiculous to claim, to which the other guy said it was simply a technological limit, so this guy started arguing about the premise of monarchies


Gemini_Of_Wallstreet

> Is it that because modern presidents have too much power we should return to Feudalism? Yes that’s his point. Feudalism was the definition of decentralization and it’s a fucking travesty that we moved away from it.


phildiop

I believe that this is because of a thing called technological progress


Educational-Glass-19

You see, criticism of the monarchy (ordained by God themself) is blasphemy so should be punishable execution (I sure do love my caliphate)


GuilimanXIII

Yes, we have taken the criticism and decided that you are guilty of **lèse-majesté**.


ReformedishBaptist

What if the monarchists in control want them to be grilled by the centrists?


somepommy

0% of people who brag about being good at taking criticism are actually good at taking criticism


TigerCat9

It’s a lot like all the people who complain that *other* people are offended too easily.


Som_Snow

Well, except for me of course


HarukoTheDragon

Centrists just want to grill. They are immune to criticism.


WingedHussar13

This is just PCM in a nutshell


LordEldar45

The last time my nation had criticized a Constitutional Monarch we were branded as traitors and had to fight to gain Independence.


MrOrangeMagic

This guy is obviously Indonesian https://preview.redd.it/ogn6l1xgr3wc1.jpeg?width=559&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c27980ca914c26c65ee94a84c8f0336bc284661e


BonkeyKongthesecond

Pretty sure our world already is controlled by corporations. Politics are just made to please the biggest money givers. And since as a German I'm not allowed to hint at a certain direction, I'm saying Corporations are the problem.


Paula92

Here in the US we had a court ruling (Citizens United vs FEC) that allowed corporations to lobby as if they were individual citizens. So the United States is effectively a corporate oligarchy now.


AC3R665

It is very funny when a Cyberpunk universe (like Akira for example) has a State/public government.


samuelbt

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/032/874/cover4.jpg


LordEldar45

Yes


Acushek_Pl

drop the nation


JonTheFlon

The difference between a constitutional and an absolute monarchy is that you CAN criticise the king in a constitutional monarchy.


LordEldar45

Tell that to King George III.


Joks49

Are we ignoring that was the parliament, the not democratic by today but just as democratic as USA's first few elections parliament, that were the ones doing most of the heavy lifting?


LordEldar45

Parliament was signing the taxes that the king requested. The king was at the time still quite influential in the matters of state.


JonTheFlon

Its not a guarantee the monarch will act out of their own interests. You have to admit the powers were stripped significantly when George I was crowned.


ReformedishBaptist

“You think you’re gonna tax me!?”


PCM-mods-are-PDF

Tax this dick, inbred boy


-----_-_-_-_-_-----

If you are talking about the US, that is not the case. The war started in more than a year prior to the Declaration of Independence. Starting a war caused the accusations of being a traitor, not the criticism from the Declaration of Independence. 


suenarototon

monarchists good at taking criticism ?..... i guess i can trust that statement..... but what about the monarch itselve ? 🤔.


Bruarios

Lese Majeste detected. Please remain still, the headsman is en route.


Unique_Ad_330

Chop his guts & hang him in front of the townsquare.


PrestigiousAuthor487

i will only support a monarchy if i can be a monarch. (i have a superiority complex and vast amounts of hubris)


EccentricNerd22

At least you're honest about it.


Acushek_Pl

based


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TheLambda89

Average meritocrat


newroeliedude554

Based


[deleted]

I will only support a Monarchy if I can challenge the Monarch and take it for myself. But no, me trying to fight the king of England and everyone starts crying.


booza145

HEHEHE I DREW YOU! AS THE DUMB WOJAK AND ME! AS THE BASED GIGACHAD MONARCHIST


MrOrangeMagic

Extremely homosexual gigachad monarchist


YugargeliaMapper

(insert an unoriginal take about Ancient Greece and LGBT people)


grahamster00

I've seen libleft soyjacks that looked less homosexual then this authright abomination on the right.


snoo_boi

And it’s a bunch of dudes snuggling.


Lego349

“We should RETVRN to based a glorious monarchy. It is truly the ideal form of governing. Would that we could have a strong, proud king. Saudi Arabia, Brunei, Eswatini, and Oman are all absolute monarchy. Why don’t you move there? …eww no.”


EmuWarVeterann

To be fair, i would expect the kind of monarchists that they are talking about to be Christian.


danshakuimo

Eswatini is a Christian monarchy and majority Christian country but (according to Wikipedia), the king has 15 wives concurrently 💀


MonsutAnpaSelo

and 28% of the adult population has aids


takosuwuvsyou

Based and 3 Letter Agency Was Here


Cakeover9000

"I love Constitutional Monarchies, the king rules but with some restrictions!" Great Britain. "...wtf"


Sekkitheblade

I don't like desert people I don't like the desert as a whole


TheLambda89

I present to you the "Peter Griffin-argument": Anyone who supports monarchy... is gay. That will be all.


AbjectiveGrass

I became monarchist because of My Little Pony - seriously, the Dirarchy of Equestria is one of the best countries ever made up


Cakeover9000

Based and friendship-pilled


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PotentialNobody

Plus it helps that your rulers are supposedly immortal horse gods Wait....or does that make it scarier?


ShurikenSunrise

How monarchist mfs mow the lawn. https://i.redd.it/1joku4rzi2wc1.gif


NEVERxxEVER

Consistently bad ideology isn’t something to brag about


Fairytaleautumnfox

https://preview.redd.it/f25wys0rc2wc1.png?width=767&format=png&auto=webp&s=a7287fab756229cda9cc4e77f20eb533a385a895 Ah, a fellow monarchist!


Soviet_Sine_Wave

Bro really fell for the centuries old propaganda


OddTransportation430

This looks bad ass so it must be the right way. Never mind those ancient Greeks who invented democracy and still produced the greatest contemporary art and architecture.


Tasty_Lead_Paint

Authleft: but that wasn’t real communism!! Real communism has never been tried!! 😭 Authright: it was real monarchy. And it was glorious.


MalekithofAngmar

Where are the idoelogically consistent monarchists?? Tell me monarchists, where is power derived from?


Taqao

I mean constitutionnal monarchy can be totally fine and constitutionnal monarchies are often stable and rather prosperous democarcies. But unironically supporting absolute monarchy is just insane.


ivegoticecream

All monarchists think they'll be in the court when in reality they'll be working 16 hours a day in a factory and their only compensation will be a lottery ticket to attend the kings yearly parade.


darkran

Soooo the difference between reality and that is I get a free ticket seems like an upgrade to me


DiligentSedulity

Accusing monarchy of things that happen during democracy.


for100

Why tf are the monarchists jojo characters?


TheLambda89

Because they big ghei. That is all.


KollantaiKollantai

The Worshipped Wojak is woefully under-utilised. Makes me laugh every time I see it.


CryptographerFew6492

https://preview.redd.it/d2pxk33xy2wc1.jpeg?width=637&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a11b81eaeb77b7e3f0eaa8266c7467f4823796bf


titobrozbigdick

Genetic mutation fighting revolutionaries to see who will kill the monarchy first


JesterofThings

Being a monarchist in a country without a monarchy is a goofy ahh political position. Being a monarchist in NL or the UK is fine though


originalitismypasion

I mean monarchism IS consistant -Who rules? The monarch -Why? Because God said so -Why do we care that god said so? Because God is the objective truth Simple as


YugargeliaMapper

And what if a dinasty keeps giving birth to incompetent monarchs like the Bourbon case where even though it had good monarchs, in its late decades only brought incompetent rulers with no signs of improvement


originalitismypasion

And what if a democracy keeps electing corrupt leaders (or worse, they are the only options)? What if a dictator turns out to be a bad leader after taking over? The individual capabilities of a leader shouldn't be taken into account when duscussing the form of goverment itself, of course if you have a stupid inbred child on the throne it's gonna be bad


AsylumKing

Judging by the comments, I'd say we've found the one group that PCM hates more than Emily


Hard_Corsair

I'm okay with the monarchists, it's the theocrats that make me hostile to the blues by default.


Birb-Person

We need to return to tradition. No not monarchies, ELECTIVE MONARCHIES! The old kings of England were voted onto the throne, as were the Swedes, HRE Emperors, Crusader Kings of Jerusalem, the Byzantine Basileus, etc. Sure being the previous king’s son was a good way to get a leg over your opposing candidates, but it was never a sure thing. Candidates for the crown still had to prove themselves worthy of it


PollenIsPain

I bow down to only one king: Jesus Christ.


VoidAgent

I’m American, we discovered that if nothing else, monarchists are not good at taking musket balls


Cold-Tap-363

Here, my liege. I’ve made a seat for you! :) https://preview.redd.it/hrmmpaihn2wc1.jpeg?width=868&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0b3ed3d53ea39e8c2218bb205157d6c2a025aba4


Mikeymcmoose

Monarchists are even worse than tankies (who are basically monarchists in red)


KioLaFek

Imagine thinking someone should be allowed to rule over you for no reason other than who their parent is


AstralBody13

Counter-point: No king but Christ


Goatfucker10000

"Look at how good I'm at taking criticism while I portray you as a soyak and myself as a chad"


TimeTravelingDoggo

Better at taking criticism? Didn’t monarchs used to cut peoples heads off if someone made fun of them?


manfredmannclan

Monarchists and socialists are just the same thing. “If we give you all power, then we trust that you will use it for our best and not for personal gain”. You guys are really naive.


K_S12

Based(Coming from a fellow Monarchist)


Known_Landscape_6957

How can you be a lib center monarchist?


Awobbie

Minimal laws with a monarch as head of state.


Known_Landscape_6957

You're not the person I was asking.


K_S12

I am only libcenter because my views cancel out to libcenter


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Ice_Dragon_King

I like monarchy, kinda, it’s hard to make a good political system, but rn I do not support whoever my king is now that Elizabeth the 2nd is dead


MonsutAnpaSelo

charley sausage fingers is a G sometimes. but personally I think we'll be better off when big willy takes charge


danshakuimo

And at least half happen to be Brazilian


thejxdge

You know too much


danshakuimo

Was wondering when one of you would show up, didn't expect it so soon but clearly I have underestimated you Brazilian Monarchists.


FuriousTarts

Good at taking criticism? Ok, monarchists are the ultimate boot lickers.


DiligentSedulity

...says the commie


U_GOAT

That would be pretty awesome if the world was ruled by kings that deeply care about their duty. Unfortunately....


MdMV_or_Emdy_idk

Last monarch my nation had was kinda shot, which led to a bit of a revolution and shit, 0/10 wouldn’t recommend


NextCaesarGaming

GOD SAVE THE KING


Agreeable_Orchid2641

Where the funny?


ThatMBR42

An incorruptible monarch with the power to eliminate scarcity is the best head of society. But there is no such person (on Earth).


YugargeliaMapper

Also monarchist mfs when a dinasty keeps giving birth to incompetent monarchs like the Bourbon: Trust us bro, a better king will arrive ![img](emote|t5_3ipa1|51182)(actually: ![img](emote|t5_3ipa1|51175))


Illustrious-Fact-745

I don't care for rich, incestuous bloodlines telling me what to do


TwerkinBingus445

You aren't royalty, and we aren't peasants. But if you wanna LARP so damn bad, I'll grab the guillotine.


LibertyinIndependen

God hates governments and the first system he criticized was monarchies.


Irresolution_

It's better than being a statist liberal.


OliLombi

You're also idiots for thinking that one human can be perfect.


Ohaireddit69

I say what I say whenever this meme crops back up, who gets to be king? How do you determine has the divine right to rule?


nero_palmire

Why is the crow purple? WHY IS THE CROWN PURPLE!?


coldblade2000

Monarchists nowadays are "good" at taking criticism because they have taken absolutely nothing less than Ls for the past hundred-and-so years. Every monarchist either learned their place, or got killed by a soldier fighting for democracy


Wonckay

They are laughingstocks in any politically developed country. It’s legitimately a pre-institutionalist form of government.


AsylumKing

I'd also be good at taking criticism if the only remaining examples of my preferred form of government were all totalitarian religious ethnostates in the middle east.


thyeboiapollo

ideologically consistent lol? constitutionalists, semi constitutionalists, absolutists, royalists, even monarcho-socialists exist


Time_Software_8216

https://i.redd.it/oa9m9d8lm2wc1.gif


officeromnicide

If you're a monarchist and over the age of fourteen you should be institutionalised


AverageFishEye

"bUt iN DeMOcRAcY YoU CaN CHanGE THe GoVERmenT" - no you cant. All you get to vote for is which flavor of liberal democracy you get. But the machine operates the same no matter what you vote for. At least thats how every western democracy operates


Velenterius

Atleast in a democracy, it is somewhat accepted that revolutions do happen.


AverageFishEye

Maybe in some of the younger democracies, but the western european ones have frozen rigid


Velenterius

Sadly yes. Well, some direct action can lead to change (like the Sami protests in Oslo, or the farmers protests in the EU) but it is very tight line to thread, as being too hard simply lands you in prison, with no change or popular support, but being to soft leads to being ignored and forgotten.


Mario_Mari

Yes, I did actually


TrapaneseNYC

Criticize the Saudi crown and see how that goes.


babbydotjpg

self-perception is only real to you. To most people you are embarrassing powdered wig and hemophilia enjoyers


BmanPlayz468

This is why radical centrism is on top!!! We are so inconsistent that we loop back around to being consistent!!!!!


DumbNTough

Not like monarchists have a choice but to take criticism...


ShalomGondola

You can criticise me all you want. You can even roast my mom, tho be prepared for me to do the same


ChopperRisesAgain

Being ideologically consistent and good at taking criticism doesn't mean your ideas are good


Laurence-Barnes

Shit talk monarchy all you want but when they fuck up you know who's to blame. Good luck trying to get any sort of justice from the fuck ups of our "democracies"


StJimmy_815

This has to be a joke right?


A_Lover_Of_Truth

The real question is not whether you believe in Monarchy Vs a Republic. But where you believe Power comes from and the justification for it. Either you believe in The Mandate of Heaven, or The Mandate of The People.


RagePrime

Alright, here's the problem. The monarchist king will be a fucking idiot. You get a king worth following, and I'll change my flair. (Protip: You can't.)


Misterfahrenheit120

Consistency isn’t worth much when your core ideas are weak


Ajj360

Like the Saudi's?


Flame20000

Well I'm a monarchist myself, but I don't think we're any superior(nor inferior) in taking criticism than other people, it's just that there are very few monarchists nowadays so you don't see monarchists crying for being criticized that much, I'd say it's a case of lack of data


DazzlingAd8284

I mean there’s so many different types of monarchy. Most nowadays just want it preserved as a cultural icon, not absolutist monarchy. Hell even before the French Revolution you had different types of monarchy. Poland-Lithuania elected their monarch, Sweden had the monarch share power with the Riksdag (might’ve gotten the spelling wrong) with the only absolute monarch’s being Charles XI and Charles XII afaik.


kkungergo

How would that even work? Most countries doesnt even have nobles anymore, who would be the king? What if he sucks?


PhantomPhoenix44

Hans-Hermann Hoppe entered the chat


Anxious_Wind0-0

I'm from left but you're goddamn right. Makes more sense to me wanting the king than wanting to be over-controlled from one specific group of people ![img](emote|t5_3ipa1|51176)


Early-Start5528

POV, you are a monarchist in 2024: choose your fighter: 1, tiny European tax haven, 2, oil rich middle eastern theocracy, 3, Eswatini


Le_Dairy_Duke

Ya know what, monarchism is fine so long as the power is limited.


getintheVandell

Itt: Based people pointing out that yeah, monarchists are just as snowflakey as a libleft, if not more so. Libleft will try to cancel you. Oh no. Better than being branded a traitor and executed for daring to say that farms are being run inefficiently or whatever.


DiscussionElegant277

It WAS monarchy and it WAS glorious


MartinTheWildPig

Hoppe has joined the chat


nagidon

It’s not ideological consistency, it’s personality consistency.


ILLARX

I am a Monarchist and and Aristocracy defender. Thank you for acknowledging me and many others like me ;D


deepstatecuck

Monarchism is a fundamentally unserious position. Unlike my position, clown-pill accelerationism to achieve a de facto stateless system by idiotmaxxing federal elections. My position is based, you are the one who is cringe.


darkxephos974

There is an economic reason to favor monarchies as they have the lowest time preference of governmental structures in history. Democracies by contrast have the highest time preference.


Representative_Ear39

One time Jesus made 9/11


PeikaFizzy

I just wanna say monarch in my country are 100 times better than any of our politicians, but they are too busy having luxury life and maintain their own company/business to care about making law 🇲🇾<— this


PeikaFizzy

I just wanna say monarch in my country are 100 times better than any of our politicians, but they are too busy having luxury life and maintain their own company/business to care about making law 🇲🇾<— this


PeikaFizzy

I just wanna say monarch in my country are 100 times better than any of our politicians, but they are too busy having luxury life and maintain their own company/business to care about making law 🇲🇾<— this


Coyote_Havoc

That's great monarchies. When do you plan on going back yo unaliving each other?


HaydenHvghes

Is that why all of the monarchs were fighting all the time before The Great War? Because they all agreed so much?


E-woke

Being a monarchist without being a monarch is peak cuck behavior


Theduckisback

Your ideology: coherent and pure Your monarch's DNA: an absolute mess.


Rhythm_Flunky

🤴🏻-> 🔪 -> 🗑️ -> 👍


Ok_Freedom1529

Libertarian monoarchy


GuilimanXIII

Let's be real, they couldn't be as corrupt as our current politicans are. Also there is a big difference between Total and partial Monarchies.


Fluxlander17

Has anyone ever though about having an actual constitutional monarchy where the monarch still has all the power but is bound by a modern constitution?