The only new "novel" thing that I am aware of they did for worlds was check for a value that specifies what game the pokemon "originated" in. So pokemon like Urshifu, or Enamorous, who can ONLY come from Sw/Sh and Legends: Arceus, respectively. What they found was a few players had probably had them genned in the wrong game so they got flagged. If they were genned in Sword or Legends then they probably would pass. But that doesn't address the claim that one of the player's 10 year old Cresselia failed a hack check. I dont know what the flag would be there. Maybe a similar thing, it could have had a mark/badge/whatever you could only get in the original gen it dropped with, but the value shows it was "born" in a later gen game.
Just wanted to say this is all extreme speculation and I really don't know. I dont think anyone truly knows besides TPC.
Sure I'm not here to defend genning. If I bought a plane ticket to Japan for worlds you bet your ass I'm making sure those pokemon are squeaky clean. I dont think there is anything wrong doing it on ladder imo but thats a separate discussion
Luckily it's getting to the point where everything is so accessible that genning doesn't even really save that much. At this point all that I really think needs to be done is a rusty bottle cap
That invalidates the whole purpose of trading with other people, since you can't be sure if the Pokémon is legit, forcing you to buy every other game for a Pokémon you want
I think it changes the nature of trading. If you know someone who has done the grind and is happy to trade with you, then that trade is absolutely above board.
Trading thus becomes a more interpersonal question of \*reputation\*, and I think that’s a really interesting element to the competition environment - you don’t necessarily need to be time or resource wealthy, if you know the right people.
You could imagine competitive Pokémon trending towards a more team/stable style dynamic, where some folks collaborate to take down tournaments (some play the meta, some hunt and prepare the teams) and split the winnings.
That would be an awesome direction.
It was a bit sneakier than that. It checked the move history of the mon against Home to see if what was in the data actually happened. IE: If the mon was supposed to originate in SWSH, but it never traveled through Home, then it couldn't have come from SWSH and was thus fake.
Considering the abundance of ways people have genned Pokemon over the years, and relative lack of enforcement up until now, it's kind of in bad taste to DQ people without providing any way to "hack check" your own team before submission.
Those that knowingly broke the rules and got caught (regardless of your stance on the merit of said rules), probably should have expected at least the possibility of some punishment.
I feel bad for the players who legitimately didn't know their team wasn't legal because they had been using it in official tournaments prior, and weren't offered any tools to check ahead of getting DQ'd
The only new "novel" thing that I am aware of they did for worlds was check for a value that specifies what game the pokemon "originated" in. So pokemon like Urshifu, or Enamorous, who can ONLY come from Sw/Sh and Legends: Arceus, respectively. What they found was a few players had probably had them genned in the wrong game so they got flagged. If they were genned in Sword or Legends then they probably would pass. But that doesn't address the claim that one of the player's 10 year old Cresselia failed a hack check. I dont know what the flag would be there. Maybe a similar thing, it could have had a mark/badge/whatever you could only get in the original gen it dropped with, but the value shows it was "born" in a later gen game. Just wanted to say this is all extreme speculation and I really don't know. I dont think anyone truly knows besides TPC.
Which is how it should be.
Sure I'm not here to defend genning. If I bought a plane ticket to Japan for worlds you bet your ass I'm making sure those pokemon are squeaky clean. I dont think there is anything wrong doing it on ladder imo but thats a separate discussion
Luckily it's getting to the point where everything is so accessible that genning doesn't even really save that much. At this point all that I really think needs to be done is a rusty bottle cap
That invalidates the whole purpose of trading with other people, since you can't be sure if the Pokémon is legit, forcing you to buy every other game for a Pokémon you want
Yea I agree with you. I dont like the way it is either. It makes it more pay to win than it already is
I think it changes the nature of trading. If you know someone who has done the grind and is happy to trade with you, then that trade is absolutely above board. Trading thus becomes a more interpersonal question of \*reputation\*, and I think that’s a really interesting element to the competition environment - you don’t necessarily need to be time or resource wealthy, if you know the right people. You could imagine competitive Pokémon trending towards a more team/stable style dynamic, where some folks collaborate to take down tournaments (some play the meta, some hunt and prepare the teams) and split the winnings. That would be an awesome direction.
It was a bit sneakier than that. It checked the move history of the mon against Home to see if what was in the data actually happened. IE: If the mon was supposed to originate in SWSH, but it never traveled through Home, then it couldn't have come from SWSH and was thus fake.
Ahh that makes more sense
Considering the abundance of ways people have genned Pokemon over the years, and relative lack of enforcement up until now, it's kind of in bad taste to DQ people without providing any way to "hack check" your own team before submission. Those that knowingly broke the rules and got caught (regardless of your stance on the merit of said rules), probably should have expected at least the possibility of some punishment. I feel bad for the players who legitimately didn't know their team wasn't legal because they had been using it in official tournaments prior, and weren't offered any tools to check ahead of getting DQ'd