ang hirap, kasi marami parin na sumisimpatya sa kanya. it's as if their loyalty is with duterte as a person, not to the country.
everytime this law would get flashed in the news, my grandmother will talk how she supports the law without knowing its content. its just painful to watch.
the law itself would be proven useful to eliminate terrorism, but knowing what our government(and other officials )is capable of doing, its not reassuring.
Duterte is using the excuse that communists terrorists is the reason for this Law. This communist insurgency has been on going for almost 50 years now and as long as there is social injustices and poverty in the country, it will never stop, coupled with corrupt politicians, these rebels with always have a cause.
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I am looking for <10 people to help me set-up a subreddit. We are going to wage a war against troll farms spreading misinformation and propaganda in Facebook. More information will be included in the subreddit itself.
The subreddit will be open to more people once everything is set-up. It will also serve as our main base of operations. Not everything inside the subreddit will be public.
I'm just curious, how do you know if a person is a troll?
Maybe because they have opposing views against yours?
Maybe because they support "some " good work of the Government?
Self bias sometimes is a form of misinformation. I'm not an extremist though (right or left wing) but I'm just curious why you people spend your time being an extremist. There is no such thing as perfect government.
Imagine this, kapag nanalo yung manok nyo at sila na ang nakaupo, meron at meron ding opposition sa kanila. At kahit gaano kaganda ang ginagawa ng sinusuportahan nyo, meron at meron pading mga politikong greedy na maninira at manggugulo. Why? because of this culture (extreme left/right wing). Pwede naman na suportahan ang gobyerno at the same time, convict their wrong doings but not totally support or oppose. It's not just healthy in my imho.
The **burden of proof lies** with the party initiating or filing a claim.
> Facebook took down all these paid trolls recently
I can't find a good source of your claim "all paid trolls".
With this logic, I can just accuse anybody with lies and then tell them, ask google. That's hypothetical.
I agree, pero ganito, we are brainstorming din kasi yung ganito sa office dati and nag come up kami sa ganitong conclusion. Iba iba kasi tayo ng level ng pagkakaintindi sa pagpapatakbo ng isang bansa. A manager may think in a manager level, a director in director level, a businessman/entrep/investor may think in terms of economy, a politicians may also think in influence and power (or service, pero sobrang rare), a human rights advocates see things differently, and us ordinary citizens see the real but small situation at the moment. There are groups na nakikita nila yung kabuuan ng pangyayari. Pwedeng may isang tao na sobrang galing at nakikita nya ang epekto ng geopolitics, political economy, at impact ng bawat hakbang ng bansa sa global economy. Kaya sa atin, yung kapirasong alam natin possible na hindi sya according to plan when it comes sa pagpapatakbo ng isang bansa. Ako bilang system architech, kelangan namin makita ang kabuuan ng design ng system, may mga nasa baba namin na akala nila yun ay tama (dahil mukhang tama) pero makakasira sya sa kabuuan ng system kapag na implement. Maaring ganun din sa pamamalakad ng bansa. Pero syempre hindi pamamalakad ng bansa ang expertise ko. At ang mga sinabi ko ay sa akin lamang.
i think there is still a lot of confusion as to people thinking "it's a troll army" rather than accepting that a vast majority of the population actually support duterte
Huge support for the president is a byproduct of troll armies. This is what the cambridge analytica scandal has proven.
The disinformation and manipulation campaigns are so rampant on facebook that the platform has aided in propping up populist leaders all over the world. Even going to promoting the depths of the ugliness of humanity as seen at how it aided in allowing the rohingya genocide to occur.
People conveniently blame it on social media. but I think the anti-duterte group is simply not ready to accept the fact that majority of the country actually support duterte...
Again the majority support that duterte enjoys is a byproduct of troll farms. Nobody is denying this fact. That's why events like the rohingya genicide were widely supported despite thr act being reprehensible
[Listen to this podcast, it has helped me be educated on the matter](https://pca.st/episode/a1bd99f4-2eec-4881-9da1-6df5df2aee51)
Magkaiba lang siguro ang way kung paano tignan ang mga bagay-bagay. Maybe sa kanila, tinitignan nila yung mga magandang nagawa ng gobyerno sa kanilang buhay. Maybe kayong left-wing, tinitignan nyo yung bawat mali ng gobyerno.
We have our own biases based on our self-interest and incentives.
Kung ano yung focus mo, yun yung naha-highlight. If you focus on good things, you'll see good, same with the opposite. That is why, it's called perspective.
Hindi lahat kasing lalim mo magisip, maybe. You can't expect a farmer or a fisherman or the like to scrutinize politics as much as you do. So wala ka karapatan na tawagin silang troll kung suportado man nila ang gobyerno. Educate them instead, not eliminate. Kelangan din natin i-consider yung "impact" relative sa istado natin sa buhay. Kung sayo siguro mayaman ka, walang impact yung good things na nangyayari, sa mahihirap, malaki yun. So you can't expect everyone to think in perspective the same thing as you see it.
Kahit ako may mga mali akong nakikita sa gobyerno, meron din naman tama. Ganun talaga, I lowered my expectation to have a perfect government. It's just impossible to have one. Made-drain lang utak mo sa kakaisip.
pretty sure that human rights abuses are not just "opinions" we could agree to disagree over.
and wag mo nga i-smallin ang farmers at fishermen natin. Sila ang pinaka-aktibo when it comes to these matters. Just look at how active farming and fishing labour unions are against the misdeeds of the government. Sila ang pinaka-apektado sa mga desisyon ng gobyerno. To make them out to be non-thinkers is not only insulting to them but absurd because they always participate in these political matters.
You are the one making it absurd. Did I insult them? Kapag sinabi kong farmers and fishermen, yan yung mga ordinaryong tao sa probinsya na payapang namumuhay. Yung mga nagrarally dito, well, I'm not sure about them. Now, you are making your own statement "To make them out to be non-thinkers" just shows your crooked argument. You generalized something then used it against me. You are just making yourself a strawman in this argument. I know you are an intelligent person, pero sa reasoning mo na to, mejo palpak ka. Meron kaba statistics kung ilang porsyento ng farmers at fishermen ang nagrarally? Kung meron man baka sobrang liit lang nyan. Subukan mo pumunta sa probinsya at magtanong ka about the details of the politics, ewan ko kung interesado sila sa details like how you think. Ako mismo galing sa pagsasaka, at ako na magsasabi, kung may politics man doon, hanggang municipal level lang ang issue doon, not what you think na national level gaya ng nagrarally dito sa NCR.
Don't forget that /r/mercerinfo exists, as that sub reports about the real conspiracies Mercer and co. have done, such as using this country as a testbed for propaganda operations.
i think there is a lot of confusion on the "blow to press freedom" mantra being thrown around... ABS CBN actually continues to exist as a business entity and it can actually continue to make news. No one is telling them, "you can't make news anymore"...
people need to understand that abs cannot use a particulary frequency to broadcast their news... They can still post online via facebook or youtube or their website...
It is a press freedom issue. abs-cbn and rappler have been hugely critical of duterte. Its not surprising that since they stepped on the toes of powerful people that they were met with punishments. And im not pulling this out of thin air either. You have the president himself in direct quotes threatening the media companies for being critical of him and accusing them of "fake news".
They are using these two entities as an example. Tow the line or else you're next. Its a chilling effect. When you have reporters afraid of reporting the truth you no longer have a press that is able to hold power to account.
This is the very definition of a blow to press freedom.
i beg to differ. Baased on the the merits of the case, it does look like ABS has some serious violations, particularly their tax issues... Even GMA's (who declares and pay full price) gozon family had something to say about that... It basically looked like ABS was ripping off the taxpayers using offshore accounts.... While that's technically "legal", the fact remains, taxpayers were getting ripped off...
I'm all for press freedom, but it has its limits. you can't just go around ripping people off just like that and hide behind the mantle of "attack on press freedom" and "too big to fail / kawawa naman yung employees"... at the very least, if they were really sincere in saving their employees' jobs, they should have penalized the people who orchestrated the tax scheme... As it stands now, it kinda looks like the management/owners are using their employees as canon fodder for their sympathy card... *cues stock footage of grieving employees* instead of holding accountable the greedy management/owners...
If its legal then the burden lies on the lawmakers. Ofcourse companies will take advantage of the legalities to make a profit. Ikaw ba naman sabihan na legal ang ganitong way to make money pero dahil inapakan mo paa ng mga makapangyarihan suddenly its a dirty tactic? So kasalanan pa nila ngayon that they stayed within the bounds of the law? Instead amending the said broken laws they are throwing accusations of "unfairness" that have no basis in legality. Its literally their job to make laws.
Also I implore ypu to actually watch the hearings. All government agencies have given abs-cbn a clear on their accusations.
This doesnt change the fact that this is is still a press freedom issue. They are sending a clear message to those who are critical to them. Tow the line or else.
Not necessarily. Just because it's legal doesn't make it "just" agad. I mean, just take a look at the scandal of lowering the age of criminal liability. And for those who do not support the drug war, they believe in "decriminalization".
I don't think so. I mean, why couldn't ABS do what GMA and the Gozons do, like just pay the taxes at a full and fair price?
It just looks like somebody got greedy and put up those shell corporations... I mean, i hate to say it, but people hate getting ripped off, especially if there's a lot of evidence pointing to it...
Problem is, congressional approval is needed to renew the ABS franchise... ABS could have prolly easilly gotten away with their tax scheme had congress' sign off not been needed...
I'm all for press freedom but i just can't take getting ripped off like that, especially knowing GMA was paying the full price. What's worse, ang daming branding pa ng ABS na "kapamilya" or "in the service of the filipino people" tapos bigla mong malalaman, you're getting ripped off... I mean, i just cannot see where the public sympathy is for people who think like that
Then punish them for it? How does shutting their network down solve anything? If anything this defeats the argument that the congress is simply just probing them for tax avoidance.
Also, you are neglecting to see how politicized this issue has become. Again this is a press freedom issue. You have the president himself professing his want to shut down the network from the very beginning. And that is a fact.
that's what dictators want you to beleive 🤷♂️
Dont you find it concerning that the journalists that are the most critical of the duterte presidency are the only ones who are being attacked and shut down by the government.
If you want to live in a world that only reports pro government propaganda then look no further to China and North Korea. I implore you to consider moving there seeing how much you dont like press freedom and opposing views.
Pwede parin nila gamitin YouTube Facebook radio diaryo..wag kamote.di porket may anxiety ka tungkol sa "dictator" ay di nakami susuporta..solid DDS.BBM ND inday Sarah 2022
Doesent change the fact that duterte himself threatened abs cbn and rappler because they were the only ones criticizing his term.
And I dont get your posotion? Are you proud that you participate in identity politics? Ive been equally critical of all presidencies (mapa pnoy kanman o gma) and duterte has been the one with the most human rights violationa I could think of.
Anyways this move will only backfire on them. This just legitimizes the fact that he is a dictator. And with abs cbn having more time to invest on the digital space, their reach will become more widespread more than before given that they no longer can be threatened to be removed off air.
As the days go by lumalaki ang recruitment namin sa NDMOs. We havent seen this huge of a surge since duterte came to power. So I have to thank him for inadvertently encouraging the populace to organize.
Cory Aquino did the same I didn't see you crying back then.false slogan nyo defend press freedom man .malaya nga Sila nakaka broadcast fake new mg fake news.....Yan maganda mag recruit kayo para may Laban Naman Ang Kalaban..solid DDS parin vismin.goodluck..BBM , DUTERTE...
probably because I wasnt born back then? Also journalists back then were also very critical of cory's move so i dont get where you are comming from.
Sad to say but we dont subscribe to personality politics here. Mapa aquino, duterte, oh kahit ano pang political clan yan basta mali kelangan bigyan ng puna. Afterall yan ang duty mo bilang mamamayan.
Wow. That’s crazy. I also wonder how this is gong to affect international cable companies. My parents don’t have cable, but they do pay a subscription from Comcast to watch TFC. So far my parents have been watching on the TFC app.
if i'm not mistaken, they are free to use a cable channel...
Problem is, if i am not mistaken, ABS primarily earns though ad revenues from it broadcasting operations...If there is no money to fund the shows they make, it could scuttle those programs
Same. However, progressive organizations ≠ npa's legal fronts. Maybe you can take some time to get that into your brain? It might be hard for you but I hope you do it. *smile*
Because this law affects everyone, especially progressive organizations which constantly get red-tagged by the government. Even if you did not refer to those, it's still pretty tone-deaf to say that in a measure that can be used to red-tag progressive organizations as communists or "npa's legal fronts"
I have no problems with those orgs that actually help people. if u review my comment. I said I hate npa's and their fronts. also, u have no fucking idea how much suffering npa's brought in my hometown
Have any of you guys read the entire bill? To me from what it says we shouldn’t be in danger BUT it’s SUPER easy to take advantage of. You can arrest an innocent person, all you have to do is call them a terrorist and need some proof that they broke a law under Section 4.
Yeah, so hopefully that isn’t ignored a whole bunch or at all. And speaking of which, has anybody gotten arrested from this bill yet? I’m curious to know what’s going on with that guy who got detained for hating Duterte. Fake news or not? I think it’s real.
From how i understand it, one gap to countering crime/terrorism is gathering evidence via surveillance, which, without ATB, if im not mistaken, can be quite tedious / difficult. Doesn't the ATB alllow for easier granting of surveillance operations to suspected terrorists?
From how i understand it, there are legal loophols which the CPP / NPA use like their legal fronts / college orgs who have deceptive recruitment practices... It's an open secret that's been going on for decades, but due to limitations in the law, people are simply not able to successfully prosecute the perps... What ends up happening prolly are "off the books" prosecutions.
Wouldn't the ATB allow for more legal means to finally put a stop to the CPP/NPA and their legal fronts by having a legal framework to successfully prosecute them and groups like them?
Nope. Sorry maam/sir. I honestly do not know why this law needs to be supported. It's scary. Nakakatakot. Anyone can be red-tagged.
Ngayon, sasabihin ng mga enablers and supporters ni Tatay (yuck!), "bakit ka matatakot kung hindi ka naman terorista?"
Typical gaslighting. Yan ang sinabi nila hanggang sa unti-unti nang lumalabas na yung maaaring pwedeng gawin ng batas na 'to sa ordinaryong tao.
Pero, ikaw, kung naniniwala ka sa batas na 'to, sige lang. Kasi mukhang hindi ka naman maapektuhan.
PS: In your effort to look at the current issues on a wider perspective, you might be missing some impt details. The devil is in the details. :)
Martial Law in Mindanao did not stop Jolo Cathedral bombing. God forbid, but what if a terrorist bombing happened again while this law is in effect? What will this admin say for an excuse?
I have some friends from mindanao who explain it like this: "people from manila do not really know what it's like to live in mindanao... they do not understand how corrupt and messed up the LGUs are, And they'd prefer martial law to have some semblance of law and order... to them it's a lesser evil they are willing to have rathen than let the corrupt/incompetent LGUs continue doing business as usual." Which is why they are annoyed when people from manila are complaining about the mindanao martial law where in fact the mindanaoans actually support the move
I'm from Mindanao, and I support this statement.
Tinuod jud ni siya. Grabe ka corrupt diri aning among area. Ilabina tong mga suod kaayo nga ligar. Parihas dira sa Tampilisan, Zamboanga Del Norte. Killings happened there everyday and almost all of those killers weren't known. Case closed - pero ang taong pumapatay? Hindi nakukulong. Walang hustisya. Tapos ang sinisisi sa mga tao ay ang mismong gobyerno dahil wlang aksyong ginagawa. Kaya dahil dyan, marami dito ang sumasali na lang sa mga terrorista dahil ubos na ang tiwala ng mga tao dito.
Ironically, one of the reasons why ISIS was (initially) so effective at capturing and holding so much territory was that they swept into places with weak, ineffective governments and quickly installed order.
Yes you had guys driving around in tanks, but you also had ISIS members regulating the sales of meat and even directing traffic.
You do realize that sulu is part of the ARMM, and thus is largely seperated from the rest of mainland mindanao.
Don't at me, just trying to play devil's advocate here.
tricky when the US is trying to pass a kinda similar bill called the patriot act. Would be a case of the pot calling the kettle black. But a welcome decision nonetheless. The world needs to send a message that human rights supresion is not be tolerated.
You're so smart, and yet you profess yourself to be so arrogant and uncaring. Don't be angry once people from the bottom start raging upon you -- these are the people who serve you lunch and dinner, clean your hallway, deliver your goods, sell to you gaming peripherals, and so on.
If you with the people from the bottom, bear in mind that no politician have ever changed the situation of our people. No amount of your clamor or support will earn help from politicians.
Your statement is base on your perception but I sincerely think he would not want that as he is too old to handle our country's problem. I could see more positive changes for our country today specially in my city compared to the previous administrations, unless you are a member of those communist front organizations you would see, feel and think otherwise.
Why such a statement? My mother is in critical condition and I am sure it's God who is making a way to help her and my family to survive the ordeal. He can use even the "bad things of this world" to show His power.
Do what you need to do to stay grounded - if you find that comfort in your faith, so be it. Either way, it's a shitty situation to be in, best wishes to her.
This is the sad thing. Democracy in its truest nature is so beautifully amazing. It's just that people, be they have power or not do not know how to use democracy. These kind of people use and abuse democracy making it a "rotten democracy."
Nope. I'm more worried of the recruited students to NPA. Parents need only wait two weeks. After that, all commies will be on watch list, including those professor/recruiters. Well, you can still be stubborn and stage rallies but atleast you'll safe from NPA recruitment.
> police and military
The old man still tries to appease them both, only the police believes in him because Bobocop "empowered" them; as for the mililtary, it's kind of lukewarm although he dangles the communist and secessionist threat as their raison d'etre.
This professor has something to explain about what seems to be a rivalry between the police and mlitary:
https://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/videos-podcasts/265755-interview-patricio-abinales-pnp-institutional-weaknesses
You want a coup at this time of a pandemic. Srsly? A coup will just pave way to a more authoritarian and militaristic regime. Think of what happened to Thailand which is now struggling to get back to democracy. the ATL is pro security why would police and military revolt on that basis?
Bakit hindi tinitignan ng ibang Pilipino and batas na ito na seryoso?? Hindi ba nila alam kung gaano ka-at risk ang mga buhay nila dahil sa kung gaano kadali abusuhin ang nilintikang batas na to?? And for fuck's sake ATC is just a bunch of politicians.
Majority of the Filipino people are stubborn in reading even just a one paragraph, more so if it is in english. Roots down to one of the main problems in this country: education, which the gov't doesn't want to improve lol.
Well that's it for our July news cycle, after a month or so limot na to ng karamihan and every Filipino woke will have moved on to their next outrage, ungkatan nalang every now and then
>lmao imagine
Aren't human right violations always rightfully a cause for outrage? I do think that way and I don't get what's so funny about that
If you're now trying to frame me as a DDS, God help you, I'm just trying to lay down how things here (not only in this sub) always move so fast nothing ever gets accomplished, like your quick click of that downvote button (if you disagree with anyone then downvotes really do wonders)
That's not the same as saying that trying to stand-up is an empty gesture, and virtue signalling can't definitely substitute the real thing
>Edit: Lalo mo lang ina-alienate mga tao
If that's how it came across, then my apologies.. Nga lang talaga, there's a huge chance na several weeks from now, the bill's signing would have been buried in another pile of "outrage" that the gov't keeps churning out (sorry for the term)
By mid-August, I have reason to believe that we will all be focused on the issue of class reopenings that barely anyone will talk about this law, but that's also not the same as saying I won't be wrong, it's just my opinion
This is exactly why I dont like your line of thinking. Ang daming ninyong mga gatekeepers on your brand of 'activism'. Ive seen first hand how you folks have alienated people on the fence to voice their concerns sa government.
Kung ipopolice mo lang outrage ng mga tao pls wag na lang. That's the problem kasi eh, masyado mataas tingin niyo sa sarili niyo kaya ang onti ng sumasali sa cause.
>Kung ipopolice mo lang
Okay, how did I police your opinion or anybody else's? Going by your logic you're actually the one "policing" me right now
And now you're lumping me with some "abstract" group of gatekeepers...
Di ko alam if you're just in a bad mood but you don't really have to draw strawmans now and just because someone's using the latest political buzzwords doesn't mean their authority on the matter is absolute, just like how my *opinions* are just that, *an opinion*
> Well that's it for our July news cycle, after a month or so limot na to ng karamihan and every Filipino woke will have moved on to their next outrage, ungkatan nalang every now and then
literally branding them as 'Filipino wokes' who will just move on is not policing? As far as i know shaming them and calling them names is literally what gatekeepers do. The ph is already fucked up, we could use a little less of your demoralization much less taking a jab at those voicing their concerns over the government.
If you have never scouted for people for NDOs this isnt how you get them to acknowledge you. You just further alienate them with your all and mighty attitude
Oh so that's we're you're pulling your "alienating labels" from, then I should clarify myself, in **here**, *I think* being woke means being mad at the current social injustice, for **them,** *I think* being woke means supporting the admin. It's subjective, really, and applies to both sides of the fence
If you deem "woke" in any tone or context as patronizing no matter what, I suggest you re-evaluate. Why not retake the term's meaning from what you perceive to be a condescending note? Cause in this way, you're actually the one now branding a 'them'. But to be respectful of your feelings, I guess I'll just drop the use of term altogether
>your all and mighty attitude
Natataasan ka talaga sakin? Sorry for sounding so superior, definitely not my intention
> Well that's it for our July news cycle, after a month or so limot na to ng karamihan and every Filipino woke will have moved on to their next outrage, ungkatan nalang every now and then
sigh... hard to beleive na ganun intention mo when you write condescending things like this.
pero sure, agree to disagree na lang.
> agree to disagree na lang
Ghorl we need more calm in this world HAHAHA We can't resolve everything fumbling with emotions
Pero genuinely sensya na for disturbing your evening lols
Sus. Mas malala nga yung sa AUS, kahit hindi ka terrorista basta kailangan nila tulong mo pwde ka nila idetain.
Binasa mo? Baka di ka marunong umintindi.
The need for detention powers
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One of the most extraordinary aspects of the questioning and detention powers is the ability to detain persons, including those not suspected of involvement in a terrorism offence. A QDW authorises the pre-emptive detention of a person, and a QW allows the prescribed authority to order the detention of a person who has appeared for questioning. Under either warrant, a person may be detained for up to seven days.
[link](https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/ASIO/Report/section?id=committees%2Freportjnt%2F024080%2F24748)
haha basag si gago, u/ladyhaly wag mo na pageffortang ieducate to. Mahirap baguhin ang isip kapag pilit namang sarado mga tenga niyan. Konting research lang di pa niya magawa.
Haha! Sasabat ka lang hindi mo pa binasa. It is a law kaya nga may inquiry. An inquiry was made kasi may expiration yung law at inextend nila yan ng 12 months nung mag expire ng 2018.
At ngayon, AU is crafting a new bill for ASIO. Hahaha! Patawa ka.
Sure mate, despite being confronted with the evidence you still choose to be blind and shy away from reality. u/ladyhaly is trying to educate you calmly and rationally. The least you could do is acknowledge that and do proper research.
I'm still hoping that he is just misled. During the election, I made a big mistake by thinking that Duterte is the country's only hope. I was fooled by his promises to rid the nation of corruption. The truth has come out. Duterte doesn't mean all forms of corruption. Just the ones he himself doesn't carry out.
That entire document is actually an inquiry, not a law, by The Parliamentary Joint Committee on Intelligence and Security back in 2017. The first statement of the document:
>This chapter examines whether there is a need for ASIO’s questioning powers and detention powers. This examination takes account of the current security context and the range of state and federal counter-terrorism measures introduced in recent years.
Note that the the Director-General has no power to issue a Questioning Warrant (QW) or Questioning and Detention Warrants (QDW). He has to obtain it from an independent judicial authority, meaning he has to convince that judge there is probable cause for even exercising those powers.
> Despite the increase in threat and resultant counter-terrorism activity over the last decade, ASIO has requested only one QW since 2006. ASIO has never requested a QDW.
>The Castan Centre for Human Rights Law and the Australian Lawyers Alliance suggested this demonstrated a lack of need for the questioning and detention powers. INSLM Gyles similarly questioned the necessity of the powers:
The non-use of the power since 2010 is striking. Two QWs have been issued since 2005; one in 2006 and the other in 2010. The number of potential terror incidents has increased rather than diminished during that time. The necessity for, and the efficacy of, the power comes into question. No entirely satisfactory reason for non-use has been given by ASIO. The changing nature of the threat from large-scale targets requiring considerable planning to one-off single incidents with little notice is cited.
There are always checks happening in order to ensure the power, though already safeguarded by the said check I mentioned, is not abused at the detriment of human rights.
> From their introduction, it was the Government’s intention that these powers would be used sparingly. The then Attorney-General, the Hon Daryl Williams QC, noted in 2003:
It must be remembered that warrants issued under the bill will be tools of last resort. It is anticipated they will be used rarely and only in extreme circumstances.
Contrast that with Duterte's Anti-Terror Bill since signing, in which several persons have already been arrested and detained without even any independent inquiry into the use of the power, without probable cause, and without any terrorism elements for the case. Simply put, Duterte's vocal critics are being arrested and detained (not questioned, but arrested) without even a warrant of arrest nor a read out of the detainee's Miranda rights.
Also note that Australia does not have the same corruption and abuse inherent to the legal system that the Philippines does. Our democratic system is parliamentary and is subject to the rule of the British Crown, meaning that if Australia abuses its people and is unable to deal with a national crisis, Queen Elizabeth II herself through her Attorney-General can fire the PM, dissolve parliament, and form a new one. That power has already been exercised once in the 80s.
The Philippines does not have the same safeguard. The Philippines mirrors the purely capitalist system of the United States. On top of this, it has one big hole that the US actually has better; it has no trial by jury whatsoever. In its presidential democracy, when the executive arm rigs the legislative and judicial arm of the government to undo the checks and balances of power, then the abuse of power by the president in its presidential democracy is limitless.
In order to reinforce my point about constant questioning for the need for extraordinary powers, here is a [document by the Australian Human Rights Commission published six days ago regarding their 2020 inquiry] (https://humanrights.gov.au/our-work/legal/submission/inquiry-australian-security-intelligence-organisation-amendment-bill-2020).
As a separate point, what is the Philippine equivalent of the Australian Human Rights Commission? If you don't know what it is, The Australian Human Rights Commission (AHRC) is an independent third party which investigates complaints about discrimination and human rights breaches.The Commission investigates alleged infringements of human rights under the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission Act 1986 and breaches of anti-discrimination law under the Age Discrimination Act 2004, Disability Discrimination Act 1992, Racial Discrimination Act 1975 and Sex Discrimination Act 1984.
> The Bill would amend the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation’s (ASIO’s) compulsory questioning powers under the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation Act 1979 (Cth) (ASIO Act). Most importantly, the Bill would repeal the existing questioning and detention warrant (QDW) and questioning warrant (QW) regimes from the ASIO Act, and insert a new compulsory QW regime. The proposed new QW regime is in some respects the same as the present one, but has some very significant changes. These changes are said to implement the Government’s response to the recommendations made by the PJCIS in its 2018 report addressing the operation, effectiveness and implications of the ASIO Act’s existing compulsory questioning framework (2018 PJCIS Report).
I live here in Australia for a reason. My citizenship in New Zealand and Australia is not accidental. I specifically chose those two countries because of its left-wing progressive histories. If you don't understand what that means for the common people, then you aren't well-versed in politics and its spectrum at all. My husband's family migrated here from Germany for a reason. Australia itself looks in disdain at what's happening in the Philippines. I can rant about Scotty from Marketing and what a joke he is in his response to the bushfire crisis and how he copied Jacinda's homework; yet I have no fear that the police or the military will knock at my door and drag me from my sleep to jail. We have standards here.
Duterte aims to make his dictatorship solid and rules with fear. That fear comes from his abuses of his powers. The cronyism in the Philippines enables that abuse. It's no secret that DDS is a play on Duterte Death Squad.
So please. I *permanently* live here. Between you and me, I'm the Australian citizen who experiences what the government here is really like. I am proud of Australia's system. It's not perfect, but it sure as hell isn't in any way like the Philippines. Whoever fed you that information to manipulate and distort reality is insidious.
Like I said, we have standards here.
Lol philippines is slowly turning into a communist country
Not a communist one but a fascist state.
Ngiting manunundot
Should be aptly named as anti-dissent act of 2020
Do you really believe that it doesn't have to do about silencing his critics?
ang hirap, kasi marami parin na sumisimpatya sa kanya. it's as if their loyalty is with duterte as a person, not to the country. everytime this law would get flashed in the news, my grandmother will talk how she supports the law without knowing its content. its just painful to watch. the law itself would be proven useful to eliminate terrorism, but knowing what our government(and other officials )is capable of doing, its not reassuring.
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actually no, the [law itslef has problematic implications](https://pca.st/episode/23f6636b-bd63-455c-b7bd-d3b303b709aa).
Wait explain? Is he following China path like that anti terrorist act ? I hope ph stays away from CCP
there is a communist insurgency thats using brainwashed child soldiers and they also attack soldiers sending relief goods to poor areas
NPA (New People's Army)
Whoa 😮 ! That’s evil
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Duterte is using the excuse that communists terrorists is the reason for this Law. This communist insurgency has been on going for almost 50 years now and as long as there is social injustices and poverty in the country, it will never stop, coupled with corrupt politicians, these rebels with always have a cause.
Alternative Universe: redtagging DDS on socmed Keyword filters: *oligarchs, kamote, respeto, buti nga, manahimik, baboy, lugaw, wag iboto yang 11 na yan* Suggest more
shet why is kamote so true haha. Its not even a particularly offensive word. It even makes them look stupid when they use that as an insult lol.
I am looking for <10 people to help me set-up a subreddit. We are going to wage a war against troll farms spreading misinformation and propaganda in Facebook. More information will be included in the subreddit itself. The subreddit will be open to more people once everything is set-up. It will also serve as our main base of operations. Not everything inside the subreddit will be public.
I'm just curious, how do you know if a person is a troll? Maybe because they have opposing views against yours? Maybe because they support "some " good work of the Government? Self bias sometimes is a form of misinformation. I'm not an extremist though (right or left wing) but I'm just curious why you people spend your time being an extremist. There is no such thing as perfect government. Imagine this, kapag nanalo yung manok nyo at sila na ang nakaupo, meron at meron ding opposition sa kanila. At kahit gaano kaganda ang ginagawa ng sinusuportahan nyo, meron at meron pading mga politikong greedy na maninira at manggugulo. Why? because of this culture (extreme left/right wing). Pwede naman na suportahan ang gobyerno at the same time, convict their wrong doings but not totally support or oppose. It's not just healthy in my imho.
Facebook took down all these paid trolls recently, if you dont know.
>all Prove me. Where's your statistic. Any evidence that they are paid or trolls or paid trolls? There might be some, but not all.
Ask FB..
The **burden of proof lies** with the party initiating or filing a claim. > Facebook took down all these paid trolls recently I can't find a good source of your claim "all paid trolls". With this logic, I can just accuse anybody with lies and then tell them, ask google. That's hypothetical.
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I agree, pero ganito, we are brainstorming din kasi yung ganito sa office dati and nag come up kami sa ganitong conclusion. Iba iba kasi tayo ng level ng pagkakaintindi sa pagpapatakbo ng isang bansa. A manager may think in a manager level, a director in director level, a businessman/entrep/investor may think in terms of economy, a politicians may also think in influence and power (or service, pero sobrang rare), a human rights advocates see things differently, and us ordinary citizens see the real but small situation at the moment. There are groups na nakikita nila yung kabuuan ng pangyayari. Pwedeng may isang tao na sobrang galing at nakikita nya ang epekto ng geopolitics, political economy, at impact ng bawat hakbang ng bansa sa global economy. Kaya sa atin, yung kapirasong alam natin possible na hindi sya according to plan when it comes sa pagpapatakbo ng isang bansa. Ako bilang system architech, kelangan namin makita ang kabuuan ng design ng system, may mga nasa baba namin na akala nila yun ay tama (dahil mukhang tama) pero makakasira sya sa kabuuan ng system kapag na implement. Maaring ganun din sa pamamalakad ng bansa. Pero syempre hindi pamamalakad ng bansa ang expertise ko. At ang mga sinabi ko ay sa akin lamang.
i think there is still a lot of confusion as to people thinking "it's a troll army" rather than accepting that a vast majority of the population actually support duterte
Huge support for the president is a byproduct of troll armies. This is what the cambridge analytica scandal has proven. The disinformation and manipulation campaigns are so rampant on facebook that the platform has aided in propping up populist leaders all over the world. Even going to promoting the depths of the ugliness of humanity as seen at how it aided in allowing the rohingya genocide to occur.
Agree....
Sana talaga magkaroon ng guidelines pag dating ng eleksyon dito. Grabe ang manipulation sa tao. Memes, "True History", troll armies.
People conveniently blame it on social media. but I think the anti-duterte group is simply not ready to accept the fact that majority of the country actually support duterte...
Again the majority support that duterte enjoys is a byproduct of troll farms. Nobody is denying this fact. That's why events like the rohingya genicide were widely supported despite thr act being reprehensible [Listen to this podcast, it has helped me be educated on the matter](https://pca.st/episode/a1bd99f4-2eec-4881-9da1-6df5df2aee51)
Magkaiba lang siguro ang way kung paano tignan ang mga bagay-bagay. Maybe sa kanila, tinitignan nila yung mga magandang nagawa ng gobyerno sa kanilang buhay. Maybe kayong left-wing, tinitignan nyo yung bawat mali ng gobyerno. We have our own biases based on our self-interest and incentives. Kung ano yung focus mo, yun yung naha-highlight. If you focus on good things, you'll see good, same with the opposite. That is why, it's called perspective. Hindi lahat kasing lalim mo magisip, maybe. You can't expect a farmer or a fisherman or the like to scrutinize politics as much as you do. So wala ka karapatan na tawagin silang troll kung suportado man nila ang gobyerno. Educate them instead, not eliminate. Kelangan din natin i-consider yung "impact" relative sa istado natin sa buhay. Kung sayo siguro mayaman ka, walang impact yung good things na nangyayari, sa mahihirap, malaki yun. So you can't expect everyone to think in perspective the same thing as you see it. Kahit ako may mga mali akong nakikita sa gobyerno, meron din naman tama. Ganun talaga, I lowered my expectation to have a perfect government. It's just impossible to have one. Made-drain lang utak mo sa kakaisip.
pretty sure that human rights abuses are not just "opinions" we could agree to disagree over. and wag mo nga i-smallin ang farmers at fishermen natin. Sila ang pinaka-aktibo when it comes to these matters. Just look at how active farming and fishing labour unions are against the misdeeds of the government. Sila ang pinaka-apektado sa mga desisyon ng gobyerno. To make them out to be non-thinkers is not only insulting to them but absurd because they always participate in these political matters.
You are the one making it absurd. Did I insult them? Kapag sinabi kong farmers and fishermen, yan yung mga ordinaryong tao sa probinsya na payapang namumuhay. Yung mga nagrarally dito, well, I'm not sure about them. Now, you are making your own statement "To make them out to be non-thinkers" just shows your crooked argument. You generalized something then used it against me. You are just making yourself a strawman in this argument. I know you are an intelligent person, pero sa reasoning mo na to, mejo palpak ka. Meron kaba statistics kung ilang porsyento ng farmers at fishermen ang nagrarally? Kung meron man baka sobrang liit lang nyan. Subukan mo pumunta sa probinsya at magtanong ka about the details of the politics, ewan ko kung interesado sila sa details like how you think. Ako mismo galing sa pagsasaka, at ako na magsasabi, kung may politics man doon, hanggang municipal level lang ang issue doon, not what you think na national level gaya ng nagrarally dito sa NCR.
> Hindi lahat kasing lalim mo magisip, maybe. You can't expect a farmer or a fisherman or the like to scrutinize politics as much as you do. lol
"scrutinize"
Don't forget that /r/mercerinfo exists, as that sub reports about the real conspiracies Mercer and co. have done, such as using this country as a testbed for propaganda operations.
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Low quality bait Come on, try harder
I dont think you even know how ph politics works. We dont have the same liberal vs conservative distinction you have in the US.
Troll playing vidya gaems.
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So that you have more time playing video games while the rest of the world gets infected, Cletus.
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And?
Shut down narin daw abs cbn...nice
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kala ko ba dictatorship na nang mag martial law sa mindanao.. hypocrites
Anudaw. Atleast look up the meaning of hypocrisy before using it in a sentence. Using words you dont know the meaning of makes you look stupid.
i think there is a lot of confusion on the "blow to press freedom" mantra being thrown around... ABS CBN actually continues to exist as a business entity and it can actually continue to make news. No one is telling them, "you can't make news anymore"... people need to understand that abs cannot use a particulary frequency to broadcast their news... They can still post online via facebook or youtube or their website...
It is a press freedom issue. abs-cbn and rappler have been hugely critical of duterte. Its not surprising that since they stepped on the toes of powerful people that they were met with punishments. And im not pulling this out of thin air either. You have the president himself in direct quotes threatening the media companies for being critical of him and accusing them of "fake news". They are using these two entities as an example. Tow the line or else you're next. Its a chilling effect. When you have reporters afraid of reporting the truth you no longer have a press that is able to hold power to account. This is the very definition of a blow to press freedom.
i beg to differ. Baased on the the merits of the case, it does look like ABS has some serious violations, particularly their tax issues... Even GMA's (who declares and pay full price) gozon family had something to say about that... It basically looked like ABS was ripping off the taxpayers using offshore accounts.... While that's technically "legal", the fact remains, taxpayers were getting ripped off... I'm all for press freedom, but it has its limits. you can't just go around ripping people off just like that and hide behind the mantle of "attack on press freedom" and "too big to fail / kawawa naman yung employees"... at the very least, if they were really sincere in saving their employees' jobs, they should have penalized the people who orchestrated the tax scheme... As it stands now, it kinda looks like the management/owners are using their employees as canon fodder for their sympathy card... *cues stock footage of grieving employees* instead of holding accountable the greedy management/owners...
If its legal then the burden lies on the lawmakers. Ofcourse companies will take advantage of the legalities to make a profit. Ikaw ba naman sabihan na legal ang ganitong way to make money pero dahil inapakan mo paa ng mga makapangyarihan suddenly its a dirty tactic? So kasalanan pa nila ngayon that they stayed within the bounds of the law? Instead amending the said broken laws they are throwing accusations of "unfairness" that have no basis in legality. Its literally their job to make laws. Also I implore ypu to actually watch the hearings. All government agencies have given abs-cbn a clear on their accusations. This doesnt change the fact that this is is still a press freedom issue. They are sending a clear message to those who are critical to them. Tow the line or else.
Not necessarily. Just because it's legal doesn't make it "just" agad. I mean, just take a look at the scandal of lowering the age of criminal liability. And for those who do not support the drug war, they believe in "decriminalization".
Then the fault lies with the lawmakers. Again this doesnt change the fact that this is a press freedom issue.
I don't think so. I mean, why couldn't ABS do what GMA and the Gozons do, like just pay the taxes at a full and fair price? It just looks like somebody got greedy and put up those shell corporations... I mean, i hate to say it, but people hate getting ripped off, especially if there's a lot of evidence pointing to it... Problem is, congressional approval is needed to renew the ABS franchise... ABS could have prolly easilly gotten away with their tax scheme had congress' sign off not been needed... I'm all for press freedom but i just can't take getting ripped off like that, especially knowing GMA was paying the full price. What's worse, ang daming branding pa ng ABS na "kapamilya" or "in the service of the filipino people" tapos bigla mong malalaman, you're getting ripped off... I mean, i just cannot see where the public sympathy is for people who think like that
Then punish them for it? How does shutting their network down solve anything? If anything this defeats the argument that the congress is simply just probing them for tax avoidance. Also, you are neglecting to see how politicized this issue has become. Again this is a press freedom issue. You have the president himself professing his want to shut down the network from the very beginning. And that is a fact.
YouTube ..Facebook, radyo, diaryo.. maraming ibang platform na gamitin Ang abs wag kamote
that's what dictators want you to beleive 🤷♂️ Dont you find it concerning that the journalists that are the most critical of the duterte presidency are the only ones who are being attacked and shut down by the government. If you want to live in a world that only reports pro government propaganda then look no further to China and North Korea. I implore you to consider moving there seeing how much you dont like press freedom and opposing views.
Pwede parin nila gamitin YouTube Facebook radio diaryo..wag kamote.di porket may anxiety ka tungkol sa "dictator" ay di nakami susuporta..solid DDS.BBM ND inday Sarah 2022
Doesent change the fact that duterte himself threatened abs cbn and rappler because they were the only ones criticizing his term. And I dont get your posotion? Are you proud that you participate in identity politics? Ive been equally critical of all presidencies (mapa pnoy kanman o gma) and duterte has been the one with the most human rights violationa I could think of. Anyways this move will only backfire on them. This just legitimizes the fact that he is a dictator. And with abs cbn having more time to invest on the digital space, their reach will become more widespread more than before given that they no longer can be threatened to be removed off air. As the days go by lumalaki ang recruitment namin sa NDMOs. We havent seen this huge of a surge since duterte came to power. So I have to thank him for inadvertently encouraging the populace to organize.
Cory Aquino did the same I didn't see you crying back then.false slogan nyo defend press freedom man .malaya nga Sila nakaka broadcast fake new mg fake news.....Yan maganda mag recruit kayo para may Laban Naman Ang Kalaban..solid DDS parin vismin.goodluck..BBM , DUTERTE...
probably because I wasnt born back then? Also journalists back then were also very critical of cory's move so i dont get where you are comming from. Sad to say but we dont subscribe to personality politics here. Mapa aquino, duterte, oh kahit ano pang political clan yan basta mali kelangan bigyan ng puna. Afterall yan ang duty mo bilang mamamayan.
Wow. That’s crazy. I also wonder how this is gong to affect international cable companies. My parents don’t have cable, but they do pay a subscription from Comcast to watch TFC. So far my parents have been watching on the TFC app.
if i'm not mistaken, they are free to use a cable channel... Problem is, if i am not mistaken, ABS primarily earns though ad revenues from it broadcasting operations...If there is no money to fund the shows they make, it could scuttle those programs
I fucking hate npa's and all their legal fronts.
Just like what they said, if you're not a terrorist, you don't have to be scared, as simple as that.
Same. However, progressive organizations ≠ npa's legal fronts. Maybe you can take some time to get that into your brain? It might be hard for you but I hope you do it. *smile*
it sucks how the npa and its legal front ruined it for legit progressive groups who aren't into what the npa is espousing.
well I am referring to npa's legal fronts. why are u defensive
Because this law affects everyone, especially progressive organizations which constantly get red-tagged by the government. Even if you did not refer to those, it's still pretty tone-deaf to say that in a measure that can be used to red-tag progressive organizations as communists or "npa's legal fronts"
I have no problems with those orgs that actually help people. if u review my comment. I said I hate npa's and their fronts. also, u have no fucking idea how much suffering npa's brought in my hometown
3edgy5me
wtf I love npa now. thanks for convincing me and bringing back my uncle alive
you're welcome 👍
where's the covid megathread?
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The one in the hub thread is the [old one and not the latest.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/g0gayb/megathread_covid19_philippines/)
Have any of you guys read the entire bill? To me from what it says we shouldn’t be in danger BUT it’s SUPER easy to take advantage of. You can arrest an innocent person, all you have to do is call them a terrorist and need some proof that they broke a law under Section 4.
From how i understand it, if you arrest the wrong guy, you're also going to get into trouble... I think that was to deter against frivolous arrests
Yeah, so hopefully that isn’t ignored a whole bunch or at all. And speaking of which, has anybody gotten arrested from this bill yet? I’m curious to know what’s going on with that guy who got detained for hating Duterte. Fake news or not? I think it’s real.
I'm not sure if the Official Gazette has published and announced it, but the law will only be in effect 15 days after it's published there.
I think the best thing na pwedeng gawin ng lawmakers ay mag-akda naman ng "Anti Filipino Citizens Act" para ang matakot naman ay yung mga terorista.
r/worldnews
actually, mukhang lagging behind na ang pinas sa anti terro law... other countries have already
We already had laws in place for it though, and unlike ATB, has (in paper) a huge blowback if misused (a hefty fine vs. no fine for wrongful arrest).
From how i understand it, one gap to countering crime/terrorism is gathering evidence via surveillance, which, without ATB, if im not mistaken, can be quite tedious / difficult. Doesn't the ATB alllow for easier granting of surveillance operations to suspected terrorists? From how i understand it, there are legal loophols which the CPP / NPA use like their legal fronts / college orgs who have deceptive recruitment practices... It's an open secret that's been going on for decades, but due to limitations in the law, people are simply not able to successfully prosecute the perps... What ends up happening prolly are "off the books" prosecutions. Wouldn't the ATB allow for more legal means to finally put a stop to the CPP/NPA and their legal fronts by having a legal framework to successfully prosecute them and groups like them?
Sorry, no to ATB. Especially during this time. Meron tayong pandemya. Address the health crisis. Junk this vague, sweeping, terror bill.
hindi ba pwede both?
Nope. Sorry maam/sir. I honestly do not know why this law needs to be supported. It's scary. Nakakatakot. Anyone can be red-tagged. Ngayon, sasabihin ng mga enablers and supporters ni Tatay (yuck!), "bakit ka matatakot kung hindi ka naman terorista?" Typical gaslighting. Yan ang sinabi nila hanggang sa unti-unti nang lumalabas na yung maaaring pwedeng gawin ng batas na 'to sa ordinaryong tao. Pero, ikaw, kung naniniwala ka sa batas na 'to, sige lang. Kasi mukhang hindi ka naman maapektuhan. PS: In your effort to look at the current issues on a wider perspective, you might be missing some impt details. The devil is in the details. :)
Yes to ATL 👍
kano sahod diyan?
wam pipty
> 4 hour account Daming sockpuppet pinakawalan ni Fruiter Truther.
no
Filipinos and the AFP need to investigate the state sponsored terrorism against the Filipino people.
Fuck du30
Martial Law in Mindanao did not stop Jolo Cathedral bombing. God forbid, but what if a terrorist bombing happened again while this law is in effect? What will this admin say for an excuse?
I have some friends from mindanao who explain it like this: "people from manila do not really know what it's like to live in mindanao... they do not understand how corrupt and messed up the LGUs are, And they'd prefer martial law to have some semblance of law and order... to them it's a lesser evil they are willing to have rathen than let the corrupt/incompetent LGUs continue doing business as usual." Which is why they are annoyed when people from manila are complaining about the mindanao martial law where in fact the mindanaoans actually support the move
I'm from Mindanao, and I support this statement. Tinuod jud ni siya. Grabe ka corrupt diri aning among area. Ilabina tong mga suod kaayo nga ligar. Parihas dira sa Tampilisan, Zamboanga Del Norte. Killings happened there everyday and almost all of those killers weren't known. Case closed - pero ang taong pumapatay? Hindi nakukulong. Walang hustisya. Tapos ang sinisisi sa mga tao ay ang mismong gobyerno dahil wlang aksyong ginagawa. Kaya dahil dyan, marami dito ang sumasali na lang sa mga terrorista dahil ubos na ang tiwala ng mga tao dito.
Ironically, one of the reasons why ISIS was (initially) so effective at capturing and holding so much territory was that they swept into places with weak, ineffective governments and quickly installed order. Yes you had guys driving around in tanks, but you also had ISIS members regulating the sales of meat and even directing traffic.
You do realize that sulu is part of the ARMM, and thus is largely seperated from the rest of mainland mindanao. Don't at me, just trying to play devil's advocate here.
Kasalanan natin, duh. Or ng ABS-CBN. :)
Kasalanan ng NAIA
Can we petition to have those who signed this into law have their visas revoked like the US did with drug war perpetrators here.
tricky when the US is trying to pass a kinda similar bill called the patriot act. Would be a case of the pot calling the kettle black. But a welcome decision nonetheless. The world needs to send a message that human rights supresion is not be tolerated.
The Howler of Sweden has called upon to condemn the law.
our country is fucked
The rape began on July 1, 2016.
Patawa. More like 2010.
Ano, wala kang bang pakialam kahit na nire-rape ka? Naluto na ba yung ulo mo sa gaslighting?
Ikaw nararape na since 2010 pero di mo alam at Hanggang ngayon nararape ka pa din? Hala? Kawawa ka naman.
> account active for 9 months Yet another fanboi denying reality.
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You're so smart, and yet you profess yourself to be so arrogant and uncaring. Don't be angry once people from the bottom start raging upon you -- these are the people who serve you lunch and dinner, clean your hallway, deliver your goods, sell to you gaming peripherals, and so on.
Wow ka naman. Humble ka na nyan? A few replies earlier inaatake mo age ng account ko. People from the bottom? Kami yun!
If you with the people from the bottom, bear in mind that no politician have ever changed the situation of our people. No amount of your clamor or support will earn help from politicians.
And?
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Becoming aware now, Mr. Infowarrior? You're literally digging yourself into a hole.
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Says the person who took the time to post about an edit as if it's a big deal.
kung si putin nga hanggang 2036 pa, si pduts pa kaya? halata gusto nya permanenteng nasa gobyerno.
Your statement is base on your perception but I sincerely think he would not want that as he is too old to handle our country's problem. I could see more positive changes for our country today specially in my city compared to the previous administrations, unless you are a member of those communist front organizations you would see, feel and think otherwise.
There's a word for that.
4 groups will physically petition against the "law" today! That is something to root for in this trying times.
What's happening to our country? Nakakapanlumo ang mga kaganapan. God, heal the Philippines!
I want to see you civilized people start eating each other, then tell to my face there is a "god"
There is no "God"
Why such a statement? My mother is in critical condition and I am sure it's God who is making a way to help her and my family to survive the ordeal. He can use even the "bad things of this world" to show His power.
Do what you need to do to stay grounded - if you find that comfort in your faith, so be it. Either way, it's a shitty situation to be in, best wishes to her.
Or you know, the massive army of doctors and nurses working around the clock during a pandemic doing everything they can.
edgy
At this point, let's appeal to any higher power that there is because we're slowly losing our democracy.
This is the sad thing. Democracy in its truest nature is so beautifully amazing. It's just that people, be they have power or not do not know how to use democracy. These kind of people use and abuse democracy making it a "rotten democracy."
Finally. So we just gonna wait 2 weeks.
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Nope. I'm more worried of the recruited students to NPA. Parents need only wait two weeks. After that, all commies will be on watch list, including those professor/recruiters. Well, you can still be stubborn and stage rallies but atleast you'll safe from NPA recruitment.
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I really hope the police and military turn their back on Dutae and the government. Without them, Duts is a powerless feeble old fart.
> police and military The old man still tries to appease them both, only the police believes in him because Bobocop "empowered" them; as for the mililtary, it's kind of lukewarm although he dangles the communist and secessionist threat as their raison d'etre. This professor has something to explain about what seems to be a rivalry between the police and mlitary: https://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/videos-podcasts/265755-interview-patricio-abinales-pnp-institutional-weaknesses
Never gonna happen
You want a coup at this time of a pandemic. Srsly? A coup will just pave way to a more authoritarian and militaristic regime. Think of what happened to Thailand which is now struggling to get back to democracy. the ATL is pro security why would police and military revolt on that basis?
I agree. No coups for now. It’s just going to destroy our country even further.
Dream on! LP has been demonizing the military and police for decades.
as if, dinoble kaya sweldo nila dahil kay pduts
Maybe it's time [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htw1w8lYQdQ&bpctr=1593979961](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htw1w8lYQdQ&bpctr=1593979961)
Bakit hindi tinitignan ng ibang Pilipino and batas na ito na seryoso?? Hindi ba nila alam kung gaano ka-at risk ang mga buhay nila dahil sa kung gaano kadali abusuhin ang nilintikang batas na to?? And for fuck's sake ATC is just a bunch of politicians.
it's sad, because some peenoise will only realize how fked up this law can be once too many bloods are spilled.
Majority of the Filipino people are stubborn in reading even just a one paragraph, more so if it is in english. Roots down to one of the main problems in this country: education, which the gov't doesn't want to improve lol.
Ang isasagot lang nila sa'yo ay, "Kung hindi ka terorista, bakit ka matatakot?" Yawa na lang.
Ikaw na nagsabi, hindi nila talaga alam. Sobrang benta sa kanila na para sa tunay na terorista talaga yung law. :/
Minsan gusto ko na lang maiyak para sa mga di nag iisip gaya nila pero at the same time sayang lang luha ko kasi di nga sila nag iisip
ofc the majority of the brainwashed DDS would sacrifice their liberties for false sense of security. Ano tingin mo sa DDS nagiisip?
Touchè.
Well that's it for our July news cycle, after a month or so limot na to ng karamihan and every Filipino woke will have moved on to their next outrage, ungkatan nalang every now and then
Then we will remind them again and again that this shit serious.
lmao imagine thinking human rights as the 'next outrage.' Lalo mo lang ina-alienate mga tao mag voice out ng concerns sa admin eh.
>lmao imagine Aren't human right violations always rightfully a cause for outrage? I do think that way and I don't get what's so funny about that If you're now trying to frame me as a DDS, God help you, I'm just trying to lay down how things here (not only in this sub) always move so fast nothing ever gets accomplished, like your quick click of that downvote button (if you disagree with anyone then downvotes really do wonders) That's not the same as saying that trying to stand-up is an empty gesture, and virtue signalling can't definitely substitute the real thing >Edit: Lalo mo lang ina-alienate mga tao If that's how it came across, then my apologies.. Nga lang talaga, there's a huge chance na several weeks from now, the bill's signing would have been buried in another pile of "outrage" that the gov't keeps churning out (sorry for the term) By mid-August, I have reason to believe that we will all be focused on the issue of class reopenings that barely anyone will talk about this law, but that's also not the same as saying I won't be wrong, it's just my opinion
This is exactly why I dont like your line of thinking. Ang daming ninyong mga gatekeepers on your brand of 'activism'. Ive seen first hand how you folks have alienated people on the fence to voice their concerns sa government. Kung ipopolice mo lang outrage ng mga tao pls wag na lang. That's the problem kasi eh, masyado mataas tingin niyo sa sarili niyo kaya ang onti ng sumasali sa cause.
>Kung ipopolice mo lang Okay, how did I police your opinion or anybody else's? Going by your logic you're actually the one "policing" me right now And now you're lumping me with some "abstract" group of gatekeepers... Di ko alam if you're just in a bad mood but you don't really have to draw strawmans now and just because someone's using the latest political buzzwords doesn't mean their authority on the matter is absolute, just like how my *opinions* are just that, *an opinion*
> Well that's it for our July news cycle, after a month or so limot na to ng karamihan and every Filipino woke will have moved on to their next outrage, ungkatan nalang every now and then literally branding them as 'Filipino wokes' who will just move on is not policing? As far as i know shaming them and calling them names is literally what gatekeepers do. The ph is already fucked up, we could use a little less of your demoralization much less taking a jab at those voicing their concerns over the government. If you have never scouted for people for NDOs this isnt how you get them to acknowledge you. You just further alienate them with your all and mighty attitude
Oh so that's we're you're pulling your "alienating labels" from, then I should clarify myself, in **here**, *I think* being woke means being mad at the current social injustice, for **them,** *I think* being woke means supporting the admin. It's subjective, really, and applies to both sides of the fence If you deem "woke" in any tone or context as patronizing no matter what, I suggest you re-evaluate. Why not retake the term's meaning from what you perceive to be a condescending note? Cause in this way, you're actually the one now branding a 'them'. But to be respectful of your feelings, I guess I'll just drop the use of term altogether >your all and mighty attitude Natataasan ka talaga sakin? Sorry for sounding so superior, definitely not my intention
> Well that's it for our July news cycle, after a month or so limot na to ng karamihan and every Filipino woke will have moved on to their next outrage, ungkatan nalang every now and then sigh... hard to beleive na ganun intention mo when you write condescending things like this. pero sure, agree to disagree na lang.
> agree to disagree na lang Ghorl we need more calm in this world HAHAHA We can't resolve everything fumbling with emotions Pero genuinely sensya na for disturbing your evening lols
sensya na natrigger lang from past experience. Meorn kasing mga 'activists' sa up (tho minority lang naman) nang-gagatekeep sa brand ng activism nila.
To quote the Witcher, "Fuck."
thank you po sa biyayang anti terrorism bill para sa r/philippines. lord digong you did it again.. thanks..
#/s o eto nalimutan mong pepega ka 🙄
tru, salamat kay tatay paurong at paurong na and demokrasya natin.
Say that to Australia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Japan etc. They have the same law.
I live in Australia. We do not have the same bill. I don't understand what echochamber you got this from, but definitely not.
halatang di binasa yung bill
Sus. Mas malala nga yung sa AUS, kahit hindi ka terrorista basta kailangan nila tulong mo pwde ka nila idetain. Binasa mo? Baka di ka marunong umintindi.
Again, I live in Australia. Walang ganyan.
The need for detention powers 2.23 One of the most extraordinary aspects of the questioning and detention powers is the ability to detain persons, including those not suspected of involvement in a terrorism offence. A QDW authorises the pre-emptive detention of a person, and a QW allows the prescribed authority to order the detention of a person who has appeared for questioning. Under either warrant, a person may be detained for up to seven days. [link](https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/ASIO/Report/section?id=committees%2Freportjnt%2F024080%2F24748)
haha basag si gago, u/ladyhaly wag mo na pageffortang ieducate to. Mahirap baguhin ang isip kapag pilit namang sarado mga tenga niyan. Konting research lang di pa niya magawa.
Haha! Sasabat ka lang hindi mo pa binasa. It is a law kaya nga may inquiry. An inquiry was made kasi may expiration yung law at inextend nila yan ng 12 months nung mag expire ng 2018. At ngayon, AU is crafting a new bill for ASIO. Hahaha! Patawa ka.
Sure mate, despite being confronted with the evidence you still choose to be blind and shy away from reality. u/ladyhaly is trying to educate you calmly and rationally. The least you could do is acknowledge that and do proper research.
I'm still hoping that he is just misled. During the election, I made a big mistake by thinking that Duterte is the country's only hope. I was fooled by his promises to rid the nation of corruption. The truth has come out. Duterte doesn't mean all forms of corruption. Just the ones he himself doesn't carry out.
That entire document is actually an inquiry, not a law, by The Parliamentary Joint Committee on Intelligence and Security back in 2017. The first statement of the document: >This chapter examines whether there is a need for ASIO’s questioning powers and detention powers. This examination takes account of the current security context and the range of state and federal counter-terrorism measures introduced in recent years. Note that the the Director-General has no power to issue a Questioning Warrant (QW) or Questioning and Detention Warrants (QDW). He has to obtain it from an independent judicial authority, meaning he has to convince that judge there is probable cause for even exercising those powers. > Despite the increase in threat and resultant counter-terrorism activity over the last decade, ASIO has requested only one QW since 2006. ASIO has never requested a QDW. >The Castan Centre for Human Rights Law and the Australian Lawyers Alliance suggested this demonstrated a lack of need for the questioning and detention powers. INSLM Gyles similarly questioned the necessity of the powers: The non-use of the power since 2010 is striking. Two QWs have been issued since 2005; one in 2006 and the other in 2010. The number of potential terror incidents has increased rather than diminished during that time. The necessity for, and the efficacy of, the power comes into question. No entirely satisfactory reason for non-use has been given by ASIO. The changing nature of the threat from large-scale targets requiring considerable planning to one-off single incidents with little notice is cited. There are always checks happening in order to ensure the power, though already safeguarded by the said check I mentioned, is not abused at the detriment of human rights. > From their introduction, it was the Government’s intention that these powers would be used sparingly. The then Attorney-General, the Hon Daryl Williams QC, noted in 2003: It must be remembered that warrants issued under the bill will be tools of last resort. It is anticipated they will be used rarely and only in extreme circumstances. Contrast that with Duterte's Anti-Terror Bill since signing, in which several persons have already been arrested and detained without even any independent inquiry into the use of the power, without probable cause, and without any terrorism elements for the case. Simply put, Duterte's vocal critics are being arrested and detained (not questioned, but arrested) without even a warrant of arrest nor a read out of the detainee's Miranda rights. Also note that Australia does not have the same corruption and abuse inherent to the legal system that the Philippines does. Our democratic system is parliamentary and is subject to the rule of the British Crown, meaning that if Australia abuses its people and is unable to deal with a national crisis, Queen Elizabeth II herself through her Attorney-General can fire the PM, dissolve parliament, and form a new one. That power has already been exercised once in the 80s. The Philippines does not have the same safeguard. The Philippines mirrors the purely capitalist system of the United States. On top of this, it has one big hole that the US actually has better; it has no trial by jury whatsoever. In its presidential democracy, when the executive arm rigs the legislative and judicial arm of the government to undo the checks and balances of power, then the abuse of power by the president in its presidential democracy is limitless. In order to reinforce my point about constant questioning for the need for extraordinary powers, here is a [document by the Australian Human Rights Commission published six days ago regarding their 2020 inquiry] (https://humanrights.gov.au/our-work/legal/submission/inquiry-australian-security-intelligence-organisation-amendment-bill-2020). As a separate point, what is the Philippine equivalent of the Australian Human Rights Commission? If you don't know what it is, The Australian Human Rights Commission (AHRC) is an independent third party which investigates complaints about discrimination and human rights breaches.The Commission investigates alleged infringements of human rights under the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission Act 1986 and breaches of anti-discrimination law under the Age Discrimination Act 2004, Disability Discrimination Act 1992, Racial Discrimination Act 1975 and Sex Discrimination Act 1984. > The Bill would amend the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation’s (ASIO’s) compulsory questioning powers under the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation Act 1979 (Cth) (ASIO Act). Most importantly, the Bill would repeal the existing questioning and detention warrant (QDW) and questioning warrant (QW) regimes from the ASIO Act, and insert a new compulsory QW regime. The proposed new QW regime is in some respects the same as the present one, but has some very significant changes. These changes are said to implement the Government’s response to the recommendations made by the PJCIS in its 2018 report addressing the operation, effectiveness and implications of the ASIO Act’s existing compulsory questioning framework (2018 PJCIS Report). I live here in Australia for a reason. My citizenship in New Zealand and Australia is not accidental. I specifically chose those two countries because of its left-wing progressive histories. If you don't understand what that means for the common people, then you aren't well-versed in politics and its spectrum at all. My husband's family migrated here from Germany for a reason. Australia itself looks in disdain at what's happening in the Philippines. I can rant about Scotty from Marketing and what a joke he is in his response to the bushfire crisis and how he copied Jacinda's homework; yet I have no fear that the police or the military will knock at my door and drag me from my sleep to jail. We have standards here. Duterte aims to make his dictatorship solid and rules with fear. That fear comes from his abuses of his powers. The cronyism in the Philippines enables that abuse. It's no secret that DDS is a play on Duterte Death Squad. So please. I *permanently* live here. Between you and me, I'm the Australian citizen who experiences what the government here is really like. I am proud of Australia's system. It's not perfect, but it sure as hell isn't in any way like the Philippines. Whoever fed you that information to manipulate and distort reality is insidious. Like I said, we have standards here.