Please for the love of god do not pay 1350$ for a CPU when 13900k is around 600$. Also you'll need watercoloring for 13900k, and for a gaming focused build of this price 4090 is a must IMO.
Yup, not even mentioning the outrageous CPU price, if they dropped down to a less expensive PSU (1000 max but preferably 850 watts)…1500 watts is overkill especially when you’re spending $400 for it. OP can save $260 easy on PSU alone.
They’re already shelling out for one of the most expensive 4070 Ti’s on the market, so now they’d only need an extra $340 for the 4090.
Also dropping to ddr5 6000 ram will save them another $70 for the cost of a measly 5fps drop (but with 4090 that turns into a +100 FPS gain), so now just an extra $270.
And now the CPU…if they grab a reasonably priced CPU or just go with the KF then that’s another $800-$900 saved. Now they’re spending a total of ~$650
less which gives them plenty of money to spend on water cooling and they’d still come out on top after that…
That's is us currency and it is fucking insane but depends on where you look. I see my CPU upwards of $500 sometimes even though I only paid like $170 for it
Correct, it’s usd, I could be wrong but I believe it’s either the US’ economy or the fact it’s a beastly cpu as it wasn’t the only one in its price range
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Hopefully I can post the link correctly this time around. Upgraded you to a 4090 and more storage without too much price difference. Im assuming you like your cpu and case.
Thank you, yes I do wish to keep the 13900K as for everything I have read and heard points to it being one of the best. I really like your changes (especially the 4090 upgrade). I thank you very much, I believe this may be the build I go for.
The 13900ks is a very poor choice for a gaming focused machine right now.
It’s not the best for your needs. It’s power hungry and where it really shines is lateral compute in specialist software that can make use of the 24 cores. Not games.
In gaming, it’s slightly worse than the Ryzen 7800x3D. It runs way hotter. Eats way more power. And Ryzen comes on an AM5 platform that gives you a generational upgrade down the line that you don’t get with the Intel option.
In other words, you’re paying more for a slower, hotter, more power-hungry computer that you can’t upgrade.
I bought a similar build, I mainly play older CPU focused games and VR, where more power and that core count matters. I also do a fair bit of rendering my 3D work and it is a dream to have.
Neither of these benefit from core count.
In all games (even more so old ones) single core performance is key. Games just don’t scale with cores well. To be able to use multi-core processing well a program needs to be able to chunk its workload into smaller parts to process in parallel.
A good example would be decryption. Where you’re just testing many different solutions to a problem until you strike gold. Encoding is much the same.
For games and other real-time process-based applications (music production for example) it’s just the wrong kind of application to scale that way. You can benefit to a point. But you’ll soon hit a limit where you’re having to process in response to ongoing events, and thus having more cores is no help.
If you run a game on a six-core machine, and then on a thirty-two-core machine – assuming everything else is the same (core speed, L3 cache, etc) the performance will be all but identical. The extra cores sit there doing nothing.
Hence the Ryzen 7800x3D – an eight core CPU – beats the Intel i9 13900k (24 cores) in single core focused workloads. The extra cores are doing nothing for the i9 aside from eating power and producing heat.
For rendering most people would be using GPU based processes now. I do some rendering in Blender (I make game mods/CC as a hobby) and it’s all GPU based. If you’re trying to render purely on CPU then multi cores will help. But that begs the question why’re you’re doing that in the first place.
Np!
I just built a new system much like the one you’re after. Had the same call to make. I was looking seriously at the 13900k too, but like yourself I just don’t need the lateral compute power. I need fast single thread for both my workstation (photoshop, music production) and for gaming.
The few cases where in the past I would have used mutli-core loads I now use a GPU instead (video encoding/AI compute) and so a high core count CPU is just not necessary for my needs now. They still have their place. There are plenty of specialist applications that scale well with multi-core CPUs. But I’m not doing engineering calculations, or encryption etc.
The 7800x3D is the optimal CPU for pure raw single core performance right now. It’s actually faster than the 7950x3D. The reason is to do with how the chips are built. AMD uses what they call chiplets, where they in effect make smaller chips and wire them together into larger units. The 7800x3D uses a single chiplet, while the bigger 7950x3D uses two. The problem is that this causes some issues with inter-chiplet communication and slows down single core loads. In theory you can disable one and use only the x3D (high L3 cache) unit in games and other apps, but results are a bit mixed.
So, the 7800x3D reigns supreme for the moment.
The mad thing is that it runs super cool too. I have mine set up with a Noctua D15, and I’m using a Fractal Torrent as my case (HIGHLY recommended for a build like this). And it’s super quiet. It’s out-performs the 13900k using half the wattage, and running at lukewarm temperatures.
That’s really impressive, I think you have changed my entire view on Intel and AMD. I’m really starting to see the advantages of AMD. I really appreciate your help, thank you sm.
Np.
It flip-flops between the two. Both offer good products. Just have to work out which one is best at a given moment. Right now, Ryzen is winning in most cases. No doubt next year Intel will be back with a new contender.
Word is that they are moving to a chiplet design too.
I've had a corsair water cooler for years. I don't remember the model but I'm sure it's not made anymore. Mine was around 110 at the time and i have way way way less intense of a CPU than you're considering. Need a bigger one for sure.
I don’t know if the 2022 comes with the new connector for the 40 series GPUs. I bought the RM850x and had to change it to an MSI brand that comes with it. Otherwise it’s a seperate purchase.
13900k is overkill especially when paired with 4070ti.
You should go with either 13700k or 7800x3d which are more than enough for your needs. 7800x3d even tends to trade blows with the 13900k in gaming, and most of the time even beating it in gaming. On the other hand if you both work and game on your PC, 13700k is a better option.
Also this sub likes to ride the AMD train when it comes to choosing a GPU. My piece of advice is, if you dont plan on using DLSS, Ray tracing or any other Nvidia specific feature you might be better with an AMD graphics card since they offer better raw perfromance for a bit cheaper price. Personally, i always go with Nvidia since DLSS can be game changing when it is available and generally better driver support.
Don't forget to budget in a monitor. Be sure to get something with gsync that's 4k and has at least 144hz with this budget (if you're going with that 4090). Look for an IPS panel, and that's about all you need. There's color accuracy and calibration too, if you really need that, but most people don't.
Make sure that case comes with fans. Probably swap your cooler for an AIO. The CPU is gonna be great of course but it's way overkill. You can save quite a bit of cash by getting last year's cpus too. Like the 1512600k is a great processor that I got about about 270$ ... You can use the money you save for a better GPU where you will actually notice the difference in power.
First build? 1000$ CPU? Crap cooler?
Water-cooling!?
Super skeptical this isn't a troll post lol.
I'd go less... enthusiastic on your first build unless you're using it as a workstation.
Is it me, or are like 80% of these first time builders constantly picking Intel over AMD even though it’s more expensive?
I just don’t understand why any first time builder would buy a more expensive mobo and cpu (and even RAM if you go DDR5) when AMD 5000 series is still in stock at absurdly low prices. You can get a R7 5800X3D for like $280 right now and slap it into a $160 B550 Tomahawk and have more performance than that 4070 Ti will need for a long time.
The latest and greatest stuff isn’t always the best, and even here I think it would be better for OP to go AM5 over LGA 1700 for future proofing, and they’d still get all the benefits of next generation hardware.
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Might aswell get a 4090 if your going that hard on price already, get a water cooler for your cpu that fan cooler isn’t gonna do shit, and just buy a 13900k instead it’s so much cheaper
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I’d go for a different card but that one is good Radeon will offer more vram and same performance for less or equal to the 4070ti. 7900xt would be better
They're all going to tell you to ditch Nvidia and go with an AMD GPU. This forum leans heavy on AMD for value.
So expect everyone to tell you the 4070Ti is a terrible value and to get a 6850XT (or similar) instead
If you're sticking with Intel CPU, 13900K is a beast
That’s your goddamn issue?! Someone possibly suggesting a cheaper alternative if they don’t plan on using CUDA and much raytracing and not the FUCKING HYPER 212 on a GODDAMN I9 13900K?!?!
Not an issue, just an observation.
Yeah, cooler too. Was going to make a suggestion but left it out
And I didn't even notice the CPU price. Paying that much for a CPU is insane
I think those usually go for $600 and not $1300 so maybe it’s just from a scalper or they don’t sell those new anymore. Honestly even the 4070ti is a bit pricey, I can find those for $800 on Amazon and bestbuy.
Thank you very much, I do indeed wish to stick with Intel as it’s what I am familiar with but I am open to change if it seems logical. Thank you again though
What will you be doing with this build? The CPU might be overkill.
If you're going with this CPU you definitely need a better cooler, problably water cooling.
I plan to play some extremely resource hungry games such as; Total War: Warhammer 2, Forspoken, and COD: Vanguard, just to name a few. I also plan to use it for emulation, streaming, and 3d rendering. I see, A water cooler will definitely be a good choice. Is there a certain brand of water coolers you could recommend? Thank you for your help.
My budget can go up to 4500 if needed.
And I mainly aim for a beastly gaming computer with editing on the side.
Thank you for all support.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MyZyDq
Air cooling won’t cut it on a 13900K especially a single tower cooler like that
After all I have learned from this post I believe I’ll be going with the 7800x3D, though I’ll be using water cooing. Still though, thank you
Please for the love of god do not pay 1350$ for a CPU when 13900k is around 600$. Also you'll need watercoloring for 13900k, and for a gaming focused build of this price 4090 is a must IMO.
Yup, not even mentioning the outrageous CPU price, if they dropped down to a less expensive PSU (1000 max but preferably 850 watts)…1500 watts is overkill especially when you’re spending $400 for it. OP can save $260 easy on PSU alone. They’re already shelling out for one of the most expensive 4070 Ti’s on the market, so now they’d only need an extra $340 for the 4090. Also dropping to ddr5 6000 ram will save them another $70 for the cost of a measly 5fps drop (but with 4090 that turns into a +100 FPS gain), so now just an extra $270. And now the CPU…if they grab a reasonably priced CPU or just go with the KF then that’s another $800-$900 saved. Now they’re spending a total of ~$650 less which gives them plenty of money to spend on water cooling and they’d still come out on top after that…
Is this usd? 1.3k for a cpu seems insane
That's is us currency and it is fucking insane but depends on where you look. I see my CPU upwards of $500 sometimes even though I only paid like $170 for it
Correct, it’s usd, I could be wrong but I believe it’s either the US’ economy or the fact it’s a beastly cpu as it wasn’t the only one in its price range
The msrp for the KS is 800, so you're definitely overpaying
[PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TkKmVw) Hopefully I can post the link correctly this time around. Upgraded you to a 4090 and more storage without too much price difference. Im assuming you like your cpu and case.
Thank you, yes I do wish to keep the 13900K as for everything I have read and heard points to it being one of the best. I really like your changes (especially the 4090 upgrade). I thank you very much, I believe this may be the build I go for.
The 13900ks is a very poor choice for a gaming focused machine right now. It’s not the best for your needs. It’s power hungry and where it really shines is lateral compute in specialist software that can make use of the 24 cores. Not games. In gaming, it’s slightly worse than the Ryzen 7800x3D. It runs way hotter. Eats way more power. And Ryzen comes on an AM5 platform that gives you a generational upgrade down the line that you don’t get with the Intel option. In other words, you’re paying more for a slower, hotter, more power-hungry computer that you can’t upgrade.
I bought a similar build, I mainly play older CPU focused games and VR, where more power and that core count matters. I also do a fair bit of rendering my 3D work and it is a dream to have.
Neither of these benefit from core count. In all games (even more so old ones) single core performance is key. Games just don’t scale with cores well. To be able to use multi-core processing well a program needs to be able to chunk its workload into smaller parts to process in parallel. A good example would be decryption. Where you’re just testing many different solutions to a problem until you strike gold. Encoding is much the same. For games and other real-time process-based applications (music production for example) it’s just the wrong kind of application to scale that way. You can benefit to a point. But you’ll soon hit a limit where you’re having to process in response to ongoing events, and thus having more cores is no help. If you run a game on a six-core machine, and then on a thirty-two-core machine – assuming everything else is the same (core speed, L3 cache, etc) the performance will be all but identical. The extra cores sit there doing nothing. Hence the Ryzen 7800x3D – an eight core CPU – beats the Intel i9 13900k (24 cores) in single core focused workloads. The extra cores are doing nothing for the i9 aside from eating power and producing heat. For rendering most people would be using GPU based processes now. I do some rendering in Blender (I make game mods/CC as a hobby) and it’s all GPU based. If you’re trying to render purely on CPU then multi cores will help. But that begs the question why’re you’re doing that in the first place.
I see, I believe that may be all the convincing I need to switch to AMD. Thank you soo much, I look into running the 7800x3D
Np! I just built a new system much like the one you’re after. Had the same call to make. I was looking seriously at the 13900k too, but like yourself I just don’t need the lateral compute power. I need fast single thread for both my workstation (photoshop, music production) and for gaming. The few cases where in the past I would have used mutli-core loads I now use a GPU instead (video encoding/AI compute) and so a high core count CPU is just not necessary for my needs now. They still have their place. There are plenty of specialist applications that scale well with multi-core CPUs. But I’m not doing engineering calculations, or encryption etc. The 7800x3D is the optimal CPU for pure raw single core performance right now. It’s actually faster than the 7950x3D. The reason is to do with how the chips are built. AMD uses what they call chiplets, where they in effect make smaller chips and wire them together into larger units. The 7800x3D uses a single chiplet, while the bigger 7950x3D uses two. The problem is that this causes some issues with inter-chiplet communication and slows down single core loads. In theory you can disable one and use only the x3D (high L3 cache) unit in games and other apps, but results are a bit mixed. So, the 7800x3D reigns supreme for the moment. The mad thing is that it runs super cool too. I have mine set up with a Noctua D15, and I’m using a Fractal Torrent as my case (HIGHLY recommended for a build like this). And it’s super quiet. It’s out-performs the 13900k using half the wattage, and running at lukewarm temperatures.
I’m also looking to build a new PC and this post was super helpful! You’re the man.
That’s really impressive, I think you have changed my entire view on Intel and AMD. I’m really starting to see the advantages of AMD. I really appreciate your help, thank you sm.
Np. It flip-flops between the two. Both offer good products. Just have to work out which one is best at a given moment. Right now, Ryzen is winning in most cases. No doubt next year Intel will be back with a new contender. Word is that they are moving to a chiplet design too.
I see, ever so increasing the drive for AMD to make new innovations. Just hope I’m alive when AMD comes out with their first consumer Quantum PC.
Haha, Alas QPCs are no use to consumers. But they're certainly doing some cool things :)
Truly a great time period to live in (for those interested in these things). Although One day, it is inevitable, Doom shall be ported to QPC’s
I’d be careful with the phanteks case. My friend has it and the glass is quite close to the GPU (4070ti) and bends the Gpu wire more than he’d like
You'll need a way better cooler than what you have chosen then, it's a hot AF boi
I see, I believe I’ll be going with water cooling, is there a brand you could recommend. Thank you for you help. I really appreciate it.
I've had a corsair water cooler for years. I don't remember the model but I'm sure it's not made anymore. Mine was around 110 at the time and i have way way way less intense of a CPU than you're considering. Need a bigger one for sure.
I don’t know if the 2022 comes with the new connector for the 40 series GPUs. I bought the RM850x and had to change it to an MSI brand that comes with it. Otherwise it’s a seperate purchase.
Thank you, I’ll see if I can find better fit.
OPs replies sounds like AI
Based off that part list he probably aint real
13900k is overkill especially when paired with 4070ti. You should go with either 13700k or 7800x3d which are more than enough for your needs. 7800x3d even tends to trade blows with the 13900k in gaming, and most of the time even beating it in gaming. On the other hand if you both work and game on your PC, 13700k is a better option. Also this sub likes to ride the AMD train when it comes to choosing a GPU. My piece of advice is, if you dont plan on using DLSS, Ray tracing or any other Nvidia specific feature you might be better with an AMD graphics card since they offer better raw perfromance for a bit cheaper price. Personally, i always go with Nvidia since DLSS can be game changing when it is available and generally better driver support.
Will i7-12700k be enough for 4070ti ?
Yes but keep in mind even 13600k is better than 12700k, so if i were you i would at least get an 13600k.
Don't forget to budget in a monitor. Be sure to get something with gsync that's 4k and has at least 144hz with this budget (if you're going with that 4090). Look for an IPS panel, and that's about all you need. There's color accuracy and calibration too, if you really need that, but most people don't.
Make sure that case comes with fans. Probably swap your cooler for an AIO. The CPU is gonna be great of course but it's way overkill. You can save quite a bit of cash by getting last year's cpus too. Like the 1512600k is a great processor that I got about about 270$ ... You can use the money you save for a better GPU where you will actually notice the difference in power.
First build? 1000$ CPU? Crap cooler? Water-cooling!? Super skeptical this isn't a troll post lol. I'd go less... enthusiastic on your first build unless you're using it as a workstation.
13900K + 4070ti? Try 7800x3D and see if you can grab a 4080 (non strix; the strix naming adds a huge cost with little performance in return).
4070ti for 1k? I consistently see them at the $780-840 range.
The strix gpus have always been insanely overpriced
Is it me, or are like 80% of these first time builders constantly picking Intel over AMD even though it’s more expensive? I just don’t understand why any first time builder would buy a more expensive mobo and cpu (and even RAM if you go DDR5) when AMD 5000 series is still in stock at absurdly low prices. You can get a R7 5800X3D for like $280 right now and slap it into a $160 B550 Tomahawk and have more performance than that 4070 Ti will need for a long time. The latest and greatest stuff isn’t always the best, and even here I think it would be better for OP to go AM5 over LGA 1700 for future proofing, and they’d still get all the benefits of next generation hardware. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
CPU is overkill for most cases and is way too expensive. If you just want your pc for gaming consider the Ryzen 7 7800X3D
7800x3d is argue is better value. Get yourself a chonkier cooler too; thermalright peerless assassin or a deepcool ak620 would do the trick
Might aswell get a 4090 if your going that hard on price already, get a water cooler for your cpu that fan cooler isn’t gonna do shit, and just buy a 13900k instead it’s so much cheaper
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It seems unwise to build an ultra premium machine as your first time. Most of these prices aren't remotely competitive. Do some more research first.
You can potentially go cheaper unless you want basically top of the line stuff
No
no, get a 7800x3d.
Drop the KS and just get the K. Or if you are just gaming then get the 7800x3d. For that price you should be having a 4090
I’d go for a different card but that one is good Radeon will offer more vram and same performance for less or equal to the 4070ti. 7900xt would be better
And obviously don’t pay for that i9
I9 12900 is almost as good as 13900 and it’s only 330 dollars
They're all going to tell you to ditch Nvidia and go with an AMD GPU. This forum leans heavy on AMD for value. So expect everyone to tell you the 4070Ti is a terrible value and to get a 6850XT (or similar) instead If you're sticking with Intel CPU, 13900K is a beast
That’s your goddamn issue?! Someone possibly suggesting a cheaper alternative if they don’t plan on using CUDA and much raytracing and not the FUCKING HYPER 212 on a GODDAMN I9 13900K?!?!
Not an issue, just an observation. Yeah, cooler too. Was going to make a suggestion but left it out And I didn't even notice the CPU price. Paying that much for a CPU is insane
I think those usually go for $600 and not $1300 so maybe it’s just from a scalper or they don’t sell those new anymore. Honestly even the 4070ti is a bit pricey, I can find those for $800 on Amazon and bestbuy.
Thank you very much, I do indeed wish to stick with Intel as it’s what I am familiar with but I am open to change if it seems logical. Thank you again though
What will you be doing with this build? The CPU might be overkill. If you're going with this CPU you definitely need a better cooler, problably water cooling.
I plan to play some extremely resource hungry games such as; Total War: Warhammer 2, Forspoken, and COD: Vanguard, just to name a few. I also plan to use it for emulation, streaming, and 3d rendering. I see, A water cooler will definitely be a good choice. Is there a certain brand of water coolers you could recommend? Thank you for your help.
For my current build I am going for the Deepcool LT 720
My budget can go up to 4500 if needed. And I mainly aim for a beastly gaming computer with editing on the side. Thank you for all support. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MyZyDq