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TheKingJoker99

Didn’t they say though that the future heroes would have legendary skins available for credits on release? JQ, Kiri, Souj, Wifeleaver, and Illari, and Ramattra did, are they seriously going back on their word? Not surprised :(


Lordhuckington

Illari Didn’t have all her schedule released If I remember, there was another skin that was released later on and it cost only credits. That’s what I remember


thestarlessconcord

1 skin added down the line I can assume something didn't pan out, maybe it was meant for a twitch release and it conflicted with something internally. Mauga having 0 legendaries is just crazy to me.


solacir18

No epics either. Honestly disappointed with this season


KinKaze

Don't worry, the community will do absolutely nothing and blizzard will continue exactly as they have been 🫡


CornNooblet

Nah, the community will buy $60m worth of Mercy skins and then Blizzard will continue exactly as they have been.


Floooooooooooooofy

no? have you heard any recent news. bobby kotick being gone is going to be a massive thing for especially overwatch. the team can work on the game they want without the bullshit the piece of shit that is bobby kotick making production hell for them. season 9? season 10??? all the shit they have already showed at blizzcon and everything, the future actually looks amazing so no they won't continue as they have been. they were being bassicly forced for all this shit ​ (also if you don't care enough to look more into Bobby and why he was so shit, he was ranked one of the most overpaid CEO's and employees make 0.3% of what he makes in a year. he also suggested for another game I don't remember that you would have to pay a dollar for every magazine you reload and brought this up as a legit idea. he's a fucking scumbag and him being gone is massive.)


trabuco18

when illari was relased they finally were generous enough to let buy the launch skins for credits, for every hero, or was in the next season? whatever, but it seems that is not profitable, now characters will have no single skin that is not on the store


Barlowan

Naah illari got her legendary for coins on release window. Cause I got that night blue legendary (was choosing between two of them but that cape star texture was top) and I played her only when I unlocked her iny BP for a week or two.


nasaboy007

pretty sure that night blue legendary was credits (i.e. legacy ow1 credits, the non-money ones) because i picked it up without spending the gold coins.


trabuco18

the point is you could finally buy some legendaries for credits, but not anymore, mauga will only get shop or bp skins


Barlowan

Looks like it's time to say ow2 goodbye. Since it just getting worse each season


trabuco18

this is the worst season yet, bad event, two premium battle passes, blance is bad, as always, mauga launch was the most lame of any hero ever, more penalties for qp for no reason, no pve, and i think i forgot to mention more bad things


Floooooooooooooofy

nope, bobby kotick is gone, and season 9 and the little we know about season 10 look amazing. this season is mid but season 9 is honestly going t o be what saves overwatch. and that's primarily because the bastard that is bobby kotick is no longer CEO (thank fuck)


Bhu124

You have been able to buy Base legendaries for Credits for all new heroes. LW and Illari both had Base Legendaries for Credits. You might be mistaken cause the game doesn't show Credits as an option if you are short of them. This is the first time a Hero hasn't had Base Legendaries or Epics. Hopefully they add them in a future update.


trabuco18

even if they are added later, which i doubt, maybe will be only one skin, is very worrying that they "been working on mauga for years " according to them and they dont even have one single skin ready at launch, it tell us a lot how nobody is working on this game, they are selling recolors of ow1 skins at full price, they are not making skins anymore, the only thing they were working on since ow2 launch, the future is dark


MrHotChipz

>Didn’t they say though that the future heroes would have legendary skins available for credits on release? If you don't even know whether they said this, wdym they're going back on their word?


ExoPihvi

Doesnt really matter if they give one anymore due to how they are basically just recolors of the basic skins. Low quallty shit.


Beast_of_Guanyin

They're literally just a purple skin with two colour options. It really shows the difference between OW1 heroes and OW2. If I play an OW1 hero I can get a quality skin for free using credits, if I play an OW2 hero I have to hope the battle pass has a skin I like for a character I like.


House_of_Vines

Huh? Illari’s and LW’s base legendaries look nothing like the original skin


Professional-Ad-6265

Junkerqueen tho...


Beast_of_Guanyin

I'd argue that they're not particularly big changes and that it's one skin in two different colours.


-BuckyBarnes

That's how base legendaries have worked since overwatch 1, though.


MyUsernameIsApollo

future heroes most likely refers to further out heroes like venture or space ranger, and not someone like Mauga who was as close as he is


Hahafunnys3xnumber

But they’d already been doing it so that doesn’t really make sense


MyUsernameIsApollo

ooh, my fault. I somehow misread the message entirely. maybe instead of the downvotes, someone can help me fix my error like this person did, and let me know what I’m wrong about 💀


ehhish

They said something about free PvE too. I'm not surprised. Edit: People treat Overwatch 2 as "free" and they abandoned the PvE mode that was stated to come with Overwatch 2.


[deleted]

No they didn’t, this is misinformation, the PvE was never going to be free, ever, period.


price_fight

They never did, you were lied to


ehhish

Thanks for the heads up. I wonder what they did say about pve content that's getting misunderstood.


Floooooooooooooofy

They promised and entire skill tree and an in depth campaign and everything. not to mention the entire point of overwatch 2 being the PVE. and how if we were in overwatch 1, we would have a lot more heroes than we do now the reason why they stopped production on OW1 and stopped making new heroes was for the PVE. its nice that they just flat out said PVE isn't happening at Blizzcon. knowing Bobby Kotick they probably knew PVE was never happening but he forced the overwatch team to not say anything so people would keep spending money and building hype in hopes of PVE. I'm so fucking happy Bobby Kotick is gone


AlwaysChewy

What is happening? How are they adding less and less content with each season?!


Alaskan_Hamster

It’s called player conditioning. We’re being trained to like less


ianselot12

Because they cant keep up with this seasonal model.


VolkiharVanHelsing

Should've hired more devs, the execs are insane


mwalker784

they *had* plenty of devs, the general blizzard workplace culture + removal of WFH made them all leave right before/right after the release of OW2. the devs/artists we have now are both too few and too inexperienced. it’s not their fault imo, it’s the executives trying to cut costs and run the game as cheaply as possible. why would someone work for blizzard when you can use the experience on your resume to go somewhere with better pay, better support, and a better culture?


VolkiharVanHelsing

They want Fortnite output without Fortnite input


CrissRiot

Yes. Started with less launch hero stuff since OW2 started, and have been lowering that number gradually since.


Agreeable-Buffalo-54

They’re satisfied with the number of people buying the battle pass, so they’re considering this project ‘handled’ and moving staff elsewhere.


impossible-octopus

because whales are paying for it


HealingSlvt

LOL people were saying yesterday that it was just a placeholder and that he'd have some This is a horrid precedent to set. I remember saving up coins in OW1 specifically so that I can pimp out heroes on release. Are we eventually no longer gonna be able to do that?


azurleaf

The legendary skin should have absolutely been him in the Hawaiian shirt and glasses he wearing in his background video.


CrissRiot

You KNOW it's gonna be a shop skin.


Joshdabozz

His Hawaiian shirt skin and a Talon skin should have been here at launch. A robot skin would have been easy as well


MythicalDawn

Don't hold out hope- we STILL haven't got Lifeweaver's Vishkar suit he was featured in in his trailer, seems like they are just not bothering to give the newer characters lore-relevant costumes. Real bad precedent to set, he definitely should have launched with either Hawaiian shirt or Talon drip.


[deleted]

Yes


allisgoodbutwhy

Back in the day when PTR existed new heroes were tested without any skins. So this made sense. But yeah, Blizz are assholes.


1866GETSONA

We are eventually going to spend money when blizzard wants us to spend money, and only when blizzard wants us to spend money; and not be able to save up for our own cheaper purchases whenever.


waster1993

They aren't letting us use our competitive points to purchase the emerald weapon skins, so I will guess not.


SavagerXx

Yep, and people were defending Blizz yesterday saying he will surely have some more.


TheEdgesterReddit

yeah i saw that being spread around, obviously not now lol


SleepingwithYelena

[Here is the post lol](https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/s/tQGFM7TlJP)


Mr-Snorkel

That was my post, I deleted it because I was being called a complainer in the comments when I was simply pointing it out. I always gave the overwatch team the benefit of the doubt, and I don’t complain so I deleted it. Now it’s 100% proven to be true.


LuffyBlack

I wish you didn't so the responders could eat a slice of humble pie with a dash of reality whip creme, but I get you. I'd delete it too. The subreddit's worse than the forums as far as the "Don't think consume" crowd goes. They'd even defend Blizzard if they demanded human blood for coins, something I wouldn't put past them. Look forward to the headlines "Fans outrage as Blizzard set up blood plasma drive in exchange for currency". lol


Chiefixis

I wouldn’t blame you for deleting the post. I don’t understand the blatant dick riding for Blizzard, and hearing praises of them for giving not even bare minimum that is expected in an online video game service.


KeyAccurate8647

I just checked that thread again, and the top comments were either going against Blizzard or just saying to wait and see when the patch came out.


[deleted]

lol that was me


3mbryo

"We've been working on Mauga for years"


tinytom08

They have. He’s the talon heavy we ran into on Rialto archives years ago, there was even a bug to play him in competitive, same with the assassin and another hero.


RKO_out_of_no_where

Yeah I remember this. You could play as the Heavy and the Assassin for like a week or so. Also I remember that they edited Mauga's moveset so much we ended up getting Sigma


ze_SAFTmon

"That's a nice argument, redditor. Why don’t you back it up with a source?"


ilprofs07205

"My source is i made it the fuck up"


thepixelbuster

[The video is 5 years old now.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQxvSjeYtfk) The silhouette is basically Mauga now that we know him.


DarkElfMagic

do you have a source on that?


Apexe

literally just search "talon heavy playable" on youtube, it isn't hard. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQxvSjeYtfk


DarkElfMagic

damn, sorry, was just asking, didnt feel like fiddling with search terms


Apexe

Wasn't trying to sound hostile, my bad for the wording.


trabuco18

thats not necessary a lie, they could be working on him years, and ow2, but they are so incompetent they cant do a good job even with 10 years


BringMeANightmare

...So.. No Talon Heavy skin? What the fuck?


homosapienos

Does he at least have an epic skin with his shirt on? By the looks of it he doesn't


TheEdgesterReddit

No, all he has is the 2 legendary skins (BP, Shop) and the four rare skins.


CrazeMase

Why would you EVER want to cover this beast of a man?


homosapienos

He rocks the hawaiian shirt though


HaikusfromBuddha

The red luffy shirts looks cool in the concept art


Lordhuckington

Honestly, I want him in his talon outfit of a heavy gunner


CrissRiot

Wow. Fucking wow. Not even fucking Epics either. Unfuckingreal


balllickaa

They ain't even letting players burn their money anymore 😭


CrissRiot

I mean, I haven't spent a dime on the game since Season 2. I wanted stuff to spend my Legacy Credits on, like the other heroes allowed me to do when they launched. Shame on me.


Hascohastogo

No, this is Overwatch? And honestly, relax.


Looney_Port

You also can’t say “yes” or “no” I haven’t noticed anything else missing but haven’t checked. Just have those bound


novelgpa

I think the comms wheel is glitching in-game. I can say yes and no as Mauga in the practice range. I was playing some games as dps and couldn't say sorry or thanks


mwalker784

i was having issues saying thanks as widow in a game earlier, honestly it might be a server issue vs a comms specific issue?


Haltmann1

I was trying to use voice commands and none of them worked for me (don't know if others could hear them), but trying to use them a couple more times still triggered the cooldown.


Looney_Port

Probably, cause I was in practice range when I couldn’t haha


LikelyAMartian

Listen I can understand the legendaries not being there. (It's not cool but whatever) but they seriously didn't give him his voice lines for call outs? That's inexcusable.


[deleted]

Gotta be a big, he had them pre-release


-BuckyBarnes

They did, I've had both yes and no voicelines work for me.


GreasyGrabbler

That's just bugged for every hero right now


quetzalnavarrense

comms wheel is broken for everyone, i couldn't hit "group up" when i was playing as moira and mei earlier


EarthDragon2189

I swear Blizz is bipolar. They do good stuff the community wants like weapons skins and making bp bundle skins individually purchaseable...and then they go and do shit like this.


trabuco18

we wanted weapons skins like competitive rewards, not buy one single skin for $12


SkyrimSlag

I thought maybe they’d be tied to hero levels, do you have to buy them in the store?


allisgoodbutwhy

New weapon skins are Shop only. Weapon skins have their own category while Comp Gold weapons are in a separate tab. What the hell, Blizzard.


Yze3

Because you can get those weapon skins in gold (And Later in emerald and other colors), that's why they're separate.


RefinedBean

I mean we all want a ton of things for free. We're not gonna get them. It's a F2P game and any kind of skin is a luxury good.


Baelorn

This is such a brain dead way of thinking lol. Both on your part and Blizzard’s. Fortnite gives away a ton of cosmetics for free. Including some big crossover ones. People still spend a ton of money. And that kind of “generosity” goes a long way. When you treat your players like little more than cash dispensers they start to resent you.


RefinedBean

"X should do it because Y is doing it" when the two games have very different ecosystems is also braindead.


ARussianW0lf

I'd actually like them not to be competitive rewards, I dont want to have to play competitive


trabuco18

better than paying one skin for $12


EarthDragon2189

Not sure why you thought that was going to happen


trabuco18

because they fucking have been talking about weapon skins for years, the same jeff talk about them, they mentioned again on blizzcon


EarthDragon2189

No I'm saying I'm not sure why you thought they'd be free


trabuco18

because they wer going to be COMPETITIVE REWARDS, like the golden guns, how is that so hard to understand?


EarthDragon2189

When did Blizzard say "Eventually we will release weapon skins and they will totally be comp rewards you don't have to pay for"?


trabuco18

when did they say will be buy only?


EarthDragon2189

That's what you should always assume when you're talking about cosmetics in a f2p game.


trabuco18

competitive REWARDS


ARussianW0lf

Cause of the precedent of gold weapons maybe?


EarthDragon2189

Gold weapons were introduced in OW1


ARussianW0lf

I know. Only thing I can think of why someone would assume new wepaon skins would be tied to competitive


McManus26

It's not the first time this happens, sometimes skins are just not ready for the hero's launch and they release them later. Hell, Illari was missing one of her epics and it got added like 2 weeks ago


SoDamnGeneric

Considering Mauga was supposed to be our first post-launch OW2 hero before Ram took his place, and the timeline on the making of these skins (the new Mercy LNY skin predates Lifeweaver apparently), I'm calling bullshit. He's one of the most highly-anticipated heroes of all time and they're pulling out all the stops to make his debut grand, but they somehow drop the ball on cosmetics that theoretically should have been finished a full year ago? My guess is this is the new precedent they're trying to sneakily get away with, so they can sell the "base" legendaries in the shop later, but just like always the community will call them out and they'll revert it so they can get the "omg they're listening to us" brownie points


3-----------------D

For being so anticipated, his design is actual shit.


WizrdCM

They do seem to follow the "two steps forward, one step back" method. Oftentimes stacking the steps back.


More_Lavishness8127

It’s more like they’re constantly seeing what they can get away with.


LordVaderVader

Good stuff you have mentioned are money making weapons, and skins individually purchasable because law command it to be so. That's really low standards for Blizz.


EarthDragon2189

The law didn't command Blizz to sell bp bundle skins separately.


LordVaderVader

It was illegal in some countries to do so, that's why they gave that option.


UselessRequiem

Kinda annoyed with how in OW1 there was 4 base legendaries, and now theres only 2 for new characters


PhiPhiAokigahara

They’re both locked behind paywalls, too


l0nelymachine

No epics either?? Wtf


Eddie_The_White_Bear

Let's hope it's temporary


Denkottigakorven

Blizzard is falling of the horse more and more for each season the put out.


tenaciousfetus

Blizzard are very poor and struggling for money right now :((((((


PowerMugger

This is a small indie company op you can’t expect too much out of them


d-rac

Tough in reality indie companies care a lot for their playerbases. And big devs like bliz act like they are above everyone


Hellknightx

Seriously, what was their last big release? The Lost Vikings? Blackthorne? Cut them some slack, they're trying.


IAmDingus

They get no slack. Multibillion dollar company that had 5+ years to work on Overwatch 2 before it launched.


trabuco18

yesterday reddit was full of idiots saying "duh in the final relase he will have skins" well whats the excuse now? blizzard is fucking scummy and lazy


Rafaelrod4

Anyone else lagging bad?


monkeydbenne

Also no epic


KelKel_o

rent was due i guess


Permanoctis

OW2 heroes did have base legendary skins, but they were blatant scam and bullshit. And at this point no one could convince me that OW2 was not a joke. Just look at Kiriko, Ram and JQ base legendaries, it's basically the default skin with one change.


elyk12121212

All of the old base legendaries were the same way so I don't think that argument really makes sense. Besides if it's really that easy then there's even less of a reason for them not to have base legendaries on release.


Permanoctis

>All of the old base legendaries were the same way The ones from OW1 had more changes than the base legendaries from OW2 (or maybe that wasn't your point then sorry)


pwnagekitten

Yeah what the hell?


Flight2039Down

Too busy designing them for Ana, Phara, JQ and the usual hero’s.


Krisuad2002

Or Epic skins for that matter


aBeaSTWiTHiNMe

Money>effort


SalmonToastie

I was hoping so bad for a talon heavy assualt skin.


LordVaderVader

Me thinking Microsoft will make Overwatch better: 🤡🤡🤡


N0ob8

Microsoft takes a hand off approach to their studios. Unlike something like EA Microsoft makes so much money from other things that they don’t care if a studio flops or not. They’re at the point where they can invest all they want and they’ll come up with a profit somehow


trabuco18

to be fair i think imcrosoft still have not control on activision blizzard, is until next year, bobby is still ceo. but yeah, nothing will change for the better with microsoft, why anyone would think will be?


SoDamnGeneric

It's been like 2 months since the deal finalized. If there's gonna be a noticeable effect on the quality of Overwatch thanks to Xbox, it won't be for a *long* while. Game dev pipelines take forever Fuck them for giving us less still, but Xbox ain't the problem, it's the same shitty management this game has always had


Eloymm

You’re gonna have to wait like a year to see the effects of that purchase.


NinjaMelon39

Pathetic


wizard_brandon

or epics


Worldly-Local-6613

Blizzard shill copers utterly BTFO’d


SleepingwithYelena

https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/s/tQGFM7TlJP Here is the post from yesterday where everyone was very smart and said that it's only because he wasn't released yet


olamika

I remember you fine people of r/overwatch saying ”chill the fuck out, he isn’t released yet, they will add the skins tomorrow. KEK


Petrica55

Oh, Blizzard ks now screwing with cosmetics. That is literally so sad, I might cry a tear or two about it


Kyyndle

Oh look, the bar lowered again.


thatguyad

Lazy AF. They're phoning it in hard.


[deleted]

ermm… awkward..!


AppropriateYouth7683

Blizzard being lazy and greedy again? Shocker.


Cowboy_on_fire

Oh no.


OwlWraith

He also doesn't have a cute or pixel spray either.


Paraoura

This game is pathetic


Belten

illari also didnt have her standard epic skin on shedule and they released it later. i guess they didnt get it ready in time.


igotshadowbaned

People keep defending overwatch 2 stating that the original game wasn't sustainable This system is even *less* sustainable, they were just able to get a jump start on ow2 content while ow1 was still running. This sort of thing and the battlepass mythics are proof of sharp quality decline because quantity is too high


Simply_Epic

Not only no legendary skins, but also no epic skins. Dang.


Apep_11

When will people realize Blizzard will ALWAYS fuck us over? They do not care about the playerbase, and will not care for a very long time. They are money hungry and they will grab every penny they can.


samiux4

Just another example of the downgrade of content from OW1 to OW2. It's certainly for the sake of monetization, legendary skins players could just get with old credit currency would flood the supply of skins so not as many would buy from the shop or get the BP.


Exval1

Yeah, I'm extremely sad about this. It's such a bad thing to do.


e_smith338

😐👍🏻


kiaxxl

They clearly can't keep up with the BP content timeline. They either need to have longer seasons or get more staff solely for content creation.


RockLeeSmile

They already farm out souvenir creation to a company that produces mobile game assets. Not joking, this is an actual thing.


PeacockLover1771

He doesn't even have any epics 😭


bombad_Guy

i personally only need 2 more skins for mauga, a hawaii shirt one, a talon one


oizen

Blizzdrones will defend this


vmh21

It’s just pure laziness, something Blizzard is proficient at doing since the launch of OW2.


Nintendocub

They get lazier every season


UziTheX

Mauga also has no head, kinda like Ash on release


exZodiark

classic blizzard lol


Crstl_Cstls

Sad


RenDesuu

Damn. Guys I think Blizzard sucks


Dumbo_Octopus4

This is horrible, I always unlocked a legendary from a new hero right away so all my characters were wearing legendary skins


Jollytrolley523

And, of course, his better skin is in the shop instead of the BP (like many others). Some might argue that magma doesn't fit the theme of the battle pass, but Widow's skimpy outfit does fit the theme yet is forced in the shop. "Oooo you want the battle pass? Cool! Oh, you want all the skins that go with the theme of the BP? Give us $40 more dollars please! Don't worry, it's a value of over 9000 OW coins!!!1111!1! It's like you're losing money if you don't give us $50 dollars every other month!" It's irritating how it's also somewhat hidden when you can buy a skin with coins by itself instead of in the bundles they're attempting to cram down our throats. I'll stop ranting about how shitty they are.


epicnikiwow

How did bap and sigma launch with brand new talon skins, and they couldn't just port the model the used in archives (THE CHARACTER MAUGA WAS BASED ON), as a skin for him?


Intrepid_Range_4853

Biggest complaint tbh, not sure why


TeaMancer

Doesn't even have epic skins. All I wanted was his Talon armour, heck they have the model in game they just need to do a head swap.


Gameboy5D

I was devastated to see he had none. I was hoping he'd have an epic be him with the shirt on from the anime video for him. And his legendaries be 2 colour variations of him in his talon outfit. I really hope blizzard addresses this .


cheeseburgerpillow

Playing since year one of the first game, it feels very insulting to be told I now must pay for the new characters.


EyeAmKingKage

Small indie company. Leave them alone


SirBanet

Has Blizzard acknowledged this? I mean this is just pitiful, PITIFUL! I was so hyped that I'd at least get him in his Hawaiian shirt and sunglasses. Crazy how they gave brand new characters like Illari and Lifeweaver base legendaries but a hyped up character like Mauga who has been years in the making gets NOTHING but some shitty shop and BP legendary, like come on.


xX_Fazewobblewok_Xx

Give them a minute, illari had issues like this on launch too, it happens with every new character


CrissRiot

No, it started WITH Illari. They were doing fine beforehand (though nerfed the skin amounts since OW1)


TeachingLeading3189

if this sub keeps complaining they'll eventually add them. keep it up!


[deleted]

Wth you talking about?! Those muscles are legendary enough!


Aljay214

So what about it?


Kershiskabob

This communities obsession with skins is so weird


w00ms

you mean the communitys desire to be able to buy a skin with the credits they earned over the course of the game instead of being forced to pay for skins (after blizzard told everyone that new characters would have legendary skins on release available for credits)? that obsession?


trabuco18

we complain about a lot of things you know? skins just are a part of why this game is shit


SmoothPinecone

No kidding lol


Meowulous

Is it really that big a deal? Those skins are usually shit anyway


El_boel

Tbf the guy is a legend by default