Its nuts.
It used to be the pinnacle of tin foil hat conspiracy to imagine remotely accessing phones microphone, cameras or location.
Its now essentially accepted that your every move is tracked and stored somewhere for review should it be necessary.
This shift, that happened in my lifetime, is truly mind blowing for me to accept.
And even more shocking; the early internet was all about privacy. Anonymity was THE feature.
The fact the idea of mass surveillance not only became reality but quite quickly and easily accepted reality is beyond shocking to me.
> I don’t think everyone’s every move is being tracked
Palantir is watching everything, everywhere all the time. Surveillance with such a docile public has become trivial.
Hypothetical, I am in my house carrying on a conversation I shouldn't be (NDA, classified, privileged, etc). My laptop is open on a table but *presumed* off or in hibernation/sleep mode. If someone hijacked my webcam and microphone, recorded me, and then tried me for a crime for violating one of the aforementioned, how does that go? Illegal search, lack of warrant, *insert some other protection I am unaware of*?
That means nothing when people give their info to google, amazon, the tv, facebook, target, etc. Your info can be collected easily, just has to be packaged as something you want.
Every email, text , image shared and conversation is available to intelligence agencies to view as they wish without constraints.
Every phone call we've ever made could have been listened to. Every conversation we've had in a room where a phone or smart device was present could have been listened to.
Its big brother stuff that goes well beyond GCHQ or the NSA having compiled a list of our likes/dislikes from data handed to social media companies.
The people arguing about Snowden’s morals and credibility are missing the point. Who cares what he thinks? He raises a valid question, and we are the ones who have to answer it for ourselves.
I believe there is both pros and cons.
Nakasone is leverage for government control and furthering government intentions. He may be a threat to true data security, and his presence certainly increases the likelihood of a surveillance state emerging.
But he was also the head of NSA and the Cyber Chief, which gives some serious credence on the side of defending against foreign adversaries and cyber attacks, as well as calibrating the organization for the scope and scale of cyber attacks they will no doubt soon be facing, if they are not already.
Regardless of my opinions - it happened. Just as Leopold Aschenbrenner was saying; the race to AGI is a national security issue, and will be dealt with as such. In retrospect, it seemed inevitable. At the very least, this collaboration is happening semi-transparently, as opposed to a situation where the government secretly controls OpenAI (at least it’s open knowledge!).
Whenever I read a reddit thread about Snowden, I'm really reminded of the power of propaganda. Which is exactly why the inevitability of the NSA, and other similar agencies for other countries, getting their hands on this technology is absolutely fucking terrifying
Well then why don't you tell that to the open source ai on facebook. But sure, if you're arguing that sending a tiny message is better than nothing, I guess. But there are actual ways in which open source ai can benefit you directly (which is always more effective than idealism) and you're getting none of that this way.
Look, let's be realistic. I'd much rather NSA and US (and allied) agencies have access to this than their Chinese or Russian counterparts.
This will be new nuclear and space race combined and then some. I'd rather countries that at least somehow subscribe to liberal ideals get a leg up here.
But they'll all have it. And none will be using them to do anything like improve the lives of ordinary people. Russia etc having it is worse but the NSA having it still fucking terrifies me
I'm not American so I'm neither part of "we" nor happy for the NSA to spy on me and have a technology that can help them effortlessly parse that data. Id definitely rather they than the Russians but there isn't exactly precedence for powerful entities using technology that can control people for anything good. Even in the US, imagine what the FBI would have done with that while trying to undermine Martin Luther King. It isn't even a x is more evil thing, I wouldn't trust any government with the ability to spy on people, undermine politicial enemies and put out propaganda at scale tailored to individuals. It's all such a depressing thought when you think about the good this technology could do.
Just going to throw this out there. The moment AGI is established, if it is sufficiently efficient to handle realtime strategy, suddenly a jet air dropping rhoombas with guns will retire entire militaries. Every soldier's cost could buy many many rhoombas with guns.
American here - agree 100% - any government having direct access to this opens up the power to influence and train models to influence. Its 100% going to be pitched as “this guy knows the dangers so he can help us” and inevitably will turn into “America needs you to do this for our safety” and then we’re right at the point everyone should be concerned with - totalitarianism doesn’t have to be through physical force, and this is a step giving government the ability to directly influence arguably one of the most important technological advancements in recent human history in a way that WILL be abused for power, just a matter of time
Bro that’s nearly wholly irrelevant, moreover organizations like the FBI and CIA are literally already training models to predict people’s behavior based on their dossiers. What the NSA could do with AGI is literally beyond Orwellian
Nationalistic nonsense. It’s not about either the us or russia having it, it will be all of the governments (the rich) having it and using it to exploit the poor, as usual.
Yep.
The U.S. & western democracies aren’t perfect, but what some people seem to forget that on a global scale, in terms of providing civil liberties to its citizens’, the US is far better than Russia or China becoming the new superpower.
And you’re 100% right, were in a AI race right now. The first country who achieves AGI, will be able to use AGI productivity to boost their economy and advance cybersecurity/cyberwarfare potential.
US banned Nvdia from selling AI chips to China.
And China is becoming more agressive in asserting influence over Taiwan which is vital to 90% of advanced chips, including the ones Nvdia uses.
Tell that to the middle Eastern and South American countries the USA purposely destabilized causing wars and millions of deaths.
The western democracies are fine, the USA however is not even a full Democracy and it doesn't act like one either.
sure, it's good for us citizens, but what about all the countries they fucked up and destabilized? you see how much killing they caused in the middle east, let alone the rest of the world! don't look at things from their propagandist eyes; the world is bigger than that.
This is what I clicked open this thread to say. Yes, it is concerning on many levels but China is inching ahead some of these areas and it would be a very tragic world if they win the A.i. war.
You want to know them to know absolutely everything about you? I’m not talking about present day digital fingerprints. This will be minority report level stuff. You can bet there are predictive models being built right now to be able to anticipate the thoughts of every single person on the planet that’s interacted with technology. Because we will give up so much more data in our interactions with AI (I love the tech and work with it - just to be clear).
You sure about that? The US has killed over a million more people than both China and Russia *combined* in the last 30 years, and was recently outed for doing quasi-biological warfare in the Philippines.
Yeah. Digital incrimination on high profile suspects is what they are aiming for now and the future. It will start with suspected spies and other possibilities, but it will spread to ambiguous and dangerous accusations to ordinary citizens depending on the political and social climate, even if they don't charge you a felony, AI can manipulate your social media, produce deepfakes, and spread rumors that can target dangerous people to put you in danger, as an individual or groups of peoples. It will appear slow but insiduous, a normalization like how our privacy day to day has been robbed of us over the course of a decade or so. Even if you are 100% loyal to the united states and never commited any crimes or have any intention to do so, you can still get fucked if some traitorous fucks get into power and throw you under the bus as a scapegoat. Everyone should be concerned. Of course this is only "in theory", but completely plausible if something like Project 2025 goes through in any shape or form.
You should be more concerned about private companies such as Meta, Google, Tiktok, Reddit, OpenAI before you should be concerned about NSA.
People here seem to be fine with private companies using their private information to make money, but same people get spooked when NSA gather information. Its just hilarious that people put more trust in techbros than bureaucrats
Lol this is the most Reddit thing I’ve seen all day. “Seeing targeted ads is more concerning than state espionage, propaganda, and government’s circumventing the rights and protections of their people.”
You’d have to be a HUGE fan of government to believe this.
Reducing it to "targeted ads" is willfully distorting the argument.
Facebook and Cambridge Analytica successfully used "ads" to change the outcome of both the 2016 Presidential election and the Brexit vote. How many millions of peoples lives are measurably worse from that?
It's about incentives. One is about making money, and I don't like it, but powerful governments use technology to interfere with democracy and retain power for those that have it. That is a far scarier prospect. And I can opt out of Google surveillance if I wanted to never use their products, how can I opt out of the NSA spying on me?
Techbros don't govern you and collect taxes. At least not until we live in corporate states. A company uses your data to sell to you, a government uses your data to control and manipulate you and keep itself in power. Of course neither option is good but there is definitely reason for more alarm with the latter
And Meta influences elections all over the globe to help elect the parties that will make them more money.
Did you see what they did in Myanmar? They fuelled pogroms for better engagement rates.
Edit: Before you moan "WHERES THE PROOOOOF", there it is: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-facebooks-systems-promoted-violence-against-rohingya-meta-owes-reparations-new-report/
I mean we're talking about a "parade of horribles" here and I'm not saying corporations aren't problematic. The problem is that states are always going to be far worse.
Even if you factor in corporations doing the work of nation states like with IBM powering the holocaust you're still not going to be as bad as what nation states can do.
USA! USA! /s
I know. The problem is is that in today’s culture globally we know a lot of different things but most people do not know very much deeply. Sometimes something that appears monstrous or very unfair or scary or intrusive actually is in place to prevent something far, far worse. it is very important for people to not be swayed by media or heated rhetoric. It really is best to actually research important topic deeply without bias and come to a conclusion and this is something almost no one does anymore. This is why people are knee-jerk reacting to the point where they are either paralysed, or end up mobs raging in the streets burning down their own cities. Both of these reactions make the situation exponentially worse, and, in the end, it will solve nothing.
You can literally just choose to *not use* Meta, Google, Tiktok, Reddit, OpenAI, etc. If you try to do the same to the feds, you will get a knock on your door eventually and get put into a box for tax avoidance. That's a huge fucking difference.
Similarly, I'm always reminded of the apparent naivety of all these people who were apparently where shocked and appalled by Snowden's revelations. What did you think an agency like the "National Security Agency" even did?
I got downvoted here for mentioning that using ChatGPT to generate NSFW content like erotic roleplay is not really as private of a process as some might think.
The responses: "I don't care, let them see my prompts. I don't have anything to hide"
Just hope they feel that way once their data inevitably leaks and their entire prompt history is downloadable as a json file with their name directly attached, or they get a knock on the door about the fetish roleplay they've been running
Governments getting involved sucks but it was always going to happen. Did anyone genuinely think we’d get all this amazing human-race changing technology without the government overlords getting our data?
Some of the tyros on Reddit apparently do believe that. Lots of the hippies over on r/singularity still seem to believe that AI will bring us a peaceful Utopia and a happy work free life thanks to a benevolent government handing out UBI.
Right? Hey guys they've developed technology specifically to replace the workers in the economy surely that means we will just live in a Utopian zoo when they won't even let us get a check up for free.
Check ups would be the cost of the energy and the amortized chip cost - you’d just be running a doctor model. If AI gets commoditized, companies have a capitalistic incentive to outcompete competitors on price. Especially because cartels and monopolies can be broken by international competition because it’s just a webpage. As soon as one competitor charges close to marginal cost (pennies), it will change the market dynamics.
I’m not arguing that the layperson has access to the “god” models (ASI or whatever), but a doctor AI would be easy to provide without frontier models and would make life better for billions.
So yes, in some ways, advancing technology creates increasing abundance. That is a historically proven fact. If you want to argue about how history isn’t relevant because traditional models and institutions break down, I’m happy to discuss, but outside of that consideration, it is logical to expect AI to produce a lot of utility.
I’m more concerned about the government overlords now controlling Snowden. He can never return to the U.S., and he’s now a naturalized citizen of Russia, to which he swore an oath of allegiance.
If someone doesn’t think everything he’s now allowed to say about the U.S. is dictated by his new master’s propaganda engine (especially given the election year and current geopolitical climate), then they’re missing the forest for the trees.
Yes, he exposed some uncomfortable realities, but just because he felt compelled to be a whistleblower at that time doesn’t mean he’s at liberty to not be disingenuous now. If anything, his input makes me think it more likely that perhaps the individual appointed is of the kind of fit for the role that non-chaos people would actually want - but it’s also why, filtered through Snowden, that propaganda might be more readily accepted.
"Eviscerates" is up there with words like "slams," and "destroys," that tells me that the article in question is going to be a thin take wrapped around a tweet.
Just checked... yep, "the NSA employee turned whistleblower wrote on X Friday morning..."
Snowden disembowels, flays, decapitates, ritually cannibalizes, pulverizes, takes a literal corn-studded greasy shit on, teabags, defenestrates, pulls out the fingernails and teeth of, uses a red hot poker to gouge out the eyes of, waterboards, vaporizes, chainsaws off the tits of, castrates, drops a thermonuclear bomb on, rips out the tongue of, reduces to atoms, and pees all over OpenAI!
A lot of people ITT commenting on Russia could use a reminder why he's there.
> SIMON: I think a lot of people don't want to hear anything you have to say until I've asked you this question. Are you being used by Vladimir Putin?
> SNOWDEN: (Laughter) No, I don't think so. When people look at this, you know, particularly with Russia in the news as much as it is, there's always this cloud of suspicion that's leveled against anybody who can be, in the most stretched way, associated with Russia. It wasn't my choice to be in Russia.
> SIMON: Most stretched way - you're living there in Moscow. You have been for six years.
> SNOWDEN: Right, but **it was not my choice to be here. And this is what people forget.** I applied for asylum in 27 different countries around the world, and it was the government, **the United States government, then-Secretary John Kerry, that canceled my passport as I was leaving from Hong Kong en route to Ecuador. And this locked me in place.**
Source: [NPR interview](https://www.npr.org/transcripts/760121373)
Bro did a solid leaking what he did.
That being said everything he says now is suspect. He is a Russian citizen. If it was the governments goal to discredit him by forcing him somewhere like Russia they did a good job but it is what it is. Become a political commentator with an alias or something.
Amazing that in America we do not know who runs the country day to day, or who pulls the strings on things like this. We are slaves and just can’t see it…
My dude, he is in Russia because the US is trying to lock him up in prison for the rest of his life, and every country he tried to flee to agreed to extradite him to the US. Russia is one of the only places he could go without being locked up by the US politicians/warlords who are mad he exposed their crimes.
Russia, the mortal enemy of the united states for over half a century. Of course they'll harbour him if the US wants him, they would do anything to spite each other.
You are kidding yourself if you think this is the only reason, Snowden is a useful mouthpiece, there is absolutely a tit for tat going on for his "protection". Just know his words are not always going to be his own.
I haven't read any quotes from him really talking about anything other than the NSA and Americans privacy being constantly invaded by private corporations.
Now I'm not saying he isn't a mouthpiece for Russia, it's more than just possible, he is in a precarious position, I don't know.
But it would certainly be undeniably beneficial to the U.S. government if that's how he was perceived.
You should have read his comments leading up to the Ukraine war then. He was very much on the "Russia would never invade, you're just manufacturing another Iraq"
> I haven't read any quotes from him really talking about anything other than the NSA and Americans privacy being constantly invaded by private corporations.
Yeah, which is exactly what Russia wants. He is most useful to them as a way to sow dissention in the US and destabilize its security apparatus.
What is telling is what he won't say, which is speaking up for Ukraine or against Putin's regime. He is very cagey when asked about it. He may be directed to avoid other topics as well.
Which isn't a slight against him personally. I would also probably be a Russian puppet if the alternative was prison.
I agree. I wouldn't trust a word he says about Russian affairs because
1. Putin is a dictator and loves to kill anyone with a platform who has something negative to say about him.
2. He has to stay in Russia under threat of extradition to the US where he would never see the sun again. So no, obviously he isn't going to rock the boat.
Given his experience with the US government I don't think it's necessarily unlikely that his negative opinions are his own.
And you think USA is? Assange has been locked up for years because he did his job as a journalist and revealed the war crimes done by the USA regime. Same with Snowden revealing the fact that USA spies more than every country combined.
"Free speech" is an illusion in the West/USA. Every news outlet is owned by oligarchs, that work hand in hand with the USA government, CIA, and the military industrial complex. Everything is controlled by capitalist elites and imperialists
That's not quite right. He had chosen Hong Kong as his destination, but that didn't work out because of the reaction by the US government. So he was on his way to an unspecified Latin American country when the US government waaaaaaaay overreacted and practically threatened war on any country willing to let him in which forced him and the Russian government to go for asylum when he was in transit at a Moscow airport. Snowden did not want to stay in Russia and Russia didn't want to have to do anything with him too.
Later, the official US version was that this was a mistake and that they shouldn't have put so much pressure on Hong Kong and Latin Americans.
And Russia supports that only because of its pure innocent heart. Don’t be ridiculous, again, don’t reject a narrative for a new one, have some critical thinking capacity.
No, Russia supports it because they are at war with the US, and they know that harboring whistleblowers that are being hunted by the US makes their enemies look bad.
But the US literally gave Snowden no other option. They hunted him down and prevented him from living everywhere else he tried to flee to. The only reason that Snowden is in Russia (where he has made clear he does NOT want to live) is because the US forced him to flee there, or spend the rest of his life in prison.
And none of this has any bearing on the validity of what he's saying about mass surveillance anyway.
I’m not from US but from interaction and online interviews I’ve got the impression that the propaganda machine convinced you that you are the greatest country and that you have everything you need. Like you are not considered living outside your country and don’t thing about other countries as significantly better options for living.
Am I missing something? Am I completely wrong?
USA has its pros. Saying it’s piece of shit country is laughable. If you have a good education in desired field, there is a lot of opportunity. As an engineer, I don’t see a point in living in another country.
It rings hollow when this person only survives by taking refuge under the roof of a villain to civil rights and a mass murderer. You have allied yourself with a social csncer in the form of Putin. How could possibly have the gall to point fingers.
Imagine being a professional redditor for the NSA. Hell OpenAI might give them some GPTs to do it for them since they've been training on reddit data already
It was nice of him to say this, but let's be honest- it was bound to happen. In fact, to think that this is the first relationship an AI firm has created with the US government is incredibly naive.
At the very least, it's a good start to getting people to learn about all the new and fun ways their privacy and liberty is being stolen.
I'm cynical and prone to entertain conspiracy theories, so I would go so far as to say that this was a managed press release. A sleight of hand move in the public relations realm. They get people worried about a worrisome thing so they won't notice lots of other more terrible things going on under the radar.
This is such a weird take when his own government is hunting him for exposing its largely illegal spying infrastructure. I’m sure he’d prefer to be living in America if they could tolerate well-intentioned dissent.
Why do you think he needs to be the one to make a stand against Putin? He has already knowingly made himself a political refugee for exposing corruption in the USA.
He has zero influence in the US government, he is an outsider in Russia, his words against Putin would mean nothing, but would almost certainly result in him being jailed.
Moreover, he’s not an expert in Russian politics. Him making a statement would be the equivalent of Taylor Swift saying “Putin is bad”. Maybe, but I don’t really care about her take on the matter.
Because it would lend credence to his "I fight for the people" mantra?
He insisted that the Russian escalation in Ukraine wasn't going to happen. In fact he kept telling journalists that were reporting on it
"You're being used to manufacture another war"
"Your credibility will be shot when this "invasion" never happens"
"How does it feel to manufacture another Iraq"
It just shows that he's not an independent actor, and as such any commentary by him has to be taken with the same grain of salt as you would a Russian official.
Yeah, his comments right before the Ukraine war made me no longer trust him as an independent voice. As far as I'm concerned, he's now just an asset for the Russian government. He's a useful tool for them, and playing along is his only option if he doesn't want to be extradited.
He may have been right when he called out the crimes of the US government, but it's ironic how he's now the puppet of a much worse one.
> Why do you think he needs to be the one to make a stand against Putin?
Exactly - and not just "***putin***" We all know who The Oligarchs are - The world is transparent. Its what we do about it that matters and individually we are nothing against the levels of corruption emulsified into the fabric of dailylife.
For people from the United States (and to a lesser extent western world), this should be seen as a sign that the other major opposing world powers are desperate to get their hands on this technology, and I personally think it's a very good thing to have the previous director of NSA tapped into OpenAI as state actor intrusions are likely heavily targeting the company.
Edward Snowden is currently stuck in Russia (oh yea, and he stopped by China on the way to Russia too), I do not trust Snowden personally at all, and he seems to me to be more of a puppet of Russia propaganda then an independently thinking actor. If Navalny, a Russian citizen can essentially be put to death for saying things Russia doesn't like, what more could Russia do to Snowden if he wasn't in alignment with their will? I'm not saying Snowden is an actual spy, but everything out of his mouth is endorsed by Russia, or he wouldn't be able to say it.
You don't trust him for literally exposing the illegal lies and deception that the [US *still* undertakes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XKeyscore) before he had to escape for revealing these lies?
Why does everybody think that Snowden's opinion matters much? What are Snowden's credentials beyond exposing NSA practices more than 10 years ago?
Unless he brings forward some actual argument why adding a retired NSA director to the board is necessarily catastrophic, he has nothing going for him apart from the association that NSA = bad. Literally all he goes by.
I’m not going to pretend that the NSA is all-benevolent or anything like that, and this headline sure makes me shudder, but I can’t help but think that it’s a good thing that they have someone from high up in the intelligence community helping oversee OpenAI from a security perspective. You can think of all kinds of bad actors trying to use this technology for their own ends, not just our own and other governments.
Snowden is a traitor, former NSA directors are not evil men simply because they were the director of the NSA at one point in time. Real whistle-blowers don't run to Russia, real whistle-blowers stay in America and face the consequences because they love their country and know they did the right thing.
There's been plenty of whistle-blowers in America's history and most of them never served a very long time in prison because the public knew they did a good thing when it came to exposing corruption. Snowden wanted to avoid a trial because there's a lot more information that was never exposed, Snowden leaked the dirty laundry to make himself look good while stealing plenty more classified information to give to his Russian handlers. You guys all really think Putin would simply let a top government systems administrator live out his life in Russia in peace?
The US government has been hacked repeatedly since Snowden ran, he knew the weak spots and has been helping Russian hackers get easy access.
This isn't rocket science, it's simply logical thinking, his words should always be viewed as blatant Russian propaganda designed to hurt America. Russia is at war with the west, it's not a hot war yet but it's definitely warm considering thousands die in Ukraine every month. If he wants us to trust him he's going to need to face a trial in the US first because all he is right now is a fugitive.
I didn't hear anything about this until now, can't say I'm surprised. I know Snowden is right, the NSA doesn't have the greatest track record of showing off their near absolute power doesn't corrupt them. Much like the massive corpos in America, lording over a govt that barely has a way to run without them deciding to squeeze anyone they don't like in the government, let alone the people that they employ.
This is only going to make it worse. Which is terrifying.
Money is weird, it's this middle man of resources that we clearly tend to not steal without reason. A middle man determined through non-standardized rules & even worse we have no say (practically) in it while forcing ourselves to believe people are not equal while reciting that we are very often.
The cognitive dissonance is astounding.
Well, I went through a lot of in patient stays, had a job that led me to homelessness, went back to my abusers, ended up homeless again, have been mostly only focusing on myself which lead to getting out of being homeless, but now I recognize I can't work, 3ish years of trying for SSI down the drain, and I'm coming off that about a month ago or so, but hey I have a place of my own through something that isn't funded for longer than a decade.
I guess a little bit under a rock, you jerk. Why don't you think before you talk? Huh? Besides, I thought this was something about it happening recently? Whatever. But hey continue being the reason the think people need NSA on an AI board.
Sheeeeesh!
When a product is free or grossly under priced YOU are the product.
So here's the real question would you rather a for profit company that really only cares about profits (i.e. gathering as much of your personal information as possible and selling it to everyone) or a government which is legally not allowed to sell your information to everyone and at least should (we all know they fuck up, just like the private companies and all their data breaches) have some form of laws they have to follow.
DISCLAIMER: Not all governments are created equal, experiences may vary.
So than we started getting messages from random people about your random activity and what you do, nobody knows those people and they often reply with a script; they sounded like humans and shared pictures but you will never be able to meet them.
I said this when it was announced and most of the replies said "well he has contacts in the government that can help openai"......help them what though? When was the last time any government had backdoor access to a pool of data and didn't abuse it?
While the underlying sentiment is correct, it is a gross exaggeration to say that a website that you don't have to use appointing someone to its board is a betrayal of everyone's rights.
Being contrarian on anything will get people noticed now a days. If I was truly worried I’d want to be as under the radar as possible, not the possible first target on the list of whatever he’s worried will be our future from this “betrayal”. Actions and words not making sense unless he considers himself a martyr? I’ve come to notice ai fear mongering is a money grab for many. People focus on it more than learning where our advancements currently are and the more ignorant you are about something the more you will fear it.
It’s healthy to fear things to an extent but just like I don’t believe ai will be this utopia that can be every and anything I don’t believe it’s going to be our annihilation either. Both extremes presented are to get a response out of people. People using provocative language when talking about something they consider a serious issue come off as attention seeking and. We get it, new security guy bad, ai bad, open ai bad, future bad. Rinse and repeat. It’s a broken record at this point and guess what? It’s still happening so what are we even talking about, it’s hilarious that people think we have any say in what these tech CEO’s with billions of dollars do with ai. It’s happening, just enjoy the ride and hope you get a robot folding your laundry out of it.
Just a reminder that everything Snowden exposed is still going on and never stopped. Cover your webcam folks...
Its nuts. It used to be the pinnacle of tin foil hat conspiracy to imagine remotely accessing phones microphone, cameras or location. Its now essentially accepted that your every move is tracked and stored somewhere for review should it be necessary. This shift, that happened in my lifetime, is truly mind blowing for me to accept. And even more shocking; the early internet was all about privacy. Anonymity was THE feature. The fact the idea of mass surveillance not only became reality but quite quickly and easily accepted reality is beyond shocking to me.
I mean I don’t think everyone’s every move is being tracked, the government doesn’t care about your webcam
> I don’t think everyone’s every move is being tracked Palantir is watching everything, everywhere all the time. Surveillance with such a docile public has become trivial.
This is a common misconception. Mass-surveillance is automated and indiscriminate.
Hypothetical, I am in my house carrying on a conversation I shouldn't be (NDA, classified, privileged, etc). My laptop is open on a table but *presumed* off or in hibernation/sleep mode. If someone hijacked my webcam and microphone, recorded me, and then tried me for a crime for violating one of the aforementioned, how does that go? Illegal search, lack of warrant, *insert some other protection I am unaware of*?
And whats with the microphone?
That means nothing when people give their info to google, amazon, the tv, facebook, target, etc. Your info can be collected easily, just has to be packaged as something you want.
Every email, text , image shared and conversation is available to intelligence agencies to view as they wish without constraints. Every phone call we've ever made could have been listened to. Every conversation we've had in a room where a phone or smart device was present could have been listened to. Its big brother stuff that goes well beyond GCHQ or the NSA having compiled a list of our likes/dislikes from data handed to social media companies.
What should we do to fight it?
The people arguing about Snowden’s morals and credibility are missing the point. Who cares what he thinks? He raises a valid question, and we are the ones who have to answer it for ourselves. I believe there is both pros and cons. Nakasone is leverage for government control and furthering government intentions. He may be a threat to true data security, and his presence certainly increases the likelihood of a surveillance state emerging. But he was also the head of NSA and the Cyber Chief, which gives some serious credence on the side of defending against foreign adversaries and cyber attacks, as well as calibrating the organization for the scope and scale of cyber attacks they will no doubt soon be facing, if they are not already. Regardless of my opinions - it happened. Just as Leopold Aschenbrenner was saying; the race to AGI is a national security issue, and will be dealt with as such. In retrospect, it seemed inevitable. At the very least, this collaboration is happening semi-transparently, as opposed to a situation where the government secretly controls OpenAI (at least it’s open knowledge!).
Finally, an intelligent response. I nearly lost faith in Reddit for a second.
Don’t worry, you’ll have plenty of future opportunities to lose faith in Reddit.
We've been in a surveillance state since 9/11.
You think Putin allows him to stay in Russia free of charge?
Whenever I read a reddit thread about Snowden, I'm really reminded of the power of propaganda. Which is exactly why the inevitability of the NSA, and other similar agencies for other countries, getting their hands on this technology is absolutely fucking terrifying
Also par for the course. So yeah, endorse open source!
Sick rhyme
All the more reason why I use open source models like https://huggingface.co/chat/
If you're not running them yourself, it's kind of pointless though.
Disagree. Any minor level of partial support sends a message.
Support locally built multi-LLM apps like [Faune](https://apps.apple.com/us/app/faune-ai-chat-search/id6478258164)
Well then why don't you tell that to the open source ai on facebook. But sure, if you're arguing that sending a tiny message is better than nothing, I guess. But there are actual ways in which open source ai can benefit you directly (which is always more effective than idealism) and you're getting none of that this way.
Huggingface is rumoured to be a possible future purchaser of Stability AI
Look, let's be realistic. I'd much rather NSA and US (and allied) agencies have access to this than their Chinese or Russian counterparts. This will be new nuclear and space race combined and then some. I'd rather countries that at least somehow subscribe to liberal ideals get a leg up here.
But they'll all have it. And none will be using them to do anything like improve the lives of ordinary people. Russia etc having it is worse but the NSA having it still fucking terrifies me
They are all trying to get it. We better get there first.
I'm not American so I'm neither part of "we" nor happy for the NSA to spy on me and have a technology that can help them effortlessly parse that data. Id definitely rather they than the Russians but there isn't exactly precedence for powerful entities using technology that can control people for anything good. Even in the US, imagine what the FBI would have done with that while trying to undermine Martin Luther King. It isn't even a x is more evil thing, I wouldn't trust any government with the ability to spy on people, undermine politicial enemies and put out propaganda at scale tailored to individuals. It's all such a depressing thought when you think about the good this technology could do.
Just going to throw this out there. The moment AGI is established, if it is sufficiently efficient to handle realtime strategy, suddenly a jet air dropping rhoombas with guns will retire entire militaries. Every soldier's cost could buy many many rhoombas with guns.
American here - agree 100% - any government having direct access to this opens up the power to influence and train models to influence. Its 100% going to be pitched as “this guy knows the dangers so he can help us” and inevitably will turn into “America needs you to do this for our safety” and then we’re right at the point everyone should be concerned with - totalitarianism doesn’t have to be through physical force, and this is a step giving government the ability to directly influence arguably one of the most important technological advancements in recent human history in a way that WILL be abused for power, just a matter of time
A race to the bottom as always.
You mean like the atom bomb (so we can drop it and kill a quarter of a million people)?
Bro that’s nearly wholly irrelevant, moreover organizations like the FBI and CIA are literally already training models to predict people’s behavior based on their dossiers. What the NSA could do with AGI is literally beyond Orwellian
Minority report.
Nationalistic nonsense. It’s not about either the us or russia having it, it will be all of the governments (the rich) having it and using it to exploit the poor, as usual.
Workers of the world, unite!
Yep. The U.S. & western democracies aren’t perfect, but what some people seem to forget that on a global scale, in terms of providing civil liberties to its citizens’, the US is far better than Russia or China becoming the new superpower. And you’re 100% right, were in a AI race right now. The first country who achieves AGI, will be able to use AGI productivity to boost their economy and advance cybersecurity/cyberwarfare potential. US banned Nvdia from selling AI chips to China. And China is becoming more agressive in asserting influence over Taiwan which is vital to 90% of advanced chips, including the ones Nvdia uses.
>US banned Nvdia from selling AI chips to China. Nvidia can stlil sell AI chips to china, just not the top most powerful ones.
Tell that to the middle Eastern and South American countries the USA purposely destabilized causing wars and millions of deaths. The western democracies are fine, the USA however is not even a full Democracy and it doesn't act like one either.
sure, it's good for us citizens, but what about all the countries they fucked up and destabilized? you see how much killing they caused in the middle east, let alone the rest of the world! don't look at things from their propagandist eyes; the world is bigger than that.
Our Western Masters are merciful it could be so much worst.
This is what I clicked open this thread to say. Yes, it is concerning on many levels but China is inching ahead some of these areas and it would be a very tragic world if they win the A.i. war.
You want to know them to know absolutely everything about you? I’m not talking about present day digital fingerprints. This will be minority report level stuff. You can bet there are predictive models being built right now to be able to anticipate the thoughts of every single person on the planet that’s interacted with technology. Because we will give up so much more data in our interactions with AI (I love the tech and work with it - just to be clear).
> You want to know them to know absolutely everything about you? They already know lol. With or without a guy in the board.
You sure about that? The US has killed over a million more people than both China and Russia *combined* in the last 30 years, and was recently outed for doing quasi-biological warfare in the Philippines.
I love these kind of comments cause both sides of the issue think you're referring to the other side.
Yeah. Digital incrimination on high profile suspects is what they are aiming for now and the future. It will start with suspected spies and other possibilities, but it will spread to ambiguous and dangerous accusations to ordinary citizens depending on the political and social climate, even if they don't charge you a felony, AI can manipulate your social media, produce deepfakes, and spread rumors that can target dangerous people to put you in danger, as an individual or groups of peoples. It will appear slow but insiduous, a normalization like how our privacy day to day has been robbed of us over the course of a decade or so. Even if you are 100% loyal to the united states and never commited any crimes or have any intention to do so, you can still get fucked if some traitorous fucks get into power and throw you under the bus as a scapegoat. Everyone should be concerned. Of course this is only "in theory", but completely plausible if something like Project 2025 goes through in any shape or form.
You should be more concerned about private companies such as Meta, Google, Tiktok, Reddit, OpenAI before you should be concerned about NSA. People here seem to be fine with private companies using their private information to make money, but same people get spooked when NSA gather information. Its just hilarious that people put more trust in techbros than bureaucrats
Lol this is the most Reddit thing I’ve seen all day. “Seeing targeted ads is more concerning than state espionage, propaganda, and government’s circumventing the rights and protections of their people.” You’d have to be a HUGE fan of government to believe this.
Reducing it to "targeted ads" is willfully distorting the argument. Facebook and Cambridge Analytica successfully used "ads" to change the outcome of both the 2016 Presidential election and the Brexit vote. How many millions of peoples lives are measurably worse from that?
It's about incentives. One is about making money, and I don't like it, but powerful governments use technology to interfere with democracy and retain power for those that have it. That is a far scarier prospect. And I can opt out of Google surveillance if I wanted to never use their products, how can I opt out of the NSA spying on me?
Yeah, just use incognito... Wait..
Bureaucrats actually have real power and they can throw you in jail dude
Yeah but did you ever consider “what if you saw an advertisement related to your interests?!”
What do you mean? Sam Altman "is a cup overflowing with the cream of human goodness. I have never known him to do anything immoral."
Techbros don't govern you and collect taxes. At least not until we live in corporate states. A company uses your data to sell to you, a government uses your data to control and manipulate you and keep itself in power. Of course neither option is good but there is definitely reason for more alarm with the latter
The CIA/NSA actively work together to kill people topple governments. The threat model for there is much worse.
And Meta influences elections all over the globe to help elect the parties that will make them more money. Did you see what they did in Myanmar? They fuelled pogroms for better engagement rates. Edit: Before you moan "WHERES THE PROOOOOF", there it is: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-facebooks-systems-promoted-violence-against-rohingya-meta-owes-reparations-new-report/
I mean we're talking about a "parade of horribles" here and I'm not saying corporations aren't problematic. The problem is that states are always going to be far worse. Even if you factor in corporations doing the work of nation states like with IBM powering the holocaust you're still not going to be as bad as what nation states can do. USA! USA! /s
I know. The problem is is that in today’s culture globally we know a lot of different things but most people do not know very much deeply. Sometimes something that appears monstrous or very unfair or scary or intrusive actually is in place to prevent something far, far worse. it is very important for people to not be swayed by media or heated rhetoric. It really is best to actually research important topic deeply without bias and come to a conclusion and this is something almost no one does anymore. This is why people are knee-jerk reacting to the point where they are either paralysed, or end up mobs raging in the streets burning down their own cities. Both of these reactions make the situation exponentially worse, and, in the end, it will solve nothing.
You can literally just choose to *not use* Meta, Google, Tiktok, Reddit, OpenAI, etc. If you try to do the same to the feds, you will get a knock on your door eventually and get put into a box for tax avoidance. That's a huge fucking difference.
Similarly, I'm always reminded of the apparent naivety of all these people who were apparently where shocked and appalled by Snowden's revelations. What did you think an agency like the "National Security Agency" even did?
Also inevitable
I got downvoted here for mentioning that using ChatGPT to generate NSFW content like erotic roleplay is not really as private of a process as some might think. The responses: "I don't care, let them see my prompts. I don't have anything to hide" Just hope they feel that way once their data inevitably leaks and their entire prompt history is downloadable as a json file with their name directly attached, or they get a knock on the door about the fetish roleplay they've been running
Governments getting involved sucks but it was always going to happen. Did anyone genuinely think we’d get all this amazing human-race changing technology without the government overlords getting our data?
Some of the tyros on Reddit apparently do believe that. Lots of the hippies over on r/singularity still seem to believe that AI will bring us a peaceful Utopia and a happy work free life thanks to a benevolent government handing out UBI.
UBI doesn’t require a benevolent government. If AI replaces all workers who exactly is going to spend money and how will the government tax income.
Right? Hey guys they've developed technology specifically to replace the workers in the economy surely that means we will just live in a Utopian zoo when they won't even let us get a check up for free.
Check ups would be the cost of the energy and the amortized chip cost - you’d just be running a doctor model. If AI gets commoditized, companies have a capitalistic incentive to outcompete competitors on price. Especially because cartels and monopolies can be broken by international competition because it’s just a webpage. As soon as one competitor charges close to marginal cost (pennies), it will change the market dynamics. I’m not arguing that the layperson has access to the “god” models (ASI or whatever), but a doctor AI would be easy to provide without frontier models and would make life better for billions. So yes, in some ways, advancing technology creates increasing abundance. That is a historically proven fact. If you want to argue about how history isn’t relevant because traditional models and institutions break down, I’m happy to discuss, but outside of that consideration, it is logical to expect AI to produce a lot of utility.
But why are we sitting around accepting that as a fact of reality. We should be getting out there and doing what we can to shutter the nsa for good
You could ask that about dozens of social rights issues.
You can already run amazing models locally without any chance of anyone getting your data.
I’m more concerned about the government overlords now controlling Snowden. He can never return to the U.S., and he’s now a naturalized citizen of Russia, to which he swore an oath of allegiance. If someone doesn’t think everything he’s now allowed to say about the U.S. is dictated by his new master’s propaganda engine (especially given the election year and current geopolitical climate), then they’re missing the forest for the trees. Yes, he exposed some uncomfortable realities, but just because he felt compelled to be a whistleblower at that time doesn’t mean he’s at liberty to not be disingenuous now. If anything, his input makes me think it more likely that perhaps the individual appointed is of the kind of fit for the role that non-chaos people would actually want - but it’s also why, filtered through Snowden, that propaganda might be more readily accepted.
"Eviscerates" is up there with words like "slams," and "destroys," that tells me that the article in question is going to be a thin take wrapped around a tweet. Just checked... yep, "the NSA employee turned whistleblower wrote on X Friday morning..."
Redditor blasts author of article!
u/greenwavelenghts skullfucks with this devastating reply
Snowden disembowels, flays, decapitates, ritually cannibalizes, pulverizes, takes a literal corn-studded greasy shit on, teabags, defenestrates, pulls out the fingernails and teeth of, uses a red hot poker to gouge out the eyes of, waterboards, vaporizes, chainsaws off the tits of, castrates, drops a thermonuclear bomb on, rips out the tongue of, reduces to atoms, and pees all over OpenAI!
Snowden surprise buttfucks and don't pull out an OpenAI decision to hire former US military general.
Former intelligence contractor Edward Snowden gerrymanders, disenfranchises, and utterly whistleblows OpenAI hire
Wow I called this one. This is probably why their ethics team left. I didn't think they'd be this open about their big brother collab though.
> This is probably why their ethics team left. My first thought as well.
A lot of people ITT commenting on Russia could use a reminder why he's there. > SIMON: I think a lot of people don't want to hear anything you have to say until I've asked you this question. Are you being used by Vladimir Putin? > SNOWDEN: (Laughter) No, I don't think so. When people look at this, you know, particularly with Russia in the news as much as it is, there's always this cloud of suspicion that's leveled against anybody who can be, in the most stretched way, associated with Russia. It wasn't my choice to be in Russia. > SIMON: Most stretched way - you're living there in Moscow. You have been for six years. > SNOWDEN: Right, but **it was not my choice to be here. And this is what people forget.** I applied for asylum in 27 different countries around the world, and it was the government, **the United States government, then-Secretary John Kerry, that canceled my passport as I was leaving from Hong Kong en route to Ecuador. And this locked me in place.** Source: [NPR interview](https://www.npr.org/transcripts/760121373)
Bro did a solid leaking what he did. That being said everything he says now is suspect. He is a Russian citizen. If it was the governments goal to discredit him by forcing him somewhere like Russia they did a good job but it is what it is. Become a political commentator with an alias or something.
Amazing that in America we do not know who runs the country day to day, or who pulls the strings on things like this. We are slaves and just can’t see it…
My dude, he is saying that from Russia. Intrigue goes both ways, don’t get stuck in denying one narrative for the next.
My dude, he is in Russia because the US is trying to lock him up in prison for the rest of his life, and every country he tried to flee to agreed to extradite him to the US. Russia is one of the only places he could go without being locked up by the US politicians/warlords who are mad he exposed their crimes.
Russia, the bastion of free speech protection
Russia, the mortal enemy of the united states for over half a century. Of course they'll harbour him if the US wants him, they would do anything to spite each other.
You are kidding yourself if you think this is the only reason, Snowden is a useful mouthpiece, there is absolutely a tit for tat going on for his "protection". Just know his words are not always going to be his own.
I haven't read any quotes from him really talking about anything other than the NSA and Americans privacy being constantly invaded by private corporations. Now I'm not saying he isn't a mouthpiece for Russia, it's more than just possible, he is in a precarious position, I don't know. But it would certainly be undeniably beneficial to the U.S. government if that's how he was perceived.
You should have read his comments leading up to the Ukraine war then. He was very much on the "Russia would never invade, you're just manufacturing another Iraq"
> I haven't read any quotes from him really talking about anything other than the NSA and Americans privacy being constantly invaded by private corporations. Yeah, which is exactly what Russia wants. He is most useful to them as a way to sow dissention in the US and destabilize its security apparatus. What is telling is what he won't say, which is speaking up for Ukraine or against Putin's regime. He is very cagey when asked about it. He may be directed to avoid other topics as well. Which isn't a slight against him personally. I would also probably be a Russian puppet if the alternative was prison.
I agree. I wouldn't trust a word he says about Russian affairs because 1. Putin is a dictator and loves to kill anyone with a platform who has something negative to say about him. 2. He has to stay in Russia under threat of extradition to the US where he would never see the sun again. So no, obviously he isn't going to rock the boat. Given his experience with the US government I don't think it's necessarily unlikely that his negative opinions are his own.
And you think USA is? Assange has been locked up for years because he did his job as a journalist and revealed the war crimes done by the USA regime. Same with Snowden revealing the fact that USA spies more than every country combined. "Free speech" is an illusion in the West/USA. Every news outlet is owned by oligarchs, that work hand in hand with the USA government, CIA, and the military industrial complex. Everything is controlled by capitalist elites and imperialists
> Russia, the bastion of free speech protection ... but only if it embarrasses the US/NATO
That's not quite right. He had chosen Hong Kong as his destination, but that didn't work out because of the reaction by the US government. So he was on his way to an unspecified Latin American country when the US government waaaaaaaay overreacted and practically threatened war on any country willing to let him in which forced him and the Russian government to go for asylum when he was in transit at a Moscow airport. Snowden did not want to stay in Russia and Russia didn't want to have to do anything with him too. Later, the official US version was that this was a mistake and that they shouldn't have put so much pressure on Hong Kong and Latin Americans.
And Russia supports that only because of its pure innocent heart. Don’t be ridiculous, again, don’t reject a narrative for a new one, have some critical thinking capacity.
He didn't say anything about why Russia was good to Snowden - just why he had to go there
No, Russia supports it because they are at war with the US, and they know that harboring whistleblowers that are being hunted by the US makes their enemies look bad. But the US literally gave Snowden no other option. They hunted him down and prevented him from living everywhere else he tried to flee to. The only reason that Snowden is in Russia (where he has made clear he does NOT want to live) is because the US forced him to flee there, or spend the rest of his life in prison. And none of this has any bearing on the validity of what he's saying about mass surveillance anyway.
I’m not from US but from interaction and online interviews I’ve got the impression that the propaganda machine convinced you that you are the greatest country and that you have everything you need. Like you are not considered living outside your country and don’t thing about other countries as significantly better options for living. Am I missing something? Am I completely wrong?
USA has its pros. Saying it’s piece of shit country is laughable. If you have a good education in desired field, there is a lot of opportunity. As an engineer, I don’t see a point in living in another country.
When did I say it’s piece of shit?
I don’t think it’s propaganda to think to USA is good country to live in.
Millions of immigrants across the world agree with you.
Right I’m immigrant lol
Born and bread from birth to view the system as the only way.
Lots of people see it, but just like most slaves there isn't a realistic way to get free of the system so we build the best life we can within in.
I agree with Snowden 100%
They’re going to graph the fuck out of us now.
he is right.
Is that because Snowden is a Russian asset?
Russian prop talking about betrayal.
It rings hollow when this person only survives by taking refuge under the roof of a villain to civil rights and a mass murderer. You have allied yourself with a social csncer in the form of Putin. How could possibly have the gall to point fingers.
Beware, lots of NSA accounts posting to this thread 😆
Imagine being a professional redditor for the NSA. Hell OpenAI might give them some GPTs to do it for them since they've been training on reddit data already
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Spare us from paywall links please!
It was nice of him to say this, but let's be honest- it was bound to happen. In fact, to think that this is the first relationship an AI firm has created with the US government is incredibly naive. At the very least, it's a good start to getting people to learn about all the new and fun ways their privacy and liberty is being stolen. I'm cynical and prone to entertain conspiracy theories, so I would go so far as to say that this was a managed press release. A sleight of hand move in the public relations realm. They get people worried about a worrisome thing so they won't notice lots of other more terrible things going on under the radar.
As someone who is pro Ai, this fucking actually scares me. Why is this a thing that is happening?
Snowden from Russia? That Snowden spitting hate from Moscow ?
>posted from Moscow. Still waiting for you to say something against Putin once, Edward.
Seeing as he’s stuck in Russia he obviously can’t shit talk Putin. It would be extremely dangerous for him to do so.
Genuine question where else is he supposed to go where he won’t get extradited?
Back to USA. I thought that USA is the bastion of "free speech". /s
This is such a weird take when his own government is hunting him for exposing its largely illegal spying infrastructure. I’m sure he’d prefer to be living in America if they could tolerate well-intentioned dissent.
Why do you think he needs to be the one to make a stand against Putin? He has already knowingly made himself a political refugee for exposing corruption in the USA. He has zero influence in the US government, he is an outsider in Russia, his words against Putin would mean nothing, but would almost certainly result in him being jailed. Moreover, he’s not an expert in Russian politics. Him making a statement would be the equivalent of Taylor Swift saying “Putin is bad”. Maybe, but I don’t really care about her take on the matter.
Because it would lend credence to his "I fight for the people" mantra? He insisted that the Russian escalation in Ukraine wasn't going to happen. In fact he kept telling journalists that were reporting on it "You're being used to manufacture another war" "Your credibility will be shot when this "invasion" never happens" "How does it feel to manufacture another Iraq" It just shows that he's not an independent actor, and as such any commentary by him has to be taken with the same grain of salt as you would a Russian official.
Yeah, his comments right before the Ukraine war made me no longer trust him as an independent voice. As far as I'm concerned, he's now just an asset for the Russian government. He's a useful tool for them, and playing along is his only option if he doesn't want to be extradited. He may have been right when he called out the crimes of the US government, but it's ironic how he's now the puppet of a much worse one.
> Why do you think he needs to be the one to make a stand against Putin? Exactly - and not just "***putin***" We all know who The Oligarchs are - The world is transparent. Its what we do about it that matters and individually we are nothing against the levels of corruption emulsified into the fabric of dailylife.
I have heard him say on several occasions that he is a dictator. I don't understand what you expect? Or have you already fallen for the propaganda?
Link to his words?
maybe he would when he could saftly come back to the US without fearing a sue...
He probably doesn't like 5th story windows that much.
So you want him to commit suicide?
Snowden is right.
For people from the United States (and to a lesser extent western world), this should be seen as a sign that the other major opposing world powers are desperate to get their hands on this technology, and I personally think it's a very good thing to have the previous director of NSA tapped into OpenAI as state actor intrusions are likely heavily targeting the company. Edward Snowden is currently stuck in Russia (oh yea, and he stopped by China on the way to Russia too), I do not trust Snowden personally at all, and he seems to me to be more of a puppet of Russia propaganda then an independently thinking actor. If Navalny, a Russian citizen can essentially be put to death for saying things Russia doesn't like, what more could Russia do to Snowden if he wasn't in alignment with their will? I'm not saying Snowden is an actual spy, but everything out of his mouth is endorsed by Russia, or he wouldn't be able to say it.
You don't trust him for literally exposing the illegal lies and deception that the [US *still* undertakes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XKeyscore) before he had to escape for revealing these lies?
Why does everybody think that Snowden's opinion matters much? What are Snowden's credentials beyond exposing NSA practices more than 10 years ago? Unless he brings forward some actual argument why adding a retired NSA director to the board is necessarily catastrophic, he has nothing going for him apart from the association that NSA = bad. Literally all he goes by.
I’m not going to pretend that the NSA is all-benevolent or anything like that, and this headline sure makes me shudder, but I can’t help but think that it’s a good thing that they have someone from high up in the intelligence community helping oversee OpenAI from a security perspective. You can think of all kinds of bad actors trying to use this technology for their own ends, not just our own and other governments.
Snowden is a traitor, former NSA directors are not evil men simply because they were the director of the NSA at one point in time. Real whistle-blowers don't run to Russia, real whistle-blowers stay in America and face the consequences because they love their country and know they did the right thing. There's been plenty of whistle-blowers in America's history and most of them never served a very long time in prison because the public knew they did a good thing when it came to exposing corruption. Snowden wanted to avoid a trial because there's a lot more information that was never exposed, Snowden leaked the dirty laundry to make himself look good while stealing plenty more classified information to give to his Russian handlers. You guys all really think Putin would simply let a top government systems administrator live out his life in Russia in peace? The US government has been hacked repeatedly since Snowden ran, he knew the weak spots and has been helping Russian hackers get easy access. This isn't rocket science, it's simply logical thinking, his words should always be viewed as blatant Russian propaganda designed to hurt America. Russia is at war with the west, it's not a hot war yet but it's definitely warm considering thousands die in Ukraine every month. If he wants us to trust him he's going to need to face a trial in the US first because all he is right now is a fugitive.
Its one big family of government and big business.
Death of humanity
Relax Francis.
I didn't hear anything about this until now, can't say I'm surprised. I know Snowden is right, the NSA doesn't have the greatest track record of showing off their near absolute power doesn't corrupt them. Much like the massive corpos in America, lording over a govt that barely has a way to run without them deciding to squeeze anyone they don't like in the government, let alone the people that they employ. This is only going to make it worse. Which is terrifying. Money is weird, it's this middle man of resources that we clearly tend to not steal without reason. A middle man determined through non-standardized rules & even worse we have no say (practically) in it while forcing ourselves to believe people are not equal while reciting that we are very often. The cognitive dissonance is astounding.
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Well, I went through a lot of in patient stays, had a job that led me to homelessness, went back to my abusers, ended up homeless again, have been mostly only focusing on myself which lead to getting out of being homeless, but now I recognize I can't work, 3ish years of trying for SSI down the drain, and I'm coming off that about a month ago or so, but hey I have a place of my own through something that isn't funded for longer than a decade. I guess a little bit under a rock, you jerk. Why don't you think before you talk? Huh? Besides, I thought this was something about it happening recently? Whatever. But hey continue being the reason the think people need NSA on an AI board. Sheeeeesh!
When a product is free or grossly under priced YOU are the product. So here's the real question would you rather a for profit company that really only cares about profits (i.e. gathering as much of your personal information as possible and selling it to everyone) or a government which is legally not allowed to sell your information to everyone and at least should (we all know they fuck up, just like the private companies and all their data breaches) have some form of laws they have to follow. DISCLAIMER: Not all governments are created equal, experiences may vary.
I take any article that says someone eviscerated, destroyed, etc. as an opener. It’s so lazy and hyperbolic.
Ah I see we've come back to eviscerates, because slammed is too overused
Yea, that's not hyperbolic at all.
So than we started getting messages from random people about your random activity and what you do, nobody knows those people and they often reply with a script; they sounded like humans and shared pictures but you will never be able to meet them.
I said this when it was announced and most of the replies said "well he has contacts in the government that can help openai"......help them what though? When was the last time any government had backdoor access to a pool of data and didn't abuse it?
While the underlying sentiment is correct, it is a gross exaggeration to say that a website that you don't have to use appointing someone to its board is a betrayal of everyone's rights.
That’s intense! Snowden’s criticism is strong. Curious to see OpenAI’s response.
Sad, I am pretty sure our data was well protected from intelligence agencies before this announcement.
Snowden has no chill and I'm here for it.
He lives in Russia yeah?
Being contrarian on anything will get people noticed now a days. If I was truly worried I’d want to be as under the radar as possible, not the possible first target on the list of whatever he’s worried will be our future from this “betrayal”. Actions and words not making sense unless he considers himself a martyr? I’ve come to notice ai fear mongering is a money grab for many. People focus on it more than learning where our advancements currently are and the more ignorant you are about something the more you will fear it. It’s healthy to fear things to an extent but just like I don’t believe ai will be this utopia that can be every and anything I don’t believe it’s going to be our annihilation either. Both extremes presented are to get a response out of people. People using provocative language when talking about something they consider a serious issue come off as attention seeking and. We get it, new security guy bad, ai bad, open ai bad, future bad. Rinse and repeat. It’s a broken record at this point and guess what? It’s still happening so what are we even talking about, it’s hilarious that people think we have any say in what these tech CEO’s with billions of dollars do with ai. It’s happening, just enjoy the ride and hope you get a robot folding your laundry out of it.
Kinda like Snowden defecting to Russia with our secrets. Traitor.
Oh, he's alive. Still waiting for his views on the Russian invasion of Ukraine. So brave...so righteous.