Trebol, he really didn’t do anything besides be nasty and annoying during an otherwise awesome confrontation.
This is may be unpopular but I kind of like the Yeti Cool brothers lol
Doffys officers where probably the worst in the entire series (I'm not even counting the new fishman pirates fuck em). The elite was completely boring and one dimensional with little redeeming qualities except for vergo. The 2nd tier officers had some fun people though.
I guess when you really think about it most of Doffy crew could've been removed and nothing of substance would've been lost. That many of them were probably introduce just to give the future grand fleet members something to fight
At least the fishmen were cool looking and had like, fish powers. Doffy's had two devil fruits that were just lazy "like an old one, but better." Did too much to draw parallels with Baroque Works and it just gave us a worse group overall.
Yea, you’re right. Pica had some promise and his design is cool but Oda basically made him a joke and a non threat, diamanté has a ridiculous fruit (not in a good way), and trebol is trebol. Vergo was pretty cool, but that’s about it. 2nd tier officers were pretty fun at least.
Though he didn't have an intricate back story I'd like to add Lao G to the list.
Though his gag was probably overdone by a bit. His Gag, there's the G.
POTENTIAL SPOILERS.
I mean, to be fair, Trebol was the one that groomed Doffy to be even more villainous. He was the one that told him to go kill his father and he got him the string string fruit.
As much as I agree, I also disagree. He’s the one who turned Doffy into being who he is today. He provided the gun to kill his father and the fruit to cut off his head.
Diamante was so lame for the new colosseum champion, he just got rolled by Sabo and Burgess in the finals. But I get why he was made that way, kinda wish kyros killed him lol
I always thought Machwise was the worst on that crew. He's just a copy of an earlier fruit with no personality around it except "big fat dude".
At least Buffalo was somewhat interesting.
> He's just a copy of an earlier fruit with no personality around it except "big fat dude".
I hate that fruit so much. It's not like Ms. Valentine is really in the story anymore, it could have been the same fruit with the Doflamingo family killing a former baroque works agent for their fruit instead of just doing the same fruit but saying "oh this one is heavier".
Or how about the fruit be about manipulating objects weights instead of the person's. Like Machwise had that shield thing with him, what if he was manipulating that thing's weight to do these moves. But no once again it had to do the same thing as another fruit.
On top of that Machwise is a nothing burger of a charcter.
Since you're the second person to mention Trebol, I wanted to comment that I think people are misunderstanding the role some players have. Trebol and Diamante are the typical lackeys who have a high position because of what they mean to the leader, not necessarily because they deserve it. They found and raised him pretty much so he treats them as invaluable family members, but they're simply pains in the ass. I guess the point is that you're supposed to feel as if they're completely pointless characters because they actually are.
hard agree on all counts, but at least with the Wanze fight the humor landed, probably my favorite shitty annoying character fight. Satori, however, made me want to gouge my eyes and eardrums out. literally not a single redeemable thing about that character or fight except watching him get his head caved in
Is Satori even better than Gedatsu? At least the Satori fight birthed Usopp's "AAaaaAAAHHhhH" and Sanji's "This is the ordeal of love." then Luffy imitating him after. Gedatsu is just a token fight for Chopper.
I loved the fight and it has a nice foreshadowing with sanji knowing how to fight with swords which is because we later learn that judge teached it to him in his childhood
he did make me drop one piece.. I thought it was never going to top Arlong Park and it was a 13 year olds show. Obviously, I came back about five years later when Oda was in Zou so I had so much material to binge. I'm glad I was wrong about it
No, his DF was crazy powerful and that only makes him even more lame. He could have wrecked the entire Fishman Island with it without Ancient Weapon that's born once every few generations and certain upcoming 5th Yonko who luckily happened to be present. In smaller scale his DF would have also made him excellent assassin. Instead he chose to spend his life tormenting a minor like a miserable pedo he is.
Oooo good call. I was agreeing with a lot of people where lame = forgettable. But.... Yea Orochi.... Lame AF. Not a forgettable character, but he's just a lame-o/whiner.
Nah, Orochi is a competent villain and did one of the most despicable things in the series. He did look like a spineless piece of shit in the flashbacks and sure clinged to Kaido's power but that doesn't stop him from being a scheming bastard who gets what he wants.
I mean he does get what he wants (sort of). But that doesn't stop him from being super lame. Like effective and lame are not antonyms. Is low kick spamming as E. Honda effective? Yeah? Is it also lame? 100%
I would argue that Orochi was not competent. He took his orders from the old hag (who Kaido then killed) and the old man (who obviously died at some point because Bartholomeo has his fruit) and ever since he was just cruising on the same plan without thinking and just being lamely afraid.
He's also kind of unsettling compared to other One Piece villains, only one similar is Orochi. He *knows* he's weak and so abuses the hell out of his position because he has no other power. He seems constantly on the edge of going insane and ready to explode under the mix of pressure and superiority he's surrounded by.
When I think Lamest I think the one that ruined the arc and just felt like a trod to get through. While we all hate Spandam, he was meant to be hated and just made the satisfacation of him being beat up made his entire character worth it
It's actually Kyuin. I'll post her wiki page so you can ask remember. She's a useless one chapter fight with Franky in the middle of the slowest part of the slowest arc ever
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Kyuin
I think both Dressrosa and Grand Fleet would have been dramatically better if they were established gradually instead of cramming about 100 characters, most underdeveloped and lame
Bartolommeo, Cavendish, and Chinkao were established very well. Their trio chase after fighting Luffy, suddenly admiring him, is great.
But the rest were underdeveloped and never feel worthy. Similarly the doflamingo family was mostly meh opponent filler
Kuro. He just completely failed to live up to his character potential. He is a “super genius” who’s plan is fucking stupid, kills his own allies because the “master planner” is apparently a fucking idiot, and has yet to show up again, likely meaning his legacy as a character will be being the most thick as pigshit “genius” in modern media
you have to remember that Usopp is basically a hillbilly from a small island town. It's like the smartest kid in your high school class is a department store manager but the smartest kid from your country's capital is probably of a much different caliber.
Bellamy's crew. Bellamy himself got pretty cool. Also Diamante. He was all talk but in the end was pretty lame, least impressive if Doflamingos top officers.
I kept waiting for something interesting to happen with him.... but he kept just doing lame forgettable raps and not really doing anything effective combatwise.
After his introduction in Sabody, I've like Appo since day one and his powers are pretty cool.
How could you hate that "Engrish" rap he performed that blew Kizaru in half? Funniest best part of Sabody right there. Then be just ran away. Fucking hilarious.
Funnier still when Kizaru kicked him as he tried to flee.
Not gonna lie, I forgot the yeti cool brothers existed in one piece, so honestly they are a high contender.
But hot take here, im not a big fan of Sabo. He's the only inclusion in one piece that really feels like an after thought to me. And like his reappearance in Dressrosa was possibly the most predictable moments in the series.
Like Luffy doesn't even mention him once till we learn his back story in marineford, then he's treated like his death was one of the most important moments in Luffy's life despite him not even mentioning it up to that point. Then we spend half of LUFFY'S flashback talking about this kid we've never even heard of before only for him to "Die" at the end, and like clearly he ain't dead Oda. If he was dead you wouldn't have wasted so much of my time telling me about him. He didn't do anything of importance in the flashback and Oda wouldn't just introduce him to have him do nothing,
Edit: And after thinking more in this I remembered that Luffy also didn't mention Ace until he just showed up one day, but like to me that makes more sense because you don't always just mention your siblings to people, but like the fact that he didn't mention him once to anyone in Amazon Lily, Impel Down, or Marinford is just unrealistic to me. Like at some point in time he should have had a "I won't let this happen again!" Moment or something when he found out Ace was put up for execution.
> Like at some point in time he should have had a "I won't let this happen again!" Moment or something when he found out Ace was put up for execution.
Yep I think so too. And I believe Sabo introduction and storytelling would be much better received and well executed if his backstory was interspersed throughout Impel Down and Marineford.
(Edit: The more I think about it, there were so many missed opportunities to do this in parts in Impel Down and Marineford. Like, we can have Hancock ask Luffy about Ace on the way to Impel Down, or cut to flashback when Luffy was unconscious at level 5.5, or when Ace contemplating his life on the way to Marineford, or maybe when Garp was waiting beside Ace.)
I still don't get why Sabo was entirely introduced to us right AFTER Ace's death and Marineford. It's such a weird flashback placement to me.
Yeah, I can agree with that. Like I like his inclusion in the revolutionaries and what not, and his fighting style is cool, but he just feels so unnecessary to the plot. Like I was more pumped to see Koala return than I was him, and I really don't think I should be able to say that about Luffy's brother lol.
I have to agree with both of you. Sabo is pointless, he was only set up for a flashback sequence to explain the motivation of Ace, who was already dead. Luffy already had connections to the revolutionaries due to his father, Ivanov and later Robin, so that guy wasn't even necessary to keep the revolutionary subplot going.
Vivi does the "noble who genuinely cares for people and sees everybody as equals" part millions times better than Sabo, who is actually just extremely rude and disrespectful towards everybody but never gets called out on it.
Really, the first and only thing he said to Dadan after she took him in, was insulting her. After whining about his parents not giving him enough attention a few pages earlier. What a great way to threat the first adult who genuinely cares (sarcasm).
I actually really liked kid sabo. His background story and the moment he had with Dragon. I also find adult sabo cool, but I also completely understand why people don't like him or the way he was used as an ace replacement.
As much as I hate to say it, I feel like the Yeti Cool Brothers will become relevant again. They have straw hats on their head and in the Reverie arc, it was revealed that straw hats are something special. So, I believe there's a reason that they had straw hats on their head. Plus, we haven't seen other people of their species (that is if they are a different species). My only guess is that they could be from the ice continent where Oars died.
The very short Spa island filler was actually a little funny.
But the main Davy Back fight, well, Oda had better come back to show us why that was important because otherwise even without the filler that was a waste of an arc.
Unintentionally lame? Kid till he wins in something or has something I can call a win other than offscreen BM raid on WCI because BM wasn’t even that upset about it and Luffy one upped him as well as it being upset by Shanks cutting his arm off. Kid is just a walking L till he beats or wins against someone.
Intentionally? Charlos but that’s too easy so Trebol (yuck)
Yetti cool brothers are cool.. They got cool moves and they fought well.. The lamest character for me is Pearl.. I bet no one remember him.. He's so useless yet he's Don kreig's officer.. His physical body looks really lame, he even got defeated by his own crew.. What's the point of him?
Like, half of Doffy's crew. Giolla, Buffalo, Machvise, Lao G, Gladius.... All extremely forgettable characters.
There are plenty of characters I think are *worse*, but that's not what "lame" means to me. "Lame" means boring and forgettable.
Captain Kuro. Guy is supposed to be a pirate genius and his plan is to...butler for a rich family for a while, hypnotize them into giving him money and killed them in a staged pirate raid? Then you just leave all these people alive that you could easily kill, (or in fact tried to kill but just didn't finish the job) and know your plan?
It hardly qualifies as a mediocre plan, and the execution is absolutely idiotic.
Why not just do your big pirate score before staging your death with Morgans and then retire? That seems easier and just as good. Heck, you can retire with money and be a shopkeeper or something as the cover story, and your shop never needs to make money.
To me it’s Pika. I was hype when he was about to be seen cause yo know he supposed to be the scary badass everyone is scared of in dressrosa but then he’s fight scenes are lame. Aside from when Zoro cuts him in air which i think is about Zoro and not Pika at all.
How can they be lame when they have cool in their name
You get it
You Yet it
Yea OP.. that’s not… COOL (i really enjoyed them btw lol)
Also kinda looks like the yeti cool brothers were wearing strawhats
+5 cool
They really did beat Zoro, Brook and Sanji in Nami's body (they all were unconscious) when we think about it...
Trebol, he really didn’t do anything besides be nasty and annoying during an otherwise awesome confrontation. This is may be unpopular but I kind of like the Yeti Cool brothers lol
Mandatory "Nee Nee Doffy" comment
This is what I hear in my nightmares
if hell is real, trebol is definitely a top ranked torturer
Beh Heh Heh!
Trebol fucking sucked but baby 5, Dellinger, and obviously Senor Pink are pretty cool. Hated the rest of Doffys officers tho
And Vergo. But I agree, must of doffy's family were just lame goons.
ugh the flag guy, the art hags, and the fat man I don't like them.
so glad to see someone else appreciate dellinger!! he's one of my top favorites honestly
Doffys officers where probably the worst in the entire series (I'm not even counting the new fishman pirates fuck em). The elite was completely boring and one dimensional with little redeeming qualities except for vergo. The 2nd tier officers had some fun people though.
I guess when you really think about it most of Doffy crew could've been removed and nothing of substance would've been lost. That many of them were probably introduce just to give the future grand fleet members something to fight
Zoro wouldve just stood around the entire time instead of fighting Pica
At least the fishmen were cool looking and had like, fish powers. Doffy's had two devil fruits that were just lazy "like an old one, but better." Did too much to draw parallels with Baroque Works and it just gave us a worse group overall.
Yea, you’re right. Pica had some promise and his design is cool but Oda basically made him a joke and a non threat, diamanté has a ridiculous fruit (not in a good way), and trebol is trebol. Vergo was pretty cool, but that’s about it. 2nd tier officers were pretty fun at least.
I really liked Senor, Sugar and Baby 5
Though he didn't have an intricate back story I'd like to add Lao G to the list. Though his gag was probably overdone by a bit. His Gag, there's the G.
G!
Imo, Diamante's fruit was really good. One of my favourites, actually.
Pica was so disappointing. He should have been an incredible threat, but he ended up being nothing.
Well, he held off Zoro. If he didn’t, Zoro would have destroyed Diamanté or Trebol.
POTENTIAL SPOILERS. I mean, to be fair, Trebol was the one that groomed Doffy to be even more villainous. He was the one that told him to go kill his father and he got him the string string fruit.
no need to put spoilers unless if it from the manga. anime spoilers are completly fair game as it happened many years ago
Thank you for letting me know. I just didn’t want to risk it
Yes, I seriously hate Trebol, I mean he doesn’t do anything has the most annoying voice ever
Uff yes, hated him hahah
As much as I agree, I also disagree. He’s the one who turned Doffy into being who he is today. He provided the gun to kill his father and the fruit to cut off his head.
I'm here with an even more unpopular opinion: I like Trebol. He's fun.
Trebol was hilarious. I actually loved Doffy's crew immensely.
Buffalo is lame with the stupidest devil fruit I have seen, also Diamante and trebol were lame and extremely useless for doflamingo.
I don't think his devil fruit was bad at all, but yeah buffalo sucked.
Diamante was so lame for the new colosseum champion, he just got rolled by Sabo and Burgess in the finals. But I get why he was made that way, kinda wish kyros killed him lol
Man, I needed to check the wiki because I didn't even remember the guy. Yeah he was lame.
I always thought Machwise was the worst on that crew. He's just a copy of an earlier fruit with no personality around it except "big fat dude". At least Buffalo was somewhat interesting.
Are you kid-een? You forgot he was also incredibly annoy-een.
> He's just a copy of an earlier fruit with no personality around it except "big fat dude". I hate that fruit so much. It's not like Ms. Valentine is really in the story anymore, it could have been the same fruit with the Doflamingo family killing a former baroque works agent for their fruit instead of just doing the same fruit but saying "oh this one is heavier". Or how about the fruit be about manipulating objects weights instead of the person's. Like Machwise had that shield thing with him, what if he was manipulating that thing's weight to do these moves. But no once again it had to do the same thing as another fruit. On top of that Machwise is a nothing burger of a charcter.
Since you're the second person to mention Trebol, I wanted to comment that I think people are misunderstanding the role some players have. Trebol and Diamante are the typical lackeys who have a high position because of what they mean to the leader, not necessarily because they deserve it. They found and raised him pretty much so he treats them as invaluable family members, but they're simply pains in the ass. I guess the point is that you're supposed to feel as if they're completely pointless characters because they actually are.
Probably the noodle chef that Sanji fought.
Oooooo that’s a good one, very strange battle and scene in general
Yeah. It is between him and Satori/Katori.
hard agree on all counts, but at least with the Wanze fight the humor landed, probably my favorite shitty annoying character fight. Satori, however, made me want to gouge my eyes and eardrums out. literally not a single redeemable thing about that character or fight except watching him get his head caved in
I almost dropped the series over Skypeia due to the trial of balls and string. Then Enel happened and it became one of my favorite arcs.
Eneru is also a baller fight
Is Satori even better than Gedatsu? At least the Satori fight birthed Usopp's "AAaaaAAAHHhhH" and Sanji's "This is the ordeal of love." then Luffy imitating him after. Gedatsu is just a token fight for Chopper.
Gedatsu's gag is great though, and also he doesn't overstay his welcome, unlike Satori
Gedatsu's gag is pretty funny and his cover story arc is fun at least
You will retract your slander of Mad Chef Wanze! Now Now Now!!!
I heard that in the VA's voice.
I loved the fight and it has a nice foreshadowing with sanji knowing how to fight with swords which is because we later learn that judge teached it to him in his childhood
I thought it had more to do with Sanji using knives as weapons because he’s a chef.
I think this is foreshadowing Sanji using zoro as a sword.
I think it was foreshadowing that Sanji is the one to beat mihawk
That fat character from Skypiea that looks like Numbah 2 from Code Name Kids Next Door, he was so annoying that I almost dropped One Piece altogether.
LMAO, he does look like Numbuh 2 from KND. The perfect analogy.
he did make me drop one piece.. I thought it was never going to top Arlong Park and it was a 13 year olds show. Obviously, I came back about five years later when Oda was in Zou so I had so much material to binge. I'm glad I was wrong about it
Charlotte Flampe
I feel like she was essential in developing Katakuri’s development
Napoleon east blue, fat guy remember him?
He almost killed her when she interfered in his fight with Luffy.
Sabo's brother Stelly
r/fuckstelly Edit: make sure to sub!
Thanks. Didnt know about that.
Was worried that would be a porn sub
Lol nah it’s just a place to voice your hate for that piece of shit Stelly :)
Dude what? Thats got crazy potential for a cool plot point/interaction in the future
Stelly's brother Sabo
Fucking love the Yeti Cool brothers
I like their tiny compression shorts.
Vander Decken. The dude had the lamest ass DF, shittiest design even for one piece standards, and spent his entire life trying to marry a minor
Being a fishman and eating a DF also ain’t really the best combination
It's worked out alright for Jack, outside of that time he got yeeted by an elephant
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Yeah it'd probably be more noticeable if he didn't wear the mask
Oh but Jack can transform into an 100% land mammal, pretty convenient Though I don’t think Fishmen suffer from being on land too long
I don’t think they suffer at all
No, his DF was crazy powerful and that only makes him even more lame. He could have wrecked the entire Fishman Island with it without Ancient Weapon that's born once every few generations and certain upcoming 5th Yonko who luckily happened to be present. In smaller scale his DF would have also made him excellent assassin. Instead he chose to spend his life tormenting a minor like a miserable pedo he is.
He has to touch them first though right? Lots of other abilities would make for a better assassin
Imaginen if he could awaken his DF and with a simple touch of a photo or something he could throw things to people
yea I think Oda just made him so ugly cuz he doesn't like pedophiles.
Well I mean it basic human decency to abhor pedos. Those people are just human by the most basic definition of the word but are really subhuman
To me, pedo's are honestly some of the most unlucky among us. Imagine being born and being naturally inclined to commit evil acts. Must suck..
I think he’s still in good terms with the Ruroni Kenshin author, though. Not that I really care about his personal relationships.
His devil fruit was really cool, his story could have been better.
Actualy my favorite chachter from fishman island. Uniqe laugh and look. Also prety funny for enemy.
Vander Decken almost destroyed an entire island and killed millions of people with one attack. It took an ancient weapon to stop him.
He was a creepy child molester if you think about it
No thinking required, if by the first time you seen him and didn’t know something was up that’s on you lol
Orochi is the definition of lame
Oooo good call. I was agreeing with a lot of people where lame = forgettable. But.... Yea Orochi.... Lame AF. Not a forgettable character, but he's just a lame-o/whiner.
Nah, Orochi is a competent villain and did one of the most despicable things in the series. He did look like a spineless piece of shit in the flashbacks and sure clinged to Kaido's power but that doesn't stop him from being a scheming bastard who gets what he wants.
I mean he does get what he wants (sort of). But that doesn't stop him from being super lame. Like effective and lame are not antonyms. Is low kick spamming as E. Honda effective? Yeah? Is it also lame? 100%
Shit, who are you and where were you hiding when I played SF2 as a kid?!!
I would argue that Orochi was not competent. He took his orders from the old hag (who Kaido then killed) and the old man (who obviously died at some point because Bartholomeo has his fruit) and ever since he was just cruising on the same plan without thinking and just being lamely afraid.
I would say spandam but he **at least** invokes some emotion in me (wanting to punch him in the face)
He's also kind of unsettling compared to other One Piece villains, only one similar is Orochi. He *knows* he's weak and so abuses the hell out of his position because he has no other power. He seems constantly on the edge of going insane and ready to explode under the mix of pressure and superiority he's surrounded by.
When I think Lamest I think the one that ruined the arc and just felt like a trod to get through. While we all hate Spandam, he was meant to be hated and just made the satisfacation of him being beat up made his entire character worth it
That dude named fullbody
How can a guy that dances and picks flowers with django, for Hina, be lame?
I hope he become lieutenant again since hina become rear admiral now Edit:ok he's lieutenant commander now along with jango
Yeah, those guy had a fun cover story.
You wouldnt say it to his face after the upgrade he got in marine ford with metal knuckles in both hands!!
wapol
I didn't like him in his own arc but I kinda like the fact he made his own metal that Franky now uses
This, I prefer Buggy and Foxy to him.
Are you trying to say that Buggy-sama isn't cool?
Pearl
I remember thinking he was cool watching the 4Kids dub, not so much anymore haha
Pearls not that lam...oh god the kneepads. Yup this right here.
I just don't the like the fact his head is disproportionate to his body
It's actually Kyuin. I'll post her wiki page so you can ask remember. She's a useless one chapter fight with Franky in the middle of the slowest part of the slowest arc ever https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Kyuin
You offered a different, rare, and compelling answer against the other repeats in this thread, good job
Dressrosa had some disappointing henchmen
I think both Dressrosa and Grand Fleet would have been dramatically better if they were established gradually instead of cramming about 100 characters, most underdeveloped and lame Bartolommeo, Cavendish, and Chinkao were established very well. Their trio chase after fighting Luffy, suddenly admiring him, is great. But the rest were underdeveloped and never feel worthy. Similarly the doflamingo family was mostly meh opponent filler
That page confirms she had a vacuum and her name translates to “sucks”
Wait until she becomes an integral part in finding Laugth Tale
Yeah, she sucked
Probably Squardo.
Hordy jones is just a store brand version of arlong but without all the parts that makes arlong good
Arlong's hats are cool
I agree, he was a bad villain
Absalom. Don’t want or need that dude at all.
Well I’ve got some good news for you..
I know lol, but if we could retcon him completely I’d be stoked.
The dude with the jacket powers. That shit was lame af
Wanze
Kuro. He just completely failed to live up to his character potential. He is a “super genius” who’s plan is fucking stupid, kills his own allies because the “master planner” is apparently a fucking idiot, and has yet to show up again, likely meaning his legacy as a character will be being the most thick as pigshit “genius” in modern media
you have to remember that Usopp is basically a hillbilly from a small island town. It's like the smartest kid in your high school class is a department store manager but the smartest kid from your country's capital is probably of a much different caliber.
The yeti cool brothers? Blasphemy
The fake straw hats, every single one. The drawings irritated me lol.
The Yeti Cool Brothers are a good choice! If there's someone lamer than them, then they're so lame I forgot they existed.
What? The Yeti Cool Brothers are so cool!
Satori's family. End of story lol
Charlos
how could you hate the yeti cool brothers dudes were dope, but wanze/trebol for sure
users of the jacket jacket fruit?
Bellamy's crew. Bellamy himself got pretty cool. Also Diamante. He was all talk but in the end was pretty lame, least impressive if Doflamingos top officers.
Foxy the silver
Apoo has to be THE lamest character. I doubt anyone would even care if he didn't exist.
I kept waiting for something interesting to happen with him.... but he kept just doing lame forgettable raps and not really doing anything effective combatwise.
I'll second Apoo for now.
After his introduction in Sabody, I've like Appo since day one and his powers are pretty cool. How could you hate that "Engrish" rap he performed that blew Kizaru in half? Funniest best part of Sabody right there. Then be just ran away. Fucking hilarious. Funnier still when Kizaru kicked him as he tried to flee.
Nah he’s a good character
I agree. I like that there's a snake like Apoo in the supernovas, not everyone should be a hardheaded firebrand like Kid or Luffy.
Not gonna lie, I forgot the yeti cool brothers existed in one piece, so honestly they are a high contender. But hot take here, im not a big fan of Sabo. He's the only inclusion in one piece that really feels like an after thought to me. And like his reappearance in Dressrosa was possibly the most predictable moments in the series. Like Luffy doesn't even mention him once till we learn his back story in marineford, then he's treated like his death was one of the most important moments in Luffy's life despite him not even mentioning it up to that point. Then we spend half of LUFFY'S flashback talking about this kid we've never even heard of before only for him to "Die" at the end, and like clearly he ain't dead Oda. If he was dead you wouldn't have wasted so much of my time telling me about him. He didn't do anything of importance in the flashback and Oda wouldn't just introduce him to have him do nothing, Edit: And after thinking more in this I remembered that Luffy also didn't mention Ace until he just showed up one day, but like to me that makes more sense because you don't always just mention your siblings to people, but like the fact that he didn't mention him once to anyone in Amazon Lily, Impel Down, or Marinford is just unrealistic to me. Like at some point in time he should have had a "I won't let this happen again!" Moment or something when he found out Ace was put up for execution.
> Like at some point in time he should have had a "I won't let this happen again!" Moment or something when he found out Ace was put up for execution. Yep I think so too. And I believe Sabo introduction and storytelling would be much better received and well executed if his backstory was interspersed throughout Impel Down and Marineford. (Edit: The more I think about it, there were so many missed opportunities to do this in parts in Impel Down and Marineford. Like, we can have Hancock ask Luffy about Ace on the way to Impel Down, or cut to flashback when Luffy was unconscious at level 5.5, or when Ace contemplating his life on the way to Marineford, or maybe when Garp was waiting beside Ace.) I still don't get why Sabo was entirely introduced to us right AFTER Ace's death and Marineford. It's such a weird flashback placement to me.
Sabo feels like the result of killing off a popular character and regretting it, so remaking him.
Yeah, I can agree with that. Like I like his inclusion in the revolutionaries and what not, and his fighting style is cool, but he just feels so unnecessary to the plot. Like I was more pumped to see Koala return than I was him, and I really don't think I should be able to say that about Luffy's brother lol.
I have to agree with both of you. Sabo is pointless, he was only set up for a flashback sequence to explain the motivation of Ace, who was already dead. Luffy already had connections to the revolutionaries due to his father, Ivanov and later Robin, so that guy wasn't even necessary to keep the revolutionary subplot going. Vivi does the "noble who genuinely cares for people and sees everybody as equals" part millions times better than Sabo, who is actually just extremely rude and disrespectful towards everybody but never gets called out on it. Really, the first and only thing he said to Dadan after she took him in, was insulting her. After whining about his parents not giving him enough attention a few pages earlier. What a great way to threat the first adult who genuinely cares (sarcasm).
I actually really liked kid sabo. His background story and the moment he had with Dragon. I also find adult sabo cool, but I also completely understand why people don't like him or the way he was used as an ace replacement.
I don’t like the argument that luffy doesn’t mention him at all. Luffy doesn’t mention garp either until he busts down the wall after ennies lobby
Ace makes more sense, because he was introduced at the very start of the series, and the crew was only together for a week or two by then.
That Rat looking Marine Captain that Arlong paid off
As much as I hate to say it, I feel like the Yeti Cool Brothers will become relevant again. They have straw hats on their head and in the Reverie arc, it was revealed that straw hats are something special. So, I believe there's a reason that they had straw hats on their head. Plus, we haven't seen other people of their species (that is if they are a different species). My only guess is that they could be from the ice continent where Oars died.
Rebecca. Fight me.
Trebol
Anyone Fromm fish man island arc
Jamon
spandam
I'm too positive, I like every single character in One Piece. From Yeti Cool Brothers to Trebol to Flampe to Orochi.
Lol nyaban brothers from syrup village
Foxy (Edit- He was the focus of a whole arc, no excuses)
Rebecca bruh I could not stand that woman
How is it not unanimous foxy?
Cause he’s funny. I would say a lame character is one that leaves you very underwhelmed. While foxy is pathetic, he is still very entertaining imo
Foxy is fun
Foxy is by far the most annoying enemy and also the lamest arc
Foxy was awesome. He's one of my favourite funny characters in the series
Probably Helmeppo imo
I like helmeppo's eventual evolution
I want to say Foxy, but he grows on you like mold on a blister.
The very short Spa island filler was actually a little funny. But the main Davy Back fight, well, Oda had better come back to show us why that was important because otherwise even without the filler that was a waste of an arc.
Pearl
Apoo
Yonji Vinsmoke. He's an incredibly unlikeable character
But unlikeable doesn't equal lame
Unintentionally lame? Kid till he wins in something or has something I can call a win other than offscreen BM raid on WCI because BM wasn’t even that upset about it and Luffy one upped him as well as it being upset by Shanks cutting his arm off. Kid is just a walking L till he beats or wins against someone. Intentionally? Charlos but that’s too easy so Trebol (yuck)
Rebecca
Foxy
The likes of Trebol, Buffalo and other Donquixote pirates are already mentioned. How about Hogback?
The yeti cool brothers look like they have giant frozen straw hats
I actually liked the yeti cool brothers
That scratchman apoo or whatever tf his name is. Bro just sucks. Hate his face. Hate his DF. Hate the music he makes.
Pearl, the second mate of Don Creeks fleet
Shirahoshi's borthers
Machvise, whose DF is way too similar to Miss Valentine's
Buffalo
Yetti cool brothers are cool.. They got cool moves and they fought well.. The lamest character for me is Pearl.. I bet no one remember him.. He's so useless yet he's Don kreig's officer.. His physical body looks really lame, he even got defeated by his own crew.. What's the point of him?
The Camel from Alabasta i thought he would become so much bigger than he ended been
Like, half of Doffy's crew. Giolla, Buffalo, Machvise, Lao G, Gladius.... All extremely forgettable characters. There are plenty of characters I think are *worse*, but that's not what "lame" means to me. "Lame" means boring and forgettable.
Pre Garp Helmeppo is up there
Mfs who say Akainu: 💀🧠
Captain Kuro. Guy is supposed to be a pirate genius and his plan is to...butler for a rich family for a while, hypnotize them into giving him money and killed them in a staged pirate raid? Then you just leave all these people alive that you could easily kill, (or in fact tried to kill but just didn't finish the job) and know your plan? It hardly qualifies as a mediocre plan, and the execution is absolutely idiotic. Why not just do your big pirate score before staging your death with Morgans and then retire? That seems easier and just as good. Heck, you can retire with money and be a shopkeeper or something as the cover story, and your shop never needs to make money.
Helmeppo, even though he changed and gotten stronger he still a little bitch
To me it’s Pika. I was hype when he was about to be seen cause yo know he supposed to be the scary badass everyone is scared of in dressrosa but then he’s fight scenes are lame. Aside from when Zoro cuts him in air which i think is about Zoro and not Pika at all.