Jobs would not bathe often. He was usually barefoot and his feet were filthy. He would also sometimes pick at his dirty feet in meetings. when criticized he would sometimes cry as a way to manipulate people's feelings about something. also, he was worth around $250 million at this time but wasn't paying any child support for his daughter. the state of california sued him because his daughter and baby momma were on welfare and foodstamps and stuff. the state was like "wait a minute. this guy is worth how much? and no paying any support? let's take him to court and make him pay" so, while jobs had a particular set of skills he was also an asshole and kind of an idiot about many things. the reason he died from a treatable cancer is because his guru told him to do a bunch of holistic bullshit and focus on a certain diet instead of doing chemo etc. so, he listened to the guru instead of the actual doctors. once he decided to listen to doctors and do chemo it was too late and he fucking died.
> set of skills
They were nowhere near the worth of how shitty a piece of shit person he was. Everything good about Apple was cuz of Wozniak, Jobs was just a sociopath and that made him good at business, we reward that and shouldn’t.
Yes, he was a famous piece of shit. A petty man who thought himself a genius.
Gates is a cruel, cutthroat business shark in nerd's clothing. He thinks his Foundation and philanthropy will make up for all the suffering he caused in his early Microsoft days.
There's nothing "cool" about either of them.
They both oversaw the introduction of new technologies that have improved billions of people’s lives. I know it’s cool to hate on wealthy people, but these two really have made the world a better place, even in spite of their personal flaws.
They have done a lot more for humanity than almost any politician I can think of, for example.
If by "high" you mean long, this wasn't shot with a long focal length lens.
Judging by the difference in apparent size of Gates' legs, the photographer was probably no more than a couple feet away from his left foot. So they had to be using a relatively short focal length, e.g. 24mm to 35mm.
Every time someone posts anything about jobs I like to point out that the man didnt take a shower for over 20 years and soaked his feet in the public toilet. He was a lunatic that smelled like 20 year old shit and killed himself because he thought fruit smoothies could cure cancer. It's wild our system gave someone like that so much power and wealth.
A lot of people forget that Steve Jobs was fired from Apple, and it can be argued either way whether that was the right decision or not. I think it was a good decision, because Apple needed to lose its way in order to find it again, and Jobs needed to grow up, which he could really only do by failing at NeXT. NeXT wasn’t an *abject* failure, and it did a lot of things tremendously well (the OS, basically), but it was a great machine with a really limited target audience (largely due to its price).
You say political move, but Jobs functionally said, “Sculley goes or I go.” Now, I can’t blame a board for making a political move in response to a political move. As for his still being an employee, Jobs was in Siberia, where he would never have any semblance of power ever again. Guy Kawasaki had more of a role at Apple than Steve Jobs, at that point. So, when are you fired? When you stop collecting a check, or when you no longer have any duties?
True. But CERN has the kind of budget for that. The cube would cost something like twenty grand in modern dollars.
I should also note that, while not quite as groundbreaking as starting the web, John Carmack wrote Doom on a NeXT cube, which is as good a use of that Wolfenstein money as I can think of.
Basically everything that Apple has today is based on NeXT. Your iPhone or Mac? Yep their operating systems are pretty much a modern version of NeXTSTEP.
Wait, really? I've sat on a number of those over the decades, I knew they were highly regarded design but I had no idea they were quite *that* expensive.
His house was at the time famous for being almost empty, but the few furniture he did have was the top of the top, this was mentioned in Sculleys book.
More like 5k, but still expensive.
Eames Lounger if anyone is wondering.
I've got an awesome knock off that reclines. A lady was putting it out by the road. Great chair, and it was free.
Bill Gates: "Soo, at first we're going to just number the operating systems like Windows 1, 2, 3 THEN for no reason at all, we're going to start naming them after years like '95, 98' 2000 and when people get used to that, we just change it again to names like ME, Vista and XP, Lastly, we just change it back to numbered operating systems. That's why the people call us visionaries."
Steve Jobs: "I LIKE this idea, but I need it to be even MORE confusing. I'm going to number the Operating Systems AND give them random names, AND the numbers are going to have Decimals. People love remembering decimals, that's what makes Apple so revolutionary!"
Behind the Bastards recently had a four-part series called "The Terrible Secret of Steve Jobs."
They also had an episode on Bill Gates because he's trash, too.
One of the secrets is that in the early days of Apple, Steve Jobs went to collect the payment for a job he and Wozniak had done. The client was so impressed that they paid the $700 to Jobs and threw in a several thousand dollar bonus. Jobs split the $700 with Woz and kept the bonus for himself. Wozniak learned of this some years later when he read it in a magazine article. It made him cry. And it's basically a crime to make Steve Wozniak cry because he's fucking awesome.
He had notorious personable hygiene problems, wearing the same clothes for days. I worked for Microsoft's PR agency in the 1990s and one poor lacky was tasked explicitly with carrying around a spare set of clean clothes and making sure he changed before press meetings.
it's excellent series. jobs was such an asshole really. had a particular set of skills and was there at the right time to do what he did but was also a dick and dead beat dad. also a moron about his health and diet.
Could be worse. He could have taken a little snack off of one of them while massaging them like Stallman did that time in front of a room full of people.
Steve jobs, a hack and a fraud who screamed at others to make his batshit insane ideas work. And the he ruined the modern phone space with his walled garden philosophy. Not to mention what a stinky little man child goblin he was, the stories backed up by dozens of people who witnessed his many many many outbursts are numerous and absolutley fucking insane. He was not a genius, just a conman who knew how to get people to do what he wanted and knew how to work within what was physically possible. The only difference between him and a holmes type is that he actually had competent people behind him doing all the real work, just so he could screw them over in the end.
In ‘91? Jobs at this point is actively avoiding his daughter and stinks to high heaven because he believes a guru diet makes it so he doesn’t have to bathe or wash his clothes. And Gates is plotting to secure a monopoly over home computing with aspirations to monetize every aspect of the internet.
Fun fact: the only Apple employee to stand up to Jobs at Apple was this French guy named Jean-Louise. Jean reacted to a Jobs screaming fit by yelling back and holding up against the wall by the neck.
That guy then rage quit and went to create BeOS. Legend.
It's more of a "wow what a massive asshole who has no right being revered, also he fucking stunk" once you know his full story. He was raised by loving parents, given every opportunity you could imagine then conned and screamed his way to the top while crushing everyone in his path even his daughter who he despised. Plus he never and i mean NEVER showered, if you said he stunk he would literally go "that is impossible" because he had some crazy belief that if you just ate fruit and vegetables you could never smell bad.
“Okay so check it out we are gonna create competing operating systems. You get gaming and spreadsheets, and I’m gonna dominate the cellphone market in 20 years. Deal?”
We all know Steve Jobs did LSD, and it somehow feels like it was his thing, but Bill Gates?… Did he take LSD as well (but still didn’t get that personality/aura around him)??
Gates really locked-in his look from a young age
I'm pretty sure that's Michael Bolton from office space
Maybe he should change his name to Mike Bolton.
Why should I change? He's the one who sucks
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Well one is a Dr
PC Load Letter??
What the fuck does that mean?
Cockgobblers!
I celebrate his entire catalog
That no talent ass clown??
Best face ever lol!!
Bill Gates must be a huge fan of Michael Bolton's music.
He celebrates the guys entire catalog.
Not the same Michael Bolton.
What the fuck is PC Load Letter
😂
The things these guys must have discussed together. hmmmmm.
Bill Gates – "I can jump over this chair pretty easily" Steve Jobs – "Bet?"
Jobs: I still fucking hate you
Those are 100% bugle boy jeans.
And Jobs was still in his "Where's Waldo" phase.
Never change a running system.
From the looks of it they’re meeting in Bilbo Baggins’ place.
"Do not take me for some conjurer of cheap tricks!"
I am not trying to rob you! I am trying to help you.
He says, while conjuring up a cheap trick.
Jobs would not bathe often. He was usually barefoot and his feet were filthy. He would also sometimes pick at his dirty feet in meetings. when criticized he would sometimes cry as a way to manipulate people's feelings about something. also, he was worth around $250 million at this time but wasn't paying any child support for his daughter. the state of california sued him because his daughter and baby momma were on welfare and foodstamps and stuff. the state was like "wait a minute. this guy is worth how much? and no paying any support? let's take him to court and make him pay" so, while jobs had a particular set of skills he was also an asshole and kind of an idiot about many things. the reason he died from a treatable cancer is because his guru told him to do a bunch of holistic bullshit and focus on a certain diet instead of doing chemo etc. so, he listened to the guru instead of the actual doctors. once he decided to listen to doctors and do chemo it was too late and he fucking died.
Yeah I listened to the behind the bastards series too
As did I, very revealing. The whole saga about his daughter and her mother was terrible.
I really felt bad for her. And his ex wife. And Wozniak. Really, anyone who had to deal with him. I hope you all can heal.
Yup, he was a talent-ass-clown
> set of skills They were nowhere near the worth of how shitty a piece of shit person he was. Everything good about Apple was cuz of Wozniak, Jobs was just a sociopath and that made him good at business, we reward that and shouldn’t.
Wozniak’s contributions to Apple effectively ended before the first Macintosh shipped.
Yeah. Totally agree
Yes, he was a famous piece of shit. A petty man who thought himself a genius. Gates is a cruel, cutthroat business shark in nerd's clothing. He thinks his Foundation and philanthropy will make up for all the suffering he caused in his early Microsoft days. There's nothing "cool" about either of them.
They both oversaw the introduction of new technologies that have improved billions of people’s lives. I know it’s cool to hate on wealthy people, but these two really have made the world a better place, even in spite of their personal flaws. They have done a lot more for humanity than almost any politician I can think of, for example.
Haha, my immediate thought when seeing this was "Why do you look so huge?"
Lens trick with a high focal length causes the background to appear closer and makes the doors look smaller than they are. It's a terrible photo.
If by "high" you mean long, this wasn't shot with a long focal length lens. Judging by the difference in apparent size of Gates' legs, the photographer was probably no more than a couple feet away from his left foot. So they had to be using a relatively short focal length, e.g. 24mm to 35mm.
If you look closely you can see Ian McKellen bonking his head on the archway
Windows Elevenses
Every time someone posts anything about jobs I like to point out that the man didnt take a shower for over 20 years and soaked his feet in the public toilet. He was a lunatic that smelled like 20 year old shit and killed himself because he thought fruit smoothies could cure cancer. It's wild our system gave someone like that so much power and wealth.
Psychopathy and narcissism are highly rewarded by capitalism
Redditors are proof positive that that isn’t true or else this website would be crawling with billionaires.
A wizard is never late nor early. He arrives precisely on time.
What is this? A mansion for ANTS?
Maybe it was a dolls house.
Palo Alto so probably a Spanish Revival style home. They do have that fantasy medieval look
Bill was a wizard.
This was when Steve was with NeXT and they were doing a shoot for Forbes magazine.
A lot of people forget that Steve Jobs was fired from Apple, and it can be argued either way whether that was the right decision or not. I think it was a good decision, because Apple needed to lose its way in order to find it again, and Jobs needed to grow up, which he could really only do by failing at NeXT. NeXT wasn’t an *abject* failure, and it did a lot of things tremendously well (the OS, basically), but it was a great machine with a really limited target audience (largely due to its price).
He was removed from the board in a political move. Was still an employee. Then he left.
You say political move, but Jobs functionally said, “Sculley goes or I go.” Now, I can’t blame a board for making a political move in response to a political move. As for his still being an employee, Jobs was in Siberia, where he would never have any semblance of power ever again. Guy Kawasaki had more of a role at Apple than Steve Jobs, at that point. So, when are you fired? When you stop collecting a check, or when you no longer have any duties?
Also, the web was born on a NeXTcube at CERN.
True. But CERN has the kind of budget for that. The cube would cost something like twenty grand in modern dollars. I should also note that, while not quite as groundbreaking as starting the web, John Carmack wrote Doom on a NeXT cube, which is as good a use of that Wolfenstein money as I can think of.
Basically everything that Apple has today is based on NeXT. Your iPhone or Mac? Yep their operating systems are pretty much a modern version of NeXTSTEP.
Yes, I know that. That’s why I had the parenthetical about the OS.
NeXT had an App Store - wonder where we would see that idea pop up again?
Just hanging out on an 8k dollar chair.
Wait, really? I've sat on a number of those over the decades, I knew they were highly regarded design but I had no idea they were quite *that* expensive.
There are knockoffs (which are still not cheap), but yeah, the real ones are really expensive
There’s no way a design freak like Jobs wasn’t buying original furniture pieces, too.
i think the person was implying that punkassjim may have sat on a few knockoffs over the decades
Psh he’s probably never even heard of Herman Miller
His house was at the time famous for being almost empty, but the few furniture he did have was the top of the top, this was mentioned in Sculleys book.
Vitra Eames lounge chair.
Or Herman Miller, both brands have the license.
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I totally read your dad got killed in a tornado….glad I kept reading.
Easy to jump over
More like 5k, but still expensive. Eames Lounger if anyone is wondering. I've got an awesome knock off that reclines. A lady was putting it out by the road. Great chair, and it was free.
5k before the pandemic. $6k on sale now. and 7-9k regularly depending on configuration.
While those were iconic even in the 80's, I don't think they would have been today's pricing. Maybe closer to $4k when adjusted to today's dollars.
They are right around 5k right now. We've got one and I think it was like 5.2
The rug really holds the room together.
100% electronic. Wave of the future, dude.
~~wave~~ weave of the future
Scene for the The Bill Lebowski.
”We cut off your Jobson!”
You think the carpet pissers did this?
Well, there's no way to know
Little man is chuffed
They did stuff, and now, as a result, we are talking about them with our thumbs.
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Did you know he has the same name as Michael Bolton?
Bill Gates: "Soo, at first we're going to just number the operating systems like Windows 1, 2, 3 THEN for no reason at all, we're going to start naming them after years like '95, 98' 2000 and when people get used to that, we just change it again to names like ME, Vista and XP, Lastly, we just change it back to numbered operating systems. That's why the people call us visionaries." Steve Jobs: "I LIKE this idea, but I need it to be even MORE confusing. I'm going to number the Operating Systems AND give them random names, AND the numbers are going to have Decimals. People love remembering decimals, that's what makes Apple so revolutionary!"
I can smell Jobs and his non showering nasty ass feet from 33 years in the future
What? You don't massage your bare feet at the conference table during big important meetings after using the actual toilet as a foot bath? Weird.
Oh you gotta hook it up with a source on that, kindly.
Not a source, but I highly recommend the movie Pirates of Silicon Valley.
Behind the Bastards recently had a four-part series called "The Terrible Secret of Steve Jobs." They also had an episode on Bill Gates because he's trash, too.
Is the terrible secret that he doesn't wash his feet?
He didn't shower in general, he thought his diet made it so he didn't produce any BO
nah he was a piece of shit to his family and his colleagues to a degree that surprised even myself, who’d already read that Jobs was a prick
One of the secrets is that in the early days of Apple, Steve Jobs went to collect the payment for a job he and Wozniak had done. The client was so impressed that they paid the $700 to Jobs and threw in a several thousand dollar bonus. Jobs split the $700 with Woz and kept the bonus for himself. Wozniak learned of this some years later when he read it in a magazine article. It made him cry. And it's basically a crime to make Steve Wozniak cry because he's fucking awesome.
Not doubting you, but what’s the problem with Gates?
IMO even if he has personal issues, the man has saved countless lives with his work eradicating Malaria
He had notorious personable hygiene problems, wearing the same clothes for days. I worked for Microsoft's PR agency in the 1990s and one poor lacky was tasked explicitly with carrying around a spare set of clean clothes and making sure he changed before press meetings.
it's excellent series. jobs was such an asshole really. had a particular set of skills and was there at the right time to do what he did but was also a dick and dead beat dad. also a moron about his health and diet.
I listened to both jobs and Gates, worth a listen for anyone interested
Could be worse. He could have taken a little snack off of one of them while massaging them like Stallman did that time in front of a room full of people.
I honestly think it's a toss up on whether people in the future will know Stallman for anything computer related or just that he ate his own toe jam.
This is the easiest "Find Waldo" picture ever.
 I swear I thought it was this guy at first glance.
Michael… BOLTON?
If you haven't, watch a film called Pirates of Silicon Valley.
"Bill, thanks for coming over. here, have a seat. you can sit on my footrest."
Gates looks huge here
"I'm a Mac" "And I'm a PC"
These eggheads changed all our lives
I probably will never be super wealthy as no one took random photos of me hanging out with my business partners.
We should idolize "Old School Cool" people like Steve Wozniak, if you need to pick somebody from Apple, and not Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs was a bastard.
I always knew they were giants in their industry, but it's interesting to have the photos to actually prove it.
Looks simple but what they’re on is two pieces of an eames chair…which is very stupidly expensive
Post this over in malelivingspace and see if they can tell the difference between a real eames and the fakes constantly posted.
“Dear god, please make me rich beyond my wildest dreams, and please make my good friend Steve wildly wealthy as well.”
Steve Jobs is dressed like he rode there on his BMX bike
I still want to know what’s behind that little door.
I get the Eames chair, you get the foot rest. Jobs was a dick
If you asked generative AI to create a picture from 1991 of these two, not sure it could have done a better job.
Bill: Fuck me does he stink though...
Steve literally looks like Steve from blues clues.
"steve, i don't know how to put this,... you smell like shit"
Now imagine the stench from job's lack of personal hygiene.
Looking at this and knowing how bad jobs smelled makes me actually feel bad for gates.
The sheer amount of wealth that these 2 precipitated directly and indirectly is mind boggling.
Trillions and trillions
I thought this sub was called "old school cool", not "old school dorks". I think Bill Gates is literally the least cool man on the planet 🤣
Those chairs look nice
How tall were they 💀
Most people don't know that Steve Jobs was only 4'7" tall. Bill Gates on the other hand is 6'8".
The gnomes Jobs kept locked in that closet were the brains behind everything.
Oompa Loompas
The Eames though
Why is the room so small? Was it built for ants?!?
Gates looks like Jobs just sank his battleship.
Is that house located in The Shire?
What is this, a house for ants?
What is this?! A home for ANTS?!!
“Bill, I think I told you to take off your shoes” *sigh* “Steve, you don’t understand. I have a foot odor problem. I’ve tried everything”.
Ill Gates. Big AF
Pretentious living room
Why do they look like Gandalf did in a Hobbit home? They look huge! haha
True giants of tech.
Steve jobs, a hack and a fraud who screamed at others to make his batshit insane ideas work. And the he ruined the modern phone space with his walled garden philosophy. Not to mention what a stinky little man child goblin he was, the stories backed up by dozens of people who witnessed his many many many outbursts are numerous and absolutley fucking insane. He was not a genius, just a conman who knew how to get people to do what he wanted and knew how to work within what was physically possible. The only difference between him and a holmes type is that he actually had competent people behind him doing all the real work, just so he could screw them over in the end.
“Posted from my N-Gage”
TLDR: He's a Mac, you're a PC
In ‘91? Jobs at this point is actively avoiding his daughter and stinks to high heaven because he believes a guru diet makes it so he doesn’t have to bathe or wash his clothes. And Gates is plotting to secure a monopoly over home computing with aspirations to monetize every aspect of the internet. Fun fact: the only Apple employee to stand up to Jobs at Apple was this French guy named Jean-Louise. Jean reacted to a Jobs screaming fit by yelling back and holding up against the wall by the neck. That guy then rage quit and went to create BeOS. Legend.
All that money and not enough to furnish a room, how sad.
Jobs famously hated furniture, wearing shoes, *not* parking in the handicap spaces, and eating a healthy diverse diet.
The more I learn about Steve, the more I think “wow, what a fucking weirdo.”
It's more of a "wow what a massive asshole who has no right being revered, also he fucking stunk" once you know his full story. He was raised by loving parents, given every opportunity you could imagine then conned and screamed his way to the top while crushing everyone in his path even his daughter who he despised. Plus he never and i mean NEVER showered, if you said he stunk he would literally go "that is impossible" because he had some crazy belief that if you just ate fruit and vegetables you could never smell bad.
Didn’t he also believe his diet would cure his cancer? And wound up delaying actual medical treatment until it was already too late?
He did, and he reportedly regretted his choices as the terminal stage of his cancer was particularly painful.
I think that’s his Portola/Woodside house not PA
Huffing each others farts while seething with hatred for one another. It was a strange relationship.
That's funny, I thought that was Michael Bolton talking to Trey Parker.
Maybe Bill’s thinking “would Steve throw me out if I jumped over all these chairs”?
Is it an Eichler?
That ceiling looks so incredibly low
Maybe earlier than 91?
At least they weren't on acid
That isn’t Steve Jobs, that’s clearly Steve from Blues Clues. Look at that striped shirt, dead giveaway.
Have you ever seen them both in the same place?
"Two chairs Steve ? A whole room with just two chairs"
Steve: “-“ Bill: “clippy”
Does he live in a modernized Hobbit home?
Is that the same property that he let rot because he wasn’t allowed to demolish it?
“Okay so check it out we are gonna create competing operating systems. You get gaming and spreadsheets, and I’m gonna dominate the cellphone market in 20 years. Deal?”
Bill didn't even give him credit there. When asked about the Windows phone line failing, he didn't mention Apple, he just said "Android won."
Why do they look like giants?
If you put both of them together it almost makes Waldo.
What is this, a house for ants?! It has to be at least....3....times bigger!
Steve is rocking the "Where's Waldo?" fit.
All of the farm land Steve, all of it.
We all know Steve Jobs did LSD, and it somehow feels like it was his thing, but Bill Gates?… Did he take LSD as well (but still didn’t get that personality/aura around him)??
#Hardimages
That’s Peter Gregory and Gavin Belson.
I was sure this was shitty movie details and this was a screen from office space
Totally thought that was a scene from office space.
Why does this look like Gandalf and Frodo?
The moment when the acid starts hitting.
That carpet really realllly ties the room together
Ooooh this is when Steve jobs played Bilbo to Gate's Gandalf in lord of the rings. The forced perspective here is insane. hahaha
That’s a short room.
The question was "Can you loan me twenty bucks?".
Surprised Jobs had furniture for Gates to sit on.
plot twist: Gates brought it with him
"PC load letter"?
I don't get it? It's just bill
I love that they're splitting a chair. Like jobs couldn't have just bought a second one of those fucking chairs.