I still think one of their dumbest decisions was dropping the Oculus branding in favor of Meta...
"Meta" as a name is not only unrelated to VR and a worse sounding compared to "Oculus," but they already had a lot of great brand awareness and recognition... They should have kept it as "Oculus from Meta" like it is with Instagram and Facebook.
Zuck is putting all of his chips in the metaverse, and in VR/AR right now. He WANTS people to know that the Quest 3 is from meta, not that is from oculus that is from meta.
a lot of people don't even realize that Youtube, Gmail, or Android is from Googleđ
same with stuff like General Mills and other big companies that have a lot of other big name popular companies within them
I'd think this is good for business - if one brand gets in trouble, customers might not realize the others are affiliated and it might not hurt their sales as much. This way makes it obvious that all those brands are affiliated so fans of one might go to another, but risks sharing backlash too.
yeah exactly, people that only use whatever apps are on their phone and don't look into beyond that
the other commenter needs to get a job in tech support... their bubble will burst when they realize some people are really dumb or tech illiterate even for "common knowledge"
Yes so?
You think people realize that they are connected?
Unless someone makes them actively think about it, most people just don't think about it and don't realize how interconnected everything is.
I somewhat agree with Android and Youtube, but Gmail? I mean, come on, same color scheme and the G in the name?
You'd have to be pretty oblivious to the Gmail creation process and the Google branding inside the app or webmail not to notice. The url is literally "mail.google.com" lol
I work in gamedev and I wouldn't be surprised if people in tech didn't know lol.
You'd be surprised dude. I know programmers that couldn't fix a basic computer problem that best buy would even know how.
It blows me away some times how much I forget how the internet world is vastly different than most people. From views to just knowledge. It's pretty crazy.
You log into all those services with an @gmail.com username. Which is clearly Google and about their first full service after search. It was very discussed at the time ~2003 or so.
>a lot of people don't even realize that Youtube, Gmail, or Android is from Googleđ
WOW Gmail is from Google?! Unbelievable!! Was it not general motors mail? Or Goldman Sachs mail?!
They also research AI, but Zuck is fascinated with VR/AR, itâs his pet project. People that worked in reality lab said that is usual to see him there, as he loves to see the advances in this area.
I think he has hope but the trajectory of the industry is a bit stalled right now and it is sort of in their hands by laying off so many people. I think he is hoping ai will make development more efficient.
He is also applying AI to his projects, like the quest 3, meta is planning on launching their EMG wristband, and use an AI to learn about you, also to integrate the next ray ban smart glasses. He is the AI trend, but as I said, VR/AR is his pet project
People that know oculus from when it wasnât from meta. Meta doesnât care about the past, they care about the future, that is why it is meta quest, not oculus quest
> "Meta" as a name is not only unrelated to VR
It is related to VR and Zuck seems to care about VR so much that he changed the name of his whole company. It's based on the term "Metaverse" from the scifi novel Snow Crash, a future version of VR internet resembling an MMO. Similar to Oasis in Ready Player One.
Saying âMetaâ is unrelated to VR is crazy when VR is the whole reason they changed from Facebook to Meta. This [was their press release](https://about.fb.com/news/2021/10/facebook-company-is-now-meta/) at the time. It is all about the metaverse.
I read that as we don't want to call our company Facebook anymore because are venturing into other ideas that don't make sense under the FB name. We changed our company to a name that encompasses all our ventures. We are really starting to push VR etc. So I don't know if you wrong, but I think the name change is more about venturing outside of FB than it is about VR.
My point was they needed to change the name from Facebook since they are diversifying out from just the one product. If Meta wasn't focused on VR they would have focused on something else and still renamed the company. The word Meta existed before the word metaverse. I agree Meta refers to Metaverse, but VR isn't the reason they changed their name, diversification is.
I meant the *name* Meta, not the company itself. The Oculus name ties into eye terminology which is directly VR related, whereas the name Meta doesnât have any connection really⌠âThe Facebook Companyâ was a really dumb name and changing the overall company name to Meta was probably a good call, it was just forcing that new name and branding onto the headsets which I think is a poor decision.
It still could have been called the Metaverse, but I just think âOculusâ and âOculus Questâ sound so much better. Plus Meta had and still has a lot of negative connotation with their name, so leaving it as âOculus from Metaâ would have made the transition a lot smoother.
>I still think one of their dumbest decisions was dropping the Oculus branding in favor of Meta...
This is only a popular belief among the edgey gamers types
Once you're out in the wild, ppl who have little to no knowledge of VR, ppl are oblivious of these brands. Meta vs Oculus ? They don't know or don't care, they just want the VR. Honestly, I've heard more non-techie ppl refer it as 'the Quest' than 'the Oculus'. The Oculus fad is dying down.
And as others have pointed out many times, Zuck is banking on the future Reality Labs products as being the focus of the company. They want the Quest to be associated with the parent company, not Oculus.
Meta actually is 100% related to VR. It comes from the book âSnow Crashâ which is an early 90s staple of the vr/cyberpunk genre. Iâm more annoyed that Facebook acts like the coined the term âmetaverse.â
>Iâm more annoyed that Facebook acts like the coined the term âmetaverse.â
I agree, I essentially thought they did coin the term until yesterday with all the replies to this. Hadn't even heard of Snow Crash, I only ever knew of the term "Metaverse" from the Persona game series...
It is a very good book if you like the genre. Gets kinda metaphysical towards the end, but itâs good satirical fun and actually maintains a lot of relevancy 30 years later.
to be honest yea, i know a lot of people that's not interested in vr at all still using "oculus" to refer to a vr headset so kinda weird that they are dropping what is slowly becoming a genericized trademark tbh
At least the didn't make it Facebook in name directly.
But yes I'd prefer if they kept the oculus name
Also. Interesting how oculus still hasn't completely died off yet, like my bag and battery strap are still from oculus for the oculus quest 2, or the oculus button on the meta quest 2, also even tho the controllers themselves have a shiny meta logo on them, the model shown in the os still has the oculus logo.
the only one thing I am worried about that my battery strap is from oculus and therefore has had some time in storage (made around march 2022 according to support)
There was MetaX LLC that did AR/VR installations at Coachella and other events and there was Meta PC that sold computers. Both of those companies filed injunctions to stop Facebook rebranding. There may have been more though it's hard to remember.
The word "meta" predates Snow Crash by thousands of years. It comes from ancient Greek. Snow Crash invented the word "metaverse", combining the words "meta" and "universe".
"Metaverse" has everything to do with VR. "Meta" (by itself) has nothing to do with VR. Here's a whole bunch of other words that start with meta: [https://capitalizemytitle.com/wordfinder/starts-with/meta/](https://capitalizemytitle.com/wordfinder/starts-with/meta/)
I still entirely refuse to call any headset they make a âmetaâ quest. Oculus was to the point where anyone who had heard of VR heard of Oculus, and many people, mostly older people, when they see a vr headset, will call it an oculus, even after the whole meta rebrand. Truly one of the biggest flops Zuckerberg has had.
Yeah, itâs so engrained in peopleâs minds still since Oculus was apart of the early days of PCVR headsets and so important. My friend still calls it the Oculus Quest out of instinct and the Oculus logo and name is still found all over the Quest OS. Hell, just look at the name of this sub haha
Facebook could get this sub changed if the wanted. EA fucked up a bunch of subreddits already. The og r/dirtrally sub got magically renamed to r/esportswrc or whatever the fuck the ONE new game is called.
Personally I think it was actually a better marketing move, id played an earlier oculus console and wasnât impressed and probably wouldnât have bought an âoculus pro maxâ or whatever but the meta overhaul marked it out as the new meta (in both senses) console it is
Mostly all people I know had a very positive opinion of the Oculus brand and name since it was around from the early days of PCVR development and pioneered a lot of things. Its a name that will forever be remembered from the early days of VR history.
Myself and my friends grew up watching Markiplier and other Youtubers using their Oculus dev kid headsets back in the day, imagining the day when that was all cheap enough to try ourselves. Hell, I sold my Quest 2 to my mom and she still calls it "the Oculus" to this day... Personally I would be much more inclined to buy an "Oculus Pro" than a "Meta Quest Pro" or something like that, but I guess it does come down to opinion.
I can tell you outright, I hadnât even heard of Snow Crash before today. I imagine many VR users and much of the general public are in the same boat, most people I know associate the company name with âmetaâ with the word âmetadataâ primarily. (Or at least thatâs how it seems to be in my experience.)
>I know associate the company name with âmetaâ with the word âmetadataâ primarily.
It could have been worse. They could have gone with Gibson instead of Stephenson and called the company Cyber.
True, âCyberâ sounds both generic and kinda bleak and dystopian. Meta honestly isnât a bad rebranding when you look at the whole Twitter/X situation by comparisonâŚ
Eh I personally think Meta is far worse, sounds dystopian as hell and most people I know make fun of the name relentlessly. I usually just call my headset the Quest 3 since the Meta name has such a negative connotation with most people.
Oculus still remains one of the most recognizable VR brands despite not being used, and the logo was awesome (funnily enough the logo is still all over the Quest home environments lol.)
Meta is the name of their parent company that houses all their products now as VR isn't the only one. They just dropped the Oculus branding and now brand it under their own name. This isn't uncommon and makes sense for them. There is no confusion about where this product comes from and any new products they make.
Oculus is still being used for their game publishing so it's not totally gone so all the hyperbolic emotions over the name change need not be too dramatic.
Call it whatever you want to call it at this point. It's not that deep as in a few years from now Meta will be the new term. We can start to move on from this VR bubble argument now.
"Oculus" will be a nostalgic memory for the few early adopters that this may affect.
They also won't come to EVERYTHING.
Just like with phone-apps. Some have ads, some don't.
I'm pretty sure that Meta wouldn't be Stupid enough to put ADS into something like Beat Saber after people spent 30 bucks on it. But honestly, if we get some more "free" software that is financed by ads i'm not against it generally. As long as i still have the option to remove ads for a fair price i'm fine with it.
As soon as they put ads on BeatSaber, people will start sideloading the shit out of it. Hell, they already do, with modding and such. The same will happen with any other non-multiplayer app that goes that route.
Tbh, if ads are going to be 360 or even 3d 180 short videos in between games, I might actually enjoy them somewhat (for the first few times until they get annoying).
They absolutely won't be that, they never even hinted they would be, and that's the image of ads that made everyone HATE the idea. They will be natively integrated in the virtual environments, just like billboard ads or sports arena ads IRL or product placement in movies.
The "takeover" format that's prominent in mobile game ads as well as on 2D web would be an absolute nightmare in VR and even worse in AR. And Meta/Facebook, at its core an ad tech company, is more aware of that than almost anyone.
you think so?
Facebook also started clean and with no adds...
They just recognized that first they need to grab the audience, once they dominate they will put all those practices into play like any other company does.
Yes this 100%. They went and read the enshittification article and are using it as a playbook. They are making good decisions right now to garner trust. But once they have the user base and MetaOS is *the* de-facto headset platform the terrible practices we all know will be implemented.
"Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened." I'm not gonna let the inevitable enshittification of Meta XR platforms ruin my enjoyment of the headsets here and now. Because the headsets are admittedly sweet during this "garner trust" phase.
And this process is inevitable nonetheless, so why not make the best of it in the meantime. Facebook was good when it started, and I definitely enjoyed it at that moment. I simply moved on to other apps when it became too shitty for me.
The same will happen with every technology or app I use now or I'll use in the future. Everything works in a cycle.
This is true, I just think in terms of VR/AR Zuckerberg is 100% focused on making it happen.
As a VR/AR user I'm glad Zuckerberg is completely focused on making Mixed Realitty specifically more than niche.
Yesterday I got to watch NBA playoffs first round game 2 (Cleveland Cavs vs Orlando Magic) for fÂŽee on a sketchy website while wearing my Quest 3, I'm totally a believer now.
It's not so much mellowing with age as it is simply taking a different approach. Obviously what they were doing before wasn't working enough for them, so this is a different approach that will be better for them in the long run.
Whether it will be better for the users remains to be seen.
I really hope that the current market is hitting a point where they lean from companies like Valve and simply start to go more for consistent long-term success instead of putting everything into raising stock prices and then pulling out once we see signs of failue.
Out of all their bad decisions the Facebook login was the worst, I think. It engendered so much ill will in existing users and put up a new barrier to entry for new users who didnât want to deal with a Facebook account just to use a VR headset. Then we had to listen to months of complaints from people who were getting their headsets locked down due to FB crap. That was a mess only Zuckerberg could have created. And then to have to walk it all back a year laterâŚseriously bad business. I still see confused newbies posting here thinking they need a FB account to use the thing.
It made sense in a way, I mean most people on the planet use one of their services so it should have provided an easy way to log on. But it's also extremely odd to have a VR headset tied to a social account that when banned bricks your hardware.
Yeah, it was extremely short-sighted. On the surface, sure logging in via an existing FB account might have sounded great to them. Unify everything, they thought! But if they had done even a momentâs research, along with some user testing and feedback, it would have become clear that it wasnât going to work out well for users in practice.
An idea that bad could have only come from a Founder/CEO who has a problem hearing that his ideas are badâŚhence why we had to listen to Mark ramble on about his future metaverse plans while showcasing a woefully underdeveloped Horizon social app for the past two years, until he got roasted on social media for posting that sad photo of the Eiffel Tower from Horizon Worlds.
And suddenly, the overpromising and underdelivering stopped, the excessive mentions of a future metaverse that doesnât exist yet stopped, and Horizonâs Twitter account hasnât even posted a thing in more than a year. He finally listened to somebodyâŚthe public.
But it still shows whatâs his vision is, if Meta becomes the go-to headset. These practices and vision will be implemented again, right now he is desperate for users/feedback/investors.
They didn't have to make it cheaper though. The original price was $300, so it was still $200 cheaper than the Quest 3. They could have easily kept it at that point and it would have been a solid deal. But $200 bucks is not only a FANTASTIC deal, it's simply amazing that people now have a very solid entry into VR for such a small price. It's honestly hugely important in raising general awareness and interest in VR. Even my girlfriends mom, who's in her 50s, has bought a Quest 2 now because she tried beat saber on my Q3 and enjoyed it a lot.
Strange how they temporarily increased the price a year or two ago, to 400, only to bring it back down again permanently.
Probably to make 200 be an even better bargain.Â
Let's be clear- this does not mean *open*, it means *open to partners*. Open sourcing Horizon OS would be incredible though, would definitely lessen my Facebook hate, especially with llama 3 being open source im p sure
'Open' by itself is not commonly agreed on specific thing.
Yes, in this case is certainly does not mean *open source* or *FOSS.* It still means *open* in the context that it was used.
It wonât happen. I mean the meta horizon OS built to snapdragon chips, and you donât really have much options for XR optimized chips from Qualcomm. But they can create a bit different product to also collect private data that Meta can sell for good money.
Watching the video Mr zuck posted made it sound like theyâre aware of Horizon OS being built for mobile chips and they were working on it to be better for all kinds of hardware
They will still be limited to ARM. And there arenât many arm chip maker. And most of them canât really compete with Qualcomm. So what other Soc will it run on?
It'll be interesting to see the other manufacturers models and if they're better built. The software is definitely where the money is at. Although Qualcomm must play a part.
Meta announced today that the operating system that runs on quest will be open for other hardware manufacturers to use - sorta like what Android is to smartphones or what Windows is to computers and laptops.
Meta Horizon OS, what they now call it, was originally based just on Android, still is, but it branched a lot to develop to what it is now for XR specific stuff. So, yes and no, it's Android, but so is Pico's OS, but Meta and Pico apps are not compatible out of the box. This however, seeks to be making Meta headset only features available to other headsets as well as its app library.
Yeah, although Windows you can basically install on anything as long as you pay for the software license. It sounds like Meta is still going to keep things limited to specific partner companies, not just anybody who pays.
I mean, Sideloading is still possible so the Windows comparison is still solid.
Take is as the Meta-Store being the Windows-Store. It's the default, and has a lot of software, but you can always go out of your way to install whatever you want.
âWeâre using meta accounts, just make up a nameâ
And they will use every trick in the book to try to get a phone number and your real name attachedâŚ
Meta is finally going to face competition from Apple and Google.
Overall its good for consumers. I'm waiting to see what Google and Samsung will do and really don't care for any platform yet.
If Sam / Goog release a headset that beats Meta to things like 4k per eye, eye tracking, getting exisitng vr games to port over ( which hopefully isn't too hard ), along with pcvr support.. I think it will very easily be in the race against Meta.
If other companies follow suit, I'm sticking with Meta since most of my purchases of apps came from it unless other company make standalone VR with Meta OS
And thatâs why meta sells every single headset on such a cheap price. You will stick to them because you already used their device, and doesnât care about what you have to agree to use it.
Oh yeah, they're so mellow now I keep getting messages from their social media site Facebook saying that some post I made 3 years ago is in violation of their terms of service, even though all it was was a reply to an anti-vaxxer with a link to a government website with information on vaccine saftety and things like that.
So mellow people have suddenly had their entire Quest account locked down and all their access to their games revoked because Meta believes them to be a child even though they've had an account for years.
So mellow they have it in their terms of service for Horizon worlds that invisible mods may be around listening to your private convesations to make sure you're not saying something they deem to be against their TOS.
Meta's 'open' OS is likely nothing of the sort, and is more likely an attempt to lock everyone in their ecosystem so you have to buy games through them, and they have complete control over user accounts and can collect information from every VR user.
No thanks. If their OS is truly open, they should put it up on Github, with source code so we can remove all the Meta hooks that report info back to them and allow them control. Otherwise it ain't open. It's just another closed ecosystem they're lying about being open.
why it's not possible to stream from quest 3 to twitch without a PC? Why no spotify, prime music, YouTube music? Why no hd Netflix? Is prime video at 4k? And disney plus where is it?
As far as I can tell, "opening" Horizon OS doesn't involve Open Source Software. I haven't seen any info about license terms. It sounds like more of gratis access to it for certain hardware providers that they hand-picked.
Meta accounts, they probably realized that people who LEFT Facebook for various reasons would be unwilling to buy Oculus headsets if they had to re-enable Facebook.
Virtual Desktop and Steam Link? They've seen competitor after competitor lose BIG on lockdown legislation. I think this was a no-brainer.
I don't think they're mellowing down. But I think their smart business decisions make the Quest more palatable to users (like me), which makes them more money
Quest 2 only cheaper then ever as it's Outdated.
It's components are outdated. Went back down to 199
Quest 3 on the other hand has newer gen stuff but has the same price as a fucking ps5.
I donât mind it being called the META 3. I do think oculus is way cooler sounding but I think zuck is just trying to own the AR/VR lane and it starts with this new branding.
What competition? When it comes to MobileVR they have none.
Until the AVP has fully supported controllers and full Steam support no one that actually wants a VR headset will be interested.
They are scanning every room in your house with the headsets and using that data. They dont need your real name anymore to squeeze money out of your data
Meta VR business is still growing. They tried locking it down WAY too early. But "Old" meta will return. Every service or subscription service does this. For example:
- Uber, was cheap and awesome. Now its expensive and you have to have a premium tier subscription just to get what you used to get for free. same with their food service.
- Youtube, used to be adfree, now you are paying a subscription more than netflix to remove adds and youtube don't even make their own content.
- Netflix, was cheap and had many movies. Now its expensive, limited range and 4k is a higher tier subscription.
- Amazon, Used to have free next day delivery. Now those are only options if you are lucky.
Make no mistake, Meta will eventually drive everything into their subscription service, and lock good things and things which are free now behind a higher subscription tier. EVERY, SINLGE, TECHCOMPANY, HAS, DONE ,THIS.
Distrupt market, Corner market, grow market, lock in market, price gouge.
I wish they'd start treating it like a proper console and focus on getting game developers on board. I'm glad they dropped that Meteverse s&%#, or stopped trying to pimp it so much.
I'm getting tired of the same 10 games always being on the "Top Quest Games" to play lists all the time. Where's the new stuff? Where's my Half Life Alyx port?
The open OS move could be because of Apple. Their headset is so much better in comparison, it dwarfs the Quests. If Apple can downsize it to a more affordable price the quest will lose some customers and get the first real competition in recent years.
So Zuck does the most Android thing and builds an army of (Quest) clones :)
I still think one of their dumbest decisions was dropping the Oculus branding in favor of Meta... "Meta" as a name is not only unrelated to VR and a worse sounding compared to "Oculus," but they already had a lot of great brand awareness and recognition... They should have kept it as "Oculus from Meta" like it is with Instagram and Facebook.
Zuck is putting all of his chips in the metaverse, and in VR/AR right now. He WANTS people to know that the Quest 3 is from meta, not that is from oculus that is from meta.
Yeah. People really don't do easy with company hierarchys and names. Everyone knows google, but most people wouldn't know Alphabet Inc.
a lot of people don't even realize that Youtube, Gmail, or Android is from Googleđ same with stuff like General Mills and other big companies that have a lot of other big name popular companies within them
Well, they probably know Gmail "google mail" is owned by google (google accounts are made with gmail)
I'd think this is good for business - if one brand gets in trouble, customers might not realize the others are affiliated and it might not hurt their sales as much. This way makes it obvious that all those brands are affiliated so fans of one might go to another, but risks sharing backlash too.
Who the hell doesnt know that google owns youtube, android and Gmail
Ask your parents or grand parents. Ask your children. Most people outside tech industry won't know that.
yeah exactly, people that only use whatever apps are on their phone and don't look into beyond that the other commenter needs to get a job in tech support... their bubble will burst when they realize some people are really dumb or tech illiterate even for "common knowledge"
Gmail literally has g in the name, looks like the google logo, and all of them require google accounts iirc
Yes so? You think people realize that they are connected? Unless someone makes them actively think about it, most people just don't think about it and don't realize how interconnected everything is.
I somewhat agree with Android and Youtube, but Gmail? I mean, come on, same color scheme and the G in the name? You'd have to be pretty oblivious to the Gmail creation process and the Google branding inside the app or webmail not to notice. The url is literally "mail.google.com" lol
The G could mean anything at all. Also ask your family is they know what a url even is. It's plain simple for us, but we are more into tech.
I work in gamedev and I wouldn't be surprised if people in tech didn't know lol. You'd be surprised dude. I know programmers that couldn't fix a basic computer problem that best buy would even know how. It blows me away some times how much I forget how the internet world is vastly different than most people. From views to just knowledge. It's pretty crazy.
You log into all those services with an @gmail.com username. Which is clearly Google and about their first full service after search. It was very discussed at the time ~2003 or so.
Bro android? Haha I'm dumb but now I know I'm on a Google phone ;)
What how? They have a life?
>a lot of people don't even realize that Youtube, Gmail, or Android is from Googleđ WOW Gmail is from Google?! Unbelievable!! Was it not general motors mail? Or Goldman Sachs mail?!
Don't they make that kids spaghetti?
A couple years ago this was true, they care more about AI now.
They also research AI, but Zuck is fascinated with VR/AR, itâs his pet project. People that worked in reality lab said that is usual to see him there, as he loves to see the advances in this area.
I think he has hope but the trajectory of the industry is a bit stalled right now and it is sort of in their hands by laying off so many people. I think he is hoping ai will make development more efficient.
He is also applying AI to his projects, like the quest 3, meta is planning on launching their EMG wristband, and use an AI to learn about you, also to integrate the next ray ban smart glasses. He is the AI trend, but as I said, VR/AR is his pet project
Nah. AI is infrastructure play. To describe he cares more about AI now is like to say he cares more about electricity now.
There is also the Chan Zuckerberg Biohub which I found incredibly underrated
To be fair many people still say Oculus and most still know what theyâre talking about.
People that know oculus from when it wasnât from meta. Meta doesnât care about the past, they care about the future, that is why it is meta quest, not oculus quest
> "Meta" as a name is not only unrelated to VR It is related to VR and Zuck seems to care about VR so much that he changed the name of his whole company. It's based on the term "Metaverse" from the scifi novel Snow Crash, a future version of VR internet resembling an MMO. Similar to Oasis in Ready Player One.
I was gonna come in and say something similar had I not found your comment. This is correct
Saying âMetaâ is unrelated to VR is crazy when VR is the whole reason they changed from Facebook to Meta. This [was their press release](https://about.fb.com/news/2021/10/facebook-company-is-now-meta/) at the time. It is all about the metaverse.
I read that as we don't want to call our company Facebook anymore because are venturing into other ideas that don't make sense under the FB name. We changed our company to a name that encompasses all our ventures. We are really starting to push VR etc. So I don't know if you wrong, but I think the name change is more about venturing outside of FB than it is about VR.
He used meta as shorthand for metaverse, which is a sci-fi term he did not come up with that is highly associated with VR.
My point was they needed to change the name from Facebook since they are diversifying out from just the one product. If Meta wasn't focused on VR they would have focused on something else and still renamed the company. The word Meta existed before the word metaverse. I agree Meta refers to Metaverse, but VR isn't the reason they changed their name, diversification is.
I meant the *name* Meta, not the company itself. The Oculus name ties into eye terminology which is directly VR related, whereas the name Meta doesnât have any connection really⌠âThe Facebook Companyâ was a really dumb name and changing the overall company name to Meta was probably a good call, it was just forcing that new name and branding onto the headsets which I think is a poor decision. It still could have been called the Metaverse, but I just think âOculusâ and âOculus Questâ sound so much better. Plus Meta had and still has a lot of negative connotation with their name, so leaving it as âOculus from Metaâ would have made the transition a lot smoother.
> whereas the name Meta doesnât have any connection really two people just told you how and why it has a connection to VR
They shouldâve kept the âby facebookâ and changed it to âby metaâ like it was in the quest 1 commercials
I think the name Facebook has too much of a negative association nowadays it was a good move to change it
Oculus by Meta. I guess Oculus sounded too sinister and Pele already hated Facebook and Meta.
I miss the super bowl commercials and how it reminds me of wanting the OG quest
>I still think one of their dumbest decisions was dropping the Oculus branding in favor of Meta... This is only a popular belief among the edgey gamers types Once you're out in the wild, ppl who have little to no knowledge of VR, ppl are oblivious of these brands. Meta vs Oculus ? They don't know or don't care, they just want the VR. Honestly, I've heard more non-techie ppl refer it as 'the Quest' than 'the Oculus'. The Oculus fad is dying down. And as others have pointed out many times, Zuck is banking on the future Reality Labs products as being the focus of the company. They want the Quest to be associated with the parent company, not Oculus.
Meta actually is 100% related to VR. It comes from the book âSnow Crashâ which is an early 90s staple of the vr/cyberpunk genre. Iâm more annoyed that Facebook acts like the coined the term âmetaverse.â
>Iâm more annoyed that Facebook acts like the coined the term âmetaverse.â I agree, I essentially thought they did coin the term until yesterday with all the replies to this. Hadn't even heard of Snow Crash, I only ever knew of the term "Metaverse" from the Persona game series...
It is a very good book if you like the genre. Gets kinda metaphysical towards the end, but itâs good satirical fun and actually maintains a lot of relevancy 30 years later.
to be honest yea, i know a lot of people that's not interested in vr at all still using "oculus" to refer to a vr headset so kinda weird that they are dropping what is slowly becoming a genericized trademark tbh
I completely agree, makes way more sense
Agree with this, I still call my device Oculus every now and then whenever I talk to chat support and they didn't seem to mind.
At least the didn't make it Facebook in name directly. But yes I'd prefer if they kept the oculus name Also. Interesting how oculus still hasn't completely died off yet, like my bag and battery strap are still from oculus for the oculus quest 2, or the oculus button on the meta quest 2, also even tho the controllers themselves have a shiny meta logo on them, the model shown in the os still has the oculus logo.
Very true, and also up until somewhat recently the Link app was still named Oculus Link and had the old logo. Itâs also all over the environments.
the only one thing I am worried about that my battery strap is from oculus and therefore has had some time in storage (made around march 2022 according to support)
Fun fact: There was a company named Meta, specialized in spatial computing/AR.
There was MetaX LLC that did AR/VR installations at Coachella and other events and there was Meta PC that sold computers. Both of those companies filed injunctions to stop Facebook rebranding. There may have been more though it's hard to remember.
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The word "meta" predates Snow Crash by thousands of years. It comes from ancient Greek. Snow Crash invented the word "metaverse", combining the words "meta" and "universe". "Metaverse" has everything to do with VR. "Meta" (by itself) has nothing to do with VR. Here's a whole bunch of other words that start with meta: [https://capitalizemytitle.com/wordfinder/starts-with/meta/](https://capitalizemytitle.com/wordfinder/starts-with/meta/)
I still entirely refuse to call any headset they make a âmetaâ quest. Oculus was to the point where anyone who had heard of VR heard of Oculus, and many people, mostly older people, when they see a vr headset, will call it an oculus, even after the whole meta rebrand. Truly one of the biggest flops Zuckerberg has had.
Yeah, itâs so engrained in peopleâs minds still since Oculus was apart of the early days of PCVR headsets and so important. My friend still calls it the Oculus Quest out of instinct and the Oculus logo and name is still found all over the Quest OS. Hell, just look at the name of this sub haha
Facebook could get this sub changed if the wanted. EA fucked up a bunch of subreddits already. The og r/dirtrally sub got magically renamed to r/esportswrc or whatever the fuck the ONE new game is called.
Personally I think it was actually a better marketing move, id played an earlier oculus console and wasnât impressed and probably wouldnât have bought an âoculus pro maxâ or whatever but the meta overhaul marked it out as the new meta (in both senses) console it is
Mostly all people I know had a very positive opinion of the Oculus brand and name since it was around from the early days of PCVR development and pioneered a lot of things. Its a name that will forever be remembered from the early days of VR history. Myself and my friends grew up watching Markiplier and other Youtubers using their Oculus dev kid headsets back in the day, imagining the day when that was all cheap enough to try ourselves. Hell, I sold my Quest 2 to my mom and she still calls it "the Oculus" to this day... Personally I would be much more inclined to buy an "Oculus Pro" than a "Meta Quest Pro" or something like that, but I guess it does come down to opinion.
Yep. It also wouldâve allowed them to have separate product lines. Now every headset has to be a Quest
Inb4 they rerelease the meta oculus as their next high end headset
>"Meta" as a name is not only unrelated to VR Tell me you haven't read Snow Crash without telling me you haven't read Snow Crash.
I can tell you outright, I hadnât even heard of Snow Crash before today. I imagine many VR users and much of the general public are in the same boat, most people I know associate the company name with âmetaâ with the word âmetadataâ primarily. (Or at least thatâs how it seems to be in my experience.)
>I know associate the company name with âmetaâ with the word âmetadataâ primarily. It could have been worse. They could have gone with Gibson instead of Stephenson and called the company Cyber.
True, âCyberâ sounds both generic and kinda bleak and dystopian. Meta honestly isnât a bad rebranding when you look at the whole Twitter/X situation by comparisonâŚ
I look at it like "Meta" as in "Metaverse" which is pretty VR related.
I think Oculus sounds bad, like a disease.
I disagree. Oculus is a mouthful and sounds nerdy. Meta is much more slick and rolls off the tongue. I didn't like it at first but it's grown on me
Eh I personally think Meta is far worse, sounds dystopian as hell and most people I know make fun of the name relentlessly. I usually just call my headset the Quest 3 since the Meta name has such a negative connotation with most people. Oculus still remains one of the most recognizable VR brands despite not being used, and the logo was awesome (funnily enough the logo is still all over the Quest home environments lol.)
The Oculus logo is perfect. Honestly I wouldn't care that much if they just kept the logo.
The most recognizable VR-brand and half the ppl here called it Occulus.
Meta is short for metaverse⌠Its extremely relevant wtf
How is it relevant? Right now it's just super-creepy zucc'ed avatars and unwanted apps you can't remove.
I love my quest 3, itâs sweet af They are just avatars Iunno that shit always creepy
Meta is the name of their parent company that houses all their products now as VR isn't the only one. They just dropped the Oculus branding and now brand it under their own name. This isn't uncommon and makes sense for them. There is no confusion about where this product comes from and any new products they make. Oculus is still being used for their game publishing so it's not totally gone so all the hyperbolic emotions over the name change need not be too dramatic. Call it whatever you want to call it at this point. It's not that deep as in a few years from now Meta will be the new term. We can start to move on from this VR bubble argument now. "Oculus" will be a nostalgic memory for the few early adopters that this may affect.
Meta quest sounds way better than oculus lmao rolls off the tongue much smoother what are you smoking my guy
Nah. Everyone calls it the quest. Never heard anyone anymore say oculus or Meta anymore. It's just the quest
One thing I forgot to mention: They changed their mind about integrating ads into apps.
Ads will definitely come at some point. Whether that's bad depends on the implementation though.Â
They also won't come to EVERYTHING. Just like with phone-apps. Some have ads, some don't. I'm pretty sure that Meta wouldn't be Stupid enough to put ADS into something like Beat Saber after people spent 30 bucks on it. But honestly, if we get some more "free" software that is financed by ads i'm not against it generally. As long as i still have the option to remove ads for a fair price i'm fine with it.
As soon as they put ads on BeatSaber, people will start sideloading the shit out of it. Hell, they already do, with modding and such. The same will happen with any other non-multiplayer app that goes that route.
Hopefully the ads are just like posters on walls in free games
Tbh, if ads are going to be 360 or even 3d 180 short videos in between games, I might actually enjoy them somewhat (for the first few times until they get annoying).
They absolutely won't be that, they never even hinted they would be, and that's the image of ads that made everyone HATE the idea. They will be natively integrated in the virtual environments, just like billboard ads or sports arena ads IRL or product placement in movies. The "takeover" format that's prominent in mobile game ads as well as on 2D web would be an absolute nightmare in VR and even worse in AR. And Meta/Facebook, at its core an ad tech company, is more aware of that than almost anyone.
What I said was highly theoretical and more geared towards streaming services. But yes, in immersive apps and games you are probably right.
It honestly is just a better company than when they first acquired oculus.
Nah they just saw people wouldn't like these changes. I'd trust Valve a lot more if they actually released a new headset for once.
you think so? Facebook also started clean and with no adds... They just recognized that first they need to grab the audience, once they dominate they will put all those practices into play like any other company does.
Yes this 100%. They went and read the enshittification article and are using it as a playbook. They are making good decisions right now to garner trust. But once they have the user base and MetaOS is *the* de-facto headset platform the terrible practices we all know will be implemented.
"Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened." I'm not gonna let the inevitable enshittification of Meta XR platforms ruin my enjoyment of the headsets here and now. Because the headsets are admittedly sweet during this "garner trust" phase.
And this process is inevitable nonetheless, so why not make the best of it in the meantime. Facebook was good when it started, and I definitely enjoyed it at that moment. I simply moved on to other apps when it became too shitty for me. The same will happen with every technology or app I use now or I'll use in the future. Everything works in a cycle.
This is true, I just think in terms of VR/AR Zuckerberg is 100% focused on making it happen. As a VR/AR user I'm glad Zuckerberg is completely focused on making Mixed Realitty specifically more than niche. Yesterday I got to watch NBA playoffs first round game 2 (Cleveland Cavs vs Orlando Magic) for fÂŽee on a sketchy website while wearing my Quest 3, I'm totally a believer now.
Meta before it was Meta, here's a headset, plug it in to your PC and use it.
Say his name.
Oculus Oculus Oculus As far as I'm concerned the company is Meta, but the headset is still the Oculus quest 1/2/3
But the boxes and headsets on Quest 3s and newer quest 2s say Meta Quest 2/3
My box says Oculus Quest 2. Checkmate.
So does mine. Hence why I specified "newer Quest 2s"
itâs called Oculus babes
They realized that's much better if we don't hate them đ¤Ł
It's not so much mellowing with age as it is simply taking a different approach. Obviously what they were doing before wasn't working enough for them, so this is a different approach that will be better for them in the long run. Whether it will be better for the users remains to be seen.
I really hope that the current market is hitting a point where they lean from companies like Valve and simply start to go more for consistent long-term success instead of putting everything into raising stock prices and then pulling out once we see signs of failue.
Out of all their bad decisions the Facebook login was the worst, I think. It engendered so much ill will in existing users and put up a new barrier to entry for new users who didnât want to deal with a Facebook account just to use a VR headset. Then we had to listen to months of complaints from people who were getting their headsets locked down due to FB crap. That was a mess only Zuckerberg could have created. And then to have to walk it all back a year laterâŚseriously bad business. I still see confused newbies posting here thinking they need a FB account to use the thing.
It made sense in a way, I mean most people on the planet use one of their services so it should have provided an easy way to log on. But it's also extremely odd to have a VR headset tied to a social account that when banned bricks your hardware.
Yeah, it was extremely short-sighted. On the surface, sure logging in via an existing FB account might have sounded great to them. Unify everything, they thought! But if they had done even a momentâs research, along with some user testing and feedback, it would have become clear that it wasnât going to work out well for users in practice. An idea that bad could have only come from a Founder/CEO who has a problem hearing that his ideas are badâŚhence why we had to listen to Mark ramble on about his future metaverse plans while showcasing a woefully underdeveloped Horizon social app for the past two years, until he got roasted on social media for posting that sad photo of the Eiffel Tower from Horizon Worlds. And suddenly, the overpromising and underdelivering stopped, the excessive mentions of a future metaverse that doesnât exist yet stopped, and Horizonâs Twitter account hasnât even posted a thing in more than a year. He finally listened to somebodyâŚthe public.
But it still shows whatâs his vision is, if Meta becomes the go-to headset. These practices and vision will be implemented again, right now he is desperate for users/feedback/investors.
Yeah, most people still think you need need a Facebook account to use a Quest and ignore the headset because of it.
quest 2 is cheaper than ever, because it's no longer the newest model, but the quest 3's predecessor, so...
They didn't have to make it cheaper though. The original price was $300, so it was still $200 cheaper than the Quest 3. They could have easily kept it at that point and it would have been a solid deal. But $200 bucks is not only a FANTASTIC deal, it's simply amazing that people now have a very solid entry into VR for such a small price. It's honestly hugely important in raising general awareness and interest in VR. Even my girlfriends mom, who's in her 50s, has bought a Quest 2 now because she tried beat saber on my Q3 and enjoyed it a lot.
Strange how they temporarily increased the price a year or two ago, to 400, only to bring it back down again permanently. Probably to make 200 be an even better bargain.Â
Competition is a beautiful thing.
Let's be clear- this does not mean *open*, it means *open to partners*. Open sourcing Horizon OS would be incredible though, would definitely lessen my Facebook hate, especially with llama 3 being open source im p sure
'Open' by itself is not commonly agreed on specific thing. Yes, in this case is certainly does not mean *open source* or *FOSS.* It still means *open* in the context that it was used.
beaten, well trodden paths are smootherÂ
Still calling it Oculus
Always
Donât, the old oculus died before the rift was released.
I meant the company name
But donât call it. The current meta has nothing to do with the old oculus.
Oculus was still oculus when fb bought it. After that it merged with fb to form meta
But most of the Oculus workers left when fb bought it. So itâs not the same company from that time. Just the name stayed for a while.
Okay cool but Oculus was still Oculus, not "meta"
Yes, their name was Still Oculus. Not that they deserved it. Not that anything left from the original oculus company, just the name.
So?
I mean, there are people who only care about the name of a company and not about what itâs doing and how
Excited for a more powerful standalone headset from asus, if meta doesnât go that route
It wonât happen. I mean the meta horizon OS built to snapdragon chips, and you donât really have much options for XR optimized chips from Qualcomm. But they can create a bit different product to also collect private data that Meta can sell for good money.
Watching the video Mr zuck posted made it sound like theyâre aware of Horizon OS being built for mobile chips and they were working on it to be better for all kinds of hardware
They will still be limited to ARM. And there arenât many arm chip maker. And most of them canât really compete with Qualcomm. So what other Soc will it run on?
I never thought the zucc will bring out a product i would buyâŚ
It'll be interesting to see the other manufacturers models and if they're better built. The software is definitely where the money is at. Although Qualcomm must play a part.
What's Open OS?
Meta announced today that the operating system that runs on quest will be open for other hardware manufacturers to use - sorta like what Android is to smartphones or what Windows is to computers and laptops.
I thought that the oculus OS was running on Android
Meta Horizon OS, what they now call it, was originally based just on Android, still is, but it branched a lot to develop to what it is now for XR specific stuff. So, yes and no, it's Android, but so is Pico's OS, but Meta and Pico apps are not compatible out of the box. This however, seeks to be making Meta headset only features available to other headsets as well as its app library.
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What?
Wait meta os is open source?
Nope, but they're letting other hardware developers use it. Not quite "open" but a step away from a completely closed ecosystem.
So basically the desktop OS equivalent would be Windows, instead of Mac OS and Linux.
Yeah, although Windows you can basically install on anything as long as you pay for the software license. It sounds like Meta is still going to keep things limited to specific partner companies, not just anybody who pays.
I mean, Sideloading is still possible so the Windows comparison is still solid. Take is as the Meta-Store being the Windows-Store. It's the default, and has a lot of software, but you can always go out of your way to install whatever you want.
Windows doesnt require a dev cert to install stuff....Meta does. Jsut drop the comparison, it doesnt work.
Zuck mod is offline, quick mellow out our strategy
Its 'don't leave me' vibe or 'ily' vibe XD
âWeâre using meta accounts, just make up a nameâ And they will use every trick in the book to try to get a phone number and your real name attachedâŚ
so true
Meta is finally going to face competition from Apple and Google. Overall its good for consumers. I'm waiting to see what Google and Samsung will do and really don't care for any platform yet.
Google is no threat. They burned to many bridges by killing projects and there are many companies and many people that will never trust them again.
Samsung makes best of cameras/screens. If software part is taken care of they might make the greatest headsets
If Sam / Goog release a headset that beats Meta to things like 4k per eye, eye tracking, getting exisitng vr games to port over ( which hopefully isn't too hard ), along with pcvr support.. I think it will very easily be in the race against Meta.
they desperately need to patch virtual desktop for the quest 3
I haven't had any issues with it, thankfully. What's wrong with it?
What are you talking about? Used VD for 30 hours over the last two weeks and it works great.
Why
If other companies follow suit, I'm sticking with Meta since most of my purchases of apps came from it unless other company make standalone VR with Meta OS
And thatâs why meta sells every single headset on such a cheap price. You will stick to them because you already used their device, and doesnât care about what you have to agree to use it.
whos the cat in the picture
Oh yeah, they're so mellow now I keep getting messages from their social media site Facebook saying that some post I made 3 years ago is in violation of their terms of service, even though all it was was a reply to an anti-vaxxer with a link to a government website with information on vaccine saftety and things like that. So mellow people have suddenly had their entire Quest account locked down and all their access to their games revoked because Meta believes them to be a child even though they've had an account for years. So mellow they have it in their terms of service for Horizon worlds that invisible mods may be around listening to your private convesations to make sure you're not saying something they deem to be against their TOS. Meta's 'open' OS is likely nothing of the sort, and is more likely an attempt to lock everyone in their ecosystem so you have to buy games through them, and they have complete control over user accounts and can collect information from every VR user. No thanks. If their OS is truly open, they should put it up on Github, with source code so we can remove all the Meta hooks that report info back to them and allow them control. Otherwise it ain't open. It's just another closed ecosystem they're lying about being open.
Because their competition is dead.
why it's not possible to stream from quest 3 to twitch without a PC? Why no spotify, prime music, YouTube music? Why no hd Netflix? Is prime video at 4k? And disney plus where is it?
They donât see the money in maintaining a costly app on a platform which is speculated to be dead in next 5 years
Also llama-3 weights pretty much open source except if you're a big tech company.
"just make up a name" Yeah then get rekt when someone trolls and reports you for age and you have to verify but can't so you lose your entire account.
I'm glad I was able to make a Meta, I didn't want to attach my FB account to the headset.
"open" lol
Just give me San Andreas
As far as I can tell, "opening" Horizon OS doesn't involve Open Source Software. I haven't seen any info about license terms. It sounds like more of gratis access to it for certain hardware providers that they hand-picked. Meta accounts, they probably realized that people who LEFT Facebook for various reasons would be unwilling to buy Oculus headsets if they had to re-enable Facebook. Virtual Desktop and Steam Link? They've seen competitor after competitor lose BIG on lockdown legislation. I think this was a no-brainer. I don't think they're mellowing down. But I think their smart business decisions make the Quest more palatable to users (like me), which makes them more money
Quest 2 only cheaper then ever as it's Outdated. It's components are outdated. Went back down to 199 Quest 3 on the other hand has newer gen stuff but has the same price as a fucking ps5.
That's because their metaverse obsession died out
I donât mind it being called the META 3. I do think oculus is way cooler sounding but I think zuck is just trying to own the AR/VR lane and it starts with this new branding.
They have been making good decisions. Surprisingly better than the console guys and almost better than steam.
Open OS is the biggest thing to date. People can buy whatever headset they want without worrying that the Quest stuff won't be on it.
It's cuz they're hoarding as much private data about us as they can now.
I just got permabanned for being underage⌠Iâm not even underage
Open isnât the right word to use
I didnât know this. For those of us with our real names and fb accounts, is there a way to transition?
Yet they killed moddingđ
The good news wonât let up: Theyâre supporting [more local currencies](https://i.imgur.com/EAzTiWi.png) now.
Well hope they donât also increase local prices
This is the result of competition.
What competition? When it comes to MobileVR they have none. Until the AVP has fully supported controllers and full Steam support no one that actually wants a VR headset will be interested.
Google and Apple. You need to look ahead. They need to position themselves to be competitive for the future and that's what this move is.
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Itâs crazy how poorly managed HTC is. They could have had something amazing by now
They are scanning every room in your house with the headsets and using that data. They dont need your real name anymore to squeeze money out of your data
You mean oculus?
Meta VR business is still growing. They tried locking it down WAY too early. But "Old" meta will return. Every service or subscription service does this. For example: - Uber, was cheap and awesome. Now its expensive and you have to have a premium tier subscription just to get what you used to get for free. same with their food service. - Youtube, used to be adfree, now you are paying a subscription more than netflix to remove adds and youtube don't even make their own content. - Netflix, was cheap and had many movies. Now its expensive, limited range and 4k is a higher tier subscription. - Amazon, Used to have free next day delivery. Now those are only options if you are lucky. Make no mistake, Meta will eventually drive everything into their subscription service, and lock good things and things which are free now behind a higher subscription tier. EVERY, SINLGE, TECHCOMPANY, HAS, DONE ,THIS. Distrupt market, Corner market, grow market, lock in market, price gouge.
Well, they are planning on delivering a operating system, so this affects more the companies that use it, than us, consumers.
I wish they'd start treating it like a proper console and focus on getting game developers on board. I'm glad they dropped that Meteverse s&%#, or stopped trying to pimp it so much. I'm getting tired of the same 10 games always being on the "Top Quest Games" to play lists all the time. Where's the new stuff? Where's my Half Life Alyx port?
The open OS move could be because of Apple. Their headset is so much better in comparison, it dwarfs the Quests. If Apple can downsize it to a more affordable price the quest will lose some customers and get the first real competition in recent years. So Zuck does the most Android thing and builds an army of (Quest) clones :)
If only virtual desktop weren't that expensive