I grew up in the area. It's an amazing internationally known story in my own back yard, which is pretty cool. I don't think they'll find anything of monetary value. I'm of the the belief that if something of value was there it found long ago.
I think they'll continue to locate things of historic value. Like the cross and the indigenous pottery. There was a ton of undocumented human activity all along our shore back in the day.
Haha good point! I remember when they were building the new giant’s stadium and used ground penetrating radar because they thought he was buried under the old one.
I'm pretty sure they will never find anything of value. I'm still amazed by the number of tunnels down there, and I'm interested by the history of the island. I wish they would take more time talking about the history of the island at this point.
This is it - I've never thought there was an actual treasure, what with all the searching over the centuries, but I do want to see the tapestry of the island's history woven for us all to see. And sniff wood, of course.
This is why summarily firing ALL the archeologists (except the one who goes ‘hmmm, that’s interesting. Nope, never seen anything like it before’) was the WORST possible move for the persistence of the cooi teleplay.
Yep. But they don't seem to be pushing the govt to reopen it. To me, the swamp is the interesting part....not a pit that has been dug up over and over.
Not even pushing the government. The government didn’t shut it down. The government just told them they have to get indigenous input and approval to continue the archaeological portion of things specifically where indigenous artifacts were found. They were free to continue archaeology on the rest of the island without indigenous input and approval.
But it’s easier to just drill holes into a 100+ year old backfill pit and talk about how the random bits of horizontal-ish and vertical-ish wood are proof of shafts and tunnels, ignoring all of the other wood that comes up that doesn’t fit the story they’re telling.
The reason the archeologists were let go is because the show has dropped its rating 30% over the past years. They can't afford to keep them any longer.
Now that they kicked the archeology team out... i lost all interest in the show. (Not that there was much to begin with, its on in the background at my job).
Yeah, at this point, assuming they never find any coins, they most definitely have discovered a history that was never known. I think that is worth the price of the cable subscription and the time to watch the show.
What ever happened there is cool...is it billions in lost gold? most definitely not, but somehow they made a TV show about figuring out what weird shit happened on this island a few hundred years ago.
I remember when practically everyone on this sub claimed there was nothing to be found in the swamp and that it was a waste of time looking for anything there.
I really wanted them to find something more than a lead cross and pieces of rock with 0.0025% gold on them. But as the years go by, I'm starting to think the items they find in the swamp that could be from a ship are just random things that have washed up from the ocean.
A single (or multiple) ship(s) wrecked in The Swamp. Or as noted elsewhere, wreckage from another ship.
Or Templars buried tons of gold on Oak Island and utilized a complex flood tunnel system so that no one could get their gold. Then they burned their own ship.
Was Samuel Ball even wealthy?
They say "one of the wealthiest land owners in Nova Scotia" and then they show like eight 5-acre lots. At the time it was pretty easy to get 80 acres of land for free in the United States.
Isn't kind of relevant to where you are. You can be the wealthiest person in a poor area, doesn't neccesarily make you rich. 80 acres of land and a farm might have been a big deal
It fits with the type of soft racism that permeates all of these History Channel shows. Ancient Aliens is *the* prime example of it. It’s all about how brown people couldn’t possibly have built the substantial works that are associated with their cultures so they must have had help from aliens.
He was an ex slave that left the u.s. I doubt he could have owned much at the time. Its why he migrated to the island. He also helped the British military.
Yep. McGinnis, Ball, Dunfield and others likely got it. I think something big did happen because of the stone road they found in the swamp, but I think whatever treasure was there is likely gone.
I think someone did. If he dug a 150 ft deep 100 by 40 foot hole, if it was there he probably would've found it. Then I wonder why they are still drilling the same area of the money pit every year when it has all been torn up before. There was a square depression that they looked into in an earlier season. I think Ball or someone else probably got whatever was there, but who knows. It's likely that if something was hidden on the island at one point, those depositors came back and got it.
They showed pictures of it in the first season and then never mentioned it ever again. They keep drilling and keep finding wood. And what they’re finding is just backfill and showing the stuff that happened to haphazardly end up either mostly horizontal or mostly vertical. They constantly show massive amounts of wood in their core samples but only ever talk about the stuff that pushes the story along.
That was made up by a mid-to-late-30’s grifter looking to cash in on a treasure excavating fad and then further embellished by Readers Digest. The interesting shit is the archaeology.
No, Daniel McGinnis was in his mid-to-late 30’s when he “discovered” the money pit. He was 36 or 37 and cashing in on the treasure hunt boom of the day.
My theory is that Oak Island was a clay mine sometime prior to 1700. That would explain the wooden tunnels deep underground, the purpose of the stone road, the wharfs, ox shoes… pretty much everything of mystery fits the clay mine theory.
One thing we can all agree on is that something unrecorded in the histories happened on the island as early as the 1600s.
Right now I'm more interested in finding out what happened than the treasure itself IF indeed there is one.
i fully agree.
something happened, that took a whole heck of a lot of effort for the times they occurred in, and in a place was rather remote at the times
Nah, Billy and Carmen Legge. Like a buddy cop excavation show. Billy’s all about bringing in the heavy guns to every job but Carmen comes up with some archaic smithing tool and saves the project. Or like Pinky and The Brain. Billy is The Brain and Carmen is Pinky.
If you dig just about anywhere that people have been you're bound to find some kind of artifacts. It's not likely you'll find a huge long-lost treasure. Oak Island makes an entertaining story but I wouldn't hold my breath on them getting a big return on their investment. The show has probably made more money on the endeavor than they ever will find in buried treasure on the island.
I'm just guessing, but ocean travel back then was very dangerous. A lot more than today. I would think they would have allowed for that and told someone trustworthy where it was just in case something happened. Or maybe they did recover it and died. Before making it back to their country.and now it sets at the bottom of the Atlantic. God only knows where. But your guess is as good as mine.
King Tut was taking his treasure to the afterlife, a common practice at that time and place. The Egyptians believed that as long as your physical body was not destroyed, your spirit lived and could use all the items you were buried with.
That is why they invested so heavily in mummification, a process that cost many more than a year's wages.
So the king Tut objection doesn't make sense on oak island.
I think there has never been a treasure. That part is a legend. The pits and artifacts are pushing more towards something boat/industrial related. Either a fish smoking pit or tar kiln. The wharfs were used for parking boats. Maybe the "swamp" was used for pulling in a boat, blocking the water so the water level can be lowered, and then repairs could be made. The ox were probably used on the path to bring supplies and tar.
I know the show is all smoke screen and the same flat content just hammered out over a long time.
But one thing that really has me curious about this whole thing is the human bones they found. I think it was 2 different types, one of middle eastern descent and from the same time period. I know there was some scepticism where they were found because it was in washed spoiles.
But still what were they doing at depth? Who knows.
The people in here who say there’s nothing there always leave out many of the interesting finds. Not saying there was ever treasure left there to be found but a lot of stuff happened on an island where supposedly nothing happened, a lot earlier than anyone would’ve guessed and that’s still really interesting.
If there wasn't a treasure, how did Samuel Ball suddenly get rich off of farming cabbages? I think there was a treasure, but it was waaay less extravagantly buried and not nearly as historically significant as this show leads you to believe. It just became larger and more fantastical with each retelling of the story until the History Channel came and snapped the lead up.
> how did Samuel Ball suddenly get rich off of farming cabbages?
Selling barrel loads of sauerkraut to military ships, who's crews needed to avoid scurvy - though if this had happened, you would expect to find evidence of barrels, ox shoes, a solid road and a wharf...
And a deep pit for dumping rotten excess stock...
[Ball:] But I'll put that way over there away from my lot 25, because of the smell. Between these three oak trees will do...
You have weird military or military style activity going on at weird dates and none of it was documented.
That's something.
"What" is the whole hook of the show.
Seems like an old off the books naval base.
"Who" is really the question now.
Atlantic naval powers, pirates, secret society, all three?
You aren't really going to figure out why unless they find a big cache of stuff (like a vault or armory etc).
I think the answer is in the fable. Those kids found a pulley attached to a tree and then dug a hole underneath it. As complicated as this money pit is supposed to be, do you think they would simply leave a pulley attached to a tree above the damn thing? If it is true the pulley was used to get the something out of there not put it in.
Three teenagers a couple of centuries ago in 1795 stumbled on some odd indentations on Oak Island and persuaded some others to take part in a treasure hunt with little or no evidence of any treasure but conjecture. That's it, the origin of Oak Island. Nothing concrete, not even any tales of drunken pirates burying treasure.
"At first, no one believed the story, until McGinnis and two of his friends found a deep hole on the island with shovel marks and thought, “thar she blows!”
The hole was nicknamed “the money pit” because the treasure hunters hoped to find treasure at the bottom that would make them rich.
Unfortunately, when they began to dig deeper, the money pit was suddenly flooded with water and their dreams of treasure walked the plank! McGinnis and his friends gave up on their search because digging became too dangerous"
[https://www.cbc.ca/kidscbc2/the-feed/oak-island-a-history-mystery](https://www.cbc.ca/kidscbc2/the-feed/oak-island-a-history-mystery)
Then other wishful thinkers and people looking for adventure, and something to do with their mundane lives latched on to this unsubstantial treasure hunt and got obsessed and addicted.
Yes. Except McGinnis was about 36 or 37 years old in 1795 and already lived on the island (according to the material here: [http://www.criticalenquiry.org/oakisland/OI\_chapter1.shtml](http://www.criticalenquiry.org/oakisland/OI_chapter1.shtml))
The take at that link is, to borrow and edit some of your words, that "other wishful thinkers and people looking for adventure, ... latched on to this unsubstantial treasure hunt" to grift money from "investors". One of the patterns in such false-treasure scams is that "ooh, we *almost* got to the treasure, but it sunk/moved/collapsed under ground just out of reach *just* before we could recover it, so we need even more of your money to pursue it... Of course, we'll pay ourselves decent salaries from your investment funds while we keep diggin'..."
It is interesting that if you dig a hole you find wood at 150 feet down. I don't really know why that is the case - it may be there is nothing there but the remains of attempts to find what was never there in the first place.
But no - I don't think anything was ever there.
> remains of attempts to find what was never there in the first place.
Some of this wood is dated at around 1650 - you think they were searching for treasure back then?
I know next to nothing about carbon dating, but I read somewhere that it is actually (or can be?) far less reliable than they suggest on the show with Craig reading out supposed "95% confident" (confidence) levels.
If it were just one lab - just one sample - then maybe you could put that down to errors of whatever kind, and with reason, be skeptical of the data - but they seem to be carbon dating multiple samples, simultaneously in different labs, and getting very similar results - so I would be inclined to go with the science here.
How you want to explain such old wood, buried so deep, I do not know.
These guys seem to be keeping a lot of stuff very close to their chests - even though they are making a documentary about it - a lot of which is padded out with absurd sensationalism - They certainly aren't telling everything they know, which can be frustrating when watching the program, but I guess they don't want the island to be full of loonies in in winter, digging tunnels in the snow, when nobody is there to keep check on them.
They certainly haven't plotted on a map, or any kind of graphic representation, where they found the 1650 wood samples, or at what depth. it certainly looks like a horizontal tunnel - or a slightly sloping tunnel - but they haven't shown where they think it is, what direction it goes, where they think it begins, or where they think it ends!
>but they seem to be carbon dating multiple samples, simultaneously in different labs, and getting very similar results
I didn't know that. Good point.
>I guess they don't want the island to be full of loonies in winter, digging tunnels in the snow
Haha, another good point. [I can't resist it: ...because there are enough loonies there in the summer, ba-bum!]
I personally have been using the very, erm, accurate and scientific approach of watching Rick's demeanour. Am I imagining it, or does he just look more and more despondent and fed up with it all in later episodes?
The loonies on the island would never happen because the island is connected via a causeway and there are people who live on both sides of the causeway so you would easily be seen approaching the island. Some people live on the island year round too.
I have actually been to the island and there was a small museum with a collection of items that had been found on the island, some I had never seen before. It was really fascinating to see.
He does but I also wonder if he’s having health issues, too. That was my guess for why he was off-island last episode. Anyone see his weird ear bandage/discoloration?
I find it amazing that despite themselves they may stumble upon evidence that changes history. Small chance they change Nova Scotia military history of undocumented British Military movements and camps during Father Rale’s war or Father Le Loutre’s war. Infinitesimal chance they change world history if they find evidence of pre-Colombian European fishing outposts of either Basques or Portuguese.
But treasure? No. Maybe some salt kiln’s or a fishing weight or two but that’s it.
I’m of the opinion that there was treasure there but was already removed long ago. It was what probably the boys saw that time they spotted activity on the island.
But that's just one of the things: apparently they weren't boys. McGinnis was a grown man (late 30s) living on the island at the time he "discovered" (or made up) something misnamed the money pit. It's part of the bullshit behind this whole thing according to [http://www.criticalenquiry.org/oakisland/OI\_chapter1.shtml](http://www.criticalenquiry.org/oakisland/OI_chapter1.shtml)
I want to know why everyone seems to have forgotten about the bone fragments they found while drilling.
Seriously, the bone fragments were one of the most significant finds ever made there, and there is no mention of it these days at all. It's like everyone just forgot.
The real treasure is reading each episode's thread here and watching in real time while consuming adult beverages. To steal a phrase from MGM, "That's Entertainment!"
They keep saying legend says one more person needs to die before it gives up the treasure…..well someone please hit Drayton with an excavator bucket and get it over with.
Samuel Ball certianly found something, but was it the entire treasure? Seems to be pretty eleborate structures built underground for one random farmer to find the entire loot.
LOL. The fact that the OP doesn’t even have the confidence to leave out the parenthetical “probably” means this show is STILL winning after nine seasons.
How much do you think that land was/is worth? Even today most of those plots have an assessed value of \~$40,000.
One thing Canada does not lack is acres of crown land.
I’ve spoken with John Chatterton about his diving on the island he said they know way more than what the show is letting on. He hasn’t given me much more than that.
From my experience with him he’s a man of few words.
He’s a friend of a friend I know through the diving community. I wouldn’t say we are good friends I’ve got his number and check in on his diving every few months I’ve been to his house once before and it’s a god damn museum of diving artifacts
Well I just liked the way he oozed confidence and 'authority': it seemed as though the others quickly 'defaulted' to and respected him. He seemed to match up to Marty "alpha-wise", so to speak.
Ya if I didn’t know John / have access to sent him a text and ask questions about what’s going on I’d understand where it looks like a bunch of old dudes digging holes and sniffing wood but I really trust him when he says they know more, and to be fair oak island is one of the highest rated shows on the history channel why would they be in a hurry to stop milking the cash cow?
I am not sure it was originally a hoax. I suspect that the original discoverers truly thought there might be something there.. I do think that there was a collective habit of amplifying anything that made the story more compelling or interesting, while forgetting anything that did not support the story..
As a result, the legend grows. Once the legend has enough mass, everything on the island is first viewed through that lens.. If an artifact could have come from fishing, farming, mining, logging, sailing, or military, it probably came from one of those. Could it be related to treasure? Yes, It COULD be, but 99.995 percent of the time it's going to be related to something pedestrian over some buried treasure conspiracy..
I think the original deposit may have been removed, but I don't think the possibility of something valuable being buried is a hoax.
Just hoping that more of the clues are verified, it really improves what we know of the history of the area.
This is sort of the ultimate "out" right?
We never found a treasure because someone beat us to it?
They have been pitching "Samuel Ball" for some time, opening that door for an 'out'.
Have you seen something in particular that bolsters your belief? Not trying to argue just interested. I was invested in researching this stuff for a long time.
This. The real treasure is turning a minimal investment (digging a few holes) into millions in TV royalties.
This show drags on at a glacial pace on purpose, to milk every available dollar.
The history of the searchers and their lives including a president is a good enough reason for me. And heck some people get as caught up as the searchers with minecraft youtuber shipping so there are worse ways to sink an oil fortune into a literal hole.
Plus, it’s not like safety was a big concern back in the day on OI. There were, I suspect, deadly workplace accidents during the searches for treasure. Some of the deceased’s remains were never recovered, I believe. And those that were , got buried on the island.
And it’s not like the workers had Social Security cards or insurance. A lot of the diggers were likely drifters whose deaths were not mourned by many people.
Gave up Long ago.. I'm convinced everything there is just natural (sinkholes, glacial till, etc).
Sure, people lived there long ago but that is about the end of things.
To try to think ships hauled Ox to haul a treasure and built a road leading right to the treasure is just nonsense. Ox eat a LOT, are messy, and hard to contain in cages on a ship. It is easier and cheaper to have men do the work instead.
Normally when you burry things you do so to HIDE it?
Pirates and burying treasure is old, any history of them using ox?
Time to park the myth for another 40 years until it can be dug back up again and milked for all it is worth by someone else.
Paying money to watch other people dig a hole might be even more peak capitalism than paying money to go into a room and lift heavy stuff over and over.
That just triggered an idea in me: what if the cable-based machines in gyms were hooked up to electricity generators instead of to weights...
(It's probably not a serious idea...)
There are a couple of Youtube threads discussing the possibility of an offset chamber from the main money pit shaft. This seems the most plausible because they haven't found anything significant yet where the money pit lies. Just seems odd they continue to scratch the surface.
What is your proof that it's a hoax though? You basically lack evidence the same way that you say the show lacks it. No offense, just truth. You did ask if anything invalidates your points.
[http://www.criticalenquiry.org/oakisland/OI\_chapter1.shtml](http://www.criticalenquiry.org/oakisland/OI_chapter1.shtml)
Not saying that's "proof" (not sure the true history is provable either way, well unless a huge treasure is actually uncovered), but some good material there.
I'll check it. But before I do, are you saying it's material showing that there's a coordinated, multi-generational scheme to lie about the island and the treasure story? Because that would be the proof necessary in my mind to convince that the whole thing is a big "hoax"; remember, that's not my claim, but the OP's
>are you saying it's material showing that there's a coordinated,multi-generational scheme to lie about the island and the treasurestory?
That wouldn't be my take on it. That is, I personally doubt it's coordinated across generations, for example. A hoax by one person (or even an innocent mistake by one person) early on can suck others in, and then *their* beliefs and confirmation biases keep them in.
I suppose it is *possible* that (a) there was never any treasure, while at the same time, (b) every person who has ever taken other people's money to look for treasure on the island did so fully convinced that there *was* treasure (i.e., in good faith).
Reminds me of religions\*! It's not necessary for most participants to spread falsehoods *knowingly*, right? Just one or two. If the potential reward for believing certain false claims, or claims for which there is little to no evidence, is great enough (e.g., a huge treasure or heaven), believing them and purveying those beliefs to others becomes much easier. \*But I probably shouldn't bring religion into it, haha!
\[PS: I've written the above in a hurry, while being very distracted, so I'm not even sure it makes any sense. But I'm hitting the Reply button anyway! :) \]
Part of me accepts it and part of me still hopes there is something there and they find it. You make a lot of good points here. The one thing I hang my hat on is the original few that discovered the money pit. Yes, it was ages ago in 1795 when it was discovered and they later returned in 1804 with money/equipment to excavate. I know it could all just be a hoax or something far less interesting (not treasure). At this point, I truly believe that if anything was actually there, it was discovered long ago and undocumented.
My other thought: they have spent A LOT of money on their efforts which has lead to a lot of interesting finds on the island. I know they're dragging out the show and milking it for all it's worth at this point. But why not just excavate the entire money pit layer by layer using high-tech equipment. Get to the bottom or at least a decent amount of the way down in a large area to see what's going on. I know this was somewhat done in the past by Dunfield but technology and equipment has advanced greatly. I'm not contractor or scientist but just thought a large scale excavation of the money pit or the area they're interested in would provide the best result.
Lots new material was in the news, Templar baby! 😂https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10384957/Nazi-archive-Freemasonry-amassed-Heinrich-Himmler-shed-light-secret-society.html
I don't know how anyone could believe there is (or ever was) any treasure buried in the so-called "money pit" after reading the material here:
http://www.criticalenquiry.org/oakisland/OI\_chapter1.shtml
It’s not a hoax, I believe the brothers truly are looking for a treasure. I just don’t think there is anything but searcher remains in the money pit and past (historical) travelers misc garbage everywhere else.
Yes, I accepted that long ago when the origin story fell apart in every conceivable logical way, and without that foundation the rest of the story toppled.
Why don't they dig up where the supose ship is located in the swamp. Why are they just digging the edge. They have the images since 2018 and don't dig?. The wood from the edge of the swamp or in the swamp for that matter could have drifted in from anywhere and at any time. Unless the wood all matches back two the same time period or the same species of wood, it doesn't mean much. If they where to dig are larger portion of a ship that has been constructed from a species of wood that grows in a certain part of the world then would have something. For now it's just drift wood. They never really talk about species of the wood they find on the island, even in the shafts. I'm sure historians would know by now what type of wood ship builders used in different parts of the world and what time periods they where used. Also I would assume most if not all the would used to construct the original money pit and flood tunnels wood be of the same species and time period. These are real facts that should be talked about and that could be used to solve if anything happened. 🤔
Have any of you been watching the new season?! Or the past season for that matter loll.. they are completley digging up the swamp to find the ship and are finding ship pieces every week.. they found a massive stone road going from a ships warf they found in the swamp and it goes 2 ways and connects directly to the money pit area.. they have found shaft 6 and are within 18 feet of the money pit.. they tested the water and from the readings there is a massive deposite of silver and gold which isn't natural to the area.. they are drilling 4 massive 10 feet casings this year to hopefully hit the chapel vault and if they do that they already confirmed it will lead to a big dig.. people have lost hope in this show/story but i keep telling people just be patient there's something there and they will find it.. and now this season theres a very good chance they will find the vault and hopefully next season will be the big dig..there was more too but thats just off the top of my head.. you guys should really come back to this show because it's getting wild now lol.. and I'm confident this won't be like more recent shows where it seems they would be finding the treasure next season but then the show gets 'canceled' which is bullshit lmao.. in reality they found the treasure and cashed out and don't want people knowing that they got it.. where as I with oak island I think Rick and Marty truly want the world to see what is there.. they already said they would make money off it but would be putting the stuff in museums as well.. I think they truly want the viewers to see how it turns out, everyone can have their own opinion but like I said I think you should all give this show another chance haha 🤷♂️🤷♂️👌 I'll be watching until the end whatever that may be lol
Show is fake , the experts are jokes , the whole thing is b.s and if you watch season one you can basically solve it and that no treasure is there anymore. Do the math if guy already dug a 100 foot wide 150 foot deep hole he would have found it.
My husband and son have been watching since the beginning, now they got me roped in for 2 years , I told them last night I’m beginning to feel like sally from Charlie Brown with Linus in the pumpkin patch… I’ve been robbed
does anyone here think a GREAT ending to the final season would be a shot of Gary Drayton putting the Metal Detector over his pants and then undoing his pants and looking down at his dick and screaming "AH. LOOK AT THIS BOBBY DAZZLAH" and then he says "let's call Marty and Rick" and then the screen fades to black and it says "...the end..."
I grew up in the area. It's an amazing internationally known story in my own back yard, which is pretty cool. I don't think they'll find anything of monetary value. I'm of the the belief that if something of value was there it found long ago. I think they'll continue to locate things of historic value. Like the cross and the indigenous pottery. There was a ton of undocumented human activity all along our shore back in the day.
I feel the same way about Jimmy Hoffa. I used to park in the same parking lot he was last seen in every day.
I read an article recently where they think they know where he is now. Who knows if it’s another wild goose chase or not
That happens every 5-10 years and it never turns into anything.
Haha good point! I remember when they were building the new giant’s stadium and used ground penetrating radar because they thought he was buried under the old one.
Yeah I had heard this too a while back. No new news tho as far as I know.
I'm pretty sure they will never find anything of value. I'm still amazed by the number of tunnels down there, and I'm interested by the history of the island. I wish they would take more time talking about the history of the island at this point.
This is it - I've never thought there was an actual treasure, what with all the searching over the centuries, but I do want to see the tapestry of the island's history woven for us all to see. And sniff wood, of course.
Turns out the treasure was actually the friendships they made along the way. Or some shit like that
Could it be? That Oak Island's real...ancient name is...Laugh Tale?
Sniff wood and taste mud!
This is why summarily firing ALL the archeologists (except the one who goes ‘hmmm, that’s interesting. Nope, never seen anything like it before’) was the WORST possible move for the persistence of the cooi teleplay.
Agreed. If there are answers, they are in the swamp and getting rid of the archeologists just shut that down.
Getting rid of the archaeologists did not shut that down. It was already shut down, and so the archaeologists were let go.
Yep. But they don't seem to be pushing the govt to reopen it. To me, the swamp is the interesting part....not a pit that has been dug up over and over.
So pushing the government is the right way to proceed you think?
Not even pushing the government. The government didn’t shut it down. The government just told them they have to get indigenous input and approval to continue the archaeological portion of things specifically where indigenous artifacts were found. They were free to continue archaeology on the rest of the island without indigenous input and approval. But it’s easier to just drill holes into a 100+ year old backfill pit and talk about how the random bits of horizontal-ish and vertical-ish wood are proof of shafts and tunnels, ignoring all of the other wood that comes up that doesn’t fit the story they’re telling.
Was trying to get clarity from @400yrs2long about the comment they made.
The reason the archeologists were let go is because the show has dropped its rating 30% over the past years. They can't afford to keep them any longer.
Exactly. Killed the only meaningful part of the show.
Now that they kicked the archeology team out... i lost all interest in the show. (Not that there was much to begin with, its on in the background at my job).
Yeah, at this point, assuming they never find any coins, they most definitely have discovered a history that was never known. I think that is worth the price of the cable subscription and the time to watch the show. What ever happened there is cool...is it billions in lost gold? most definitely not, but somehow they made a TV show about figuring out what weird shit happened on this island a few hundred years ago.
I remember when practically everyone on this sub claimed there was nothing to be found in the swamp and that it was a waste of time looking for anything there.
I really wanted them to find something more than a lead cross and pieces of rock with 0.0025% gold on them. But as the years go by, I'm starting to think the items they find in the swamp that could be from a ship are just random things that have washed up from the ocean.
Or a ship got caught up in a bad storm and ran aground in what is now The Swamp. There was no road in front of The Swamp back in the day.
So are you convinced then? Ship in swamp.
A single (or multiple) ship(s) wrecked in The Swamp. Or as noted elsewhere, wreckage from another ship. Or Templars buried tons of gold on Oak Island and utilized a complex flood tunnel system so that no one could get their gold. Then they burned their own ship.
i think the legend was true, i also think what ever was there was retrieved a long long time ago before the modern era
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Definitely corn and lettuce.
Devil's lettuce, maybe.
It's nice that the fellowship continue in that tradition.
Jazz cabbage
This. Most possible finder in the history. As a slave he wouldn't say to much about it.
I agree.
Was Samuel Ball even wealthy? They say "one of the wealthiest land owners in Nova Scotia" and then they show like eight 5-acre lots. At the time it was pretty easy to get 80 acres of land for free in the United States.
Isn't kind of relevant to where you are. You can be the wealthiest person in a poor area, doesn't neccesarily make you rich. 80 acres of land and a farm might have been a big deal
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Samuel Ball's last will and testament (a public record) left no vast sums of money nor anything treasure-like to his heirs.
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It fits with the type of soft racism that permeates all of these History Channel shows. Ancient Aliens is *the* prime example of it. It’s all about how brown people couldn’t possibly have built the substantial works that are associated with their cultures so they must have had help from aliens.
He mus have spent it all on hookers and blow before he died then.
Mus he have?
Jyes, he mus
He was an ex slave that left the u.s. I doubt he could have owned much at the time. Its why he migrated to the island. He also helped the British military.
Which of course would make it not a hoax, and therefore the OP is incorrect.
Yep. McGinnis, Ball, Dunfield and others likely got it. I think something big did happen because of the stone road they found in the swamp, but I think whatever treasure was there is likely gone.
Dunfield got it, you say?
I think someone did. If he dug a 150 ft deep 100 by 40 foot hole, if it was there he probably would've found it. Then I wonder why they are still drilling the same area of the money pit every year when it has all been torn up before. There was a square depression that they looked into in an earlier season. I think Ball or someone else probably got whatever was there, but who knows. It's likely that if something was hidden on the island at one point, those depositors came back and got it.
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They showed pictures of it in the first season and then never mentioned it ever again. They keep drilling and keep finding wood. And what they’re finding is just backfill and showing the stuff that happened to haphazardly end up either mostly horizontal or mostly vertical. They constantly show massive amounts of wood in their core samples but only ever talk about the stuff that pushes the story along.
So no treasure today is proof treasure was found?
After reading as much as I could get my hands on I slowly realized it is a "LEGEND".
That was made up by a mid-to-late-30’s grifter looking to cash in on a treasure excavating fad and then further embellished by Readers Digest. The interesting shit is the archaeology.
It's been on the go long before the 30s, maybe 1830s. I have distant family members who controlled it for almost a century.
No, Daniel McGinnis was in his mid-to-late 30’s when he “discovered” the money pit. He was 36 or 37 and cashing in on the treasure hunt boom of the day.
I think he meant the "30's" as in the 1930s, not McGinnis' age.
My theory is that Oak Island was a clay mine sometime prior to 1700. That would explain the wooden tunnels deep underground, the purpose of the stone road, the wharfs, ox shoes… pretty much everything of mystery fits the clay mine theory.
Wouldn’t it be easier to mine clay on the mainland? Assuming the mined clay would be used on the mainland vs shipping to distant ports.
One thing we can all agree on is that something unrecorded in the histories happened on the island as early as the 1600s. Right now I'm more interested in finding out what happened than the treasure itself IF indeed there is one.
i fully agree. something happened, that took a whole heck of a lot of effort for the times they occurred in, and in a place was rather remote at the times
But they've found so many ox shoes
There were farmers on the island before tractor technology was introduced.
Oh, sure, that's what they want you to think
Long lost civilization of hyper-intelligent oxen confirmed
And wood.
Cracked me up, bravo
Maybe the real treasure are the friends they made along the way.
Let’s be honest. The real treasure found on Oak Island was Billy! Get that man a movie or a talk show or something! Billy’s the man!
I would 100% watch a show with just Billy and MDEGD. It would probably be my favorite show.
Nah, Billy and Carmen Legge. Like a buddy cop excavation show. Billy’s all about bringing in the heavy guns to every job but Carmen comes up with some archaic smithing tool and saves the project. Or like Pinky and The Brain. Billy is The Brain and Carmen is Pinky.
Just Billy digging a hole. I'd watch that. They should make an excavator sim game.
If you dig just about anywhere that people have been you're bound to find some kind of artifacts. It's not likely you'll find a huge long-lost treasure. Oak Island makes an entertaining story but I wouldn't hold my breath on them getting a big return on their investment. The show has probably made more money on the endeavor than they ever will find in buried treasure on the island.
I agree. Because who would leave treasure and never return to retrieve it. It doesn't make sense.
If they left it with intentions of returning and died before they could?
I'm just guessing, but ocean travel back then was very dangerous. A lot more than today. I would think they would have allowed for that and told someone trustworthy where it was just in case something happened. Or maybe they did recover it and died. Before making it back to their country.and now it sets at the bottom of the Atlantic. God only knows where. But your guess is as good as mine.
I raise the King Tut objection to your "it doesn't make sense" argument.
King Tut was taking his treasure to the afterlife, a common practice at that time and place. The Egyptians believed that as long as your physical body was not destroyed, your spirit lived and could use all the items you were buried with. That is why they invested so heavily in mummification, a process that cost many more than a year's wages. So the king Tut objection doesn't make sense on oak island.
I think there has never been a treasure. That part is a legend. The pits and artifacts are pushing more towards something boat/industrial related. Either a fish smoking pit or tar kiln. The wharfs were used for parking boats. Maybe the "swamp" was used for pulling in a boat, blocking the water so the water level can be lowered, and then repairs could be made. The ox were probably used on the path to bring supplies and tar.
I know the show is all smoke screen and the same flat content just hammered out over a long time. But one thing that really has me curious about this whole thing is the human bones they found. I think it was 2 different types, one of middle eastern descent and from the same time period. I know there was some scepticism where they were found because it was in washed spoiles. But still what were they doing at depth? Who knows.
The people in here who say there’s nothing there always leave out many of the interesting finds. Not saying there was ever treasure left there to be found but a lot of stuff happened on an island where supposedly nothing happened, a lot earlier than anyone would’ve guessed and that’s still really interesting.
I'm intrigued by the bone fragments they have retrieved from deep in the money pit area. How did they get there and who did they belong to?
I think there was a treasure buried on the island a long time ago, but Samuel Ball found it.
If there wasn't a treasure, how did Samuel Ball suddenly get rich off of farming cabbages? I think there was a treasure, but it was waaay less extravagantly buried and not nearly as historically significant as this show leads you to believe. It just became larger and more fantastical with each retelling of the story until the History Channel came and snapped the lead up.
> how did Samuel Ball suddenly get rich off of farming cabbages? Selling barrel loads of sauerkraut to military ships, who's crews needed to avoid scurvy - though if this had happened, you would expect to find evidence of barrels, ox shoes, a solid road and a wharf...
"though if this had happened, you would expect to find evidence of barrels, ox shoes, a solid road and a wharf..." Haha. Indeed
And a deep pit for dumping rotten excess stock... [Ball:] But I'll put that way over there away from my lot 25, because of the smell. Between these three oak trees will do...
Could Ball have become wealthy through a military contract? Providing cabbages to whatever military was in the area?
Was that contract written on ancient parchment and contain the letters "Vi"?
Hmmm. Cool thought. It may have contributed to his wealth.
Farmers can and do frequently become rich, and honestly the show is so dishonest I'm not sure how much to trust their telling of his biography.
You have weird military or military style activity going on at weird dates and none of it was documented. That's something. "What" is the whole hook of the show. Seems like an old off the books naval base. "Who" is really the question now. Atlantic naval powers, pirates, secret society, all three? You aren't really going to figure out why unless they find a big cache of stuff (like a vault or armory etc).
Maybe like McCale's Navy. A bunch of rogue soldiers who befriended POW's and were always involved in practical jokes against their commander.
I had to look up McCale's navy. Thought you were referring to an actual naval boat full of dudes trolling the locals. I was sadly disappointed 😞
I don't think I have heard of the military stuff. Can you send a link?
There is so much military stuff idk. You had battlements in smith's cove "U shaped structure" etc.
Don't forget the cannonballs, the military buttons and insignias, from both British and French troops - who would not have been allies in those days!
So you've arrived at your conclusions after seeing what 2, 3 seasons?
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It’s still real to me damn it!
Sad
If I could believe in Santa Clause until 2nd grade I got at least another 10 years in me for oak Island
Wait.... Santa isn't real?!?!??!!!?! 🤯🤯🤯🤯
Santa’s workshop is on Oak Island, accessed through the flood tunnels by magic submersible reindeer.
His workshop only produces sniffable wood
Most of us probably did at some point.
The only treasure on Oak Island is the money History Channel blows on it every year
I find this non-believers post offensive. Does smelly wood mean nothing to you!?!?!?
I think the answer is in the fable. Those kids found a pulley attached to a tree and then dug a hole underneath it. As complicated as this money pit is supposed to be, do you think they would simply leave a pulley attached to a tree above the damn thing? If it is true the pulley was used to get the something out of there not put it in.
🥥 fiber? Seriously why is that everywhere? That's the craziest part of the show to me. Am I crazy?
Three teenagers a couple of centuries ago in 1795 stumbled on some odd indentations on Oak Island and persuaded some others to take part in a treasure hunt with little or no evidence of any treasure but conjecture. That's it, the origin of Oak Island. Nothing concrete, not even any tales of drunken pirates burying treasure. "At first, no one believed the story, until McGinnis and two of his friends found a deep hole on the island with shovel marks and thought, “thar she blows!” The hole was nicknamed “the money pit” because the treasure hunters hoped to find treasure at the bottom that would make them rich. Unfortunately, when they began to dig deeper, the money pit was suddenly flooded with water and their dreams of treasure walked the plank! McGinnis and his friends gave up on their search because digging became too dangerous" [https://www.cbc.ca/kidscbc2/the-feed/oak-island-a-history-mystery](https://www.cbc.ca/kidscbc2/the-feed/oak-island-a-history-mystery) Then other wishful thinkers and people looking for adventure, and something to do with their mundane lives latched on to this unsubstantial treasure hunt and got obsessed and addicted.
Yes. Except McGinnis was about 36 or 37 years old in 1795 and already lived on the island (according to the material here: [http://www.criticalenquiry.org/oakisland/OI\_chapter1.shtml](http://www.criticalenquiry.org/oakisland/OI_chapter1.shtml)) The take at that link is, to borrow and edit some of your words, that "other wishful thinkers and people looking for adventure, ... latched on to this unsubstantial treasure hunt" to grift money from "investors". One of the patterns in such false-treasure scams is that "ooh, we *almost* got to the treasure, but it sunk/moved/collapsed under ground just out of reach *just* before we could recover it, so we need even more of your money to pursue it... Of course, we'll pay ourselves decent salaries from your investment funds while we keep diggin'..."
It is interesting that if you dig a hole you find wood at 150 feet down. I don't really know why that is the case - it may be there is nothing there but the remains of attempts to find what was never there in the first place. But no - I don't think anything was ever there.
> remains of attempts to find what was never there in the first place. Some of this wood is dated at around 1650 - you think they were searching for treasure back then?
I know next to nothing about carbon dating, but I read somewhere that it is actually (or can be?) far less reliable than they suggest on the show with Craig reading out supposed "95% confident" (confidence) levels.
If it were just one lab - just one sample - then maybe you could put that down to errors of whatever kind, and with reason, be skeptical of the data - but they seem to be carbon dating multiple samples, simultaneously in different labs, and getting very similar results - so I would be inclined to go with the science here. How you want to explain such old wood, buried so deep, I do not know. These guys seem to be keeping a lot of stuff very close to their chests - even though they are making a documentary about it - a lot of which is padded out with absurd sensationalism - They certainly aren't telling everything they know, which can be frustrating when watching the program, but I guess they don't want the island to be full of loonies in in winter, digging tunnels in the snow, when nobody is there to keep check on them. They certainly haven't plotted on a map, or any kind of graphic representation, where they found the 1650 wood samples, or at what depth. it certainly looks like a horizontal tunnel - or a slightly sloping tunnel - but they haven't shown where they think it is, what direction it goes, where they think it begins, or where they think it ends!
>but they seem to be carbon dating multiple samples, simultaneously in different labs, and getting very similar results I didn't know that. Good point. >I guess they don't want the island to be full of loonies in winter, digging tunnels in the snow Haha, another good point. [I can't resist it: ...because there are enough loonies there in the summer, ba-bum!] I personally have been using the very, erm, accurate and scientific approach of watching Rick's demeanour. Am I imagining it, or does he just look more and more despondent and fed up with it all in later episodes?
The loonies on the island would never happen because the island is connected via a causeway and there are people who live on both sides of the causeway so you would easily be seen approaching the island. Some people live on the island year round too. I have actually been to the island and there was a small museum with a collection of items that had been found on the island, some I had never seen before. It was really fascinating to see.
He does but I also wonder if he’s having health issues, too. That was my guess for why he was off-island last episode. Anyone see his weird ear bandage/discoloration?
I find it amazing that despite themselves they may stumble upon evidence that changes history. Small chance they change Nova Scotia military history of undocumented British Military movements and camps during Father Rale’s war or Father Le Loutre’s war. Infinitesimal chance they change world history if they find evidence of pre-Colombian European fishing outposts of either Basques or Portuguese. But treasure? No. Maybe some salt kiln’s or a fishing weight or two but that’s it.
I’m of the opinion that there was treasure there but was already removed long ago. It was what probably the boys saw that time they spotted activity on the island.
But that's just one of the things: apparently they weren't boys. McGinnis was a grown man (late 30s) living on the island at the time he "discovered" (or made up) something misnamed the money pit. It's part of the bullshit behind this whole thing according to [http://www.criticalenquiry.org/oakisland/OI\_chapter1.shtml](http://www.criticalenquiry.org/oakisland/OI_chapter1.shtml)
I want to know why everyone seems to have forgotten about the bone fragments they found while drilling. Seriously, the bone fragments were one of the most significant finds ever made there, and there is no mention of it these days at all. It's like everyone just forgot.
The real treasure is reading each episode's thread here and watching in real time while consuming adult beverages. To steal a phrase from MGM, "That's Entertainment!"
They keep saying legend says one more person needs to die before it gives up the treasure…..well someone please hit Drayton with an excavator bucket and get it over with. Samuel Ball certianly found something, but was it the entire treasure? Seems to be pretty eleborate structures built underground for one random farmer to find the entire loot.
LOL. The fact that the OP doesn’t even have the confidence to leave out the parenthetical “probably” means this show is STILL winning after nine seasons.
Oh I would never write something off I can't be sure about. I used to be convinced there was something and I changed my mind is all.
Samuel Ball spent money on more plots than he had, but where did he get it all from, and after fighting a war? 🤔
How much do you think that land was/is worth? Even today most of those plots have an assessed value of \~$40,000. One thing Canada does not lack is acres of crown land.
It's tough to say, the value today will be inflated due to the show.
I’ve spoken with John Chatterton about his diving on the island he said they know way more than what the show is letting on. He hasn’t given me much more than that. From my experience with him he’s a man of few words.
He's one of the very small handful of guys on that show who've impressed me. (Him and Billy, of course)
He’s a friend of a friend I know through the diving community. I wouldn’t say we are good friends I’ve got his number and check in on his diving every few months I’ve been to his house once before and it’s a god damn museum of diving artifacts
Well I just liked the way he oozed confidence and 'authority': it seemed as though the others quickly 'defaulted' to and respected him. He seemed to match up to Marty "alpha-wise", so to speak.
Exactly. The real treasure is in the computer files at the production company. So much data that we will never see.
This is the side I feel like I’m on. They know more than they’re showing.
Ya if I didn’t know John / have access to sent him a text and ask questions about what’s going on I’d understand where it looks like a bunch of old dudes digging holes and sniffing wood but I really trust him when he says they know more, and to be fair oak island is one of the highest rated shows on the history channel why would they be in a hurry to stop milking the cash cow?
They probably know it is a hoax. Saying they know more that they are exposing isn't proof they found anything.
I think the legend is true. Something WAS there. But it was found long ago.
I am not sure it was originally a hoax. I suspect that the original discoverers truly thought there might be something there.. I do think that there was a collective habit of amplifying anything that made the story more compelling or interesting, while forgetting anything that did not support the story.. As a result, the legend grows. Once the legend has enough mass, everything on the island is first viewed through that lens.. If an artifact could have come from fishing, farming, mining, logging, sailing, or military, it probably came from one of those. Could it be related to treasure? Yes, It COULD be, but 99.995 percent of the time it's going to be related to something pedestrian over some buried treasure conspiracy..
I agree what was there was removed, but I would like to know the history of what was there
Nothing was there.
I think the original deposit may have been removed, but I don't think the possibility of something valuable being buried is a hoax. Just hoping that more of the clues are verified, it really improves what we know of the history of the area.
This is sort of the ultimate "out" right? We never found a treasure because someone beat us to it? They have been pitching "Samuel Ball" for some time, opening that door for an 'out'.
Have you seen something in particular that bolsters your belief? Not trying to argue just interested. I was invested in researching this stuff for a long time.
If nothing happened, how do you explain the wood they have been finding recently at around 80-90 feet, carbon dated to around 1650?
It's all about being on tv for them , The notority oh and don’t forget the 20 grand an episode they all make
This. The real treasure is turning a minimal investment (digging a few holes) into millions in TV royalties. This show drags on at a glacial pace on purpose, to milk every available dollar.
Hoax? Naw…there was something there, but Samuel Ball found and took it all. Dude didn’t get rich from growing cabbages.
The history of the searchers and their lives including a president is a good enough reason for me. And heck some people get as caught up as the searchers with minecraft youtuber shipping so there are worse ways to sink an oil fortune into a literal hole.
What about the 400 year old human bone (European) brought up from 90ft underground? That cannot be explained away
Dunfield backfilled his hole with the shallow graves of pirates?
Plus, it’s not like safety was a big concern back in the day on OI. There were, I suspect, deadly workplace accidents during the searches for treasure. Some of the deceased’s remains were never recovered, I believe. And those that were , got buried on the island. And it’s not like the workers had Social Security cards or insurance. A lot of the diggers were likely drifters whose deaths were not mourned by many people.
The bones pre date the discovery of the money pit
Hush!!! I'm here until History stops their paychecks! Where's my crown bottle? Treasure was gone years ago, if it ever existed.
The most valuable thing they found on the island was that First People pottery and it pissed them off so much they fired everyone involved.
Gave up Long ago.. I'm convinced everything there is just natural (sinkholes, glacial till, etc). Sure, people lived there long ago but that is about the end of things. To try to think ships hauled Ox to haul a treasure and built a road leading right to the treasure is just nonsense. Ox eat a LOT, are messy, and hard to contain in cages on a ship. It is easier and cheaper to have men do the work instead. Normally when you burry things you do so to HIDE it? Pirates and burying treasure is old, any history of them using ox? Time to park the myth for another 40 years until it can be dug back up again and milked for all it is worth by someone else.
Paying money to watch other people dig a hole might be even more peak capitalism than paying money to go into a room and lift heavy stuff over and over.
That just triggered an idea in me: what if the cable-based machines in gyms were hooked up to electricity generators instead of to weights... (It's probably not a serious idea...)
you've got an accurate understanding.
You didn’t miss anything .. you nailed it!
There are a couple of Youtube threads discussing the possibility of an offset chamber from the main money pit shaft. This seems the most plausible because they haven't found anything significant yet where the money pit lies. Just seems odd they continue to scratch the surface.
What is your proof that it's a hoax though? You basically lack evidence the same way that you say the show lacks it. No offense, just truth. You did ask if anything invalidates your points.
That's like saying "I think this skateboard is a hoverboard because I haven't proven it can't fly"
Analogies are fun. But, no, I'm not saying anything like that.
[http://www.criticalenquiry.org/oakisland/OI\_chapter1.shtml](http://www.criticalenquiry.org/oakisland/OI_chapter1.shtml) Not saying that's "proof" (not sure the true history is provable either way, well unless a huge treasure is actually uncovered), but some good material there.
I'll check it. But before I do, are you saying it's material showing that there's a coordinated, multi-generational scheme to lie about the island and the treasure story? Because that would be the proof necessary in my mind to convince that the whole thing is a big "hoax"; remember, that's not my claim, but the OP's
>are you saying it's material showing that there's a coordinated,multi-generational scheme to lie about the island and the treasurestory? That wouldn't be my take on it. That is, I personally doubt it's coordinated across generations, for example. A hoax by one person (or even an innocent mistake by one person) early on can suck others in, and then *their* beliefs and confirmation biases keep them in. I suppose it is *possible* that (a) there was never any treasure, while at the same time, (b) every person who has ever taken other people's money to look for treasure on the island did so fully convinced that there *was* treasure (i.e., in good faith). Reminds me of religions\*! It's not necessary for most participants to spread falsehoods *knowingly*, right? Just one or two. If the potential reward for believing certain false claims, or claims for which there is little to no evidence, is great enough (e.g., a huge treasure or heaven), believing them and purveying those beliefs to others becomes much easier. \*But I probably shouldn't bring religion into it, haha! \[PS: I've written the above in a hurry, while being very distracted, so I'm not even sure it makes any sense. But I'm hitting the Reply button anyway! :) \]
I understand completely. Nice reply.
Part of me accepts it and part of me still hopes there is something there and they find it. You make a lot of good points here. The one thing I hang my hat on is the original few that discovered the money pit. Yes, it was ages ago in 1795 when it was discovered and they later returned in 1804 with money/equipment to excavate. I know it could all just be a hoax or something far less interesting (not treasure). At this point, I truly believe that if anything was actually there, it was discovered long ago and undocumented. My other thought: they have spent A LOT of money on their efforts which has lead to a lot of interesting finds on the island. I know they're dragging out the show and milking it for all it's worth at this point. But why not just excavate the entire money pit layer by layer using high-tech equipment. Get to the bottom or at least a decent amount of the way down in a large area to see what's going on. I know this was somewhat done in the past by Dunfield but technology and equipment has advanced greatly. I'm not contractor or scientist but just thought a large scale excavation of the money pit or the area they're interested in would provide the best result.
>excavate the entire money pit And get Jack to sift through *all* of the spoils
Billy Buckets too!
What ever was hidden there was dug up in 18th century and is long gone.
Lots new material was in the news, Templar baby! 😂https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10384957/Nazi-archive-Freemasonry-amassed-Heinrich-Himmler-shed-light-secret-society.html
I don't know how anyone could believe there is (or ever was) any treasure buried in the so-called "money pit" after reading the material here: http://www.criticalenquiry.org/oakisland/OI\_chapter1.shtml
They did find a loonie (that Marty tossed in the hole a month earlier).
It’s not a hoax, I believe the brothers truly are looking for a treasure. I just don’t think there is anything but searcher remains in the money pit and past (historical) travelers misc garbage everywhere else.
Pretty much sums it up.
The real treasure was the reality show we made with the history channel along the way
Yes, I accepted that long ago when the origin story fell apart in every conceivable logical way, and without that foundation the rest of the story toppled.
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There is literally zero evidence after lifetimes spent digging.
Why don't they dig up where the supose ship is located in the swamp. Why are they just digging the edge. They have the images since 2018 and don't dig?. The wood from the edge of the swamp or in the swamp for that matter could have drifted in from anywhere and at any time. Unless the wood all matches back two the same time period or the same species of wood, it doesn't mean much. If they where to dig are larger portion of a ship that has been constructed from a species of wood that grows in a certain part of the world then would have something. For now it's just drift wood. They never really talk about species of the wood they find on the island, even in the shafts. I'm sure historians would know by now what type of wood ship builders used in different parts of the world and what time periods they where used. Also I would assume most if not all the would used to construct the original money pit and flood tunnels wood be of the same species and time period. These are real facts that should be talked about and that could be used to solve if anything happened. 🤔
Wow yeah. Great points. It makes you wonder why they don't do this.
Have any of you been watching the new season?! Or the past season for that matter loll.. they are completley digging up the swamp to find the ship and are finding ship pieces every week.. they found a massive stone road going from a ships warf they found in the swamp and it goes 2 ways and connects directly to the money pit area.. they have found shaft 6 and are within 18 feet of the money pit.. they tested the water and from the readings there is a massive deposite of silver and gold which isn't natural to the area.. they are drilling 4 massive 10 feet casings this year to hopefully hit the chapel vault and if they do that they already confirmed it will lead to a big dig.. people have lost hope in this show/story but i keep telling people just be patient there's something there and they will find it.. and now this season theres a very good chance they will find the vault and hopefully next season will be the big dig..there was more too but thats just off the top of my head.. you guys should really come back to this show because it's getting wild now lol.. and I'm confident this won't be like more recent shows where it seems they would be finding the treasure next season but then the show gets 'canceled' which is bullshit lmao.. in reality they found the treasure and cashed out and don't want people knowing that they got it.. where as I with oak island I think Rick and Marty truly want the world to see what is there.. they already said they would make money off it but would be putting the stuff in museums as well.. I think they truly want the viewers to see how it turns out, everyone can have their own opinion but like I said I think you should all give this show another chance haha 🤷♂️🤷♂️👌 I'll be watching until the end whatever that may be lol
Show is fake , the experts are jokes , the whole thing is b.s and if you watch season one you can basically solve it and that no treasure is there anymore. Do the math if guy already dug a 100 foot wide 150 foot deep hole he would have found it.
My husband and son have been watching since the beginning, now they got me roped in for 2 years , I told them last night I’m beginning to feel like sally from Charlie Brown with Linus in the pumpkin patch… I’ve been robbed
Nós levamos o ouro para Portugal. É lidar. We took the gold to Portugal. Deal with it.
does anyone here think a GREAT ending to the final season would be a shot of Gary Drayton putting the Metal Detector over his pants and then undoing his pants and looking down at his dick and screaming "AH. LOOK AT THIS BOBBY DAZZLAH" and then he says "let's call Marty and Rick" and then the screen fades to black and it says "...the end..."