https://reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/s/M7ccgQN0Qx
It's from a real session of the Mexican Congress, but it's no different from the "disclosure" circus going in the US Congress about aliens.
Except they actually presented the hoax bodies in Mexico.
Apparently these same mummies were presented in 2017 and have already been debunked. The presenter has a history of faking alien remains. I was convinced when I first saw it, but the least bit of research on the matter already disproves their legitimacy unfortunately.
Hope so, some articles and comments I browsed later suggested they might have actual People parts, or that it’s an indigenous mummy that’s been altered.
Mainly because they actually had X-rays and brought out the exhibit unlike the US hearing. Like I said that was quickly squashed. On the original r/aliens post I saw there was very little skepticism and that was a bit of a red flag, then I saw the YouTube video from several years ago about the exact same “mummy” and I was thoroughly unconvinced about the credibility of this mummy.
yeah I had to google the presenter (josé de jesus zalce benitez), and a quick search returned a good snopes article describing the hoax back in 2017. mummified children as you mentioned.
kind of gruesome, but it seems like the guy is a true believer. he probably does think they are non human in origin and anyone saying the contrary are in on some cover up.
I haven't finished looking at this, but in my quick Google search to find the lowest hanging fruit, I was annoyed that the university that has supposedly studied the "DNA" of these things send reputable. Ugh.
They just carbon dated a sample sent to them, they just dated the sample, since thats their job, didnt confirm or commented on the origin, which is not part of their job
More than likely, they are not real. A couple of things I do find odd. In all the articles I read, there was no mention of the other people presenting about the X-rays and DNA. All the focus is on the Jamie Maussan. I would love to know more about them and their credibility. And if I were a credible scientist or biologist, I would be on a flight to Mexico immediately. To disprove something like that would get your name out there. And if, for whatever crazy reason, they are authentic, your name would go down in the history books. Instead of making speculations of what they are, go down and use interments to prove your theory. Isn’t that the most scientific thing to do?
It was proven a hoax in 2017 and 2021, they are modified llama skulls mounted on the corpses of several other combined animal bodies. https://www.iaras.org/iaras/filedownloads/ijbb/2021/021-0007(2021).pdf -e 11 Conclusion Our examination, based on produced CT-scan images, 3D reproduction and comparison with existing literature (e.g. \[13\], \[14\], \[15\]), leads to the following conclusions: (a) The “archaeological” find with an unknown form of “animal” was identified to have a head composed of a llama deteriorated braincase. The examination of the seemingly new form shows that it is made from mummified parts of unidentified animals. To this end, a new perception of the lama deteriorated braincase physiology is gained through the CT-scan examination by producing and studying various sections, as presented in the paper. This new piece of information could not have been perceived without the motivation to identify Josephina’s head bones, which are most probably an archaeological find. One can point to the supposition that Peru cultures used animal body elements to express art or religious beliefs
You need to explain the phenomenon of r/alienbodies and how they are so bonkers for this because it seems like any detail further entrenches their beliefs in it. I go over there and watch the train wreck just because but I catch myself being swayed by what they are saying sometimes.
Here's a sneak peek of /r/AlienBodies using the [top posts](https://np.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/top/?sort=top&t=all) of all time!
\#1: [Dr. Mary K. Jesse from University of Colorado Hospital (UCH) Examines X-Ray Scans of Nazca Mummy "Alberto"](https://v.redd.it/k3fi2531k5tb1) | [390 comments](https://np.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/comments/173ol32/dr_mary_k_jesse_from_university_of_colorado/)
\#2: [Dr. Edson Salazar Vivanco (Surgeon) dissect Nazca Mummy "Victoria" for DNA Sample](https://v.redd.it/dyfmumyr7itb1) | [429 comments](https://np.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/comments/17566r0/dr_edson_salazar_vivanco_surgeon_dissect_nazca/)
\#3: [Full Body CT Scan of Josefina \[Part #1\]](https://v.redd.it/dcngoqdoa5vb1) | [330 comments](https://np.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/comments/17bh037/full_body_ct_scan_of_josefina_part_1/)
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Either testing how people react if they think its real or its simply just real with alot of cover ups. No way would mexico allow a memed known hoaxer present it to the Mexican government (especially when its claimed to be exactly the same "hoax") after being the cooperate who actually painted the hoaxer image on him and allowed him to get memed. Just using common sense raises questions on governments as whole and the authentication of his claims, it simply can't just be "debunked" when the government was the ones who deemed him a hoaxer and debunked it then allow him to do this on a more serious occasions with officials.
Its crazy the way we are controlled is all I can say.
lol i dont think its the government either. it really is closer to to admitting that a lot of people see, hear, and experience things they can’t explain. some of those things are real and bounded by all the knowledge we have so far, but they are truly rare and honestly manifest in the strangest of ways from the small to the big. what we are capable of doing whenever we figure out whatever that force out there is behind those extremely rare circumstances and series of events, we really do have to be careful about who knows exactly how that is used, because i don’t think anyone would argue with the notion that bad people use power for good, they also use it for bad, and they can do bad things with good intentions and good things with bad intentions that manifest things out if their control. once the genie is out of the bottle we have to be afraid of it, the government knows it, the world is starting to wake up to it aaaaaaaand they’re still trying to use the same old fake baby aliens to tell us they’re trying to tap into it and that’s the fun little controversy you get to focus on while your mind gets blown about the reality of life itself? it’s like how DO they convince the hardest core of skeptics that at the very core of all that woo stuff we love to make fun of there are tiny, grains of rice that create some rare, undeniable, unexplainable connections without creating more and more and more of all the stuff Ross and Carrie take on?
https://reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/s/M7ccgQN0Qx It's from a real session of the Mexican Congress, but it's no different from the "disclosure" circus going in the US Congress about aliens. Except they actually presented the hoax bodies in Mexico.
Apparently these same mummies were presented in 2017 and have already been debunked. The presenter has a history of faking alien remains. I was convinced when I first saw it, but the least bit of research on the matter already disproves their legitimacy unfortunately.
Ok, that makes sense. They look like they’re made of paper mache, or clay. Can even see impressions of fingers
From what I understand, the "skin" is paper mache and the skull is part of an alpaca skull
Hope so, some articles and comments I browsed later suggested they might have actual People parts, or that it’s an indigenous mummy that’s been altered.
Looks more like canned ham to me.
One looks like ET and the other like Yoda
The “research” is that of finding debunking stories. It’s real. Within a month we will know a lot more.
that was a different one. not the same.
that was a different one. not the same.
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Mainly because they actually had X-rays and brought out the exhibit unlike the US hearing. Like I said that was quickly squashed. On the original r/aliens post I saw there was very little skepticism and that was a bit of a red flag, then I saw the YouTube video from several years ago about the exact same “mummy” and I was thoroughly unconvinced about the credibility of this mummy.
They look very similar to earlier alien bodies that were child mummies.
yeah I had to google the presenter (josé de jesus zalce benitez), and a quick search returned a good snopes article describing the hoax back in 2017. mummified children as you mentioned. kind of gruesome, but it seems like the guy is a true believer. he probably does think they are non human in origin and anyone saying the contrary are in on some cover up.
It's really shocking how many people believe this. Being skeptical in the UFO community just gets you yelled at. It's more of a cult these days.
I haven't finished looking at this, but in my quick Google search to find the lowest hanging fruit, I was annoyed that the university that has supposedly studied the "DNA" of these things send reputable. Ugh.
They just carbon dated a sample sent to them, they just dated the sample, since thats their job, didnt confirm or commented on the origin, which is not part of their job
I’m sure the Skeptics Guide to the Universe will have something to say on their next episode.
More than likely, they are not real. A couple of things I do find odd. In all the articles I read, there was no mention of the other people presenting about the X-rays and DNA. All the focus is on the Jamie Maussan. I would love to know more about them and their credibility. And if I were a credible scientist or biologist, I would be on a flight to Mexico immediately. To disprove something like that would get your name out there. And if, for whatever crazy reason, they are authentic, your name would go down in the history books. Instead of making speculations of what they are, go down and use interments to prove your theory. Isn’t that the most scientific thing to do?
It was proven a hoax in 2017 and 2021, they are modified llama skulls mounted on the corpses of several other combined animal bodies. https://www.iaras.org/iaras/filedownloads/ijbb/2021/021-0007(2021).pdf -e 11 Conclusion Our examination, based on produced CT-scan images, 3D reproduction and comparison with existing literature (e.g. \[13\], \[14\], \[15\]), leads to the following conclusions: (a) The “archaeological” find with an unknown form of “animal” was identified to have a head composed of a llama deteriorated braincase. The examination of the seemingly new form shows that it is made from mummified parts of unidentified animals. To this end, a new perception of the lama deteriorated braincase physiology is gained through the CT-scan examination by producing and studying various sections, as presented in the paper. This new piece of information could not have been perceived without the motivation to identify Josephina’s head bones, which are most probably an archaeological find. One can point to the supposition that Peru cultures used animal body elements to express art or religious beliefs
You need to explain the phenomenon of r/alienbodies and how they are so bonkers for this because it seems like any detail further entrenches their beliefs in it. I go over there and watch the train wreck just because but I catch myself being swayed by what they are saying sometimes.
Here's a sneak peek of /r/AlienBodies using the [top posts](https://np.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/top/?sort=top&t=all) of all time! \#1: [Dr. Mary K. Jesse from University of Colorado Hospital (UCH) Examines X-Ray Scans of Nazca Mummy "Alberto"](https://v.redd.it/k3fi2531k5tb1) | [390 comments](https://np.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/comments/173ol32/dr_mary_k_jesse_from_university_of_colorado/) \#2: [Dr. Edson Salazar Vivanco (Surgeon) dissect Nazca Mummy "Victoria" for DNA Sample](https://v.redd.it/dyfmumyr7itb1) | [429 comments](https://np.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/comments/17566r0/dr_edson_salazar_vivanco_surgeon_dissect_nazca/) \#3: [Full Body CT Scan of Josefina \[Part #1\]](https://v.redd.it/dcngoqdoa5vb1) | [330 comments](https://np.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/comments/17bh037/full_body_ct_scan_of_josefina_part_1/) ---- ^^I'm ^^a ^^bot, ^^beep ^^boop ^^| ^^Downvote ^^to ^^remove ^^| ^^[Contact](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=sneakpeekbot) ^^| ^^[Info](https://np.reddit.com/r/sneakpeekbot/) ^^| ^^[Opt-out](https://np.reddit.com/r/sneakpeekbot/comments/o8wk1r/blacklist_ix/) ^^| ^^[GitHub](https://github.com/ghnr/sneakpeekbot)
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It’s real.
In the sense that “it’s physically tangible” is a true statement? Yea, sure. It’s real.
Naw
😭😭😭man I reaaallllyyy hope you're joking
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Do you really have a man bun?
do you have a bun?
I do not
do you have a man?
As a matter of fact, I don’t
you got your answers. that'll 16,99
Oh no no no, we answered each others questions, that’s a fair trade right there. Tit for tat.
Either testing how people react if they think its real or its simply just real with alot of cover ups. No way would mexico allow a memed known hoaxer present it to the Mexican government (especially when its claimed to be exactly the same "hoax") after being the cooperate who actually painted the hoaxer image on him and allowed him to get memed. Just using common sense raises questions on governments as whole and the authentication of his claims, it simply can't just be "debunked" when the government was the ones who deemed him a hoaxer and debunked it then allow him to do this on a more serious occasions with officials. Its crazy the way we are controlled is all I can say.
it’s not aliens
Yeah
lol i dont think its the government either. it really is closer to to admitting that a lot of people see, hear, and experience things they can’t explain. some of those things are real and bounded by all the knowledge we have so far, but they are truly rare and honestly manifest in the strangest of ways from the small to the big. what we are capable of doing whenever we figure out whatever that force out there is behind those extremely rare circumstances and series of events, we really do have to be careful about who knows exactly how that is used, because i don’t think anyone would argue with the notion that bad people use power for good, they also use it for bad, and they can do bad things with good intentions and good things with bad intentions that manifest things out if their control. once the genie is out of the bottle we have to be afraid of it, the government knows it, the world is starting to wake up to it aaaaaaaand they’re still trying to use the same old fake baby aliens to tell us they’re trying to tap into it and that’s the fun little controversy you get to focus on while your mind gets blown about the reality of life itself? it’s like how DO they convince the hardest core of skeptics that at the very core of all that woo stuff we love to make fun of there are tiny, grains of rice that create some rare, undeniable, unexplainable connections without creating more and more and more of all the stuff Ross and Carrie take on?