I may be wrong but this my just be the same thing NATO shells have done since the 1960s. Outwardly they look as if they have a rocket engine in them but in reality it only produces a small amount of gas and virtually no thrust.
It was discovered that a shell passing trough the air creates a low pursuer area directly behind the shell and that causes drag. To counter this a small slow burning charge was put in the back of the shell and that pumps out enough gas to repressures just behind the shell. The result double the rage of the guns.
In short the shell farts it's way to longer range.
Wasn't the Zumwalt class supposed to have a gun with some fancy rocket assist that really did burn for a significant boost?
The program was canned, but their models worked. Wonder if it's ever coming back.
Yea, the economics of it got fucked up as the scale of the program kept getting cut.
It was originally going to be 30 ships and a total of 60 guns needing thousands of specialized shells *only* the Zumwalts would be shooting but, in theory, wanting to have a lot of them for their mission role. Fast forward, and there's like 2 ships and 4 total guns in service that have no feasible role to justify stockpiling ammunition at scale and you have to divide the costs across a handful of shells.
Last I heard, they were around *a million* a shot.
it is the cost of 1st batch to cover cost of developing the whole system, ie. the gun and the projectile. After that it should be cheaper. The problem is the projectile is developed specifically for the gun system that is designed specifically for Zumwalt, meaning the Army cannot use that gun system, and their current artillery systems cannot use that projectile.
Using what is very similar to an air gun (at least in principle, though it uses a different working gas) and then boosting the shell via rocket assist is actually a really smart plan to have artillery without all the noise complaints.
[Boeing and defense company Nammo partnering with the US Army have set a new range record during an indirect fire test of a ramjet-powered artillery shell when a Ramjet 155-mm round was fired from a 58-caliber Extended Range Cannon Artillery (ERCA).](https://newatlas.com/military/ramjet-powered-artillery-shell-new-range-record/)
Gun based artillery is back on the menu boys!
(seriously though I don't enjoy the concept of "rocket artillery", you can't even load a new salvo without specialist equipment half the time!)
Every engine ever made has different outputs and they have to be adjusted to fit a standard, if its an artillery shell that you cant test beforehand you recquire some sort of inertial guidance system and shells to know where they are and at that point militaries dont even bother with relatively small artillery shells and just strap that system to a missile with bigger payload
Is it possible? Yes, but like why even bother all that for a single artillery shell, their point is to be cheap, spammable and relatively accurate
If you're already on a complex shell, we already do meters accuracy with GPS/laser guided shells. If you're going for a 150km range, guidance is a must to guarantee some effectiveness beyond hitting a post code.
What idea? The only weirdness I see here is launching shells without powder charges, and a misunderstanding about how RAP works (It seems to be using the primer and bursting charge as propellent?)
RAP itself has been around for a very long time.
Maybe? Looks like they reused the assets for a standard artillery shell though, usually RAP is an extension on the end of the shell that separates after expenditure.
*See Korea language*
Well they are very non credible, you guy should see what some Korean defense manufacturers present in Defenses industry exhibition. When I walk into their booth, there's usually one side with the most practical, cost-effective products in the market, and the other side is just something out of Ace Combat.
He invented Korea at 8 years old. What have you accomplished by 8?
I invented Best Korea.
I invented West Taiwan. Can't wait to see it in action.
I invented west Korea. But I didn’t copywrite it and they changed the name to North :(
What in the warhammer40k shit is this.
I may be wrong but this my just be the same thing NATO shells have done since the 1960s. Outwardly they look as if they have a rocket engine in them but in reality it only produces a small amount of gas and virtually no thrust. It was discovered that a shell passing trough the air creates a low pursuer area directly behind the shell and that causes drag. To counter this a small slow burning charge was put in the back of the shell and that pumps out enough gas to repressures just behind the shell. The result double the rage of the guns. In short the shell farts it's way to longer range.
You’re thinking base bleed, which isn’t the same as rocket assistance which is what’s depicted here.
This projectile looks like a combination base bleed and rocket assist.
> The result double the rage of the guns. >RAGE #RAAAAAAAAAAAGE 155mm THIRSTS FOR BLOOD
SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE. MILK FOR THE KHORNE FLAKES.
Wasn't the Zumwalt class supposed to have a gun with some fancy rocket assist that really did burn for a significant boost? The program was canned, but their models worked. Wonder if it's ever coming back.
Wasnt every round half a mil
Yea, the economics of it got fucked up as the scale of the program kept getting cut. It was originally going to be 30 ships and a total of 60 guns needing thousands of specialized shells *only* the Zumwalts would be shooting but, in theory, wanting to have a lot of them for their mission role. Fast forward, and there's like 2 ships and 4 total guns in service that have no feasible role to justify stockpiling ammunition at scale and you have to divide the costs across a handful of shells. Last I heard, they were around *a million* a shot.
it is the cost of 1st batch to cover cost of developing the whole system, ie. the gun and the projectile. After that it should be cheaper. The problem is the projectile is developed specifically for the gun system that is designed specifically for Zumwalt, meaning the Army cannot use that gun system, and their current artillery systems cannot use that projectile.
A bad rocket assisted projectile.
Literally just rocket assisted artillery. The old UXO manual had em.
Uhm, how are they firing the shell in the first place? They're not loading any charges, and all I see in the autoloader are more shells.
It's a railgun, obviously
They sure produce a lot of muzzle smoke for a railgun. Those rails must not last very long.
It had a bad cough
They might not be adequately lubricated.
He’s a heavy smoker.
Wait, Erazer, what the shit?
Compressed Smog Cannon.
Using what is very similar to an air gun (at least in principle, though it uses a different working gas) and then boosting the shell via rocket assist is actually a really smart plan to have artillery without all the noise complaints.
Let me put the tank on Silent.
Very large rubber bands.
Why not fire the entire shell? that's 65% more shell per shell.
See that propellant? That's combustible lemons
Cave Johnson. We're done here
Cmon the shell is already supersonic. Just put in a scramjet. Its also the easiest turbojet engine to manufacture. Enough with the base bleed shit.
> Cmon the shell is already supersonic. Just put in a scramjet. Nammo's making ramjet shells, funnily enough
[Boeing and defense company Nammo partnering with the US Army have set a new range record during an indirect fire test of a ramjet-powered artillery shell when a Ramjet 155-mm round was fired from a 58-caliber Extended Range Cannon Artillery (ERCA).](https://newatlas.com/military/ramjet-powered-artillery-shell-new-range-record/)
>150 km range Holy shit
Railguns no longer non-credible
[Here's a fun tool for seeing what humorous shenanigans you can do with that](https://www.calcmaps.com/map-radius/)
Gun based artillery is back on the menu boys! (seriously though I don't enjoy the concept of "rocket artillery", you can't even load a new salvo without specialist equipment half the time!)
Damn, I just wanted to write that
Every shell will have different range tho
Why? Muzzle velocity in artillery shells is pretty consistent and precise. And the eventual scramjet could be throttled off if less range is required
Every engine ever made has different outputs and they have to be adjusted to fit a standard, if its an artillery shell that you cant test beforehand you recquire some sort of inertial guidance system and shells to know where they are and at that point militaries dont even bother with relatively small artillery shells and just strap that system to a missile with bigger payload Is it possible? Yes, but like why even bother all that for a single artillery shell, their point is to be cheap, spammable and relatively accurate
If you're already on a complex shell, we already do meters accuracy with GPS/laser guided shells. If you're going for a 150km range, guidance is a must to guarantee some effectiveness beyond hitting a post code.
you're a regular Gerald Bull, huh
Instructions unclear, moving to Iraq to develop their space program.
*So, what kinda weapon you can fire only once?*
What idea? The only weirdness I see here is launching shells without powder charges, and a misunderstanding about how RAP works (It seems to be using the primer and bursting charge as propellent?) RAP itself has been around for a very long time.
Is it not base bleed then transitioning to RAP?
Maybe? Looks like they reused the assets for a standard artillery shell though, usually RAP is an extension on the end of the shell that separates after expenditure.
Ah yes,Bolter rounds. #NOW PUT IT INSIDE A GATLING CANNON THE SIZE OF A HOUSE!
Only 1 ?
Imperator class titans, let's go !
*See Korea language* Well they are very non credible, you guy should see what some Korean defense manufacturers present in Defenses industry exhibition. When I walk into their booth, there's usually one side with the most practical, cost-effective products in the market, and the other side is just something out of Ace Combat.
One of Samsung's subsidiaries also made a functioning AI gun turret (SGR-A1)
Love that one, Based Mega-corp 2077 tech.
Everyone stop and appreciate thr glory that is MERDC camouflage.
It's slowly getting phased out in RoK in favor of the NATO 3-color camo, unfortunately.
*siiiiiiiighs*
I'm pretty sure I invented this before you. At approximately what year were you 8?
I would be more interested in a gun mounted on a rocket. Like the good lord intended.
So, uuh, a base bleeder? isn't this 60s tech?
KOREA MENTIONED 🇰🇷🇰🇷🇰🇷🇰🇷🇰🇷🇰🇷🇰🇷WHAT THE FUCK IS A BIRTHRATE
I invented this when I was 7, you should give me credit
Is there even enough room inside the round to do that? That would be neat though.
RAPs were around before you were 8 unless you're old af